From mattchao at verizon.net Sat Oct 1 15:07:43 2011 From: mattchao at verizon.net (Matthew Chao) Date: Sat, 01 Oct 2011 10:07:43 -0400 Subject: Upgrading Fusion Under Lion Message-ID: <0LSE00BVN4KXK6W0@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net> Hi, Folks. I'm sorry if this has already been covered, but I haven't had a chance to upgrade Fusion to Version 4 under Lion. Anyway, when I mounted the unew Fusion, it said to double-click to upgrade from version 3. How do I do that? I tried hitting enter, vo-space, Quicknav for enter, but no luck. What do I need to do to get this right? Thanks in advance. Matthew Chao From will.d.lomas at gmail.com Sat Oct 1 15:14:31 2011 From: will.d.lomas at gmail.com (william lomas) Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2011 15:14:31 +0100 Subject: Upgrading Fusion Under Lion In-Reply-To: <0LSE00BVN4KXK6W0@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net> References: <0LSE00BVN4KXK6W0@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <5936FE8B-B750-4C2B-9D9F-91DB8398FC8B@gmail.com> i just did VO space and command tab to it On Oct 1, 2011, at 3:07 PM, Matthew Chao wrote: > Hi, Folks. I'm sorry if this has already been covered, but I haven't had a chance to upgrade Fusion to Version 4 under Lion. > > Anyway, when I mounted the unew Fusion, it said to double-click to upgrade from version 3. How do I do that? I tried hitting enter, vo-space, Quicknav for enter, but no luck. What do I need to do to get this right? Thanks in advance. > > Matthew Chao > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From mattchao at verizon.net Sat Oct 1 16:43:03 2011 From: mattchao at verizon.net (Matthew Chao) Date: Sat, 01 Oct 2011 11:43:03 -0400 Subject: Upgrading Fusion Under Lion In-Reply-To: <5936FE8B-B750-4C2B-9D9F-91DB8398FC8B@gmail.com> References: <0LSE00BVN4KXK6W0@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net> <5936FE8B-B750-4C2B-9D9F-91DB8398FC8B@gmail.com> Message-ID: <0LSE00FGE8ZTPVT1@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> Hello. Am still having trouble. Perhaps I'm missing something: 1. I went to the downloads folder. 2. found the dmg file for Fusion. 3. Went to File Menu and specified mount disk. 4. Went into the mounted disk and went through the steps to upgrade. Nothing happening? What am I missing? I'm frustrated. Matthew Chao At 10:14 AM 10/1/2011, you wrote: >i just did VO space and command tab to it > >On Oct 1, 2011, at 3:07 PM, Matthew Chao wrote: > > > Hi, Folks. I'm sorry if this has already been covered, but I > haven't had a chance to upgrade Fusion to Version 4 under Lion. > > > > Anyway, when I mounted the unew Fusion, it said to double-click > to upgrade from version 3. How do I do that? I tried hitting > enter, vo-space, Quicknav for enter, but no luck. What do I need > to do to get this right? Thanks in advance. > > > > Matthew Chao > > > > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > > > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the > Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > > > or at the public Mail Archive: > > . > > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, > Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by > visiting the list website at: > > > ><--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > >To reply to this post, please address your message to >mac-access at mac-access.net > >You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access >forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > >or at the public Mail Archive: >. >Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > >The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, >virus and worm-free! > >Please remember to update your membership options periodically by >visiting the list website at: > From mmaslo1964 at swbell.net Sat Oct 1 17:16:11 2011 From: mmaslo1964 at swbell.net (michael maslo) Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2011 11:16:11 -0500 Subject: Garage Band & voice over Message-ID: <8B5F5EA8-BC82-40AB-8808-B80EB4B122F5@swbell.net> Hi list: I was wondering how many of the features with garage band are accessible with voice over? I am trying to use the magic garage band I believe it is called and was wondering how much of that is accessible as rest as the rest of the program. I do not have any instruments so I was going to use the software based instruments. Any helpful hints or such would be greatly appreciated. Sincerely, Mike From marrie12 at gmail.com Sat Oct 1 17:54:57 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2011 09:54:57 -0700 Subject: Garage Band & voice over In-Reply-To: <8B5F5EA8-BC82-40AB-8808-B80EB4B122F5@swbell.net> References: <8B5F5EA8-BC82-40AB-8808-B80EB4B122F5@swbell.net> Message-ID: <0E07897E-AB53-4C62-B3B3-543745B4A392@gmail.com> Most of it is except for the automation curves. I contacted apple about that but all in all it is very accessibil. I'm using it now to work on a part of my new album. Take care. On Oct 1, 2011, at 9:16 AM, michael maslo wrote: > Hi list: > > I was wondering how many of the features with garage band are accessible with voice over? > > I am trying to use the magic garage band I believe it is called and was wondering how much of that is accessible as rest as the rest of the program. > > I do not have any instruments so I was going to use the software based instruments. > > Any helpful hints or such would be greatly appreciated. > > Sincerely, > > Mike > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From mmaslo1964 at swbell.net Sat Oct 1 17:43:03 2011 From: mmaslo1964 at swbell.net (michael maslo) Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2011 11:43:03 -0500 Subject: hot spot help Message-ID: Hi list: I am trying to use hot spot with voice over. I am having trouble. I set it up and then i try to move or activate that hot spot but when I do it does not move me to the window as I was told it would. I hit control option shift and number to set it up. then hit option control and that number after I leave that program and it does nothing. I hit the keystroke twice to see the hotspots I have set up and they say inactive. I put or monitor them also and they do not work. What am I doing wrong? Any help would be appreciated. I do not understand what I can be doing wrong. I am setting it up right for it shows up but why is it not launching that program I set it up in? From james.austin at mac-access.net Sat Oct 1 19:04:56 2011 From: james.austin at mac-access.net (James AUSTIN) Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2011 19:04:56 +0100 Subject: Defining headers and footers in Pages using Tab stops Message-ID: <640F2648-1C80-4232-9647-25F56BC664CB@mac-access.net> Evening folks, I've got a project for which i need to define different headers and footers. Unfortunately, it seems that VO is not really capable of doing this right now, without some fiddling around, so here's what I've done so far. I've made sure that different headers and footers are chosen for the left and right pages. I've also made sure that the checkbox for using previous headers and footers is unchecked. To create different headers, I've been using section breaks, which seems to work, but despite this, I'm still having problems. Any help that anyone can provide would be great. For the moment, because this needs to be done, I am using LaTEX, but I really would like to know how to get this done in Pages 09 as well. Thank you Best James From juanitatighan at gmail.com Sat Oct 1 19:40:28 2011 From: juanitatighan at gmail.com (Jane) Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2011 14:40:28 -0400 Subject: Booksense and MacBook Pro Message-ID: <93E698BA-0FAC-4F19-8477-A7F814BC62EE@gmail.com> I've gotten the BookSense to connect to the MacBook via USB, but the only way I can make it appear on the desktop is by doing a search for it after hitting command-shift-h. Is there a way to force it to show up on the desktop like the hard drive does or like other DVDs do? Jane From n0oxy at charter.net Sat Oct 1 19:45:23 2011 From: n0oxy at charter.net (Mike Arrigo) Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2011 13:45:23 -0500 Subject: Booksense and MacBook Pro In-Reply-To: <93E698BA-0FAC-4F19-8477-A7F814BC62EE@gmail.com> References: <93E698BA-0FAC-4F19-8477-A7F814BC62EE@gmail.com> Message-ID: Yes, give this a try. On the desktop, press command comma to open the finder preferences. In the tool bar, click the general option if this is not already selected. You will see some check boxes for what drives to show on the desktop. Check the option to show external disks, while you're here, you may want to check the options for hard disks and CDs as well. On Oct 1, 2011, at 1:40 PM, Jane wrote: > I've gotten the BookSense to connect to the MacBook via USB, but the only way I can make it appear on the desktop is by doing a search for it after hitting command-shift-h. Is there a way to force it to show up on the desktop like the hard drive does or like other DVDs do? > > Jane > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From gunn at tznet.com Sat Oct 1 20:19:49 2011 From: gunn at tznet.com (John Gunn) Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2011 14:19:49 -0500 Subject: Upgrading Fusion Under Lion In-Reply-To: <0LSE00FGE8ZTPVT1@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> References: <0LSE00BVN4KXK6W0@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net> <5936FE8B-B750-4C2B-9D9F-91DB8398FC8B@gmail.com> <0LSE00FGE8ZTPVT1@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <402173AB-FA73-4C68-A64E-92E378A51E95@tznet.com> Hello: Actually you need to do VO-shift-space. On Oct 1, 2011, at 10:43 AM, Matthew Chao wrote: > Hello. Am still having trouble. Perhaps I'm missing something: > > 1. I went to the downloads folder. > > 2. found the dmg file for Fusion. > > 3. Went to File Menu and specified mount disk. > > 4. Went into the mounted disk and went through the steps to upgrade. Nothing happening? What am I missing? I'm frustrated. > > Matthew Chao > > At 10:14 AM 10/1/2011, you wrote: >> i just did VO space and command tab to it >> >> On Oct 1, 2011, at 3:07 PM, Matthew Chao wrote: >> >> > Hi, Folks. I'm sorry if this has already been covered, but I haven't had a chance to upgrade Fusion to Version 4 under Lion. >> > >> > Anyway, when I mounted the unew Fusion, it said to double-click to upgrade from version 3. How do I do that? I tried hitting enter, vo-space, Quicknav for enter, but no luck. What do I need to do to get this right? Thanks in advance. >> > >> > Matthew Chao >> > >> > >> > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> > >> > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> > >> > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> > >> > or at the public Mail Archive: >> > . >> > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> > >> > >> > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> > >> > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > > From dragoncatmc at gmail.com Sat Oct 1 21:02:06 2011 From: dragoncatmc at gmail.com (Marcia Yale) Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2011 16:02:06 -0400 Subject: hot spot help In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <008601cc8074$ff9f66a0$fede33e0$@gmail.com> I know that one of the choices in the new VoiceOver activities set-up talks about hotspots--perhaps you need to create an activity for the application first, so that it knows it's supposed to save hotspots. -----Original Message----- From: mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net [mailto:mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net] On Behalf Of michael maslo Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2011 12:43 PM To: Mac OSX & Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility Subject: hot spot help Hi list: I am trying to use hot spot with voice over. I am having trouble. I set it up and then i try to move or activate that hot spot but when I do it does not move me to the window as I was told it would. I hit control option shift and number to set it up. then hit option control and that number after I leave that program and it does nothing. I hit the keystroke twice to see the hotspots I have set up and they say inactive. I put or monitor them also and they do not work. What am I doing wrong? Any help would be appreciated. I do not understand what I can be doing wrong. I am setting it up right for it shows up but why is it not launching that program I set it up in? <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: or at the public Mail Archive: . Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From marrie12 at gmail.com Sat Oct 1 21:21:56 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2011 13:21:56 -0700 Subject: hot spot help In-Reply-To: <008601cc8074$ff9f66a0$fede33e0$@gmail.com> References: <008601cc8074$ff9f66a0$fede33e0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <029623E8-9ED6-477B-9E21-B1524536A947@gmail.com> No? I set up my gloabal hotspots and it works but when they are inactive try restarting voice over as maybe something temporarily broke. On Oct 1, 2011, at 1:02 PM, Marcia Yale wrote: > I know that one of the choices in the new VoiceOver activities set-up talks > about hotspots--perhaps you need to create an activity for the application > first, so that it knows it's supposed to save hotspots. > > -----Original Message----- > From: mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net > [mailto:mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net] On Behalf Of michael maslo > Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2011 12:43 PM > To: Mac OSX & Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility > Subject: hot spot help > > Hi list: > > I am trying to use hot spot with voice over. I am having trouble. I set it > up and then i try to move or activate that hot spot but when I do it does > not move me to the window as I was told it would. > > I hit control option shift and number to set it up. then hit option control > and that number after I leave that program and it does nothing. I hit the > keystroke twice to see the hotspots I have set up and they say inactive. > > I put or monitor them also and they do not work. > > What am I doing wrong? > > Any help would be appreciated. > > I do not understand what I can be doing wrong. I am setting it up right for > it shows up but why is it not launching that program I set it up in? > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at > either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus > and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting > the list website at: > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From mattchao at verizon.net Sat Oct 1 21:38:38 2011 From: mattchao at verizon.net (Matthew Chao) Date: Sat, 01 Oct 2011 16:38:38 -0400 Subject: Upgrading Fusion Under Lion In-Reply-To: <402173AB-FA73-4C68-A64E-92E378A51E95@tznet.com> References: <0LSE00BVN4KXK6W0@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net> <5936FE8B-B750-4C2B-9D9F-91DB8398FC8B@gmail.com> <0LSE00FGE8ZTPVT1@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> <402173AB-FA73-4C68-A64E-92E378A51E95@tznet.com> Message-ID: <0LSE007H5MOHUR23@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> What does vo-shift-space do? Matthew Chao At 03:19 PM 10/1/2011, you wrote: >Hello: > >Actually you need to do VO-shift-space. > > >On Oct 1, 2011, at 10:43 AM, Matthew Chao wrote: > > > Hello. Am still having trouble. Perhaps I'm missing something: > > > > 1. I went to the downloads folder. > > > > 2. found the dmg file for Fusion. > > > > 3. Went to File Menu and specified mount disk. > > > > 4. Went into the mounted disk and went through the steps to > upgrade. Nothing happening? What am I missing? I'm frustrated. > > > > Matthew Chao > > > > At 10:14 AM 10/1/2011, you wrote: > >> i just did VO space and command tab to it > >> > >> On Oct 1, 2011, at 3:07 PM, Matthew Chao wrote: > >> > >> > Hi, Folks. I'm sorry if this has already been covered, but I > haven't had a chance to upgrade Fusion to Version 4 under Lion. > >> > > >> > Anyway, when I mounted the unew Fusion, it said to > double-click to upgrade from version 3. How do I do that? I tried > hitting enter, vo-space, Quicknav for enter, but no luck. What do > I need to do to get this right? Thanks in advance. > >> > > >> > Matthew Chao > >> > > >> > > >> > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > >> > > >> > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > >> > > >> > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the > Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > >> > > >> > or at the public Mail Archive: > >> > . > >> > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > >> > > >> > > >> > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, > Trojan, virus and worm-free! > >> > > >> > Please remember to update your membership options periodically > by visiting the list website at: > >> > > >> > >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > >> > >> To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > >> > >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the > Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > >> > >> or at the public Mail Archive: > >> . > >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > >> > >> > >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, > Trojan, virus and worm-free! > >> > >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically > by visiting the list website at: > >> > > > > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > > > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the > Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > > > or at the public Mail Archive: > > . > > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, > Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by > visiting the list website at: > > > > > ><--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > >To reply to this post, please address your message to >mac-access at mac-access.net > >You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access >forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > >or at the public Mail Archive: >. >Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > >The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, >virus and worm-free! > >Please remember to update your membership options periodically by >visiting the list website at: > From moriond at mac.com Sat Oct 1 21:49:21 2011 From: moriond at mac.com (Esther) Date: Sat, 01 Oct 2011 10:49:21 -1000 Subject: Upgrading Fusion Under Lion In-Reply-To: <0LSE007H5MOHUR23@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> References: <0LSE00BVN4KXK6W0@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net> <5936FE8B-B750-4C2B-9D9F-91DB8398FC8B@gmail.com> <0LSE00FGE8ZTPVT1@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> <402173AB-FA73-4C68-A64E-92E378A51E95@tznet.com> <0LSE007H5MOHUR23@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <75010262-13EF-4757-A8E5-0266A35C738B@mac.com> Hi Matthew, John's advice to do VO-Shift-Space executes a (software) mouse click. To double click you would hold down the Control, Option, and Shift keys and then tap the space bar twice. Occasionally software clicks do not work and you have to actually click with your trackpad or mouse (after making sure that your mouse cursor is routed to your VoiceOver cursor). The Numpad Commander assignment for a Mouse Click (pressing the "5" key on the Numpad) always seems to have the same status as a hardware click. (That is, it will work in the few situations where VO-Shift-Space does not, equivalent to physically clicking with a Mouse or Trackpad.) HTH. Cheers, Esther On Oct 1, 2011, at 10:38, Matthew Chao wrote: > What does vo-shift-space do? > > Matthew Chao > > At 03:19 PM 10/1/2011, you wrote: >> Hello: >> >> Actually you need to do VO-shift-space. >> >> >> On Oct 1, 2011, at 10:43 AM, Matthew Chao wrote: >> >> > Hello. Am still having trouble. Perhaps I'm missing something: >> > >> > 1. I went to the downloads folder. >> > >> > 2. found the dmg file for Fusion. >> > >> > 3. Went to File Menu and specified mount disk. >> > >> > 4. Went into the mounted disk and went through the steps to upgrade. Nothing happening? What am I missing? I'm frustrated. >> > >> > Matthew Chao >> > >> > At 10:14 AM 10/1/2011, you wrote: >> >> i just did VO space and command tab to it >> >> >> >> On Oct 1, 2011, at 3:07 PM, Matthew Chao wrote: >> >> >> >> > Hi, Folks. I'm sorry if this has already been covered, but I haven't had a chance to upgrade Fusion to Version 4 under Lion. >> >> > >> >> > Anyway, when I mounted the unew Fusion, it said to double-click to upgrade from version 3. How do I do that? I tried hitting enter, vo-space, Quicknav for enter, but no luck. What do I need to do to get this right? Thanks in advance. >> >> > >> >> > Matthew Chao >> >> > >> >> > From hopewell at hopewell.org.uk Sat Oct 1 21:57:33 2011 From: hopewell at hopewell.org.uk (Paul Hopewell) Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2011 21:57:33 +0100 Subject: Google chrome Message-ID: <4F986A8F-CFAF-4C05-B1D8-D67A8749F24D@hopewell.org.uk> Hello, Following recent posts I am playing with Google chrome with chrome-vox and google docs. I am currently finding it very confusing and would appreciate any pointer to some good beginners documentation. I have a Google account and I have installed the standard Google chrome (not chrome canary) and have chrome-vox and google docs installed. Google chrome now generates lots of mysterious sounds and often speaks in my default voice (not the voice I am using for VoiceOver). In many cases the screen info is inaccessible using standard VO keys but is accessible using tab and arrow keys which cause Google chrome to speak in my default voice. At present it is all very confusing. Should I have installed chrome canary rather than the standard chrome? I see that chrome canary is the latest nightly untested chrome build and I saw several posts about it frequently crashing. Hence I have so far avoided it. What do you chrome enthusiasts recommend I should do and where can I best read some basic info? I would like to get to the stage of uploading a Microsoft word document from my iMac local hard disk and then editing it using chrome. Many thanks for any tips.... Paul Hopewell From gunn at tznet.com Sat Oct 1 22:14:13 2011 From: gunn at tznet.com (John Gunn) Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2011 16:14:13 -0500 Subject: Upgrading Fusion Under Lion In-Reply-To: <0LSE007H5MOHUR23@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> References: <0LSE00BVN4KXK6W0@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net> <5936FE8B-B750-4C2B-9D9F-91DB8398FC8B@gmail.com> <0LSE00FGE8ZTPVT1@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> <402173AB-FA73-4C68-A64E-92E378A51E95@tznet.com> <0LSE007H5MOHUR23@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <1E6764DE-C103-4104-8E0B-06BD55673056@tznet.com> I believe it emulates a double left click but only a guess. On Oct 1, 2011, at 3:38 PM, Matthew Chao wrote: > What does vo-shift-space do? > > Matthew Chao > > At 03:19 PM 10/1/2011, you wrote: >> Hello: >> >> Actually you need to do VO-shift-space. >> >> >> On Oct 1, 2011, at 10:43 AM, Matthew Chao wrote: >> >> > Hello. Am still having trouble. Perhaps I'm missing something: >> > >> > 1. I went to the downloads folder. >> > >> > 2. found the dmg file for Fusion. >> > >> > 3. Went to File Menu and specified mount disk. >> > >> > 4. Went into the mounted disk and went through the steps to upgrade. Nothing happening? What am I missing? I'm frustrated. >> > >> > Matthew Chao >> > >> > At 10:14 AM 10/1/2011, you wrote: >> >> i just did VO space and command tab to it >> >> >> >> On Oct 1, 2011, at 3:07 PM, Matthew Chao wrote: >> >> >> >> > Hi, Folks. I'm sorry if this has already been covered, but I haven't had a chance to upgrade Fusion to Version 4 under Lion. >> >> > >> >> > Anyway, when I mounted the unew Fusion, it said to double-click to upgrade from version 3. How do I do that? I tried hitting enter, vo-space, Quicknav for enter, but no luck. What do I need to do to get this right? Thanks in advance. >> >> > >> >> > Matthew Chao >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> > >> >> > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> > >> >> > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> > >> >> > or at the public Mail Archive: >> >> > . >> >> > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> > >> >> > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> >> > >> >> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> >> . >> >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> >> >> > >> > >> > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> > >> > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> > >> > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> > >> > or at the public Mail Archive: >> > . >> > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> > >> > >> > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> > >> > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > >> > >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > > From moopiecurran at gmail.com Sat Oct 1 23:00:25 2011 From: moopiecurran at gmail.com (Courtney Curran) Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2011 18:00:25 -0400 Subject: where's the mic on Ipad 2? Message-ID: Hi, Today, I got an Ipad 2, but I don't know where the mic is located. So before I do Skype and all, where's the mic on this thing. I'm really liking the Ipad 2, I'm glad I got it instead of the Ipad first generation. I thought I'd wait a couple of months to get one, but I just couldn't, :) Sent from my iPad From moriond at mac.com Sat Oct 1 23:37:17 2011 From: moriond at mac.com (Esther) Date: Sat, 01 Oct 2011 12:37:17 -1000 Subject: Simplenote vs. Evernote [was Re: Printing from my Ipad] In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <266D6477-0CEB-4B12-9807-9FD946996BB9@mac.com> Hi Dane, I have Evernote, but the app that I really use extensively on my iOS devices is Simplenote. This is almost certainly a reflection of way I use my devices and the combination of apps that I have. Basically, what I care most about is text content -- I don't need to format my notes with bold, italic, etc. and I don't need lots of options to change the displayed font size. (These might be a consideration for a low vision user who wants control of these features in a note-taking app.) The seamless automatic sync between multiple iOS devices, secure account content, and the ability to access the Simplenote content from any computer (not just my own) is what makes this work for me. Evernote has a lot of very good features, including web scrapbooking, and a lot of people who work with image data or formatted text content really like it. The feature that I really like in Simplenote is the ability to search within individual notes. Notesy lets you search recent notes and the full set of notes. Simplenote lets you search within your list of notes and followup your search within selected notes that match your terms. Most notetaking apps that implement searching do so by highlighting text, and that doesn't work for VoiceOver users. With Simplenote, when you search within a selected note for matches, the program moves the line with the matching text to the top of the screen. So if you move your finger down from the top of the screen you will be on the line of your search. Note that if your note only consists of a few lines of text that would normally all be displayed on the screen, Simplenote will not shift the text. (Specifically, if your search term is on the second line of your note, and moving it to the top would have the consequence of making the first line not displayed, when all visible content can fit on the screen unshifted, Simplenote will not shift text.) This method of locating search term matches doesn't work if you try to command from the keyboard, but it provides a very simple way to find matches in notes by touching the screen just below the heading bar. I like the fact that I can "pin" the most frequently used notes to the top of the list. Also, if I want to share content with a group of people I can use a sharing function to turn a note into a web page, and email the link. (This is a feature of the premium subscription, the other features are all part of the basic, free app.) If this is only something that is of temporary use, I can unshare the note when it's no longer needed. I have occasionally used the feature to retrieve backups of notes I accidentally deleted from their daily backups. I think this is also part of the free app, but the period over which backups are kept is longer for the premium subscription. Premium subscribers can also maintain their own RSS feed (not something I use). And you can turn on automatic Dropbox synching with a Premium subscription. This is really useful. In the context of the earlier discussion on iPad printing, I could print any of my synched notes. I don't dispute the value of Evernote, and it's particularly valuable for people who work with images, while Simplenote is speedy and optimized for text. Evernote web clipping is useful, but I often want to go back to full articles, and I'll use Instapaper for that. (The reading format is much more accessible, too.) I should probably revisit the desktop interface of Evernote, which originally had a few accessibility glitches. As for the OCR functions, since they rely on being able to take a good image for OCR, I prefer to use Prizmo, which will give me on-the-spot feedback about whether the picture I took was good enough for OCR. If you want to read more details about searching for text in Simplenote, I'll point you to a Mail Archive link for a post I wrote back in December 2010 on another list: ? Finding and navigating to text in documents on the iDevices [was Re: finding text and getting to it quickly] http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries%40googlegroups.com/msg35583.html I should probably add that premium subscriptions for Simplenote are now $19.99 a year. When I first got one, mainly to show support for the developers, especially after they made the base app free, a premium subscription was $4.99. And when I renewed at the beginning of the year, I think it was $11.99. They've added lots of great capabilities, though, and I use this app all the time. Simplenote also supports TextExpander, which was wonderful for typing accented text in other languages (among other things), when we only had the virtual keyboard. It's still a great utility for improving your productivity in text apps like Simplenote. I use the free Notational Velocity app to access the notes on the Mac Desktop. I think the free, basic app is worth using by itself, and comes with a secure account for syncing your notes. Both Simplenote and Evernote are universal apps that work on iPhone and iPad. ? Simplenote by Codality (basic app is free and ad-supported, $4.99 to remove ads, $19.99 for a premium subscription) http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/simplenote/id289429962?mt=8 ? Evernote (free) by Evernote http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/evernote/id281796108?mt=8 HTH. Cheers, Esther On Sep 30, 2011, at 08:19, Dane Trethowan wrote: > Hi! > > You mentioned Evernote in some of the Air Print compatible apps for Iphone/ipad, have you ever used this? I used Evernote ever so briefly on the Mac platform and it was one of those projects I must continue to investigate, if you get an Evernote Pro account OCR can be performed on images you upload thus turning the images into text files or notes, I'd have to read the whole Evernote thing again as OCR is just one of the many features that this service provides apart from the obvious, keeping track of your notes, saving web pages for your convenience and so on. > > > On 29/09/2011, at 7:13 AM, Esther wrote: > >> Hi Dane, >> >> Airprint works with a variety of apps on your iPad, including Safari, Pages, Keynote, Numbers, iBooks (for PDF files -- not ePub), Instapaper, Evernote, Readdle Docs for iPad, Nebulous Notes (the note-taking app I posted about last week when it went free), Elements, and others. HP has a list of Airprint compatible apps in PDF format that you can download, but it's somewhat old: >> >> http://www.hp.com/sbso/printing/mac/list-airprint-compatible-apps.pdf >> >> There are also some apps that are supposed to enable printing to non-Airprint printers. I took a chance on an app called Print Agent Pro for iPad by Dar-Soft that has been see-sawing in price between the regular $5.99 and $2.99 sale price over much of August and September. This app lets me send text documents in my Dropbox app to Print Agent Pro, and then use the print dialogue within the Print Agent Pro app to send it to an Airprint compatible printer. >> >> There may be better solutions, and Readdle's Printer Pro app is supposed to be very good. (But I missed that sale.) Here's the page listing Printer apps for the iPad from AppAdvice: >> >> http://appadvice.com/appguides/show/printing >> >> There's a free Lite version of Readdle's Printer app that people without Airprint compatible printers can use to check out whether their printers are supported. Readdle's Printer Pro also has the ability to print files from Dropbox, MobileMe, Google Docs and the photo gallery, and there's supposed to be a version for the iPhone, too. You might want to look into that, for general iPad printing. >> >> HTH. Cheers, >> >> Esther >> >> >> On Sep 28, 2011, at 07:47, Dane Trethowan wrote: >> >>> Hi! >>> >>> Yep, I managed to print an email from my in-box on my Ipad and the process was dead easy, just select the Airplay compatible printer - in my case the HP Officejet Pro 8500A Plus - make adjustments to number of copies, pages etc and double-tap the "Print" button. >>> >>> So now to the question, if I wanted to print a text document from my Ipad which app could I use? As far as I'm aware Mail is the only app on the Ipad which can use the Air Print facility, is this correct? >>> >>> I did try to send a message to this list earlier on the same subject but I don't think the message reached its target so sorry if I'm repeating myself . >>> >> From krbarry at gmail.com Sat Oct 1 23:40:52 2011 From: krbarry at gmail.com (Kevin Barry) Date: Sat, 01 Oct 2011 18:40:52 -0400 Subject: where's the mic on Ipad 2? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4e8796ff.8ac4e00a.716c.ffffabef@mx.google.com> It's on the back, near the top on the curved edge. You can feel a small hole there. At 06:00 PM 10/1/2011, you wrote: >Hi, >Today, I got an Ipad 2, but I don't know where the mic is located. >So before I do Skype and all, where's the mic on this thing. I'm >really liking the Ipad 2, I'm glad I got it instead of the Ipad >first generation. I thought I'd wait a couple of months to get one, >but I just couldn't, :) > > >Sent from my iPad ><--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > >To reply to this post, please address your message to >mac-access at mac-access.net > >You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access >forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > >or at the public Mail Archive: >. >Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > >The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, >virus and worm-free! > >Please remember to update your membership options periodically by >visiting the list website at: > From moriond at mac.com Sat Oct 1 23:48:56 2011 From: moriond at mac.com (Esther) Date: Sat, 01 Oct 2011 12:48:56 -1000 Subject: where's the mic on Ipad 2? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Courtney, The location of the Mic on the iPad 2 is at the top center of the device when you hold it in portrait mode (with the home button at the bottom). If you feel along the top edge of the device, there's a very small, rectangular slot just at the center where the back of the iPad is curving away from the glass -- much, much smaller than the headphone jack at the top left of the iPad 2, which you'll hit if you run your finger all the way to the top left of the device. HTH. Cheers, Esther On Oct 1, 2011, at 12:00, Courtney Curran wrote: > Hi, > Today, I got an Ipad 2, but I don't know where the mic is located. So before I do Skype and all, where's the mic on this thing. I'm really liking the Ipad 2, I'm glad I got it instead of the Ipad first generation. I thought I'd wait a couple of months to get one, but I just couldn't, :) > > From grtdane at internode.on.net Sat Oct 1 23:59:00 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2011 09:59:00 +1100 Subject: Simplenote vs. Evernote [was Re: Printing from my Ipad] In-Reply-To: <266D6477-0CEB-4B12-9807-9FD946996BB9@mac.com> References: <266D6477-0CEB-4B12-9807-9FD946996BB9@mac.com> Message-ID: <77239429-FB48-4F0D-84DA-1CBDBA6B8B99@internode.on.net> Simplenote sounds pretty much what I need then. I use Notesy quite a bit at the present time and like you I'm not all that fussed about formatting, in my case the ability to print from my Ipad would be handy and Simplenote will provide this given what you've written below. If I want formatted documents then I'd use a word processor surely! and as far as I know on the IOS platform? Word Processing is not a viable option right now, if what I understand is still the case then there are no accessible word processing apps out there yet for IOS. Anyway getting back to the subject of notes, like you I'm quite happy to use text given that most of my notes at present are to do with reference material, shopping lists and.. well.. anything else that has to be noted. Using Notesy and Dropbox I'm able to turn my notes into something bigger using the power of the computers here should I need to but I'm going to take a look at Simplenote all the same. Instapaper is a God send, how I could have lived without that service for all these years I just don't know . On 02/10/2011, at 9:37 AM, Esther wrote: > Hi Dane, > > I have Evernote, but the app that I really use extensively on my iOS devices is Simplenote. This is almost certainly a reflection of way I use my devices and the combination of apps that I have. Basically, what I care most about is text content -- I don't need to format my notes with bold, italic, etc. and I don't need lots of options to change the displayed font size. (These might be a consideration for a low vision user who wants control of these features in a note-taking app.) The seamless automatic sync between multiple iOS devices, secure account content, and the ability to access the Simplenote content from any computer (not just my own) is what makes this work for me. Evernote has a lot of very good features, including web scrapbooking, and a lot of people who work with image data or formatted text content really like it. > > The feature that I really like in Simplenote is the ability to search within individual notes. Notesy lets you search recent notes and the full set of notes. Simplenote lets you search within your list of notes and followup your search within selected notes that match your terms. Most notetaking apps that implement searching do so by highlighting text, and that doesn't work for VoiceOver users. With Simplenote, when you search within a selected note for matches, the program moves the line with the matching text to the top of the screen. So if you move your finger down from the top of the screen you will be on the line of your search. Note that if your note only consists of a few lines of text that would normally all be displayed on the screen, Simplenote will not shift the text. (Specifically, if your search term is on the second line of your note, and moving it to the top would have the consequence of making the first line not displayed, when all visible content can fit on the screen unshifted, Simplenote will not shift text.) This method of locating search term matches doesn't work if you try to command from the keyboard, but it provides a very simple way to find matches in notes by touching the screen just below the heading bar. > > I like the fact that I can "pin" the most frequently used notes to the top of the list. Also, if I want to share content with a group of people I can use a sharing function to turn a note into a web page, and email the link. (This is a feature of the premium subscription, the other features are all part of the basic, free app.) If this is only something that is of temporary use, I can unshare the note when it's no longer needed. I have occasionally used the feature to retrieve backups of notes I accidentally deleted from their daily backups. I think this is also part of the free app, but the period over which backups are kept is longer for the premium subscription. Premium subscribers can also maintain their own RSS feed (not something I use). And you can turn on automatic Dropbox synching with a Premium subscription. This is really useful. In the context of the earlier discussion on iPad printing, I could print any of my synched notes. > > I don't dispute the value of Evernote, and it's particularly valuable for people who work with images, while Simplenote is speedy and optimized for text. Evernote web clipping is useful, but I often want to go back to full articles, and I'll use Instapaper for that. (The reading format is much more accessible, too.) I should probably revisit the desktop interface of Evernote, which originally had a few accessibility glitches. As for the OCR functions, since they rely on being able to take a good image for OCR, I prefer to use Prizmo, which will give me on-the-spot feedback about whether the picture I took was good enough for OCR. > > If you want to read more details about searching for text in Simplenote, I'll point you to a Mail Archive link for a post I wrote back in December 2010 on another list: > > ? Finding and navigating to text in documents on the iDevices [was Re: finding text and getting to it quickly] > http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries%40googlegroups.com/msg35583.html > > I should probably add that premium subscriptions for Simplenote are now $19.99 a year. When I first got one, mainly to show support for the developers, especially after they made the base app free, a premium subscription was $4.99. And when I renewed at the beginning of the year, I think it was $11.99. They've added lots of great capabilities, though, and I use this app all the time. Simplenote also supports TextExpander, which was wonderful for typing accented text in other languages (among other things), when we only had the virtual keyboard. It's still a great utility for improving your productivity in text apps like Simplenote. I use the free Notational Velocity app to access the notes on the Mac Desktop. I think the free, basic app is worth using by itself, and comes with a secure account for syncing your notes. Both Simplenote and Evernote are universal apps that work on iPhone and iPad. > > ? Simplenote by Codality (basic app is free and ad-supported, $4.99 to remove ads, $19.99 for a premium subscription) > http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/simplenote/id289429962?mt=8 > ? Evernote (free) by Evernote > http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/evernote/id281796108?mt=8 > > HTH. Cheers, > > Esther > > On Sep 30, 2011, at 08:19, Dane Trethowan wrote: > >> Hi! >> >> You mentioned Evernote in some of the Air Print compatible apps for Iphone/ipad, have you ever used this? I used Evernote ever so briefly on the Mac platform and it was one of those projects I must continue to investigate, if you get an Evernote Pro account OCR can be performed on images you upload thus turning the images into text files or notes, I'd have to read the whole Evernote thing again as OCR is just one of the many features that this service provides apart from the obvious, keeping track of your notes, saving web pages for your convenience and so on. >> >> >> On 29/09/2011, at 7:13 AM, Esther wrote: >> >>> Hi Dane, >>> >>> Airprint works with a variety of apps on your iPad, including Safari, Pages, Keynote, Numbers, iBooks (for PDF files -- not ePub), Instapaper, Evernote, Readdle Docs for iPad, Nebulous Notes (the note-taking app I posted about last week when it went free), Elements, and others. HP has a list of Airprint compatible apps in PDF format that you can download, but it's somewhat old: >>> >>> http://www.hp.com/sbso/printing/mac/list-airprint-compatible-apps.pdf >>> >>> There are also some apps that are supposed to enable printing to non-Airprint printers. I took a chance on an app called Print Agent Pro for iPad by Dar-Soft that has been see-sawing in price between the regular $5.99 and $2.99 sale price over much of August and September. This app lets me send text documents in my Dropbox app to Print Agent Pro, and then use the print dialogue within the Print Agent Pro app to send it to an Airprint compatible printer. >>> >>> There may be better solutions, and Readdle's Printer Pro app is supposed to be very good. (But I missed that sale.) Here's the page listing Printer apps for the iPad from AppAdvice: >>> >>> http://appadvice.com/appguides/show/printing >>> >>> There's a free Lite version of Readdle's Printer app that people without Airprint compatible printers can use to check out whether their printers are supported. Readdle's Printer Pro also has the ability to print files from Dropbox, MobileMe, Google Docs and the photo gallery, and there's supposed to be a version for the iPhone, too. You might want to look into that, for general iPad printing. >>> >>> HTH. Cheers, >>> >>> Esther >>> >>> >>> On Sep 28, 2011, at 07:47, Dane Trethowan wrote: >>> >>>> Hi! >>>> >>>> Yep, I managed to print an email from my in-box on my Ipad and the process was dead easy, just select the Airplay compatible printer - in my case the HP Officejet Pro 8500A Plus - make adjustments to number of copies, pages etc and double-tap the "Print" button. >>>> >>>> So now to the question, if I wanted to print a text document from my Ipad which app could I use? As far as I'm aware Mail is the only app on the Ipad which can use the Air Print facility, is this correct? >>>> >>>> I did try to send a message to this list earlier on the same subject but I don't think the message reached its target so sorry if I'm repeating myself . >>>> >>> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From moriond at mac.com Sun Oct 2 00:32:50 2011 From: moriond at mac.com (Esther) Date: Sat, 01 Oct 2011 13:32:50 -1000 Subject: Simplenote vs. Evernote [was Re: Printing from my Ipad] In-Reply-To: <77239429-FB48-4F0D-84DA-1CBDBA6B8B99@internode.on.net> References: <266D6477-0CEB-4B12-9807-9FD946996BB9@mac.com> <77239429-FB48-4F0D-84DA-1CBDBA6B8B99@internode.on.net> Message-ID: <44B2DEEE-6CE3-4AAA-8A69-BCAE4DF5AF19@mac.com> Hi Dane, Just to summarize, for printing from SImplenote, right now I'm using the Dropbox synching feature (which is available for premium subscribers), and the app Print Agent Pro for iPad by Dar-Soft, which was $2.99 when I bought it. That app will let me print from any Dropbox content. As a more general solution with more options, and support for more printers, I might now explore Readdle's Printer Pro app, and give their free, Lite version a try. It is supposed to have the ability to print files from Dropbox, MobileMe, Google Docs and the photo gallery. There may be separate versions for iPhone and iPad. I don't know whether separate Airprint support is on the horizon for Simplenote, but I'm using the Dropbox sync capabilities of the Premium subscription for other purposes, and several apps will print from Dropbox. Cheers, Esther From moopiecurran at gmail.com Sun Oct 2 00:39:20 2011 From: moopiecurran at gmail.com (Courtney Curran) Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2011 19:39:20 -0400 Subject: where's the mic on Ipad 2? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <56040CC5-685F-4C08-A885-A6894CA428E6@gmail.com> Hi, Thanks for this, now I feel the tiniest of indentations, I noticed the sound of the mic is much better than the one on the Ipod touch 4th generation. Courtney Sent from my iPad On Oct 1, 2011, at 6:48 PM, Esther wrote: > Hi Courtney, > > The location of the Mic on the iPad 2 is at the top center of the device when you hold it in portrait mode (with the home button at the bottom). If you feel along the top edge of the device, there's a very small, rectangular slot just at the center where the back of the iPad is curving away from the glass -- much, much smaller than the headphone jack at the top left of the iPad 2, which you'll hit if you run your finger all the way to the top left of the device. > > HTH. Cheers, > > Esther > > On Oct 1, 2011, at 12:00, Courtney Curran wrote: > >> Hi, >> Today, I got an Ipad 2, but I don't know where the mic is located. So before I do Skype and all, where's the mic on this thing. I'm really liking the Ipad 2, I'm glad I got it instead of the Ipad first generation. I thought I'd wait a couple of months to get one, but I just couldn't, :) >> >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From stuartyoung at samobile.net Sun Oct 2 01:07:49 2011 From: stuartyoung at samobile.net (Stuart Young) Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2011 01:07:49 +0100 Subject: gourmet for mac Message-ID: Hi all. does anyone know of any cooking applications for the mac, that are accessible using the voice over screen reader?. I am maybe thinking about getting gourmet for mac deluxe which is on sale in the app store if it is accessible. any help that you can provide would be great. I would also like to thank Lynn and everyone for your help on accessing daisy books on the mac, I have purchased Read here pro from GHLLC. Regards Stuart. From jim.noseworthy at compuconference.com Sun Oct 2 01:11:03 2011 From: jim.noseworthy at compuconference.com (Jim Noseworthy) Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2011 21:11:03 -0300 Subject: Sound Studio and Voiceover. Message-ID: Hi Folks: Is there any documentation out there concerning using the latest version of Sound Studio and Voiceover? The triune God created human kind to participate, through the Holy Spirit, in the incarnate Son's communion with the Father. __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6509 (20111001) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com From grtdane at internode.on.net Sun Oct 2 01:13:48 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2011 11:13:48 +1100 Subject: gourmet for mac In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: The one I use here is Mac Gourmet, I'm sure there are others out there. On 02/10/2011, at 11:07 AM, Stuart Young wrote: > Hi all. > does anyone know of any cooking applications for the mac, that are accessible using the voice over screen reader?. I am maybe thinking about getting gourmet for mac deluxe which is on sale in the app store if it is accessible. > any help that you can provide would be great. > I would also like to thank Lynn and everyone for your help on accessing daisy books on the mac, I have purchased Read here pro from GHLLC. > Regards Stuart. > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From stuartyoung at samobile.net Sun Oct 2 01:19:29 2011 From: stuartyoung at samobile.net (Stuart Young) Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2011 01:19:29 +0100 Subject: gourmet for mac In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8FA70753-637C-4361-804E-F1ABE700366A@samobile.net> Hi Dane. Thanks for your reply! how well do you find that Gourmet works with voice over?. Regards. Stuart. On 2 Oct 2011, at 01:13, Dane Trethowan wrote: > The one I use here is Mac Gourmet, I'm sure there are others out there. > > > On 02/10/2011, at 11:07 AM, Stuart Young wrote: > >> Hi all. >> does anyone know of any cooking applications for the mac, that are accessible using the voice over screen reader?. I am maybe thinking about getting gourmet for mac deluxe which is on sale in the app store if it is accessible. >> any help that you can provide would be great. >> I would also like to thank Lynn and everyone for your help on accessing daisy books on the mac, I have purchased Read here pro from GHLLC. >> Regards Stuart. >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > > From moriond at mac.com Sun Oct 2 01:26:06 2011 From: moriond at mac.com (Esther) Date: Sat, 01 Oct 2011 14:26:06 -1000 Subject: gourmet for mac In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3F188857-DB79-4BF4-8EB1-3DE2CD49EF2A@mac.com> Hi Stuart, The App Store is selling the Deluxe version of Mac Gourmet (that Dane and others use) for the same price as the regular version. This has extra shopping list features, etc. Yes, this is accessible. Another fairly accessible cooking app is Yummy Soup. Cheers, Esther On Oct 1, 2011, at 14:13, Dane Trethowan wrote: > The one I use here is Mac Gourmet, I'm sure there are others out there. > > > On 02/10/2011, at 11:07 AM, Stuart Young wrote: > >> Hi all. >> does anyone know of any cooking applications for the mac, that are accessible using the voice over screen reader?. I am maybe thinking about getting gourmet for mac deluxe which is on sale in the app store if it is accessible. >> any help that you can provide would be great. >> I would also like to thank Lynn and everyone for your help on accessing daisy books on the mac, I have purchased Read here pro from GHLLC. >> Regards Stuart. From juanitatighan at gmail.com Sun Oct 2 01:28:08 2011 From: juanitatighan at gmail.com (Jane) Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2011 20:28:08 -0400 Subject: Muting/Unmuting Speech With Lion Message-ID: I have been trying to figure out the Trackpad commander. I've even had some small success with it. Command-flick-left to open Safari, for instance--I managed to set it up that way. I am having one problem though. This trackpad seems to be so darned sensitive! If I touch it, sometimes it's taken to be a tripple-tap or whatever it is, to mute speech, and I have to keep randomly tapping it, trying to figure out how to get it back on. Is there any way to change that gesture to make it more ... well ... difficult? Or is there a way to disable it, and maybe only use a keyboard command or gthe quicknav? For that matter, is there a way to keep from jumping in and out of this message body? I'm not even sure what I'm doing to make it do that. Any thoughts on this fun/interesting/frustrating trackpad welcome. Jane From stuartyoung at samobile.net Sun Oct 2 01:33:20 2011 From: stuartyoung at samobile.net (Stuart Young) Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2011 01:33:20 +0100 Subject: gourmet for mac In-Reply-To: <3F188857-DB79-4BF4-8EB1-3DE2CD49EF2A@mac.com> References: <3F188857-DB79-4BF4-8EB1-3DE2CD49EF2A@mac.com> Message-ID: Cheers Esther I will check it out!. On 2 Oct 2011, at 01:26, Esther wrote: > Hi Stuart, > > The App Store is selling the Deluxe version of Mac Gourmet (that Dane and others use) for the same price as the regular version. This has extra shopping list features, etc. Yes, this is accessible. Another fairly accessible cooking app is Yummy Soup. > > Cheers, > > Esther > > On Oct 1, 2011, at 14:13, Dane Trethowan wrote: > >> The one I use here is Mac Gourmet, I'm sure there are others out there. >> >> >> On 02/10/2011, at 11:07 AM, Stuart Young wrote: >> >>> Hi all. >>> does anyone know of any cooking applications for the mac, that are accessible using the voice over screen reader?. I am maybe thinking about getting gourmet for mac deluxe which is on sale in the app store if it is accessible. >>> any help that you can provide would be great. >>> I would also like to thank Lynn and everyone for your help on accessing daisy books on the mac, I have purchased Read here pro from GHLLC. >>> Regards Stuart. > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > > From n0oxy at charter.net Sun Oct 2 06:47:22 2011 From: n0oxy at charter.net (Mike Arrigo) Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2011 00:47:22 -0500 Subject: Upgrading Fusion Under Lion In-Reply-To: <0LSE007H5MOHUR23@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> References: <0LSE00BVN4KXK6W0@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net> <5936FE8B-B750-4C2B-9D9F-91DB8398FC8B@gmail.com> <0LSE00FGE8ZTPVT1@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> <402173AB-FA73-4C68-A64E-92E378A51E95@tznet.com> <0LSE007H5MOHUR23@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <9AE38766-5FB7-430E-BA7F-BAE54EA128F0@charter.net> This performs a mouse click, you will want to first make sure the mouse pointer is where you want to click before using this command. On Oct 1, 2011, at 3:38 PM, Matthew Chao wrote: > What does vo-shift-space do? > > Matthew Chao > > At 03:19 PM 10/1/2011, you wrote: >> Hello: >> >> Actually you need to do VO-shift-space. >> >> >> On Oct 1, 2011, at 10:43 AM, Matthew Chao wrote: >> >> > Hello. Am still having trouble. Perhaps I'm missing something: >> > >> > 1. I went to the downloads folder. >> > >> > 2. found the dmg file for Fusion. >> > >> > 3. Went to File Menu and specified mount disk. >> > >> > 4. Went into the mounted disk and went through the steps to upgrade. Nothing happening? What am I missing? I'm frustrated. >> > >> > Matthew Chao >> > >> > At 10:14 AM 10/1/2011, you wrote: >> >> i just did VO space and command tab to it >> >> >> >> On Oct 1, 2011, at 3:07 PM, Matthew Chao wrote: >> >> >> >> > Hi, Folks. I'm sorry if this has already been covered, but I haven't had a chance to upgrade Fusion to Version 4 under Lion. >> >> > >> >> > Anyway, when I mounted the unew Fusion, it said to double-click to upgrade from version 3. How do I do that? I tried hitting enter, vo-space, Quicknav for enter, but no luck. What do I need to do to get this right? Thanks in advance. >> >> > >> >> > Matthew Chao >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> > >> >> > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> > >> >> > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> > >> >> > or at the public Mail Archive: >> >> > . >> >> > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> > >> >> > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> >> > >> >> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> >> . >> >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> >> >> > >> > >> > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> > >> > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> > >> > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> > >> > or at the public Mail Archive: >> > . >> > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> > >> > >> > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> > >> > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > >> > >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From margaretebooth at gmail.com Sun Oct 2 09:10:59 2011 From: margaretebooth at gmail.com (Margaret Booth) Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2011 19:10:59 +1100 Subject: Contacts in mail Message-ID: <1414577892906619825@unknownmsgid> Can someone tell me how to add a contact to a new email and to open my contacts? Also how do I add a new contact. I have lion. Margaret Sent from my iPhone From anne at anarchie.org.uk Sun Oct 2 09:11:28 2011 From: anne at anarchie.org.uk (Anne Robertson) Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2011 10:11:28 +0200 Subject: Defining headers and footers in Pages using Tab stops In-Reply-To: <640F2648-1C80-4232-9647-25F56BC664CB@mac-access.net> References: <640F2648-1C80-4232-9647-25F56BC664CB@mac-access.net> Message-ID: Hello James, Could you be more specific about what you're trying to do. I assume you've checked "Facing pages" in the Document tab of the Document Inspector? This changes Left and Right to Inside and Outside margins thus enabling you to specify a gutter. I can't help any further without more information. Cheers, Anne On 1 Oct 2011, at 20:04, James AUSTIN wrote: > Evening folks, > > I've got a project for which i need to define different headers and footers. Unfortunately, it seems that VO is not really capable of doing this right now, without some fiddling around, so here's what I've done so far. > > I've made sure that different headers and footers are chosen for the left and right pages. I've also made sure that the checkbox for using previous headers and footers is unchecked. > > To create different headers, I've been using section breaks, which seems to work, but despite this, I'm still having problems. > > Any help that anyone can provide would be great. For the moment, because this needs to be done, I am using LaTEX, but I really would like to know how to get this done in Pages 09 as well. > > Thank you > Best > James > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From margaretebooth at gmail.com Sun Oct 2 09:19:26 2011 From: margaretebooth at gmail.com (Margaret Booth) Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2011 19:19:26 +1100 Subject: Selecting email Message-ID: <9182084100748606621@unknownmsgid> How do you select a group of emails so I can delete them? Also what is the shortcuts to move from the top to the bottom of my emails and back again Margaret Sent from my iPhone From james.austin at mac-access.net Sun Oct 2 10:57:12 2011 From: james.austin at mac-access.net (James AUSTIN) Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2011 10:57:12 +0100 Subject: Selecting email In-Reply-To: <9182084100748606621@unknownmsgid> References: <9182084100748606621@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: <82E6AF6B-6E9C-4078-B16E-F3175AE20D68@mac-access.net> Hi Margaret, If you want to delete messages that are one under the other, you can simply use shift+Up and Down arrow after you interact with the messages table. Alternatively, if you want to delete messages that are not immediately following one another, after you interact with the messages able, you can use VO+Command+Space to select your first message and then use the VO+Up and Down to locate the next message and again press VO+Command+Space. Do this for all the messages you wish to select. You can then delete them or copy them etc. HTH TC :) James On 2 Oct 2011, at 09:19, Margaret Booth wrote: > How do you select a group of emails so I can delete them? Also what is > the shortcuts to move from the top to the bottom of my emails and back > again > Margaret > > > Sent from my iPhone > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From james.austin at mac-access.net Sun Oct 2 11:01:10 2011 From: james.austin at mac-access.net (James AUSTIN) Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2011 11:01:10 +0100 Subject: Defining headers and footers in Pages using Tab stops In-Reply-To: References: <640F2648-1C80-4232-9647-25F56BC664CB@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <704457CF-44DC-49D4-965A-E3B74D2B064B@mac-access.net> Hello Anne, Thank you for your suggestion about checking the "facing pages" checkbox. I was not aware tha I needed to check this box. Hopefully, I will be able to accomplish what I want now. Best James On 2 Oct 2011, at 09:11, Anne Robertson wrote: > Hello James, > > Could you be more specific about what you're trying to do. I assume you've checked "Facing pages" in the Document tab of the Document Inspector? This changes Left and Right to Inside and Outside margins thus enabling you to specify a gutter. > > I can't help any further without more information. > > Cheers, > > Anne > > > On 1 Oct 2011, at 20:04, James AUSTIN wrote: > >> Evening folks, >> >> I've got a project for which i need to define different headers and footers. Unfortunately, it seems that VO is not really capable of doing this right now, without some fiddling around, so here's what I've done so far. >> >> I've made sure that different headers and footers are chosen for the left and right pages. I've also made sure that the checkbox for using previous headers and footers is unchecked. >> >> To create different headers, I've been using section breaks, which seems to work, but despite this, I'm still having problems. >> >> Any help that anyone can provide would be great. For the moment, because this needs to be done, I am using LaTEX, but I really would like to know how to get this done in Pages 09 as well. >> >> Thank you >> Best >> James >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From marcy.weinberg1 at gmail.com Sun Oct 2 12:26:13 2011 From: marcy.weinberg1 at gmail.com (Marcy Weinberg) Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2011 07:26:13 -0400 Subject: Contacts in mail In-Reply-To: <1414577892906619825@unknownmsgid> References: <1414577892906619825@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: Your contacts are located in the address book app. There you can view all of your contacts, and add new contacts. When sending an email, type the first address in the to field. If the address is in the address book, the correct address should auto-fill in. Keep typing until the address you ant comes up in the field. To add additional addresses, you can place a comma and space and then type in the next address and so on. This can be done in the to field, the cc field, and/or the bcc field. On Oct 2, 2011, at 4:10 AM, Margaret Booth wrote: Can someone tell me how to add a contact to a new email and to open my contacts? Also how do I add a new contact. I have lion. Margaret Sent from my iPhone <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: or at the public Mail Archive: . Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: -- Marcy marcy.weinberg1 at gmail.com From jonathan.tyrer at gmail.com Sun Oct 2 14:14:08 2011 From: jonathan.tyrer at gmail.com (Jonathan Tyrer) Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2011 14:14:08 +0100 Subject: ratings in iTunes Message-ID: How do people set ratings in iTunes? I navigate to the item in the table, move to the rating cell, go to the menu, file, rating sub-menu and use the down-arrow key to move to the rating I want and press enter. Is there an easier way to do this? JT From eric_caron at Mac-Access.net Sun Oct 2 14:23:52 2011 From: eric_caron at Mac-Access.net (Eric Caron) Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2011 09:23:52 -0400 Subject: Selecting email In-Reply-To: <82E6AF6B-6E9C-4078-B16E-F3175AE20D68@mac-access.net> References: <9182084100748606621@unknownmsgid> <82E6AF6B-6E9C-4078-B16E-F3175AE20D68@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <450BBF51-C09C-40A3-8775-5C1259B086DD@Mac-Access.net> Hi Margaret, If you are asking about mail in Mac then in addition to selecting messages as James explained you can go quickly to the top or bottom of the email list by pressing VO FN shift left arrow or right arrow. On a extended keyboard it is VO Shift Home or End. On the iPhone, if that is what you are asking select multiple messages by using the edit button then double tap to select the messages then you can delete them by pressing the delete button at the bottom of the screen. Not sure how to quickly go to the top or bottom in mail on the iPhone. Hope this answered the question you wanted to ask. eRic Caron On Oct 2, 2011, at 5:57 AM, James AUSTIN wrote: > Hi Margaret, > > If you want to delete messages that are one under the other, you can simply use shift+Up and Down arrow after you interact with the messages table. Alternatively, if you want to delete messages that are not immediately following one another, after you interact with the messages able, you can use VO+Command+Space to select your first message and then use the VO+Up and Down to locate the next message and again press VO+Command+Space. Do this for all the messages you wish to select. You can then delete them or copy them etc. > > HTH > TC :) > James > On 2 Oct 2011, at 09:19, Margaret Booth wrote: > >> How do you select a group of emails so I can delete them? Also what is >> the shortcuts to move from the top to the bottom of my emails and back >> again >> Margaret >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From mmaslo1964 at swbell.net Sun Oct 2 14:26:26 2011 From: mmaslo1964 at swbell.net (michael maslo) Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2011 08:26:26 -0500 Subject: card games for the mac Message-ID: <51057907-6D6B-4D98-901A-E17794E8F7E2@swbell.net> Hi list: Are there any card games which work on the mac? From jdawg1983 at gmail.com Sun Oct 2 14:56:20 2011 From: jdawg1983 at gmail.com (joe quinn) Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2011 08:56:20 -0500 Subject: seeing things in multiple locations Message-ID: ',gns in multiple locations. for exampl.e, my ITunes library's in my main directory, and in my "music" directory. as well as applations are in the root of teh HD,a nd in the applications folder. using an early 09 mini with lion 10.7.1. help?! From mattchao at verizon.net Sun Oct 2 15:05:23 2011 From: mattchao at verizon.net (Matthew Chao) Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2011 10:05:23 -0400 Subject: Upgrading Fusion Under Lion In-Reply-To: <75010262-13EF-4757-A8E5-0266A35C738B@mac.com> References: <0LSE00BVN4KXK6W0@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net> <5936FE8B-B750-4C2B-9D9F-91DB8398FC8B@gmail.com> <0LSE00FGE8ZTPVT1@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> <402173AB-FA73-4C68-A64E-92E378A51E95@tznet.com> <0LSE007H5MOHUR23@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> <75010262-13EF-4757-A8E5-0266A35C738B@mac.com> Message-ID: <0LSF000OXZ52U3E2@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> Hi, Esther. Looks like I have to route the mouse to the VO cursor. How do I do that and get to the "double-click to upgrade"? Thansk. Matthew Chao At 04:49 PM 10/1/2011, you wrote: >Hi Matthew, > >John's advice to do VO-Shift-Space executes a (software) mouse >click. To double click you would hold down the Control, Option, and >Shift keys and then tap the space bar twice. Occasionally software >clicks do not work and you have to actually click with your trackpad >or mouse (after making sure that your mouse cursor is routed to your >VoiceOver cursor). The Numpad Commander assignment for a Mouse >Click (pressing the "5" key on the Numpad) always seems to have the >same status as a hardware click. (That is, it will work in the few >situations where VO-Shift-Space does not, equivalent to physically >clicking with a Mouse or Trackpad.) > >HTH. Cheers, > >Esther > >On Oct 1, 2011, at 10:38, Matthew Chao wrote: > > > What does vo-shift-space do? > > > > Matthew Chao > > > > At 03:19 PM 10/1/2011, you wrote: > >> Hello: > >> > >> Actually you need to do VO-shift-space. > >> > >> > >> On Oct 1, 2011, at 10:43 AM, Matthew Chao wrote: > >> > >> > Hello. Am still having trouble. Perhaps I'm missing something: > >> > > >> > 1. I went to the downloads folder. > >> > > >> > 2. found the dmg file for Fusion. > >> > > >> > 3. Went to File Menu and specified mount disk. > >> > > >> > 4. Went into the mounted disk and went through the steps to > upgrade. Nothing happening? What am I missing? I'm frustrated. > >> > > >> > Matthew Chao > >> > > >> > At 10:14 AM 10/1/2011, you wrote: > >> >> i just did VO space and command tab to it > >> >> > >> >> On Oct 1, 2011, at 3:07 PM, Matthew Chao wrote: > >> >> > >> >> > Hi, Folks. I'm sorry if this has already been covered, but > I haven't had a chance to upgrade Fusion to Version 4 under Lion. > >> >> > > >> >> > Anyway, when I mounted the unew Fusion, it said to > double-click to upgrade from version 3. How do I do that? I tried > hitting enter, vo-space, Quicknav for enter, but no luck. What do > I need to do to get this right? Thanks in advance. > >> >> > > >> >> > Matthew Chao > >> >> > > >> >> > ><--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > >To reply to this post, please address your message to >mac-access at mac-access.net > >You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access >forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > >or at the public Mail Archive: >. >Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > >The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, >virus and worm-free! > >Please remember to update your membership options periodically by >visiting the list website at: > From mattchao at verizon.net Sun Oct 2 15:20:43 2011 From: mattchao at verizon.net (Matthew Chao) Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2011 10:20:43 -0400 Subject: Fusion and Intel core 2 Duo Message-ID: Hi, Folks! Will Fusion 4 run on an Intel Core 2 Duo? I have a MacBook Pro with this chip. Thanks in advance. Matthew Chao From moopiecurran at gmail.com Sun Oct 2 15:31:57 2011 From: moopiecurran at gmail.com (Courtney Curran) Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2011 10:31:57 -0400 Subject: A question about charging my ipad Message-ID: Hi, I have a rather silly question about charging the Ipad. I have a 6 foot long usb adapter that I bought a few months ago, can I use that and the little magsafe wall plug that came with the ipad to charge it? Or do I have to use the really short usb thing hooked to the wall plug to charge the Ipad? Thanks, Courtney Sent from my iPad From n0oxy at charter.net Sun Oct 2 15:37:26 2011 From: n0oxy at charter.net (Mike Arrigo) Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2011 09:37:26 -0500 Subject: Fusion and Intel core 2 Duo In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8A2B0584-1329-4350-BC50-DED4CE9EAC67@charter.net> Yes, this should work fine, both of my mac minis havethis chip. On Oct 2, 2011, at 9:20 AM, Matthew Chao wrote: > Hi, Folks! Will Fusion 4 run on an Intel Core 2 Duo? I have a MacBook Pro with this chip. Thanks in advance. > > Matthew Chao > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From rose at chicksdigmacs.net Sun Oct 2 16:25:26 2011 From: rose at chicksdigmacs.net (Rose Morales) Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2011 11:25:26 -0400 Subject: Fusion and Intel core 2 Duo In-Reply-To: <8A2B0584-1329-4350-BC50-DED4CE9EAC67@charter.net> References: <8A2B0584-1329-4350-BC50-DED4CE9EAC67@charter.net> Message-ID: <7164C3A2-25DF-4FD8-B6BE-0424379E6ACD@chicksdigmacs.net> You shouldn't need to worry about what processor you're running for any app unless you're running a power PC. as long as you have an intel processor, regardless of type, any app built for os x should run for you. Of course, accessibility is another issue. :) Sent from my iPhone On Oct 2, 2011, at 10:37 AM, Mike Arrigo wrote: > Yes, this should work fine, both of my mac minis havethis chip. > On Oct 2, 2011, at 9:20 AM, Matthew Chao wrote: > >> Hi, Folks! Will Fusion 4 run on an Intel Core 2 Duo? I have a MacBook Pro with this chip. Thanks in advance. >> >> Matthew Chao >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From moriond at mac.com Sun Oct 2 16:29:36 2011 From: moriond at mac.com (Esther) Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2011 05:29:36 -1000 Subject: Upgrading Fusion Under Lion In-Reply-To: <0LSF000OXZ52U3E2@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> References: <0LSE00BVN4KXK6W0@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net> <5936FE8B-B750-4C2B-9D9F-91DB8398FC8B@gmail.com> <0LSE00FGE8ZTPVT1@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> <402173AB-FA73-4C68-A64E-92E378A51E95@tznet.com> <0LSE007H5MOHUR23@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> <75010262-13EF-4757-A8E5-0266A35C738B@mac.com> <0LSF000OXZ52U3E2@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <967C8646-E087-4745-82E7-4F8FC1923EA8@mac.com> Hi Matthew, The command to route your mouse cursor to your VoiceOver cursor is VO-Command-F5. You can also have VoiceOver check what is under the mouse and report it to you with VO-F5. Cheers, Esther On Oct 2, 2011, at 04:05, Matthew Chao wrote: > Hi, Esther. Looks like I have to route the mouse to the VO cursor. How do I do that and get to the "double-click to upgrade"? Thansk. > > Matthew Chao > > At 04:49 PM 10/1/2011, you wrote: >> Hi Matthew, >> >> John's advice to do VO-Shift-Space executes a (software) mouse click. To double click you would hold down the Control, Option, and Shift keys and then tap the space bar twice. Occasionally software clicks do not work and you have to actually click with your trackpad or mouse (after making sure that your mouse cursor is routed to your VoiceOver cursor). The Numpad Commander assignment for a Mouse Click (pressing the "5" key on the Numpad) always seems to have the same status as a hardware click. (That is, it will work in the few situations where VO-Shift-Space does not, equivalent to physically clicking with a Mouse or Trackpad.) >> >> HTH. Cheers, >> >> Esther >> >> On Oct 1, 2011, at 10:38, Matthew Chao wrote: >> >> > What does vo-shift-space do? >> > >> > Matthew Chao >> > >> > At 03:19 PM 10/1/2011, you wrote: >> >> Hello: >> >> >> >> Actually you need to do VO-shift-space. >> >> >> >> >> >> On Oct 1, 2011, at 10:43 AM, Matthew Chao wrote: >> >> >> >> > Hello. Am still having trouble. Perhaps I'm missing something: >> >> > >> >> > 1. I went to the downloads folder. >> >> > >> >> > 2. found the dmg file for Fusion. >> >> > >> >> > 3. Went to File Menu and specified mount disk. >> >> > >> >> > 4. Went into the mounted disk and went through the steps to upgrade. Nothing happening? What am I missing? I'm frustrated. >> >> > >> >> > Matthew Chao >> >> > >> >> > At 10:14 AM 10/1/2011, you wrote: >> >> >> i just did VO space and command tab to it >> >> >> >> >> >> On Oct 1, 2011, at 3:07 PM, Matthew Chao wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> > Hi, Folks. I'm sorry if this has already been covered, but I haven't had a chance to upgrade Fusion to Version 4 under Lion. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Anyway, when I mounted the unew Fusion, it said to double-click to upgrade from version 3. How do I do that? I tried hitting enter, vo-space, Quicknav for enter, but no luck. What do I need to do to get this right? Thanks in advance. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Matthew Chao >> >> >> > >> >> >> > From mmaslo1964 at swbell.net Sun Oct 2 18:33:47 2011 From: mmaslo1964 at swbell.net (michael maslo) Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2011 12:33:47 -0500 Subject: games Message-ID: Hi list: Was wondering if anyone knows some games which are accessible for the mac? thanks in advance From marrie12 at gmail.com Sun Oct 2 19:17:35 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2011 11:17:35 -0700 Subject: card games for the mac In-Reply-To: <51057907-6D6B-4D98-901A-E17794E8F7E2@swbell.net> References: <51057907-6D6B-4D98-901A-E17794E8F7E2@swbell.net> Message-ID: Ther'es rs games. They have some card games and they are quite fun. Take care. On Oct 2, 2011, at 6:26 AM, michael maslo wrote: > Hi list: > > Are there any card games which work on the mac? > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From marrie12 at gmail.com Sun Oct 2 19:18:34 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2011 11:18:34 -0700 Subject: Selecting email In-Reply-To: <450BBF51-C09C-40A3-8775-5C1259B086DD@Mac-Access.net> References: <9182084100748606621@unknownmsgid> <82E6AF6B-6E9C-4078-B16E-F3175AE20D68@mac-access.net> <450BBF51-C09C-40A3-8775-5C1259B086DD@Mac-Access.net> Message-ID: Keep in mind optin up and down arrow used to work in the mail boxes list and the message list to go to the top of the list or the bottom, but that broke in lion. Take care. On Oct 2, 2011, at 6:23 AM, Eric Caron wrote: > Hi Margaret, > > If you are asking about mail in Mac then in addition to selecting messages as James explained you can go quickly to the top or bottom of the email list by pressing VO FN shift left arrow or right arrow. On a extended keyboard it is VO Shift Home or End. > > On the iPhone, if that is what you are asking select multiple messages by using the edit button then double tap to select the messages then you can delete them by pressing the delete button at the bottom of the screen. > > Not sure how to quickly go to the top or bottom in mail on the iPhone. Hope this answered the question you wanted to ask. > > eRic Caron > On Oct 2, 2011, at 5:57 AM, James AUSTIN wrote: > >> Hi Margaret, >> >> If you want to delete messages that are one under the other, you can simply use shift+Up and Down arrow after you interact with the messages table. Alternatively, if you want to delete messages that are not immediately following one another, after you interact with the messages able, you can use VO+Command+Space to select your first message and then use the VO+Up and Down to locate the next message and again press VO+Command+Space. Do this for all the messages you wish to select. You can then delete them or copy them etc. >> >> HTH >> TC :) >> James >> On 2 Oct 2011, at 09:19, Margaret Booth wrote: >> >>> How do you select a group of emails so I can delete them? Also what is >>> the shortcuts to move from the top to the bottom of my emails and back >>> again >>> Margaret >>> >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>> >>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>> . >>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From marrie12 at gmail.com Sun Oct 2 19:19:24 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2011 11:19:24 -0700 Subject: ratings in iTunes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2738C1AD-005A-4D58-8E1F-9D548CE74458@gmail.com> Yeah. control click on the track you want to set the raiting to, or hit vo shift m if you are insteracted wiht th etable and go to ratings. Take care. On Oct 2, 2011, at 6:14 AM, Jonathan Tyrer wrote: > How do people set ratings in iTunes? > > I navigate to the item in the table, move to the rating cell, go to > the menu, file, rating sub-menu and use the down-arrow key to move to > the rating I want and press enter. > > Is there an easier way to do this? > > JT > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From marrie12 at gmail.com Sun Oct 2 19:20:17 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2011 11:20:17 -0700 Subject: Contacts in mail In-Reply-To: References: <1414577892906619825@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: Hmm I just hit enter and thenspace, or just space. I have never had to hit the cama key. Take care ll. On Oct 2, 2011, at 4:26 AM, Marcy Weinberg wrote: > Your contacts are located in the address book app. There you can view all of your contacts, and add new contacts. > > When sending an email, type the first address in the to field. If the address is in the address book, the correct address should auto-fill in. Keep typing until the address you ant comes up in the field. > > To add additional addresses, you can place a comma and space and then type in the next address and so on. This can be done in the to field, the cc field, and/or the bcc field. > > On Oct 2, 2011, at 4:10 AM, Margaret Booth wrote: > > Can someone tell me how to add a contact to a new email and to open my > contacts? Also how do I add a new contact. I have lion. > Margaret > > > Sent from my iPhone > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > > > -- > Marcy > marcy.weinberg1 at gmail.com > > > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From marrie12 at gmail.com Sun Oct 2 19:21:39 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2011 11:21:39 -0700 Subject: Muting/Unmuting Speech With Lion In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I dunno how to change that jesture but a 3 finger double tap will mute and unmute speech. Alternativly you can set up in the keyboard commander for eample right option v to mute and unmute speech. Take care all. On Oct 1, 2011, at 5:28 PM, Jane wrote: > I have been trying to figure out the Trackpad commander. I've even had some small success with it. Command-flick-left to open Safari, for instance--I managed to set it up that way. > > I am having one problem though. This trackpad seems to be so darned sensitive! If I touch it, sometimes it's taken to be a tripple-tap or whatever it is, to mute speech, and I have to keep randomly tapping it, trying to figure out how to get it back on. > > Is there any way to change that gesture to make it more ... well ... difficult? Or is there a way to disable it, and maybe only use a keyboard command or gthe quicknav? For that matter, is there a way to keep from jumping in and out of this message body? I'm not even sure what I'm doing to make it do that. > > Any thoughts on this fun/interesting/frustrating trackpad welcome. > > Jane > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From marrie12 at gmail.com Sun Oct 2 19:43:03 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2011 11:43:03 -0700 Subject: Mac Gems: Padlock lets you lock your screen using the keyboard Message-ID: <230F7ED5-5376-4158-B92F-95F2A85C81EC@gmail.com> Now this is an interesting little jem I found. Mac Gems: Padlock lets you lock your screen using the keyboard Padlock lets you lock your Mac's screen, either by putting the display to sleep or by starting the screensaver, using the keyboard. http://macw.us/r2VCsX From helianthe at mac-access.net Sun Oct 2 19:45:41 2011 From: helianthe at mac-access.net (Lyn & Twinny) Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2011 20:45:41 +0200 Subject: games In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <73BDE25A-932A-43A4-B589-FB0AAAEB4FC5@mac-access.net> I know there is a chess game in the apps folder, I seem to remember someone saying that it was accessible. There are also those RS games but other than that, I don't think there are that many accessible games for the mac?correct me if I am wrong?smile. Lyn, Canelle & Epi On Oct 2, 2011, at 7:33 PM, michael maslo wrote: > Hi list: > > Was wondering if anyone knows some games which are accessible for the mac? > thanks in advance > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > ********** You can contact me in the following ways: email: helianthe at mac-access.net msn: lyn.bordeaux33 at gmail.com skype: keanemaniac facebook: www.facebook.com/lyn.bordeaux33 I am now also on twitter: www.twitter.com/mickymac2010 Please say who you are if asking to share details, thank you. From tsiegel at softcon.com Sun Oct 2 20:53:44 2011 From: tsiegel at softcon.com (Travis Siegel) Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2011 15:53:44 -0400 Subject: spread sheet program In-Reply-To: <472F105E-197E-4BC4-B1CA-F664AC548D07@swbell.net> References: <472F105E-197E-4BC4-B1CA-F664AC548D07@swbell.net> Message-ID: <9BF4025A-5894-44C8-A034-3F2D411D9D7E@softcon.com> Tables is one that a lot of folks have used successfully with vo. I use one called sc, but I never share with others, so I don't need to worry about compatibility. Sc runs in terminal, and the one I ported was shamelessly swiped from a slackware distribution of linux, and can be found on my softcon pages at http://mac.softcon.com under the unix link. Tables can be found at: http://www.x-tables.eu/more/overview.html There's a 30-day trial, and if I remember correctly, it's something like 30 bucks to register (I've not done so, since sc meets my needs) hth From tsiegel at softcon.com Sun Oct 2 21:23:33 2011 From: tsiegel at softcon.com (Travis Siegel) Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2011 16:23:33 -0400 Subject: games In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <376425B5-3A0F-420A-9AD1-89AE7989A257@softcon.com> I have a yahtzee game for osx located at: http://mac.softcon.com You can check out all the mac programs there, including the games folder, which contains yahtzee, and some I ported from other oses. Enjoy. On Oct 2, 2011, at 1:33 PM, michael maslo wrote: > Hi list: > > Was wondering if anyone knows some games which are accessible for > the mac? > thanks in advance > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac- > access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access > forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, > virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by > visiting the list website at: > From jonathan.tyrer at gmail.com Sun Oct 2 21:44:11 2011 From: jonathan.tyrer at gmail.com (Jonathan Tyrer) Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2011 21:44:11 +0100 Subject: anything like screen curtains for the Mac? Message-ID: i recently got an iMac and am wondering if there is anything like iOS feature screen curtains? JT From lewiscrack at googlemail.com Sun Oct 2 21:49:12 2011 From: lewiscrack at googlemail.com (Lewis Crack) Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2011 21:49:12 +0100 Subject: anything like screen curtains for the Mac? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3CF47824-AC0E-4616-8EB9-19E4DE3ABA91@googlemail.com> Hi Jonathan. Well, there is the "Hide visuals". You activate this by pressing VO plus F11. This seems to be available in Snow Leopard, but not in Lion. there may be another command, but not sure. If you have a trackpad, which MacBook Pros do, you can use the same gesture as the iPhone. Regards. Lewis. On 2 Oct 2011, at 21:44, Jonathan Tyrer wrote: > i recently got an iMac and am wondering if there is anything like iOS > feature screen curtains? > > JT > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From juanitatighan at gmail.com Sun Oct 2 21:57:18 2011 From: juanitatighan at gmail.com (Jane) Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2011 16:57:18 -0400 Subject: anything like screen curtains for the Mac? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <25451735-B3F0-45CF-866B-F00FFF7241C3@gmail.com> Just do a three-finger tripple-tap. It will toggle the screen curtain. Jane On Oct 2, 2011, at 4:44 PM, Jonathan Tyrer wrote: > i recently got an iMac and am wondering if there is anything like iOS > feature screen curtains? > > JT > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From zkline at speedpost.net Sun Oct 2 22:01:07 2011 From: zkline at speedpost.net (Zachary Kline) Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2011 14:01:07 -0700 Subject: anything like screen curtains for the Mac? In-Reply-To: <3CF47824-AC0E-4616-8EB9-19E4DE3ABA91@googlemail.com> References: <3CF47824-AC0E-4616-8EB9-19E4DE3ABA91@googlemail.com> Message-ID: Hi LEwis and all, There is actually another command for the screen curtain. It's vo-shift-f11. Hide visuals is vo-cmd-f11, not just vo-f11 on its own. Hope this helps, Zack. On Oct 2, 2011, at 1:49 PM, Lewis Crack wrote: > Hi Jonathan. > > Well, there is the "Hide visuals". You activate this by pressing VO plus F11. > This seems to be available in Snow Leopard, but not in Lion. > there may be another command, but not sure. > If you have a trackpad, which MacBook Pros do, you can use the same gesture as the iPhone. > Regards. > Lewis. > On 2 Oct 2011, at 21:44, Jonathan Tyrer wrote: > >> i recently got an iMac and am wondering if there is anything like iOS >> feature screen curtains? >> >> JT >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From marrie12 at gmail.com Sun Oct 2 22:59:00 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2011 14:59:00 -0700 Subject: anything like screen curtains for the Mac? In-Reply-To: <3CF47824-AC0E-4616-8EB9-19E4DE3ABA91@googlemail.com> References: <3CF47824-AC0E-4616-8EB9-19E4DE3ABA91@googlemail.com> Message-ID: <29D8B2D7-4878-495E-A787-8F6F4F0C42FF@gmail.com> Huh? vo shift f11 works in lion. I just did it. Take care all. Sarah Alawami If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com website: http://music.marrie.org Podcast: http://tffp.marrie.org/podcast youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 On Oct 2, 2011, at 1:49 PM, Lewis Crack wrote: > Hi Jonathan. > > Well, there is the "Hide visuals". You activate this by pressing VO plus F11. > This seems to be available in Snow Leopard, but not in Lion. > there may be another command, but not sure. > If you have a trackpad, which MacBook Pros do, you can use the same gesture as the iPhone. > Regards. > Lewis. > On 2 Oct 2011, at 21:44, Jonathan Tyrer wrote: > >> i recently got an iMac and am wondering if there is anything like iOS >> feature screen curtains? >> >> JT >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From marrie12 at gmail.com Sun Oct 2 22:59:39 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2011 14:59:39 -0700 Subject: anything like screen curtains for the Mac? In-Reply-To: References: <3CF47824-AC0E-4616-8EB9-19E4DE3ABA91@googlemail.com> Message-ID: <311FF59F-82F2-43DE-A314-60E765C27AFE@gmail.com> Ah thanks for reminding me of that one. I don't know what the hide vissuals does as I don't use it. thanks. On Oct 2, 2011, at 2:01 PM, Zachary Kline wrote: > Hi LEwis and all, > There is actually another command for the screen curtain. It's vo-shift-f11. Hide visuals is vo-cmd-f11, not just vo-f11 on its own. > Hope this helps, > Zack. > On Oct 2, 2011, at 1:49 PM, Lewis Crack wrote: > >> Hi Jonathan. >> >> Well, there is the "Hide visuals". You activate this by pressing VO plus F11. >> This seems to be available in Snow Leopard, but not in Lion. >> there may be another command, but not sure. >> If you have a trackpad, which MacBook Pros do, you can use the same gesture as the iPhone. >> Regards. >> Lewis. >> On 2 Oct 2011, at 21:44, Jonathan Tyrer wrote: >> >>> i recently got an iMac and am wondering if there is anything like iOS >>> feature screen curtains? >>> >>> JT >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>> >>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>> . >>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From velocity.focus66 at virginmedia.com Sun Oct 2 23:33:39 2011 From: velocity.focus66 at virginmedia.com (Red.Falcon) Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2011 23:33:39 +0100 Subject: anything like screen curtains for the Mac? In-Reply-To: <311FF59F-82F2-43DE-A314-60E765C27AFE@gmail.com> References: <3CF47824-AC0E-4616-8EB9-19E4DE3ABA91@googlemail.com> <311FF59F-82F2-43DE-A314-60E765C27AFE@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5D1A6CEB-FBA4-409C-A2C3-B875288D3EFD@virginmedia.com> Hi there! It is just vo+f11 to hide visuals and what that does is hide the vo cursor and panel from sighted people! And just in case some of you who use some vision! vo+f10 will tile the vo cursor so it is the only visible thing on the screen! and the rest will be darkened [ some low vision people might like it! ] hth Colin! On 2 Oct 2011, at 22:59, Sarah Alawami wrote: > Ah thanks for reminding me of that one. I don't know what the hide visuals does as I don't use it. > > thanks. > On Oct 2, 2011, at 2:01 PM, Zachary Kline wrote: > >> Hi LEwis and all, >> There is actually another command for the screen curtain. It's vo-shift-f11. Hide visuals is vo-cmd-f11, not just vo-f11 on its own. >> Hope this helps, >> Zack. >> On Oct 2, 2011, at 1:49 PM, Lewis Crack wrote: >> >>> Hi Jonathan. >>> >>> Well, there is the "Hide visuals". You activate this by pressing VO plus F11. >>> This seems to be available in Snow Leopard, but not in Lion. >>> there may be another command, but not sure. >>> If you have a trackpad, which MacBook Pros do, you can use the same gesture as the iPhone. >>> Regards. >>> Lewis. >>> On 2 Oct 2011, at 21:44, Jonathan Tyrer wrote: >>> >>>> i recently got an iMac and am wondering if there is anything like iOS >>>> feature screen curtains? >>>> >>>> JT >>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>>> >>>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>>> . >>>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>>> >>>> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>> >>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>> >>> >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>> >>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>> . >>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From zkline at speedpost.net Sun Oct 2 23:35:25 2011 From: zkline at speedpost.net (Zachary Kline) Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2011 15:35:25 -0700 Subject: anything like screen curtains for the Mac? In-Reply-To: <5D1A6CEB-FBA4-409C-A2C3-B875288D3EFD@virginmedia.com> References: <3CF47824-AC0E-4616-8EB9-19E4DE3ABA91@googlemail.com> <311FF59F-82F2-43DE-A314-60E765C27AFE@gmail.com> <5D1A6CEB-FBA4-409C-A2C3-B875288D3EFD@virginmedia.com> Message-ID: <312BDC8C-8B0D-48C8-86C0-883326D184A7@speedpost.net> Hi, I beg to differ. I just tested on Lion, and vo-f11 does not hide visuals. vo-cmd-f11 does, as I said previously. Best, Zack. On Oct 2, 2011, at 3:33 PM, Red.Falcon wrote: > Hi there! > It is just vo+f11 to hide visuals and what that does is hide the vo cursor and panel from sighted people! > And just in case some of you who use some vision! > vo+f10 will tile the vo cursor so it is the only visible thing on the screen! > and the rest will be darkened [ some low vision people might like it! ] > hth Colin! > > On 2 Oct 2011, at 22:59, Sarah Alawami wrote: > >> Ah thanks for reminding me of that one. I don't know what the hide visuals does as I don't use it. >> >> thanks. >> On Oct 2, 2011, at 2:01 PM, Zachary Kline wrote: >> >>> Hi LEwis and all, >>> There is actually another command for the screen curtain. It's vo-shift-f11. Hide visuals is vo-cmd-f11, not just vo-f11 on its own. >>> Hope this helps, >>> Zack. >>> On Oct 2, 2011, at 1:49 PM, Lewis Crack wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Jonathan. >>>> >>>> Well, there is the "Hide visuals". You activate this by pressing VO plus F11. >>>> This seems to be available in Snow Leopard, but not in Lion. >>>> there may be another command, but not sure. >>>> If you have a trackpad, which MacBook Pros do, you can use the same gesture as the iPhone. >>>> Regards. >>>> Lewis. >>>> On 2 Oct 2011, at 21:44, Jonathan Tyrer wrote: >>>> >>>>> i recently got an iMac and am wondering if there is anything like iOS >>>>> feature screen curtains? >>>>> >>>>> JT >>>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>>> >>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>> >>>>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>>>> >>>>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>>>> . >>>>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>>> >>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>>> >>>> >>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>>> >>>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>>> . >>>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>>> >>>> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>> >>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>> >>> >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>> >>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>> . >>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From juanitatighan at gmail.com Sun Oct 2 23:41:54 2011 From: juanitatighan at gmail.com (Jane) Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2011 18:41:54 -0400 Subject: Drag And Drop With Lion Message-ID: I am testing drag and Drop. I have a disc image that I want to move from my Downloads folder to my Mac Programs Disc Images folder. I select the disc with vo-comma. I then navigate to the folder I want to drop into and hit vo-shift-period. It says that the marked file is not available. Any thoughts? Jane From velocity.focus66 at virginmedia.com Sun Oct 2 23:42:19 2011 From: velocity.focus66 at virginmedia.com (Red.Falcon) Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2011 23:42:19 +0100 Subject: anything like screen curtains for the Mac? In-Reply-To: <312BDC8C-8B0D-48C8-86C0-883326D184A7@speedpost.net> References: <3CF47824-AC0E-4616-8EB9-19E4DE3ABA91@googlemail.com> <311FF59F-82F2-43DE-A314-60E765C27AFE@gmail.com> <5D1A6CEB-FBA4-409C-A2C3-B875288D3EFD@virginmedia.com> <312BDC8C-8B0D-48C8-86C0-883326D184A7@speedpost.net> Message-ID: Hi Zack! This could be a snowy kitty Vs Lion thing! So in snowy kitty I get hide visuals with vo+f11! Please Zack tell me your using Lion! Because if your not then I do not know what's happening and that command is the one listed in my vo+h+h list! Oh well happy days! And you have a good one! Colin On 2 Oct 2011, at 23:35, Zachary Kline wrote: > Hi, > I beg to differ. I just tested on Lion, and vo-f11 does not hide visuals. vo-cmd-f11 does, as I said previously. > Best, > Zack. > On Oct 2, 2011, at 3:33 PM, Red.Falcon wrote: > >> Hi there! >> It is just vo+f11 to hide visuals and what that does is hide the vo cursor and panel from sighted people! >> And just in case some of you who use some vision! >> vo+f10 will tile the vo cursor so it is the only visible thing on the screen! >> and the rest will be darkened [ some low vision people might like it! ] >> hth Colin! >> >> On 2 Oct 2011, at 22:59, Sarah Alawami wrote: >> >>> Ah thanks for reminding me of that one. I don't know what the hide visuals does as I don't use it. >>> >>> thanks. >>> On Oct 2, 2011, at 2:01 PM, Zachary Kline wrote: >>> >>>> Hi LEwis and all, >>>> There is actually another command for the screen curtain. It's vo-shift-f11. Hide visuals is vo-cmd-f11, not just vo-f11 on its own. >>>> Hope this helps, >>>> Zack. >>>> On Oct 2, 2011, at 1:49 PM, Lewis Crack wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi Jonathan. >>>>> >>>>> Well, there is the "Hide visuals". You activate this by pressing VO plus F11. >>>>> This seems to be available in Snow Leopard, but not in Lion. >>>>> there may be another command, but not sure. >>>>> If you have a trackpad, which MacBook Pros do, you can use the same gesture as the iPhone. >>>>> Regards. >>>>> Lewis. >>>>> On 2 Oct 2011, at 21:44, Jonathan Tyrer wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> i recently got an iMac and am wondering if there is anything like iOS >>>>>> feature screen curtains? >>>>>> >>>>>> JT >>>>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>>>> >>>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>>> >>>>>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>>>>> >>>>>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>>>>> . >>>>>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>>>> >>>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>>> >>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>> >>>>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>>>> >>>>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>>>> . >>>>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>>> >>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>>> >>>> >>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>>> >>>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>>> . >>>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>>> >>>> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>> >>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>> >>> >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>> >>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>> . >>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From edworrell at bresnan.net Sun Oct 2 23:44:50 2011 From: edworrell at bresnan.net (Ed Worrell) Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2011 16:44:50 -0600 Subject: games In-Reply-To: <376425B5-3A0F-420A-9AD1-89AE7989A257@softcon.com> References: <376425B5-3A0F-420A-9AD1-89AE7989A257@softcon.com> Message-ID: Hello Travis, I have to tried to download the yachtzee game and the link on the website errers out Ed From velocity.focus66 at virginmedia.com Sun Oct 2 23:46:13 2011 From: velocity.focus66 at virginmedia.com (Red.Falcon) Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2011 23:46:13 +0100 Subject: anything like screen curtains for the Mac? In-Reply-To: <312BDC8C-8B0D-48C8-86C0-883326D184A7@speedpost.net> References: <3CF47824-AC0E-4616-8EB9-19E4DE3ABA91@googlemail.com> <311FF59F-82F2-43DE-A314-60E765C27AFE@gmail.com> <5D1A6CEB-FBA4-409C-A2C3-B875288D3EFD@virginmedia.com> <312BDC8C-8B0D-48C8-86C0-883326D184A7@speedpost.net> Message-ID: <5E3F63CB-6C3B-405E-ABC1-3769CFF96A25@virginmedia.com> I just noticed your using Lion! That will teach me to read properly! hahahahahaha :] Colin Hi Zack! This could be a snowy kitty Vs Lion thing! So in snowy kitty I get hide visuals with vo+f11! Please Zack tell me your using Lion! Because if your not then I do not know what's happening and that command is the one listed in my vo+h+h list! Oh well happy days! And you have a good one! Colin On 2 Oct 2011, at 23:35, Zachary Kline wrote: > Hi, > I beg to differ. I just tested on Lion, and vo-f11 does not hide visuals. vo-cmd-f11 does, as I said previously. > Best, > Zack. > On Oct 2, 2011, at 3:33 PM, Red.Falcon wrote: > >> Hi there! >> It is just vo+f11 to hide visuals and what that does is hide the vo cursor and panel from sighted people! >> And just in case some of you who use some vision! >> vo+f10 will tile the vo cursor so it is the only visible thing on the screen! >> and the rest will be darkened [ some low vision people might like it! ] >> hth Colin! >> >> On 2 Oct 2011, at 22:59, Sarah Alawami wrote: >> >>> Ah thanks for reminding me of that one. I don't know what the hide visuals does as I don't use it. >>> >>> thanks. >>> On Oct 2, 2011, at 2:01 PM, Zachary Kline wrote: >>> >>>> Hi LEwis and all, >>>> There is actually another command for the screen curtain. It's vo-shift-f11. Hide visuals is vo-cmd-f11, not just vo-f11 on its own. >>>> Hope this helps, >>>> Zack. >>>> On Oct 2, 2011, at 1:49 PM, Lewis Crack wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi Jonathan. >>>>> >>>>> Well, there is the "Hide visuals". You activate this by pressing VO plus F11. >>>>> This seems to be available in Snow Leopard, but not in Lion. >>>>> there may be another command, but not sure. >>>>> If you have a trackpad, which MacBook Pros do, you can use the same gesture as the iPhone. >>>>> Regards. >>>>> Lewis. >>>>> On 2 Oct 2011, at 21:44, Jonathan Tyrer wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> i recently got an iMac and am wondering if there is anything like iOS >>>>>> feature screen curtains? >>>>>> >>>>>> JT >>>>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>>>> >>>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>>> >>>>>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>>>>> >>>>>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>>>>> . >>>>>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>>>> >>>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>>> >>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>> >>>>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>>>> >>>>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>>>> . >>>>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>>> >>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>>> >>>> >>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>>> >>>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>>> . >>>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>>> >>>> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>> >>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>> >>> >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>> >>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>> . >>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From zkline at speedpost.net Sun Oct 2 23:46:55 2011 From: zkline at speedpost.net (Zachary Kline) Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2011 15:46:55 -0700 Subject: anything like screen curtains for the Mac? In-Reply-To: References: <3CF47824-AC0E-4616-8EB9-19E4DE3ABA91@googlemail.com> <311FF59F-82F2-43DE-A314-60E765C27AFE@gmail.com> <5D1A6CEB-FBA4-409C-A2C3-B875288D3EFD@virginmedia.com> <312BDC8C-8B0D-48C8-86C0-883326D184A7@speedpost.net> Message-ID: <12750FE3-D167-4C7C-848D-9CABAB3EF941@speedpost.net> Hi Colin, I suspect it is definitely a snowy vs. Lion thing. I have been running Lion since it came out, haven't touched Snowy in quite a long time. Best, Zack. On Oct 2, 2011, at 3:42 PM, Red.Falcon wrote: > Hi Zack! > This could be a snowy kitty Vs Lion thing! > So in snowy kitty I get hide visuals with vo+f11! > Please Zack tell me your using Lion! > Because if your not then I do not know what's happening and that command is the one listed in my vo+h+h list! > Oh well happy days! > And you have a good one! > Colin > > On 2 Oct 2011, at 23:35, Zachary Kline wrote: > >> Hi, >> I beg to differ. I just tested on Lion, and vo-f11 does not hide visuals. vo-cmd-f11 does, as I said previously. >> Best, >> Zack. >> On Oct 2, 2011, at 3:33 PM, Red.Falcon wrote: >> >>> Hi there! >>> It is just vo+f11 to hide visuals and what that does is hide the vo cursor and panel from sighted people! >>> And just in case some of you who use some vision! >>> vo+f10 will tile the vo cursor so it is the only visible thing on the screen! >>> and the rest will be darkened [ some low vision people might like it! ] >>> hth Colin! >>> >>> On 2 Oct 2011, at 22:59, Sarah Alawami wrote: >>> >>>> Ah thanks for reminding me of that one. I don't know what the hide visuals does as I don't use it. >>>> >>>> thanks. >>>> On Oct 2, 2011, at 2:01 PM, Zachary Kline wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi LEwis and all, >>>>> There is actually another command for the screen curtain. It's vo-shift-f11. Hide visuals is vo-cmd-f11, not just vo-f11 on its own. >>>>> Hope this helps, >>>>> Zack. >>>>> On Oct 2, 2011, at 1:49 PM, Lewis Crack wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi Jonathan. >>>>>> >>>>>> Well, there is the "Hide visuals". You activate this by pressing VO plus F11. >>>>>> This seems to be available in Snow Leopard, but not in Lion. >>>>>> there may be another command, but not sure. >>>>>> If you have a trackpad, which MacBook Pros do, you can use the same gesture as the iPhone. >>>>>> Regards. >>>>>> Lewis. >>>>>> On 2 Oct 2011, at 21:44, Jonathan Tyrer wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> i recently got an iMac and am wondering if there is anything like iOS >>>>>>> feature screen curtains? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> JT >>>>>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>>>>>> . >>>>>>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>>>> >>>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>>> >>>>>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>>>>> >>>>>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>>>>> . >>>>>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>>>> >>>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>>> >>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>> >>>>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>>>> >>>>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>>>> . >>>>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>>> >>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>>> >>>> >>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>>> >>>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>>> . >>>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>>> >>>> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>> >>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>> >>> >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>> >>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>> . >>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From marrie12 at gmail.com Sun Oct 2 23:56:10 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2011 15:56:10 -0700 Subject: Drag And Drop With Lion In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I believe you have to have both windows open so start a new finder window and navagate, but I'm not good at the drag and dro thing so can't really help you much. Sorry. On Oct 2, 2011, at 3:41 PM, Jane wrote: > I am testing drag and Drop. I have a disc image that I want to move from my Downloads folder to my Mac Programs Disc Images folder. I select the disc with vo-comma. I then navigate to the folder I want to drop into and hit vo-shift-period. It says that the marked file is not available. > > Any thoughts? > > Jane > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From margaretebooth at gmail.com Mon Oct 3 00:40:10 2011 From: margaretebooth at gmail.com (Margaret Booth) Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 10:40:10 +1100 Subject: Help with address book Message-ID: <-540173408368332792@unknownmsgid> I have lion on my Mack book pro What I want to know is how do I download my contacts off the gmail site and add them to my address book on my Mack. Is there any apps that could do that for me or help me to do this Margaret Sent from my iPhone From n0oxy at charter.net Mon Oct 3 01:03:58 2011 From: n0oxy at charter.net (Mike Arrigo) Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2011 19:03:58 -0500 Subject: anything like screen curtains for the Mac? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <81F923B7-0F73-439B-80E8-184017CE20D9@charter.net> Yes, try pressing control option shift F11, that's the screen curtain option for the mac. On Oct 2, 2011, at 3:44 PM, Jonathan Tyrer wrote: > i recently got an iMac and am wondering if there is anything like iOS > feature screen curtains? > > JT > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From stuartyoung at samobile.net Mon Oct 3 01:13:28 2011 From: stuartyoung at samobile.net (Stuart Young) Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 01:13:28 +0100 Subject: web design software Message-ID: <5F9D759B-453E-4215-9DEA-9475DA293A73@samobile.net> Hi all. I am looking at designing my own website, and I am searching for A package that is similar to iWeb, that is able to be used with voice over. any help that you can provide would be great. I am currently using Drupal. Regards. Stuart. From mmaslo1964 at swbell.net Mon Oct 3 02:37:41 2011 From: mmaslo1964 at swbell.net (michael maslo) Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2011 20:37:41 -0500 Subject: rss games & the mac Message-ID: <452AE5A1-78C6-4401-9825-71CBB09591E5@swbell.net> Hi list: Is there anyone who plays the rss games and the mac? I am trying to run the game but getting a error. It says to open the console but I don't understand on how or what to do to make the game client work. Any help would be appreciated. From marrie12 at gmail.com Mon Oct 3 04:16:51 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2011 20:16:51 -0700 Subject: rss games & the mac In-Reply-To: <452AE5A1-78C6-4401-9825-71CBB09591E5@swbell.net> References: <452AE5A1-78C6-4401-9825-71CBB09591E5@swbell.net> Message-ID: <6FDF070A-5B97-47AC-8CBF-7888D6F4D597@gmail.com> there's a bug with monopoly and yatsy right now that they cannot currently fix but you should only need to create your account and then start the app and follow the prompts. I've never seen anything with the consul all the time I've used the mac a. Take care. On Oct 2, 2011, at 6:37 PM, michael maslo wrote: > Hi list: > > Is there anyone who plays the rss games and the mac? > > I am trying to run the game but getting a error. It says to open the console but I don't understand on how or what to do to make the game client work. > > Any help would be appreciated. > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From marrie12 at gmail.com Mon Oct 3 04:17:35 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2011 20:17:35 -0700 Subject: web design software In-Reply-To: <5F9D759B-453E-4215-9DEA-9475DA293A73@samobile.net> References: <5F9D759B-453E-4215-9DEA-9475DA293A73@samobile.net> Message-ID: I think marz edit should be able to work with drubel. I use it for my wordpress sight and I don't need to do hardly any coding. The price is also right, around $40 and well worth it. Take care. On Oct 2, 2011, at 5:13 PM, Stuart Young wrote: > Hi all. > I am looking at designing my own website, and I am searching for A package that is similar to iWeb, that is able to be used with voice over. > any help that you can provide would be great. > I am currently using Drupal. > Regards. > Stuart. > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From marrie12 at gmail.com Mon Oct 3 04:18:38 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2011 20:18:38 -0700 Subject: Help with address book In-Reply-To: <-540173408368332792@unknownmsgid> References: <-540173408368332792@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: You should be able to eathe rsynch them and that you do through prefs or you can probably export the google contacts from the sight to a vcard file and import all the contacts that way. Take care. On Oct 2, 2011, at 4:40 PM, Margaret Booth wrote: > I have lion on my Mack book pro What I want to know is how do I > download my contacts off the gmail site and add them to my address > book on my Mack. Is there any apps that could do that for me or help > me to do this > Margaret > > > Sent from my iPhone > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From mmaslo1964 at swbell.net Mon Oct 3 04:19:37 2011 From: mmaslo1964 at swbell.net (michael maslo) Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2011 22:19:37 -0500 Subject: rss games & the mac In-Reply-To: <6FDF070A-5B97-47AC-8CBF-7888D6F4D597@gmail.com> References: <452AE5A1-78C6-4401-9825-71CBB09591E5@swbell.net> <6FDF070A-5B97-47AC-8CBF-7888D6F4D597@gmail.com> Message-ID: <09EA2689-0831-44FC-A815-3565D2485175@swbell.net> Well I can't follow the prompts for I am getting errors when I try to launch it. It says that the RSS has no windows. I can't do anything at all. On Oct 2, 2011, at 10:16 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote: > there's a bug with monopoly and yatsy right now that they cannot currently fix but you should only need to create your account and then start the app and follow the prompts. I've never seen anything with the consul all the time I've used the mac a. > > Take care. > On Oct 2, 2011, at 6:37 PM, michael maslo wrote: > >> Hi list: >> >> Is there anyone who plays the rss games and the mac? >> >> I am trying to run the game but getting a error. It says to open the console but I don't understand on how or what to do to make the game client work. >> >> Any help would be appreciated. >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From marrie12 at gmail.com Mon Oct 3 05:03:29 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2011 21:03:29 -0700 Subject: rss games & the mac In-Reply-To: <09EA2689-0831-44FC-A815-3565D2485175@swbell.net> References: <452AE5A1-78C6-4401-9825-71CBB09591E5@swbell.net> <6FDF070A-5B97-47AC-8CBF-7888D6F4D597@gmail.com> <09EA2689-0831-44FC-A815-3565D2485175@swbell.net> Message-ID: <8EF3BF88-51B0-44F6-B941-35FAFEFABD71@gmail.com> Ok try reinstalling the app but reboot before you attemt the reinstall. and if that does not work contact the rs games team. rsgames at gmail.com. Take care. On Oct 2, 2011, at 8:19 PM, michael maslo wrote: > Well I can't follow the prompts for I am getting errors when I try to launch it. It says that the RSS has no windows. I can't do anything at all. > On Oct 2, 2011, at 10:16 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote: > >> there's a bug with monopoly and yatsy right now that they cannot currently fix but you should only need to create your account and then start the app and follow the prompts. I've never seen anything with the consul all the time I've used the mac a. >> >> Take care. >> On Oct 2, 2011, at 6:37 PM, michael maslo wrote: >> >>> Hi list: >>> >>> Is there anyone who plays the rss games and the mac? >>> >>> I am trying to run the game but getting a error. It says to open the console but I don't understand on how or what to do to make the game client work. >>> >>> Any help would be appreciated. >>> >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>> >>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>> . >>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From marrie12 at gmail.com Mon Oct 3 05:47:06 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2011 21:47:06 -0700 Subject: is there an easier way to create playlists in mac oss Message-ID: <8FDEE663-1AE6-4874-AAE0-73F3A605D94B@gmail.com> Ok I use cog player to create playlists but there's got to be a better way as I often forget to insert stuff and you cannot drag and drop with cog player. and I don't want to use itunes even though it works. any suggestions? From kevinchao89 at gmail.com Mon Oct 3 11:37:36 2011 From: kevinchao89 at gmail.com (Kevin Chao) Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 05:37:36 -0500 Subject: Google chrome In-Reply-To: <4F986A8F-CFAF-4C05-B1D8-D67A8749F24D@hopewell.org.uk> References: <4F986A8F-CFAF-4C05-B1D8-D67A8749F24D@hopewell.org.uk> Message-ID: Navigate your Documents List with a screen reader https://docs.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=1631662 Use Google documents with a screen reader https://docs.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=1632201 Kevin On 10/1/11, Paul Hopewell wrote: > Hello, > Following recent posts I am playing with Google chrome with chrome-vox and > google docs. I am currently finding it very confusing and would appreciate > any pointer to some good beginners documentation. > > I have a Google account and I have installed the standard Google chrome (not > chrome canary) and have chrome-vox and google docs installed. Google chrome > now generates lots of mysterious sounds and often speaks in my default voice > (not the voice I am using for VoiceOver). In many cases the screen info is > inaccessible using standard VO keys but is accessible using tab and arrow > keys which cause Google chrome to speak in my default voice. At present it > is all very confusing. > > Should I have installed chrome canary rather than the standard chrome? I see > that chrome canary is the latest nightly untested chrome build and I saw > several posts about it frequently crashing. Hence I have so far avoided it. > > What do you chrome enthusiasts recommend I should do and where can I best > read some basic info? I would like to get to the stage of uploading a > Microsoft word document from my iMac local hard disk and then editing it > using chrome. > > Many thanks for any tips.... > > Paul Hopewell > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at > either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus > and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting > the list website at: > > From margaretebooth at gmail.com Mon Oct 3 12:46:28 2011 From: margaretebooth at gmail.com (Margaret Booth) Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 22:46:28 +1100 Subject: Suggestion for word processors Message-ID: <8454734586111340956@unknownmsgid> What other apps or program are there for word processing programs and what are they called for a Mack book pro? Margaret Sent from my iPhone From grtdane at internode.on.net Mon Oct 3 13:07:15 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 23:07:15 +1100 Subject: Suggestion for word processors In-Reply-To: <8454734586111340956@unknownmsgid> References: <8454734586111340956@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: A matter of purely personal opinion this one but my favourite by far is Nisus Writer Pro, a link was posted to a most interesting and detailed review of the software on list not all that long ago when the new version was launched. Another 2 word processing packages I've used are Open Office and Pages, Open Office wasn't too bad but it could be a little fiddly to use in some parts. Pages again in my view was very much overrated when it came to accessibility, I didn't like the layout of the software and I spent 3 quarters of my time trying to get various functions to work. With Nisus Writer Pro, everything to me seemed logically laid out and where it should be in a word processor, I could perform just about every operation I required on a document with shortcut keys and keystrokes in seconds and this to me stands out with this software as its more productive for me to be using keystrokes and shortcut key combinations than it is to say with Pages go wandering about the programe trying to get basic things like numbering styles to work. Again, the above is only my personal experiences and I encourage you to try each Word Processing package to see what best suits you. On 03/10/2011, at 10:46 PM, Margaret Booth wrote: > What other apps or program are there for word processing programs and > what are they called for a Mack book pro? > Margaret > > > Sent from my iPhone > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From mike at busboom.at Mon Oct 3 13:16:34 2011 From: mike at busboom.at (Michael Busboom) Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 14:16:34 +0200 Subject: Google chrome In-Reply-To: References: <4F986A8F-CFAF-4C05-B1D8-D67A8749F24D@hopewell.org.uk> Message-ID: Hello Kevin or anyone else, I haven't been following the Google accessibility threads at all because I didn't figure I would need to use any of the Google apps. However, I heard that the Google browser worked with BlackBoard, and if this is true, this is very important for me. Could someone please tell me what I need to download in order for the Google apps to work on my Mac Book running Lion? As far as BlackBoard is concerned, can anyone tell me if it is possible with the Google browser to reliably work with the discussion boards for individual university classes? Thank you, Mike On 3,Oct,2011, at 12:37 PM, Kevin Chao wrote: > Navigate your Documents List with a screen reader > https://docs.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=1631662 > > Use Google documents with a screen reader > https://docs.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=1632201 > > Kevin > > On 10/1/11, Paul Hopewell wrote: >> Hello, >> Following recent posts I am playing with Google chrome with chrome-vox and >> google docs. I am currently finding it very confusing and would appreciate >> any pointer to some good beginners documentation. >> >> I have a Google account and I have installed the standard Google chrome (not >> chrome canary) and have chrome-vox and google docs installed. Google chrome >> now generates lots of mysterious sounds and often speaks in my default voice >> (not the voice I am using for VoiceOver). In many cases the screen info is >> inaccessible using standard VO keys but is accessible using tab and arrow >> keys which cause Google chrome to speak in my default voice. At present it >> is all very confusing. >> >> Should I have installed chrome canary rather than the standard chrome? I see >> that chrome canary is the latest nightly untested chrome build and I saw >> several posts about it frequently crashing. Hence I have so far avoided it. >> >> What do you chrome enthusiasts recommend I should do and where can I best >> read some basic info? I would like to get to the stage of uploading a >> Microsoft word document from my iMac local hard disk and then editing it >> using chrome. >> >> Many thanks for any tips.... >> >> Paul Hopewell >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to >> mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at >> either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus >> and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting >> the list website at: >> >> > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From grtdane at internode.on.net Mon Oct 3 13:38:11 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2011 23:38:11 +1100 Subject: 1 Password, now we're really getting somewhere Message-ID: <4E89ACB3.6020805@internode.on.net> Subject line says it all really. Just playing with the latest update to 1 Password and the safari extension and what a huge! difference over what we've been using, the functionality we all knew in the software is coming back to life it seems. For example I can now go to the login page of a web site and press command-\, the 1 Password safari extension is launched, I can then enter my "Master Password" and - assuming I have a login saved in 1 Password for the page I'm on - 1 Password logs me in automatically as it should, there have been question marks about this "auto login" feature and problems with it for a little while now in particular since the release of Lion several months ago. I'm yet to do some serious tinkering with the Safari 1 Password extension so I'm not really all thatf familiar with it yet and how it works but this first step in my view is a great sign and thanks again to the developers for listening and acting upon problems found and reported. I know I'm not the only one on list providing feedback so thanks to everyone else who has taken the time to post on the Forums, to Twitter etc. -- Dane Trethowan Sending email from his EEEPC Netbook From marrie12 at gmail.com Mon Oct 3 15:57:13 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 07:57:13 -0700 Subject: mail reseting the splitters and hents no message area Message-ID: <360D3C73-5F3F-4095-8CBB-3F3A3CD39983@gmail.com> Hello. For the past few days now mail has been reseting the splitters so my message area disappears and I cannot just tab to it. Since i like doing everything with one hand this would be a good idea for me to have my message content area back so I can tab between the message list and content area when reading messages. I have had to remove the mail pref file twice now and don't reel like doing this a third time as setting up my account will not be fun, again. Any suggestions? Using os lion here. From geoff.waaler at gmail.com Mon Oct 3 15:59:25 2011 From: geoff.waaler at gmail.com (Geoff Waaler) Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 10:59:25 -0400 Subject: Google chrome References: <4F986A8F-CFAF-4C05-B1D8-D67A8749F24D@hopewell.org.uk> Message-ID: <42328FD89F9C414ABA4C860096376947@YOURZ8KUJVJGKY> Hi Mike, I'll forward Kevin's very informative recent post below. Bare in mind that Canary is the latest build which is essentially beta. If stability is a priority you might want to follow the normal path for obtaining Chrome rather than the link Kevin provided. Voiceover works with Chrome, but with the same bugs (i.e. unidentified links, slow responsiveness, etc) that are ever present in Lion and Safari. For that reason you'll probably want to use ChromeVox. Many here have gotten this working, but I have not yet been so fortunate. As yet noone has been able to offer any suggestions for me on either this or the accessibleGoogle list. Therefore, if my experience is a guide, you'll be SOL in the event you run into difficulty that is not addressed by the documentation. Anyway, I will repost my situation, followed by Kevin's. Best regards, Geoff ----- Original Message ----- From: Geoff Waaler To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility Sent: Friday, September 30, 2011 6:34 PM Subject: Installing Chromevox. Greetings, Hopefully Zack or another subscriber found a workaround. I installed GoogleChrome version 14.0.835.186 dated Sept 19 2011. Next, I opened chrome://flags and enabled experimental APIS. I relaunched Chrome and verified my flag setting, however when ever I attempt to open chromevox_2011-08-26.crx I respond yes to the Chrome dialog admonishing that extensions can kill me, and always receive the following: Package is invalid. Details: 'Loading extensions with 'experimental' permission requires --enable-experimental-extension-apis command line flag.'. I am running Lion 10.7.1. Any/all suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Thanks and best regards. Geoff ----- Original Message ----- From: Kevin Chao To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 9:01 PM Subject: Google Chrome, ChromeVox, and Apps Google is very committed, understanding, and has done an incredible job with accessibility. In particular, Chrome, ChromeVox (Chrome extension), Apps (Docs [documents/spreadsheets], Calendar, and Gmail). This package results in a very effective, efficient, powerful, and top-notch productivity suite. All is needed is Chrome, ChromeVox, and a Gmail/Apps ID. I've been using Google apps, especially documents/spreadsheets for the last several days within Chrome and ChromeVox extension and find it to be great. Please see below for all the links/details needed to get going with a universally accessible, powerful, robust, and first-class productivity suite. Google Chrome Canary (Mac web browser powering ChromeVox/Apps): http://j.mp/oWZ7Of Installing ChromeVox as a packed extension http://j.mp/nmnNR5 ChromeVox User Guide: http://t.co/b9ABBkv Use Google Docs with a screen reader http://goo.gl/cmeHV Google accessibility feedback: http://goo.gl/wePru FYI: new/standard UI/look/view is recommended and will work with Chrome/ChromeVox. Kevin ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael Busboom To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 8:16 AM Subject: Re: Google chrome Hello Kevin or anyone else, I haven't been following the Google accessibility threads at all because I didn't figure I would need to use any of the Google apps. However, I heard that the Google browser worked with BlackBoard, and if this is true, this is very important for me. Could someone please tell me what I need to download in order for the Google apps to work on my Mac Book running Lion? As far as BlackBoard is concerned, can anyone tell me if it is possible with the Google browser to reliably work with the discussion boards for individual university classes? Thank you, Mike On 3,Oct,2011, at 12:37 PM, Kevin Chao wrote: > Navigate your Documents List with a screen reader > https://docs.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=1631662 > > Use Google documents with a screen reader > https://docs.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=1632201 > > Kevin > > On 10/1/11, Paul Hopewell wrote: >> Hello, >> Following recent posts I am playing with Google chrome with chrome-vox and >> google docs. I am currently finding it very confusing and would appreciate >> any pointer to some good beginners documentation. >> >> I have a Google account and I have installed the standard Google chrome (not >> chrome canary) and have chrome-vox and google docs installed. Google chrome >> now generates lots of mysterious sounds and often speaks in my default voice >> (not the voice I am using for VoiceOver). In many cases the screen info is >> inaccessible using standard VO keys but is accessible using tab and arrow >> keys which cause Google chrome to speak in my default voice. At present it >> is all very confusing. >> >> Should I have installed chrome canary rather than the standard chrome? I see >> that chrome canary is the latest nightly untested chrome build and I saw >> several posts about it frequently crashing. Hence I have so far avoided it. >> >> What do you chrome enthusiasts recommend I should do and where can I best >> read some basic info? I would like to get to the stage of uploading a >> Microsoft word document from my iMac local hard disk and then editing it >> using chrome. >> >> Many thanks for any tips.... >> >> Paul Hopewell >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to >> mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at >> either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus >> and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting >> the list website at: >> >> > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: or at the public Mail Archive: . Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From hopewell at hopewell.org.uk Mon Oct 3 18:48:10 2011 From: hopewell at hopewell.org.uk (Paul Hopewell) Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 18:48:10 +0100 Subject: Google chrome In-Reply-To: References: <4F986A8F-CFAF-4C05-B1D8-D67A8749F24D@hopewell.org.uk> Message-ID: <590B39E4-8A7E-46DB-B18C-2A572BE483D3@hopewell.org.uk> HI Kevin, Many thanks for the attached references to helpful documents on how to use Google docs. I finally found some good help and a tutorial on how to use ChromeVox. At first I did not realise that it is a complete screen reader for the Google Chrome environment and that you first have to turn VoiceOver off to avoid confusion. There are a vast number of good shortcut keys to control ChromeVox but one problem I have not yet solved is the need to keep the ChromeVox keys Control+Option keys pressed while you tap in turn the two or more keys required to enter the required ChromeVox keyboard shortcut. I noticed that there is a sticky key feature which suggested that a double tap of the Insert key would lock the ChromeVox keys on. However I am not sure which Insert key and I have not gotten this to work. Have you solved this problem? Many thanks. Paul Hopewell On 3 Oct 2011, at 11:37, Kevin Chao wrote: > Navigate your Documents List with a screen reader > https://docs.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=1631662 > > Use Google documents with a screen reader > https://docs.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=1632201 > > Kevin > > On 10/1/11, Paul Hopewell wrote: >> Hello, >> Following recent posts I am playing with Google chrome with chrome-vox and >> google docs. I am currently finding it very confusing and would appreciate >> any pointer to some good beginners documentation. >> >> I have a Google account and I have installed the standard Google chrome (not >> chrome canary) and have chrome-vox and google docs installed. Google chrome >> now generates lots of mysterious sounds and often speaks in my default voice >> (not the voice I am using for VoiceOver). In many cases the screen info is >> inaccessible using standard VO keys but is accessible using tab and arrow >> keys which cause Google chrome to speak in my default voice. At present it >> is all very confusing. >> >> Should I have installed chrome canary rather than the standard chrome? I see >> that chrome canary is the latest nightly untested chrome build and I saw >> several posts about it frequently crashing. Hence I have so far avoided it. >> >> What do you chrome enthusiasts recommend I should do and where can I best >> read some basic info? I would like to get to the stage of uploading a >> Microsoft word document from my iMac local hard disk and then editing it >> using chrome. >> >> Many thanks for any tips.... >> >> Paul Hopewell >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to >> mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at >> either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus >> and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting >> the list website at: >> >> > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > > From juanitatighan at gmail.com Mon Oct 3 19:07:22 2011 From: juanitatighan at gmail.com (Jane) Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 14:07:22 -0400 Subject: Virtual Machines On MacBook Pro Message-ID: <148B3C5C-1BC6-48C2-BD1B-92180B107EB1@gmail.com> The MacBook Pro has 4 GB of RAM and almost 300 GB free. Is it worth installing a VM of, say, Windows? I only want to do this for some web surfing for a job search, and possibly a ittle game play. How well would Virtual Box work for this? I mean as a VM? Jane From lynne at mac-access.net Mon Oct 3 19:24:39 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 19:24:39 +0100 Subject: Virtual Machines On MacBook Pro In-Reply-To: <148B3C5C-1BC6-48C2-BD1B-92180B107EB1@gmail.com> References: <148B3C5C-1BC6-48C2-BD1B-92180B107EB1@gmail.com> Message-ID: <28112358-01C1-46DB-BD92-6FD4DB02F5F9@mac-access.net> Jane Your VM will work fine. As for Windows it's off topic for this group so I'm not going to answer to that one. :) Lynne On 3 Oct 2011, at 19:07, Jane wrote: The MacBook Pro has 4 GB of RAM and almost 300 GB free. Is it worth installing a VM of, say, Windows? I only want to do this for some web surfing for a job search, and possibly a ittle game play. How well would Virtual Box work for this? I mean as a VM? From juanitatighan at gmail.com Mon Oct 3 23:45:22 2011 From: juanitatighan at gmail.com (Jane) Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 18:45:22 -0400 Subject: Automator Question Message-ID: I am putting together an Automator action to turn text into audio files, encode them as different file types, and then import them into iTunes and set song info. I forgot to add an extra encode type. Is ther a way to add an action within the workflow, or do I have to undo all the actions past where I want to add one, then re-add? Jane From mmaslo1964 at swbell.net Tue Oct 4 01:02:10 2011 From: mmaslo1964 at swbell.net (michael maslo) Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 19:02:10 -0500 Subject: help with bookmarks Message-ID: Hi list: I have a list of bookmarks with safari. I don't for the life of me understand how to select a bookmark and then go to the bookmark. I find a link I want but then after that I do not know what todo. Please help for I am past frustrate. From ianandriggs at googlemail.com Tue Oct 4 01:07:18 2011 From: ianandriggs at googlemail.com (Ian McNamara) Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 01:07:18 +0100 Subject: help with bookmarks In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi go to the apple menu with vo and m and go along with your right arro till you get to bookmarks then go to the folder that the book marks are in and pres right arrow on it then go down to the bookmark you want and press enter. From mmaslo1964 at swbell.net Tue Oct 4 01:35:27 2011 From: mmaslo1964 at swbell.net (michael maslo) Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 19:35:27 -0500 Subject: I lost a page Message-ID: <5F377C35-3D95-4BCE-80DF-4E2D18FBF9FE@swbell.net> Hi list: A gentlemen by the name of Travis I believe posted his page for yahtzee and a few other programs. Can you please repost that page for me? I lost it somehow. Also I tried to download the yahtzeeame but I got 404 page not found error. Any help would be appreciated.g From ianandriggs at googlemail.com Tue Oct 4 01:55:32 2011 From: ianandriggs at googlemail.com (Ian McNamara) Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 01:55:32 +0100 Subject: audasity. Message-ID: <8661390C-E2BB-4A30-95CD-7A7D0458C0D9@googlemail.com> Hi all been trying audasity out but when i open it i just see two scrowl bars that are dimbed and a menu to choose your imput sorce how do i go about recording a track as i can't work it out. thanks very much. Ian McNamara From eric_caron at Mac-Access.net Tue Oct 4 02:48:24 2011 From: eric_caron at Mac-Access.net (Eric Caron) Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 21:48:24 -0400 Subject: Dropbox help and beta location Message-ID: <2FF70CFD-5B91-4110-8028-65E4E3FB3EEF@Mac-Access.net> Hi listers, I'm using Lyon and am having Dropbox trouble. I can not find the Dropbox option item in the context menu in the public folder. thus I can't send a file that way. Also my shared folders seem to no longer be working. I fixed this problem many weeks ago by installing a Beta. Now it seems all broken again. Is there a newer Beta out there? I would love a link or a web site. I went to dropbox but did not see the beta. I tried the current version there but my computer said it was a older version when I went to put it into my applications folder. So I did not use it, Any dropbox tips for me? Or, a lead on where the latest beta is hiding? eric Caron From tsiegel at softcon.com Tue Oct 4 03:12:47 2011 From: tsiegel at softcon.com (Travis Siegel) Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 22:12:47 -0400 Subject: web design software In-Reply-To: <5F9D759B-453E-4215-9DEA-9475DA293A73@samobile.net> References: <5F9D759B-453E-4215-9DEA-9475DA293A73@samobile.net> Message-ID: <97546A9D-F27A-41CD-A4CC-DC9547012E5E@softcon.com> If you know html well, and don't mind tweaking html, then taco html editor is a great editor. It has helper applets with it, so that you can insert prebuilt bits of code (such as tables, forms, and the like) It's not really all that expensive (24.95, and upgrades are free. It works well with voiceover, but it's not an editor you can use effectively if you're not familiar with html coding already, but if you are good with html code, then taco html editor is just what the doctor ordered. You can find it at: http://www.tacosw.com I like to use it, because it has a live preview frame, so you can change your code, and watch its effect on the generated output right away. It's also an excellent php editor as well, so I use it regularly for nearly all of my web sites. It's worth checking out, just to see how well it works, even if you're not an old hand with html code, since it's such a smooth integration of browsing and coding. You may just be surprised by how easy it is to generate pages even if you only know a little html coding. It's not integrated with drupal or anything like that (as far as I know) but since I write my own sites with php, for me, this isn't a consideration. So, anyway, I've rambled enough, it comes with a 30-day trial, so you can try it out to see if it suits your purposes, so have at it. :) From mmaslo1964 at swbell.net Tue Oct 4 03:22:58 2011 From: mmaslo1964 at swbell.net (michael maslo) Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 21:22:58 -0500 Subject: mud client for the mac Message-ID: Hi list: Can someone tell me if there is a mud client that works well with voice over and the mac? I am looking for something where you can add triggers and alias and such. Any help will be appreciated. From tsiegel at softcon.com Tue Oct 4 03:48:00 2011 From: tsiegel at softcon.com (Travis Siegel) Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 22:48:00 -0400 Subject: Suggestion for word processors In-Reply-To: <8454734586111340956@unknownmsgid> References: <8454734586111340956@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: <0E71A265-426C-48A7-907A-3FFFF7D40403@softcon.com> In addition to the ones already listed, there's text edit (which is a whole lot more than just a text editor, and it comes with the os), there's bean which you can find at: http://www.bean-osx.com/Bean.html which works well with vo, and handles most things you'd need to do with word processing packages, but it's a little lightweight, so won't do if you're working onheavy duty reports, term papers, or the like, but still works very well for most other types of editing. Libre Office is an offshoot of open office, with a lot of the same limitations, but it does work, and can be found at: http://www.libreoffice.org/ And, I tried one some time ago I can't recall the name of, but it worked well too, though the name escapes me at the moment, simultron or something similar. I'd go hunting for it, but it's time for me to go to sleep, I'm having trouble staying awake long enough to type this reply, so more later. hth. From tsiegel at softcon.com Tue Oct 4 03:52:44 2011 From: tsiegel at softcon.com (Travis Siegel) Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 22:52:44 -0400 Subject: mud client for the mac In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <79561759-D8F8-4608-8A15-6E47EE2C4374@softcon.com> The one I use is called muddle, and you can find it at the softocn pages located at: http://mac.softcon.com (under the terminal applications) I'm working on adding both mip and mcp protocols to it, but having trouble with the wrap around buffer it uses for it's text output, it likes to dump the entire buffer from time to time on my testing copy. :) The version posted at the site doesn't have the enhancements though, so it's just your basic mud client, with triggers, aliases, and multiple window support. The only problem (that I've not fixed yet) is you need to use the mud's ip address when you enter it into the connect list, not the host name itself. I'll get that fixed too after I solve the buffer wrap around issues. :) hth. (btw, it's terminal only, but leopard and above all talk just fine in terminal, so there should be no issues unless you're using tiger). From kevinchao89 at gmail.com Tue Oct 4 03:54:41 2011 From: kevinchao89 at gmail.com (Kevin Chao) Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 21:54:41 -0500 Subject: Fwd: ChromeVox is now on the Chrome Web Store! In-Reply-To: <15103039.761.1317687833231.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@prib32> References: <15103039.761.1317687833231.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@prib32> Message-ID: This is wonderful, fantastic, and awesome! It will resolve 99.99% of installation/initial setup issues. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: rshearer Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 17:23:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: ChromeVox is now on the Chrome Web Store! To: axs-chrome-discuss at googlegroups.com Hi everybody, I've mentioned this on a couple threads already, but I thought I would make an announcement to the group... We just added ChromeVox to the Chrome Web Store! Hooray! Here are some of the advantages to installing ChromeVox from the Web Store: - You'll get automatic updates - Version numbers mean something - We have a fancy new icon :) I updated the Installation Instructions here: http://code.google.com/p/google-axs-chrome/wiki/InstallingChromeVox and they describe how to download it from the Web Store. Here is the quick version: 1) Make sure you're running Chrome 14 or higher 2) Uninstall any previous version of ChromeVox 3) Go to the ChromeVox page in the Chrome Web Store: https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/kgejglhpjiefppelpmljglcjbhoiplfn 4) Click on the "Add to Chrome" button 5) A dialog should pop up titled "Confirm Installation" that lists the permissions that ChromeVox needs. We have a wiki page now about why we need these permissions if you're interested: http://code.google.com/p/google-axs-chrome/wiki/PermissionsGuide . Click on the "Install" button to complete the installation process. 6) Yay, ChromeVox is now installed! From moriond at mac.com Tue Oct 4 04:28:50 2011 From: moriond at mac.com (Esther) Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2011 03:28:50 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Automator Question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <33ba7094-972e-c456-989e-e65fb297cc95@me.com> Hi Jane, You can reorder Automator actions in the workflow area by using Command+Up arrow to move up and Command+Down arrow to move down. ?So for instance, if you add an action to the end of your work flow that you want to move up to be the second action in the workflow. Move your VoiceOver cursor to the last action and route your Mouse cursor to your VoiceOver cursor (VO-Command-F5) if you don't have your cursors tracking. Select the action by clicking (VO-Shift-Space). (VoiceOver will announce the name of the action you've selectec.) Then press Command+Up arrow. VoiceOver will say "Move Up" and shift the action to the next to the last place in the current workflow list of actions. ?If you want to continue to move the action up, press Command+Up arrow again. ?Similarly, you can select an action with this method and move it down with Command+Down arrow. These options and their shortcut key sequence are listed under the "Action" menu of the Automator menu bar. HTH. ?Cheers, Esther? On Oct 03, 2011, at 12:45 PM, Jane wrote: I am putting together an Automator action to turn text into audio files, encode them as different file types, and then import them into iTunes and set song info. I forgot to add an extra encode type. Is ther a way to add an action within the workflow, or do I have to undo all the actions past where I want to add one, then re-add? Jane From mmaslo1964 at swbell.net Tue Oct 4 04:25:40 2011 From: mmaslo1964 at swbell.net (michael maslo) Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 22:25:40 -0500 Subject: mud client for the mac In-Reply-To: <79561759-D8F8-4608-8A15-6E47EE2C4374@softcon.com> References: <79561759-D8F8-4608-8A15-6E47EE2C4374@softcon.com> Message-ID: <31137C83-E855-4A7F-8FAA-063E901F66F4@swbell.net> Hi, to connect using muddle do I need to use the ip address now? Also is there a manual I can read to learn how to create triggers and alias? If I could learn how to do that I would be willing to use this all the time. Will you let us know when it is ready or when you have finished updating this terminal? Thanks in advance. On Oct 3, 2011, at 9:52 PM, Travis Siegel wrote: > The one I use is called muddle, and you can find it at the softocn pages located at: > http://mac.softcon.com (under the terminal applications) > I'm working on adding both mip and mcp protocols to it, but having trouble with the wrap around buffer it uses for it's text output, it likes to dump the entire buffer from time to time on my testing copy. :) The version posted at the site doesn't have the enhancements though, so it's just your basic mud client, with triggers, aliases, and multiple window support. The only problem (that I've not fixed yet) is you need to use the mud's ip address when you enter it into the connect list, not the host name itself. I'll get that fixed too after I solve the buffer wrap around issues. > :) > hth. > (btw, it's terminal only, but leopard and above all talk just fine in terminal, so there should be no issues unless you're using tiger). > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From mmaslo1964 at swbell.net Tue Oct 4 05:10:59 2011 From: mmaslo1964 at swbell.net (michael maslo) Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 23:10:59 -0500 Subject: mud client for the mac In-Reply-To: <31137C83-E855-4A7F-8FAA-063E901F66F4@swbell.net> References: <79561759-D8F8-4608-8A15-6E47EE2C4374@softcon.com> <31137C83-E855-4A7F-8FAA-063E901F66F4@swbell.net> Message-ID: <21859E03-E048-458D-8DE4-80B7FB0530A5@swbell.net> Hi Travis: I just looked at your mud client again and I am sorry but I do not understand on how to connect it at all. I went to new connection and typed in squidsoft.net 7777 but that did not work. It was hard to find a ip for it. Is this what I am supposed to do? On Oct 3, 2011, at 10:25 PM, michael maslo wrote: > Hi, to connect using muddle do I need to use the ip address now? > > Also is there a manual I can read to learn how to create triggers and alias? > > If I could learn how to do that I would be willing to use this all the time. Will you let us know when it is ready or when you have finished updating this terminal? > > Thanks in advance. > On Oct 3, 2011, at 9:52 PM, Travis Siegel wrote: > >> The one I use is called muddle, and you can find it at the softocn pages located at: >> http://mac.softcon.com (under the terminal applications) >> I'm working on adding both mip and mcp protocols to it, but having trouble with the wrap around buffer it uses for it's text output, it likes to dump the entire buffer from time to time on my testing copy. :) The version posted at the site doesn't have the enhancements though, so it's just your basic mud client, with triggers, aliases, and multiple window support. The only problem (that I've not fixed yet) is you need to use the mud's ip address when you enter it into the connect list, not the host name itself. I'll get that fixed too after I solve the buffer wrap around issues. >> :) >> hth. >> (btw, it's terminal only, but leopard and above all talk just fine in terminal, so there should be no issues unless you're using tiger). >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From michaelandjeanie at aapt.net.au Tue Oct 4 06:21:11 2011 From: michaelandjeanie at aapt.net.au (Michael Fridey) Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 16:21:11 +1100 Subject: lion question. Message-ID: <80A1FEDC-627D-4D09-9FCD-62D87301D21E@aapt.net.au> Hi guys can you tell me in os lion if their is ment to be a text imput option in the menu when you press vo m twice. Cheers Michael. From lynne at mac-access.net Tue Oct 4 08:07:18 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 08:07:18 +0100 Subject: web design software In-Reply-To: <97546A9D-F27A-41CD-A4CC-DC9547012E5E@softcon.com> References: <5F9D759B-453E-4215-9DEA-9475DA293A73@samobile.net> <97546A9D-F27A-41CD-A4CC-DC9547012E5E@softcon.com> Message-ID: Hello Travis Firstly, I believe that the original enquiry was whether there is an accessible alternative to iWeb which, sadly, it seems not. We play with Sandvox now and then, but it's problem is that it isn't interchangeable with other editors which is just plain silly as far as we're concerned. Have you got Taco to effectively function with tables and forms? We find that in the case of tables, it appears to add a lot of unnecessary clutter. But we haven't managed to get it to do anything at all with forms which is a shame; because currently that aspect of design is proving to be a pretty major stumbling block in a project Gordon's working on. Lynne On 4 Oct 2011, at 03:12, Travis Siegel wrote: If you know html well, and don't mind tweaking html, then taco html editor is a great editor. It has helper applets with it, so that you can insert prebuilt bits of code (such as tables, forms, and the like) It's not really all that expensive (24.95, and upgrades are free. It works well with voiceover, but it's not an editor you can use effectively if you're not familiar with html coding already, but if you are good with html code, then taco html editor is just what the doctor ordered. You can find it at: http://www.tacosw.com I like to use it, because it has a live preview frame, so you can change your code, and watch its effect on the generated output right away. It's also an excellent php editor as well, so I use it regularly for nearly all of my web sites. It's worth checking out, just to see how well it works, even if you're not an old hand with html code, since it's such a smooth integration of browsing and coding. You may just be surprised by how easy it is to generate pages even if you only know a little html coding. It's not integrated with drupal or anything like that (as far as I know) but since I write my own sites with php, for me, this isn't a consideration. So, anyway, I've rambled enough, it comes with a 30-day trial, so you can try it out to see if it suits your purposes, so have at it. :) From lynne at mac-access.net Tue Oct 4 08:11:52 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 08:11:52 +0100 Subject: Gentle Reminder; Please do not forward messages like this; [Was Re: ChromeVox is now on the Chrome Web Store!] In-Reply-To: References: <15103039.761.1317687833231.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@prib32> Message-ID: I understand why this is exciting and appealing to some. However, please do not forward messages in this way. This behaviour is covered explicitly in the list policy document. We would appreciate compliance. Yes, I know it's often easy to forget; so this is only a gentle reminder. Lynne From geoff.waaler at gmail.com Tue Oct 4 08:22:08 2011 From: geoff.waaler at gmail.com (Geoff Waaler) Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 03:22:08 -0400 Subject: Dropbox help and beta location References: <2FF70CFD-5B91-4110-8028-65E4E3FB3EEF@Mac-Access.net> Message-ID: <456BAAB5326D406CBC27F199C2516CCF@YOURZ8KUJVJGKY> Hi Eric, About six weeks ago I installed DropBox 1.1.43 which was then the current public release. Following these lists I was under the impression that I would need to install a beta, but perhaps their accessibility improvements made it to the public release by the time I finally took off my SendSpace blinders and decided to give DropBox a try. As you probably already know, you need to install from the disk image, but so far that was my only glitch. You probably already tried this but I noticed that interacting with the file affects my available choices in the context menu. After interacting with a file in my public folder, and pressing vo-shift-m for the context menu, I see a dropbox submenu which includes an option to copy the file link within. If this is not showing up for you, perhaps you might want to try reinstalling DropBox from scratch? Best regards. Geoff ----- Original Message ----- From: Eric Caron To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 9:48 PM Subject: Dropbox help and beta location Hi listers, I'm using Lyon and am having Dropbox trouble. I can not find the Dropbox option item in the context menu in the public folder. thus I can't send a file that way. Also my shared folders seem to no longer be working. I fixed this problem many weeks ago by installing a Beta. Now it seems all broken again. Is there a newer Beta out there? I would love a link or a web site. I went to dropbox but did not see the beta. I tried the current version there but my computer said it was a older version when I went to put it into my applications folder. So I did not use it, Any dropbox tips for me? Or, a lead on where the latest beta is hiding? eric Caron <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: or at the public Mail Archive: . Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From lynne at mac-access.net Tue Oct 4 08:35:58 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 08:35:58 +0100 Subject: Disk Images Message-ID: Hello everybody Does anybody happen to know whether there's any way of reconstituting the contents of a ".DAA" disk image and writing it to media using OS X? I have a couple of them here but I'm not sure we can do anything with them because we currently can't get access to any alternative OS. Lynne From geoff.waaler at gmail.com Tue Oct 4 09:01:45 2011 From: geoff.waaler at gmail.com (Geoff Waaler) Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 04:01:45 -0400 Subject: ChromeVox is now on the Chrome Web Store! References: <15103039.761.1317687833231.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@prib32> Message-ID: <16E1425887DF42818ACB88381DDC084C@YOURZ8KUJVJGKY> Hi Kevin, Thanks so much for this as it did indeed resolve my ChromeVOX issue on Lion posted in detail on Friday. You've clearly been doing an excellent job testing and thoroughly documenting issues for Google, and thanks to your efforts this may finally result in a viable browsing option on MacOS. Best regards and keep up the great work! Geoff ----- Original Message ----- From: Kevin Chao To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 10:54 PM Subject: Fwd: ChromeVox is now on the Chrome Web Store! This is wonderful, fantastic, and awesome! It will resolve 99.99% of installation/initial setup issues. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: rshearer Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 17:23:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: ChromeVox is now on the Chrome Web Store! To: axs-chrome-discuss at googlegroups.com Hi everybody, I've mentioned this on a couple threads already, but I thought I would make an announcement to the group... We just added ChromeVox to the Chrome Web Store! Hooray! Here are some of the advantages to installing ChromeVox from the Web Store: - You'll get automatic updates - Version numbers mean something - We have a fancy new icon :) I updated the Installation Instructions here: http://code.google.com/p/google-axs-chrome/wiki/InstallingChromeVox and they describe how to download it from the Web Store. Here is the quick version: 1) Make sure you're running Chrome 14 or higher 2) Uninstall any previous version of ChromeVox 3) Go to the ChromeVox page in the Chrome Web Store: https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/kgejglhpjiefppelpmljglcjbhoiplfn 4) Click on the "Add to Chrome" button 5) A dialog should pop up titled "Confirm Installation" that lists the permissions that ChromeVox needs. We have a wiki page now about why we need these permissions if you're interested: http://code.google.com/p/google-axs-chrome/wiki/PermissionsGuide . Click on the "Install" button to complete the installation process. 6) Yay, ChromeVox is now installed! <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: or at the public Mail Archive: . Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From tracyduffy at nc.rr.com Tue Oct 4 11:02:16 2011 From: tracyduffy at nc.rr.com (Tracy Duffy) Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 06:02:16 -0400 Subject: I need to unsubscribe please In-Reply-To: <02dd01cc7d43$f61899f0$e249cdd0$@gmail.com> References: <02dd01cc7d43$f61899f0$e249cdd0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <350B1FBE-2A3E-4977-B8D7-96D1E342AE46@nc.rr.com> I need to unsubscribe please and I can't seem to find how to do it. Thanks. tracyduffy at nc.rr.com 2 Chronicles 20, 21B: "Give thanks to God, his faithful love endures forever." On Sep 27, 2011, at 2:33 PM, Marcia Yale wrote: > I'm trying again, as I have no idea if this message reached the list the > first time. I still have the question below: > I have tried to find information in Help regarding Exporting Mailboxes. I > seem to have exported a mailbox--I chose the menu item and don't remember > landing on a dialog--it seemed to just do something and go away. Now I want > to find where the mailbox might have gone, and I can't seem to find a > specific help category. I also can't seem to do a text search in the help > system. Can someone please help? I think I could get to like the mail > program if only I can get by these small irritants! > > > Marcia Yale > "Another world is not only possible, she is on her way. On a quiet day I can > hear her breathing."--Arundhati Roy > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From kevinchao89 at gmail.com Tue Oct 4 11:09:37 2011 From: kevinchao89 at gmail.com (Kevin Chao) Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 05:09:37 -0500 Subject: ChromeVox is now on the Chrome Web Store! In-Reply-To: <16E1425887DF42818ACB88381DDC084C@YOURZ8KUJVJGKY> References: <15103039.761.1317687833231.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@prib32> <16E1425887DF42818ACB88381DDC084C@YOURZ8KUJVJGKY> Message-ID: Hi Jeff, You're very welcome. Not only does Chrome and ChromeVox finally make web browsing very viable and possible on Mac OS X. It also brings productivity by way ofDocs, which I've been using a lot for past 2 weeks and it's absolutely wonderful, great, and awesome. From web browsing to productivity and everything in between using Chrome and ChromeVox, it's very productive, effective, and efficient. Google has done an amazing job with accessibility, great their very open to input/feedback, interactive, and willing to address concerns so rapidly. I'll continue to thoroughly test and document any/all issues for Google as it's been a great experience, one I really enjoy, and it's great to see that it benefits so many. Now, ChromeVox is in Chrome web store, I really hope that more will be aware of it, and be able to use it. Kevin On 10/4/11, Geoff Waaler wrote: > Hi Kevin, > > Thanks so much for this as it did indeed resolve my ChromeVOX issue on Lion > posted in detail on Friday. > > You've clearly been doing an excellent job testing and thoroughly > documenting issues for Google, and thanks to your efforts this may finally > result in a viable browsing option on MacOS. > > Best regards and keep up the great work! > Geoff > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Kevin Chao > To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility > Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 10:54 PM > Subject: Fwd: ChromeVox is now on the Chrome Web Store! > > > This is wonderful, fantastic, and awesome! It will resolve 99.99% of > installation/initial setup issues. > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: rshearer > Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 17:23:53 -0700 (PDT) > Subject: ChromeVox is now on the Chrome Web Store! > To: axs-chrome-discuss at googlegroups.com > > Hi everybody, > > I've mentioned this on a couple threads already, but I thought I would > make > an announcement to the group... > > We just added ChromeVox to the Chrome Web Store! Hooray! > > Here are some of the advantages to installing ChromeVox from the Web > Store: > - You'll get automatic updates > - Version numbers mean something > - We have a fancy new icon :) > > I updated the Installation Instructions here: > http://code.google.com/p/google-axs-chrome/wiki/InstallingChromeVox and > they > describe how to download it from the Web Store. > > Here is the quick version: > 1) Make sure you're running Chrome 14 or higher > 2) Uninstall any previous version of ChromeVox > 3) Go to the ChromeVox page in the Chrome Web Store: > https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/kgejglhpjiefppelpmljglcjbhoiplfn > 4) Click on the "Add to Chrome" button > 5) A dialog should pop up titled "Confirm Installation" that lists the > permissions that ChromeVox needs. We have a wiki page now about why we > need > these permissions if you're interested: > http://code.google.com/p/google-axs-chrome/wiki/PermissionsGuide . Click > on > the "Install" button to complete the installation process. > 6) Yay, ChromeVox is now installed! > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum > at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus > and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting > the list website at: > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at > either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus > and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting > the list website at: > > From hopewell at hopewell.org.uk Tue Oct 4 12:05:04 2011 From: hopewell at hopewell.org.uk (Paul Hopewell) Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 12:05:04 +0100 Subject: ChromeVox is now on the Chrome Web Store! In-Reply-To: References: <15103039.761.1317687833231.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@prib32> <16E1425887DF42818ACB88381DDC084C@YOURZ8KUJVJGKY> Message-ID: <4B7C7B20-6AE6-4503-B46C-0AA064001A17@hopewell.org.uk> Hi Kevin, I like your enthusiasm but I am not having as good an experience as you and so wonder if I am doing something wrong. I have installed Chrome Canary and added ChromeVox from the Google web store as you recommend. I am using VoiceOver on Lion 10.7.1 on an iMac with 4GB memory. My problem is the relationship between ChromeVox and VoiceOver. I need to use VoiceOver to get into Chrome in the first place and when in Chrome I have to use VoiceOver to access the Chrome menu bar. When in a web page I often have to tab around a bit to get ChromeVox to talk at all. Once ChromeVox starts talking I have to turn VoiceOver off or it all gets very confusing. Hence a few questions.... First is there a hotkey or the like to start ChromeVox talking when you open a web page? Currently it sometimes talks automatically and it sometimes stays silent. Second can ChromeVox access the menu bar for Chrome? If not then how do you recommend using a mixture of ChromeVox and VoiceOver in a web environment? Third how do you recommend using ChromeVox or a mixture of ChromeVox and VoiceOver to access web sites whose addresses are stored in bookmarks? Many thanks for any tips.... Paul Hopewell From jim.noseworthy at compuconference.com Tue Oct 4 12:26:13 2011 From: jim.noseworthy at compuconference.com (Jim Noseworthy) Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 08:26:13 -0300 Subject: ChromeVox is now on the Chrome Web Store! References: <15103039.761.1317687833231.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@prib32> <16E1425887DF42818ACB88381DDC084C@YOURZ8KUJVJGKY> Message-ID: <7563A4DB1C8943548E41F70DBB7F0563@CNIBnotebook> Hi Folks: What are the advantages of using Chrome? Thanks. From kevinchao89 at gmail.com Tue Oct 4 13:14:53 2011 From: kevinchao89 at gmail.com (Kevin Chao) Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 07:14:53 -0500 Subject: ChromeVox is now on the Chrome Web Store! In-Reply-To: <4B7C7B20-6AE6-4503-B46C-0AA064001A17@hopewell.org.uk> References: <15103039.761.1317687833231.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@prib32> <16E1425887DF42818ACB88381DDC084C@YOURZ8KUJVJGKY> <4B7C7B20-6AE6-4503-B46C-0AA064001A17@hopewell.org.uk> Message-ID: After having used Google Chrome 16 Canary for a bit, I had too many issues, and per recommendation of Google accessibility, I installed Google Chrom 14 stable. The experience, especially responsiveness, stability, and ease of use has increased greatly. SO, I would recommend downloading/installing 14 stable, which will not conflict with 16 Canary and it will actually work as if the two don't know about one another. If you delete 16 Canary, the next recommendation may help a lot more. CMD-SPACE to bring up Spotlight, type Chrome, RETURN, and Chrome will come up talking. At times, the website/homepage will load before ChromeVox does. If so, do a refresh with CMD-R to go to whatever URL by: CMD-L for omnibar, type URL, and RETURN. Note: This entire time, it's not required one has VoiceOver running at all. ChromeVox should speak within a website at all times, given it's in the HTML/web content/area. Once ChromeVox is outside, as you pointed out, such as getting to Chrome menu bar, bookmarks, etc. For this, it's easy enough to toggle On/Off VoiceOver. ChromeVox starts when Chrome does Please note: Chrome/ChromeVox is not a full replacement or substitute for Safari/VoiceOver, but often times, especially within websites that are rich and interactive, such as FaceBook, Google Plus, Docs, Gmail, CourseSmart, Blackboard, etc. Chrome/ChromeVox will perform exceptionally well and much better than VoiceOver/Safari. Tab browsing, views/list etc all work very well with Chrome/ChromeVox. Kevin On 10/4/11, Paul Hopewell wrote: > Hi Kevin, > I like your enthusiasm but I am not having as good an experience as you and > so wonder if I am doing something wrong. > > I have installed Chrome Canary and added ChromeVox from the Google web store > as you recommend. I am using VoiceOver on Lion 10.7.1 on an iMac with 4GB > memory. My problem is the relationship between ChromeVox and VoiceOver. I > need to use VoiceOver to get into Chrome in the first place and when in > Chrome I have to use VoiceOver to access the Chrome menu bar. When in a web > page I often have to tab around a bit to get ChromeVox to talk at all. Once > ChromeVox starts talking I have to turn VoiceOver off or it all gets very > confusing. > > Hence a few questions.... > > First is there a hotkey or the like to start ChromeVox talking when you open > a web page? Currently it sometimes talks automatically and it sometimes > stays silent. > > Second can ChromeVox access the menu bar for Chrome? If not then how do you > recommend using a mixture of ChromeVox and VoiceOver in a web environment? > > Third how do you recommend using ChromeVox or a mixture of ChromeVox and > VoiceOver to access web sites whose addresses are stored in bookmarks? > > Many thanks for any tips.... > > Paul Hopewell > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at > either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus > and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting > the list website at: > > From lynne at mac-access.net Tue Oct 4 13:41:35 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 13:41:35 +0100 Subject: VMWare Fusion 4.0.2; [For The Sake Of Cinvenience] Message-ID: Hi all For the sake of convenience, if anybody wants to download the latest builds of Fusion quickly, you can find it on our software collection at: https://files.mac-access.net/?login=software:software both the light and full builds are here. version 4.0.2. Gordon From gordon at mac-access.net Tue Oct 4 13:43:32 2011 From: gordon at mac-access.net (Gordon Smith) Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 13:43:32 +0100 Subject: Oopse! Message-ID: OK all, my turn now! Lynne will murder me, I accidentally hijack med her account. Sorry about that. You'll find the latest version of Fusion here, plus the version 3.0 and 2.0 final releases. Gordon From support at mac-access.net Tue Oct 4 15:04:30 2011 From: support at mac-access.net (Gordon & Lynne) Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 15:04:30 +0100 Subject: Take Control Clients Message-ID: <199EC6C8-B0B4-459C-9EDA-1D77004D0604@mac-access.net> Hi all After a somewhat awkward time over the last couple of weeks, Lynne and I are more or less on an even keel just now. So we are taking the opportunity to sort out any outstanding issues regarding TC clients. I don't think anybody we know of has anything missing but if you did buy any books recently, please let us know which ones. This is just so that I can compare against our records and make double sure you don't have any missing files. If you do, it will be made right for you, as always happens at Mac Access. So, again, if you've bought books within the last month, send us a list to the support address please. Gordon From orin8722 at gmail.com Tue Oct 4 15:11:36 2011 From: orin8722 at gmail.com (Orin) Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 10:11:36 -0400 Subject: ChromeVox is now on the Chrome Web Store! In-Reply-To: References: <15103039.761.1317687833231.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@prib32> <16E1425887DF42818ACB88381DDC084C@YOURZ8KUJVJGKY> Message-ID: <7F9308C4-9478-4BA3-8414-E4C9ED14312D@gmail.com> I wish there was a way to make it so VO and Chromevox can be ran at the same time. When I click a link in a tweet for instance, I have to turn VO off, read the article and then close Chrome and turn it back on. It's not bad, but still. Also, is there a way to make Chrome save your speech settings like rate etc? Every time I start up Chrome CV launches with the default speech settings. Orin orin8722 at gmail.com Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/orinks Skype: orin1112 On Oct 4, 2011, at 6:09 AM, Kevin Chao wrote: > Hi Jeff, > > You're very welcome. > > Not only does Chrome and ChromeVox finally make web browsing very > viable and possible on Mac OS X. It also brings productivity by way > ofDocs, which I've been using a lot for past 2 weeks and it's > absolutely wonderful, great, and awesome. From web browsing to > productivity and everything in between using Chrome and ChromeVox, > it's very productive, effective, and efficient. > > Google has done an amazing job with accessibility, great their very > open to input/feedback, interactive, and willing to address concerns > so rapidly. > > I'll continue to thoroughly test and document any/all issues for > Google as it's been a great experience, one I really enjoy, and it's > great to see that it benefits so many. Now, ChromeVox is in Chrome web > store, I really hope that more will be aware of it, and be able to use > it. > > Kevin > > On 10/4/11, Geoff Waaler wrote: >> Hi Kevin, >> >> Thanks so much for this as it did indeed resolve my ChromeVOX issue on Lion >> posted in detail on Friday. >> >> You've clearly been doing an excellent job testing and thoroughly >> documenting issues for Google, and thanks to your efforts this may finally >> result in a viable browsing option on MacOS. >> >> Best regards and keep up the great work! >> Geoff >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Kevin Chao >> To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility >> Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 10:54 PM >> Subject: Fwd: ChromeVox is now on the Chrome Web Store! >> >> >> This is wonderful, fantastic, and awesome! It will resolve 99.99% of >> installation/initial setup issues. >> >> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >> From: rshearer >> Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 17:23:53 -0700 (PDT) >> Subject: ChromeVox is now on the Chrome Web Store! >> To: axs-chrome-discuss at googlegroups.com >> >> Hi everybody, >> >> I've mentioned this on a couple threads already, but I thought I would >> make >> an announcement to the group... >> >> We just added ChromeVox to the Chrome Web Store! Hooray! >> >> Here are some of the advantages to installing ChromeVox from the Web >> Store: >> - You'll get automatic updates >> - Version numbers mean something >> - We have a fancy new icon :) >> >> I updated the Installation Instructions here: >> http://code.google.com/p/google-axs-chrome/wiki/InstallingChromeVox and >> they >> describe how to download it from the Web Store. >> >> Here is the quick version: >> 1) Make sure you're running Chrome 14 or higher >> 2) Uninstall any previous version of ChromeVox >> 3) Go to the ChromeVox page in the Chrome Web Store: >> https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/kgejglhpjiefppelpmljglcjbhoiplfn >> 4) Click on the "Add to Chrome" button >> 5) A dialog should pop up titled "Confirm Installation" that lists the >> permissions that ChromeVox needs. We have a wiki page now about why we >> need >> these permissions if you're interested: >> http://code.google.com/p/google-axs-chrome/wiki/PermissionsGuide . Click >> on >> the "Install" button to complete the installation process. >> 6) Yay, ChromeVox is now installed! >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to >> mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum >> at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus >> and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting >> the list website at: >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to >> mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at >> either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus >> and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting >> the list website at: >> >> > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From orin8722 at gmail.com Tue Oct 4 15:13:59 2011 From: orin8722 at gmail.com (Orin) Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 10:13:59 -0400 Subject: ChromeVox is now on the Chrome Web Store! In-Reply-To: <7563A4DB1C8943548E41F70DBB7F0563@CNIBnotebook> References: <15103039.761.1317687833231.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@prib32> <16E1425887DF42818ACB88381DDC084C@YOURZ8KUJVJGKY> <7563A4DB1C8943548E41F70DBB7F0563@CNIBnotebook> Message-ID: <1992A834-BAB8-4BA1-9986-D27CE7DF6C90@gmail.com> Well, it's accessible with Google apps, it's the fastest web browser on the planet, among other things. You have to try it to believe it. Orin orin8722 at gmail.com Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/orinks Skype: orin1112 On Oct 4, 2011, at 7:26 AM, Jim Noseworthy wrote: > Hi Folks: > > What are the advantages of using Chrome? > > Thanks. > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From juanitatighan at gmail.com Tue Oct 4 15:59:07 2011 From: juanitatighan at gmail.com (Jane) Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 10:59:07 -0400 Subject: ChromeVox is now on the Chrome Web Store! In-Reply-To: References: <15103039.761.1317687833231.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@prib32> <16E1425887DF42818ACB88381DDC084C@YOURZ8KUJVJGKY> <4B7C7B20-6AE6-4503-B46C-0AA064001A17@hopewell.org.uk> Message-ID: I am puzzled. Why does Google have a separate screen reader we must use to work with Chrome? Why can't they have it work just as effectively using VoiceOver? Jane On Oct 4, 2011, at 8:14 AM, Kevin Chao wrote: > After having used Google Chrome 16 Canary for a bit, I had too many > issues, and per recommendation of Google accessibility, I installed > Google Chrom 14 stable. The experience, especially responsiveness, > stability, and ease of use has increased greatly. SO, I would > recommend downloading/installing 14 stable, which will not conflict > with 16 Canary and it will actually work as if the two don't know > about one another. > > If you delete 16 Canary, the next recommendation may help a lot more. > CMD-SPACE to bring up Spotlight, type Chrome, RETURN, and Chrome will > come up talking. At times, the website/homepage will load before > ChromeVox does. If so, do a refresh with CMD-R to go to whatever URL > by: CMD-L for omnibar, type URL, and RETURN. Note: This entire time, > it's not required one has VoiceOver running at all. > > ChromeVox should speak within a website at all times, given it's in > the HTML/web content/area. Once ChromeVox is outside, as you pointed > out, such as getting to Chrome menu bar, bookmarks, etc. For this, > it's easy enough to toggle On/Off VoiceOver. > > ChromeVox starts when Chrome does > > Please note: Chrome/ChromeVox is not a full replacement or substitute > for Safari/VoiceOver, but often times, especially within websites that > are rich and interactive, such as FaceBook, Google Plus, Docs, Gmail, > CourseSmart, Blackboard, etc. Chrome/ChromeVox will perform > exceptionally well and much better than VoiceOver/Safari. > > Tab browsing, views/list etc all work very well with Chrome/ChromeVox. > > Kevin > > On 10/4/11, Paul Hopewell wrote: >> Hi Kevin, >> I like your enthusiasm but I am not having as good an experience as you and >> so wonder if I am doing something wrong. >> >> I have installed Chrome Canary and added ChromeVox from the Google web store >> as you recommend. I am using VoiceOver on Lion 10.7.1 on an iMac with 4GB >> memory. My problem is the relationship between ChromeVox and VoiceOver. I >> need to use VoiceOver to get into Chrome in the first place and when in >> Chrome I have to use VoiceOver to access the Chrome menu bar. When in a web >> page I often have to tab around a bit to get ChromeVox to talk at all. Once >> ChromeVox starts talking I have to turn VoiceOver off or it all gets very >> confusing. >> >> Hence a few questions.... >> >> First is there a hotkey or the like to start ChromeVox talking when you open >> a web page? Currently it sometimes talks automatically and it sometimes >> stays silent. >> >> Second can ChromeVox access the menu bar for Chrome? If not then how do you >> recommend using a mixture of ChromeVox and VoiceOver in a web environment? >> >> Third how do you recommend using ChromeVox or a mixture of ChromeVox and >> VoiceOver to access web sites whose addresses are stored in bookmarks? >> >> Many thanks for any tips.... >> >> Paul Hopewell >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to >> mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at >> either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus >> and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting >> the list website at: >> >> > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From juanitatighan at gmail.com Tue Oct 4 16:18:19 2011 From: juanitatighan at gmail.com (Jane) Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 11:18:19 -0400 Subject: Lion Mail Questions Message-ID: <3993B58A-C406-439C-BE90-CF6EADAD3BF6@gmail.com> I have had to take Mail out of threaded view, because the messages seem to appear in the wrong order, and the first one that opens never wants to be deleted unless I close the window after reading it and deleting it from there. I really miss my thread view. How do I get it back without all that strangeness? Jane From rex.attome at gmail.com Tue Oct 4 16:50:11 2011 From: rex.attome at gmail.com (rex holmes) Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 16:50:11 +0100 Subject: How do I restart VO Tutorial Message-ID: <401A80BCECC24138A7FCA1B63EFCA7E8@Blossom> Can anybody help. My wife has allowed me to use her Imac to see if I can manage it. My problem is that when I started the tutorial the voice was dreadful, and English default called ~Daniel, I think. Now when I restart VO it doesn't give me the option of running the VO tutorial. I know this is embarrassingly basic for you lot, but I have fallen at the first hurdle. Thanks Rex. From mike at busboom.at Tue Oct 4 17:03:49 2011 From: mike at busboom.at (Michael Busboom) Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 18:03:49 +0200 Subject: How do I restart VO Tutorial In-Reply-To: <401A80BCECC24138A7FCA1B63EFCA7E8@Blossom> References: <401A80BCECC24138A7FCA1B63EFCA7E8@Blossom> Message-ID: <37BF4279-B8EB-40B4-B57A-62905C3C010D@busboom.at> Not a problem, Rex, because all of us were beginners at one time. To get into the VoiceOver Quick Start Tutorial, simultaneously press Control-Option-Command F8. The Quick Start Tutorial will start speaking after a second or two. Kindest regards and good luck! Mike On 4,Oct,2011, at 5:50 PM, rex holmes wrote: > Can anybody help. > My wife has allowed me to use her Imac to see if I can manage it. > My problem is that when I started the tutorial the voice was dreadful, and English default called ~Daniel, I think. > Now when I restart VO it doesn't give me the option of running the VO tutorial. > > I know this is embarrassingly basic for you lot, but I have fallen at the first hurdle. > Thanks > Rex. > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From velocity.focus66 at virginmedia.com Tue Oct 4 17:07:30 2011 From: velocity.focus66 at virginmedia.com (Red.Falcon) Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 17:07:30 +0100 Subject: How do I restart VO Tutorial In-Reply-To: <401A80BCECC24138A7FCA1B63EFCA7E8@Blossom> References: <401A80BCECC24138A7FCA1B63EFCA7E8@Blossom> Message-ID: <52B850AE-1B60-4570-B29A-C248EE65919C@virginmedia.com> Hi Rex! Control+option+command+f8 takes you straight into the tutorial! Or another way of saying it is vo+command+f8! You can also get it through vo+h and scroll down! hth Colin On 4 Oct 2011, at 16:50, rex holmes wrote: > Can anybody help. > My wife has allowed me to use her Imac to see if I can manage it. > My problem is that when I started the tutorial the voice was dreadful, and English default called ~Daniel, I think. > Now when I restart VO it doesn't give me the option of running the VO tutorial. > > I know this is embarrassingly basic for you lot, but I have fallen at the first hurdle. > Thanks > Rex. > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From d.griffith at btinternet.com Tue Oct 4 17:56:58 2011 From: d.griffith at btinternet.com (David Griffith) Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 17:56:58 +0100 Subject: Problem Downloading Google chrome Message-ID: <52D4A20D-3AED-4B21-A472-78D36BC70C27@btinternet.com> Dear list after the favourable reviews of google chrome on the Mac I have now attempted to download the application several times. I go to the download page and then click the agree and download button. I am then taken to a page which thanks me for downloading google Chrome. I have now followed this link 6 times and still nothing has been downloaded into my downloads folder. To check that general Safari downloads are working I downloaded another file, actually an mp3 file today, this went fine into my downloads folder. I have tried restarting my Mac. Pressing the downloads button in Safari does not result in any downloads listed for download. I am using the latest build of Webkit nightly build on Lion. Does anybody have any idea as to why it is impossible for me to download Google Chrome? David Griffith d.griffith at btinternet.com From dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie Tue Oct 4 18:05:12 2011 From: dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie (=?iso-8859-1?Q?D=F3nal_Fitzpatrick?=) Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 18:05:12 +0100 Subject: Problem Downloading Google chrome In-Reply-To: <52D4A20D-3AED-4B21-A472-78D36BC70C27@btinternet.com> References: <52D4A20D-3AED-4B21-A472-78D36BC70C27@btinternet.com> Message-ID: I just tried this and can verify the behaviour described. On 4 Oct 2011, at 17:56, David Griffith wrote: > Dear list > after the favourable reviews of google chrome on the Mac I have now attempted to download the application several times. > I go to the download page and then click the agree and download button. > I am then taken to a page which thanks me for downloading google Chrome. > I have now followed this link 6 times and still nothing has been downloaded into my downloads folder. > To check that general Safari downloads are working I downloaded another file, actually an mp3 file today, this went fine into my downloads folder. > I have tried restarting my Mac. > Pressing the downloads button in Safari does not result in any downloads listed for download. > I am using the latest build of Webkit nightly build on Lion. > > Does anybody have any idea as to why it is impossible for me to download Google Chrome? > David Griffith > d.griffith at btinternet.com > > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > D?nal Fitzpatrick dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie From dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie Tue Oct 4 18:09:55 2011 From: dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie (=?iso-8859-1?Q?D=F3nal_Fitzpatrick?=) Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 18:09:55 +0100 Subject: Problem Downloading Google chrome In-Reply-To: References: <52D4A20D-3AED-4B21-A472-78D36BC70C27@btinternet.com> Message-ID: I just tried again. This time it worked. Be very sure you select the language for the browser before downloading. On 4 Oct 2011, at 18:05, D?nal Fitzpatrick wrote: > I just tried this and can verify the behaviour described. > On 4 Oct 2011, at 17:56, David Griffith wrote: > >> Dear list >> after the favourable reviews of google chrome on the Mac I have now attempted to download the application several times. >> I go to the download page and then click the agree and download button. >> I am then taken to a page which thanks me for downloading google Chrome. >> I have now followed this link 6 times and still nothing has been downloaded into my downloads folder. >> To check that general Safari downloads are working I downloaded another file, actually an mp3 file today, this went fine into my downloads folder. >> I have tried restarting my Mac. >> Pressing the downloads button in Safari does not result in any downloads listed for download. >> I am using the latest build of Webkit nightly build on Lion. >> >> Does anybody have any idea as to why it is impossible for me to download Google Chrome? >> David Griffith >> d.griffith at btinternet.com >> >> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > D?nal Fitzpatrick > dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie > > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > D?nal Fitzpatrick dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie From gordon at mac-access.net Tue Oct 4 18:10:38 2011 From: gordon at mac-access.net (Gordon Smith) Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 18:10:38 +0100 Subject: Problem Downloading Google chrome In-Reply-To: References: <52D4A20D-3AED-4B21-A472-78D36BC70C27@btinternet.com> Message-ID: Try pressing enter on the link, see if that works. Gordon On 4 Oct 2011, at 18:05, D?nal Fitzpatrick wrote: I just tried this and can verify the behaviour described. On 4 Oct 2011, at 17:56, David Griffith wrote: > Dear list > after the favourable reviews of google chrome on the Mac I have now attempted to download the application several times. > I go to the download page and then click the agree and download button. > I am then taken to a page which thanks me for downloading google Chrome. > I have now followed this link 6 times and still nothing has been downloaded into my downloads folder. > To check that general Safari downloads are working I downloaded another file, actually an mp3 file today, this went fine into my downloads folder. > I have tried restarting my Mac. > Pressing the downloads button in Safari does not result in any downloads listed for download. > I am using the latest build of Webkit nightly build on Lion. > > Does anybody have any idea as to why it is impossible for me to download Google Chrome? > David Griffith > d.griffith at btinternet.com > > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > D?nal Fitzpatrick dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: or at the public Mail Archive: . Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From marrie12 at gmail.com Tue Oct 4 18:10:50 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 10:10:50 -0700 Subject: Lion Mail Questions In-Reply-To: <3993B58A-C406-439C-BE90-CF6EADAD3BF6@gmail.com> References: <3993B58A-C406-439C-BE90-CF6EADAD3BF6@gmail.com> Message-ID: go to view in prefs and check classic view. Note you cannot hit enter on all the first message and have themopen in seprate windows but you cn staill right and left arrow through the conversations. Take care. On Oct 4, 2011, at 8:18 AM, Jane wrote: > I have had to take Mail out of threaded view, because the messages seem to appear in the wrong order, and the first one that opens never wants to be deleted unless I close the window after reading it and deleting it from there. I really miss my thread view. How do I get it back without all that strangeness? > > Jane > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From marrie12 at gmail.com Tue Oct 4 18:22:50 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 10:22:50 -0700 Subject: the announcement of the iphone Message-ID: <8A937CA6-7F24-499A-9427-C1687CBF0313@gmail.com> Hello to all I dunno when this will end but tne in to the stream of the anouncmeent here http://bit.ly/l0Lfxl Take care all. From juanitatighan at gmail.com Tue Oct 4 19:11:40 2011 From: juanitatighan at gmail.com (Jane) Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 14:11:40 -0400 Subject: Mac Lion Podcasts Message-ID: <9464828E-414E-4C03-B6CE-E71DE32B824B@gmail.com> I am already subscribed to the Vision Australia podcast,but I am missing some episodes, like how to work with Mission Control or Launch Pad. I am also looking for any useful podcasts on using TextEdit with Lion. I am getting confused while trying to write in a document. Perhaps it's because the trackpad commander is on, but I keep getting flipped from one part of the document down to the bottom, and I can't get back to where I was before. Also it *looks* like there are two copies of the same document in the window with the ruler in the middle, and I don't understand why. I can spell-check, and I can move by characters and sometimes words. I'm having trouble with word suggestions, or even getting spelling checking suggestions. Also, while writing this email, which is really just a window like TetEdit, I guess, I keep getting put at the bottom. I've had to go through and correct three times so far. All of this is to ask, are there any podcasts that delve into TextEdit? I obviously haven't used it to its full potential yet, not even under Snow Leopard, but I need to now. Any help is appreciated. URLs I can plop into iTunes are the easiest for me. Thanks a bunch. Jane From dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie Tue Oct 4 19:14:48 2011 From: dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie (=?iso-8859-1?Q?D=F3nal_Fitzpatrick?=) Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 19:14:48 +0100 Subject: using chromevox Message-ID: <3A4AF2AC-729A-4F06-8F71-82B2FE240F74@computing.dcu.ie> The only tutorial I'm finding is the one for Chrome OS netbooks. Any pointers? Cheers. D?nal Fitzpatrick dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie From kevinchao89 at gmail.com Tue Oct 4 20:09:20 2011 From: kevinchao89 at gmail.com (Kevin Chao) Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 14:09:20 -0500 Subject: ChromeVox is now on the Chrome Web Store! In-Reply-To: References: <15103039.761.1317687833231.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@prib32> <16E1425887DF42818ACB88381DDC084C@YOURZ8KUJVJGKY> <4B7C7B20-6AE6-4503-B46C-0AA064001A17@hopewell.org.uk> Message-ID: VoiceOver will work with Chrome, but there are a variety of issues in general with VoiceOver and web browsers, such as ones that exist with Safari. ChromeVox gets rid of all of these issues. VoiceOver ARIA support is lacking greatly, which is not a surprise, considering it first made its appearance in OS X Lion and hopefully will mature very soon as that's what's needed to ensure that accessible HTML5 webapps will work well. Most of these issues are not Google issues, but Apple's. Kevin On 10/4/11, Jane wrote: > I am puzzled. Why does Google have a separate screen reader we must use to > work with Chrome? Why can't they have it work just as effectively using > VoiceOver? > > Jane > > > > > On Oct 4, 2011, at 8:14 AM, Kevin Chao wrote: > >> After having used Google Chrome 16 Canary for a bit, I had too many >> issues, and per recommendation of Google accessibility, I installed >> Google Chrom 14 stable. The experience, especially responsiveness, >> stability, and ease of use has increased greatly. SO, I would >> recommend downloading/installing 14 stable, which will not conflict >> with 16 Canary and it will actually work as if the two don't know >> about one another. >> >> If you delete 16 Canary, the next recommendation may help a lot more. >> CMD-SPACE to bring up Spotlight, type Chrome, RETURN, and Chrome will >> come up talking. At times, the website/homepage will load before >> ChromeVox does. If so, do a refresh with CMD-R to go to whatever URL >> by: CMD-L for omnibar, type URL, and RETURN. Note: This entire time, >> it's not required one has VoiceOver running at all. >> >> ChromeVox should speak within a website at all times, given it's in >> the HTML/web content/area. Once ChromeVox is outside, as you pointed >> out, such as getting to Chrome menu bar, bookmarks, etc. For this, >> it's easy enough to toggle On/Off VoiceOver. >> >> ChromeVox starts when Chrome does >> >> Please note: Chrome/ChromeVox is not a full replacement or substitute >> for Safari/VoiceOver, but often times, especially within websites that >> are rich and interactive, such as FaceBook, Google Plus, Docs, Gmail, >> CourseSmart, Blackboard, etc. Chrome/ChromeVox will perform >> exceptionally well and much better than VoiceOver/Safari. >> >> Tab browsing, views/list etc all work very well with Chrome/ChromeVox. >> >> Kevin >> >> On 10/4/11, Paul Hopewell wrote: >>> Hi Kevin, >>> I like your enthusiasm but I am not having as good an experience as you >>> and >>> so wonder if I am doing something wrong. >>> >>> I have installed Chrome Canary and added ChromeVox from the Google web >>> store >>> as you recommend. I am using VoiceOver on Lion 10.7.1 on an iMac with 4GB >>> memory. My problem is the relationship between ChromeVox and VoiceOver. I >>> need to use VoiceOver to get into Chrome in the first place and when in >>> Chrome I have to use VoiceOver to access the Chrome menu bar. When in a >>> web >>> page I often have to tab around a bit to get ChromeVox to talk at all. >>> Once >>> ChromeVox starts talking I have to turn VoiceOver off or it all gets very >>> confusing. >>> >>> Hence a few questions.... >>> >>> First is there a hotkey or the like to start ChromeVox talking when you >>> open >>> a web page? Currently it sometimes talks automatically and it sometimes >>> stays silent. >>> >>> Second can ChromeVox access the menu bar for Chrome? If not then how do >>> you >>> recommend using a mixture of ChromeVox and VoiceOver in a web >>> environment? >>> >>> Third how do you recommend using ChromeVox or a mixture of ChromeVox and >>> VoiceOver to access web sites whose addresses are stored in bookmarks? >>> >>> Many thanks for any tips.... >>> >>> Paul Hopewell >>> >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to >>> mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum >>> at >>> either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>> >>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>> . >>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus >>> and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by >>> visiting >>> the list website at: >>> >>> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to >> mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum >> at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus >> and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting >> the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at > either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus > and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting > the list website at: > > From dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie Tue Oct 4 20:17:21 2011 From: dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie (=?iso-8859-1?Q?D=F3nal_Fitzpatrick?=) Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 20:17:21 +0100 Subject: ChromeVox is now on the Chrome Web Store! In-Reply-To: References: <15103039.761.1317687833231.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@prib32> <16E1425887DF42818ACB88381DDC084C@YOURZ8KUJVJGKY> <4B7C7B20-6AE6-4503-B46C-0AA064001A17@hopewell.org.uk> Message-ID: <7F76CDB8-1831-4D66-B8E6-929DDAF95655@computing.dcu.ie> Hi Kevin, Just one quick question. I installed chromevox. However when I launch chrome it doesn't seem to kick in. Am I doing something dumb? On 4 Oct 2011, at 20:09, Kevin Chao wrote: > VoiceOver will work with Chrome, but there are a variety of issues in > general with VoiceOver and web browsers, such as ones that exist with > Safari. ChromeVox gets rid of all of these issues. VoiceOver ARIA > support is lacking greatly, which is not a surprise, considering it > first made its appearance in OS X Lion and hopefully will mature very > soon as that's what's needed to ensure that accessible HTML5 webapps > will work well. Most of these issues are not Google issues, but > Apple's. > > Kevin > > On 10/4/11, Jane wrote: >> I am puzzled. Why does Google have a separate screen reader we must use to >> work with Chrome? Why can't they have it work just as effectively using >> VoiceOver? >> >> Jane >> >> >> >> >> On Oct 4, 2011, at 8:14 AM, Kevin Chao wrote: >> >>> After having used Google Chrome 16 Canary for a bit, I had too many >>> issues, and per recommendation of Google accessibility, I installed >>> Google Chrom 14 stable. The experience, especially responsiveness, >>> stability, and ease of use has increased greatly. SO, I would >>> recommend downloading/installing 14 stable, which will not conflict >>> with 16 Canary and it will actually work as if the two don't know >>> about one another. >>> >>> If you delete 16 Canary, the next recommendation may help a lot more. >>> CMD-SPACE to bring up Spotlight, type Chrome, RETURN, and Chrome will >>> come up talking. At times, the website/homepage will load before >>> ChromeVox does. If so, do a refresh with CMD-R to go to whatever URL >>> by: CMD-L for omnibar, type URL, and RETURN. Note: This entire time, >>> it's not required one has VoiceOver running at all. >>> >>> ChromeVox should speak within a website at all times, given it's in >>> the HTML/web content/area. Once ChromeVox is outside, as you pointed >>> out, such as getting to Chrome menu bar, bookmarks, etc. For this, >>> it's easy enough to toggle On/Off VoiceOver. >>> >>> ChromeVox starts when Chrome does >>> >>> Please note: Chrome/ChromeVox is not a full replacement or substitute >>> for Safari/VoiceOver, but often times, especially within websites that >>> are rich and interactive, such as FaceBook, Google Plus, Docs, Gmail, >>> CourseSmart, Blackboard, etc. Chrome/ChromeVox will perform >>> exceptionally well and much better than VoiceOver/Safari. >>> >>> Tab browsing, views/list etc all work very well with Chrome/ChromeVox. >>> >>> Kevin >>> >>> On 10/4/11, Paul Hopewell wrote: >>>> Hi Kevin, >>>> I like your enthusiasm but I am not having as good an experience as you >>>> and >>>> so wonder if I am doing something wrong. >>>> >>>> I have installed Chrome Canary and added ChromeVox from the Google web >>>> store >>>> as you recommend. I am using VoiceOver on Lion 10.7.1 on an iMac with 4GB >>>> memory. My problem is the relationship between ChromeVox and VoiceOver. I >>>> need to use VoiceOver to get into Chrome in the first place and when in >>>> Chrome I have to use VoiceOver to access the Chrome menu bar. When in a >>>> web >>>> page I often have to tab around a bit to get ChromeVox to talk at all. >>>> Once >>>> ChromeVox starts talking I have to turn VoiceOver off or it all gets very >>>> confusing. >>>> >>>> Hence a few questions.... >>>> >>>> First is there a hotkey or the like to start ChromeVox talking when you >>>> open >>>> a web page? Currently it sometimes talks automatically and it sometimes >>>> stays silent. >>>> >>>> Second can ChromeVox access the menu bar for Chrome? If not then how do >>>> you >>>> recommend using a mixture of ChromeVox and VoiceOver in a web >>>> environment? >>>> >>>> Third how do you recommend using ChromeVox or a mixture of ChromeVox and >>>> VoiceOver to access web sites whose addresses are stored in bookmarks? >>>> >>>> Many thanks for any tips.... >>>> >>>> Paul Hopewell >>>> >>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to >>>> mac-access at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum >>>> at >>>> either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>>> >>>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>>> . >>>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>>> >>>> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus >>>> and worm-free! >>>> >>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by >>>> visiting >>>> the list website at: >>>> >>>> >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to >>> mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum >>> at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>> >>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>> . >>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus >>> and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting >>> the list website at: >>> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to >> mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at >> either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus >> and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting >> the list website at: >> >> > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > D?nal Fitzpatrick dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie From kevinchao89 at gmail.com Tue Oct 4 20:41:44 2011 From: kevinchao89 at gmail.com (Kevin Chao) Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 14:41:44 -0500 Subject: ChromeVox is now on the Chrome Web Store! In-Reply-To: <7F76CDB8-1831-4D66-B8E6-929DDAF95655@computing.dcu.ie> References: <15103039.761.1317687833231.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@prib32> <16E1425887DF42818ACB88381DDC084C@YOURZ8KUJVJGKY> <4B7C7B20-6AE6-4503-B46C-0AA064001A17@hopewell.org.uk> <7F76CDB8-1831-4D66-B8E6-929DDAF95655@computing.dcu.ie> Message-ID: No, try the following: Launch Chrome; CMD-L for omnibar; type: "google.com"; RETURN; Expected: Should be on Google.com and ChromeVox should be speaking Kevin On 10/4/11, D?nal Fitzpatrick wrote: > Hi Kevin, > > Just one quick question. I installed chromevox. However when I launch > chrome it doesn't seem to kick in. Am I doing something dumb? > On 4 Oct 2011, at 20:09, Kevin Chao wrote: > >> VoiceOver will work with Chrome, but there are a variety of issues in >> general with VoiceOver and web browsers, such as ones that exist with >> Safari. ChromeVox gets rid of all of these issues. VoiceOver ARIA >> support is lacking greatly, which is not a surprise, considering it >> first made its appearance in OS X Lion and hopefully will mature very >> soon as that's what's needed to ensure that accessible HTML5 webapps >> will work well. Most of these issues are not Google issues, but >> Apple's. >> >> Kevin >> >> On 10/4/11, Jane wrote: >>> I am puzzled. Why does Google have a separate screen reader we must use >>> to >>> work with Chrome? Why can't they have it work just as effectively using >>> VoiceOver? >>> >>> Jane >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Oct 4, 2011, at 8:14 AM, Kevin Chao wrote: >>> >>>> After having used Google Chrome 16 Canary for a bit, I had too many >>>> issues, and per recommendation of Google accessibility, I installed >>>> Google Chrom 14 stable. The experience, especially responsiveness, >>>> stability, and ease of use has increased greatly. SO, I would >>>> recommend downloading/installing 14 stable, which will not conflict >>>> with 16 Canary and it will actually work as if the two don't know >>>> about one another. >>>> >>>> If you delete 16 Canary, the next recommendation may help a lot more. >>>> CMD-SPACE to bring up Spotlight, type Chrome, RETURN, and Chrome will >>>> come up talking. At times, the website/homepage will load before >>>> ChromeVox does. If so, do a refresh with CMD-R to go to whatever URL >>>> by: CMD-L for omnibar, type URL, and RETURN. Note: This entire time, >>>> it's not required one has VoiceOver running at all. >>>> >>>> ChromeVox should speak within a website at all times, given it's in >>>> the HTML/web content/area. Once ChromeVox is outside, as you pointed >>>> out, such as getting to Chrome menu bar, bookmarks, etc. For this, >>>> it's easy enough to toggle On/Off VoiceOver. >>>> >>>> ChromeVox starts when Chrome does >>>> >>>> Please note: Chrome/ChromeVox is not a full replacement or substitute >>>> for Safari/VoiceOver, but often times, especially within websites that >>>> are rich and interactive, such as FaceBook, Google Plus, Docs, Gmail, >>>> CourseSmart, Blackboard, etc. Chrome/ChromeVox will perform >>>> exceptionally well and much better than VoiceOver/Safari. >>>> >>>> Tab browsing, views/list etc all work very well with Chrome/ChromeVox. >>>> >>>> Kevin >>>> >>>> On 10/4/11, Paul Hopewell wrote: >>>>> Hi Kevin, >>>>> I like your enthusiasm but I am not having as good an experience as you >>>>> and >>>>> so wonder if I am doing something wrong. >>>>> >>>>> I have installed Chrome Canary and added ChromeVox from the Google web >>>>> store >>>>> as you recommend. I am using VoiceOver on Lion 10.7.1 on an iMac with >>>>> 4GB >>>>> memory. My problem is the relationship between ChromeVox and VoiceOver. >>>>> I >>>>> need to use VoiceOver to get into Chrome in the first place and when in >>>>> Chrome I have to use VoiceOver to access the Chrome menu bar. When in a >>>>> web >>>>> page I often have to tab around a bit to get ChromeVox to talk at all. >>>>> Once >>>>> ChromeVox starts talking I have to turn VoiceOver off or it all gets >>>>> very >>>>> confusing. >>>>> >>>>> Hence a few questions.... >>>>> >>>>> First is there a hotkey or the like to start ChromeVox talking when you >>>>> open >>>>> a web page? Currently it sometimes talks automatically and it sometimes >>>>> stays silent. >>>>> >>>>> Second can ChromeVox access the menu bar for Chrome? If not then how do >>>>> you >>>>> recommend using a mixture of ChromeVox and VoiceOver in a web >>>>> environment? >>>>> >>>>> Third how do you recommend using ChromeVox or a mixture of ChromeVox >>>>> and >>>>> VoiceOver to access web sites whose addresses are stored in bookmarks? >>>>> >>>>> Many thanks for any tips.... >>>>> >>>>> Paul Hopewell >>>>> >>>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>>> >>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to >>>>> mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>> >>>>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access >>>>> forum >>>>> at >>>>> either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>>>> >>>>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>>>> . >>>>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, >>>>> virus >>>>> and worm-free! >>>>> >>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by >>>>> visiting >>>>> the list website at: >>>>> >>>>> >>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to >>>> mac-access at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access >>>> forum >>>> at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>>> >>>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>>> . >>>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>>> >>>> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, >>>> virus >>>> and worm-free! >>>> >>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by >>>> visiting >>>> the list website at: >>>> >>> >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to >>> mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum >>> at >>> either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>> >>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>> . >>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus >>> and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by >>> visiting >>> the list website at: >>> >>> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to >> mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum >> at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus >> and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting >> the list website at: >> > > D?nal Fitzpatrick > dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie > > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at > either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus > and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting > the list website at: > > From dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie Tue Oct 4 20:46:50 2011 From: dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie (=?iso-8859-1?Q?D=F3nal_Fitzpatrick?=) Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 20:46:50 +0100 Subject: ChromeVox is now on the Chrome Web Store! In-Reply-To: References: <15103039.761.1317687833231.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@prib32> <16E1425887DF42818ACB88381DDC084C@YOURZ8KUJVJGKY> <4B7C7B20-6AE6-4503-B46C-0AA064001A17@hopewell.org.uk> <7F76CDB8-1831-4D66-B8E6-929DDAF95655@computing.dcu.ie> Message-ID: <7E521CBD-AF1B-4B79-BB10-C68B0BEFBD4E@computing.dcu.ie> got it cheers. it's not bad. On 4 Oct 2011, at 20:41, Kevin Chao wrote: > No, try the following: > Launch Chrome; > CMD-L for omnibar; > type: "google.com"; > RETURN; > Expected: Should be on Google.com and ChromeVox should be speaking > > Kevin > > > On 10/4/11, D?nal Fitzpatrick wrote: >> Hi Kevin, >> >> Just one quick question. I installed chromevox. However when I launch >> chrome it doesn't seem to kick in. Am I doing something dumb? >> On 4 Oct 2011, at 20:09, Kevin Chao wrote: >> >>> VoiceOver will work with Chrome, but there are a variety of issues in >>> general with VoiceOver and web browsers, such as ones that exist with >>> Safari. ChromeVox gets rid of all of these issues. VoiceOver ARIA >>> support is lacking greatly, which is not a surprise, considering it >>> first made its appearance in OS X Lion and hopefully will mature very >>> soon as that's what's needed to ensure that accessible HTML5 webapps >>> will work well. Most of these issues are not Google issues, but >>> Apple's. >>> >>> Kevin >>> >>> On 10/4/11, Jane wrote: >>>> I am puzzled. Why does Google have a separate screen reader we must use >>>> to >>>> work with Chrome? Why can't they have it work just as effectively using >>>> VoiceOver? >>>> >>>> Jane >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Oct 4, 2011, at 8:14 AM, Kevin Chao wrote: >>>> >>>>> After having used Google Chrome 16 Canary for a bit, I had too many >>>>> issues, and per recommendation of Google accessibility, I installed >>>>> Google Chrom 14 stable. The experience, especially responsiveness, >>>>> stability, and ease of use has increased greatly. SO, I would >>>>> recommend downloading/installing 14 stable, which will not conflict >>>>> with 16 Canary and it will actually work as if the two don't know >>>>> about one another. >>>>> >>>>> If you delete 16 Canary, the next recommendation may help a lot more. >>>>> CMD-SPACE to bring up Spotlight, type Chrome, RETURN, and Chrome will >>>>> come up talking. At times, the website/homepage will load before >>>>> ChromeVox does. If so, do a refresh with CMD-R to go to whatever URL >>>>> by: CMD-L for omnibar, type URL, and RETURN. Note: This entire time, >>>>> it's not required one has VoiceOver running at all. >>>>> >>>>> ChromeVox should speak within a website at all times, given it's in >>>>> the HTML/web content/area. Once ChromeVox is outside, as you pointed >>>>> out, such as getting to Chrome menu bar, bookmarks, etc. For this, >>>>> it's easy enough to toggle On/Off VoiceOver. >>>>> >>>>> ChromeVox starts when Chrome does >>>>> >>>>> Please note: Chrome/ChromeVox is not a full replacement or substitute >>>>> for Safari/VoiceOver, but often times, especially within websites that >>>>> are rich and interactive, such as FaceBook, Google Plus, Docs, Gmail, >>>>> CourseSmart, Blackboard, etc. Chrome/ChromeVox will perform >>>>> exceptionally well and much better than VoiceOver/Safari. >>>>> >>>>> Tab browsing, views/list etc all work very well with Chrome/ChromeVox. >>>>> >>>>> Kevin >>>>> >>>>> On 10/4/11, Paul Hopewell wrote: >>>>>> Hi Kevin, >>>>>> I like your enthusiasm but I am not having as good an experience as you >>>>>> and >>>>>> so wonder if I am doing something wrong. >>>>>> >>>>>> I have installed Chrome Canary and added ChromeVox from the Google web >>>>>> store >>>>>> as you recommend. I am using VoiceOver on Lion 10.7.1 on an iMac with >>>>>> 4GB >>>>>> memory. My problem is the relationship between ChromeVox and VoiceOver. >>>>>> I >>>>>> need to use VoiceOver to get into Chrome in the first place and when in >>>>>> Chrome I have to use VoiceOver to access the Chrome menu bar. When in a >>>>>> web >>>>>> page I often have to tab around a bit to get ChromeVox to talk at all. >>>>>> Once >>>>>> ChromeVox starts talking I have to turn VoiceOver off or it all gets >>>>>> very >>>>>> confusing. >>>>>> >>>>>> Hence a few questions.... >>>>>> >>>>>> First is there a hotkey or the like to start ChromeVox talking when you >>>>>> open >>>>>> a web page? Currently it sometimes talks automatically and it sometimes >>>>>> stays silent. >>>>>> >>>>>> Second can ChromeVox access the menu bar for Chrome? If not then how do >>>>>> you >>>>>> recommend using a mixture of ChromeVox and VoiceOver in a web >>>>>> environment? >>>>>> >>>>>> Third how do you recommend using ChromeVox or a mixture of ChromeVox >>>>>> and >>>>>> VoiceOver to access web sites whose addresses are stored in bookmarks? >>>>>> >>>>>> Many thanks for any tips.... >>>>>> >>>>>> Paul Hopewell >>>>>> >>>>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>>>> >>>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to >>>>>> mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>>> >>>>>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access >>>>>> forum >>>>>> at >>>>>> either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>>>>> >>>>>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>>>>> . >>>>>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, >>>>>> virus >>>>>> and worm-free! >>>>>> >>>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by >>>>>> visiting >>>>>> the list website at: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>>> >>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to >>>>> mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>> >>>>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access >>>>> forum >>>>> at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>>>> >>>>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>>>> . >>>>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, >>>>> virus >>>>> and worm-free! >>>>> >>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by >>>>> visiting >>>>> the list website at: >>>>> >>>> >>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to >>>> mac-access at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum >>>> at >>>> either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>>> >>>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>>> . >>>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>>> >>>> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus >>>> and worm-free! >>>> >>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by >>>> visiting >>>> the list website at: >>>> >>>> >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to >>> mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum >>> at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>> >>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>> . >>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus >>> and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting >>> the list website at: >>> >> >> D?nal Fitzpatrick >> dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie >> >> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to >> mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at >> either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus >> and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting >> the list website at: >> >> > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > D?nal Fitzpatrick dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie From hopewell at hopewell.org.uk Tue Oct 4 20:59:27 2011 From: hopewell at hopewell.org.uk (Paul Hopewell) Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 20:59:27 +0100 Subject: Sticky keys in ChromeVox Message-ID: Hello, Has anyone found a hotkey way to turn on sticky keys in ChromeVox? the ChromeVox hotkeys help says that Insert+Insert will toggle Sticky keys on and off but there does not seem to be an Insert key on my keyboard. If I turn on keyboard help with VO+K the key which would be Insert on a Windows keyboard is FN on the Mac keyboard. I found that I could turn on Sticky keys by pressing ChromeVox + period and arrowing around to the sticky keys function and then pressing Enter. That locks the ChromeVox keys on which makes it much easier to do the multiple key presses required for the many ChromeVox hotkeys with only two hands! However this has two problems. First it is more difficult than using a hotkey and second I cannot then turn sticky keys off as the arrow keys needed to explore the hotkeys list are now arrowing around the Chrome document as they are now considered as ChromeVox + arrow keys! Any ideas? PAUL HOPEWELL From will.d.lomas at gmail.com Tue Oct 4 21:12:52 2011 From: will.d.lomas at gmail.com (william lomas) Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 21:12:52 +0100 Subject: iphone 4s Message-ID: <174F1FB8-74CF-48F5-BD89-274A213CCCB7@gmail.com> so voice recognition is only on iPhone 4s? ripoff why would i want a new phone just for that feature? true we have it seems faster processor but ios five works on current devices From jim.noseworthy at compuconference.com Tue Oct 4 22:34:31 2011 From: jim.noseworthy at compuconference.com (Jim Noseworthy) Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 18:34:31 -0300 Subject: TC-Conference Mac client. Message-ID: Hi Folks: Has anyone had any luck with this animal? Thanks all over the place gang. The triune God created human kind to participate, through the Holy Spirit, in the incarnate Son's communion with the Father. __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6517 (20111004) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com From rex.attome at gmail.com Tue Oct 4 22:39:49 2011 From: rex.attome at gmail.com (rex holmes) Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 22:39:49 +0100 Subject: How do I restart VO Tutorial References: <401A80BCECC24138A7FCA1B63EFCA7E8@Blossom> <52B850AE-1B60-4570-B29A-C248EE65919C@virginmedia.com> Message-ID: thanks it worked. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Red.Falcon" To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2011 5:07 PM Subject: Re: How do I restart VO Tutorial > Hi Rex! > Control+option+command+f8 takes you straight into the tutorial! > Or another way of saying it is vo+command+f8! > You can also get it through vo+h and scroll down! > hth Colin > > On 4 Oct 2011, at 16:50, rex holmes wrote: > >> Can anybody help. >> My wife has allowed me to use her Imac to see if I can manage it. >> My problem is that when I started the tutorial the voice was dreadful, >> and English default called ~Daniel, I think. >> Now when I restart VO it doesn't give me the option of running the VO >> tutorial. >> >> I know this is embarrassingly basic for you lot, but I have fallen at the >> first hurdle. >> Thanks >> Rex. >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to >> mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum >> at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus >> and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by >> visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum > at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus > and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting > the list website at: > From orin8722 at gmail.com Tue Oct 4 22:40:17 2011 From: orin8722 at gmail.com (Orin) Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 17:40:17 -0400 Subject: iphone 4s In-Reply-To: <174F1FB8-74CF-48F5-BD89-274A213CCCB7@gmail.com> References: <174F1FB8-74CF-48F5-BD89-274A213CCCB7@gmail.com> Message-ID: It's more than VOice Recognition. It's an assistant, which is more than Voice Rec. Orin orin8722 at gmail.com Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/orinks Skype: orin1112 On Oct 4, 2011, at 4:12 PM, william lomas wrote: > so voice recognition is only on iPhone 4s? > ripoff > why would i want a new phone just for that feature? > true we have it seems faster processor but ios five works on current devices > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From rex.attome at gmail.com Tue Oct 4 22:40:36 2011 From: rex.attome at gmail.com (rex holmes) Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 22:40:36 +0100 Subject: How do I restart VO Tutorial References: <401A80BCECC24138A7FCA1B63EFCA7E8@Blossom> <37BF4279-B8EB-40B4-B57A-62905C3C010D@busboom.at> Message-ID: <672E364D77084F19BD69E5672C980112@Blossom> your very kind, what a great list this is. Rex ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Busboom" To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2011 5:03 PM Subject: Re: How do I restart VO Tutorial > Not a problem, Rex, because all of us were beginners at one time. > > To get into the VoiceOver Quick Start Tutorial, simultaneously press > Control-Option-Command F8. The Quick Start Tutorial will start speaking > after a second or two. > > Kindest regards and good luck! > > Mike > > > > On 4,Oct,2011, at 5:50 PM, rex holmes wrote: > >> Can anybody help. >> My wife has allowed me to use her Imac to see if I can manage it. >> My problem is that when I started the tutorial the voice was dreadful, >> and English default called ~Daniel, I think. >> Now when I restart VO it doesn't give me the option of running the VO >> tutorial. >> >> I know this is embarrassingly basic for you lot, but I have fallen at the >> first hurdle. >> Thanks >> Rex. >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to >> mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum >> at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus >> and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by >> visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum > at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus > and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting > the list website at: > From dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie Tue Oct 4 22:45:46 2011 From: dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie (=?iso-8859-1?Q?D=F3nal_Fitzpatrick?=) Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 22:45:46 +0100 Subject: iphone 4s In-Reply-To: References: <174F1FB8-74CF-48F5-BD89-274A213CCCB7@gmail.com> Message-ID: it simply uses words, extrapolates context using some kind of ruleset and gives back answers. Essentially we've waited 16 months for a device with a faster chipset, a better antenna oh and voice recognition packaged as a personal assistant. A triumph of marketing over content.. Who knows, the people who put that little lot together are probably the same geniuses who put the spin on unpopular government policy. *smile* I'll probably still buy one though because my poor old 3gs is starting to give up the ghost. I'll now await the collective explosions from the apple-can-do-no-wrong fundamentalists! Cheers D?nal On 4 Oct 2011, at 22:40, Orin wrote: > It's more than VOice Recognition. It's an assistant, which is more than Voice Rec. > Orin > orin8722 at gmail.com > Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/orinks > Skype: orin1112 > > > > On Oct 4, 2011, at 4:12 PM, william lomas wrote: > >> so voice recognition is only on iPhone 4s? >> ripoff >> why would i want a new phone just for that feature? >> true we have it seems faster processor but ios five works on current devices >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > D?nal Fitzpatrick dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie From rose at chicksdigmacs.net Tue Oct 4 23:09:13 2011 From: rose at chicksdigmacs.net (Rose Morales) Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 18:09:13 -0400 Subject: iphone 4s In-Reply-To: References: <174F1FB8-74CF-48F5-BD89-274A213CCCB7@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5E7AD54B-13DC-4CD2-94D3-ECF3AECF1180@chicksdigmacs.net> I disagree that the iPhone 4S is a let down. The camera alone will be a huge step in the right direction for OCR. I also like that the new iPhones will handle both GSM and CDMA. No having to worry about whether your phone is compatible with what carrier. Just unlock it and you're good to go. Speak to text is also a nifty feature. I probably won't use Seri, but I'm relatively pleased. On Oct 4, 2011, at 5:45 PM, D?nal Fitzpatrick wrote: > it simply uses words, extrapolates context using some kind of ruleset and gives back answers. > > Essentially we've waited 16 months for a device with a faster chipset, a better antenna oh and voice recognition packaged as a personal assistant. A triumph of marketing over content.. Who knows, the people who put that little lot together are probably the same geniuses who put the spin on unpopular government policy. > > *smile* I'll probably still buy one though because my poor old 3gs is starting to give up the ghost. I'll now await the collective explosions from the apple-can-do-no-wrong fundamentalists! > > Cheers > > D?nal > On 4 Oct 2011, at 22:40, Orin wrote: > >> It's more than VOice Recognition. It's an assistant, which is more than Voice Rec. >> Orin >> orin8722 at gmail.com >> Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/orinks >> Skype: orin1112 >> >> >> >> On Oct 4, 2011, at 4:12 PM, william lomas wrote: >> >>> so voice recognition is only on iPhone 4s? >>> ripoff >>> why would i want a new phone just for that feature? >>> true we have it seems faster processor but ios five works on current devices >>> >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>> >>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>> . >>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > D?nal Fitzpatrick > dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie > > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From djden at thejazzden.org.uk Tue Oct 4 23:20:40 2011 From: djden at thejazzden.org.uk (Thejazzden) Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 23:20:40 +0100 Subject: iphone 4s In-Reply-To: References: <174F1FB8-74CF-48F5-BD89-274A213CCCB7@gmail.com> Message-ID: <42A1FA8B-E050-412C-8F58-3A5C47970F74@thejazzden.org.uk> What a pity the voice assistant, perhaps the best accessibility feature to us given the slowness inherent in our having to use a virtual keyboard, couldn't have somehow been incorporated into the IOS for the iPhone 4. Dennis Freedman The best aromatherapy in the UK - www.e-nat.co.uk Sent from my iPhone On 4 Oct 2011, at 22:45, D?nal Fitzpatrick wrote: > it simply uses words, extrapolates context using some kind of ruleset and gives back answers. > > Essentially we've waited 16 months for a device with a faster chipset, a better antenna oh and voice recognition packaged as a personal assistant. A triumph of marketing over content.. Who knows, the people who put that little lot together are probably the same geniuses who put the spin on unpopular government policy. > > *smile* I'll probably still buy one though because my poor old 3gs is starting to give up the ghost. I'll now await the collective explosions from the apple-can-do-no-wrong fundamentalists! > > Cheers > > D?nal > On 4 Oct 2011, at 22:40, Orin wrote: > >> It's more than VOice Recognition. It's an assistant, which is more than Voice Rec. >> Orin >> orin8722 at gmail.com >> Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/orinks >> Skype: orin1112 >> >> >> >> On Oct 4, 2011, at 4:12 PM, william lomas wrote: >> >>> so voice recognition is only on iPhone 4s? >>> ripoff >>> why would i want a new phone just for that feature? >>> true we have it seems faster processor but ios five works on current devices >>> >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>> >>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>> . >>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > D?nal Fitzpatrick > dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie > > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie Tue Oct 4 23:28:41 2011 From: dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie (=?iso-8859-1?Q?D=F3nal_Fitzpatrick?=) Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 23:28:41 +0100 Subject: iphone 4s In-Reply-To: <42A1FA8B-E050-412C-8F58-3A5C47970F74@thejazzden.org.uk> References: <174F1FB8-74CF-48F5-BD89-274A213CCCB7@gmail.com> <42A1FA8B-E050-412C-8F58-3A5C47970F74@thejazzden.org.uk> Message-ID: <5C4D34FA-6FF6-48FC-BBE8-C2BEBD220E1B@computing.dcu.ie> Ah but they want you to buy the 4S you see! If they made this available on the 4, they wouldn't have a selling point. Only geeks like me are bothered or pleased the phone has an A5 chip! On 4 Oct 2011, at 23:20, Thejazzden wrote: > What a pity the voice assistant, perhaps the best accessibility feature to us given the slowness inherent in our having to use a virtual keyboard, couldn't have somehow been incorporated into the IOS for the iPhone 4. > > > Dennis Freedman > The best aromatherapy in the UK - www.e-nat.co.uk > Sent from my iPhone > > > On 4 Oct 2011, at 22:45, D?nal Fitzpatrick wrote: > >> it simply uses words, extrapolates context using some kind of ruleset and gives back answers. >> >> Essentially we've waited 16 months for a device with a faster chipset, a better antenna oh and voice recognition packaged as a personal assistant. A triumph of marketing over content.. Who knows, the people who put that little lot together are probably the same geniuses who put the spin on unpopular government policy. >> >> *smile* I'll probably still buy one though because my poor old 3gs is starting to give up the ghost. I'll now await the collective explosions from the apple-can-do-no-wrong fundamentalists! >> >> Cheers >> >> D?nal >> On 4 Oct 2011, at 22:40, Orin wrote: >> >>> It's more than VOice Recognition. It's an assistant, which is more than Voice Rec. >>> Orin >>> orin8722 at gmail.com >>> Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/orinks >>> Skype: orin1112 >>> >>> >>> >>> On Oct 4, 2011, at 4:12 PM, william lomas wrote: >>> >>>> so voice recognition is only on iPhone 4s? >>>> ripoff >>>> why would i want a new phone just for that feature? >>>> true we have it seems faster processor but ios five works on current devices >>>> >>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>>> >>>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>>> . >>>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>>> >>>> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>> >>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>> >>> >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>> >>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>> . >>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> D?nal Fitzpatrick >> dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie >> >> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > D?nal Fitzpatrick dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie From eric_caron at Mac-Access.net Tue Oct 4 23:35:39 2011 From: eric_caron at Mac-Access.net (Eric Caron) Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 18:35:39 -0400 Subject: Dropbox help and beta location In-Reply-To: <456BAAB5326D406CBC27F199C2516CCF@YOURZ8KUJVJGKY> References: <2FF70CFD-5B91-4110-8028-65E4E3FB3EEF@Mac-Access.net> <456BAAB5326D406CBC27F199C2516CCF@YOURZ8KUJVJGKY> Message-ID: <86E0E9C8-54C6-4940-85DE-B16A9CA2011C@Mac-Access.net> Hi Jeff, I found the latest Dropbox Beta and it is number 1.2 something and I was running 1.1 something. I now seem to be up and running correctly. Also, a bonus Dropbox seems to be giving me more feedback. When the files are updated I get a announcement telling me how many files have changed. When I deleted a folder another announcement popped up with details. It seemed to be working well with voice over. I'm not using growl so this was all part of the Dropbox update. I did find the tip about running the app from the disk image helpful. I had to use the volume that opened on the desktop. I also made sure the old Dropbox was closed by closing it in activity monitor. Eric Caron On Oct 4, 2011, at 3:22 AM, Geoff Waaler wrote: > Hi Eric, > > About six weeks ago I installed DropBox 1.1.43 which was then the current public release. Following these lists I was under the impression that I would need to install a beta, but perhaps their accessibility improvements made it to the public release by the time I finally took off my SendSpace blinders and decided to give DropBox a try. > > As you probably already know, you need to install from the disk image, but so far that was my only glitch. > > You probably already tried this but I noticed that interacting with the file affects my available choices in the context menu. After interacting with a file in my public folder, and pressing vo-shift-m for the context menu, I see a dropbox submenu which includes an option to copy the file link within. > > If this is not showing up for you, perhaps you might want to try reinstalling DropBox from scratch? > > Best regards. > Geoff > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Eric Caron > To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility > Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 9:48 PM > Subject: Dropbox help and beta location > > > Hi listers, > > I'm using Lyon and am having Dropbox trouble. I can not find the Dropbox option item in the context menu in the public folder. thus I can't send a file that way. Also my shared folders seem to no longer be working. > > I fixed this problem many weeks ago by installing a Beta. Now it seems all broken again. Is there a newer Beta out there? I would love a link or a web site. I went to dropbox but did not see the beta. I tried the current version there but my computer said it was a older version when I went to put it into my applications folder. So I did not use it, > Any dropbox tips for me? Or, a lead on where the latest beta is hiding? > > eric Caron > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From geoff.waaler at gmail.com Wed Oct 5 00:16:46 2011 From: geoff.waaler at gmail.com (Geoff Waaler) Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 19:16:46 -0400 Subject: iphone 4s References: <174F1FB8-74CF-48F5-BD89-274A213CCCB7@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Donal, I'm no Apple fan boy as you would no doubt have surmised from my previous post, but unlike most on this and another list I'm kind of excited. Perhaps if I upgraded from the 3GS to the 4 last year I would feel differently, but even in that event I would have considered the augmentation of the camera, battery life and processor. I would agree with you and Rose that Siri doesn't sound like a big deal, but I suspect I'll come to wonder how I ever managed without it. Case in point -- I was meeting a plane and asked the free siri app "what's the status of USScare flight 999 and it came back immediately with an arrival time and gate number. Now, using the 4S I can get this integrated into the OS without having to launch the app or play around with the web page? I suspect there will be a number of innovative ways to exploit this functionality!! Totally agree with you about politicians though :). Best regards. Geoff ----- Original Message ----- From: D?nal Fitzpatrick To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2011 5:45 PM Subject: Re: iphone 4s it simply uses words, extrapolates context using some kind of ruleset and gives back answers. Essentially we've waited 16 months for a device with a faster chipset, a better antenna oh and voice recognition packaged as a personal assistant. A triumph of marketing over content.. Who knows, the people who put that little lot together are probably the same geniuses who put the spin on unpopular government policy. *smile* I'll probably still buy one though because my poor old 3gs is starting to give up the ghost. I'll now await the collective explosions from the apple-can-do-no-wrong fundamentalists! Cheers D?nal On 4 Oct 2011, at 22:40, Orin wrote: > It's more than VOice Recognition. It's an assistant, which is more than Voice Rec. > Orin > orin8722 at gmail.com > Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/orinks > Skype: orin1112 > > > > On Oct 4, 2011, at 4:12 PM, william lomas wrote: > >> so voice recognition is only on iPhone 4s? >> ripoff >> why would i want a new phone just for that feature? >> true we have it seems faster processor but ios five works on current devices >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > D?nal Fitzpatrick dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: or at the public Mail Archive: . Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie Wed Oct 5 01:01:20 2011 From: dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie (=?iso-8859-1?Q?D=F3nal_Fitzpatrick?=) Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 01:01:20 +0100 Subject: iphone 4s In-Reply-To: References: <174F1FB8-74CF-48F5-BD89-274A213CCCB7@gmail.com> Message-ID: Geoff I completely take your point. I'm on a 3gs as well, and it is literally about to die. The lock button takes about four presses before it does anything; I could go on. My point was that if I didn't have to update I probably wouldn't bother. Now that being said, the obvious come-back is "well why not just go for the 4?". And this is fair enough. Two reasons: 1. I suspect the price differential on Irish networks won't be enough to warrant using legacy technology. If it is, I might actually consider it. 2. I'm curious from both a user perspective, and that of a research practitioner. SUre I'll play with the voice assistant why not, it's there. Regarding the camera, I again take the point. However, it all depends on what lens is in thee device (something I've no idea about). Yes, the greater resolution *should* make OCR very interesting indeed. However, if the camera is designed to take good photos containing objects, say 5 feet away, it may not work close-up. (disclaimer: I'm no expert here but I've just had a conversation with someone who spends thousands on lenses so I'll trust his judgement). He reckons it should be good, though whether it proves as useful as we all hope remains to be seen. In short, this device is nice; nothing wrong with it, but nothing to get over-excited with either. But it's also not a surprise really. Apple went to the 3gs before the 4, so the odds are there will be another new toy sometime next year that actually moves the game forward a bit. I liked your example of the flight query though. There's no doubt this app is very cleverly using context. *laughing* Can I justify this as a "teaching aide" for my course in human-computer-interaction this semester? absolutely. Will I get my school to pay for it? Oh well, it was just a thought and worth a try! D?nal > Hi Donal, > > I'm no Apple fan boy as you would no doubt have surmised from my previous post, but unlike most on this and another list I'm kind of excited. Perhaps if I upgraded from the 3GS to the 4 last year I would feel differently, but even in that event I would have considered the augmentation of the camera, battery life and processor. > > I would agree with you and Rose that Siri doesn't sound like a big deal, but I suspect I'll come to wonder how I ever managed without it. Case in point -- I was meeting a plane and asked the free siri app "what's the status of USScare flight 999 and it came back immediately with an arrival time and gate number. Now, using the 4S I can get this integrated into the OS without having to launch the app or play around with the web page? I suspect there will be a number of innovative ways to exploit this functionality!! > > Totally agree with you about politicians though :). > > Best regards. > Geoff > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: D?nal Fitzpatrick > To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility > Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2011 5:45 PM > Subject: Re: iphone 4s > > > it simply uses words, extrapolates context using some kind of ruleset and gives back answers. > > Essentially we've waited 16 months for a device with a faster chipset, a better antenna oh and voice recognition packaged as a personal assistant. A triumph of marketing over content.. Who knows, the people who put that little lot together are probably the same geniuses who put the spin on unpopular government policy. > > *smile* I'll probably still buy one though because my poor old 3gs is starting to give up the ghost. I'll now await the collective explosions from the apple-can-do-no-wrong fundamentalists! > > Cheers > > D?nal > On 4 Oct 2011, at 22:40, Orin wrote: > >> It's more than VOice Recognition. It's an assistant, which is more than Voice Rec. >> Orin >> orin8722 at gmail.com >> Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/orinks >> Skype: orin1112 >> >> >> >> On Oct 4, 2011, at 4:12 PM, william lomas wrote: >> >>> so voice recognition is only on iPhone 4s? >>> ripoff >>> why would i want a new phone just for that feature? >>> true we have it seems faster processor but ios five works on current devices >>> >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>> >>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>> . >>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > D?nal Fitzpatrick > dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie > > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > D?nal Fitzpatrick dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie From n0oxy at charter.net Wed Oct 5 01:16:42 2011 From: n0oxy at charter.net (Mike Arrigo) Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 19:16:42 -0500 Subject: ChromeVox is now on the Chrome Web Store! In-Reply-To: References: <15103039.761.1317687833231.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@prib32> <16E1425887DF42818ACB88381DDC084C@YOURZ8KUJVJGKY> Message-ID: Does chrome vox work correctly with dynamic web pages? I know this was an issue previously. I would say that you have been able to browse the web on the mac productively for a while, at least since I've had a mac. Guess I have not had the safari issues that some users have. On Oct 4, 2011, at 5:09 AM, Kevin Chao wrote: > Hi Jeff, > > You're very welcome. > > Not only does Chrome and ChromeVox finally make web browsing very > viable and possible on Mac OS X. It also brings productivity by way > ofDocs, which I've been using a lot for past 2 weeks and it's > absolutely wonderful, great, and awesome. From web browsing to > productivity and everything in between using Chrome and ChromeVox, > it's very productive, effective, and efficient. > > Google has done an amazing job with accessibility, great their very > open to input/feedback, interactive, and willing to address concerns > so rapidly. > > I'll continue to thoroughly test and document any/all issues for > Google as it's been a great experience, one I really enjoy, and it's > great to see that it benefits so many. Now, ChromeVox is in Chrome web > store, I really hope that more will be aware of it, and be able to use > it. > > Kevin > > On 10/4/11, Geoff Waaler wrote: >> Hi Kevin, >> >> Thanks so much for this as it did indeed resolve my ChromeVOX issue on Lion >> posted in detail on Friday. >> >> You've clearly been doing an excellent job testing and thoroughly >> documenting issues for Google, and thanks to your efforts this may finally >> result in a viable browsing option on MacOS. >> >> Best regards and keep up the great work! >> Geoff >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Kevin Chao >> To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility >> Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 10:54 PM >> Subject: Fwd: ChromeVox is now on the Chrome Web Store! >> >> >> This is wonderful, fantastic, and awesome! It will resolve 99.99% of >> installation/initial setup issues. >> >> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >> From: rshearer >> Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 17:23:53 -0700 (PDT) >> Subject: ChromeVox is now on the Chrome Web Store! >> To: axs-chrome-discuss at googlegroups.com >> >> Hi everybody, >> >> I've mentioned this on a couple threads already, but I thought I would >> make >> an announcement to the group... >> >> We just added ChromeVox to the Chrome Web Store! Hooray! >> >> Here are some of the advantages to installing ChromeVox from the Web >> Store: >> - You'll get automatic updates >> - Version numbers mean something >> - We have a fancy new icon :) >> >> I updated the Installation Instructions here: >> http://code.google.com/p/google-axs-chrome/wiki/InstallingChromeVox and >> they >> describe how to download it from the Web Store. >> >> Here is the quick version: >> 1) Make sure you're running Chrome 14 or higher >> 2) Uninstall any previous version of ChromeVox >> 3) Go to the ChromeVox page in the Chrome Web Store: >> https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/kgejglhpjiefppelpmljglcjbhoiplfn >> 4) Click on the "Add to Chrome" button >> 5) A dialog should pop up titled "Confirm Installation" that lists the >> permissions that ChromeVox needs. We have a wiki page now about why we >> need >> these permissions if you're interested: >> http://code.google.com/p/google-axs-chrome/wiki/PermissionsGuide . Click >> on >> the "Install" button to complete the installation process. >> 6) Yay, ChromeVox is now installed! >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to >> mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum >> at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus >> and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting >> the list website at: >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to >> mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at >> either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus >> and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting >> the list website at: >> >> > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From mmaslo1964 at swbell.net Wed Oct 5 01:19:33 2011 From: mmaslo1964 at swbell.net (michael maslo) Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 19:19:33 -0500 Subject: ChromeVox is now on the Chrome Web Store! In-Reply-To: References: <15103039.761.1317687833231.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@prib32> <16E1425887DF42818ACB88381DDC084C@YOURZ8KUJVJGKY> Message-ID: <9D3E4B6D-0B43-4214-92FA-A1E20C5390D3@swbell.net> is there a help file for how to use this? I can't figure out how to move around the web site. On Oct 4, 2011, at 7:16 PM, Mike Arrigo wrote: > Does chrome vox work correctly with dynamic web pages? I know this was an issue previously. I would say that you have been able to browse the web on the mac productively for a while, at least since I've had a mac. Guess I have not had the safari issues that some users have. > On Oct 4, 2011, at 5:09 AM, Kevin Chao wrote: > >> Hi Jeff, >> >> You're very welcome. >> >> Not only does Chrome and ChromeVox finally make web browsing very >> viable and possible on Mac OS X. It also brings productivity by way >> ofDocs, which I've been using a lot for past 2 weeks and it's >> absolutely wonderful, great, and awesome. From web browsing to >> productivity and everything in between using Chrome and ChromeVox, >> it's very productive, effective, and efficient. >> >> Google has done an amazing job with accessibility, great their very >> open to input/feedback, interactive, and willing to address concerns >> so rapidly. >> >> I'll continue to thoroughly test and document any/all issues for >> Google as it's been a great experience, one I really enjoy, and it's >> great to see that it benefits so many. Now, ChromeVox is in Chrome web >> store, I really hope that more will be aware of it, and be able to use >> it. >> >> Kevin >> >> On 10/4/11, Geoff Waaler wrote: >>> Hi Kevin, >>> >>> Thanks so much for this as it did indeed resolve my ChromeVOX issue on Lion >>> posted in detail on Friday. >>> >>> You've clearly been doing an excellent job testing and thoroughly >>> documenting issues for Google, and thanks to your efforts this may finally >>> result in a viable browsing option on MacOS. >>> >>> Best regards and keep up the great work! >>> Geoff >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Kevin Chao >>> To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility >>> Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 10:54 PM >>> Subject: Fwd: ChromeVox is now on the Chrome Web Store! >>> >>> >>> This is wonderful, fantastic, and awesome! It will resolve 99.99% of >>> installation/initial setup issues. >>> >>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>> From: rshearer >>> Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 17:23:53 -0700 (PDT) >>> Subject: ChromeVox is now on the Chrome Web Store! >>> To: axs-chrome-discuss at googlegroups.com >>> >>> Hi everybody, >>> >>> I've mentioned this on a couple threads already, but I thought I would >>> make >>> an announcement to the group... >>> >>> We just added ChromeVox to the Chrome Web Store! Hooray! >>> >>> Here are some of the advantages to installing ChromeVox from the Web >>> Store: >>> - You'll get automatic updates >>> - Version numbers mean something >>> - We have a fancy new icon :) >>> >>> I updated the Installation Instructions here: >>> http://code.google.com/p/google-axs-chrome/wiki/InstallingChromeVox and >>> they >>> describe how to download it from the Web Store. >>> >>> Here is the quick version: >>> 1) Make sure you're running Chrome 14 or higher >>> 2) Uninstall any previous version of ChromeVox >>> 3) Go to the ChromeVox page in the Chrome Web Store: >>> https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/kgejglhpjiefppelpmljglcjbhoiplfn >>> 4) Click on the "Add to Chrome" button >>> 5) A dialog should pop up titled "Confirm Installation" that lists the >>> permissions that ChromeVox needs. We have a wiki page now about why we >>> need >>> these permissions if you're interested: >>> http://code.google.com/p/google-axs-chrome/wiki/PermissionsGuide . Click >>> on >>> the "Install" button to complete the installation process. >>> 6) Yay, ChromeVox is now installed! >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to >>> mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum >>> at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>> >>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>> . >>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus >>> and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting >>> the list website at: >>> >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to >>> mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at >>> either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>> >>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>> . >>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus >>> and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting >>> the list website at: >>> >>> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From n0oxy at charter.net Wed Oct 5 01:32:18 2011 From: n0oxy at charter.net (Mike Arrigo) Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 19:32:18 -0500 Subject: iphone 4s In-Reply-To: <174F1FB8-74CF-48F5-BD89-274A213CCCB7@gmail.com> References: <174F1FB8-74CF-48F5-BD89-274A213CCCB7@gmail.com> Message-ID: <9CA1FC91-0D53-4041-B56C-9D36BD3E9EEF@charter.net> As far as the iphone 4 S goes, and this is just my opinion, I don't really think it's revolutionary. Ok, a faster processor and better camera, and it works with GSM and CDMA. The main interest seems to be IOS 5, which in many ways is playing catch up with android, but will be available for previous iphone models. I wonder if Apple will sell the new iphone unlocked on their site? The price seems a bit high though, for the 64 GB model, it's $399 U.S, and that's with a 2 year contract with a carrier. I have paid less for phones that were unlocked, if you have a device that can run IOS 5, I'm not sure it's worth paying for the new iphone. On Oct 4, 2011, at 3:12 PM, william lomas wrote: > so voice recognition is only on iPhone 4s? > ripoff > why would i want a new phone just for that feature? > true we have it seems faster processor but ios five works on current devices > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie Wed Oct 5 01:32:16 2011 From: dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie (=?iso-8859-1?Q?D=F3nal_Fitzpatrick?=) Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 01:32:16 +0100 Subject: ChromeVox is now on the Chrome Web Store! In-Reply-To: <9D3E4B6D-0B43-4214-92FA-A1E20C5390D3@swbell.net> References: <15103039.761.1317687833231.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@prib32> <16E1425887DF42818ACB88381DDC084C@YOURZ8KUJVJGKY> <9D3E4B6D-0B43-4214-92FA-A1E20C5390D3@swbell.net> Message-ID: <0BF78B6B-9EDC-487B-9825-A57EB5BCE4A7@computing.dcu.ie> press ctrl-alt-h once you are in chrome and on a page. On 5 Oct 2011, at 01:19, michael maslo wrote: > is there a help file for how to use this? I can't figure out how to move around the web site. > On Oct 4, 2011, at 7:16 PM, Mike Arrigo wrote: > >> Does chrome vox work correctly with dynamic web pages? I know this was an issue previously. I would say that you have been able to browse the web on the mac productively for a while, at least since I've had a mac. Guess I have not had the safari issues that some users have. >> On Oct 4, 2011, at 5:09 AM, Kevin Chao wrote: >> >>> Hi Jeff, >>> >>> You're very welcome. >>> >>> Not only does Chrome and ChromeVox finally make web browsing very >>> viable and possible on Mac OS X. It also brings productivity by way >>> ofDocs, which I've been using a lot for past 2 weeks and it's >>> absolutely wonderful, great, and awesome. From web browsing to >>> productivity and everything in between using Chrome and ChromeVox, >>> it's very productive, effective, and efficient. >>> >>> Google has done an amazing job with accessibility, great their very >>> open to input/feedback, interactive, and willing to address concerns >>> so rapidly. >>> >>> I'll continue to thoroughly test and document any/all issues for >>> Google as it's been a great experience, one I really enjoy, and it's >>> great to see that it benefits so many. Now, ChromeVox is in Chrome web >>> store, I really hope that more will be aware of it, and be able to use >>> it. >>> >>> Kevin >>> >>> On 10/4/11, Geoff Waaler wrote: >>>> Hi Kevin, >>>> >>>> Thanks so much for this as it did indeed resolve my ChromeVOX issue on Lion >>>> posted in detail on Friday. >>>> >>>> You've clearly been doing an excellent job testing and thoroughly >>>> documenting issues for Google, and thanks to your efforts this may finally >>>> result in a viable browsing option on MacOS. >>>> >>>> Best regards and keep up the great work! >>>> Geoff >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: Kevin Chao >>>> To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility >>>> Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 10:54 PM >>>> Subject: Fwd: ChromeVox is now on the Chrome Web Store! >>>> >>>> >>>> This is wonderful, fantastic, and awesome! It will resolve 99.99% of >>>> installation/initial setup issues. >>>> >>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>>> From: rshearer >>>> Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 17:23:53 -0700 (PDT) >>>> Subject: ChromeVox is now on the Chrome Web Store! >>>> To: axs-chrome-discuss at googlegroups.com >>>> >>>> Hi everybody, >>>> >>>> I've mentioned this on a couple threads already, but I thought I would >>>> make >>>> an announcement to the group... >>>> >>>> We just added ChromeVox to the Chrome Web Store! Hooray! >>>> >>>> Here are some of the advantages to installing ChromeVox from the Web >>>> Store: >>>> - You'll get automatic updates >>>> - Version numbers mean something >>>> - We have a fancy new icon :) >>>> >>>> I updated the Installation Instructions here: >>>> http://code.google.com/p/google-axs-chrome/wiki/InstallingChromeVox and >>>> they >>>> describe how to download it from the Web Store. >>>> >>>> Here is the quick version: >>>> 1) Make sure you're running Chrome 14 or higher >>>> 2) Uninstall any previous version of ChromeVox >>>> 3) Go to the ChromeVox page in the Chrome Web Store: >>>> https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/kgejglhpjiefppelpmljglcjbhoiplfn >>>> 4) Click on the "Add to Chrome" button >>>> 5) A dialog should pop up titled "Confirm Installation" that lists the >>>> permissions that ChromeVox needs. We have a wiki page now about why we >>>> need >>>> these permissions if you're interested: >>>> http://code.google.com/p/google-axs-chrome/wiki/PermissionsGuide . Click >>>> on >>>> the "Install" button to complete the installation process. >>>> 6) Yay, ChromeVox is now installed! >>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to >>>> mac-access at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum >>>> at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>>> >>>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>>> . >>>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>>> >>>> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus >>>> and worm-free! >>>> >>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting >>>> the list website at: >>>> >>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to >>>> mac-access at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at >>>> either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>>> >>>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>>> . >>>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>>> >>>> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus >>>> and worm-free! >>>> >>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting >>>> the list website at: >>>> >>>> >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>> >>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>> . >>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > D?nal Fitzpatrick dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie From dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie Wed Oct 5 01:33:47 2011 From: dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie (=?iso-8859-1?Q?D=F3nal_Fitzpatrick?=) Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 01:33:47 +0100 Subject: Chrome Vox: preliminary thoughts. Message-ID: Hello all, The first thing to say about this is that it is a very very interesting concept indeed. However, given the person who designed it (T. V. Raman) it's not really a surprise. He has always been extraordinarily creative. Before proceeding, I should point out that the chrome add-on uses ctrl-alt as modifier keys. These are the same as the VO keys. 1. navigation. I like the way that a granularity of navigation exists. For those who haven't used Chrome Vox, you can essentially navigate a page by group, object, sentence word or character. So you can skim (metaphorically) over a page, find the portion you're looking for then "zoom in" (to plagiarise a phrase from the user-manual). 2. The use of keyboard mnemonics follows a fairly typical process. However, they've gone for letter sequences rather than single-keystrokes. So for example, to get to the next heading, you press ctrl-alt-n (followed by) ctrl-alt-h. On chrome-os netbooks, there is an equivalent to "key-lock" on VO. I haven't used it on the mac yet, though I'm assured it's there. 3. I find table navigation cumbersome. One can switch to a "table mode" however, while in this, in order to move to adjacent cells, one has to execute a command like ctrl-alt-t (followed by) ctrl-alt-(arrow); where arrow is the direction you wish to move to. Now I understand the logic, I'm just not a big fan. What I think is missing from this is the ability to limit verbosity. Chrome-vox uses earcons (like VO's sounds) to enhance the spoken utterance. I don't like them and can't find a way to turn them off. Secondly, each time I load chrome, the speech settings have adjusted themselves back to default rate, volume and pitch. Now I'd be amazed if they can't be set and stored, I just haven't come across the settings yet. All in all it is good and interesting software, and I think that in future iterations it will prove to be a good and viable alternative. For me, Safari does the job adequately, but I'll keep playing with it. I can easily see how people like Kevin would find it productive; I look forward to trying it with google-docs. All the best, D?nal D?nal Fitzpatrick dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie From dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie Wed Oct 5 01:34:34 2011 From: dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie (=?iso-8859-1?Q?D=F3nal_Fitzpatrick?=) Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 01:34:34 +0100 Subject: iphone 4s In-Reply-To: <9CA1FC91-0D53-4041-B56C-9D36BD3E9EEF@charter.net> References: <174F1FB8-74CF-48F5-BD89-274A213CCCB7@gmail.com> <9CA1FC91-0D53-4041-B56C-9D36BD3E9EEF@charter.net> Message-ID: <3FD0D7EB-1A58-43F3-AE2F-2FD02207AD33@computing.dcu.ie> Well put! On 5 Oct 2011, at 01:32, Mike Arrigo wrote: > As far as the iphone 4 S goes, and this is just my opinion, I don't really think it's revolutionary. Ok, a faster processor and better camera, and it works with GSM and CDMA. The main interest seems to be IOS 5, which in many ways is playing catch up with android, but will be available for previous iphone models. I wonder if Apple will sell the new iphone unlocked on their site? The price seems a bit high though, for the 64 GB model, it's $399 U.S, and that's with a 2 year contract with a carrier. I have paid less for phones that were unlocked, if you have a device that can run IOS 5, I'm not sure it's worth paying for the new iphone. > On Oct 4, 2011, at 3:12 PM, william lomas wrote: > >> so voice recognition is only on iPhone 4s? >> ripoff >> why would i want a new phone just for that feature? >> true we have it seems faster processor but ios five works on current devices >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > D?nal Fitzpatrick dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie From n0oxy at charter.net Wed Oct 5 01:36:55 2011 From: n0oxy at charter.net (Mike Arrigo) Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 19:36:55 -0500 Subject: iphone 4s In-Reply-To: <5E7AD54B-13DC-4CD2-94D3-ECF3AECF1180@chicksdigmacs.net> References: <174F1FB8-74CF-48F5-BD89-274A213CCCB7@gmail.com> <5E7AD54B-13DC-4CD2-94D3-ECF3AECF1180@chicksdigmacs.net> Message-ID: <7EFA3C17-67AF-4A67-A78B-ABCF48E473C4@charter.net> Unless Apple removes some of the restrictions on the camera, a higher resolution camera will not help with OCR. Apple has limited the control developers have with the camera for doing things such as focus, zoom, etc. These are important for text recognition. On Oct 4, 2011, at 5:09 PM, Rose Morales wrote: > I disagree that the iPhone 4S is a let down. The camera alone will be a huge step in the right direction for OCR. I also like that the new iPhones will handle both GSM and CDMA. No having to worry about whether your phone is compatible with what carrier. Just unlock it and you're good to go. Speak to text is also a nifty feature. I probably won't use Seri, but I'm relatively pleased. > > On Oct 4, 2011, at 5:45 PM, D?nal Fitzpatrick wrote: > >> it simply uses words, extrapolates context using some kind of ruleset and gives back answers. >> >> Essentially we've waited 16 months for a device with a faster chipset, a better antenna oh and voice recognition packaged as a personal assistant. A triumph of marketing over content.. Who knows, the people who put that little lot together are probably the same geniuses who put the spin on unpopular government policy. >> >> *smile* I'll probably still buy one though because my poor old 3gs is starting to give up the ghost. I'll now await the collective explosions from the apple-can-do-no-wrong fundamentalists! >> >> Cheers >> >> D?nal >> On 4 Oct 2011, at 22:40, Orin wrote: >> >>> It's more than VOice Recognition. It's an assistant, which is more than Voice Rec. >>> Orin >>> orin8722 at gmail.com >>> Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/orinks >>> Skype: orin1112 >>> >>> >>> >>> On Oct 4, 2011, at 4:12 PM, william lomas wrote: >>> >>>> so voice recognition is only on iPhone 4s? >>>> ripoff >>>> why would i want a new phone just for that feature? >>>> true we have it seems faster processor but ios five works on current devices >>>> >>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>>> >>>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>>> . >>>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>>> >>>> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>> >>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>> >>> >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>> >>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>> . >>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> D?nal Fitzpatrick >> dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie >> >> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From motten53 at gmail.com Wed Oct 5 01:39:44 2011 From: motten53 at gmail.com (Mary Otten) Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 17:39:44 -0700 Subject: iphone 4s In-Reply-To: <3FD0D7EB-1A58-43F3-AE2F-2FD02207AD33@computing.dcu.ie> References: <174F1FB8-74CF-48F5-BD89-274A213CCCB7@gmail.com> <9CA1FC91-0D53-4041-B56C-9D36BD3E9EEF@charter.net> <3FD0D7EB-1A58-43F3-AE2F-2FD02207AD33@computing.dcu.ie> Message-ID: Maybe somebody can explain to me how ios5 is playing catch up with Android for blind users. Other perspectives aren't especially important for us as blind users, right? So on the Android phones, I must have a physical navigation method. No touch screen only devices. Which duel core Android phones with 8mp cameras and a gb of ram plus voice assistant will be available to me? Are they gsm capable as well as cdma? What will they cost? In other words, let us please compare apples and apples here, no pun in tended. I don't care if an all touch screen phone has a bigger screen, slightly faster processor and lets me use external bluetooth devices. If I can't navigate and use the phone to its full potential, why on earth would I want it? Mary Mary Otten motten53 at gmail.com From dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie Wed Oct 5 01:41:50 2011 From: dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie (=?iso-8859-1?Q?D=F3nal_Fitzpatrick?=) Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 01:41:50 +0100 Subject: iphone 4s In-Reply-To: <7EFA3C17-67AF-4A67-A78B-ABCF48E473C4@charter.net> References: <174F1FB8-74CF-48F5-BD89-274A213CCCB7@gmail.com> <5E7AD54B-13DC-4CD2-94D3-ECF3AECF1180@chicksdigmacs.net> <7EFA3C17-67AF-4A67-A78B-ABCF48E473C4@charter.net> Message-ID: <45D46BAF-4141-436A-928D-92DA1656BF64@computing.dcu.ie> I know that the flash also used to play a large part in the quality of the OCR, but I'm no expert in lenses and camera technology so am not sure if it's still a factor. I remember the N82 had a xenon flash as opposed to the LED one found on other models. Even then a polarising filter had to be fitted (if memory serves) On 5 Oct 2011, at 01:36, Mike Arrigo wrote: > Unless Apple removes some of the restrictions on the camera, a higher resolution camera will not help with OCR. Apple has limited the control developers have with the camera for doing things such as focus, zoom, etc. These are important for text recognition. > On Oct 4, 2011, at 5:09 PM, Rose Morales wrote: > >> I disagree that the iPhone 4S is a let down. The camera alone will be a huge step in the right direction for OCR. I also like that the new iPhones will handle both GSM and CDMA. No having to worry about whether your phone is compatible with what carrier. Just unlock it and you're good to go. Speak to text is also a nifty feature. I probably won't use Seri, but I'm relatively pleased. >> >> On Oct 4, 2011, at 5:45 PM, D?nal Fitzpatrick wrote: >> >>> it simply uses words, extrapolates context using some kind of ruleset and gives back answers. >>> >>> Essentially we've waited 16 months for a device with a faster chipset, a better antenna oh and voice recognition packaged as a personal assistant. A triumph of marketing over content.. Who knows, the people who put that little lot together are probably the same geniuses who put the spin on unpopular government policy. >>> >>> *smile* I'll probably still buy one though because my poor old 3gs is starting to give up the ghost. I'll now await the collective explosions from the apple-can-do-no-wrong fundamentalists! >>> >>> Cheers >>> >>> D?nal >>> On 4 Oct 2011, at 22:40, Orin wrote: >>> >>>> It's more than VOice Recognition. It's an assistant, which is more than Voice Rec. >>>> Orin >>>> orin8722 at gmail.com >>>> Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/orinks >>>> Skype: orin1112 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Oct 4, 2011, at 4:12 PM, william lomas wrote: >>>> >>>>> so voice recognition is only on iPhone 4s? >>>>> ripoff >>>>> why would i want a new phone just for that feature? >>>>> true we have it seems faster processor but ios five works on current devices >>>>> >>>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>>> >>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>> >>>>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>>>> >>>>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>>>> . >>>>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>>> >>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>>> >>>> >>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>>> >>>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>>> . >>>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>>> >>>> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>> >>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>> >>> >>> D?nal Fitzpatrick >>> dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie >>> >>> >>> >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>> >>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>> . >>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > D?nal Fitzpatrick dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie From mmaslo1964 at swbell.net Wed Oct 5 02:13:08 2011 From: mmaslo1964 at swbell.net (michael maslo) Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 20:13:08 -0500 Subject: twitter Message-ID: Hi list: What is a good twitter client for the mac lions? Any suggestions would be appreciated. I prefer free if possible. From ianandriggs at googlemail.com Wed Oct 5 02:21:02 2011 From: ianandriggs at googlemail.com (Ian McNamara) Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 02:21:02 +0100 Subject: twitter In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi i use yaroo it is a good cliant and it updates instantly just type it in to google it si called yaroo figuroo. From geoff.waaler at gmail.com Wed Oct 5 02:24:12 2011 From: geoff.waaler at gmail.com (Geoff Waaler) Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 21:24:12 -0400 Subject: Chrome Vox: preliminary thoughts. References: Message-ID: Kevin C already brought a few of these issues to Google's attention on another list -- specifically the cumbersome table navigation and inability to save speech settings. This is why I wanted to give a little hat tip since I know good testing when I see it. It may be a good idea to join one of those lists and add your feedback to Kevin's though -- hey perhaps in the feedback department I can try practicing what I preach :). Best regards. Geoff ----- Original Message ----- From: D?nal Fitzpatrick To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2011 8:33 PM Subject: Chrome Vox: preliminary thoughts. Hello all, The first thing to say about this is that it is a very very interesting concept indeed. However, given the person who designed it (T. V. Raman) it's not really a surprise. He has always been extraordinarily creative. Before proceeding, I should point out that the chrome add-on uses ctrl-alt as modifier keys. These are the same as the VO keys. 1. navigation. I like the way that a granularity of navigation exists. For those who haven't used Chrome Vox, you can essentially navigate a page by group, object, sentence word or character. So you can skim (metaphorically) over a page, find the portion you're looking for then "zoom in" (to plagiarise a phrase from the user-manual). 2. The use of keyboard mnemonics follows a fairly typical process. However, they've gone for letter sequences rather than single-keystrokes. So for example, to get to the next heading, you press ctrl-alt-n (followed by) ctrl-alt-h. On chrome-os netbooks, there is an equivalent to "key-lock" on VO. I haven't used it on the mac yet, though I'm assured it's there. 3. I find table navigation cumbersome. One can switch to a "table mode" however, while in this, in order to move to adjacent cells, one has to execute a command like ctrl-alt-t (followed by) ctrl-alt-(arrow); where arrow is the direction you wish to move to. Now I understand the logic, I'm just not a big fan. What I think is missing from this is the ability to limit verbosity. Chrome-vox uses earcons (like VO's sounds) to enhance the spoken utterance. I don't like them and can't find a way to turn them off. Secondly, each time I load chrome, the speech settings have adjusted themselves back to default rate, volume and pitch. Now I'd be amazed if they can't be set and stored, I just haven't come across the settings yet. All in all it is good and interesting software, and I think that in future iterations it will prove to be a good and viable alternative. For me, Safari does the job adequately, but I'll keep playing with it. I can easily see how people like Kevin would find it productive; I look forward to trying it with google-docs. All the best, D?nal D?nal Fitzpatrick dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: or at the public Mail Archive: . Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From n0oxy at charter.net Wed Oct 5 03:45:19 2011 From: n0oxy at charter.net (Mike Arrigo) Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 21:45:19 -0500 Subject: iphone 4s In-Reply-To: References: <174F1FB8-74CF-48F5-BD89-274A213CCCB7@gmail.com> <9CA1FC91-0D53-4041-B56C-9D36BD3E9EEF@charter.net> <3FD0D7EB-1A58-43F3-AE2F-2FD02207AD33@computing.dcu.ie> Message-ID: <8DA80231-4147-4A4F-87D7-E727F397F421@charter.net> The big area where apple is playing catch up is by using the cloud. The ability to sync between devices, and not having to use itunes nearly as much. Also, speech recognition and the ability to dictate text, android has had this for quite some time. Android still provides free turn by turn directions, but this must be purchased for the iphone. The iphone is also more expensive, don't get me wrong, the iphone is a good product, but many of the things apple is introducing are already on android. One thing that is important for me is the ability to connect an android phone to a computer, and it will show up as a drive, I can simply copy and delete files. Compared to android, the iphone is a bit restrictive. On Oct 4, 2011, at 7:39 PM, Mary Otten wrote: > Maybe somebody can explain to me how ios5 is playing catch up with Android for blind users. Other perspectives aren't especially important for us as blind users, right? So on the Android phones, I must have a physical navigation method. No touch screen only devices. Which duel core Android phones with 8mp cameras and a gb of ram plus voice assistant will be available to me? Are they gsm capable as well as cdma? What will they cost? In other words, let us please compare apples and apples here, no pun in tended. I don't care if an all touch screen phone has a bigger screen, slightly faster processor and lets me use external bluetooth devices. If I can't navigate and use the phone to its full potential, why on earth would I want it? > > Mary > > Mary Otten > motten53 at gmail.com > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From mmaslo1964 at swbell.net Wed Oct 5 04:00:47 2011 From: mmaslo1964 at swbell.net (michael maslo) Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 22:00:47 -0500 Subject: Twitter again Message-ID: Hi list: Someone told me a program by the name of yaroo or something like that but I was unable to locate it on google. Can someone else tell me a good twitter client please that works well with the mac? Thanks in advance. From will.d.lomas at gmail.com Wed Oct 5 05:07:43 2011 From: will.d.lomas at gmail.com (william lomas) Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 05:07:43 +0100 Subject: iphone 4s In-Reply-To: <8DA80231-4147-4A4F-87D7-E727F397F421@charter.net> References: <174F1FB8-74CF-48F5-BD89-274A213CCCB7@gmail.com> <9CA1FC91-0D53-4041-B56C-9D36BD3E9EEF@charter.net> <3FD0D7EB-1A58-43F3-AE2F-2FD02207AD33@computing.dcu.ie> <8DA80231-4147-4A4F-87D7-E727F397F421@charter.net> Message-ID: <01094444-6447-4BDC-8916-85E7A4691901@gmail.com> it is true if android let me use touch screen as i do on iPhone i'd go for it On Oct 5, 2011, at 3:45 AM, Mike Arrigo wrote: > The big area where apple is playing catch up is by using the cloud. The ability to sync between devices, and not having to use itunes nearly as much. Also, speech recognition and the ability to dictate text, android has had this for quite some time. Android still provides free turn by turn directions, but this must be purchased for the iphone. The iphone is also more expensive, don't get me wrong, the iphone is a good product, but many of the things apple is introducing are already on android. One thing that is important for me is the ability to connect an android phone to a computer, and it will show up as a drive, I can simply copy and delete files. Compared to android, the iphone is a bit restrictive. > On Oct 4, 2011, at 7:39 PM, Mary Otten wrote: > >> Maybe somebody can explain to me how ios5 is playing catch up with Android for blind users. Other perspectives aren't especially important for us as blind users, right? So on the Android phones, I must have a physical navigation method. No touch screen only devices. Which duel core Android phones with 8mp cameras and a gb of ram plus voice assistant will be available to me? Are they gsm capable as well as cdma? What will they cost? In other words, let us please compare apples and apples here, no pun in tended. I don't care if an all touch screen phone has a bigger screen, slightly faster processor and lets me use external bluetooth devices. If I can't navigate and use the phone to its full potential, why on earth would I want it? >> >> Mary >> >> Mary Otten >> motten53 at gmail.com >> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From d.griffith at btinternet.com Wed Oct 5 10:38:47 2011 From: d.griffith at btinternet.com (David Griffith) Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 10:38:47 +0100 Subject: Problem Downloading Google chrome In-Reply-To: References: <52D4A20D-3AED-4B21-A472-78D36BC70C27@btinternet.com> Message-ID: Thakns for advice. Yes going back and selecting the language did then mean that the download commenced. It is odd that a more helpful message was not produced by the web page rather than a simple thanks for downloading a product that was not in fact downloading. A simple error message saying please select language would have been much less confusing. Thanks again. Now Ihave to go and find the link to Chrome Box David Griffith d.griffith at btinternet.com On 4 Oct 2011, at 18:09, D?nal Fitzpatrick wrote: > I just tried again. This time it worked. Be very sure you select the language for the browser before downloading. > On 4 Oct 2011, at 18:05, D?nal Fitzpatrick wrote: > >> I just tried this and can verify the behaviour described. >> On 4 Oct 2011, at 17:56, David Griffith wrote: >> >>> Dear list >>> after the favourable reviews of google chrome on the Mac I have now attempted to download the application several times. >>> I go to the download page and then click the agree and download button. >>> I am then taken to a page which thanks me for downloading google Chrome. >>> I have now followed this link 6 times and still nothing has been downloaded into my downloads folder. >>> To check that general Safari downloads are working I downloaded another file, actually an mp3 file today, this went fine into my downloads folder. >>> I have tried restarting my Mac. >>> Pressing the downloads button in Safari does not result in any downloads listed for download. >>> I am using the latest build of Webkit nightly build on Lion. >>> >>> Does anybody have any idea as to why it is impossible for me to download Google Chrome? >>> David Griffith >>> d.griffith at btinternet.com >>> >>> >>> >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>> >>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>> . >>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> D?nal Fitzpatrick >> dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie >> >> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > D?nal Fitzpatrick > dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie > > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From support at mac-access.net Wed Oct 5 11:24:01 2011 From: support at mac-access.net (Gordon & Lynne) Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 11:24:01 +0100 Subject: Lists, a question Message-ID: <90A44142-D968-48F5-A24D-6B9B77C82AAE@mac-access.net> Hello all I have been approached by a member with a view to establishing a list dedicated to iOS-Access. Do others think it would be helpful to separate mac-access and iO-Access? If so, we're more than happy to do so. We already have the domain registered, so it would be no problem. Please reply off list. . Lynne From chojiro1990 at gmail.com Wed Oct 5 11:24:05 2011 From: chojiro1990 at gmail.com (Nicolai Svendsen) Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 12:24:05 +0200 Subject: twitter In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi! You can also get YoruFukurou off of the App Store. http://itunes.apple.com/dk/app/yorufukurou/id428834068?mt=12 Additionally, here's the link to the application from their website. http://aki-null.net/yf/YoruFukurou_SL.zip This is the same as distributed on the App Store. Regards, Nic On Oct 5, 2011, at 3:21 AM, Ian McNamara wrote: > Hi i use yaroo it is a good cliant and it updates instantly just type it in to google it si called yaroo figuroo. > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From grtdane at internode.on.net Wed Oct 5 11:47:30 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 21:47:30 +1100 Subject: Lists, a question In-Reply-To: <90A44142-D968-48F5-A24D-6B9B77C82AAE@mac-access.net> References: <90A44142-D968-48F5-A24D-6B9B77C82AAE@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <0BB9507F-9D91-48A8-B53F-2AB3815FE4DE@internode.on.net> Too many lists! We already have at least 3 IOS lists as is. As Mac and IOS devices are often integrated with each other anyway I don't see the point of starting a dedicated IOS list. I even wonder at times as to the point of a Mac-access list? The list content is highly valued and its a good resource but what happens when someone wants to use Windows or another operating system on their Mac? Well the list ain't too good to them is it if they wish to rais points regarding Windows . On 05/10/2011, at 9:24 PM, Gordon & Lynne wrote: > Hello all > > I have been approached by a member with a view to establishing a list dedicated to iOS-Access. Do others think it would be helpful to separate mac-access and iO-Access? If so, we're more than happy to do so. We already have the domain registered, so it would be no problem. > > Please reply off list. . > > Lynne > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From marcy.weinberg1 at gmail.com Wed Oct 5 12:01:51 2011 From: marcy.weinberg1 at gmail.com (Marcy Weinberg) Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 07:01:51 -0400 Subject: iphone 4s In-Reply-To: <8DA80231-4147-4A4F-87D7-E727F397F421@charter.net> References: <174F1FB8-74CF-48F5-BD89-274A213CCCB7@gmail.com> <9CA1FC91-0D53-4041-B56C-9D36BD3E9EEF@charter.net> <3FD0D7EB-1A58-43F3-AE2F-2FD02207AD33@computing.dcu.ie> <8DA80231-4147-4A4F-87D7-E727F397F421@charter.net> Message-ID: <9B096602-9217-414E-982A-A006E9591F5D@gmail.com> But the iPhone still has something well over the android, that being accessibility. On Oct 4, 2011, at 10:45 PM, Mike Arrigo wrote: The big area where apple is playing catch up is by using the cloud. The ability to sync between devices, and not having to use itunes nearly as much. Also, speech recognition and the ability to dictate text, android has had this for quite some time. Android still provides free turn by turn directions, but this must be purchased for the iphone. The iphone is also more expensive, don't get me wrong, the iphone is a good product, but many of the things apple is introducing are already on android. One thing that is important for me is the ability to connect an android phone to a computer, and it will show up as a drive, I can simply copy and delete files. Compared to android, the iphone is a bit restrictive. On Oct 4, 2011, at 7:39 PM, Mary Otten wrote: > Maybe somebody can explain to me how ios5 is playing catch up with Android for blind users. Other perspectives aren't especially important for us as blind users, right? So on the Android phones, I must have a physical navigation method. No touch screen only devices. Which duel core Android phones with 8mp cameras and a gb of ram plus voice assistant will be available to me? Are they gsm capable as well as cdma? What will they cost? In other words, let us please compare apples and apples here, no pun in tended. I don't care if an all touch screen phone has a bigger screen, slightly faster processor and lets me use external bluetooth devices. If I can't navigate and use the phone to its full potential, why on earth would I want it? > > Mary > > Mary Otten > motten53 at gmail.com > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: or at the public Mail Archive: . Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: -- Marcy marcy.weinberg1 at gmail.com From support at mac-access.net Wed Oct 5 12:05:59 2011 From: support at mac-access.net (Gordon & Lynne) Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 12:05:59 +0100 Subject: More On iOS List Message-ID: <35070422-23A4-483C-AA80-A04245F48291@mac-access.net> Hello again everybody Well, that brought quite a lot of response, so thank you. Actually, Gordon and I both feel that there's no need for another iOS list, since this one already has facilities for both the discussion of Mac and iOS. But we were approached by a member, so we thought we'd give people the opportunity to respond. So we'll leave things as they are, since this group already covers both iOS and Mac OS. Again, we were just acting on feedback but I don't think there's much point in re-inventing the wheel. :) Lynne From grtdane at internode.on.net Wed Oct 5 12:08:55 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane trethowan) Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2011 22:08:55 +1100 Subject: iphone 4s In-Reply-To: <9B096602-9217-414E-982A-A006E9591F5D@gmail.com> References: <174F1FB8-74CF-48F5-BD89-274A213CCCB7@gmail.com> <9CA1FC91-0D53-4041-B56C-9D36BD3E9EEF@charter.net> <3FD0D7EB-1A58-43F3-AE2F-2FD02207AD33@computing.dcu.ie> <8DA80231-4147-4A4F-87D7-E727F397F421@charter.net> <9B096602-9217-414E-982A-A006E9591F5D@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4E8C3AC7.5010605@internode.on.net> I'm not going to comment much on this as its getting to be off topic but your comment is very subjective. Some may say that the Android devices are - in some respects - more accessible than the IOS devices and we're seeing steady progress as development in this area continues. On 5/10/2011 10:01 PM, Marcy Weinberg wrote: > But the iPhone still has something well over the android, that being accessibility. > > On Oct 4, 2011, at 10:45 PM, Mike Arrigo wrote: > > The big area where apple is playing catch up is by using the cloud. The ability to sync between devices, and not having to use itunes nearly as much. Also, speech recognition and the ability to dictate text, android has had this for quite some time. Android still provides free turn by turn directions, but this must be purchased for the iphone. The iphone is also more expensive, don't get me wrong, the iphone is a good product, but many of the things apple is introducing are already on android. One thing that is important for me is the ability to connect an android phone to a computer, and it will show up as a drive, I can simply copy and delete files. Compared to android, the iphone is a bit restrictive. > On Oct 4, 2011, at 7:39 PM, Mary Otten wrote: > >> Maybe somebody can explain to me how ios5 is playing catch up with Android for blind users. Other perspectives aren't especially important for us as blind users, right? So on the Android phones, I must have a physical navigation method. No touch screen only devices. Which duel core Android phones with 8mp cameras and a gb of ram plus voice assistant will be available to me? Are they gsm capable as well as cdma? What will they cost? In other words, let us please compare apples and apples here, no pun in tended. I don't care if an all touch screen phone has a bigger screen, slightly faster processor and lets me use external bluetooth devices. If I can't navigate and use the phone to its full potential, why on earth would I want it? >> >> Mary >> >> Mary Otten >> motten53 at gmail.com >> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > > From jonathan.tyrer at gmail.com Wed Oct 5 12:48:00 2011 From: jonathan.tyrer at gmail.com (Jonathan Tyrer) Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 12:48:00 +0100 Subject: iphone 4s In-Reply-To: <4E8C3AC7.5010605@internode.on.net> References: <174F1FB8-74CF-48F5-BD89-274A213CCCB7@gmail.com> <9CA1FC91-0D53-4041-B56C-9D36BD3E9EEF@charter.net> <3FD0D7EB-1A58-43F3-AE2F-2FD02207AD33@computing.dcu.ie> <8DA80231-4147-4A4F-87D7-E727F397F421@charter.net> <9B096602-9217-414E-982A-A006E9591F5D@gmail.com> <4E8C3AC7.5010605@internode.on.net> Message-ID: I seriusly love to hear how Android is more accessible. Maybe you'd let me know off-list? JT On 05/10/2011, Dane trethowan wrote: > I'm not going to comment much on this as its getting to be off topic but > your comment is very subjective. Some may say that the Android devices > are - in some respects - more accessible than the IOS devices and we're > seeing steady progress as development in this area continues. > > > > On 5/10/2011 10:01 PM, Marcy Weinberg wrote: >> But the iPhone still has something well over the android, that being >> accessibility. >> >> On Oct 4, 2011, at 10:45 PM, Mike Arrigo wrote: >> >> The big area where apple is playing catch up is by using the cloud. The >> ability to sync between devices, and not having to use itunes nearly as >> much. Also, speech recognition and the ability to dictate text, android >> has had this for quite some time. Android still provides free turn by turn >> directions, but this must be purchased for the iphone. The iphone is also >> more expensive, don't get me wrong, the iphone is a good product, but many >> of the things apple is introducing are already on android. One thing that >> is important for me is the ability to connect an android phone to a >> computer, and it will show up as a drive, I can simply copy and delete >> files. Compared to android, the iphone is a bit restrictive. >> On Oct 4, 2011, at 7:39 PM, Mary Otten wrote: >> >>> Maybe somebody can explain to me how ios5 is playing catch up with >>> Android for blind users. Other perspectives aren't especially important >>> for us as blind users, right? So on the Android phones, I must have a >>> physical navigation method. No touch screen only devices. Which duel core >>> Android phones with 8mp cameras and a gb of ram plus voice assistant >>> will be available to me? Are they gsm capable as well as cdma? What will >>> they cost? In other words, let us please compare apples and apples here, >>> no pun in tended. I don't care if an all touch screen phone has a bigger >>> screen, slightly faster processor and lets me use external bluetooth >>> devices. If I can't navigate and use the phone to its full potential, why >>> on earth would I want it? >>> >>> Mary >>> >>> Mary Otten >>> motten53 at gmail.com >>> >>> >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to >>> mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum >>> at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>> >>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>> . >>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus >>> and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by >>> visiting the list website at: >>> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to >> mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum >> at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus >> and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting >> the list website at: >> >> > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at > either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus > and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting > the list website at: > > From grtdane at internode.on.net Wed Oct 5 13:05:44 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2011 23:05:44 +1100 Subject: iphone 4s In-Reply-To: References: <174F1FB8-74CF-48F5-BD89-274A213CCCB7@gmail.com> <9CA1FC91-0D53-4041-B56C-9D36BD3E9EEF@charter.net> <3FD0D7EB-1A58-43F3-AE2F-2FD02207AD33@computing.dcu.ie> <8DA80231-4147-4A4F-87D7-E727F397F421@charter.net> <9B096602-9217-414E-982A-A006E9591F5D@gmail.com> <4E8C3AC7.5010605@internode.on.net> Message-ID: <4E8C4818.50605@internode.on.net> Well I'm going to correct you slightly here, I didn't say it was more accessible I said that some people would consider it more accessible given that the interface is different and yep, I'll write you off list with further details. On 5/10/2011 10:48 PM, Jonathan Tyrer wrote: > I seriusly love to hear how Android is more accessible. Maybe you'd > let me know off-list? > > JT > > On 05/10/2011, Dane trethowan wrote: >> I'm not going to comment much on this as its getting to be off topic but >> your comment is very subjective. Some may say that the Android devices >> are - in some respects - more accessible than the IOS devices and we're >> seeing steady progress as development in this area continues. >> >> >> >> On 5/10/2011 10:01 PM, Marcy Weinberg wrote: >>> But the iPhone still has something well over the android, that being >>> accessibility. >>> >>> On Oct 4, 2011, at 10:45 PM, Mike Arrigo wrote: >>> >>> The big area where apple is playing catch up is by using the cloud. The >>> ability to sync between devices, and not having to use itunes nearly as >>> much. Also, speech recognition and the ability to dictate text, android >>> has had this for quite some time. Android still provides free turn by turn >>> directions, but this must be purchased for the iphone. The iphone is also >>> more expensive, don't get me wrong, the iphone is a good product, but many >>> of the things apple is introducing are already on android. One thing that >>> is important for me is the ability to connect an android phone to a >>> computer, and it will show up as a drive, I can simply copy and delete >>> files. Compared to android, the iphone is a bit restrictive. >>> On Oct 4, 2011, at 7:39 PM, Mary Otten wrote: >>> >>>> Maybe somebody can explain to me how ios5 is playing catch up with >>>> Android for blind users. Other perspectives aren't especially important >>>> for us as blind users, right? So on the Android phones, I must have a >>>> physical navigation method. No touch screen only devices. Which duel core >>>> Android phones with 8mp cameras and a gb of ram plus voice assistant >>>> will be available to me? Are they gsm capable as well as cdma? What will >>>> they cost? In other words, let us please compare apples and apples here, >>>> no pun in tended. I don't care if an all touch screen phone has a bigger >>>> screen, slightly faster processor and lets me use external bluetooth >>>> devices. If I can't navigate and use the phone to its full potential, why >>>> on earth would I want it? >>>> >>>> Mary >>>> >>>> Mary Otten >>>> motten53 at gmail.com >>>> >>>> >>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to >>>> mac-access at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum >>>> at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>>> >>>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>>> . >>>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>>> >>>> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus >>>> and worm-free! >>>> >>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by >>>> visiting the list website at: >>>> >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to >>> mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum >>> at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>> >>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>> . >>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus >>> and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting >>> the list website at: >>> >>> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to >> mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at >> either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus >> and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting >> the list website at: >> >> > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > -- Dane Trethowan Sending email from his EEEPC Netbook From tsiegel at softcon.com Wed Oct 5 14:01:29 2011 From: tsiegel at softcon.com (Travis Siegel) Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 09:01:29 -0400 Subject: web design software In-Reply-To: References: <5F9D759B-453E-4215-9DEA-9475DA293A73@samobile.net> <97546A9D-F27A-41CD-A4CC-DC9547012E5E@softcon.com> Message-ID: <2ADB4669-79F9-4D43-9DA1-A74DC79F0356@softcon.com> On Oct 4, 2011, at 3:07 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > > Have you got Taco to effectively function with tables and forms? We > find that in the case of tables, it appears to add a lot of > unnecessary clutter. But we haven't managed to get it to do > anything at all with forms which is a shame; because currently that > aspect of design is proving to be a pretty major stumbling block in > a project Gordon's working on. Tables? Really? When I want to add a table, I click the table option, fill in rows and columns, and it produces a blank table with the dimensions I requested. I'm not seeing any additional clutter at all. That's odd. As for forms, taco html edit isn't very intelligent about forms. When you select a form, you also need to select whether it's an action, submit, a method, post, get, or the like. It's a bit of a pain to get it to build a proper form w/o a lot of clicking on options. As a result, I generally avoid taco's form generation, and just paste in my own or write it from scratch as I go. This is part of the reason I mentioned that taco html editor may not be the best solution for folks who don't have a great deal of experience with html editing, as it does tend to require you to know more than an average html editor does, but for me, this is great, because it means I'm not going to get extraneous html code inserted into my document as so many other editors tend to do which irritates me to no end. I believe you can add costum snippets into the editor as well, so you could have Gordon insert a blank form skeleton into the editor, then select it from the list when he needed a form instead of having to go through, and select all the parts of the form as required by taco. Otherwise though, I find it an excellent editor, even for php code, since it allows me to see my results right away w/o having to load safari first. Don't know if this helps, but feel free to write again if I left anything out, or if something isn't clear. From tsiegel at softcon.com Wed Oct 5 14:09:22 2011 From: tsiegel at softcon.com (Travis Siegel) Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 09:09:22 -0400 Subject: mud client for the mac In-Reply-To: <31137C83-E855-4A7F-8FAA-063E901F66F4@swbell.net> References: <79561759-D8F8-4608-8A15-6E47EE2C4374@softcon.com> <31137C83-E855-4A7F-8FAA-063E901F66F4@swbell.net> Message-ID: <7A37C7F9-70CB-47EB-AF24-47831B119441@softcon.com> Muddle is a terminal app, this means that you need to edit terminal files to use it. Text edit will edit these files, but it will require a little manual work. First option is to load the muddle.sample into text edit, change your aliases, triggers, and connections, then save it again, rename the muddle.sample file to dot muddle (that's the word muddle preceeded by a period) which will make it invissible to finder, so subsequent edits will take a bit of fancy footwork. :) As for using ip addresses instead of domain names, this is an artifact of the way muddle connects to it's hosts, (again, something I'll fix as soon as I get the other issues worked out) To find the ip address of a mud, you'll need to use nslookup (not recomended lately) or whois. I prefer nslookup, because it returns *only* the ip address, where as whois gives all kinds of other info as well, which isn't relevant to your current case, but the advantage of whois is that it can be run from a web browser or any other whois client (and there's tons of them) so it is easier for folks to hunt down the required info. There are examples of all of the things muddle can do in the sample configuration file, so you can take those and modify them to do what you like. It's certainly not the easiest client to use, but the advantage is that it loads, and gets out of your way, so you can do your mudding without having to concern yourself with anything but the mud in question. I don't mud very often, but when I do, muddle lets me have multiple muds open and keep track of all of them with a few simple commands. That's my primary reason for using it. From tsiegel at softcon.com Wed Oct 5 14:20:40 2011 From: tsiegel at softcon.com (Travis Siegel) Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 09:20:40 -0400 Subject: mud client for the mac In-Reply-To: <21859E03-E048-458D-8DE4-80B7FB0530A5@swbell.net> References: <79561759-D8F8-4608-8A15-6E47EE2C4374@softcon.com> <31137C83-E855-4A7F-8FAA-063E901F66F4@swbell.net> <21859E03-E048-458D-8DE4-80B7FB0530A5@swbell.net> Message-ID: squidsoft.net's ip address is: 65.5.228.114. You'd simply make an entry like this in the .muddle file site="squid" addr="65.5.228.114" port="7777" init="squid1" then you'd type (from muddle's command prompt) connect squid It would then connect to the mud, and run the init commmands you've placed in the squid1 configuration section. The squid1 entry might look like this: in="squid1" out="guest^Jguest^J" This would send guest twice after muddle connected to the mud, thereby filling in both the username and password for the mud. The carrot symbol is a shifted number 6, and the J (must be upper case) is a line feed character, and is required after each command you wish to send to the mud. a carrot M might work too, but depending on the raw state of the socket, it may or may not behave properly, so I always use a line feed char instead. :) Anyway, it's really not as complicated as it sounds here. On the other hand, you can use telnet to make your connection too. under terminal, open a new connection, and just type in (as you did) mudname portnumber, and that will connect you as well, no need for a mud client. The advantage of a client is the ability to have triggers, macros, and let the client keep track of your login information. Telnet worked years before clients existed, and will probably still work for years to come too, so if the whole mud client thing doesn't work for you, that's ok, telnet can do the job. From lynne at mac-access.net Wed Oct 5 14:47:12 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 14:47:12 +0100 Subject: web design software In-Reply-To: <2ADB4669-79F9-4D43-9DA1-A74DC79F0356@softcon.com> References: <5F9D759B-453E-4215-9DEA-9475DA293A73@samobile.net> <97546A9D-F27A-41CD-A4CC-DC9547012E5E@softcon.com> <2ADB4669-79F9-4D43-9DA1-A74DC79F0356@softcon.com> Message-ID: <973277C2-21C6-4BBB-B4BC-E31F4729F52B@mac-access.net> hello Travis To be absolutely and totally fair, it could very well be; in fact, it probably is the case that I'm simply not familiar enough with the concepts. But I just wonder what are the advantages in 'forcing' the dimensions of a table rather than allowing the browser to automatically render itm, as most modern browsers are able to do. For example, here's the code which I used in a table that Gordon knocked up a while ago manually and which I used in my recent Jawbone Jambox review. Note that this table is designed to be accessible, which is why we use a top aligned caption:
access_caption
header1 Header2 Header3
Item1 Item2 Item3
Now, that seems to work fine with obvious adjustments made so that the header and data rows contain the appropriate values. as for the forms, they seem a little more complex. But yes I guess the idea of creating a template blank form is a workable solution. I do totally agree with you though about the various viewing options for your coe. It also gives you the ability with a single keystroke to call up your browser so that you can see it in a real-world type of situation. So I would definitely agree with you that Taco does have some very interesting and more than usable functionality. But all the same, I think that an equivalent to Adobe DreamWeaver CS5.5 on Mac OS X would be an invaluable tool. I'm toying with the idea of buying another version of that actually because on other platforms it's quite accessible I gather. iWeb which, as we all know, is already nailed into its coffin, never was accessible. Selecting templates without vision just wasn't possible and as far as I am aware there was never any way to know where and how your code was being inserted even if you got that far. So this is actually still a market we're exploring to see if we can find some kind of intuitive alternative. Sandvox works well for me personally; but I won't use it because it isn't accessible for Gordon and those like him who need VoiceOver support. Yeah; I could be selfish and say "well, I'll handle the design work" and that'd be an end to it. But I don't see that as viable because it doesn't allow you to interchange editors to work on your website. You use Sandvox and that's an end to it. It also is another one of those editors which introduces an awful lot of clutter in the way of images and extraneous code. I'm most definitely not an expert in the field of web design, and heaven forbid that I'd ever claim to be. But I think I upset the president of the company which produces Sandvox a couple of weeks ago when I made that point to him. Why should every website you want to work on be littered with all that junk in the background. Images obviously slow down the browser when it comes to processing websites and the Sandvox solution which was to simply create a black and white website is just plain stupid. Lynne From marrie12 at gmail.com Wed Oct 5 15:58:03 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 07:58:03 -0700 Subject: More On iOS List In-Reply-To: <35070422-23A4-483C-AA80-A04245F48291@mac-access.net> References: <35070422-23A4-483C-AA80-A04245F48291@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <775082D0-2E8B-4A4B-878B-D318EB6093C8@gmail.com> yeah, plus there 2 out there already that are already very good. one with over 900 members and one with about 250. I h joined the sma;;er of the 2 as thousands of messages during the night was not keeping me happy lol! On Oct 5, 2011, at 4:05 AM, Gordon & Lynne wrote: > Hello again everybody > > Well, that brought quite a lot of response, so thank you. Actually, Gordon and I both feel that there's no need for another iOS list, since this one already has facilities for both the discussion of Mac and iOS. But we were approached by a member, so we thought we'd give people the opportunity to respond. > > So we'll leave things as they are, since this group already covers both iOS and Mac OS. > > Again, we were just acting on feedback but I don't think there's much point in re-inventing the wheel. :) > > Lynne > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From marrie12 at gmail.com Wed Oct 5 15:59:27 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 07:59:27 -0700 Subject: Dropbox help and beta location In-Reply-To: <86E0E9C8-54C6-4940-85DE-B16A9CA2011C@Mac-Access.net> References: <2FF70CFD-5B91-4110-8028-65E4E3FB3EEF@Mac-Access.net> <456BAAB5326D406CBC27F199C2516CCF@YOURZ8KUJVJGKY> <86E0E9C8-54C6-4940-85DE-B16A9CA2011C@Mac-Access.net> Message-ID: Really? I'm not getting the updates at all. and I downloaded the latest public beta. Using the king of beasts here as my os. Take care all. On Oct 4, 2011, at 3:35 PM, Eric Caron wrote: > Hi Jeff, > > I found the latest Dropbox Beta and it is number 1.2 something and I was running 1.1 something. I now seem to be up and running correctly. Also, a bonus Dropbox seems to be giving me more feedback. When the files are updated I get a announcement telling me how many files have changed. When I deleted a folder another announcement popped up with details. It seemed to be working well with voice over. I'm not using growl so this was all part of the Dropbox update. > > I did find the tip about running the app from the disk image helpful. I had to use the volume that opened on the desktop. I also made sure the old Dropbox was closed by closing it in activity monitor. > > Eric Caron > On Oct 4, 2011, at 3:22 AM, Geoff Waaler wrote: > >> Hi Eric, >> >> About six weeks ago I installed DropBox 1.1.43 which was then the current public release. Following these lists I was under the impression that I would need to install a beta, but perhaps their accessibility improvements made it to the public release by the time I finally took off my SendSpace blinders and decided to give DropBox a try. >> >> As you probably already know, you need to install from the disk image, but so far that was my only glitch. >> >> You probably already tried this but I noticed that interacting with the file affects my available choices in the context menu. After interacting with a file in my public folder, and pressing vo-shift-m for the context menu, I see a dropbox submenu which includes an option to copy the file link within. >> >> If this is not showing up for you, perhaps you might want to try reinstalling DropBox from scratch? >> >> Best regards. >> Geoff >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Eric Caron >> To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility >> Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 9:48 PM >> Subject: Dropbox help and beta location >> >> >> Hi listers, >> >> I'm using Lyon and am having Dropbox trouble. I can not find the Dropbox option item in the context menu in the public folder. thus I can't send a file that way. Also my shared folders seem to no longer be working. >> >> I fixed this problem many weeks ago by installing a Beta. Now it seems all broken again. Is there a newer Beta out there? I would love a link or a web site. I went to dropbox but did not see the beta. I tried the current version there but my computer said it was a older version when I went to put it into my applications folder. So I did not use it, >> Any dropbox tips for me? Or, a lead on where the latest beta is hiding? >> >> eric Caron >> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From wagners96 at verizon.net Wed Oct 5 16:22:22 2011 From: wagners96 at verizon.net (Carolyn Wagner) Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2011 11:22:22 -0400 Subject: Chrome Vox: preliminary thoughts. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Can you confirm that Chrome Vox is part of the Chrome OS available on certain hardware devices, and not an add-on to the Chrome browser, which I occasionally use on my mac? On Oct 4, 2011, at 8:33 PM, D?nal Fitzpatrick wrote: > Hello all, > > The first thing to say about this is that it is a very very interesting concept indeed. However, given the person who designed it (T. V. Raman) it's not really a surprise. He has always been extraordinarily creative. > > Before proceeding, I should point out that the chrome add-on uses ctrl-alt as modifier keys. These are the same as the VO keys. > > 1. navigation. > > I like the way that a granularity of navigation exists. For those who haven't used Chrome Vox, you can essentially navigate a page by group, object, sentence word or character. So you can skim (metaphorically) over a page, find the portion you're looking for then "zoom in" (to plagiarise a phrase from the user-manual). > > 2. The use of keyboard mnemonics follows a fairly typical process. However, they've gone for letter sequences rather than single-keystrokes. So for example, to get to the next heading, you press ctrl-alt-n (followed by) ctrl-alt-h. On chrome-os netbooks, there is an equivalent to "key-lock" on VO. I haven't used it on the mac yet, though I'm assured it's there. > > 3. I find table navigation cumbersome. One can switch to a "table mode" however, while in this, in order to move to adjacent cells, one has to execute a command like ctrl-alt-t (followed by) ctrl-alt-(arrow); where arrow is the direction you wish to move to. Now I understand the logic, I'm just not a big fan. > > What I think is missing from this is the ability to limit verbosity. Chrome-vox uses earcons (like VO's sounds) to enhance the spoken utterance. I don't like them and can't find a way to turn them off. Secondly, each time I load chrome, the speech settings have adjusted themselves back to default rate, volume and pitch. Now I'd be amazed if they can't be set and stored, I just haven't come across the settings yet. > > All in all it is good and interesting software, and I think that in future iterations it will prove to be a good and viable alternative. For me, Safari does the job adequately, but I'll keep playing with it. I can easily see how people like Kevin would find it productive; I look forward to trying it with google-docs. > > All the best, > > D?nal > D?nal Fitzpatrick > dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie > > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie Wed Oct 5 16:26:24 2011 From: dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie (=?iso-8859-1?Q?D=F3nal_Fitzpatrick?=) Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 16:26:24 +0100 Subject: Chrome Vox: preliminary thoughts. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20AE2FEF-9F53-420E-AF19-7DEBDC06934D@computing.dcu.ie> Hello, It's actually both. It comes as part of the OS which is installed on various netbooks etc but it's also a chrome extension available in the chrome webstore. hth. On 5 Oct 2011, at 16:22, Carolyn Wagner wrote: > Can you confirm that Chrome Vox is part of the Chrome OS available on certain hardware devices, and not an add-on to the Chrome browser, which I occasionally use on my mac? > On Oct 4, 2011, at 8:33 PM, D?nal Fitzpatrick wrote: > >> Hello all, >> >> The first thing to say about this is that it is a very very interesting concept indeed. However, given the person who designed it (T. V. Raman) it's not really a surprise. He has always been extraordinarily creative. >> >> Before proceeding, I should point out that the chrome add-on uses ctrl-alt as modifier keys. These are the same as the VO keys. >> >> 1. navigation. >> >> I like the way that a granularity of navigation exists. For those who haven't used Chrome Vox, you can essentially navigate a page by group, object, sentence word or character. So you can skim (metaphorically) over a page, find the portion you're looking for then "zoom in" (to plagiarise a phrase from the user-manual). >> >> 2. The use of keyboard mnemonics follows a fairly typical process. However, they've gone for letter sequences rather than single-keystrokes. So for example, to get to the next heading, you press ctrl-alt-n (followed by) ctrl-alt-h. On chrome-os netbooks, there is an equivalent to "key-lock" on VO. I haven't used it on the mac yet, though I'm assured it's there. >> >> 3. I find table navigation cumbersome. One can switch to a "table mode" however, while in this, in order to move to adjacent cells, one has to execute a command like ctrl-alt-t (followed by) ctrl-alt-(arrow); where arrow is the direction you wish to move to. Now I understand the logic, I'm just not a big fan. >> >> What I think is missing from this is the ability to limit verbosity. Chrome-vox uses earcons (like VO's sounds) to enhance the spoken utterance. I don't like them and can't find a way to turn them off. Secondly, each time I load chrome, the speech settings have adjusted themselves back to default rate, volume and pitch. Now I'd be amazed if they can't be set and stored, I just haven't come across the settings yet. >> >> All in all it is good and interesting software, and I think that in future iterations it will prove to be a good and viable alternative. For me, Safari does the job adequately, but I'll keep playing with it. I can easily see how people like Kevin would find it productive; I look forward to trying it with google-docs. >> >> All the best, >> >> D?nal >> D?nal Fitzpatrick >> dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie >> >> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > D?nal Fitzpatrick dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie From wagners96 at verizon.net Wed Oct 5 16:35:01 2011 From: wagners96 at verizon.net (Carolyn Wagner) Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2011 11:35:01 -0400 Subject: Chrome Vox: preliminary thoughts. In-Reply-To: <20AE2FEF-9F53-420E-AF19-7DEBDC06934D@computing.dcu.ie> References: <20AE2FEF-9F53-420E-AF19-7DEBDC06934D@computing.dcu.ie> Message-ID: Have you had much experience with using it within the browser in the mac os? Any known issues? On Oct 5, 2011, at 11:26 AM, D?nal Fitzpatrick wrote: > Hello, > > It's actually both. It comes as part of the OS which is installed on various netbooks etc but it's also a chrome extension available in the chrome webstore. > > hth. > On 5 Oct 2011, at 16:22, Carolyn Wagner wrote: > >> Can you confirm that Chrome Vox is part of the Chrome OS available on certain hardware devices, and not an add-on to the Chrome browser, which I occasionally use on my mac? >> On Oct 4, 2011, at 8:33 PM, D?nal Fitzpatrick wrote: >> >>> Hello all, >>> >>> The first thing to say about this is that it is a very very interesting concept indeed. However, given the person who designed it (T. V. Raman) it's not really a surprise. He has always been extraordinarily creative. >>> >>> Before proceeding, I should point out that the chrome add-on uses ctrl-alt as modifier keys. These are the same as the VO keys. >>> >>> 1. navigation. >>> >>> I like the way that a granularity of navigation exists. For those who haven't used Chrome Vox, you can essentially navigate a page by group, object, sentence word or character. So you can skim (metaphorically) over a page, find the portion you're looking for then "zoom in" (to plagiarise a phrase from the user-manual). >>> >>> 2. The use of keyboard mnemonics follows a fairly typical process. However, they've gone for letter sequences rather than single-keystrokes. So for example, to get to the next heading, you press ctrl-alt-n (followed by) ctrl-alt-h. On chrome-os netbooks, there is an equivalent to "key-lock" on VO. I haven't used it on the mac yet, though I'm assured it's there. >>> >>> 3. I find table navigation cumbersome. One can switch to a "table mode" however, while in this, in order to move to adjacent cells, one has to execute a command like ctrl-alt-t (followed by) ctrl-alt-(arrow); where arrow is the direction you wish to move to. Now I understand the logic, I'm just not a big fan. >>> >>> What I think is missing from this is the ability to limit verbosity. Chrome-vox uses earcons (like VO's sounds) to enhance the spoken utterance. I don't like them and can't find a way to turn them off. Secondly, each time I load chrome, the speech settings have adjusted themselves back to default rate, volume and pitch. Now I'd be amazed if they can't be set and stored, I just haven't come across the settings yet. >>> >>> All in all it is good and interesting software, and I think that in future iterations it will prove to be a good and viable alternative. For me, Safari does the job adequately, but I'll keep playing with it. I can easily see how people like Kevin would find it productive; I look forward to trying it with google-docs. >>> >>> All the best, >>> >>> D?nal >>> D?nal Fitzpatrick >>> dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie >>> >>> >>> >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>> >>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>> . >>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > D?nal Fitzpatrick > dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie > > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie Wed Oct 5 16:37:09 2011 From: dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie (=?iso-8859-1?Q?D=F3nal_Fitzpatrick?=) Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 16:37:09 +0100 Subject: Chrome Vox: preliminary thoughts. In-Reply-To: References: <20AE2FEF-9F53-420E-AF19-7DEBDC06934D@computing.dcu.ie> Message-ID: only started playing with it yesterday. Very straightforward. Whether it captures rich media well is open to debate. On 5 Oct 2011, at 16:35, Carolyn Wagner wrote: > Have you had much experience with using it within the browser in the mac os? Any known issues? > On Oct 5, 2011, at 11:26 AM, D?nal Fitzpatrick wrote: > >> Hello, >> >> It's actually both. It comes as part of the OS which is installed on various netbooks etc but it's also a chrome extension available in the chrome webstore. >> >> hth. >> On 5 Oct 2011, at 16:22, Carolyn Wagner wrote: >> >>> Can you confirm that Chrome Vox is part of the Chrome OS available on certain hardware devices, and not an add-on to the Chrome browser, which I occasionally use on my mac? >>> On Oct 4, 2011, at 8:33 PM, D?nal Fitzpatrick wrote: >>> >>>> Hello all, >>>> >>>> The first thing to say about this is that it is a very very interesting concept indeed. However, given the person who designed it (T. V. Raman) it's not really a surprise. He has always been extraordinarily creative. >>>> >>>> Before proceeding, I should point out that the chrome add-on uses ctrl-alt as modifier keys. These are the same as the VO keys. >>>> >>>> 1. navigation. >>>> >>>> I like the way that a granularity of navigation exists. For those who haven't used Chrome Vox, you can essentially navigate a page by group, object, sentence word or character. So you can skim (metaphorically) over a page, find the portion you're looking for then "zoom in" (to plagiarise a phrase from the user-manual). >>>> >>>> 2. The use of keyboard mnemonics follows a fairly typical process. However, they've gone for letter sequences rather than single-keystrokes. So for example, to get to the next heading, you press ctrl-alt-n (followed by) ctrl-alt-h. On chrome-os netbooks, there is an equivalent to "key-lock" on VO. I haven't used it on the mac yet, though I'm assured it's there. >>>> >>>> 3. I find table navigation cumbersome. One can switch to a "table mode" however, while in this, in order to move to adjacent cells, one has to execute a command like ctrl-alt-t (followed by) ctrl-alt-(arrow); where arrow is the direction you wish to move to. Now I understand the logic, I'm just not a big fan. >>>> >>>> What I think is missing from this is the ability to limit verbosity. Chrome-vox uses earcons (like VO's sounds) to enhance the spoken utterance. I don't like them and can't find a way to turn them off. Secondly, each time I load chrome, the speech settings have adjusted themselves back to default rate, volume and pitch. Now I'd be amazed if they can't be set and stored, I just haven't come across the settings yet. >>>> >>>> All in all it is good and interesting software, and I think that in future iterations it will prove to be a good and viable alternative. For me, Safari does the job adequately, but I'll keep playing with it. I can easily see how people like Kevin would find it productive; I look forward to trying it with google-docs. >>>> >>>> All the best, >>>> >>>> D?nal >>>> D?nal Fitzpatrick >>>> dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>>> >>>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>>> . >>>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>>> >>>> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>> >>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>> >>> >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>> >>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>> . >>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> D?nal Fitzpatrick >> dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie >> >> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > D?nal Fitzpatrick dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie From lynne at mac-access.net Wed Oct 5 17:15:13 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 17:15:13 +0100 Subject: More On iOS List In-Reply-To: <775082D0-2E8B-4A4B-878B-D318EB6093C8@gmail.com> References: <35070422-23A4-483C-AA80-A04245F48291@mac-access.net> <775082D0-2E8B-4A4B-878B-D318EB6093C8@gmail.com> Message-ID: <2817DF22-52C8-452C-9D96-A29445F54855@mac-access.net> I requested responses off, not on list. This is now a dead issue anyway. From jim.noseworthy at compuconference.com Wed Oct 5 17:18:28 2011 From: jim.noseworthy at compuconference.com (Jim Noseworthy) Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 13:18:28 -0300 Subject: Audio Hijack Pro Question. Message-ID: <4354A9EF802641C2A2EBEBF4EEF56243@CNIBnotebook> Hi Folks: If one schedules a recording in Audio Hijack Pro, is the Hijack and the record options initiated or just the record option. On another point: I am having a problem assigning the F19 key as a shortcut key for recording; is that a known issue, or am I doing something wrong. One more thing: how does one when something is being hijacked and recorded? Thanks all over the place gang. From grtdane at internode.on.net Wed Oct 5 17:29:22 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2011 03:29:22 +1100 Subject: Audio Hijack Pro Question. In-Reply-To: <4354A9EF802641C2A2EBEBF4EEF56243@CNIBnotebook> References: <4354A9EF802641C2A2EBEBF4EEF56243@CNIBnotebook> Message-ID: <4E8C85E2.7010804@internode.on.net> Can't answer your last point. Regarding when scheduling, by default both "Hijack" and "Record" options are enabled, you must "Hijack" a source in order that it be recorded with the "Record" function. If you press the "Record" button the "Hijack" button will also be pressed. On 6/10/2011 3:18 AM, Jim Noseworthy wrote: > Hi Folks: > > If one schedules a recording in Audio Hijack Pro, is the Hijack and the record options initiated or just the record option. > > On another point: I am having a problem assigning the F19 key as a shortcut key for recording; is that a known issue, or am I doing something wrong. > > One more thing: how does one when something is being hijacked and recorded? > > Thanks all over the place gang. > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > -- Dane Trethowan From Melton Victoria Australia skype callto:grtdane12 MSN: grtdane at dane-trethowan.net From dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie Wed Oct 5 22:15:18 2011 From: dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie (=?iso-8859-1?Q?D=F3nal_Fitzpatrick?=) Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 22:15:18 +0100 Subject: EPub.. Message-ID: <4F46A9D3-1384-4FF5-AA2A-3B3213EF849E@computing.dcu.ie> Just a quick query. What are people using to read ePub files on the mac? I have it in PDF as well if there's no decent app. Cheers. From juanitatighan at gmail.com Wed Oct 5 22:22:23 2011 From: juanitatighan at gmail.com (Jane) Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 17:22:23 -0400 Subject: EPub.. In-Reply-To: <4F46A9D3-1384-4FF5-AA2A-3B3213EF849E@computing.dcu.ie> References: <4F46A9D3-1384-4FF5-AA2A-3B3213EF849E@computing.dcu.ie> Message-ID: I use Stanza available at www.lexcycle.com On Oct 5, 2011, at 5:15 PM, D?nal Fitzpatrick wrote: > Just a quick query. What are people using to read ePub files on the mac? I have it in PDF as well if there's no decent app. > > Cheers. > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From grtdane at internode.on.net Wed Oct 5 22:25:18 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2011 08:25:18 +1100 Subject: Reading PDF books with Ibooks In-Reply-To: References: <4F46A9D3-1384-4FF5-AA2A-3B3213EF849E@computing.dcu.ie> Message-ID: On a somewhat different but nevertheless related matter, how do you add PDF documents to Ibooks on the Ipad and read them? On 06/10/2011, at 8:22 AM, Jane wrote: > I use Stanza available at > > www.lexcycle.com > On Oct 5, 2011, at 5:15 PM, D?nal Fitzpatrick wrote: > >> Just a quick query. What are people using to read ePub files on the mac? I have it in PDF as well if there's no decent app. >> >> Cheers. >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie Wed Oct 5 22:26:29 2011 From: dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie (=?iso-8859-1?Q?D=F3nal_Fitzpatrick?=) Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 22:26:29 +0100 Subject: Preview bug. Message-ID: Hi all, I've meant to post on this for some time but I kept forgetting to do so. So here's the scenario. I open a file in Preview (needless to say a PDF). There are a few things: 1. I like to view documents in single page mode (makes referencing them in bibliographic entries easier). However, each time I open the file the view is set to "continuous". 2. I set VO to read each page. HOwever, the end of each page is actually cut off and a brief high-pitched beep is heard. It's usualy only the last few words, but can be as much as a line. Anyone else encountered this? D?nal D?nal Fitzpatrick dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie From moriond at mac.com Wed Oct 5 22:30:08 2011 From: moriond at mac.com (Esther) Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2011 11:30:08 -1000 Subject: EPub.. In-Reply-To: <4F46A9D3-1384-4FF5-AA2A-3B3213EF849E@computing.dcu.ie> References: <4F46A9D3-1384-4FF5-AA2A-3B3213EF849E@computing.dcu.ie> Message-ID: Hi D?nal, I'm using Adobe Digital Editions Preview in the 1.8 beta for ePub with DRM: http://labs.adobe.com/downloads/digitaleditions1-8.html It will work with regular ePub, but since this is the first beta version with accessibility support, not all features are supported (notes, etc.) and you have to press the right arrow key to advance pages. (You can make the font really small so that you don't have to press to advance as often.) You can use VO-Shift-C to copy text. It's still a bit of a pain, so I would probably read your DRM-free PDF versions with another app, if that's an alternative. Still, it's great that they're working on supporting accessible reading of ePub and PDF files with Adobe ADE DRM through this app. Cheers, Esther On Oct 5, 2011, at 11:15, D?nal Fitzpatrick wrote: > Just a quick query. What are people using to read ePub files on the mac? I have it in PDF as well if there's no decent app. > > Cheers. From dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie Wed Oct 5 22:27:08 2011 From: dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie (=?iso-8859-1?Q?D=F3nal_Fitzpatrick?=) Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 22:27:08 +0100 Subject: EPub.. In-Reply-To: References: <4F46A9D3-1384-4FF5-AA2A-3B3213EF849E@computing.dcu.ie> Message-ID: Thanking you. On 5 Oct 2011, at 22:22, Jane wrote: > I use Stanza available at > > www.lexcycle.com > On Oct 5, 2011, at 5:15 PM, D?nal Fitzpatrick wrote: > >> Just a quick query. What are people using to read ePub files on the mac? I have it in PDF as well if there's no decent app. >> >> Cheers. >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > D?nal Fitzpatrick dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie From juanitatighan at gmail.com Wed Oct 5 22:27:32 2011 From: juanitatighan at gmail.com (Jane) Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 17:27:32 -0400 Subject: Reading PDF books with Ibooks In-Reply-To: References: <4F46A9D3-1384-4FF5-AA2A-3B3213EF849E@computing.dcu.ie> Message-ID: <280F24D0-6FE3-4003-B00B-972ABC255F32@gmail.com> You just add them to your iTunes library and tell iTunes which ones to sort. In my case, iTunes syncs all my ebooks. I haven't actually read a PDF yet, but I plan to once I get my books organized. I have over 1,000 to sort into collections. Jane On Oct 5, 2011, at 5:25 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote: > On a somewhat different but nevertheless related matter, how do you add PDF documents to Ibooks on the Ipad and read them? > > > On 06/10/2011, at 8:22 AM, Jane wrote: > >> I use Stanza available at >> >> www.lexcycle.com >> On Oct 5, 2011, at 5:15 PM, D?nal Fitzpatrick wrote: >> >>> Just a quick query. What are people using to read ePub files on the mac? I have it in PDF as well if there's no decent app. >>> >>> Cheers. >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>> >>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>> . >>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From zkline at speedpost.net Wed Oct 5 22:28:03 2011 From: zkline at speedpost.net (Zachary Kline) Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 14:28:03 -0700 Subject: Reading PDF books with Ibooks In-Reply-To: References: <4F46A9D3-1384-4FF5-AA2A-3B3213EF849E@computing.dcu.ie> Message-ID: Hi Dane, Open iTunes and hit cmd-o to add files to your library. Select the file or folder containing the PDFs in question and add them the way you would music, and they'll appear in the proper category. You can also open PDFs in Safari on the iPad, and they can be added through a button on that screen. Best, Zack. On Oct 5, 2011, at 2:25 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote: > On a somewhat different but nevertheless related matter, how do you add PDF documents to Ibooks on the Ipad and read them? > > > On 06/10/2011, at 8:22 AM, Jane wrote: > >> I use Stanza available at >> >> www.lexcycle.com >> On Oct 5, 2011, at 5:15 PM, D?nal Fitzpatrick wrote: >> >>> Just a quick query. What are people using to read ePub files on the mac? I have it in PDF as well if there's no decent app. >>> >>> Cheers. >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>> >>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>> . >>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From zkline at speedpost.net Wed Oct 5 22:24:06 2011 From: zkline at speedpost.net (Zachary Kline) Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 14:24:06 -0700 Subject: EPub.. In-Reply-To: References: <4F46A9D3-1384-4FF5-AA2A-3B3213EF849E@computing.dcu.ie> Message-ID: <4BEFCD66-BA99-4061-A13F-9F3D0EFEC3E4@speedpost.net> There's a program on the Mac App Store called iText Express, which among other things is a good ePub reader. Best, Zack. On Oct 5, 2011, at 2:22 PM, Jane wrote: > I use Stanza available at > > www.lexcycle.com > On Oct 5, 2011, at 5:15 PM, D?nal Fitzpatrick wrote: > >> Just a quick query. What are people using to read ePub files on the mac? I have it in PDF as well if there's no decent app. >> >> Cheers. >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie Wed Oct 5 22:30:47 2011 From: dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie (=?iso-8859-1?Q?D=F3nal_Fitzpatrick?=) Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 22:30:47 +0100 Subject: EPub.. In-Reply-To: References: <4F46A9D3-1384-4FF5-AA2A-3B3213EF849E@computing.dcu.ie> Message-ID: <635BBBC8-AEFC-4C9A-A3F2-584F84765E75@computing.dcu.ie> Cheers Esther, I hadn't heard they'd created a beta with accessibility. Thanks for that. On 5 Oct 2011, at 22:30, Esther wrote: > Hi D?nal, > > I'm using Adobe Digital Editions Preview in the 1.8 beta for ePub with DRM: > http://labs.adobe.com/downloads/digitaleditions1-8.html > It will work with regular ePub, but since this is the first beta version with accessibility support, not all features are supported (notes, etc.) and you have to press the right arrow key to advance pages. (You can make the font really small so that you don't have to press to advance as often.) You can use VO-Shift-C to copy text. It's still a bit of a pain, so I would probably read your DRM-free PDF versions with another app, if that's an alternative. Still, it's great that they're working on supporting accessible reading of ePub and PDF files with Adobe ADE DRM through this app. > > Cheers, > > Esther > > > On Oct 5, 2011, at 11:15, D?nal Fitzpatrick wrote: > >> Just a quick query. What are people using to read ePub files on the mac? I have it in PDF as well if there's no decent app. >> >> Cheers. > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > D?nal Fitzpatrick dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie From moriond at mac.com Wed Oct 5 22:37:31 2011 From: moriond at mac.com (Esther) Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2011 11:37:31 -1000 Subject: Reading PDF books with Ibooks In-Reply-To: References: <4F46A9D3-1384-4FF5-AA2A-3B3213EF849E@computing.dcu.ie> Message-ID: <2F1E2FCE-44C2-4019-B1D9-A71B520A734E@mac.com> Hi Dane, You can mail PDF files as attachments to yourself, then open them in iBooks, or you can use Dropbox or MobileMe links to the files, or use direct download links on a web page and have them open up in iBooks. If you want to do something fancier, like use zipped or archived files, you can use a file transfer app like Filer to open them, then transfer them to iBooks (or any other app that supports PDF reading on your device). This has all worked for a while for PDF files. The same methods work for ePub files since about April, I think, when iBooks was updated to recognize ePub files. I've used FileChute (paid program that I already had) on my Mac to send myself and others links to ePub or PDF files on my MobileMe account. HTH. Cheers, Esther On Oct 5, 2011, at 11:25, Dane Trethowan wrote: > On a somewhat different but nevertheless related matter, how do you add PDF documents to Ibooks on the Ipad and read them? > > > On 06/10/2011, at 8:22 AM, Jane wrote: > >> I use Stanza available at >> >> www.lexcycle.com >> On Oct 5, 2011, at 5:15 PM, D?nal Fitzpatrick wrote: >> >>> Just a quick query. What are people using to read ePub files on the mac? I have it in PDF as well if there's no decent app. >>> >>> Cheers. From moriond at mac.com Wed Oct 5 22:39:59 2011 From: moriond at mac.com (Esther) Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2011 11:39:59 -1000 Subject: EPub.. In-Reply-To: <635BBBC8-AEFC-4C9A-A3F2-584F84765E75@computing.dcu.ie> References: <4F46A9D3-1384-4FF5-AA2A-3B3213EF849E@computing.dcu.ie> <635BBBC8-AEFC-4C9A-A3F2-584F84765E75@computing.dcu.ie> Message-ID: <755775AB-BC6F-4C19-80BA-6737039AAE97@mac.com> Yes, the beta was released in July, and there are versions for both Mac and Windows (with JAWS support). Jane's correct that you'd be better off using Stanza desktop if it's ePub without DRM. Pressing the arrow key is still a bit clunky, and I think that's true for both Mac and Windows versions of the beta. Cheers, Esther On Oct 5, 2011, at 11:30, D?nal Fitzpatrick wrote: > Cheers Esther, I hadn't heard they'd created a beta with accessibility. Thanks for that. > On 5 Oct 2011, at 22:30, Esther wrote: > >> Hi D?nal, >> >> I'm using Adobe Digital Editions Preview in the 1.8 beta for ePub with DRM: >> http://labs.adobe.com/downloads/digitaleditions1-8.html >> It will work with regular ePub, but since this is the first beta version with accessibility support, not all features are supported (notes, etc.) and you have to press the right arrow key to advance pages. (You can make the font really small so that you don't have to press to advance as often.) You can use VO-Shift-C to copy text. It's still a bit of a pain, so I would probably read your DRM-free PDF versions with another app, if that's an alternative. Still, it's great that they're working on supporting accessible reading of ePub and PDF files with Adobe ADE DRM through this app. >> >> Cheers, >> >> Esther >> >> >> On Oct 5, 2011, at 11:15, D?nal Fitzpatrick wrote: >> >>> Just a quick query. What are people using to read ePub files on the mac? I have it in PDF as well if there's no decent app. >>> >>> Cheers. >> From dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie Wed Oct 5 22:44:15 2011 From: dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie (=?iso-8859-1?Q?D=F3nal_Fitzpatrick?=) Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 22:44:15 +0100 Subject: EPub.. In-Reply-To: <755775AB-BC6F-4C19-80BA-6737039AAE97@mac.com> References: <4F46A9D3-1384-4FF5-AA2A-3B3213EF849E@computing.dcu.ie> <635BBBC8-AEFC-4C9A-A3F2-584F84765E75@computing.dcu.ie> <755775AB-BC6F-4C19-80BA-6737039AAE97@mac.com> Message-ID: I've just downloaded it, preview is driving me insane! It's cutting off chunks at the ends of pages. On 5 Oct 2011, at 22:39, Esther wrote: > Yes, the beta was released in July, and there are versions for both Mac and Windows (with JAWS support). Jane's correct that you'd be better off using Stanza desktop if it's ePub without DRM. Pressing the arrow key is still a bit clunky, and I think that's true for both Mac and Windows versions of the beta. > > Cheers, > > Esther > > On Oct 5, 2011, at 11:30, D?nal Fitzpatrick wrote: > >> Cheers Esther, I hadn't heard they'd created a beta with accessibility. Thanks for that. >> On 5 Oct 2011, at 22:30, Esther wrote: >> >>> Hi D?nal, >>> >>> I'm using Adobe Digital Editions Preview in the 1.8 beta for ePub with DRM: >>> http://labs.adobe.com/downloads/digitaleditions1-8.html >>> It will work with regular ePub, but since this is the first beta version with accessibility support, not all features are supported (notes, etc.) and you have to press the right arrow key to advance pages. (You can make the font really small so that you don't have to press to advance as often.) You can use VO-Shift-C to copy text. It's still a bit of a pain, so I would probably read your DRM-free PDF versions with another app, if that's an alternative. Still, it's great that they're working on supporting accessible reading of ePub and PDF files with Adobe ADE DRM through this app. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> Esther >>> >>> >>> On Oct 5, 2011, at 11:15, D?nal Fitzpatrick wrote: >>> >>>> Just a quick query. What are people using to read ePub files on the mac? I have it in PDF as well if there's no decent app. >>>> >>>> Cheers. >>> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > D?nal Fitzpatrick dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie From dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie Wed Oct 5 23:18:21 2011 From: dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie (=?iso-8859-1?Q?D=F3nal_Fitzpatrick?=) Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 23:18:21 +0100 Subject: more on PDF bug. Message-ID: <28F91013-3437-4A7A-9179-8CDA4AA45BCE@computing.dcu.ie> Folks, I've realised that the high-pitched beep I'm hearing at the end of each PDF page is the VO "more available" sound. Anyone any idea why I'm getting this rather than the entire contents of the page? D?nal D?nal Fitzpatrick dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie From zkline at speedpost.net Wed Oct 5 23:23:38 2011 From: zkline at speedpost.net (Zachary Kline) Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 15:23:38 -0700 Subject: more on PDF bug. In-Reply-To: <28F91013-3437-4A7A-9179-8CDA4AA45BCE@computing.dcu.ie> References: <28F91013-3437-4A7A-9179-8CDA4AA45BCE@computing.dcu.ie> Message-ID: Hi Donal, Perhaps the window is too small to show everything? I'd try hitting the Zoom button to enlarge the window to its maximum size, and reading again. The only other instance I can think of where I heard that sound was in a case like this with another program. Best, Zack. On Oct 5, 2011, at 3:18 PM, D?nal Fitzpatrick wrote: > Folks, > > I've realised that the high-pitched beep I'm hearing at the end of each PDF page is the VO "more available" sound. Anyone any idea why I'm getting this rather than the entire contents of the page? > > D?nal > D?nal Fitzpatrick > dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie > > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie Wed Oct 5 23:30:55 2011 From: dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie (=?iso-8859-1?Q?D=F3nal_Fitzpatrick?=) Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 23:30:55 +0100 Subject: more on PDF bug. In-Reply-To: References: <28F91013-3437-4A7A-9179-8CDA4AA45BCE@computing.dcu.ie> Message-ID: <606362AD-2958-4296-9BF4-AD71A0873FB9@computing.dcu.ie> Unfortunately that doesn't alter anything Zack. I've also played with the various zooming options under the "view" menu, and while the point at which the "more" sound occurs changes, it never seems to get the entire page squeezed in. I'll ask a sighted colleague I think if the entire page is fitting onto the screen. Cheers. On 5 Oct 2011, at 23:23, Zachary Kline wrote: > Hi Donal, > Perhaps the window is too small to show everything? I'd try hitting the Zoom button to enlarge the window to its maximum size, and reading again. The only other instance I can think of where I heard that sound was in a case like this with another program. > Best, > Zack. > On Oct 5, 2011, at 3:18 PM, D?nal Fitzpatrick wrote: > >> Folks, >> >> I've realised that the high-pitched beep I'm hearing at the end of each PDF page is the VO "more available" sound. Anyone any idea why I'm getting this rather than the entire contents of the page? >> >> D?nal >> D?nal Fitzpatrick >> dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie >> >> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > D?nal Fitzpatrick dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie From grtdane at internode.on.net Thu Oct 6 00:47:43 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2011 10:47:43 +1100 Subject: Steve Jobs, may he rest in peace Message-ID: Just heard on the radio that Steve jobs has passed away, I think I wouldn't be the only one if I didn't rais my hand to thank him for the wonderful work he's done at Apple and for his visionary insite which has allowed me along with many others to use a computer and other equipment right out of the box, a job well done and he will be remembered fondly. From mmaslo1964 at swbell.net Thu Oct 6 00:48:05 2011 From: mmaslo1964 at swbell.net (michael maslo) Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 18:48:05 -0500 Subject: iphone 4s In-Reply-To: <4E8C3AC7.5010605@internode.on.net> References: <174F1FB8-74CF-48F5-BD89-274A213CCCB7@gmail.com> <9CA1FC91-0D53-4041-B56C-9D36BD3E9EEF@charter.net> <3FD0D7EB-1A58-43F3-AE2F-2FD02207AD33@computing.dcu.ie> <8DA80231-4147-4A4F-87D7-E727F397F421@charter.net> <9B096602-9217-414E-982A-A006E9591F5D@gmail.com> <4E8C3AC7.5010605@internode.on.net> Message-ID: I also want to know how a android is more accessible then a iPhone. I think that is probably the most ludacrist statement made. I know that both coat factory and talks are both working on a fix to work with the android platform. I never have been a fan of third party software to make anything accessible. I also realize off topic so I will say nothing else about this topic.then a iPhone. That is probably the On Oct 5, 2011, at 6:08 AM, Dane trethowan wrote: > I'm not going to comment much on this as its getting to be off topic but your comment is very subjective. Some may say that the Android devices are - in some respects - more accessible than the IOS devices and we're seeing steady progress as development in this area continues. > > > > On 5/10/2011 10:01 PM, Marcy Weinberg wrote: >> But the iPhone still has something well over the android, that being accessibility. >> >> On Oct 4, 2011, at 10:45 PM, Mike Arrigo wrote: >> >> The big area where apple is playing catch up is by using the cloud. The ability to sync between devices, and not having to use itunes nearly as much. Also, speech recognition and the ability to dictate text, android has had this for quite some time. Android still provides free turn by turn directions, but this must be purchased for the iphone. The iphone is also more expensive, don't get me wrong, the iphone is a good product, but many of the things apple is introducing are already on android. One thing that is important for me is the ability to connect an android phone to a computer, and it will show up as a drive, I can simply copy and delete files. Compared to android, the iphone is a bit restrictive. >> On Oct 4, 2011, at 7:39 PM, Mary Otten wrote: >> >>> Maybe somebody can explain to me how ios5 is playing catch up with Android for blind users. Other perspectives aren't especially important for us as blind users, right? So on the Android phones, I must have a physical navigation method. No touch screen only devices. Which duel core Android phones with 8mp cameras and a gb of ram plus voice assistant will be available to me? Are they gsm capable as well as cdma? What will they cost? In other words, let us please compare apples and apples here, no pun in tended. I don't care if an all touch screen phone has a bigger screen, slightly faster processor and lets me use external bluetooth devices. If I can't navigate and use the phone to its full potential, why on earth would I want it? >>> >>> Mary >>> >>> Mary Otten >>> motten53 at gmail.com >>> >>> >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>> >>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>> . >>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> >> > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From jim.noseworthy at compuconference.com Thu Oct 6 00:54:50 2011 From: jim.noseworthy at compuconference.com (Jim Noseworthy) Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 20:54:50 -0300 Subject: IM in Skype. Message-ID: <3CF55CC4C7FB4882A6A86325CD592C5B@MainComputer> Hi Folks: Any tips on using messaging in Skype? I can't seem to get the hang of it. Thanks. The triune God created human kind to participate, through the Holy Spirit, in the incarnate Son's communion with the Father. From skhleirpehctcoens7284 at gmail.com Thu Oct 6 01:27:03 2011 From: skhleirpehctcoens7284 at gmail.com (Kliph&Sharrie) Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 19:27:03 -0500 Subject: Audio Hijack Pro Question. In-Reply-To: <4E8C85E2.7010804@internode.on.net> References: <4354A9EF802641C2A2EBEBF4EEF56243@CNIBnotebook> <4E8C85E2.7010804@internode.on.net> Message-ID: The record button is command plus r. Now I have a question of my own. What settings do I need to configure if I want everyone on a skype call to hear everything I'm doing with my system? I'm talking itunes, safari, and voice over. Thanks. Kliphton SR (twitter&Skype) kliphton72 (Marriage Blog) http://cm-i-t-real-world.blogspot.com (Marriage group) http://groups.yahoo.com/group/committed-married-christians On Oct 5, 2011, at 11:29 AM, Dane Trethowan wrote: > Can't answer your last point. > > Regarding when scheduling, by default both "Hijack" and "Record" options are enabled, you must "Hijack" a source in order that it be recorded with the "Record" function. If you press the "Record" button the "Hijack" button will also be pressed. > > > > On 6/10/2011 3:18 AM, Jim Noseworthy wrote: >> Hi Folks: >> >> If one schedules a recording in Audio Hijack Pro, is the Hijack and the record options initiated or just the record option. >> >> On another point: I am having a problem assigning the F19 key as a shortcut key for recording; is that a known issue, or am I doing something wrong. >> >> One more thing: how does one when something is being hijacked and recorded? >> >> Thanks all over the place gang. >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > -- > Dane Trethowan > From Melton Victoria Australia > skype callto:grtdane12 > MSN: grtdane at dane-trethowan.net > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From juanitatighan at gmail.com Thu Oct 6 01:28:49 2011 From: juanitatighan at gmail.com (Jane) Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 20:28:49 -0400 Subject: RIP Steve Jobs Message-ID: <3E8816D3-45A6-4873-BC3E-E6DE1163DEAF@gmail.com> It's official. Steve Jobs, 56, died today. I never knew the man, but I had a lot of respect for him. I bought an iBook G4 back when Tiger first came out. I used it to get through my last year of college, and it kept on trucking till after the polls closed when President Obama was elected. I've worked on a Mac Mini, an iMac, and now a MacBook Pro. I also have an iPad. It's thanks to his vision and willingness to include us that we have all this technology from Apple today. He'll be missed. Jane From velocity.focus66 at virginmedia.com Thu Oct 6 01:32:22 2011 From: velocity.focus66 at virginmedia.com (Red.Falcon) Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2011 01:32:22 +0100 Subject: Steve Jobs, may he rest in peace In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <74A1CB7F-E3C1-424A-BA7D-8E4C089D6512@virginmedia.com> Rest in piece Steve! On 6 Oct 2011, at 00:47, Dane Trethowan wrote: > Just heard on the radio that Steve jobs has passed away, I think I wouldn't be the only one if I didn't rais my hand to thank him for the wonderful work he's done at Apple and for his visionary insite which has allowed me along with many others to use a computer and other equipment right out of the box, a job well done and he will be remembered fondly. > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From marrie12 at gmail.com Thu Oct 6 02:15:56 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 18:15:56 -0700 Subject: Audio Hijack Pro Question. In-Reply-To: References: <4354A9EF802641C2A2EBEBF4EEF56243@CNIBnotebook> <4E8C85E2.7010804@internode.on.net> Message-ID: <6D3CF290-3F4B-4408-B92F-1AC61267216B@gmail.com> Yu will need to run it thrugh sound flower. Sicne this does not come wiht audio hijmack anymore, or the last time I checked it did not, you can download it from the google code page. I t has not been updated in for ever though but it still works with lion. Sound flower is like a vertual audio cable with up to 16 channels, although I have never used it that way and don't really know how lol1 Take care all. On Oct 5, 2011, at 5:27 PM, Kliph&Sharrie wrote: > The record button is command plus r. Now I have a question of my own. What settings do I need to configure if I want everyone on a skype call to hear everything I'm doing with my system? I'm talking itunes, safari, and voice over. Thanks. > Kliphton SR > (twitter&Skype) kliphton72 > (Marriage Blog) http://cm-i-t-real-world.blogspot.com > (Marriage group) http://groups.yahoo.com/group/committed-married-christians > > > > On Oct 5, 2011, at 11:29 AM, Dane Trethowan wrote: > >> Can't answer your last point. >> >> Regarding when scheduling, by default both "Hijack" and "Record" options are enabled, you must "Hijack" a source in order that it be recorded with the "Record" function. If you press the "Record" button the "Hijack" button will also be pressed. >> >> >> >> On 6/10/2011 3:18 AM, Jim Noseworthy wrote: >>> Hi Folks: >>> >>> If one schedules a recording in Audio Hijack Pro, is the Hijack and the record options initiated or just the record option. >>> >>> On another point: I am having a problem assigning the F19 key as a shortcut key for recording; is that a known issue, or am I doing something wrong. >>> >>> One more thing: how does one when something is being hijacked and recorded? >>> >>> Thanks all over the place gang. >>> >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>> >>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>> . >>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> -- >> Dane Trethowan >> From Melton Victoria Australia >> skype callto:grtdane12 >> MSN: grtdane at dane-trethowan.net >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From n0oxy at charter.net Thu Oct 6 02:44:49 2011 From: n0oxy at charter.net (Mike Arrigo) Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 20:44:49 -0500 Subject: iphone 4s In-Reply-To: <9B096602-9217-414E-982A-A006E9591F5D@gmail.com> References: <174F1FB8-74CF-48F5-BD89-274A213CCCB7@gmail.com> <9CA1FC91-0D53-4041-B56C-9D36BD3E9EEF@charter.net> <3FD0D7EB-1A58-43F3-AE2F-2FD02207AD33@computing.dcu.ie> <8DA80231-4147-4A4F-87D7-E727F397F421@charter.net> <9B096602-9217-414E-982A-A006E9591F5D@gmail.com> Message-ID: <8FF57D95-43C5-40C1-9949-C54B672A8495@charter.net> Android may not have every single accessibility feature the iphone does, but I can easily complete the same task on both platforms, and sometimes android is faster, have you actually tried android or are you saying this from what you have heard? On Oct 5, 2011, at 6:01 AM, Marcy Weinberg wrote: > But the iPhone still has something well over the android, that being accessibility. > > On Oct 4, 2011, at 10:45 PM, Mike Arrigo wrote: > > The big area where apple is playing catch up is by using the cloud. The ability to sync between devices, and not having to use itunes nearly as much. Also, speech recognition and the ability to dictate text, android has had this for quite some time. Android still provides free turn by turn directions, but this must be purchased for the iphone. The iphone is also more expensive, don't get me wrong, the iphone is a good product, but many of the things apple is introducing are already on android. One thing that is important for me is the ability to connect an android phone to a computer, and it will show up as a drive, I can simply copy and delete files. Compared to android, the iphone is a bit restrictive. > On Oct 4, 2011, at 7:39 PM, Mary Otten wrote: > >> Maybe somebody can explain to me how ios5 is playing catch up with Android for blind users. Other perspectives aren't especially important for us as blind users, right? So on the Android phones, I must have a physical navigation method. No touch screen only devices. Which duel core Android phones with 8mp cameras and a gb of ram plus voice assistant will be available to me? Are they gsm capable as well as cdma? What will they cost? In other words, let us please compare apples and apples here, no pun in tended. I don't care if an all touch screen phone has a bigger screen, slightly faster processor and lets me use external bluetooth devices. If I can't navigate and use the phone to its full potential, why on earth would I want it? >> >> Mary >> >> Mary Otten >> motten53 at gmail.com >> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > > > -- > Marcy > marcy.weinberg1 at gmail.com > > > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From mmaslo1964 at swbell.net Thu Oct 6 03:03:17 2011 From: mmaslo1964 at swbell.net (michael maslo) Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 21:03:17 -0500 Subject: iphone 4s In-Reply-To: <8FF57D95-43C5-40C1-9949-C54B672A8495@charter.net> References: <174F1FB8-74CF-48F5-BD89-274A213CCCB7@gmail.com> <9CA1FC91-0D53-4041-B56C-9D36BD3E9EEF@charter.net> <3FD0D7EB-1A58-43F3-AE2F-2FD02207AD33@computing.dcu.ie> <8DA80231-4147-4A4F-87D7-E727F397F421@charter.net> <9B096602-9217-414E-982A-A006E9591F5D@gmail.com> <8FF57D95-43C5-40C1-9949-C54B672A8495@charter.net> Message-ID: Have tried it before. On Oct 5, 2011, at 8:44 PM, Mike Arrigo wrote: > Android may not have every single accessibility feature the iphone does, but I can easily complete the same task on both platforms, and sometimes android is faster, have you actually tried android or are you saying this from what you have heard? > On Oct 5, 2011, at 6:01 AM, Marcy Weinberg wrote: > >> But the iPhone still has something well over the android, that being accessibility. >> >> On Oct 4, 2011, at 10:45 PM, Mike Arrigo wrote: >> >> The big area where apple is playing catch up is by using the cloud. The ability to sync between devices, and not having to use itunes nearly as much. Also, speech recognition and the ability to dictate text, android has had this for quite some time. Android still provides free turn by turn directions, but this must be purchased for the iphone. The iphone is also more expensive, don't get me wrong, the iphone is a good product, but many of the things apple is introducing are already on android. One thing that is important for me is the ability to connect an android phone to a computer, and it will show up as a drive, I can simply copy and delete files. Compared to android, the iphone is a bit restrictive. >> On Oct 4, 2011, at 7:39 PM, Mary Otten wrote: >> >>> Maybe somebody can explain to me how ios5 is playing catch up with Android for blind users. Other perspectives aren't especially important for us as blind users, right? So on the Android phones, I must have a physical navigation method. No touch screen only devices. Which duel core Android phones with 8mp cameras and a gb of ram plus voice assistant will be available to me? Are they gsm capable as well as cdma? What will they cost? In other words, let us please compare apples and apples here, no pun in tended. I don't care if an all touch screen phone has a bigger screen, slightly faster processor and lets me use external bluetooth devices. If I can't navigate and use the phone to its full potential, why on earth would I want it? >>> >>> Mary >>> >>> Mary Otten >>> motten53 at gmail.com >>> >>> >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>> >>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>> . >>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> >> >> -- >> Marcy >> marcy.weinberg1 at gmail.com >> >> >> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From lynne at mac-access.net Thu Oct 6 04:11:40 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2011 04:11:40 +0100 Subject: Steve Jobs; Let Us Never Forget! Message-ID: <4D2BB89A-1AA2-4607-AB50-4312040FE8EA@mac-access.net> Hello everybody It was with the greatest of regret that Gordon and I learned of the passing away of Steve Jobs yesterday. Steve will long be remembered I think by each and every one of us on this list; as, without his efforts, his vision and his determination, we would none of us be in the position we are today. Whether we use Macs, iOS devices or both, we are all beneficiaries of Steve's work. Without it we'd all be stuck in the Microsoft net and all be paying through the nose for what we often take for granted. Steve, whether we knew him personally or not, has had a huge impact upon the lives of millions upon millions of people around the globe. Were it not for him, this list would not exist. The very fact that the servers powering the group are running OSX is testimony to his efforts and I am sure we are all deeply grateful for them. May Steve rest in peace in a better place than this world; and may his legacy continue to speak for him many years from now. Lynne From lynne at mac-access.net Thu Oct 6 04:29:25 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2011 04:29:25 +0100 Subject: BPS Software Message-ID: <627F076F-53F4-4A15-A648-78EA041D79A4@mac-access.net> Hello everybody Those people interested in the purchase of any of the BPS Software products, we here at Mac Access are now very pleased to tell you that we can issue your licences ourselves so you need no longer worry about missing registration data. All you need to do is buy the products using the custom links which, if required, I can send you again and then we will issue your licenses if you don't receive them immediately. All you need do is contact us, and we'll do the rest for you right away. Be advised that we will never ask you for money. Your payment can be taken in the usual way via PayPal and we don't need to see any of your personal data. Everything can be automated until the license creation stage; where we'll be more than happy to assist if required. Remember that this developer, (who is now an official partner of Mac Access Dot Net, and visa versa): strives to bring you quality yet affordable software. We are proud to be associated with this small Mac-dedicated developer who is very keen to make all of his products accessible and to make them available at a discount for all Mac Access Dot Net members. Lynne From helianthe at mac-access.net Thu Oct 6 04:32:47 2011 From: helianthe at mac-access.net (Lyn & Twinny) Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2011 05:32:47 +0200 Subject: Steve Jobs; Let Us Never Forget! In-Reply-To: <4D2BB89A-1AA2-4607-AB50-4312040FE8EA@mac-access.net> References: <4D2BB89A-1AA2-4607-AB50-4312040FE8EA@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <7CFF6B93-A81E-43BF-94B3-F7775B7F903D@mac-access.net> I was very sad to read the news too. Lynne, you are so right, we would all be stuck in the Microsoft world and paying out the nose had Steve Jobs not done everything he has done. All I can say is a big, big thank you to Steve Jobs. He will be sorely missed and forever remembered. May his soul rest in peace, yes, certainly in a much better world than this one. life is very precious, and we should all try to live it to the full and above all, show respect to others, whether we like them or not. Show some gratitude to those who go out of their way to help, be good to others and help each other instead of ignoring and spreading hatred around. Rest in peace Steve Jobs and thank you ever so much. Lyn, Canelle & Epi On Oct 6, 2011, at 5:11 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hello everybody > > It was with the greatest of regret that Gordon and I learned of the passing away of Steve Jobs yesterday. Steve will long be remembered I think by each and every one of us on this list; as, without his efforts, his vision and his determination, we would none of us be in the position we are today. Whether we use Macs, iOS devices or both, we are all beneficiaries of Steve's work. Without it we'd all be stuck in the Microsoft net and all be paying through the nose for what we often take for granted. > > Steve, whether we knew him personally or not, has had a huge impact upon the lives of millions upon millions of people around the globe. Were it not for him, this list would not exist. The very fact that the servers powering the group are running OSX is testimony to his efforts and I am sure we are all deeply grateful for them. > > May Steve rest in peace in a better place than this world; and may his legacy continue to speak for him many years from now. > > Lynne > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > ********** You can contact me in the following ways: email: helianthe at mac-access.net msn: lyn.bordeaux33 at gmail.com skype: keanemaniac facebook: www.facebook.com/lyn.bordeaux33 I am now also on twitter: www.twitter.com/mickymac2010 Please say who you are if asking to share details, thank you. From mmaslo1964 at swbell.net Thu Oct 6 06:19:16 2011 From: mmaslo1964 at swbell.net (michael maslo) Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2011 00:19:16 -0500 Subject: BPS Software In-Reply-To: <627F076F-53F4-4A15-A648-78EA041D79A4@mac-access.net> References: <627F076F-53F4-4A15-A648-78EA041D79A4@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <3E1CF703-D05D-4F91-B02C-09C3F8522F90@swbell.net> Hi list: What type of software do they have? I went to the web site and saw art for computers. Is that what they sell or is there more? Thanks in advance.On Oct 5, 2011, at 10:29 PM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hello everybody > > Those people interested in the purchase of any of the BPS Software products, we here at Mac Access are now very pleased to tell you that we can issue your licences ourselves so you need no longer worry about missing registration data. All you need to do is buy the products using the custom links which, if required, I can send you again and then we will issue your licenses if you don't receive them immediately. All you need do is contact us, and we'll do the rest for you right away. > > Be advised that we will never ask you for money. Your payment can be taken in the usual way via PayPal and we don't need to see any of your personal data. Everything can be automated until the license creation stage; where we'll be more than happy to assist if required. > > Remember that this developer, (who is now an official partner of Mac Access Dot Net, and visa versa): > > strives to bring you quality yet affordable software. We are proud to be associated with this small Mac-dedicated developer who is very keen to make all of his products accessible and to make them available at a discount for all Mac Access Dot Net members. > > > Lynne > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From lynne at mac-access.net Thu Oct 6 06:29:57 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2011 06:29:57 +0100 Subject: BPS Software In-Reply-To: <3E1CF703-D05D-4F91-B02C-09C3F8522F90@swbell.net> References: <627F076F-53F4-4A15-A648-78EA041D79A4@mac-access.net> <3E1CF703-D05D-4F91-B02C-09C3F8522F90@swbell.net> Message-ID: Mike Try the root of the site, for a list of their products. Amongst which are sArchiver, the best archive tool on the Mac, and sBackup another backup utility. Don't buy directly from there or you won't get the discount if you opt to buy anything. Let me know and I'll send the custom links for our members again. There are trials of all of their software available. Lynne On 6 Oct 2011, at 06:19, michael maslo wrote: Hi list: What type of software do they have? I went to the web site and saw art for computers. Is that what they sell or is there more? Thanks in advance.On Oct 5, 2011, at 10:29 PM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hello everybody > > Those people interested in the purchase of any of the BPS Software products, we here at Mac Access are now very pleased to tell you that we can issue your licences ourselves so you need no longer worry about missing registration data. All you need to do is buy the products using the custom links which, if required, I can send you again and then we will issue your licenses if you don't receive them immediately. All you need do is contact us, and we'll do the rest for you right away. > > Be advised that we will never ask you for money. Your payment can be taken in the usual way via PayPal and we don't need to see any of your personal data. Everything can be automated until the license creation stage; where we'll be more than happy to assist if required. > > Remember that this developer, (who is now an official partner of Mac Access Dot Net, and visa versa): > > strives to bring you quality yet affordable software. We are proud to be associated with this small Mac-dedicated developer who is very keen to make all of his products accessible and to make them available at a discount for all Mac Access Dot Net members. > > > Lynne > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: or at the public Mail Archive: . Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From will.d.lomas at gmail.com Thu Oct 6 06:33:03 2011 From: will.d.lomas at gmail.com (william lomas) Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2011 06:33:03 +0100 Subject: thoughts on iPhone 4S Message-ID: <7F8843B0-7E29-44A1-B6D3-E4402EA82B53@gmail.com> hi what do people here think then of the iPhone 4s? anyone going to upgrade from the 4 if they have one? to only get voice recognition a faster supposedly processor which will make battery life worse in my view these benchmarks are nothing to go buy and an eight mp camera when we have no OCR for it isn't worth it. THe fact that the rest of IOS five can run well on a 3gs, or a 4, is testament to it but i would like siri on my phone why should i spend more money just to ge that? all apple want is money I going to go i think with android next year my upgrade is due next year not this. if we can though use the apple remote and mike headphones to press a button and say, text lyn to say i am running late as we on the road that's great but if have to stop, take phone out pocket hold down a button and speak then put phone away and continue on route it is silly but i do want a faster way to type as texting take forever in my view on an ios device, but what are peoples thoughts? maybe i am missing reasons to upgrade but the price is too high apple need to live in the real world we are in hard times, who wants to spend money on a phone that hardly offers anything new? From lynne at mac-access.net Thu Oct 6 06:46:37 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2011 06:46:37 +0100 Subject: BPS Software; Custom Links Message-ID: <6A31B0BB-CFCA-4972-8C99-CE80CF7F02B5@mac-access.net> Hello everybody We will add these to our blog in due course, and to the main website. In the meantime, here are the custom link details for the BPS Software products discounted for Mac Access Dot Net members: The discounted link for sArchiver, the best archiver utility for the Mac: The custom link for sBackup is at: this product is reduced in price at this URL from $19.99 to $14.99 (USD) The URL for iTunes Controller 2 is at: < http://bitpersecond.com/bps/itunescontroller2_macaccessnet.html> discounted from $9.99 to $7.99 (USD) The custom URL for @nonymous is at: discounted from $9.99 to $7.99 (USD) Lynne From chris.hallsworth at techno-chat.net Thu Oct 6 07:32:49 2011 From: chris.hallsworth at techno-chat.net (chris hallsworth) Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2011 07:32:49 +0100 Subject: Steve Jobs; Let Us Never Forget! In-Reply-To: <4D2BB89A-1AA2-4607-AB50-4312040FE8EA@mac-access.net> References: <4D2BB89A-1AA2-4607-AB50-4312040FE8EA@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <4E8D4B91.9020809@techno-chat.net> Hi all. It is very sad indeed to hear of the passing of the businessman who not only thought about products for the general public, but also thought about making such products accessible to the blind and visually impaired community. Without him, we would be stuck in the microsoft world like you say Lynn, and VoiceOver would be a dream and not a reality. Microsoft is only now slowly catching up with Apple for competetor's sake. But it may be too late. Who knows. Anyway, may he rest in peace and my sincere condolences go out to everyone at Apple, as well as those who loved and knew Steve. Take care. On 06/10/2011 04:11, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hello everybody > > It was with the greatest of regret that Gordon and I learned of the passing away of Steve Jobs yesterday. Steve will long be remembered I think by each and every one of us on this list; as, without his efforts, his vision and his determination, we would none of us be in the position we are today. Whether we use Macs, iOS devices or both, we are all beneficiaries of Steve's work. Without it we'd all be stuck in the Microsoft net and all be paying through the nose for what we often take for granted. > > Steve, whether we knew him personally or not, has had a huge impact upon the lives of millions upon millions of people around the globe. Were it not for him, this list would not exist. The very fact that the servers powering the group are running OSX is testimony to his efforts and I am sure we are all deeply grateful for them. > > May Steve rest in peace in a better place than this world; and may his legacy continue to speak for him many years from now. > > Lynne > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > > From lynne at mac-access.net Thu Oct 6 08:32:16 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2011 08:32:16 +0100 Subject: Creating Archives Message-ID: <4A9F9AE8-FC6A-4CBE-AFAD-67CD77C4844F@mac-access.net> Hello everybody I'm looking for a little advice if I may. I have a lot of folders on one of our volumes whose contents I want to create an archive of. In other words, I want a separate archive using the same archive parameters for each folder. This is obviously the disadvantage of the GUI-based system such as sArchiver because each one has to be done individually. So, what I'm asking is how difficult would it be, and where would i start, using which tool, to create something like an AppleScript to sequentially create each archive in a single automated operation? I don't particularly want to have to sit here and programme each archive manually in an environment such as sArchiver which, whilst great for individual archives, would be tedious in circumstances such as these. Lynne From lynne at mac-access.net Thu Oct 6 08:39:32 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2011 08:39:32 +0100 Subject: MS Playing Catch-Up! In-Reply-To: <4E8D4B91.9020809@techno-chat.net> References: <4D2BB89A-1AA2-4607-AB50-4312040FE8EA@mac-access.net> <4E8D4B91.9020809@techno-chat.net> Message-ID: <7351D2DE-7577-4729-8DCF-E4AE35985B9B@mac-access.net> Hello Chris MS will never catch up with Apple until they: 1. Rewrite Windows from scratch, doing away with all the obsolete code and file systems. 2. Reduce their prices from the several hundred Dollars/Pounds to the several tens. I don't see it happening so Apple has nothing to worry about Lynne From grtdane at internode.on.net Thu Oct 6 08:59:38 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2011 18:59:38 +1100 Subject: MS Playing Catch-Up! In-Reply-To: <7351D2DE-7577-4729-8DCF-E4AE35985B9B@mac-access.net> References: <4D2BB89A-1AA2-4607-AB50-4312040FE8EA@mac-access.net> <4E8D4B91.9020809@techno-chat.net> <7351D2DE-7577-4729-8DCF-E4AE35985B9B@mac-access.net> Message-ID: On the second point Microsoft have actually reduced the price of Windows, not by enough I grant you but at least they have, over here you can buy a "Windows 7 Home Premium family Pack" for $150.00, that gives you a licence for 3 machines. Again, not nearly as flexible as it should be and not nearly cheap enough but at least Microsoft and other company's are getting the message and at least you get a DVD ROM of the software, I've not seen n OSX Lion DVD ROM as yet. On 06/10/2011, at 6:39 PM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hello Chris > > MS will never catch up with Apple until they: > 1. Rewrite Windows from scratch, doing away with all the obsolete code and file systems. > > 2. Reduce their prices from the several hundred Dollars/Pounds to the several tens. > > I don't see it happening so Apple has nothing to worry about > > Lynne > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From moriond at mac.com Thu Oct 6 10:02:32 2011 From: moriond at mac.com (Esther) Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2011 23:02:32 -1000 Subject: Steve Jobs; Let Us Never Forget! In-Reply-To: <4E8D4B91.9020809@techno-chat.net> References: <4D2BB89A-1AA2-4607-AB50-4312040FE8EA@mac-access.net> <4E8D4B91.9020809@techno-chat.net> Message-ID: <1A43E670-6C5B-4830-A52D-6862A4D6EF5A@mac.com> Hi All, Since a friend just forwarded to me an email that his wife sent to their son, telling him to watch the talk he gave at the 2005 Stanford University Commencement on how to live before you die, and referencing the TED web page (where this appears as a flash video), I thought some of you might want to listen to this yourselves. These are available as both audio and video podcasts in iTunes U, and I listened to this talk when I downloaded it a few years ago. I'll give you the episode links below, but they may wrap, and focus may not go directly to the old episodes in question. So the easier way to find these from iTunes is to use VO-M or Control-F2 to navigate to the menu bar, then press "s t" to move to the "Store" menu, then arrow down and press "s" to move to the "Search?" option and press return. You'll be switched to the iTunes Store Power Search page. Bring up item chooser menu (with VO-I) and press "p o w" to find the Power Search link and press return to navigate there. Then VO-Right arrow (or use the Right arrow of QuickNav, or flick right if you are using Trackpad Commander) to the "All Results" pop-up button, press it (with VO-Space or by simultaneously pressing the up and down arrow keys if you use QuickNav, or by double tapping if you use Trackpad Commander), and set the pop up to "iTunes U" by pressing "i" followed by "Return". Navigate (VO-Right arrow, or right arrow in QuickNav mode, or flick right in TrackPad Commander) to the title text field, VO-Space in the field to activate it for editing, or press the up and down arrow keys in QuickNav, or double tap in TrackPad Commander. Then type in "Commencement". Then navigate past the description text field to the institution text field, activate that field for editing, and type in "Stanford" and press "Return" to run the search. Navigate to the table. The first row entry will be the video podcast version of Steve Jobs' 2005 Commencement speech, and the second row entry will be the audio podcast version. Navigate to the "Free Episode" button for the podcast and VO-Space to download the podcast. If you only want to play it from iTunes, just VO-Space on the first button of the entry row you want. The downloaded podcast will be in the "iTunes U" section of your library, so you have to select it in the sources table, by interacting with the table, then navigating (e.g. with VO-Down arrow or by typing the first few letters of "iTunes U") to "iTunes U". Highlight "iTunes U" by clicking with VO-Shift-Space. (If you don't have your Mouse Cursor set to follow your VoiceOver cursor in your VoiceOver Utility navigation settings, you may have to first route your Mouse Cursor to your VoiceOver cursor with VO-Command-F5 before clicking to highlight with VO-Shift-Space.) Then jump to the associated songs table with VO-Command-T. Navigate to the Commencement series entry, and highlight it by clicking with VO-Shift-Space. Use Option+Right arrow to expand the series, then find your episode and start playing by pressing space bar. I might first navigate to the search text field (with Command-Option-F) and type in "Steve Jobs" to limit the displayed entries in the songs table to matches to that search term. HTH. It's a very inspirational podcast about how to live and make choices. Cheers, Esther > On 06/10/2011 04:11, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: >> Hello everybody >> >> It was with the greatest of regret that Gordon and I learned of the passing away of Steve Jobs yesterday. Steve will long be remembered I think by each and every one of us on this list; as, without his efforts, his vision and his determination, we would none of us be in the position we are today. Whether we use Macs, iOS devices or both, we are all beneficiaries of Steve's work. Without it we'd all be stuck in the Microsoft net and all be paying through the nose for what we often take for granted. >> >> Steve, whether we knew him personally or not, has had a huge impact upon the lives of millions upon millions of people around the globe. Were it not for him, this list would not exist. The very fact that the servers powering the group are running OSX is testimony to his efforts and I am sure we are all deeply grateful for them. >> >> May Steve rest in peace in a better place than this world; and may his legacy continue to speak for him many years from now. >> >> Lynne From moriond at mac.com Thu Oct 6 10:12:55 2011 From: moriond at mac.com (Esther) Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2011 23:12:55 -1000 Subject: Printing from my Ipad In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <71B1D9B9-61CB-4E17-BBCF-3F550B981CF1@mac.com> Hi Dane, I noticed that Print Agent Pro, the app that I used to print from Dropbox for Air Print Compatible printers, is 50% off for October 6 purchases. This is true of all apps by the developer, Dar-Soft. Here's the link ? Print Agent Pro for iPad ($2.99 -- usually $5.99) by Dar-Soft http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/print-agent-pro-for-ipad/id421782942?mt=8 Note that I've only tried this app with an Airprint supported printer, and AppAdvice claims that you can't use this app to print to a WiFi printer that is not AIrprint compatible. See their App Guide on Printer Apps: http://appadvice.com/appguides/show/printing As I said earlier, you might want to check Readdle's Lite version of their Printer app for compatibility with other printers, but this should work with Dane's configuration. Dar-Soft also has an iPhone version of this app. HTH. Cheers, Esther On Sep 30, 2011, at 08:19, Dane Trethowan wrote: > Hi! > > You mentioned Evernote in some of the Air Print compatible apps for Iphone/ipad, have you ever used this? I used Evernote ever so briefly on the Mac platform and it was one of those projects I must continue to investigate, if you get an Evernote Pro account OCR can be performed on images you upload thus turning the images into text files or notes, I'd have to read the whole Evernote thing again as OCR is just one of the many features that this service provides apart from the obvious, keeping track of your notes, saving web pages for your convenience and so on. > > > On 29/09/2011, at 7:13 AM, Esther wrote: > >> Hi Dane, >> >> Airprint works with a variety of apps on your iPad, including Safari, Pages, Keynote, Numbers, iBooks (for PDF files -- not ePub), Instapaper, Evernote, Readdle Docs for iPad, Nebulous Notes (the note-taking app I posted about last week when it went free), Elements, and others. HP has a list of Airprint compatible apps in PDF format that you can download, but it's somewhat old: >> >> http://www.hp.com/sbso/printing/mac/list-airprint-compatible-apps.pdf >> >> There are also some apps that are supposed to enable printing to non-Airprint printers. I took a chance on an app called Print Agent Pro for iPad by Dar-Soft that has been see-sawing in price between the regular $5.99 and $2.99 sale price over much of August and September. This app lets me send text documents in my Dropbox app to Print Agent Pro, and then use the print dialogue within the Print Agent Pro app to send it to an Airprint compatible printer. >> >> There may be better solutions, and Readdle's Printer Pro app is supposed to be very good. (But I missed that sale.) Here's the page listing Printer apps for the iPad from AppAdvice: >> >> http://appadvice.com/appguides/show/printing >> >> There's a free Lite version of Readdle's Printer app that people without Airprint compatible printers can use to check out whether their printers are supported. Readdle's Printer Pro also has the ability to print files from Dropbox, MobileMe, Google Docs and the photo gallery, and there's supposed to be a version for the iPhone, too. You might want to look into that, for general iPad printing. >> >> HTH. Cheers, >> >> Esther >> >> >> On Sep 28, 2011, at 07:47, Dane Trethowan wrote: >> >>> Hi! >>> >>> Yep, I managed to print an email from my in-box on my Ipad and the process was dead easy, just select the Airplay compatible printer - in my case the HP Officejet Pro 8500A Plus - make adjustments to number of copies, pages etc and double-tap the "Print" button. >>> >>> So now to the question, if I wanted to print a text document from my Ipad which app could I use? As far as I'm aware Mail is the only app on the Ipad which can use the Air Print facility, is this correct? >>> >>> I did try to send a message to this list earlier on the same subject but I don't think the message reached its target so sorry if I'm repeating myself . >>> From lynne at mac-access.net Thu Oct 6 10:14:38 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2011 10:14:38 +0100 Subject: MS Playing Catch-Up! In-Reply-To: References: <4D2BB89A-1AA2-4607-AB50-4312040FE8EA@mac-access.net> <4E8D4B91.9020809@techno-chat.net> <7351D2DE-7577-4729-8DCF-E4AE35985B9B@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <10469DAF-1765-4CFC-BDD5-C97218DE82A8@mac-access.net> yes, well let's not take this any further on list as it's off topic now because you're no longer referring to Apple. :) Lynne From grtdane at internode.on.net Thu Oct 6 10:18:19 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2011 20:18:19 +1100 Subject: MS Playing Catch-Up! In-Reply-To: <10469DAF-1765-4CFC-BDD5-C97218DE82A8@mac-access.net> References: <4D2BB89A-1AA2-4607-AB50-4312040FE8EA@mac-access.net> <4E8D4B91.9020809@techno-chat.net> <7351D2DE-7577-4729-8DCF-E4AE35985B9B@mac-access.net> <10469DAF-1765-4CFC-BDD5-C97218DE82A8@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <02677B66-63D8-4B83-A236-26E5A5B7C8C0@internode.on.net> Well you're the one who brought up the points which I replied to . On 06/10/2011, at 8:14 PM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > yes, well let's not take this any further on list as it's off topic now because you're no longer referring to Apple. :) > > Lynne > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From chojiro1990 at gmail.com Thu Oct 6 10:19:28 2011 From: chojiro1990 at gmail.com (Nicolai Svendsen) Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2011 11:19:28 +0200 Subject: thoughts on iPhone 4S In-Reply-To: <7F8843B0-7E29-44A1-B6D3-E4402EA82B53@gmail.com> References: <7F8843B0-7E29-44A1-B6D3-E4402EA82B53@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi !From what I remember from having an Apple headset with remote, holding down the play/pause button would trigger Voice Control. That functionality isn't going to be stripped out, so when that voice assistant launches, you can use it for the very same. Secondly, iOS 5 probably isn't going to run horribly fast on the 3GS, compared to the iPhone 4. For those running the 3GS, the 4S is definitely worth upgrading to because of the faster speed. If you already have the iPhone 4, while the 4S is supposedly twice as fast it'd probably still run fine, and if you don't need the camera or Siri then you might as well stick with what you have. Battery life hasn't been made worse because of the extra power, but reportedly better according to the event. More power doesn't necessarily equal sacrificing battery life whatsoever. While Apple can sometimes be a bit generous with their statistics, it's not entirely untrue that you can optimize battery life and pack more processing power into a device with reasonably good results if the chip itself is capable of reducing battery consumption. In any case, I'll be getting mine from Germany. Everything is hugely expensive here because of various tax rates as opposed to Germany, and Germany is getting it on the 14th. The huge benefit to the touchscreen devices is that, since the keyboard is intelligent, changing the keyboard layout gives you the keys that you need so you can potentially buy the phone from any country. Regards, Nic On Oct 6, 2011, at 7:33 AM, william lomas wrote: > hi what do people here think then of the iPhone 4s? anyone going to upgrade from the 4 if they have one? > to only get voice recognition a faster supposedly processor which will make battery life worse in my view these benchmarks are nothing to go buy and an eight mp camera when we have no OCR for it isn't worth it. > THe fact that the rest of IOS five can run well on a 3gs, or a 4, is testament to it but i would like siri on my phone why should i spend more money just to ge that? > all apple want is money I going to go i think with android next year > my upgrade is due next year not this. > if we can though use the apple remote and mike headphones to press a button and say, text lyn to say i am running late as we on the road that's great but if have to stop, take phone out pocket hold down a button and speak then put phone away and continue on route it is silly but i do want a faster way to type as texting take forever in my view on an ios device, but what are peoples thoughts? > maybe i am missing reasons to upgrade but the price is too high apple need to live in the real world we are in hard times, who wants to spend money on a phone that hardly offers anything new? > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie Thu Oct 6 10:24:06 2011 From: dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie (=?iso-8859-1?Q?D=F3nal_Fitzpatrick?=) Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2011 10:24:06 +0100 Subject: thoughts on iPhone 4S In-Reply-To: References: <7F8843B0-7E29-44A1-B6D3-E4402EA82B53@gmail.com> Message-ID: <79972330-3E6D-4B9A-BEBA-B5E3B19ADE80@computing.dcu.ie> Nick, You getting yours sim-free? Any idea how much? Regarding your other points, I agree 100%. D?nal On 6 Oct 2011, at 10:19, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: > Hi > > !From what I remember from having an Apple headset with remote, holding down the play/pause button would trigger Voice Control. That functionality isn't going to be stripped out, so when that voice assistant launches, you can use it for the very same. > > Secondly, iOS 5 probably isn't going to run horribly fast on the 3GS, compared to the iPhone 4. For those running the 3GS, the 4S is definitely worth upgrading to because of the faster speed. If you already have the iPhone 4, while the 4S is supposedly twice as fast it'd probably still run fine, and if you don't need the camera or Siri then you might as well stick with what you have. > > Battery life hasn't been made worse because of the extra power, but reportedly better according to the event. More power doesn't necessarily equal sacrificing battery life whatsoever. While Apple can sometimes be a bit generous with their statistics, it's not entirely untrue that you can optimize battery life and pack more processing power into a device with reasonably good results if the chip itself is capable of reducing battery consumption. > > In any case, I'll be getting mine from Germany. Everything is hugely expensive here because of various tax rates as opposed to Germany, and Germany is getting it on the 14th. The huge benefit to the touchscreen devices is that, since the keyboard is intelligent, changing the keyboard layout gives you the keys that you need so you can potentially buy the phone from any country. > > Regards, > Nic > On Oct 6, 2011, at 7:33 AM, william lomas wrote: > >> hi what do people here think then of the iPhone 4s? anyone going to upgrade from the 4 if they have one? >> to only get voice recognition a faster supposedly processor which will make battery life worse in my view these benchmarks are nothing to go buy and an eight mp camera when we have no OCR for it isn't worth it. >> THe fact that the rest of IOS five can run well on a 3gs, or a 4, is testament to it but i would like siri on my phone why should i spend more money just to ge that? >> all apple want is money I going to go i think with android next year >> my upgrade is due next year not this. >> if we can though use the apple remote and mike headphones to press a button and say, text lyn to say i am running late as we on the road that's great but if have to stop, take phone out pocket hold down a button and speak then put phone away and continue on route it is silly but i do want a faster way to type as texting take forever in my view on an ios device, but what are peoples thoughts? >> maybe i am missing reasons to upgrade but the price is too high apple need to live in the real world we are in hard times, who wants to spend money on a phone that hardly offers anything new? >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > D?nal Fitzpatrick dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie From jonathan.tyrer at gmail.com Thu Oct 6 10:26:41 2011 From: jonathan.tyrer at gmail.com (Jonathan Tyrer) Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2011 10:26:41 +0100 Subject: thoughts on iPhone 4S In-Reply-To: <7F8843B0-7E29-44A1-B6D3-E4402EA82B53@gmail.com> References: <7F8843B0-7E29-44A1-B6D3-E4402EA82B53@gmail.com> Message-ID: OMG! I'm glad it's morning. Apple is a company that produces products to sell. If you odn'don't want to buy them, don't. Luckilly it's not yet against the law to choos not to upgrade your phone. I love the living in the real world bit. God bless. Jonathan On 06/10/2011, william lomas wrote: > hi what do people here think then of the iPhone 4s? anyone going to upgrade > from the 4 if they have one? > to only get voice recognition a faster supposedly processor which will make > battery life worse in my view these benchmarks are nothing to go buy and an > eight mp camera when we have no OCR for it isn't worth it. > THe fact that the rest of IOS five can run well on a 3gs, or a 4, is > testament to it but i would like siri on my phone why should i spend more > money just to ge that? > all apple want is money I going to go i think with android next year > my upgrade is due next year not this. > if we can though use the apple remote and mike headphones to press a button > and say, text lyn to say i am running late as we on the road that's great > but if have to stop, take phone out pocket hold down a button and speak then > put phone away and continue on route it is silly but i do want a faster way > to type as texting take forever in my view on an ios device, but what are > peoples thoughts? > maybe i am missing reasons to upgrade but the price is too high apple need > to live in the real world we are in hard times, who wants to spend money on > a phone that hardly offers anything new? > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at > either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus > and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting > the list website at: > > From jonathan.tyrer at gmail.com Thu Oct 6 10:37:13 2011 From: jonathan.tyrer at gmail.com (Jonathan Tyrer) Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2011 10:37:13 +0100 Subject: Reading PDF books with Ibooks In-Reply-To: <2F1E2FCE-44C2-4019-B1D9-A71B520A734E@mac.com> References: <4F46A9D3-1384-4FF5-AA2A-3B3213EF849E@computing.dcu.ie> <2F1E2FCE-44C2-4019-B1D9-A71B520A734E@mac.com> Message-ID: I've found when reading .pdf documents in iBooks, the page number is spoken every time the page turns. This doesn't happen with .epup books and I've not found a way to turn it off. Although you tune them out after a while, I still choose to creat .epup files. JT On 05/10/2011, Esther wrote: > Hi Dane, > > You can mail PDF files as attachments to yourself, then open them in iBooks, > or you can use Dropbox or MobileMe links to the files, or use direct > download links on a web page and have them open up in iBooks. If you want > to do something fancier, like use zipped or archived files, you can use a > file transfer app like Filer to open them, then transfer them to iBooks (or > any other app that supports PDF reading on your device). This has all > worked for a while for PDF files. The same methods work for ePub files > since about April, I think, when iBooks was updated to recognize ePub files. > I've used FileChute (paid program that I already had) on my Mac to send > myself and others links to ePub or PDF files on my MobileMe account. > > HTH. Cheers, > > Esther > > On Oct 5, 2011, at 11:25, Dane Trethowan wrote: > >> On a somewhat different but nevertheless related matter, how do you add >> PDF documents to Ibooks on the Ipad and read them? >> >> >> On 06/10/2011, at 8:22 AM, Jane wrote: >> >>> I use Stanza available at >>> >>> www.lexcycle.com >>> On Oct 5, 2011, at 5:15 PM, D?nal Fitzpatrick wrote: >>> >>>> Just a quick query. What are people using to read ePub files on the >>>> mac? I have it in PDF as well if there's no decent app. >>>> >>>> Cheers. > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at > either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus > and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting > the list website at: > > From gordon at mac-access.net Thu Oct 6 10:49:55 2011 From: gordon at mac-access.net (Gordon Smith) Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2011 10:49:55 +0100 Subject: MS Playing Catch-Up! In-Reply-To: <02677B66-63D8-4B83-A236-26E5A5B7C8C0@internode.on.net> References: <4D2BB89A-1AA2-4607-AB50-4312040FE8EA@mac-access.net> <4E8D4B91.9020809@techno-chat.net> <7351D2DE-7577-4729-8DCF-E4AE35985B9B@mac-access.net> <10469DAF-1765-4CFC-BDD5-C97218DE82A8@mac-access.net> <02677B66-63D8-4B83-A236-26E5A5B7C8C0@internode.on.net> Message-ID: Yes she did. But Lynne made reference to Apple. But all the same nobody is arguing. On 6 Oct 2011, at 10:18, Dane Trethowan wrote: Well you're the one who brought up the points which I replied to . On 06/10/2011, at 8:14 PM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > yes, well let's not take this any further on list as it's off topic now because you're no longer referring to Apple. :) > > Lynne > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: or at the public Mail Archive: . Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From chojiro1990 at gmail.com Thu Oct 6 11:02:27 2011 From: chojiro1990 at gmail.com (Nicolai Svendsen) Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2011 12:02:27 +0200 Subject: thoughts on iPhone 4S In-Reply-To: <79972330-3E6D-4B9A-BEBA-B5E3B19ADE80@computing.dcu.ie> References: <7F8843B0-7E29-44A1-B6D3-E4402EA82B53@gmail.com> <79972330-3E6D-4B9A-BEBA-B5E3B19ADE80@computing.dcu.ie> Message-ID: Hi D?nal It's probably going to run me close to $1200 over here, but buyinng from Germany I may be able to cut it down significantly. That's just for the 16GB model. I may very well go with the same storage as my 3GS. Regards, Nic On Oct 6, 2011, at 11:24 AM, D?nal Fitzpatrick wrote: > Nick, > > You getting yours sim-free? Any idea how much? > > Regarding your other points, I agree 100%. > > D?nal > On 6 Oct 2011, at 10:19, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: > >> Hi >> >> !From what I remember from having an Apple headset with remote, holding down the play/pause button would trigger Voice Control. That functionality isn't going to be stripped out, so when that voice assistant launches, you can use it for the very same. >> >> Secondly, iOS 5 probably isn't going to run horribly fast on the 3GS, compared to the iPhone 4. For those running the 3GS, the 4S is definitely worth upgrading to because of the faster speed. If you already have the iPhone 4, while the 4S is supposedly twice as fast it'd probably still run fine, and if you don't need the camera or Siri then you might as well stick with what you have. >> >> Battery life hasn't been made worse because of the extra power, but reportedly better according to the event. More power doesn't necessarily equal sacrificing battery life whatsoever. While Apple can sometimes be a bit generous with their statistics, it's not entirely untrue that you can optimize battery life and pack more processing power into a device with reasonably good results if the chip itself is capable of reducing battery consumption. >> >> In any case, I'll be getting mine from Germany. Everything is hugely expensive here because of various tax rates as opposed to Germany, and Germany is getting it on the 14th. The huge benefit to the touchscreen devices is that, since the keyboard is intelligent, changing the keyboard layout gives you the keys that you need so you can potentially buy the phone from any country. >> >> Regards, >> Nic >> On Oct 6, 2011, at 7:33 AM, william lomas wrote: >> >>> hi what do people here think then of the iPhone 4s? anyone going to upgrade from the 4 if they have one? >>> to only get voice recognition a faster supposedly processor which will make battery life worse in my view these benchmarks are nothing to go buy and an eight mp camera when we have no OCR for it isn't worth it. >>> THe fact that the rest of IOS five can run well on a 3gs, or a 4, is testament to it but i would like siri on my phone why should i spend more money just to ge that? >>> all apple want is money I going to go i think with android next year >>> my upgrade is due next year not this. >>> if we can though use the apple remote and mike headphones to press a button and say, text lyn to say i am running late as we on the road that's great but if have to stop, take phone out pocket hold down a button and speak then put phone away and continue on route it is silly but i do want a faster way to type as texting take forever in my view on an ios device, but what are peoples thoughts? >>> maybe i am missing reasons to upgrade but the price is too high apple need to live in the real world we are in hard times, who wants to spend money on a phone that hardly offers anything new? >>> >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>> >>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>> . >>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > D?nal Fitzpatrick > dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie > > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From james.austin at mac-access.net Thu Oct 6 11:04:19 2011 From: james.austin at mac-access.net (James AUSTIN) Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2011 11:04:19 +0100 Subject: Steve Jobs; Let Us Never Forget! In-Reply-To: <7CFF6B93-A81E-43BF-94B3-F7775B7F903D@mac-access.net> References: <4D2BB89A-1AA2-4607-AB50-4312040FE8EA@mac-access.net> <7CFF6B93-A81E-43BF-94B3-F7775B7F903D@mac-access.net> Message-ID: You said it all so eloquently :) On 6 Oct 2011, at 04:32, Lyn & Twinny wrote: > I was very sad to read the news too. Lynne, you are so right, we would all be stuck in the Microsoft world and paying out the nose had Steve Jobs not done everything he has done. All I can say is a big, big thank you to Steve Jobs. He will be sorely missed and forever remembered. May his soul rest in peace, yes, certainly in a much better world than this one. > > life is very precious, and we should all try to live it to the full and above all, show respect to others, whether we like them or not. Show some gratitude to those who go out of their way to help, be good to others and help each other instead of ignoring and spreading hatred around. > > Rest in peace Steve Jobs and thank you ever so much. > > Lyn, Canelle & Epi > > On Oct 6, 2011, at 5:11 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > >> Hello everybody >> >> It was with the greatest of regret that Gordon and I learned of the passing away of Steve Jobs yesterday. Steve will long be remembered I think by each and every one of us on this list; as, without his efforts, his vision and his determination, we would none of us be in the position we are today. Whether we use Macs, iOS devices or both, we are all beneficiaries of Steve's work. Without it we'd all be stuck in the Microsoft net and all be paying through the nose for what we often take for granted. >> >> Steve, whether we knew him personally or not, has had a huge impact upon the lives of millions upon millions of people around the globe. Were it not for him, this list would not exist. The very fact that the servers powering the group are running OSX is testimony to his efforts and I am sure we are all deeply grateful for them. >> >> May Steve rest in peace in a better place than this world; and may his legacy continue to speak for him many years from now. >> >> Lynne >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > ********** > You can contact me in the following ways: > email: > helianthe at mac-access.net > msn: > lyn.bordeaux33 at gmail.com > skype: > keanemaniac > facebook: > www.facebook.com/lyn.bordeaux33 > I am now also on twitter: > www.twitter.com/mickymac2010 > Please say who you are if asking to share details, thank you. > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie Thu Oct 6 11:04:59 2011 From: dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie (=?iso-8859-1?Q?D=F3nal_Fitzpatrick?=) Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2011 11:04:59 +0100 Subject: thoughts on iPhone 4S In-Reply-To: References: <7F8843B0-7E29-44A1-B6D3-E4402EA82B53@gmail.com> <79972330-3E6D-4B9A-BEBA-B5E3B19ADE80@computing.dcu.ie> Message-ID: <622B50AF-E9B2-4C4D-B71A-790CE100EA04@computing.dcu.ie> so about 900?? That's extortionate! On 6 Oct 2011, at 11:02, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: > Hi D?nal > > It's probably going to run me close to $1200 over here, but buyinng from Germany I may be able to cut it down significantly. That's just for the 16GB model. > > I may very well go with the same storage as my 3GS. > > Regards, > Nic > On Oct 6, 2011, at 11:24 AM, D?nal Fitzpatrick wrote: > >> Nick, >> >> You getting yours sim-free? Any idea how much? >> >> Regarding your other points, I agree 100%. >> >> D?nal >> On 6 Oct 2011, at 10:19, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: >> >>> Hi >>> >>> !From what I remember from having an Apple headset with remote, holding down the play/pause button would trigger Voice Control. That functionality isn't going to be stripped out, so when that voice assistant launches, you can use it for the very same. >>> >>> Secondly, iOS 5 probably isn't going to run horribly fast on the 3GS, compared to the iPhone 4. For those running the 3GS, the 4S is definitely worth upgrading to because of the faster speed. If you already have the iPhone 4, while the 4S is supposedly twice as fast it'd probably still run fine, and if you don't need the camera or Siri then you might as well stick with what you have. >>> >>> Battery life hasn't been made worse because of the extra power, but reportedly better according to the event. More power doesn't necessarily equal sacrificing battery life whatsoever. While Apple can sometimes be a bit generous with their statistics, it's not entirely untrue that you can optimize battery life and pack more processing power into a device with reasonably good results if the chip itself is capable of reducing battery consumption. >>> >>> In any case, I'll be getting mine from Germany. Everything is hugely expensive here because of various tax rates as opposed to Germany, and Germany is getting it on the 14th. The huge benefit to the touchscreen devices is that, since the keyboard is intelligent, changing the keyboard layout gives you the keys that you need so you can potentially buy the phone from any country. >>> >>> Regards, >>> Nic >>> On Oct 6, 2011, at 7:33 AM, william lomas wrote: >>> >>>> hi what do people here think then of the iPhone 4s? anyone going to upgrade from the 4 if they have one? >>>> to only get voice recognition a faster supposedly processor which will make battery life worse in my view these benchmarks are nothing to go buy and an eight mp camera when we have no OCR for it isn't worth it. >>>> THe fact that the rest of IOS five can run well on a 3gs, or a 4, is testament to it but i would like siri on my phone why should i spend more money just to ge that? >>>> all apple want is money I going to go i think with android next year >>>> my upgrade is due next year not this. >>>> if we can though use the apple remote and mike headphones to press a button and say, text lyn to say i am running late as we on the road that's great but if have to stop, take phone out pocket hold down a button and speak then put phone away and continue on route it is silly but i do want a faster way to type as texting take forever in my view on an ios device, but what are peoples thoughts? >>>> maybe i am missing reasons to upgrade but the price is too high apple need to live in the real world we are in hard times, who wants to spend money on a phone that hardly offers anything new? >>>> >>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>>> >>>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>>> . >>>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>>> >>>> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>> >>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>> >>> >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>> >>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>> . >>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> D?nal Fitzpatrick >> dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie >> >> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > D?nal Fitzpatrick dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie From dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie Thu Oct 6 11:07:04 2011 From: dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie (=?iso-8859-1?Q?D=F3nal_Fitzpatrick?=) Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2011 11:07:04 +0100 Subject: preview Plist file. Message-ID: <546D3F9A-53F8-48C9-AFE9-58AE28DFB341@computing.dcu.ie> Does anyone know its location and name under Lion? Cheers. D?nal Fitzpatrick dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie From jonathan.tyrer at gmail.com Thu Oct 6 11:11:59 2011 From: jonathan.tyrer at gmail.com (Jonathan Tyrer) Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2011 11:11:59 +0100 Subject: I think I already have iPhone 4S! Message-ID: I just held down my home button and said, "call John Smith." The iPone replied, "John Smith, home or work?" JT From marcy.weinberg1 at gmail.com Thu Oct 6 11:16:52 2011 From: marcy.weinberg1 at gmail.com (Marcy Weinberg) Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2011 06:16:52 -0400 Subject: I think I already have iPhone 4S! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <86BDB445-82D5-46AA-8262-670C535ADD4D@gmail.com> What you have is called voice control, which is on all 3GS and iPhone 4 models. On Oct 6, 2011, at 6:11 AM, Jonathan Tyrer wrote: I just held down my home button and said, "call John Smith." The iPone replied, "John Smith, home or work?" JT <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: or at the public Mail Archive: . Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: -- Marcy marcy.weinberg1 at gmail.com From moriond at mac.com Thu Oct 6 11:21:08 2011 From: moriond at mac.com (Esther) Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2011 00:21:08 -1000 Subject: preview Plist file. In-Reply-To: <546D3F9A-53F8-48C9-AFE9-58AE28DFB341@computing.dcu.ie> References: <546D3F9A-53F8-48C9-AFE9-58AE28DFB341@computing.dcu.ie> Message-ID: <56485E1C-DAE5-4C78-94F0-4C5B1898D2A8@mac.com> Hi D?nal, Did they change this in Lion? Isn't the file still named "com.apple.Preview.plist" and located in the Library/Preferences folder of your user account? On Oct 6, 2011, at 00:07, D?nal Fitzpatrick wrote: > Does anyone know its location and name under Lion? > > Cheers. > D?nal Fitzpatrick > dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie > From chojiro1990 at gmail.com Thu Oct 6 11:18:23 2011 From: chojiro1990 at gmail.com (Nicolai Svendsen) Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2011 12:18:23 +0200 Subject: thoughts on iPhone 4S In-Reply-To: <622B50AF-E9B2-4C4D-B71A-790CE100EA04@computing.dcu.ie> References: <7F8843B0-7E29-44A1-B6D3-E4402EA82B53@gmail.com> <79972330-3E6D-4B9A-BEBA-B5E3B19ADE80@computing.dcu.ie> <622B50AF-E9B2-4C4D-B71A-790CE100EA04@computing.dcu.ie> Message-ID: <51E2FD0B-B20A-4B96-A9BE-6C1CF3DCA1FA@gmail.com> Hi, Last time I checked, that was about the right price. Extortionate, yes, but blame all our taxes that we have when we buy a product. It may not be the same for you, though. In fact, it's probably not. I always get surprised every time I see a cheap product elsewhere which breaks a bank where I live. It'll include the iPhone 4S, too, I'm sure. Regardless I'll be looking forward to getting it. Regards, Nic On Oct 6, 2011, at 12:04 PM, D?nal Fitzpatrick wrote: > so about 900?? That's extortionate! > On 6 Oct 2011, at 11:02, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: > >> Hi D?nal >> >> It's probably going to run me close to $1200 over here, but buyinng from Germany I may be able to cut it down significantly. That's just for the 16GB model. >> >> I may very well go with the same storage as my 3GS. >> >> Regards, >> Nic >> On Oct 6, 2011, at 11:24 AM, D?nal Fitzpatrick wrote: >> >>> Nick, >>> >>> You getting yours sim-free? Any idea how much? >>> >>> Regarding your other points, I agree 100%. >>> >>> D?nal >>> On 6 Oct 2011, at 10:19, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: >>> >>>> Hi >>>> >>>> !From what I remember from having an Apple headset with remote, holding down the play/pause button would trigger Voice Control. That functionality isn't going to be stripped out, so when that voice assistant launches, you can use it for the very same. >>>> >>>> Secondly, iOS 5 probably isn't going to run horribly fast on the 3GS, compared to the iPhone 4. For those running the 3GS, the 4S is definitely worth upgrading to because of the faster speed. If you already have the iPhone 4, while the 4S is supposedly twice as fast it'd probably still run fine, and if you don't need the camera or Siri then you might as well stick with what you have. >>>> >>>> Battery life hasn't been made worse because of the extra power, but reportedly better according to the event. More power doesn't necessarily equal sacrificing battery life whatsoever. While Apple can sometimes be a bit generous with their statistics, it's not entirely untrue that you can optimize battery life and pack more processing power into a device with reasonably good results if the chip itself is capable of reducing battery consumption. >>>> >>>> In any case, I'll be getting mine from Germany. Everything is hugely expensive here because of various tax rates as opposed to Germany, and Germany is getting it on the 14th. The huge benefit to the touchscreen devices is that, since the keyboard is intelligent, changing the keyboard layout gives you the keys that you need so you can potentially buy the phone from any country. >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> Nic >>>> On Oct 6, 2011, at 7:33 AM, william lomas wrote: >>>> >>>>> hi what do people here think then of the iPhone 4s? anyone going to upgrade from the 4 if they have one? >>>>> to only get voice recognition a faster supposedly processor which will make battery life worse in my view these benchmarks are nothing to go buy and an eight mp camera when we have no OCR for it isn't worth it. >>>>> THe fact that the rest of IOS five can run well on a 3gs, or a 4, is testament to it but i would like siri on my phone why should i spend more money just to ge that? >>>>> all apple want is money I going to go i think with android next year >>>>> my upgrade is due next year not this. >>>>> if we can though use the apple remote and mike headphones to press a button and say, text lyn to say i am running late as we on the road that's great but if have to stop, take phone out pocket hold down a button and speak then put phone away and continue on route it is silly but i do want a faster way to type as texting take forever in my view on an ios device, but what are peoples thoughts? >>>>> maybe i am missing reasons to upgrade but the price is too high apple need to live in the real world we are in hard times, who wants to spend money on a phone that hardly offers anything new? >>>>> >>>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>>> >>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>> >>>>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>>>> >>>>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>>>> . >>>>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>>> >>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>>> >>>> >>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>>> >>>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>>> . >>>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>>> >>>> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>> >>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>> >>> >>> D?nal Fitzpatrick >>> dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie >>> >>> >>> >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>> >>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>> . >>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > D?nal Fitzpatrick > dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie > > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie Thu Oct 6 11:19:57 2011 From: dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie (=?iso-8859-1?Q?D=F3nal_Fitzpatrick?=) Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2011 11:19:57 +0100 Subject: thoughts on iPhone 4S In-Reply-To: <51E2FD0B-B20A-4B96-A9BE-6C1CF3DCA1FA@gmail.com> References: <7F8843B0-7E29-44A1-B6D3-E4402EA82B53@gmail.com> <79972330-3E6D-4B9A-BEBA-B5E3B19ADE80@computing.dcu.ie> <622B50AF-E9B2-4C4D-B71A-790CE100EA04@computing.dcu.ie> <51E2FD0B-B20A-4B96-A9BE-6C1CF3DCA1FA@gmail.com> Message-ID: Nick, Given the amount of money we owe the rest of the planet, I can guarantee you it'll be almost as expensive. Cheers. On 6 Oct 2011, at 11:18, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: > Hi, > > Last time I checked, that was about the right price. Extortionate, yes, but blame all our taxes that we have when we buy a product. > > It may not be the same for you, though. In fact, it's probably not. I always get surprised every time I see a cheap product elsewhere which breaks a bank where I live. > > It'll include the iPhone 4S, too, I'm sure. Regardless I'll be looking forward to getting it. > > Regards, > Nic > On Oct 6, 2011, at 12:04 PM, D?nal Fitzpatrick wrote: > >> so about 900?? That's extortionate! >> On 6 Oct 2011, at 11:02, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: >> >>> Hi D?nal >>> >>> It's probably going to run me close to $1200 over here, but buyinng from Germany I may be able to cut it down significantly. That's just for the 16GB model. >>> >>> I may very well go with the same storage as my 3GS. >>> >>> Regards, >>> Nic >>> On Oct 6, 2011, at 11:24 AM, D?nal Fitzpatrick wrote: >>> >>>> Nick, >>>> >>>> You getting yours sim-free? Any idea how much? >>>> >>>> Regarding your other points, I agree 100%. >>>> >>>> D?nal >>>> On 6 Oct 2011, at 10:19, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi >>>>> >>>>> !From what I remember from having an Apple headset with remote, holding down the play/pause button would trigger Voice Control. That functionality isn't going to be stripped out, so when that voice assistant launches, you can use it for the very same. >>>>> >>>>> Secondly, iOS 5 probably isn't going to run horribly fast on the 3GS, compared to the iPhone 4. For those running the 3GS, the 4S is definitely worth upgrading to because of the faster speed. If you already have the iPhone 4, while the 4S is supposedly twice as fast it'd probably still run fine, and if you don't need the camera or Siri then you might as well stick with what you have. >>>>> >>>>> Battery life hasn't been made worse because of the extra power, but reportedly better according to the event. More power doesn't necessarily equal sacrificing battery life whatsoever. While Apple can sometimes be a bit generous with their statistics, it's not entirely untrue that you can optimize battery life and pack more processing power into a device with reasonably good results if the chip itself is capable of reducing battery consumption. >>>>> >>>>> In any case, I'll be getting mine from Germany. Everything is hugely expensive here because of various tax rates as opposed to Germany, and Germany is getting it on the 14th. The huge benefit to the touchscreen devices is that, since the keyboard is intelligent, changing the keyboard layout gives you the keys that you need so you can potentially buy the phone from any country. >>>>> >>>>> Regards, >>>>> Nic >>>>> On Oct 6, 2011, at 7:33 AM, william lomas wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> hi what do people here think then of the iPhone 4s? anyone going to upgrade from the 4 if they have one? >>>>>> to only get voice recognition a faster supposedly processor which will make battery life worse in my view these benchmarks are nothing to go buy and an eight mp camera when we have no OCR for it isn't worth it. >>>>>> THe fact that the rest of IOS five can run well on a 3gs, or a 4, is testament to it but i would like siri on my phone why should i spend more money just to ge that? >>>>>> all apple want is money I going to go i think with android next year >>>>>> my upgrade is due next year not this. >>>>>> if we can though use the apple remote and mike headphones to press a button and say, text lyn to say i am running late as we on the road that's great but if have to stop, take phone out pocket hold down a button and speak then put phone away and continue on route it is silly but i do want a faster way to type as texting take forever in my view on an ios device, but what are peoples thoughts? >>>>>> maybe i am missing reasons to upgrade but the price is too high apple need to live in the real world we are in hard times, who wants to spend money on a phone that hardly offers anything new? >>>>>> >>>>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>>>> >>>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>>> >>>>>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>>>>> >>>>>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>>>>> . >>>>>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>>>> >>>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>>> >>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>> >>>>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>>>> >>>>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>>>> . >>>>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>>> >>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>>> >>>> >>>> D?nal Fitzpatrick >>>> dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>>> >>>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>>> . >>>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>>> >>>> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>> >>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>> >>> >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>> >>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>> . >>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> D?nal Fitzpatrick >> dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie >> >> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > D?nal Fitzpatrick dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie From dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie Thu Oct 6 11:20:08 2011 From: dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie (=?iso-8859-1?Q?D=F3nal_Fitzpatrick?=) Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2011 11:20:08 +0100 Subject: preview Plist file. In-Reply-To: <56485E1C-DAE5-4C78-94F0-4C5B1898D2A8@mac.com> References: <546D3F9A-53F8-48C9-AFE9-58AE28DFB341@computing.dcu.ie> <56485E1C-DAE5-4C78-94F0-4C5B1898D2A8@mac.com> Message-ID: doesn't seem to be Esther no. On 6 Oct 2011, at 11:21, Esther wrote: > Hi D?nal, > > Did they change this in Lion? Isn't the file still named "com.apple.Preview.plist" and located in the Library/Preferences folder of your user account? > > On Oct 6, 2011, at 00:07, D?nal Fitzpatrick wrote: > >> Does anyone know its location and name under Lion? >> >> Cheers. >> D?nal Fitzpatrick >> dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > D?nal Fitzpatrick dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie From james.austin at mac-access.net Thu Oct 6 11:23:00 2011 From: james.austin at mac-access.net (James AUSTIN) Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2011 11:23:00 +0100 Subject: preview Plist file. In-Reply-To: References: <546D3F9A-53F8-48C9-AFE9-58AE28DFB341@computing.dcu.ie> <56485E1C-DAE5-4C78-94F0-4C5B1898D2A8@mac.com> Message-ID: Hi Donal and Esther, There are indeed plist files for Preview in the Library folder, but not the one that Donal is looking for. Donal, have you tried a system-wide search for the file? If it does not exist, I wonder if the name has been changed. Best James On 6 Oct 2011, at 11:20, D?nal Fitzpatrick wrote: > doesn't seem to be Esther no. > On 6 Oct 2011, at 11:21, Esther wrote: > >> Hi D?nal, >> >> Did they change this in Lion? Isn't the file still named "com.apple.Preview.plist" and located in the Library/Preferences folder of your user account? >> >> On Oct 6, 2011, at 00:07, D?nal Fitzpatrick wrote: >> >>> Does anyone know its location and name under Lion? >>> >>> Cheers. >>> D?nal Fitzpatrick >>> dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie >>> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > D?nal Fitzpatrick > dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie > > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie Thu Oct 6 11:24:52 2011 From: dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie (=?iso-8859-1?Q?D=F3nal_Fitzpatrick?=) Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2011 11:24:52 +0100 Subject: preview Plist file. In-Reply-To: References: <546D3F9A-53F8-48C9-AFE9-58AE28DFB341@computing.dcu.ie> <56485E1C-DAE5-4C78-94F0-4C5B1898D2A8@mac.com> Message-ID: I did indeed James but no joy. On 6 Oct 2011, at 11:23, James AUSTIN wrote: > Hi Donal and Esther, > > There are indeed plist files for Preview in the Library folder, but not the one that Donal is looking for. Donal, have you tried a system-wide search for the file? If it does not exist, I wonder if the name has been changed. > > Best > James > On 6 Oct 2011, at 11:20, D?nal Fitzpatrick wrote: > >> doesn't seem to be Esther no. >> On 6 Oct 2011, at 11:21, Esther wrote: >> >>> Hi D?nal, >>> >>> Did they change this in Lion? Isn't the file still named "com.apple.Preview.plist" and located in the Library/Preferences folder of your user account? >>> >>> On Oct 6, 2011, at 00:07, D?nal Fitzpatrick wrote: >>> >>>> Does anyone know its location and name under Lion? >>>> >>>> Cheers. >>>> D?nal Fitzpatrick >>>> dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie >>>> >>> >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>> >>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>> . >>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> D?nal Fitzpatrick >> dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie >> >> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > D?nal Fitzpatrick dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie From moriond at mac.com Thu Oct 6 11:43:14 2011 From: moriond at mac.com (Esther) Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2011 00:43:14 -1000 Subject: preview Plist file. In-Reply-To: References: <546D3F9A-53F8-48C9-AFE9-58AE28DFB341@computing.dcu.ie> <56485E1C-DAE5-4C78-94F0-4C5B1898D2A8@mac.com> Message-ID: Hi D?nal, You could try doing the following: quit the Preview app. In Finder, use Command-Shift-G to navigate to the Library/Preferences folder of your home directory. For example, use tilde to indicate your home directory and type: ~/Library/Preferences for the path to this folder. Choose list view (Command+2) for FInder. Then navigate to the column for date modified and sort on this column (with VO-Shift-Backslash). Open Preview, then Command-tab back to Finder. Check which folder was last modified in your ~/Library/Preferences folder. Hopefully, it will be the one associated with Preview. I used this method to identify the preference files associated with new language setups. It had an unlikely name of com.apple.HIToolbox.plist, and it turned out that this stood for "Human Interface Toolbox". I also used this method to determine which plist files I should copy to a local backup folder -- I only wanted to keep copies of the most frequently used ones. You could also just send a query to accessibility at apple.com, but of course that would be cheating . HTH. Cheers, Esther On Oct 6, 2011, at 00:24, D?nal Fitzpatrick wrote: > I did indeed James but no joy. > On 6 Oct 2011, at 11:23, James AUSTIN wrote: > >> Hi Donal and Esther, >> >> There are indeed plist files for Preview in the Library folder, but not the one that Donal is looking for. Donal, have you tried a system-wide search for the file? If it does not exist, I wonder if the name has been changed. >> >> Best >> James >> On 6 Oct 2011, at 11:20, D?nal Fitzpatrick wrote: >> >>> doesn't seem to be Esther no. >>> On 6 Oct 2011, at 11:21, Esther wrote: >>> >>>> Hi D?nal, >>>> >>>> Did they change this in Lion? Isn't the file still named "com.apple.Preview.plist" and located in the Library/Preferences folder of your user account? >>>> >>>> On Oct 6, 2011, at 00:07, D?nal Fitzpatrick wrote: >>>> >>>>> Does anyone know its location and name under Lion? >>>>> >>>>> Cheers. >>>>> D?nal Fitzpatrick >>>>> dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie >>>>> From dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie Thu Oct 6 11:43:54 2011 From: dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie (=?iso-8859-1?Q?D=F3nal_Fitzpatrick?=) Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2011 11:43:54 +0100 Subject: preview Plist file. In-Reply-To: References: <546D3F9A-53F8-48C9-AFE9-58AE28DFB341@computing.dcu.ie> <56485E1C-DAE5-4C78-94F0-4C5B1898D2A8@mac.com> Message-ID: HI Esther, Lovely idea. I did cheat, but the apple accessibility folks haven't responded. :) D?nal On 6 Oct 2011, at 11:43, Esther wrote: > Hi D?nal, > > You could try doing the following: quit the Preview app. In Finder, use Command-Shift-G to navigate to the Library/Preferences folder of your home directory. For example, use tilde to indicate your home directory and type: > ~/Library/Preferences > for the path to this folder. Choose list view (Command+2) for FInder. Then navigate to the column for date modified and sort on this column (with VO-Shift-Backslash). Open Preview, then Command-tab back to Finder. Check which folder was last modified in your ~/Library/Preferences folder. Hopefully, it will be the one associated with Preview. > > I used this method to identify the preference files associated with new language setups. It had an unlikely name of com.apple.HIToolbox.plist, and it turned out that this stood for "Human Interface Toolbox". I also used this method to determine which plist files I should copy to a local backup folder -- I only wanted to keep copies of the most frequently used ones. You could also just send a query to accessibility at apple.com, but of course that would be cheating . > > HTH. Cheers, > > Esther > > On Oct 6, 2011, at 00:24, D?nal Fitzpatrick wrote: > >> I did indeed James but no joy. >> On 6 Oct 2011, at 11:23, James AUSTIN wrote: >> >>> Hi Donal and Esther, >>> >>> There are indeed plist files for Preview in the Library folder, but not the one that Donal is looking for. Donal, have you tried a system-wide search for the file? If it does not exist, I wonder if the name has been changed. >>> >>> Best >>> James >>> On 6 Oct 2011, at 11:20, D?nal Fitzpatrick wrote: >>> >>>> doesn't seem to be Esther no. >>>> On 6 Oct 2011, at 11:21, Esther wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi D?nal, >>>>> >>>>> Did they change this in Lion? Isn't the file still named "com.apple.Preview.plist" and located in the Library/Preferences folder of your user account? >>>>> >>>>> On Oct 6, 2011, at 00:07, D?nal Fitzpatrick wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Does anyone know its location and name under Lion? >>>>>> >>>>>> Cheers. >>>>>> D?nal Fitzpatrick >>>>>> dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie >>>>>> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > D?nal Fitzpatrick dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie From annieskovnielsen at gmail.com Thu Oct 6 13:01:21 2011 From: annieskovnielsen at gmail.com (Annie Skov Nielsen) Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2011 14:01:21 +0200 Subject: thoughts on iPhone 4S In-Reply-To: <51E2FD0B-B20A-4B96-A9BE-6C1CF3DCA1FA@gmail.com> References: <7F8843B0-7E29-44A1-B6D3-E4402EA82B53@gmail.com> <79972330-3E6D-4B9A-BEBA-B5E3B19ADE80@computing.dcu.ie> <622B50AF-E9B2-4C4D-B71A-790CE100EA04@computing.dcu.ie> <51E2FD0B-B20A-4B96-A9BE-6C1CF3DCA1FA@gmail.com> Message-ID: <95C62404-775D-4E15-A8ED-BE8E9D3A3BB4@gmail.com> Hi. I also think I will get the IPhone 4 s. It will handle braille much faster like the IPad. Best regards Annie.Den Oct 6, 2011 kl. 12:18 PM skrev Nicolai Svendsen: > Hi, > > Last time I checked, that was about the right price. Extortionate, yes, but blame all our taxes that we have when we buy a product. > > It may not be the same for you, though. In fact, it's probably not. I always get surprised every time I see a cheap product elsewhere which breaks a bank where I live. > > It'll include the iPhone 4S, too, I'm sure. Regardless I'll be looking forward to getting it. > > Regards, > Nic > On Oct 6, 2011, at 12:04 PM, D?nal Fitzpatrick wrote: > >> so about 900?? That's extortionate! >> On 6 Oct 2011, at 11:02, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: >> >>> Hi D?nal >>> >>> It's probably going to run me close to $1200 over here, but buyinng from Germany I may be able to cut it down significantly. That's just for the 16GB model. >>> >>> I may very well go with the same storage as my 3GS. >>> >>> Regards, >>> Nic >>> On Oct 6, 2011, at 11:24 AM, D?nal Fitzpatrick wrote: >>> >>>> Nick, >>>> >>>> You getting yours sim-free? Any idea how much? >>>> >>>> Regarding your other points, I agree 100%. >>>> >>>> D?nal >>>> On 6 Oct 2011, at 10:19, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi >>>>> >>>>> !From what I remember from having an Apple headset with remote, holding down the play/pause button would trigger Voice Control. That functionality isn't going to be stripped out, so when that voice assistant launches, you can use it for the very same. >>>>> >>>>> Secondly, iOS 5 probably isn't going to run horribly fast on the 3GS, compared to the iPhone 4. For those running the 3GS, the 4S is definitely worth upgrading to because of the faster speed. If you already have the iPhone 4, while the 4S is supposedly twice as fast it'd probably still run fine, and if you don't need the camera or Siri then you might as well stick with what you have. >>>>> >>>>> Battery life hasn't been made worse because of the extra power, but reportedly better according to the event. More power doesn't necessarily equal sacrificing battery life whatsoever. While Apple can sometimes be a bit generous with their statistics, it's not entirely untrue that you can optimize battery life and pack more processing power into a device with reasonably good results if the chip itself is capable of reducing battery consumption. >>>>> >>>>> In any case, I'll be getting mine from Germany. Everything is hugely expensive here because of various tax rates as opposed to Germany, and Germany is getting it on the 14th. The huge benefit to the touchscreen devices is that, since the keyboard is intelligent, changing the keyboard layout gives you the keys that you need so you can potentially buy the phone from any country. >>>>> >>>>> Regards, >>>>> Nic >>>>> On Oct 6, 2011, at 7:33 AM, william lomas wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> hi what do people here think then of the iPhone 4s? anyone going to upgrade from the 4 if they have one? >>>>>> to only get voice recognition a faster supposedly processor which will make battery life worse in my view these benchmarks are nothing to go buy and an eight mp camera when we have no OCR for it isn't worth it. >>>>>> THe fact that the rest of IOS five can run well on a 3gs, or a 4, is testament to it but i would like siri on my phone why should i spend more money just to ge that? >>>>>> all apple want is money I going to go i think with android next year >>>>>> my upgrade is due next year not this. >>>>>> if we can though use the apple remote and mike headphones to press a button and say, text lyn to say i am running late as we on the road that's great but if have to stop, take phone out pocket hold down a button and speak then put phone away and continue on route it is silly but i do want a faster way to type as texting take forever in my view on an ios device, but what are peoples thoughts? >>>>>> maybe i am missing reasons to upgrade but the price is too high apple need to live in the real world we are in hard times, who wants to spend money on a phone that hardly offers anything new? >>>>>> >>>>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>>>> >>>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>>> >>>>>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>>>>> >>>>>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>>>>> . >>>>>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>>>> >>>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>>> >>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>> >>>>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>>>> >>>>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>>>> . >>>>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>>> >>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>>> >>>> >>>> D?nal Fitzpatrick >>>> dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>>> >>>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>>> . >>>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>>> >>>> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>> >>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>> >>> >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>> >>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>> . >>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> D?nal Fitzpatrick >> dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie >> >> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From orin8722 at gmail.com Thu Oct 6 15:14:46 2011 From: orin8722 at gmail.com (Orin) Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2011 10:14:46 -0400 Subject: thoughts on iPhone 4S In-Reply-To: <95C62404-775D-4E15-A8ED-BE8E9D3A3BB4@gmail.com> References: <7F8843B0-7E29-44A1-B6D3-E4402EA82B53@gmail.com> <79972330-3E6D-4B9A-BEBA-B5E3B19ADE80@computing.dcu.ie> <622B50AF-E9B2-4C4D-B71A-790CE100EA04@computing.dcu.ie> <51E2FD0B-B20A-4B96-A9BE-6C1CF3DCA1FA@gmail.com> <95C62404-775D-4E15-A8ED-BE8E9D3A3BB4@gmail.com> Message-ID: <47F11242-D27C-4956-9594-B033A764A291@gmail.com> I'm getting the iPhone 4S because one, it's the only one the provider I'm going for is selling, and two, I need an accessible phone. While I'm annoyed that the iPhone doesn't have a slide out keyboard, they would have to make the phone bigger for that and I like it's current size. Orin orin8722 at gmail.com Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/orinks Skype: orin1112 On Oct 6, 2011, at 8:01 AM, Annie Skov Nielsen wrote: > Hi. > > I also think I will get the IPhone 4 s. > > It will handle braille much faster like the IPad. > > > Best regards Annie.Den Oct 6, 2011 kl. 12:18 PM skrev Nicolai Svendsen: > >> Hi, >> >> Last time I checked, that was about the right price. Extortionate, yes, but blame all our taxes that we have when we buy a product. >> >> It may not be the same for you, though. In fact, it's probably not. I always get surprised every time I see a cheap product elsewhere which breaks a bank where I live. >> >> It'll include the iPhone 4S, too, I'm sure. Regardless I'll be looking forward to getting it. >> >> Regards, >> Nic >> On Oct 6, 2011, at 12:04 PM, D?nal Fitzpatrick wrote: >> >>> so about 900?? That's extortionate! >>> On 6 Oct 2011, at 11:02, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: >>> >>>> Hi D?nal >>>> >>>> It's probably going to run me close to $1200 over here, but buyinng from Germany I may be able to cut it down significantly. That's just for the 16GB model. >>>> >>>> I may very well go with the same storage as my 3GS. >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> Nic >>>> On Oct 6, 2011, at 11:24 AM, D?nal Fitzpatrick wrote: >>>> >>>>> Nick, >>>>> >>>>> You getting yours sim-free? Any idea how much? >>>>> >>>>> Regarding your other points, I agree 100%. >>>>> >>>>> D?nal >>>>> On 6 Oct 2011, at 10:19, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi >>>>>> >>>>>> !From what I remember from having an Apple headset with remote, holding down the play/pause button would trigger Voice Control. That functionality isn't going to be stripped out, so when that voice assistant launches, you can use it for the very same. >>>>>> >>>>>> Secondly, iOS 5 probably isn't going to run horribly fast on the 3GS, compared to the iPhone 4. For those running the 3GS, the 4S is definitely worth upgrading to because of the faster speed. If you already have the iPhone 4, while the 4S is supposedly twice as fast it'd probably still run fine, and if you don't need the camera or Siri then you might as well stick with what you have. >>>>>> >>>>>> Battery life hasn't been made worse because of the extra power, but reportedly better according to the event. More power doesn't necessarily equal sacrificing battery life whatsoever. While Apple can sometimes be a bit generous with their statistics, it's not entirely untrue that you can optimize battery life and pack more processing power into a device with reasonably good results if the chip itself is capable of reducing battery consumption. >>>>>> >>>>>> In any case, I'll be getting mine from Germany. Everything is hugely expensive here because of various tax rates as opposed to Germany, and Germany is getting it on the 14th. The huge benefit to the touchscreen devices is that, since the keyboard is intelligent, changing the keyboard layout gives you the keys that you need so you can potentially buy the phone from any country. >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards, >>>>>> Nic >>>>>> On Oct 6, 2011, at 7:33 AM, william lomas wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> hi what do people here think then of the iPhone 4s? anyone going to upgrade from the 4 if they have one? >>>>>>> to only get voice recognition a faster supposedly processor which will make battery life worse in my view these benchmarks are nothing to go buy and an eight mp camera when we have no OCR for it isn't worth it. >>>>>>> THe fact that the rest of IOS five can run well on a 3gs, or a 4, is testament to it but i would like siri on my phone why should i spend more money just to ge that? >>>>>>> all apple want is money I going to go i think with android next year >>>>>>> my upgrade is due next year not this. >>>>>>> if we can though use the apple remote and mike headphones to press a button and say, text lyn to say i am running late as we on the road that's great but if have to stop, take phone out pocket hold down a button and speak then put phone away and continue on route it is silly but i do want a faster way to type as texting take forever in my view on an ios device, but what are peoples thoughts? >>>>>>> maybe i am missing reasons to upgrade but the price is too high apple need to live in the real world we are in hard times, who wants to spend money on a phone that hardly offers anything new? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>>>>>> . >>>>>>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>>>> >>>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>>> >>>>>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>>>>> >>>>>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>>>>> . >>>>>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>>>> >>>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> D?nal Fitzpatrick >>>>> dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>>> >>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>> >>>>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>>>> >>>>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>>>> . >>>>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>>> >>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>>> >>>> >>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>>> >>>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>>> . >>>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>>> >>>> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>> >>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>> >>> >>> D?nal Fitzpatrick >>> dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie >>> >>> >>> >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>> >>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>> . >>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From grtdane at internode.on.net Thu Oct 6 16:19:48 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2011 02:19:48 +1100 Subject: Updates for 1 Password for Mac Message-ID: <0000AB4B-1754-4012-8CC5-E24EC21C05FA@internode.on.net> Yep another update released yesterday with some noticible bug fixes, the developers are still working on accessibility problems with Voiceover and the Safari 1 Password extension but from this latest update you'll see that the problems are being gradually ironed out as the extension interface becomes more accessible thus user friendly to Voiceover users. From hopewell at hopewell.org.uk Thu Oct 6 18:15:32 2011 From: hopewell at hopewell.org.uk (Paul Hopewell) Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2011 18:15:32 +0100 Subject: Problem with Finder sort order Message-ID: <500534BA-8019-4F10-96E7-6713F1046047@hopewell.org.uk> Hello, I am running Lion 10.7.1. For a long time I have been using Finder in column view with arrange by name. this has always behaved as expected. Today some of my files and folders are not being displayed in the correct sort order. The display order seems pretty random and certainly not sorted by name. If I change to icon view or list view or cover flow view then they do display in the correct sort order. There just seems to be a problem with column view particularly in folders which contain a lot of files. Any ideas on anything I might have done to cause this, or is it an obscure Lion bug? I have tried rebooting a few times and cleaning up disk permissions using Cocktail but all to no effect. Best regards.... Paul Hopewell From d.griffith at btinternet.com Thu Oct 6 18:37:35 2011 From: d.griffith at btinternet.com (David Griffith) Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2011 18:37:35 +0100 Subject: Problem with Finder sort order In-Reply-To: <500534BA-8019-4F10-96E7-6713F1046047@hopewell.org.uk> References: <500534BA-8019-4F10-96E7-6713F1046047@hopewell.org.uk> Message-ID: <0205AEDF-22FB-4361-96E4-226D621C7AAD@btinternet.com> I had a problem a bit like this.. I am speaking from memory but I found that when I set the arrange by button in view preferences to none and the sort order to name the problem resolved itself. I do not quite still understand the difference between arrange and sort but this worked for me. David Griffith d.griffith at btinternet.com On 6 Oct 2011, at 18:15, Paul Hopewell wrote: > Hello, > I am running Lion 10.7.1. For a long time I have been using Finder in column view with arrange by name. this has always behaved as expected. > > Today some of my files and folders are not being displayed in the correct sort order. The display order seems pretty random and certainly not sorted by name. If I change to icon view or list view or cover flow view then they do display in the correct sort order. There just seems to be a problem with column view particularly in folders which contain a lot of files. > > Any ideas on anything I might have done to cause this, or is it an obscure Lion bug? I have tried rebooting a few times and cleaning up disk permissions using Cocktail but all to no effect. > Best regards.... > > Paul Hopewell > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From chris.hallsworth at techno-chat.net Thu Oct 6 19:24:19 2011 From: chris.hallsworth at techno-chat.net (chris hallsworth) Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2011 19:24:19 +0100 Subject: Extensive article on Steve Job's Life Message-ID: <4E8DF253.9030403@techno-chat.net> http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702304447804576410753210811910.html?mod=WSJ_Home_largeHeadline From hopewell at hopewell.org.uk Thu Oct 6 19:54:50 2011 From: hopewell at hopewell.org.uk (Paul Hopewell) Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2011 19:54:50 +0100 Subject: Problem with Finder sort order In-Reply-To: <0205AEDF-22FB-4361-96E4-226D621C7AAD@btinternet.com> References: <500534BA-8019-4F10-96E7-6713F1046047@hopewell.org.uk> <0205AEDF-22FB-4361-96E4-226D621C7AAD@btinternet.com> Message-ID: Hi David, Many thanks - that fixed the problem. When I looked at view options for column view the arrange by was set to Name and the sort by to size.did When I set the arrange by to None and the sort by to Name all worked as before. I too am now unclear about the difference between arrange by and sort by. Can anyone enlighten us? Best regards..... Paul Hopewell On 6 Oct 2011, at 18:37, David Griffith wrote: > I had a problem a bit like this.. I am speaking from memory but I found that when I set the arrange by button in view preferences to none and the sort order to name the problem resolved itself. I do not quite still understand the difference between arrange and sort but this worked for me. > > David Griffith > d.griffith at btinternet.com > > > > On 6 Oct 2011, at 18:15, Paul Hopewell wrote: > >> Hello, >> I am running Lion 10.7.1. For a long time I have been using Finder in column view with arrange by name. this has always behaved as expected. >> >> Today some of my files and folders are not being displayed in the correct sort order. The display order seems pretty random and certainly not sorted by name. If I change to icon view or list view or cover flow view then they do display in the correct sort order. There just seems to be a problem with column view particularly in folders which contain a lot of files. >> >> Any ideas on anything I might have done to cause this, or is it an obscure Lion bug? I have tried rebooting a few times and cleaning up disk permissions using Cocktail but all to no effect. >> Best regards.... >> >> Paul Hopewell >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > > From d.griffith at btinternet.com Thu Oct 6 20:14:17 2011 From: d.griffith at btinternet.com (David Griffith) Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2011 20:14:17 +0100 Subject: N typing echo in Open Office Message-ID: <0580EAA4-8DA5-4798-98FD-CB879A8C1F27@btinternet.com> When trying to experiment with Open office I can find no way of getting any typing echo on anything I type. If I use VO L the line I have typed is read out for me but this is very limited accessibility. Is this normal or is there a way to force Open Office to report key presses to Voiceover typing echo? David Griffith d.griffith at btinternet.com From support at mac-access.net Thu Oct 6 22:22:23 2011 From: support at mac-access.net (Gordon & Lynne) Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2011 22:22:23 +0100 Subject: Important List Configuration changes Coming Up; Please read@ Message-ID: The message's content type was not explicitly allowed From: Gordon & Lynne Subject: Important; Major List Re-configuration on the way; please read! Date: 6 October 2011 21:41:38 GMT+01:00 To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility Hello everybody Gordon has just cracked the final problem with our new Mac-Access primary server hardware; so we are shortly going to start to migrate all of our email services away from the mail.tft-bbs.co.uk servers and over to the mail.mac-access.net servers instead. 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Lynne From will.d.lomas at gmail.com Fri Oct 7 00:34:34 2011 From: will.d.lomas at gmail.com (william lomas) Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2011 00:34:34 +0100 Subject: thoughts on iPhone 4S In-Reply-To: References: <7F8843B0-7E29-44A1-B6D3-E4402EA82B53@gmail.com> Message-ID: the battery on iPhone 4 is also claimed i just read to be seven hours on 3g ridiculous so the 4s battery is no improvement even under best conditions one extra hour it is still 14 on gsm these claims do not hold true even with screen curtain etc. etc. etc. i only get 3 hours under 3g On Oct 6, 2011, at 10:19 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: > Hi > > !From what I remember from having an Apple headset with remote, holding down the play/pause button would trigger Voice Control. That functionality isn't going to be stripped out, so when that voice assistant launches, you can use it for the very same. > > Secondly, iOS 5 probably isn't going to run horribly fast on the 3GS, compared to the iPhone 4. For those running the 3GS, the 4S is definitely worth upgrading to because of the faster speed. If you already have the iPhone 4, while the 4S is supposedly twice as fast it'd probably still run fine, and if you don't need the camera or Siri then you might as well stick with what you have. > > Battery life hasn't been made worse because of the extra power, but reportedly better according to the event. More power doesn't necessarily equal sacrificing battery life whatsoever. While Apple can sometimes be a bit generous with their statistics, it's not entirely untrue that you can optimize battery life and pack more processing power into a device with reasonably good results if the chip itself is capable of reducing battery consumption. > > In any case, I'll be getting mine from Germany. Everything is hugely expensive here because of various tax rates as opposed to Germany, and Germany is getting it on the 14th. The huge benefit to the touchscreen devices is that, since the keyboard is intelligent, changing the keyboard layout gives you the keys that you need so you can potentially buy the phone from any country. > > Regards, > Nic > On Oct 6, 2011, at 7:33 AM, william lomas wrote: > >> hi what do people here think then of the iPhone 4s? anyone going to upgrade from the 4 if they have one? >> to only get voice recognition a faster supposedly processor which will make battery life worse in my view these benchmarks are nothing to go buy and an eight mp camera when we have no OCR for it isn't worth it. >> THe fact that the rest of IOS five can run well on a 3gs, or a 4, is testament to it but i would like siri on my phone why should i spend more money just to ge that? >> all apple want is money I going to go i think with android next year >> my upgrade is due next year not this. >> if we can though use the apple remote and mike headphones to press a button and say, text lyn to say i am running late as we on the road that's great but if have to stop, take phone out pocket hold down a button and speak then put phone away and continue on route it is silly but i do want a faster way to type as texting take forever in my view on an ios device, but what are peoples thoughts? >> maybe i am missing reasons to upgrade but the price is too high apple need to live in the real world we are in hard times, who wants to spend money on a phone that hardly offers anything new? >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From doug.cam3 at gmail.com Fri Oct 7 04:37:18 2011 From: doug.cam3 at gmail.com (douglas rudolph) Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2011 21:37:18 -0600 Subject: thoughts on iPhone 4S In-Reply-To: References: <7F8843B0-7E29-44A1-B6D3-E4402EA82B53@gmail.com> Message-ID: <71B77D77F0CD430096FD463B2131A1AD@dougPC> hey, really the iphone 4g, and 4s has a worse battery then the 3gs?.. for real?... i can get about 10 hours of moderate usage, if im only texting... if im using 3g or wifi, it will obviously decrease horribley, but still,.. wow This email may contain personal identifyable information. 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Douglas Rudolph Tel: 1306-565-2056 Cell: 1306-450-0153 Email: doug.cam3 at gmail.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "william lomas" To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2011 5:34 PM Subject: Re: thoughts on iPhone 4S > the battery on iPhone 4 is also claimed i just read to be seven hours on > 3g > ridiculous > so the 4s battery is no improvement even under best conditions one extra > hour it is still 14 on gsm these claims do not hold true even with screen > curtain etc. etc. etc. i only get 3 hours under 3g > > On Oct 6, 2011, at 10:19 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: > >> Hi >> >> !From what I remember from having an Apple headset with remote, holding >> down the play/pause button would trigger Voice Control. That >> functionality isn't going to be stripped out, so when that voice >> assistant launches, you can use it for the very same. >> >> Secondly, iOS 5 probably isn't going to run horribly fast on the 3GS, >> compared to the iPhone 4. For those running the 3GS, the 4S is definitely >> worth upgrading to because of the faster speed. If you already have the >> iPhone 4, while the 4S is supposedly twice as fast it'd probably still >> run fine, and if you don't need the camera or Siri then you might as well >> stick with what you have. >> >> Battery life hasn't been made worse because of the extra power, but >> reportedly better according to the event. More power doesn't necessarily >> equal sacrificing battery life whatsoever. While Apple can sometimes be a >> bit generous with their statistics, it's not entirely untrue that you can >> optimize battery life and pack more processing power into a device with >> reasonably good results if the chip itself is capable of reducing battery >> consumption. >> >> In any case, I'll be getting mine from Germany. Everything is hugely >> expensive here because of various tax rates as opposed to Germany, and >> Germany is getting it on the 14th. The huge benefit to the touchscreen >> devices is that, since the keyboard is intelligent, changing the keyboard >> layout gives you the keys that you need so you can potentially buy the >> phone from any country. >> >> Regards, >> Nic >> On Oct 6, 2011, at 7:33 AM, william lomas wrote: >> >>> hi what do people here think then of the iPhone 4s? anyone going to >>> upgrade from the 4 if they have one? >>> to only get voice recognition a faster supposedly processor which will >>> make battery life worse in my view these benchmarks are nothing to go >>> buy and an eight mp camera when we have no OCR for it isn't worth it. >>> THe fact that the rest of IOS five can run well on a 3gs, or a 4, is >>> testament to it but i would like siri on my phone why should i spend >>> more money just to ge that? >>> all apple want is money I going to go i think with android next year >>> my upgrade is due next year not this. >>> if we can though use the apple remote and mike headphones to press a >>> button and say, text lyn to say i am running late as we on the road >>> that's great but if have to stop, take phone out pocket hold down a >>> button and speak then put phone away and continue on route it is silly >>> but i do want a faster way to type as texting take forever in my view on >>> an ios device, but what are peoples thoughts? >>> maybe i am missing reasons to upgrade but the price is too high apple >>> need to live in the real world we are in hard times, who wants to spend >>> money on a phone that hardly offers anything new? >>> >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to >>> mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access >>> forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>> >>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>> . >>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, >>> virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by >>> visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to >> mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum >> at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus >> and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by >> visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum > at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus > and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting > the list website at: > > From marrie12 at gmail.com Thu Oct 6 17:33:32 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2011 09:33:32 -0700 Subject: I think I already have iPhone 4S! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3E3B1570-9CF9-49A7-B0F8-EB7DEFF060C2@gmail.com> No you don't have the iphone 4s. What you have is an iphone with voice capability but not as good as what ever the iphone 4s will do. the voice thing has been around since the iphoen 3gs if I recall and maybe a bit before. Trust me on that one. lol! I've used both models. Take care all. Sarah Alawami If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com website: http://music.marrie.org Podcast: http://tffp.marrie.org/podcast youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 On Oct 6, 2011, at 3:11 AM, Jonathan Tyrer wrote: > I just held down my home button and said, "call John Smith." > > The iPone replied, "John Smith, home or work?" > > JT > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From will.d.lomas at gmail.com Fri Oct 7 07:01:36 2011 From: will.d.lomas at gmail.com (william lomas) Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2011 07:01:36 +0100 Subject: thoughts on iPhone 4S In-Reply-To: References: <7F8843B0-7E29-44A1-B6D3-E4402EA82B53@gmail.com> <79972330-3E6D-4B9A-BEBA-B5E3B19ADE80@computing.dcu.ie> Message-ID: <01F70490-15AB-4D18-867C-A6FE9F676EE4@gmail.com> siri i read, supports english french and german so not the other languages that the iPhone 4s itself supports like danish, chinese, arabic, italian so leaving a lot of users initially at least if can not speak english out of the loop On Oct 6, 2011, at 11:02 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: > Hi D?nal > > It's probably going to run me close to $1200 over here, but buyinng from Germany I may be able to cut it down significantly. That's just for the 16GB model. > > I may very well go with the same storage as my 3GS. > > Regards, > Nic > On Oct 6, 2011, at 11:24 AM, D?nal Fitzpatrick wrote: > >> Nick, >> >> You getting yours sim-free? Any idea how much? >> >> Regarding your other points, I agree 100%. >> >> D?nal >> On 6 Oct 2011, at 10:19, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: >> >>> Hi >>> >>> !From what I remember from having an Apple headset with remote, holding down the play/pause button would trigger Voice Control. That functionality isn't going to be stripped out, so when that voice assistant launches, you can use it for the very same. >>> >>> Secondly, iOS 5 probably isn't going to run horribly fast on the 3GS, compared to the iPhone 4. For those running the 3GS, the 4S is definitely worth upgrading to because of the faster speed. If you already have the iPhone 4, while the 4S is supposedly twice as fast it'd probably still run fine, and if you don't need the camera or Siri then you might as well stick with what you have. >>> >>> Battery life hasn't been made worse because of the extra power, but reportedly better according to the event. More power doesn't necessarily equal sacrificing battery life whatsoever. While Apple can sometimes be a bit generous with their statistics, it's not entirely untrue that you can optimize battery life and pack more processing power into a device with reasonably good results if the chip itself is capable of reducing battery consumption. >>> >>> In any case, I'll be getting mine from Germany. Everything is hugely expensive here because of various tax rates as opposed to Germany, and Germany is getting it on the 14th. The huge benefit to the touchscreen devices is that, since the keyboard is intelligent, changing the keyboard layout gives you the keys that you need so you can potentially buy the phone from any country. >>> >>> Regards, >>> Nic >>> On Oct 6, 2011, at 7:33 AM, william lomas wrote: >>> >>>> hi what do people here think then of the iPhone 4s? anyone going to upgrade from the 4 if they have one? >>>> to only get voice recognition a faster supposedly processor which will make battery life worse in my view these benchmarks are nothing to go buy and an eight mp camera when we have no OCR for it isn't worth it. >>>> THe fact that the rest of IOS five can run well on a 3gs, or a 4, is testament to it but i would like siri on my phone why should i spend more money just to ge that? >>>> all apple want is money I going to go i think with android next year >>>> my upgrade is due next year not this. >>>> if we can though use the apple remote and mike headphones to press a button and say, text lyn to say i am running late as we on the road that's great but if have to stop, take phone out pocket hold down a button and speak then put phone away and continue on route it is silly but i do want a faster way to type as texting take forever in my view on an ios device, but what are peoples thoughts? >>>> maybe i am missing reasons to upgrade but the price is too high apple need to live in the real world we are in hard times, who wants to spend money on a phone that hardly offers anything new? >>>> >>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>>> >>>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>>> . >>>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>>> >>>> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>> >>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>> >>> >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>> >>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>> . >>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> D?nal Fitzpatrick >> dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie >> >> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From mattchao at verizon.net Fri Oct 7 11:38:56 2011 From: mattchao at verizon.net (Matthew Chao) Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2011 06:38:56 -0400 Subject: Tribute to Steve Jobs Message-ID: <0LSO00DIHYWZ5O40@vms173011.mailsrvcs.net> Hi, Folks. While it was very sad to hear of Steve Jobs' passing, two things came to mind: First, from a historical standpoint, what were the factors that prompted Apple to promote accessibility? That wasn't always the case. Does anyone on the list know? It was this accessibility out of the box that got me to consider buying my MacBook Pro and iPhone. Second, no one in the general media said anything about Apple's products being accessible out of the box. Compare that to PC's or other smartphones. Anyway, just my thoughts. From dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie Fri Oct 7 15:17:55 2011 From: dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie (=?iso-8859-1?Q?D=F3nal_Fitzpatrick?=) Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2011 15:17:55 +0100 Subject: issues with Skim? Message-ID: Hi all, I know Esther and others on list use Skim. I'm noticing something under Lion and wouldn't mind if others can confirm. If one reads a long passage of a PDF document the reading sounds odd. Remember in Mail when words were broken up? I'll try to Simulate: "T he little B rown dog J umped quickly over the L azy" (etc) In essence, words are being broken up and read incorrectly. The reason I'm trying to get this sorted is that my Preview issue doesn't seem to be resolvable. My wife assures me that the entire text of the page is visible on-screen, yet VO isn't reading the entire thing. I'm starting to pul my hair out on this one, as (given the job I do) I have to read a lot of PDF documents. Some of these are important theses etc so missing chunks are a problem. Thanks much, D?nal D?nal Fitzpatrick dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie From dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie Fri Oct 7 15:54:09 2011 From: dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie (=?iso-8859-1?Q?D=F3nal_Fitzpatrick?=) Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2011 15:54:09 +0100 Subject: stanza on the mac. Message-ID: Do any of you find it a pain? I've been using it for about 24 hours and it's horrible. Essentially none of the page-turning commands seem to work, next-previous chapter commands don't work and?. From what I can see there is one HTML content area with all the text of the book, and that's about it. Why, oh why oh why did I update to LION? D?nal Fitzpatrick dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie From anne at anarchie.org.uk Fri Oct 7 16:11:36 2011 From: anne at anarchie.org.uk (Anne Robertson) Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2011 17:11:36 +0200 Subject: stanza on the mac. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <23F4C8F9-AF14-4D66-A455-1BC2B75B9476@anarchie.org.uk> Hello D?nal, I've always hated Stanza. I read epub books with Adobe Digital Editions Preview. OK, you have to hit right arrow to turn a page, but it reads nicely and you can copy a page using VO-Shift-c and paste it wherever you want. It works great with Kobo books, too. It also remembers where I stopped reading. Cheers, Anne On 7 Oct 2011, at 16:54, D?nal Fitzpatrick wrote: > Do any of you find it a pain? I've been using it for about 24 hours and it's horrible. Essentially none of the page-turning commands seem to work, next-previous chapter commands don't work and?. From what I can see there is one HTML content area with all the text of the book, and that's about it. > > Why, oh why oh why did I update to LION? > D?nal Fitzpatrick > dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie > > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie Fri Oct 7 16:18:31 2011 From: dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie (=?iso-8859-1?Q?D=F3nal_Fitzpatrick?=) Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2011 16:18:31 +0100 Subject: stanza on the mac. In-Reply-To: <23F4C8F9-AF14-4D66-A455-1BC2B75B9476@anarchie.org.uk> References: <23F4C8F9-AF14-4D66-A455-1BC2B75B9476@anarchie.org.uk> Message-ID: <66FAF49B-8855-4ABA-AF8E-61DB4A6CD30F@computing.dcu.ie> Thanks Anne, Esther mentioned that a few days ago but I haven't got around to downloading it yet. I'm now removing Stanza! Actually, I'm not going to! I'm going to keep it, bring it up on screen during my HCI (Human-Computer Interaction) class as an example of how to design an app that follows the look and feel guidelines of an OS but is ridiculously awkward to use. Clouds, silver lining etc? Thanks. D?nal On 7 Oct 2011, at 16:11, Anne Robertson wrote: > Hello D?nal, > > I've always hated Stanza. I read epub books with Adobe Digital Editions Preview. OK, you have to hit right arrow to turn a page, but it reads nicely and you can copy a page using VO-Shift-c and paste it wherever you want. It works great with Kobo books, too. It also remembers where I stopped reading. > > Cheers, > > Anne > > > On 7 Oct 2011, at 16:54, D?nal Fitzpatrick wrote: > >> Do any of you find it a pain? I've been using it for about 24 hours and it's horrible. Essentially none of the page-turning commands seem to work, next-previous chapter commands don't work and?. From what I can see there is one HTML content area with all the text of the book, and that's about it. >> >> Why, oh why oh why did I update to LION? >> D?nal Fitzpatrick >> dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie >> >> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > D?nal Fitzpatrick dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie From dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie Fri Oct 7 16:31:36 2011 From: dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie (=?iso-8859-1?Q?D=F3nal_Fitzpatrick?=) Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2011 16:31:36 +0100 Subject: stanza on the mac. In-Reply-To: <23F4C8F9-AF14-4D66-A455-1BC2B75B9476@anarchie.org.uk> References: <23F4C8F9-AF14-4D66-A455-1BC2B75B9476@anarchie.org.uk> Message-ID: <087CB31E-A19B-4C4E-BAA1-BC624AF57A5C@computing.dcu.ie> Just one thing Anne, which version are you using? I presume 1.8; the one with accessibility built in? D?nal On 7 Oct 2011, at 16:11, Anne Robertson wrote: > Hello D?nal, > > I've always hated Stanza. I read epub books with Adobe Digital Editions Preview. OK, you have to hit right arrow to turn a page, but it reads nicely and you can copy a page using VO-Shift-c and paste it wherever you want. It works great with Kobo books, too. It also remembers where I stopped reading. > > Cheers, > > Anne > > > On 7 Oct 2011, at 16:54, D?nal Fitzpatrick wrote: > >> Do any of you find it a pain? I've been using it for about 24 hours and it's horrible. Essentially none of the page-turning commands seem to work, next-previous chapter commands don't work and?. From what I can see there is one HTML content area with all the text of the book, and that's about it. >> >> Why, oh why oh why did I update to LION? >> D?nal Fitzpatrick >> dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie >> >> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > D?nal Fitzpatrick dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie From geoff.waaler at gmail.com Fri Oct 7 16:37:10 2011 From: geoff.waaler at gmail.com (Geoff Waaler) Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2011 11:37:10 -0400 Subject: Tribute to Steve Jobs References: <0LSO00DIHYWZ5O40@vms173011.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <5D1A1A668C1A478C98AA6392D2FAAE76@YOURZ8KUJVJGKY> Well I would have been surprised if there was any mention. The out of box accessibility was absolutely critical to me, but is totally irrelevant to 99% of the population, hence the media would not consider that a very notable feature. That is the grim reality which is why many developers can't be bothered with accessibility. Best regards. Geoff ----- Original Message ----- From: Matthew Chao To: mac-access at mac-access.net Sent: Friday, October 07, 2011 6:38 AM Subject: Tribute to Steve Jobs Hi, Folks. While it was very sad to hear of Steve Jobs' passing, two things came to mind: First, from a historical standpoint, what were the factors that prompted Apple to promote accessibility? That wasn't always the case. Does anyone on the list know? It was this accessibility out of the box that got me to consider buying my MacBook Pro and iPhone. Second, no one in the general media said anything about Apple's products being accessible out of the box. Compare that to PC's or other smartphones. Anyway, just my thoughts. <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: or at the public Mail Archive: . Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From marrie12 at gmail.com Fri Oct 7 16:51:21 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2011 08:51:21 -0700 Subject: stanza on the mac. In-Reply-To: <66FAF49B-8855-4ABA-AF8E-61DB4A6CD30F@computing.dcu.ie> References: <23F4C8F9-AF14-4D66-A455-1BC2B75B9476@anarchie.org.uk> <66FAF49B-8855-4ABA-AF8E-61DB4A6CD30F@computing.dcu.ie> Message-ID: <0834EA3A-B162-4A38-83C2-1AF6F9AEA5B3@gmail.com> It's open source so I would contact the dev and explain to them what's going on. If they can find someone who can code it they will indeed try and fix it. Yeah I don't like stanza but instead of moaning and complaining I try and do something about it. Take care all. Sarah Alawami If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com website: http://music.marrie.org Podcast: http://tffp.marrie.org/podcast youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 On Oct 7, 2011, at 8:18 AM, D?nal Fitzpatrick wrote: > Thanks Anne, Esther mentioned that a few days ago but I haven't got around to downloading it yet. I'm now removing Stanza! Actually, I'm not going to! I'm going to keep it, bring it up on screen during my HCI (Human-Computer Interaction) class as an example of how to design an app that follows the look and feel guidelines of an OS but is ridiculously awkward to use. Clouds, silver lining etc? > > Thanks. > > D?nal > On 7 Oct 2011, at 16:11, Anne Robertson wrote: > >> Hello D?nal, >> >> I've always hated Stanza. I read epub books with Adobe Digital Editions Preview. OK, you have to hit right arrow to turn a page, but it reads nicely and you can copy a page using VO-Shift-c and paste it wherever you want. It works great with Kobo books, too. It also remembers where I stopped reading. >> >> Cheers, >> >> Anne >> >> >> On 7 Oct 2011, at 16:54, D?nal Fitzpatrick wrote: >> >>> Do any of you find it a pain? I've been using it for about 24 hours and it's horrible. Essentially none of the page-turning commands seem to work, next-previous chapter commands don't work and?. From what I can see there is one HTML content area with all the text of the book, and that's about it. >>> >>> Why, oh why oh why did I update to LION? >>> D?nal Fitzpatrick >>> dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie >>> >>> >>> >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>> >>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>> . >>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > D?nal Fitzpatrick > dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie > > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From marrie12 at gmail.com Fri Oct 7 16:53:11 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2011 08:53:11 -0700 Subject: thoughts on iPhone 4S In-Reply-To: References: <7F8843B0-7E29-44A1-B6D3-E4402EA82B53@gmail.com> Message-ID: <005270D2-0AA9-46B0-B045-484289344738@gmail.com> Really. I get over 6 hours of tak time and all of that good stuff and about 3 days if I'm not talking onthe phone if I don't use it for anything or lock it when I'm asleep. I dunno why some of us have battery issues and some don't but there ya go. On Oct 6, 2011, at 4:34 PM, william lomas wrote: > the battery on iPhone 4 is also claimed i just read to be seven hours on 3g > ridiculous > so the 4s battery is no improvement even under best conditions one extra hour it is still 14 on gsm these claims do not hold true even with screen curtain etc. etc. etc. i only get 3 hours under 3g > > On Oct 6, 2011, at 10:19 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: > >> Hi >> >> !From what I remember from having an Apple headset with remote, holding down the play/pause button would trigger Voice Control. That functionality isn't going to be stripped out, so when that voice assistant launches, you can use it for the very same. >> >> Secondly, iOS 5 probably isn't going to run horribly fast on the 3GS, compared to the iPhone 4. For those running the 3GS, the 4S is definitely worth upgrading to because of the faster speed. If you already have the iPhone 4, while the 4S is supposedly twice as fast it'd probably still run fine, and if you don't need the camera or Siri then you might as well stick with what you have. >> >> Battery life hasn't been made worse because of the extra power, but reportedly better according to the event. More power doesn't necessarily equal sacrificing battery life whatsoever. While Apple can sometimes be a bit generous with their statistics, it's not entirely untrue that you can optimize battery life and pack more processing power into a device with reasonably good results if the chip itself is capable of reducing battery consumption. >> >> In any case, I'll be getting mine from Germany. Everything is hugely expensive here because of various tax rates as opposed to Germany, and Germany is getting it on the 14th. The huge benefit to the touchscreen devices is that, since the keyboard is intelligent, changing the keyboard layout gives you the keys that you need so you can potentially buy the phone from any country. >> >> Regards, >> Nic >> On Oct 6, 2011, at 7:33 AM, william lomas wrote: >> >>> hi what do people here think then of the iPhone 4s? anyone going to upgrade from the 4 if they have one? >>> to only get voice recognition a faster supposedly processor which will make battery life worse in my view these benchmarks are nothing to go buy and an eight mp camera when we have no OCR for it isn't worth it. >>> THe fact that the rest of IOS five can run well on a 3gs, or a 4, is testament to it but i would like siri on my phone why should i spend more money just to ge that? >>> all apple want is money I going to go i think with android next year >>> my upgrade is due next year not this. >>> if we can though use the apple remote and mike headphones to press a button and say, text lyn to say i am running late as we on the road that's great but if have to stop, take phone out pocket hold down a button and speak then put phone away and continue on route it is silly but i do want a faster way to type as texting take forever in my view on an ios device, but what are peoples thoughts? >>> maybe i am missing reasons to upgrade but the price is too high apple need to live in the real world we are in hard times, who wants to spend money on a phone that hardly offers anything new? >>> >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>> >>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>> . >>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From marrie12 at gmail.com Fri Oct 7 16:53:59 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2011 08:53:59 -0700 Subject: thoughts on iPhone 4S In-Reply-To: <71B77D77F0CD430096FD463B2131A1AD@dougPC> References: <7F8843B0-7E29-44A1-B6D3-E4402EA82B53@gmail.com> <71B77D77F0CD430096FD463B2131A1AD@dougPC> Message-ID: lol. when I had the iphone3gs I went from 100 to dead in about 6 hours and that was with it doing nothing. Now I can just leave it locked when I'm sleepign and still stick at 100. Pluss I recalabrage my battery every month. Take care. On Oct 6, 2011, at 8:37 PM, douglas rudolph wrote: > hey, really the iphone 4g, and 4s has a worse battery then the 3gs?.. for real?... i can get about 10 hours of moderate usage, if im only texting... if im using 3g or wifi, it will obviously decrease horribley, but still,.. wow > This email may contain personal identifyable information. Copy, relay, redistributions, and or reading of these emails is strictly prohibited, unless you are the intended recipiant of this email, and this intended recipiant only. If this is not the intended recipiant, then you are requested to delete this message immediately and notify sender. > Douglas Rudolph > Tel: 1306-565-2056 > Cell: 1306-450-0153 > Email: doug.cam3 at gmail.com > ----- Original Message ----- From: "william lomas" > To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" > Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2011 5:34 PM > Subject: Re: thoughts on iPhone 4S > > >> the battery on iPhone 4 is also claimed i just read to be seven hours on 3g >> ridiculous >> so the 4s battery is no improvement even under best conditions one extra hour it is still 14 on gsm these claims do not hold true even with screen curtain etc. etc. etc. i only get 3 hours under 3g >> >> On Oct 6, 2011, at 10:19 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: >> >>> Hi >>> >>> !From what I remember from having an Apple headset with remote, holding down the play/pause button would trigger Voice Control. That functionality isn't going to be stripped out, so when that voice assistant launches, you can use it for the very same. >>> >>> Secondly, iOS 5 probably isn't going to run horribly fast on the 3GS, compared to the iPhone 4. For those running the 3GS, the 4S is definitely worth upgrading to because of the faster speed. If you already have the iPhone 4, while the 4S is supposedly twice as fast it'd probably still run fine, and if you don't need the camera or Siri then you might as well stick with what you have. >>> >>> Battery life hasn't been made worse because of the extra power, but reportedly better according to the event. More power doesn't necessarily equal sacrificing battery life whatsoever. While Apple can sometimes be a bit generous with their statistics, it's not entirely untrue that you can optimize battery life and pack more processing power into a device with reasonably good results if the chip itself is capable of reducing battery consumption. >>> >>> In any case, I'll be getting mine from Germany. Everything is hugely expensive here because of various tax rates as opposed to Germany, and Germany is getting it on the 14th. The huge benefit to the touchscreen devices is that, since the keyboard is intelligent, changing the keyboard layout gives you the keys that you need so you can potentially buy the phone from any country. >>> >>> Regards, >>> Nic >>> On Oct 6, 2011, at 7:33 AM, william lomas wrote: >>> >>>> hi what do people here think then of the iPhone 4s? anyone going to upgrade from the 4 if they have one? >>>> to only get voice recognition a faster supposedly processor which will make battery life worse in my view these benchmarks are nothing to go buy and an eight mp camera when we have no OCR for it isn't worth it. >>>> THe fact that the rest of IOS five can run well on a 3gs, or a 4, is testament to it but i would like siri on my phone why should i spend more money just to ge that? >>>> all apple want is money I going to go i think with android next year >>>> my upgrade is due next year not this. >>>> if we can though use the apple remote and mike headphones to press a button and say, text lyn to say i am running late as we on the road that's great but if have to stop, take phone out pocket hold down a button and speak then put phone away and continue on route it is silly but i do want a faster way to type as texting take forever in my view on an ios device, but what are peoples thoughts? >>>> maybe i am missing reasons to upgrade but the price is too high apple need to live in the real world we are in hard times, who wants to spend money on a phone that hardly offers anything new? >>>> >>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>>> >>>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>>> . >>>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>>> >>>> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>> >>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>> >>> >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>> >>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>> . >>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From geoff.waaler at gmail.com Fri Oct 7 16:56:44 2011 From: geoff.waaler at gmail.com (Geoff Waaler) Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2011 11:56:44 -0400 Subject: iPhone 4S cases. Message-ID: Greetings all, I read that all iPhone4 accessories are applicable for the 4S, however that seems inconsistent with information in the announcement regarding the 4s's larger camera aperture. Since my Otterbox defender has paid for itself several times over in terms of preventing damage to my 3GS, I want to order a case before my 4S arrives hopefully on the 14th. I heard and read in some reviews that the Otterbox case for the iPhone4 is not as protective as their 3GS version. So I'm left with two questions. 1. would a case built for the 4 be likely to cover part of the camera lens? If not, can anyone recommend a case that is protective and would not need to be removed in order to use the phone? TIA for any/all suggestions. Geoff From chris.hallsworth at techno-chat.net Fri Oct 7 17:02:39 2011 From: chris.hallsworth at techno-chat.net (chris hallsworth) Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2011 17:02:39 +0100 Subject: iOS 5 and triple home click? Message-ID: <4E8F229F.2040305@techno-chat.net> Can someone please confirm that the triple home click will be set to VoiceOver by default with iOS 5? I know it's not out till next Wednesday to the general publick, but those who are using the GM or the betas might know. Thanks! From grtdane at internode.on.net Fri Oct 7 17:08:16 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2011 03:08:16 +1100 Subject: Personal Hotspot Message-ID: <9EA4DBA6-19BA-4FE0-A817-48226E2F9AFC@internode.on.net> I had the pleasure of using this feature on my Iphone with my Macbook today, setup was easy enough using the Bluetooth assistant on the Mac and the Iphone, pairing wasn't difficult as I was able to give the Mac my own preferred pass code, so far so good but I do have one question, why did Apple choose Bluetooth or USB connection for the Personal Hotspot option rather than a Wi-Fi connection, perhaps the Wi-Fi radio takes more battery power than the bluetooth transmitter does? From james.austin at mac-access.net Fri Oct 7 17:22:16 2011 From: james.austin at mac-access.net (James AUSTIN) Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2011 17:22:16 +0100 Subject: iOS 5 and triple home click? In-Reply-To: <4E8F229F.2040305@techno-chat.net> References: <4E8F229F.2040305@techno-chat.net> Message-ID: <0970C719-9F37-46B7-9247-99E44044CC09@mac-access.net> Those who are using the GM or the Betas are forbidden from talking about it due to their NDAs. On 7 Oct 2011, at 17:02, chris hallsworth wrote: > Can someone please confirm that the triple home click will be set to VoiceOver by default with iOS 5? I know it's not out till next Wednesday to the general publick, but those who are using the GM or the betas might know. Thanks! > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From chris.hallsworth at techno-chat.net Fri Oct 7 17:30:17 2011 From: chris.hallsworth at techno-chat.net (chris hallsworth) Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2011 17:30:17 +0100 Subject: iOS 5 and triple home click? In-Reply-To: <0970C719-9F37-46B7-9247-99E44044CC09@mac-access.net> References: <4E8F229F.2040305@techno-chat.net> <0970C719-9F37-46B7-9247-99E44044CC09@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <4E8F2919.8050909@techno-chat.net> Ar, I didn't know. Sorry about that. We better close this thread then in my opinion. Thanks. On 07/10/2011 17:22, James AUSTIN wrote: > Those who are using the GM or the Betas are forbidden from talking about it due to their NDAs. > On 7 Oct 2011, at 17:02, chris hallsworth wrote: > >> Can someone please confirm that the triple home click will be set to VoiceOver by default with iOS 5? I know it's not out till next Wednesday to the general publick, but those who are using the GM or the betas might know. Thanks! >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > > From marrie12 at gmail.com Fri Oct 7 18:05:23 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2011 10:05:23 -0700 Subject: Personal Hotspot In-Reply-To: <9EA4DBA6-19BA-4FE0-A817-48226E2F9AFC@internode.on.net> References: <9EA4DBA6-19BA-4FE0-A817-48226E2F9AFC@internode.on.net> Message-ID: <7E586A83-3716-4B8E-AFDC-860E636273B2@gmail.com> I'm just a bit dence. What is this personal hotspot thing?Is that the teathering plan? If so we who have unlimited data cannot use it as once we change plans we cannot go back and we are only aloud 4 gigs a month and if we go over it's an extra 10 per gig. So in my case? No! and sprints cap is at 5 gigs per month wiht some charge if you go over. Take care. On Oct 7, 2011, at 9:08 AM, Dane Trethowan wrote: > I had the pleasure of using this feature on my Iphone with my Macbook today, setup was easy enough using the Bluetooth assistant on the Mac and the Iphone, pairing wasn't difficult as I was able to give the Mac my own preferred pass code, so far so good but I do have one question, why did Apple choose Bluetooth or USB connection for the Personal Hotspot option rather than a Wi-Fi connection, perhaps the Wi-Fi radio takes more battery power than the bluetooth transmitter does? > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From will.d.lomas at gmail.com Fri Oct 7 18:16:22 2011 From: will.d.lomas at gmail.com (william lomas) Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2011 18:16:22 +0100 Subject: iOS 5 and triple home click? In-Reply-To: <0970C719-9F37-46B7-9247-99E44044CC09@mac-access.net> References: <4E8F229F.2040305@techno-chat.net> <0970C719-9F37-46B7-9247-99E44044CC09@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <5BDF5DED-A480-48AC-ACB3-B2FAE0214B05@gmail.com> oh come on who cares about ndas it all over the internet people need to stop living in this shroud of secrecy called apple On Oct 7, 2011, at 5:22 PM, James AUSTIN wrote: > Those who are using the GM or the Betas are forbidden from talking about it due to their NDAs. > On 7 Oct 2011, at 17:02, chris hallsworth wrote: > >> Can someone please confirm that the triple home click will be set to VoiceOver by default with iOS 5? I know it's not out till next Wednesday to the general publick, but those who are using the GM or the betas might know. Thanks! >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie Fri Oct 7 18:23:02 2011 From: dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie (=?iso-8859-1?Q?D=F3nal_Fitzpatrick?=) Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2011 18:23:02 +0100 Subject: iOS 5 and triple home click? In-Reply-To: <5BDF5DED-A480-48AC-ACB3-B2FAE0214B05@gmail.com> References: <4E8F229F.2040305@techno-chat.net> <0970C719-9F37-46B7-9247-99E44044CC09@mac-access.net> <5BDF5DED-A480-48AC-ACB3-B2FAE0214B05@gmail.com> Message-ID: <0EB6023F-9FF2-4996-8E5C-C513B7D86BAE@computing.dcu.ie> Sorry this mail is utter nonsense! Who cares about NDA? The copyright holder that's who. also the list owner who permits discussion of such matters is liable for prosecution under copyright infringement law among others. So if you're wealthy enough to be able to flout legally binding agreements be my guest but for anyone else I'd *highly* recommend not disclosing anything. Apple have secrecy clauses for a reason and that reason is primarily commercial in nature. If you don't like it? don't use their hardware/software. On 7 Oct 2011, at 18:16, william lomas wrote: > oh come on who cares about ndas it all over the internet people need to stop living in this shroud of secrecy called apple > > On Oct 7, 2011, at 5:22 PM, James AUSTIN wrote: > >> Those who are using the GM or the Betas are forbidden from talking about it due to their NDAs. >> On 7 Oct 2011, at 17:02, chris hallsworth wrote: >> >>> Can someone please confirm that the triple home click will be set to VoiceOver by default with iOS 5? I know it's not out till next Wednesday to the general publick, but those who are using the GM or the betas might know. Thanks! >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>> >>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>> . >>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > D?nal Fitzpatrick dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie From doug.cam3 at gmail.com Fri Oct 7 18:35:39 2011 From: doug.cam3 at gmail.com (douglas rudolph) Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2011 11:35:39 -0600 Subject: iOS 5 and triple home click? In-Reply-To: <5BDF5DED-A480-48AC-ACB3-B2FAE0214B05@gmail.com> References: <4E8F229F.2040305@techno-chat.net><0970C719-9F37-46B7-9247-99E44044CC09@mac-access.net> <5BDF5DED-A480-48AC-ACB3-B2FAE0214B05@gmail.com> Message-ID: william, a non discloser agreement is a legal bound.... it is against most law regions, and international law to actualy break NDA... I am currently under NaA for a governemtntal company here in canada that i was working with for a highschool work experiance... If found in breach of this NDA, i can be charged a fine up to 30000dollars, and or a jail term of about 2 years... thats just the case of myself, why would someone want to risk the potential complications of a NDA breach? that is there for a reason, not to hide shit.... maybe once you are in a possision of NDA you would understand this... Apple has their NDA'a for good reason, that is how they have kept all their new products, software, etc under such wraps, that when it comes out, it isn't a prototype, but a fully functional product, and in working condition... other companies such as *cough*microsoft, tends to release information that makes us visually impared users either excited, for no true reason, or pissed off... apple does what they do and they do it well.... This email may contain personal identifyable information. Copy, relay, redistributions, and or reading of these emails is strictly prohibited, unless you are the intended recipiant of this email, and this intended recipiant only. If this is not the intended recipiant, then you are requested to delete this message immediately and notify sender. Douglas Rudolph Tel: 1306-565-2056 Cell: 1306-450-0153 Email: doug.cam3 at gmail.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "william lomas" To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" Sent: Friday, October 07, 2011 11:16 AM Subject: Re: iOS 5 and triple home click? > oh come on who cares about ndas it all over the internet people need to > stop living in this shroud of secrecy called apple > > On Oct 7, 2011, at 5:22 PM, James AUSTIN wrote: > >> Those who are using the GM or the Betas are forbidden from talking about >> it due to their NDAs. >> On 7 Oct 2011, at 17:02, chris hallsworth wrote: >> >>> Can someone please confirm that the triple home click will be set to >>> VoiceOver by default with iOS 5? I know it's not out till next Wednesday >>> to the general publick, but those who are using the GM or the betas >>> might know. Thanks! >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to >>> mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access >>> forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>> >>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>> . >>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, >>> virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by >>> visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to >> mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum >> at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus >> and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by >> visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum > at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus > and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting > the list website at: > From chris.hallsworth at techno-chat.net Fri Oct 7 19:09:50 2011 From: chris.hallsworth at techno-chat.net (chris hallsworth) Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2011 19:09:50 +0100 Subject: iOS 5 and triple home click? In-Reply-To: References: <4E8F229F.2040305@techno-chat.net><0970C719-9F37-46B7-9247-99E44044CC09@mac-access.net> <5BDF5DED-A480-48AC-ACB3-B2FAE0214B05@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4E8F406E.4030903@techno-chat.net> Yes I understand and once again I applaud Apple for making fine fully functional software thanks to their NDA. On 07/10/2011 18:35, douglas rudolph wrote: > william, a non discloser agreement is a legal bound.... it is against > most law regions, and international law to actualy break NDA... I am > currently under NaA for a governemtntal company here in canada that i > was working with for a highschool work experiance... If found in breach > of this NDA, i can be charged a fine up to 30000dollars, and or a jail > term of about 2 years... thats just the case of myself, why would > someone want to risk the potential complications of a NDA breach? that > is there for a reason, not to hide shit.... maybe once you are in a > possision of NDA you would understand this... Apple has their NDA'a for > good reason, that is how they have kept all their new products, > software, etc under such wraps, that when it comes out, it isn't a > prototype, but a fully functional product, and in working condition... > other companies such as *cough*microsoft, tends to release information > that makes us visually impared users either excited, for no true reason, > or pissed off... apple does what they do and they do it well.... > This email may contain personal identifyable information. Copy, relay, > redistributions, and or reading of these emails is strictly prohibited, > unless you are the intended recipiant of this email, and this intended > recipiant only. If this is not the intended recipiant, then you are > requested to delete this message immediately and notify sender. > Douglas Rudolph > Tel: 1306-565-2056 > Cell: 1306-450-0153 > Email: doug.cam3 at gmail.com > ----- Original Message ----- From: "william lomas" > To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" > Sent: Friday, October 07, 2011 11:16 AM > Subject: Re: iOS 5 and triple home click? > > >> oh come on who cares about ndas it all over the internet people need >> to stop living in this shroud of secrecy called apple >> >> On Oct 7, 2011, at 5:22 PM, James AUSTIN wrote: >> >>> Those who are using the GM or the Betas are forbidden from talking >>> about it due to their NDAs. >>> On 7 Oct 2011, at 17:02, chris hallsworth wrote: >>> >>>> Can someone please confirm that the triple home click will be set to >>>> VoiceOver by default with iOS 5? I know it's not out till next >>>> Wednesday to the general publick, but those who are using the GM or >>>> the betas might know. Thanks! >>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to >>>> mac-access at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access >>>> forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>>> >>>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>>> . >>>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>>> >>>> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, >>>> virus and worm-free! >>>> >>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by >>>> visiting the list website at: >>>> >>> >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to >>> mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access >>> forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>> >>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>> . >>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, >>> virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by >>> visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to >> mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum >> at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, >> virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by >> visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum > at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, > virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by > visiting the list website at: > > From chris.hallsworth at techno-chat.net Fri Oct 7 19:15:06 2011 From: chris.hallsworth at techno-chat.net (chris hallsworth) Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2011 19:15:06 +0100 Subject: Question about wifi on the iPhone Message-ID: <4E8F41AA.3090806@techno-chat.net> Hello all. This is for investigation only. Please can I ask, why would one wifi connection successfully join with the iPhone but not another? When the other one fails to join, you get "alert! unable to join network", substituting network with the actual SSID. When I first got my iPod Touch, I had issues joining wifi, but that was due to me not understanding how to enter letters in uppercase. Thanks! From geoff.waaler at gmail.com Fri Oct 7 19:45:30 2011 From: geoff.waaler at gmail.com (Geoff Waaler) Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2011 14:45:30 -0400 Subject: Question about wifi on the iPhone References: <4E8F41AA.3090806@techno-chat.net> Message-ID: <6DECBF3F96634D1799F58F43E63F6C03@YOURZ8KUJVJGKY> Chris, Assuming that you're entering the wi-fi password correctly on the second phone I would try the following in order so as to be as uninvasive possible. 1. In settings -> wi-fi forget the offending network if there is an entry for it. 2. Power cycle the router -- keep it powered down for 30 seconds. 3. Go into settings -> general -> reset -> reset network settings. HTH. Geoff ----- Original Message ----- From: chris hallsworth To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility Sent: Friday, October 07, 2011 2:15 PM Subject: Question about wifi on the iPhone Hello all. This is for investigation only. Please can I ask, why would one wifi connection successfully join with the iPhone but not another? When the other one fails to join, you get "alert! unable to join network", substituting network with the actual SSID. When I first got my iPod Touch, I had issues joining wifi, but that was due to me not understanding how to enter letters in uppercase. Thanks! <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: or at the public Mail Archive: . Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From chris.hallsworth at techno-chat.net Fri Oct 7 20:27:53 2011 From: chris.hallsworth at techno-chat.net (chris hallsworth) Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2011 20:27:53 +0100 Subject: 30 Best iOS 5 Features Message-ID: <4E8F52B9.7040901@techno-chat.net> http://www.gadgetreview.com/2011/10/30-of-the-best-ios-5-features.html From anne at anarchie.org.uk Fri Oct 7 20:37:59 2011 From: anne at anarchie.org.uk (Anne Robertson) Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2011 21:37:59 +0200 Subject: stanza on the mac. In-Reply-To: <087CB31E-A19B-4C4E-BAA1-BC624AF57A5C@computing.dcu.ie> References: <23F4C8F9-AF14-4D66-A455-1BC2B75B9476@anarchie.org.uk> <087CB31E-A19B-4C4E-BAA1-BC624AF57A5C@computing.dcu.ie> Message-ID: <495E9D7C-CCC7-4691-B68A-D0B0DA5DB838@anarchie.org.uk> Hello D?nal, On 7 Oct 2011, at 17:31, D?nal Fitzpatrick wrote: > Just one thing Anne, which version are you using? I presume 1.8; the one with accessibility built in? > Yes, that's the one. Esther linked to it. Cheers, Anne From will.d.lomas at gmail.com Fri Oct 7 20:43:01 2011 From: will.d.lomas at gmail.com (william lomas) Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2011 20:43:01 +0100 Subject: siri Message-ID: <5FD682E9-C31E-4BC5-B0F5-CFE231F0E4DF@gmail.com> hi here is the siri official keynote from youtube. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qIhKIen5gvU From chris.hallsworth at techno-chat.net Fri Oct 7 20:46:10 2011 From: chris.hallsworth at techno-chat.net (chris hallsworth) Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2011 20:46:10 +0100 Subject: What you can say to Siri Message-ID: <4E8F5702.4000404@techno-chat.net> http://www.tuaw.com/2011/10/05/iphone-4s-what-can-you-say-to-siri/ From will.d.lomas at gmail.com Fri Oct 7 20:46:21 2011 From: will.d.lomas at gmail.com (william lomas) Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2011 20:46:21 +0100 Subject: bluetooth headset Message-ID: <58BCA12E-C093-4DE2-8050-00CC8EB324E4@gmail.com> hi with my iPhone 4 i have the jabra extreme bluetooth headset, yet i can't make the button on it recognize as a home button to even do basic voice dialing if phone is in my pocket, anyone else know how to get this headset to work or r their special apple headsets From ianandriggs at googlemail.com Fri Oct 7 20:57:47 2011 From: ianandriggs at googlemail.com (Ian McNamara) Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2011 20:57:47 +0100 Subject: siri In-Reply-To: <5FD682E9-C31E-4BC5-B0F5-CFE231F0E4DF@gmail.com> References: <5FD682E9-C31E-4BC5-B0F5-CFE231F0E4DF@gmail.com> Message-ID: <61A55775-45E6-47DA-B89B-EDCDC3A7989F@googlemail.com> hi mate think you might have sent me the same one twice. On 7 Oct 2011, at 20:43, william lomas wrote: > hi here is the siri official keynote from youtube. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qIhKIen5gvU > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From nigel.rhodes at gmail.com Fri Oct 7 21:54:05 2011 From: nigel.rhodes at gmail.com (Nigel Rhodes) Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2011 16:54:05 -0400 Subject: Take Control Clients In-Reply-To: <199EC6C8-B0B4-459C-9EDA-1D77004D0604@mac-access.net> References: <199EC6C8-B0B4-459C-9EDA-1D77004D0604@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <13392C18-2BFD-4D6C-B61F-7528ED5A1289@gmail.com> Hi Gordon, Aside from any updates, I have only purchased the book recently released on Spotlight. Thanks, On Oct 4, 2011, at 10:04 AM, Gordon & Lynne wrote: > Hi all > > After a somewhat awkward time over the last couple of weeks, Lynne and I are more or less on an even keel just now. So we are taking the opportunity to sort out any outstanding issues regarding TC clients. > > I don't think anybody we know of has anything missing but if you did buy any books recently, please let us know which ones. This is just so that I can compare against our records and make double sure you don't have any missing files. If you do, it will be made right for you, as always happens at Mac Access. > > So, again, if you've bought books within the last month, send us a list to the support address please. > > Gordon > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From mattchao at verizon.net Fri Oct 7 22:06:13 2011 From: mattchao at verizon.net (Matthew Chao) Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2011 17:06:13 -0400 Subject: thoughts on iPhone 4S In-Reply-To: References: <7F8843B0-7E29-44A1-B6D3-E4402EA82B53@gmail.com> <71B77D77F0CD430096FD463B2131A1AD@dougPC> Message-ID: <0LSP00JS8RYKX3J4@vms173013.mailsrvcs.net> How does one recalibrate the battery? Matthew Chao At 11:53 AM 10/7/2011, you wrote: >lol. when I had the iphone3gs I went from 100 to dead in about 6 >hours and that was with it doing nothing. Now I can just leave it >locked when I'm sleepign and still stick at 100. Pluss I recalabrage >my battery every month. > >Take care. >On Oct 6, 2011, at 8:37 PM, douglas rudolph wrote: > > > hey, really the iphone 4g, and 4s has a worse battery then the > 3gs?.. for real?... i can get about 10 hours of moderate usage, if > im only texting... if im using 3g or wifi, it will obviously > decrease horribley, but still,.. wow > > This email may contain personal identifyable information. Copy, > relay, redistributions, and or reading of these emails is strictly > prohibited, unless you are the intended recipiant of this email, > and this intended recipiant only. If this is not the intended > recipiant, then you are requested to delete this message > immediately and notify sender. > > Douglas Rudolph > > Tel: 1306-565-2056 > > Cell: 1306-450-0153 > > Email: doug.cam3 at gmail.com > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "william lomas" > > To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" > > Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2011 5:34 PM > > Subject: Re: thoughts on iPhone 4S > > > > > >> the battery on iPhone 4 is also claimed i just read to be seven > hours on 3g > >> ridiculous > >> so the 4s battery is no improvement even under best conditions > one extra hour it is still 14 on gsm these claims do not hold true > even with screen curtain etc. etc. etc. i only get 3 hours under 3g > >> > >> On Oct 6, 2011, at 10:19 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: > >> > >>> Hi > >>> > >>> !From what I remember from having an Apple headset with remote, > holding down the play/pause button would trigger Voice Control. > That functionality isn't going to be stripped out, so when that > voice assistant launches, you can use it for the very same. > >>> > >>> Secondly, iOS 5 probably isn't going to run horribly fast on > the 3GS, compared to the iPhone 4. For those running the 3GS, the > 4S is definitely worth upgrading to because of the faster speed. If > you already have the iPhone 4, while the 4S is supposedly twice as > fast it'd probably still run fine, and if you don't need the camera > or Siri then you might as well stick with what you have. > >>> > >>> Battery life hasn't been made worse because of the extra power, > but reportedly better according to the event. More power doesn't > necessarily equal sacrificing battery life whatsoever. While Apple > can sometimes be a bit generous with their statistics, it's not > entirely untrue that you can optimize battery life and pack more > processing power into a device with reasonably good results if the > chip itself is capable of reducing battery consumption. > >>> > >>> In any case, I'll be getting mine from Germany. Everything is > hugely expensive here because of various tax rates as opposed to > Germany, and Germany is getting it on the 14th. The huge benefit to > the touchscreen devices is that, since the keyboard is intelligent, > changing the keyboard layout gives you the keys that you need so > you can potentially buy the phone from any country. > >>> > >>> Regards, > >>> Nic > >>> On Oct 6, 2011, at 7:33 AM, william lomas wrote: > >>> > >>>> hi what do people here think then of the iPhone 4s? anyone > going to upgrade from the 4 if they have one? > >>>> to only get voice recognition a faster supposedly processor > which will make battery life worse in my view these benchmarks are > nothing to go buy and an eight mp camera when we have no OCR for it > isn't worth it. > >>>> THe fact that the rest of IOS five can run well on a 3gs, or a > 4, is testament to it but i would like siri on my phone why should > i spend more money just to ge that? > >>>> all apple want is money I going to go i think with android next year > >>>> my upgrade is due next year not this. > >>>> if we can though use the apple remote and mike headphones to > press a button and say, text lyn to say i am running late as we on > the road that's great but if have to stop, take phone out pocket > hold down a button and speak then put phone away and continue on > route it is silly but i do want a faster way to type as texting > take forever in my view on an ios device, but what are peoples thoughts? > >>>> maybe i am missing reasons to upgrade but the price is too > high apple need to live in the real world we are in hard times, who > wants to spend money on a phone that hardly offers anything new? > >>>> > >>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > >>>> > >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > >>>> > >>>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the > Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > >>>> > >>>> or at the public Mail Archive: > >>>> . > >>>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, > Trojan, virus and worm-free! > >>>> > >>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically > by visiting the list website at: > >>>> > >>> > >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > >>> > >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > >>> > >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the > Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > >>> > >>> or at the public Mail Archive: > >>> . > >>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > >>> > >>> > >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, > Trojan, virus and worm-free! > >>> > >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically > by visiting the list website at: > >>> > >> > >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > >> > >> To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > >> > >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the > Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > >> > >> or at the public Mail Archive: > >> . > >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > >> > >> > >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, > Trojan, virus and worm-free! > >> > >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically > by visiting the list website at: > >> > > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > > > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the > Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > > > or at the public Mail Archive: > > . > > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, > Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by > visiting the list website at: > > > ><--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > >To reply to this post, please address your message to >mac-access at mac-access.net > >You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access >forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > >or at the public Mail Archive: >. >Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > >The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, >virus and worm-free! > >Please remember to update your membership options periodically by >visiting the list website at: > From will.d.lomas at gmail.com Fri Oct 7 22:16:01 2011 From: will.d.lomas at gmail.com (william lomas) Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2011 22:16:01 +0100 Subject: thoughts on iPhone 4S In-Reply-To: <0LSP00JS8RYKX3J4@vms173013.mailsrvcs.net> References: <7F8843B0-7E29-44A1-B6D3-E4402EA82B53@gmail.com> <71B77D77F0CD430096FD463B2131A1AD@dougPC> <0LSP00JS8RYKX3J4@vms173013.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: let it drain completely flat and then recharge completely to 100 On Oct 7, 2011, at 10:06 PM, Matthew Chao wrote: > How does one recalibrate the battery? > > Matthew Chao > > At 11:53 AM 10/7/2011, you wrote: >> lol. when I had the iphone3gs I went from 100 to dead in about 6 hours and that was with it doing nothing. Now I can just leave it locked when I'm sleepign and still stick at 100. Pluss I recalabrage my battery every month. >> >> Take care. >> On Oct 6, 2011, at 8:37 PM, douglas rudolph wrote: >> >> > hey, really the iphone 4g, and 4s has a worse battery then the 3gs?.. for real?... i can get about 10 hours of moderate usage, if im only texting... if im using 3g or wifi, it will obviously decrease horribley, but still,.. wow >> > This email may contain personal identifyable information. Copy, relay, redistributions, and or reading of these emails is strictly prohibited, unless you are the intended recipiant of this email, and this intended recipiant only. If this is not the intended recipiant, then you are requested to delete this message immediately and notify sender. >> > Douglas Rudolph >> > Tel: 1306-565-2056 >> > Cell: 1306-450-0153 >> > Email: doug.cam3 at gmail.com >> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "william lomas" >> > To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" >> > Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2011 5:34 PM >> > Subject: Re: thoughts on iPhone 4S >> > >> > >> >> the battery on iPhone 4 is also claimed i just read to be seven hours on 3g >> >> ridiculous >> >> so the 4s battery is no improvement even under best conditions one extra hour it is still 14 on gsm these claims do not hold true even with screen curtain etc. etc. etc. i only get 3 hours under 3g >> >> >> >> On Oct 6, 2011, at 10:19 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: >> >> >> >>> Hi >> >>> >> >>> !From what I remember from having an Apple headset with remote, holding down the play/pause button would trigger Voice Control. That functionality isn't going to be stripped out, so when that voice assistant launches, you can use it for the very same. >> >>> >> >>> Secondly, iOS 5 probably isn't going to run horribly fast on the 3GS, compared to the iPhone 4. For those running the 3GS, the 4S is definitely worth upgrading to because of the faster speed. If you already have the iPhone 4, while the 4S is supposedly twice as fast it'd probably still run fine, and if you don't need the camera or Siri then you might as well stick with what you have. >> >>> >> >>> Battery life hasn't been made worse because of the extra power, but reportedly better according to the event. More power doesn't necessarily equal sacrificing battery life whatsoever. While Apple can sometimes be a bit generous with their statistics, it's not entirely untrue that you can optimize battery life and pack more processing power into a device with reasonably good results if the chip itself is capable of reducing battery consumption. >> >>> >> >>> In any case, I'll be getting mine from Germany. Everything is hugely expensive here because of various tax rates as opposed to Germany, and Germany is getting it on the 14th. The huge benefit to the touchscreen devices is that, since the keyboard is intelligent, changing the keyboard layout gives you the keys that you need so you can potentially buy the phone from any country. >> >>> >> >>> Regards, >> >>> Nic >> >>> On Oct 6, 2011, at 7:33 AM, william lomas wrote: >> >>> >> >>>> hi what do people here think then of the iPhone 4s? anyone going to upgrade from the 4 if they have one? >> >>>> to only get voice recognition a faster supposedly processor which will make battery life worse in my view these benchmarks are nothing to go buy and an eight mp camera when we have no OCR for it isn't worth it. >> >>>> THe fact that the rest of IOS five can run well on a 3gs, or a 4, is testament to it but i would like siri on my phone why should i spend more money just to ge that? >> >>>> all apple want is money I going to go i think with android next year >> >>>> my upgrade is due next year not this. >> >>>> if we can though use the apple remote and mike headphones to press a button and say, text lyn to say i am running late as we on the road that's great but if have to stop, take phone out pocket hold down a button and speak then put phone away and continue on route it is silly but i do want a faster way to type as texting take forever in my view on an ios device, but what are peoples thoughts? >> >>>> maybe i am missing reasons to upgrade but the price is too high apple need to live in the real world we are in hard times, who wants to spend money on a phone that hardly offers anything new? >> >>>> >> >>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >>>> >> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >>>> >> >>>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >>>> >> >>>> or at the public Mail Archive: >> >>>> . >> >>>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >>>> >> >>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> >>>> >> >>> >> >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >>> >> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >>> >> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >>> >> >>> or at the public Mail Archive: >> >>> . >> >>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >>> >> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> >>> >> >> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> >> . >> >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> >> >> > >> > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> > >> > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> > >> > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> > >> > or at the public Mail Archive: >> > . >> > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> > >> > >> > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> > >> > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From juanitatighan at gmail.com Fri Oct 7 23:45:18 2011 From: juanitatighan at gmail.com (Jane) Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2011 18:45:18 -0400 Subject: Lion Trouble Message-ID: I was trying (again) to authorize this computer to play Audible content after doing a repair disc permissions. It STILL says I don't have enough privilidges to authorize, but I KNOW this is set as an admin account. What other option do I have before I have to either give up or somehow find a way to archive and re-install? Jane From marrie12 at gmail.com Sat Oct 8 00:46:35 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2011 16:46:35 -0700 Subject: thoughts on iPhone 4S In-Reply-To: References: <7F8843B0-7E29-44A1-B6D3-E4402EA82B53@gmail.com> <71B77D77F0CD430096FD463B2131A1AD@dougPC> <0LSP00JS8RYKX3J4@vms173013.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: Yep I do tht every month and it helps a lot for my battery life. and I'm not usually on the phoen for more then a few minutes not 12 hours like I was one time. I did cheat on that but i willnot tell you all how lol! Take care all. On Oct 7, 2011, at 2:16 PM, william lomas wrote: > let it drain completely flat and then recharge completely to 100 > > On Oct 7, 2011, at 10:06 PM, Matthew Chao wrote: > >> How does one recalibrate the battery? >> >> Matthew Chao >> >> At 11:53 AM 10/7/2011, you wrote: >>> lol. when I had the iphone3gs I went from 100 to dead in about 6 hours and that was with it doing nothing. Now I can just leave it locked when I'm sleepign and still stick at 100. Pluss I recalabrage my battery every month. >>> >>> Take care. >>> On Oct 6, 2011, at 8:37 PM, douglas rudolph wrote: >>> >>>> hey, really the iphone 4g, and 4s has a worse battery then the 3gs?.. for real?... i can get about 10 hours of moderate usage, if im only texting... if im using 3g or wifi, it will obviously decrease horribley, but still,.. wow >>>> This email may contain personal identifyable information. Copy, relay, redistributions, and or reading of these emails is strictly prohibited, unless you are the intended recipiant of this email, and this intended recipiant only. If this is not the intended recipiant, then you are requested to delete this message immediately and notify sender. >>>> Douglas Rudolph >>>> Tel: 1306-565-2056 >>>> Cell: 1306-450-0153 >>>> Email: doug.cam3 at gmail.com >>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "william lomas" >>>> To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" >>>> Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2011 5:34 PM >>>> Subject: Re: thoughts on iPhone 4S >>>> >>>> >>>>> the battery on iPhone 4 is also claimed i just read to be seven hours on 3g >>>>> ridiculous >>>>> so the 4s battery is no improvement even under best conditions one extra hour it is still 14 on gsm these claims do not hold true even with screen curtain etc. etc. etc. i only get 3 hours under 3g >>>>> >>>>> On Oct 6, 2011, at 10:19 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi >>>>>> >>>>>> !From what I remember from having an Apple headset with remote, holding down the play/pause button would trigger Voice Control. That functionality isn't going to be stripped out, so when that voice assistant launches, you can use it for the very same. >>>>>> >>>>>> Secondly, iOS 5 probably isn't going to run horribly fast on the 3GS, compared to the iPhone 4. For those running the 3GS, the 4S is definitely worth upgrading to because of the faster speed. If you already have the iPhone 4, while the 4S is supposedly twice as fast it'd probably still run fine, and if you don't need the camera or Siri then you might as well stick with what you have. >>>>>> >>>>>> Battery life hasn't been made worse because of the extra power, but reportedly better according to the event. More power doesn't necessarily equal sacrificing battery life whatsoever. While Apple can sometimes be a bit generous with their statistics, it's not entirely untrue that you can optimize battery life and pack more processing power into a device with reasonably good results if the chip itself is capable of reducing battery consumption. >>>>>> >>>>>> In any case, I'll be getting mine from Germany. Everything is hugely expensive here because of various tax rates as opposed to Germany, and Germany is getting it on the 14th. The huge benefit to the touchscreen devices is that, since the keyboard is intelligent, changing the keyboard layout gives you the keys that you need so you can potentially buy the phone from any country. >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards, >>>>>> Nic >>>>>> On Oct 6, 2011, at 7:33 AM, william lomas wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> hi what do people here think then of the iPhone 4s? anyone going to upgrade from the 4 if they have one? >>>>>>> to only get voice recognition a faster supposedly processor which will make battery life worse in my view these benchmarks are nothing to go buy and an eight mp camera when we have no OCR for it isn't worth it. >>>>>>> THe fact that the rest of IOS five can run well on a 3gs, or a 4, is testament to it but i would like siri on my phone why should i spend more money just to ge that? >>>>>>> all apple want is money I going to go i think with android next year >>>>>>> my upgrade is due next year not this. >>>>>>> if we can though use the apple remote and mike headphones to press a button and say, text lyn to say i am running late as we on the road that's great but if have to stop, take phone out pocket hold down a button and speak then put phone away and continue on route it is silly but i do want a faster way to type as texting take forever in my view on an ios device, but what are peoples thoughts? >>>>>>> maybe i am missing reasons to upgrade but the price is too high apple need to live in the real world we are in hard times, who wants to spend money on a phone that hardly offers anything new? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>>>>>> . >>>>>>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>>>> >>>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>>> >>>>>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>>>>> >>>>>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>>>>> . >>>>>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>>>> >>>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>>> >>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>> >>>>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>>>> >>>>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>>>> . >>>>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>>> >>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>>> >>>> >>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>>> >>>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>>> . >>>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>>> >>>> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>> >>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>> >>> >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>> >>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>> . >>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From n0oxy at charter.net Sat Oct 8 01:01:07 2011 From: n0oxy at charter.net (Mike Arrigo) Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2011 19:01:07 -0500 Subject: iPhone 4S cases. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6F698FCB-308C-4C42-8B0D-CD60EEEA7980@charter.net> I have heard that the cases are compatible, the thing is, the verizon version was a bit different I think, so I wonder which cases you would need to get On Oct 7, 2011, at 10:56 AM, Geoff Waaler wrote: > Greetings all, > > I read that all iPhone4 accessories are applicable for the 4S, however that seems inconsistent with information in the announcement regarding the 4s's larger camera aperture. > > Since my Otterbox defender has paid for itself several times over in terms of preventing damage to my 3GS, I want to order a case before my 4S arrives hopefully on the 14th. I heard and read in some reviews that the Otterbox case for the iPhone4 is not as protective as their 3GS version. So I'm left with two questions. > > 1. would a case built for the 4 be likely to cover part of the camera lens? If not, can anyone recommend a case that is protective and would not need to be removed in order to use the phone? > > TIA for any/all suggestions. > Geoff > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From annieskovnielsen at gmail.com Sat Oct 8 01:20:41 2011 From: annieskovnielsen at gmail.com (Annie Skov Nielsen) Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2011 02:20:41 +0200 Subject: A question about reading in adobe digital preview. Message-ID: <408603F8-A058-4667-8A61-D6F0F271313B@gmail.com> Hi. Really great with the adobe digital preview. But how do you in an easy way go to the next page. I have set up 2 active points. 1 where I will have to read and another at the next page button. I read that Esther and Anne could go to the next page by pressing the right arrow key, how can you do that. I can not figure that out. Best regards Annie. From geoff.waaler at gmail.com Sat Oct 8 01:59:22 2011 From: geoff.waaler at gmail.com (Geoff Waaler) Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2011 20:59:22 -0400 Subject: iPhone 4S cases. References: <6F698FCB-308C-4C42-8B0D-CD60EEEA7980@charter.net> Message-ID: <7ABFE3B0CC2A451DBAAAC79F0E9ED22F@YOURZ8KUJVJGKY> I heard that also, but it turns out to be false. Otterbox has a new model fitting the 4/4s, and an older one for the 4. It follows that a case containing a hole accommodating a slightly larger camera aperture would be backward compatible but not the other way around. Sadly Amazon doesn't appear to have anything for the 4S quite yet, so I'll bide my time. Best regards. Geoff ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike Arrigo To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility Sent: Friday, October 07, 2011 8:01 PM Subject: Re: iPhone 4S cases. I have heard that the cases are compatible, the thing is, the verizon version was a bit different I think, so I wonder which cases you would need to get On Oct 7, 2011, at 10:56 AM, Geoff Waaler wrote: > Greetings all, > > I read that all iPhone4 accessories are applicable for the 4S, however that seems inconsistent with information in the announcement regarding the 4s's larger camera aperture. > > Since my Otterbox defender has paid for itself several times over in terms of preventing damage to my 3GS, I want to order a case before my 4S arrives hopefully on the 14th. I heard and read in some reviews that the Otterbox case for the iPhone4 is not as protective as their 3GS version. So I'm left with two questions. > > 1. would a case built for the 4 be likely to cover part of the camera lens? If not, can anyone recommend a case that is protective and would not need to be removed in order to use the phone? > > TIA for any/all suggestions. > Geoff > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: or at the public Mail Archive: . Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From marrie12 at gmail.com Sat Oct 8 04:14:23 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2011 20:14:23 -0700 Subject: iPhone 4S cases. In-Reply-To: <7ABFE3B0CC2A451DBAAAC79F0E9ED22F@YOURZ8KUJVJGKY> References: <6F698FCB-308C-4C42-8B0D-CD60EEEA7980@charter.net> <7ABFE3B0CC2A451DBAAAC79F0E9ED22F@YOURZ8KUJVJGKY> Message-ID: lol.I love the otterbox cases and I'm gong ot wait until ebay comes out wiht an otterbox case for a 4s before I upgrade to a 4s in june. Take care all. On Oct 7, 2011, at 5:59 PM, Geoff Waaler wrote: > I heard that also, but it turns out to be false. Otterbox has a new model fitting the 4/4s, and an older one for the 4. It follows that a case containing a hole accommodating a slightly larger camera aperture would be backward compatible but not the other way around. Sadly Amazon doesn't appear to have anything for the 4S quite yet, so I'll bide my time. > > Best regards. > Geoff > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Mike Arrigo > To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility > Sent: Friday, October 07, 2011 8:01 PM > Subject: Re: iPhone 4S cases. > > > I have heard that the cases are compatible, the thing is, the verizon version was a bit different I think, so I wonder which cases you would need to get > On Oct 7, 2011, at 10:56 AM, Geoff Waaler wrote: > >> Greetings all, >> >> I read that all iPhone4 accessories are applicable for the 4S, however that seems inconsistent with information in the announcement regarding the 4s's larger camera aperture. >> >> Since my Otterbox defender has paid for itself several times over in terms of preventing damage to my 3GS, I want to order a case before my 4S arrives hopefully on the 14th. I heard and read in some reviews that the Otterbox case for the iPhone4 is not as protective as their 3GS version. So I'm left with two questions. >> >> 1. would a case built for the 4 be likely to cover part of the camera lens? If not, can anyone recommend a case that is protective and would not need to be removed in order to use the phone? >> >> TIA for any/all suggestions. >> Geoff >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From smur7241 at bigpond.net.au Sat Oct 8 06:18:23 2011 From: smur7241 at bigpond.net.au (Sean Murphy) Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2011 16:18:23 +1100 Subject: Creating Archives In-Reply-To: <4A9F9AE8-FC6A-4CBE-AFAD-67CD77C4844F@mac-access.net> References: <4A9F9AE8-FC6A-4CBE-AFAD-67CD77C4844F@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <9E3FE040-0071-41FF-B845-529E4412C3FB@bigpond.net.au> Hi I would suggest you use command line tools to achieve what you want. Such as star, zip, gip, find and xarg. The other option is to use an apple script and interact with the archive tool. Assuming it provides you with the ability of controlling your app via Apple script. by doing it via command line or script. You have finer control over what should be archived or not. By using find, you can tell it to find specific directories. Then pipe it to xarg which you can use this command to execute zip to compress the files and directories within the directory. The actual syntax I would have to play with to work out for you. I hope this helps. Sean From marrie12 at gmail.com Sat Oct 8 07:22:14 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2011 23:22:14 -0700 Subject: my python is crashing. Please if anyone can, help? Message-ID: What in a recent Mac OsLion update might cause the following line, which normally makes Python programs use 32-bit Python instead of 64-bit Python, no longer do anything as of a day or two ago: export VERSIONER_PYTHON_PREFER_32_BIT=yes From will.d.lomas at gmail.com Sat Oct 8 08:15:56 2011 From: will.d.lomas at gmail.com (william lomas) Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2011 08:15:56 +0100 Subject: thoughts on iPhone 4S In-Reply-To: References: <7F8843B0-7E29-44A1-B6D3-E4402EA82B53@gmail.com> <71B77D77F0CD430096FD463B2131A1AD@dougPC> <0LSP00JS8RYKX3J4@vms173013.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: still too expensive in the UK so i wait till next yea ran d buy one sim free when contract up I think just paying through the nose now for minutes and texts id on't use On Oct 8, 2011, at 12:46 AM, Sarah Alawami wrote: > Yep I do tht every month and it helps a lot for my battery life. and I'm not usually on the phoen for more then a few minutes not 12 hours like I was one time. I did cheat on that but i willnot tell you all how lol! > > Take care all. > On Oct 7, 2011, at 2:16 PM, william lomas wrote: > >> let it drain completely flat and then recharge completely to 100 >> >> On Oct 7, 2011, at 10:06 PM, Matthew Chao wrote: >> >>> How does one recalibrate the battery? >>> >>> Matthew Chao >>> >>> At 11:53 AM 10/7/2011, you wrote: >>>> lol. when I had the iphone3gs I went from 100 to dead in about 6 hours and that was with it doing nothing. Now I can just leave it locked when I'm sleepign and still stick at 100. Pluss I recalabrage my battery every month. >>>> >>>> Take care. >>>> On Oct 6, 2011, at 8:37 PM, douglas rudolph wrote: >>>> >>>>> hey, really the iphone 4g, and 4s has a worse battery then the 3gs?.. for real?... i can get about 10 hours of moderate usage, if im only texting... if im using 3g or wifi, it will obviously decrease horribley, but still,.. wow >>>>> This email may contain personal identifyable information. Copy, relay, redistributions, and or reading of these emails is strictly prohibited, unless you are the intended recipiant of this email, and this intended recipiant only. If this is not the intended recipiant, then you are requested to delete this message immediately and notify sender. >>>>> Douglas Rudolph >>>>> Tel: 1306-565-2056 >>>>> Cell: 1306-450-0153 >>>>> Email: doug.cam3 at gmail.com >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "william lomas" >>>>> To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" >>>>> Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2011 5:34 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: thoughts on iPhone 4S >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> the battery on iPhone 4 is also claimed i just read to be seven hours on 3g >>>>>> ridiculous >>>>>> so the 4s battery is no improvement even under best conditions one extra hour it is still 14 on gsm these claims do not hold true even with screen curtain etc. etc. etc. i only get 3 hours under 3g >>>>>> >>>>>> On Oct 6, 2011, at 10:19 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi >>>>>>> >>>>>>> !From what I remember from having an Apple headset with remote, holding down the play/pause button would trigger Voice Control. That functionality isn't going to be stripped out, so when that voice assistant launches, you can use it for the very same. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Secondly, iOS 5 probably isn't going to run horribly fast on the 3GS, compared to the iPhone 4. For those running the 3GS, the 4S is definitely worth upgrading to because of the faster speed. If you already have the iPhone 4, while the 4S is supposedly twice as fast it'd probably still run fine, and if you don't need the camera or Siri then you might as well stick with what you have. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Battery life hasn't been made worse because of the extra power, but reportedly better according to the event. More power doesn't necessarily equal sacrificing battery life whatsoever. While Apple can sometimes be a bit generous with their statistics, it's not entirely untrue that you can optimize battery life and pack more processing power into a device with reasonably good results if the chip itself is capable of reducing battery consumption. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> In any case, I'll be getting mine from Germany. Everything is hugely expensive here because of various tax rates as opposed to Germany, and Germany is getting it on the 14th. The huge benefit to the touchscreen devices is that, since the keyboard is intelligent, changing the keyboard layout gives you the keys that you need so you can potentially buy the phone from any country. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>> Nic >>>>>>> On Oct 6, 2011, at 7:33 AM, william lomas wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> hi what do people here think then of the iPhone 4s? anyone going to upgrade from the 4 if they have one? >>>>>>>> to only get voice recognition a faster supposedly processor which will make battery life worse in my view these benchmarks are nothing to go buy and an eight mp camera when we have no OCR for it isn't worth it. >>>>>>>> THe fact that the rest of IOS five can run well on a 3gs, or a 4, is testament to it but i would like siri on my phone why should i spend more money just to ge that? >>>>>>>> all apple want is money I going to go i think with android next year >>>>>>>> my upgrade is due next year not this. >>>>>>>> if we can though use the apple remote and mike headphones to press a button and say, text lyn to say i am running late as we on the road that's great but if have to stop, take phone out pocket hold down a button and speak then put phone away and continue on route it is silly but i do want a faster way to type as texting take forever in my view on an ios device, but what are peoples thoughts? >>>>>>>> maybe i am missing reasons to upgrade but the price is too high apple need to live in the real world we are in hard times, who wants to spend money on a phone that hardly offers anything new? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! 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>>>>>> >>>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>>> >>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>> >>>>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>>>> >>>>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>>>> . >>>>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>>> >>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>>> >>>> >>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>>> >>>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>>> . >>>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>>> >>>> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>> >>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>> >>> >>> >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>> >>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>> . >>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From chris.hallsworth at techno-chat.net Sat Oct 8 08:42:55 2011 From: chris.hallsworth at techno-chat.net (chris hallsworth) Date: Sat, 08 Oct 2011 08:42:55 +0100 Subject: iPhone 4s: even unlocked, you won't be network swapping this phone Message-ID: <4E8FFEFF.9000000@techno-chat.net> http://daggle.com/iphone-4s-unlocked-network-swapping-phone-2721#.To-Leka2FZc.twitter From chris.hallsworth at techno-chat.net Sat Oct 8 08:43:34 2011 From: chris.hallsworth at techno-chat.net (chris hallsworth) Date: Sat, 08 Oct 2011 08:43:34 +0100 Subject: Siri not coming to iPhone 4 or 3gs Message-ID: <4E8FFF26.8030400@techno-chat.net> http://tech-reviews.co.uk/news/siri-not-coming-to-iphone-4-or-iphone-3gs/ From chris.hallsworth at techno-chat.net Sat Oct 8 10:25:42 2011 From: chris.hallsworth at techno-chat.net (chris hallsworth) Date: Sat, 08 Oct 2011 10:25:42 +0100 Subject: iCloud and privacy Message-ID: <4E901716.8090509@techno-chat.net> I am thinking that iCloud may have an issue for some people for privacy. Is it likely we are forced to use iCloud or can we opt out at all? I'm ok about it since I wouldn't back up my debit card etc. Thanks! From will.d.lomas at gmail.com Sat Oct 8 10:33:00 2011 From: will.d.lomas at gmail.com (william lomas) Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2011 10:33:00 +0100 Subject: iCloud and privacy In-Reply-To: <4E901716.8090509@techno-chat.net> References: <4E901716.8090509@techno-chat.net> Message-ID: <1C2BE4BA-AD15-4F0F-A723-9CFE9386AB90@gmail.com> wonder how the music features work though is it lunched yet? well memorize your card details that safest option On Oct 8, 2011, at 10:25 AM, chris hallsworth wrote: > I am thinking that iCloud may have an issue for some people for privacy. Is it likely we are forced to use iCloud or can we opt out at all? I'm ok about it since I wouldn't back up my debit card etc. Thanks! > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From chris.hallsworth at techno-chat.net Sat Oct 8 11:03:23 2011 From: chris.hallsworth at techno-chat.net (chris hallsworth) Date: Sat, 08 Oct 2011 11:03:23 +0100 Subject: iCloud and privacy In-Reply-To: <1C2BE4BA-AD15-4F0F-A723-9CFE9386AB90@gmail.com> References: <4E901716.8090509@techno-chat.net> <1C2BE4BA-AD15-4F0F-A723-9CFE9386AB90@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4E901FEB.1070001@techno-chat.net> Lol that's what I do anyway. Yes the music match sounds interesting. On 08/10/2011 10:33, william lomas wrote: > wonder how the music features work though > is it lunched yet? > well memorize your card details that safest option > > On Oct 8, 2011, at 10:25 AM, chris hallsworth wrote: > >> I am thinking that iCloud may have an issue for some people for privacy. Is it likely we are forced to use iCloud or can we opt out at all? I'm ok about it since I wouldn't back up my debit card etc. Thanks! >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > > From chris.hallsworth at techno-chat.net Sat Oct 8 12:44:42 2011 From: chris.hallsworth at techno-chat.net (chris hallsworth) Date: Sat, 08 Oct 2011 12:44:42 +0100 Subject: Question about restoring iPod Message-ID: <4E9037AA.40400@techno-chat.net> Should I wish to restore my iPod for some reason, will I get VoiceOver back automatically or do I have to go through the configure universal access dialogue in iTunes? What about if I reset my iPod from the settings, general, reset feature? Thanks! From hopewell at hopewell.org.uk Sat Oct 8 13:37:42 2011 From: hopewell at hopewell.org.uk (Paul Hopewell) Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2011 13:37:42 +0100 Subject: DropBox on Lion Message-ID: <81DE4A2E-1F38-450E-A034-B8312623AD0E@hopewell.org.uk> Hello, I am trying to install the latest beta of dropbox which I understand works on Lion. I am running Lion 10.7.1. I see from other posts that others have got this to work. How can I tell if the correct version of dropbox is installed? I expect to be able to modify dropbox preferences and to acquire links to items in the dropbox public folder which I can include in Emails. I expect to be able to do this within Lion without having to open Safari and logon to my dropbox userid. Should the above all work and if so how do I do the above? I did find it tricky to locate the latest dropbox beta and may have gone wrong and installed an obsolete beta. Best regards.... Paul Hopewell From will.d.lomas at gmail.com Sat Oct 8 13:39:33 2011 From: will.d.lomas at gmail.com (william lomas) Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2011 13:39:33 +0100 Subject: is the iPhone 4s worth it? Message-ID: <57642C6C-DE8A-41B1-BC0B-D2995DA4525D@gmail.com> http://www.appolicious.com/tech/articles/9709-is-the-iphone-4s-worth-buying From anne at anarchie.org.uk Sat Oct 8 13:43:03 2011 From: anne at anarchie.org.uk (Anne Robertson) Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2011 14:43:03 +0200 Subject: A question about reading in adobe digital preview. In-Reply-To: <408603F8-A058-4667-8A61-D6F0F271313B@gmail.com> References: <408603F8-A058-4667-8A61-D6F0F271313B@gmail.com> Message-ID: <494F7CF9-BE88-4B8D-B3D5-C731EE96BBE3@anarchie.org.uk> Hello Annie, I don't know whether this will work for you, but if I go to first visible item, then navigate down to the text, pressing the left or right arrow key will take me to the previous or next page. I do not have Quick Nav on. Cheers, Anne On 8 Oct 2011, at 02:20, Annie Skov Nielsen wrote: > Hi. > > Really great with the adobe digital preview. > > But how do you in an easy way go to the next page. I have set up 2 active points. 1 where I will have to read and another at the next page button. > > I read that Esther and Anne could go to the next page by pressing the right arrow key, how can you do that. I can not figure that out. > > Best regards Annie. > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From anne at anarchie.org.uk Sat Oct 8 14:12:34 2011 From: anne at anarchie.org.uk (Anne Robertson) Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2011 15:12:34 +0200 Subject: Lion Trouble In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <741FF38B-AF01-43B8-9219-AD76BFD3FE1C@anarchie.org.uk> Hello Jane, On 8 Oct 2011, at 00:45, Jane wrote: > I was trying (again) to authorize this computer to play Audible content after doing a repair disc permissions. It STILL says I don't have enough privilidges to authorize, but I KNOW this is set as an admin account. What other option do I have before I have to either give up or somehow find a way to archive and re-install? > I wonder if this might help. The information comes from the Audible site and it solved my authorisation problems. Cheers, Anne Activation Loop (MAC) I am using a Mac. Every time I quit iTunes or reboot my computer, when I attempt to play one of my Audible titles I am prompted for my username and password. This occurs even though I was able to play my Audible titles before I quit iTunes or rebooted my computer. In addition every time I sync my iPod, iPod Touch, iPhone, or iPad with iTunes, all of my Audible titles are removed from my device until I authorize my computer again. Resolution: When activating your Audible account for iTunes on a Mac operating system, it is recommended that you log in to your computer as a user with administrative privileges. Once you activate your Audible account for iTunes on your Mac you can login to a user with non administrative privileges to listen to your downloaded Audible content or to transfer to your Apple Device. To activate your Audible account for iTunes on the Mac operating system simply attempt to play one of your downloaded Audible titles in iTunes. If your Audible account is not yet activated on the computer you will be prompted to enter in your Audible username and password for the title you are trying to play. Simply enter in your Audible username and password and select OK . Note: You must be connected to the Internet during this process. Step 1. First, Quit iTunes ( iTunes menu > Quit iTunes ) . Step 2. Browse to the following location on the computer: MAC Hard Drive > Library > Preferences Step 3. Press CTRL and click the mouse button on the folder, Preferences , and select Get Info . Step 4. Ensure that the Privileges for all the Names under Sharing & Permissions are set to Read & Write . Note: You may have to select the lock in the lower right hand corner and enter in the administrative password before you are able to change the Permissions. Step 5. Launch iTunes and attempt to play one of your Audible titles. When prompted to activate simply enter in your Audible username and password for that title and select OK . Once the activation window goes away and the title starts playing, pause the title. Step 6. With iTunes still open, browse to the following location on the computer: MAC Hard Drive > Library > Preferences Step 7. In the Preferences folder will be a file called com.audible.data.plist. Press CTRL and click the mouse button on the file, com.audible.data.plist , and select Get Info . Step 8. Ensure that the Privileges for all the Names under Sharing & Permissions are set to Read & Write . Note: You may have to select the lock in the lower right hand corner and enter in the administrative password before you are able to change the Permissions. Step 9. Quit iTunes, then relaunch iTunes, and attempt to play an Audible title. If the title starts playing you will no longer have to authorize your Audible account each time you quit iTunes or reboot your computer. If you are still prompted for your Audible username and password, proceed to the next step. Step 10. Quit iTunes and browse to the following location on the computer: MAC Hard Drive > Library > Preferences Step 11. In the Preferences folder delete the file com.audible.data.plist . Step 12. Launch iTunes again and attempt to play an Audible title. When prompted to activate simply enter in your Audible username and password and select OK. Once the activation window goes away and the title starts playing, quit iTunes. Launch iTunes again and attempt to play the same Audible title. You will now be able to play your Audible content without being prompted for authorization each time. From tsiegel at softcon.com Sat Oct 8 15:11:30 2011 From: tsiegel at softcon.com (Travis Siegel) Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2011 10:11:30 -0400 Subject: EPub.. In-Reply-To: <4F46A9D3-1384-4FF5-AA2A-3B3213EF849E@computing.dcu.ie> References: <4F46A9D3-1384-4FF5-AA2A-3B3213EF849E@computing.dcu.ie> Message-ID: <1E84A70C-9613-4256-8EDF-5B84B63C8F4A@softcon.com> I don't use the epub files directly. I extract them (they're just zip files) and use safari to read the embeded html files. :) One of these days I may find an epub reader I actually like, but until I do, this method works for me. hth. From orin8722 at gmail.com Sat Oct 8 15:26:46 2011 From: orin8722 at gmail.com (Orin) Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2011 10:26:46 -0400 Subject: EPub.. In-Reply-To: <1E84A70C-9613-4256-8EDF-5B84B63C8F4A@softcon.com> References: <4F46A9D3-1384-4FF5-AA2A-3B3213EF849E@computing.dcu.ie> <1E84A70C-9613-4256-8EDF-5B84B63C8F4A@softcon.com> Message-ID: Just curious, but how do you go about extracting the HTML files? This'd be useful. Orin orin8722 at gmail.com Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/orinks Skype: orin1112 On Oct 8, 2011, at 10:11 AM, Travis Siegel wrote: > I don't use the epub files directly. I extract them (they're just zip files) and use safari to read the embeded html files. :) > One of these days I may find an epub reader I actually like, but until I do, this method works for me. > hth. > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From geoff.waaler at gmail.com Sat Oct 8 15:32:39 2011 From: geoff.waaler at gmail.com (Geoff Waaler) Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2011 10:32:39 -0400 Subject: is the iPhone 4s worth it? References: <57642C6C-DE8A-41B1-BC0B-D2995DA4525D@gmail.com> Message-ID: <3D36AE3F111849B98B44DDB63D476FEC@YOURZ8KUJVJGKY> I'm very puzzled by a lot of the negative reaction to the 4S and suspect that many who are now mashing their teeth would have been singing Apple's praises had they announced an identical device, but instead named it the iPhone 5?!?! Frankly the specs mostly conform to the iPhone 5 roomers when these very people were counting down the days to Apple's iPhone 5 unveiling, and couldn't wait to get their hands on one. It wasn't anticipated that this model would add LTE support, and it didn't. Perhaps my perspective is different since I have a 3GS and am upgrade eligible, but I preordered my 64 GB 4S as soon as it was possible at ohh Dark hundred Friday morning and am anxiously awaiting its arrival!! If I already had a 4 and was not yet eligible for a carrier subsidized upgrade, I suspect I would have still been tempted by the 4S improvements, but probably would not have taken the leap. The following article entitled "why the iPhone 4S critics are wrong, wrong, wrong" presents an interesting counter argument to the source sited below: http://blogs.computerworld.com/19049/why_the_iphone_4s_critics_are_wrong_wrong_wrong Best regards, Geoff ----- Original Message ----- From: william lomas To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility Sent: Saturday, October 08, 2011 8:39 AM Subject: is the iPhone 4s worth it? http://www.appolicious.com/tech/articles/9709-is-the-iphone-4s-worth-buying <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: or at the public Mail Archive: . Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From grtdane at internode.on.net Sat Oct 8 15:52:13 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Sun, 09 Oct 2011 01:52:13 +1100 Subject: is the iPhone 4s worth it? In-Reply-To: <3D36AE3F111849B98B44DDB63D476FEC@YOURZ8KUJVJGKY> References: <57642C6C-DE8A-41B1-BC0B-D2995DA4525D@gmail.com> <3D36AE3F111849B98B44DDB63D476FEC@YOURZ8KUJVJGKY> Message-ID: <4E90639D.5090205@internode.on.net> Well you know how it is, just a lot of noise about nothing really. Frankly those who have speculated about the next Iphone have been guessing and this is precisely the reason why I don't take much notice of anyone's speculation about a product until its actually released. I have no problem with the Iphone 4S or whatever its called, s stands for speed and the 4S is faster than the 4 just as the 3GS was faster than the 3G. What it means to me personally is that I now get an Iphone 4 to replace my Iphone 3GS at a bargain price which is exactly what I've been waiting for. On 9/10/2011 1:32 AM, Geoff Waaler wrote: > I'm very puzzled by a lot of the negative reaction to the 4S and suspect that many who are now mashing their teeth would have been singing Apple's praises had they announced an identical device, but instead named it the iPhone 5?!?! Frankly the specs mostly conform to the iPhone 5 roomers when these very people were counting down the days to Apple's iPhone 5 unveiling, and couldn't wait to get their hands on one. It wasn't anticipated that this model would add LTE support, and it didn't. Perhaps my perspective is different since I have a 3GS and am upgrade eligible, but I preordered my 64 GB 4S as soon as it was possible at ohh Dark hundred Friday morning and am anxiously awaiting its arrival!! If I already had a 4 and was not yet eligible for a carrier subsidized upgrade, I suspect I would have still been tempted by the 4S improvements, but probably would not have taken the leap. > > The following article entitled "why the iPhone 4S critics are wrong, wrong, wrong" presents an interesting counter argument to the source sited below: > > http://blogs.computerworld.com/19049/why_the_iphone_4s_critics_are_wrong_wrong_wrong > > Best regards, > Geoff > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: william lomas > To: Mac OSX& iOS Accessibility > Sent: Saturday, October 08, 2011 8:39 AM > Subject: is the iPhone 4s worth it? > > > http://www.appolicious.com/tech/articles/9709-is-the-iphone-4s-worth-buying > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > -- Dane Trethowan Sending email from his EEEPC Netbook From james.austin at mac-access.net Sat Oct 8 15:55:02 2011 From: james.austin at mac-access.net (James AUSTIN) Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2011 15:55:02 +0100 Subject: EPub.. In-Reply-To: <1E84A70C-9613-4256-8EDF-5B84B63C8F4A@softcon.com> References: <4F46A9D3-1384-4FF5-AA2A-3B3213EF849E@computing.dcu.ie> <1E84A70C-9613-4256-8EDF-5B84B63C8F4A@softcon.com> Message-ID: <77332685-7393-41B2-A89E-C0A2181D44E3@mac-access.net> Hi Travis, How do you do this? I'm guessing you do this with the Terminal's Unzip command is that right? Does this work with DRM Epub books, such as those from Adobe? Thanks TC :) James On 8 Oct 2011, at 15:11, Travis Siegel wrote: > I don't use the epub files directly. I extract them (they're just zip files) and use safari to read the embeded html files. :) > One of these days I may find an epub reader I actually like, but until I do, this method works for me. > hth. > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From james.austin at mac-access.net Sat Oct 8 15:59:07 2011 From: james.austin at mac-access.net (James AUSTIN) Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2011 15:59:07 +0100 Subject: is the iPhone 4s worth it? In-Reply-To: <3D36AE3F111849B98B44DDB63D476FEC@YOURZ8KUJVJGKY> References: <57642C6C-DE8A-41B1-BC0B-D2995DA4525D@gmail.com> <3D36AE3F111849B98B44DDB63D476FEC@YOURZ8KUJVJGKY> Message-ID: <38729F00-51C9-403C-8686-94BDA9A267FC@mac-access.net> Hi Geoff This subject line is very subjective. I suspect you're right. Personally, I was quite unimpressed with the keynote, and when the iPhone 4S was announced, you could almost hear the collective sighs of disappointment. It strikes as very strange, that so many people are criticising the iPhone 4S, particularly as no-one has one yet. As you said, if they had called this the "iPhone 5", we might not be seeing such discontent. TC :) James On 8 Oct 2011, at 15:32, Geoff Waaler wrote: > I'm very puzzled by a lot of the negative reaction to the 4S and suspect that many who are now mashing their teeth would have been singing Apple's praises had they announced an identical device, but instead named it the iPhone 5?!?! Frankly the specs mostly conform to the iPhone 5 roomers when these very people were counting down the days to Apple's iPhone 5 unveiling, and couldn't wait to get their hands on one. It wasn't anticipated that this model would add LTE support, and it didn't. Perhaps my perspective is different since I have a 3GS and am upgrade eligible, but I preordered my 64 GB 4S as soon as it was possible at ohh Dark hundred Friday morning and am anxiously awaiting its arrival!! If I already had a 4 and was not yet eligible for a carrier subsidized upgrade, I suspect I would have still been tempted by the 4S improvements, but probably would not have taken the leap. > > The following article entitled "why the iPhone 4S critics are wrong, wrong, wrong" presents an interesting counter argument to the source sited below: > > http://blogs.computerworld.com/19049/why_the_iphone_4s_critics_are_wrong_wrong_wrong > > Best regards, > Geoff > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: william lomas > To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility > Sent: Saturday, October 08, 2011 8:39 AM > Subject: is the iPhone 4s worth it? > > > http://www.appolicious.com/tech/articles/9709-is-the-iphone-4s-worth-buying > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From gordonkeen at googlemail.com Sat Oct 8 16:05:19 2011 From: gordonkeen at googlemail.com (Gordon Keen) Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2011 16:05:19 +0100 Subject: EPub.. In-Reply-To: <77332685-7393-41B2-A89E-C0A2181D44E3@mac-access.net> References: <4F46A9D3-1384-4FF5-AA2A-3B3213EF849E@computing.dcu.ie> <1E84A70C-9613-4256-8EDF-5B84B63C8F4A@softcon.com> <77332685-7393-41B2-A89E-C0A2181D44E3@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <69922060-C05D-44E3-80FD-B02DF9A25BA8@googlemail.com> When I was forced to use the dark side Just changing the file extension to .zip and using winzip did the job. Now I just use an on line file convertor to convert them to .pdf for me, that's the way I like to read them. What's that old saying about cats, their skin and how many ways there were of extracting it? :-) Cheers G From Bridgerule in glorious Devon, England. On 8 Oct 2011, at 15:55, James AUSTIN wrote: > Hi Travis, > > How do you do this? I'm guessing you do this with the Terminal's Unzip command is that right? Does this work with DRM Epub books, such as those from Adobe? > From gordonkeen at googlemail.com Sat Oct 8 16:13:13 2011 From: gordonkeen at googlemail.com (Gordon Keen) Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2011 16:13:13 +0100 Subject: Online ebook converter Message-ID: <7449AD47-C1F2-4088-B39C-FF6B9F5EA81B@googlemail.com> Hi Here's a handy site for converting ebooks etc to your preferred formats. http://ebook.online-convert.com/ hth G From Bridgerule in glorious Devon, England. From mattchao at verizon.net Sat Oct 8 16:39:01 2011 From: mattchao at verizon.net (Matthew Chao) Date: Sat, 08 Oct 2011 11:39:01 -0400 Subject: vo-f5 Message-ID: <0LSR002PO7H3KPLY@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net> Hi, Folks! If vo-f5 syncs vo with the mouse, will pressing it again bring it bac to vo and keyboard? I ask this because I need to double-click in Fusion to upgrade. Thanks. Matthew Chao From marrie12 at gmail.com Sat Oct 8 17:13:26 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2011 09:13:26 -0700 Subject: DropBox on Lion In-Reply-To: <81DE4A2E-1F38-450E-A034-B8312623AD0E@hopewell.org.uk> References: <81DE4A2E-1F38-450E-A034-B8312623AD0E@hopewell.org.uk> Message-ID: You are not going to modify prefs as apple broke voice over for that. but you always have been able to control click the file in public and then go to dropbox and choose copy public link even in snl. Just install by running that dropbox thing in the .app file by control clicking it and then go to show package contents then navagate to /contents/MacOS and running the dropbox file. this will open up terminal prompt and then you wait for the installer. Take care. On Oct 8, 2011, at 5:37 AM, Paul Hopewell wrote: > Hello, > I am trying to install the latest beta of dropbox which I understand works on Lion. I am running Lion 10.7.1. I see from other posts that others have got this to work. > > How can I tell if the correct version of dropbox is installed? I expect to be able to modify dropbox preferences and to acquire links to items in the dropbox public folder which I can include in Emails. I expect to be able to do this within Lion without having to open Safari and logon to my dropbox userid. > > Should the above all work and if so how do I do the above? I did find it tricky to locate the latest dropbox beta and may have gone wrong and installed an obsolete beta. > > Best regards.... > > Paul Hopewell > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From jpanarese at mac-access.net Sat Oct 8 17:13:32 2011 From: jpanarese at mac-access.net (John Panarese) Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2011 12:13:32 -0400 Subject: is the iPhone 4s worth it? In-Reply-To: <3D36AE3F111849B98B44DDB63D476FEC@YOURZ8KUJVJGKY> References: <57642C6C-DE8A-41B1-BC0B-D2995DA4525D@gmail.com> <3D36AE3F111849B98B44DDB63D476FEC@YOURZ8KUJVJGKY> Message-ID: <2447D2D5-E782-4873-89A8-A54781DF9598@mac-access.net> Absolutely, Jeff. This is exactly why we are getting the negativity. This is what happens when rumors run amuck and people buy into them. I ordered my 4S without reservations or any apprehensions. The camera, Siri and the better processor are simply worth the money to me. Take Care John Panarese jpanarese at mac-access.net On Oct 8, 2011, at 10:32 AM, Geoff Waaler wrote: > I'm very puzzled by a lot of the negative reaction to the 4S and suspect that many who are now mashing their teeth would have been singing Apple's praises had they announced an identical device, but instead named it the iPhone 5?!?! Frankly the specs mostly conform to the iPhone 5 roomers when these very people were counting down the days to Apple's iPhone 5 unveiling, and couldn't wait to get their hands on one. It wasn't anticipated that this model would add LTE support, and it didn't. Perhaps my perspective is different since I have a 3GS and am upgrade eligible, but I preordered my 64 GB 4S as soon as it was possible at ohh Dark hundred Friday morning and am anxiously awaiting its arrival!! If I already had a 4 and was not yet eligible for a carrier subsidized upgrade, I suspect I would have still been tempted by the 4S improvements, but probably would not have taken the leap. > > The following article entitled "why the iPhone 4S critics are wrong, wrong, wrong" presents an interesting counter argument to the source sited below: > > http://blogs.computerworld.com/19049/why_the_iphone_4s_critics_are_wrong_wrong_wrong > > Best regards, > Geoff > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: william lomas > To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility > Sent: Saturday, October 08, 2011 8:39 AM > Subject: is the iPhone 4s worth it? > > > http://www.appolicious.com/tech/articles/9709-is-the-iphone-4s-worth-buying > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From will.d.lomas at gmail.com Sat Oct 8 17:18:50 2011 From: will.d.lomas at gmail.com (william lomas) Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2011 17:18:50 +0100 Subject: is the iPhone 4s worth it? In-Reply-To: <2447D2D5-E782-4873-89A8-A54781DF9598@mac-access.net> References: <57642C6C-DE8A-41B1-BC0B-D2995DA4525D@gmail.com> <3D36AE3F111849B98B44DDB63D476FEC@YOURZ8KUJVJGKY> <2447D2D5-E782-4873-89A8-A54781DF9598@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <954406FD-9857-4104-B143-03B1978C2315@gmail.com> hope we do in general get a good OCR program though otherwise how can a camera ne worth it for blind users? On Oct 8, 2011, at 5:13 PM, John Panarese wrote: > Absolutely, Jeff. This is exactly why we are getting the negativity. This is what happens when rumors run amuck and people buy into them. I ordered my 4S without reservations or any apprehensions. The camera, Siri and the better processor are simply worth the money to me. > > Take Care > John Panarese > jpanarese at mac-access.net > > > > On Oct 8, 2011, at 10:32 AM, Geoff Waaler wrote: > >> I'm very puzzled by a lot of the negative reaction to the 4S and suspect that many who are now mashing their teeth would have been singing Apple's praises had they announced an identical device, but instead named it the iPhone 5?!?! Frankly the specs mostly conform to the iPhone 5 roomers when these very people were counting down the days to Apple's iPhone 5 unveiling, and couldn't wait to get their hands on one. It wasn't anticipated that this model would add LTE support, and it didn't. Perhaps my perspective is different since I have a 3GS and am upgrade eligible, but I preordered my 64 GB 4S as soon as it was possible at ohh Dark hundred Friday morning and am anxiously awaiting its arrival!! If I already had a 4 and was not yet eligible for a carrier subsidized upgrade, I suspect I would have still been tempted by the 4S improvements, but probably would not have taken the leap. >> >> The following article entitled "why the iPhone 4S critics are wrong, wrong, wrong" presents an interesting counter argument to the source sited below: >> >> http://blogs.computerworld.com/19049/why_the_iphone_4s_critics_are_wrong_wrong_wrong >> >> Best regards, >> Geoff >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: william lomas >> To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility >> Sent: Saturday, October 08, 2011 8:39 AM >> Subject: is the iPhone 4s worth it? >> >> >> http://www.appolicious.com/tech/articles/9709-is-the-iphone-4s-worth-buying >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From james.austin at mac-access.net Sat Oct 8 17:40:15 2011 From: james.austin at mac-access.net (James AUSTIN) Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2011 17:40:15 +0100 Subject: is the iPhone 4s worth it? In-Reply-To: <954406FD-9857-4104-B143-03B1978C2315@gmail.com> References: <57642C6C-DE8A-41B1-BC0B-D2995DA4525D@gmail.com> <3D36AE3F111849B98B44DDB63D476FEC@YOURZ8KUJVJGKY> <2447D2D5-E782-4873-89A8-A54781DF9598@mac-access.net> <954406FD-9857-4104-B143-03B1978C2315@gmail.com> Message-ID: Some people like to have photographs to hare with their families and friends. Just because we cannot enjoy them doesn't mean we should not take them. Although taking them can be very hit and mis of course. TC :) James On 8 Oct 2011, at 17:18, william lomas wrote: > hope we do in general get a good OCR program though otherwise how can a camera ne worth it for blind users? > > On Oct 8, 2011, at 5:13 PM, John Panarese wrote: > >> Absolutely, Jeff. This is exactly why we are getting the negativity. This is what happens when rumors run amuck and people buy into them. I ordered my 4S without reservations or any apprehensions. The camera, Siri and the better processor are simply worth the money to me. >> >> Take Care >> John Panarese >> jpanarese at mac-access.net >> >> >> >> On Oct 8, 2011, at 10:32 AM, Geoff Waaler wrote: >> >>> I'm very puzzled by a lot of the negative reaction to the 4S and suspect that many who are now mashing their teeth would have been singing Apple's praises had they announced an identical device, but instead named it the iPhone 5?!?! Frankly the specs mostly conform to the iPhone 5 roomers when these very people were counting down the days to Apple's iPhone 5 unveiling, and couldn't wait to get their hands on one. It wasn't anticipated that this model would add LTE support, and it didn't. Perhaps my perspective is different since I have a 3GS and am upgrade eligible, but I preordered my 64 GB 4S as soon as it was possible at ohh Dark hundred Friday morning and am anxiously awaiting its arrival!! If I already had a 4 and was not yet eligible for a carrier subsidized upgrade, I suspect I would have still been tempted by the 4S improvements, but probably would not have taken the leap. >>> >>> The following article entitled "why the iPhone 4S critics are wrong, wrong, wrong" presents an interesting counter argument to the source sited below: >>> >>> http://blogs.computerworld.com/19049/why_the_iphone_4s_critics_are_wrong_wrong_wrong >>> >>> Best regards, >>> Geoff >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: william lomas >>> To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility >>> Sent: Saturday, October 08, 2011 8:39 AM >>> Subject: is the iPhone 4s worth it? >>> >>> >>> http://www.appolicious.com/tech/articles/9709-is-the-iphone-4s-worth-buying >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>> >>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>> . >>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>> >>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>> . >>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From chris.hallsworth at techno-chat.net Sat Oct 8 17:45:41 2011 From: chris.hallsworth at techno-chat.net (chris hallsworth) Date: Sat, 08 Oct 2011 17:45:41 +0100 Subject: is the iPhone 4s worth it? In-Reply-To: <954406FD-9857-4104-B143-03B1978C2315@gmail.com> References: <57642C6C-DE8A-41B1-BC0B-D2995DA4525D@gmail.com> <3D36AE3F111849B98B44DDB63D476FEC@YOURZ8KUJVJGKY> <2447D2D5-E782-4873-89A8-A54781DF9598@mac-access.net> <954406FD-9857-4104-B143-03B1978C2315@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4E907E35.3080505@techno-chat.net> It is worth it because as far as I am concerned why should a blind person be excluded from taking photos or recording video. Just some thoughts. On 08/10/2011 17:18, william lomas wrote: > hope we do in general get a good OCR program though otherwise how can a camera ne worth it for blind users? > > On Oct 8, 2011, at 5:13 PM, John Panarese wrote: > >> Absolutely, Jeff. This is exactly why we are getting the negativity. This is what happens when rumors run amuck and people buy into them. I ordered my 4S without reservations or any apprehensions. The camera, Siri and the better processor are simply worth the money to me. >> >> Take Care >> John Panarese >> jpanarese at mac-access.net >> >> >> >> On Oct 8, 2011, at 10:32 AM, Geoff Waaler wrote: >> >>> I'm very puzzled by a lot of the negative reaction to the 4S and suspect that many who are now mashing their teeth would have been singing Apple's praises had they announced an identical device, but instead named it the iPhone 5?!?! Frankly the specs mostly conform to the iPhone 5 roomers when these very people were counting down the days to Apple's iPhone 5 unveiling, and couldn't wait to get their hands on one. It wasn't anticipated that this model would add LTE support, and it didn't. Perhaps my perspective is different since I have a 3GS and am upgrade eligible, but I preordered my 64 GB 4S as soon as it was possible at ohh Dark hundred Friday morning and am anxiously awaiting its arrival!! If I already had a 4 and was not yet eligible for a carrier subsidized upgrade, I suspect I would have still been tempted by the 4S improvements, but probably would not have taken the leap. >>> >>> The following article entitled "why the iPhone 4S critics are wrong, wrong, wrong" presents an interesting counter argument to the source sited below: >>> >>> http://blogs.computerworld.com/19049/why_the_iphone_4s_critics_are_wrong_wrong_wrong >>> >>> Best regards, >>> Geoff >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: william lomas >>> To: Mac OSX& iOS Accessibility >>> Sent: Saturday, October 08, 2011 8:39 AM >>> Subject: is the iPhone 4s worth it? >>> >>> >>> http://www.appolicious.com/tech/articles/9709-is-the-iphone-4s-worth-buying >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>> >>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>> . >>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>> >>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>> . >>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > > From marrie12 at gmail.com Sat Oct 8 17:50:33 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2011 09:50:33 -0700 Subject: is the iPhone 4s worth it? In-Reply-To: References: <57642C6C-DE8A-41B1-BC0B-D2995DA4525D@gmail.com> <3D36AE3F111849B98B44DDB63D476FEC@YOURZ8KUJVJGKY> <2447D2D5-E782-4873-89A8-A54781DF9598@mac-access.net> <954406FD-9857-4104-B143-03B1978C2315@gmail.com> Message-ID: I think wiht th faces detection and I'm not sure how that owuld work with vo if at all but if it did that would make it a bit easier to snap pics.I have a few on my facebook that I took and my sighted friends can't believe it lol! On Oct 8, 2011, at 9:40 AM, James AUSTIN wrote: > Some people like to have photographs to hare with their families and friends. Just because we cannot enjoy them doesn't mean we should not take them. Although taking them can be very hit and mis of course. > > TC :) > James > On 8 Oct 2011, at 17:18, william lomas wrote: > >> hope we do in general get a good OCR program though otherwise how can a camera ne worth it for blind users? >> >> On Oct 8, 2011, at 5:13 PM, John Panarese wrote: >> >>> Absolutely, Jeff. This is exactly why we are getting the negativity. This is what happens when rumors run amuck and people buy into them. I ordered my 4S without reservations or any apprehensions. The camera, Siri and the better processor are simply worth the money to me. >>> >>> Take Care >>> John Panarese >>> jpanarese at mac-access.net >>> >>> >>> >>> On Oct 8, 2011, at 10:32 AM, Geoff Waaler wrote: >>> >>>> I'm very puzzled by a lot of the negative reaction to the 4S and suspect that many who are now mashing their teeth would have been singing Apple's praises had they announced an identical device, but instead named it the iPhone 5?!?! Frankly the specs mostly conform to the iPhone 5 roomers when these very people were counting down the days to Apple's iPhone 5 unveiling, and couldn't wait to get their hands on one. It wasn't anticipated that this model would add LTE support, and it didn't. Perhaps my perspective is different since I have a 3GS and am upgrade eligible, but I preordered my 64 GB 4S as soon as it was possible at ohh Dark hundred Friday morning and am anxiously awaiting its arrival!! If I already had a 4 and was not yet eligible for a carrier subsidized upgrade, I suspect I would have still been tempted by the 4S improvements, but probably would not have taken the leap. >>>> >>>> The following article entitled "why the iPhone 4S critics are wrong, wrong, wrong" presents an interesting counter argument to the source sited below: >>>> >>>> http://blogs.computerworld.com/19049/why_the_iphone_4s_critics_are_wrong_wrong_wrong >>>> >>>> Best regards, >>>> Geoff >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: william lomas >>>> To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility >>>> Sent: Saturday, October 08, 2011 8:39 AM >>>> Subject: is the iPhone 4s worth it? >>>> >>>> >>>> http://www.appolicious.com/tech/articles/9709-is-the-iphone-4s-worth-buying >>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>>> >>>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>>> . >>>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>>> >>>> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>> >>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>> >>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>>> >>>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>>> . >>>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>>> >>>> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>> >>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>> >>> >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>> >>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>> . >>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From marrie12 at gmail.com Sat Oct 8 17:52:01 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2011 09:52:01 -0700 Subject: vo-f5 In-Reply-To: <0LSR002PO7H3KPLY@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net> References: <0LSR002PO7H3KPLY@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <796AD342-A60B-41DE-B378-2640E4A47202@gmail.com> vo f5 is always and will always be a toggle. but remember to hit cmd and ctrl before you hit it again to bring it back. Actually if you want to go to fusion then go there turn off vo and then once your operating system loads hit cmd g. Take care On Oct 8, 2011, at 8:39 AM, Matthew Chao wrote: > Hi, Folks! If vo-f5 syncs vo with the mouse, will pressing it again bring it bac to vo and keyboard? I ask this because I need to double-click in Fusion to upgrade. Thanks. > > Matthew Chao > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From motten53 at gmail.com Sat Oct 8 18:11:55 2011 From: motten53 at gmail.com (Mary Otten) Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2011 10:11:55 -0700 Subject: Online ebook converter In-Reply-To: <7449AD47-C1F2-4088-B39C-FF6B9F5EA81B@googlemail.com> References: <7449AD47-C1F2-4088-B39C-FF6B9F5EA81B@googlemail.com> Message-ID: <5DFC131A-C1D6-46E7-B5D7-98222E19FB4E@gmail.com> Hi Gordon, Am I correct in supposing that the online book conversion site will not deal with books that have drm such as Kindle? Mary Mary Otten motten53 at gmail.com From chris.hallsworth at techno-chat.net Sat Oct 8 18:14:37 2011 From: chris.hallsworth at techno-chat.net (chris hallsworth) Date: Sat, 08 Oct 2011 18:14:37 +0100 Subject: is the iPhone 4s worth it? In-Reply-To: References: <57642C6C-DE8A-41B1-BC0B-D2995DA4525D@gmail.com> <3D36AE3F111849B98B44DDB63D476FEC@YOURZ8KUJVJGKY> <2447D2D5-E782-4873-89A8-A54781DF9598@mac-access.net> <954406FD-9857-4104-B143-03B1978C2315@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4E9084FD.7020006@techno-chat.net> Lol don't think sighted people can believe we can use an iDevice in the first place. On 08/10/2011 17:50, Sarah Alawami wrote: > I think wiht th faces detection and I'm not sure how that owuld work with vo if at all but if it did that would make it a bit easier to snap pics.I have a few on my facebook that I took and my sighted friends can't believe it lol! > On Oct 8, 2011, at 9:40 AM, James AUSTIN wrote: > >> Some people like to have photographs to hare with their families and friends. Just because we cannot enjoy them doesn't mean we should not take them. Although taking them can be very hit and mis of course. >> >> TC :) >> James >> On 8 Oct 2011, at 17:18, william lomas wrote: >> >>> hope we do in general get a good OCR program though otherwise how can a camera ne worth it for blind users? >>> >>> On Oct 8, 2011, at 5:13 PM, John Panarese wrote: >>> >>>> Absolutely, Jeff. This is exactly why we are getting the negativity. This is what happens when rumors run amuck and people buy into them. I ordered my 4S without reservations or any apprehensions. The camera, Siri and the better processor are simply worth the money to me. >>>> >>>> Take Care >>>> John Panarese >>>> jpanarese at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Oct 8, 2011, at 10:32 AM, Geoff Waaler wrote: >>>> >>>>> I'm very puzzled by a lot of the negative reaction to the 4S and suspect that many who are now mashing their teeth would have been singing Apple's praises had they announced an identical device, but instead named it the iPhone 5?!?! Frankly the specs mostly conform to the iPhone 5 roomers when these very people were counting down the days to Apple's iPhone 5 unveiling, and couldn't wait to get their hands on one. It wasn't anticipated that this model would add LTE support, and it didn't. Perhaps my perspective is different since I have a 3GS and am upgrade eligible, but I preordered my 64 GB 4S as soon as it was possible at ohh Dark hundred Friday morning and am anxiously awaiting its arrival!! If I already had a 4 and was not yet eligible for a carrier subsidized upgrade, I suspect I would have still been tempted by the 4S improvements, but probably would not have taken the leap. >>>>> >>>>> The following article entitled "why the iPhone 4S critics are wrong, wrong, wrong" presents an interesting counter argument to the source sited below: >>>>> >>>>> http://blogs.computerworld.com/19049/why_the_iphone_4s_critics_are_wrong_wrong_wrong >>>>> >>>>> Best regards, >>>>> Geoff >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: william lomas >>>>> To: Mac OSX& iOS Accessibility >>>>> Sent: Saturday, October 08, 2011 8:39 AM >>>>> Subject: is the iPhone 4s worth it? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> http://www.appolicious.com/tech/articles/9709-is-the-iphone-4s-worth-buying >>>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>>> >>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>> >>>>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>>>> >>>>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>>>> . >>>>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>>> >>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>>> >>>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>>> >>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>> >>>>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>>>> >>>>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>>>> . >>>>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>>> >>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>>> >>>> >>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>>> >>>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>>> . >>>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>>> >>>> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>> >>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>> >>> >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>> >>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>> . >>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > > From geoff.waaler at gmail.com Sat Oct 8 18:24:41 2011 From: geoff.waaler at gmail.com (Geoff Waaler) Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2011 13:24:41 -0400 Subject: is the iPhone 4s worth it? References: <57642C6C-DE8A-41B1-BC0B-D2995DA4525D@gmail.com><3D36AE3F111849B98B44DDB63D476FEC@YOURZ8KUJVJGKY><2447D2D5-E782-4873-89A8-A54781DF9598@mac-access.net> <954406FD-9857-4104-B143-03B1978C2315@gmail.com> Message-ID: There is a pretty decent iPhone OCR app called Prizmo , which I've been using with marginal success on my 3GS. I wouldn't necessarily write checks against a balance shown in my Prizmo result, but often obtain understandable text. I'm no camera buff, but assume that augmentation of the capacity from 3MP to 8MP and addition of the flash will dramatically improve my OCR results. More over, pages should be recognized more quickly since this app is using on board resources rather than the cloud, hence the faster processor will be a factor. This is without mentioning the 60% increase in my battery life and hopefully the other party will stop hearing the call waiting signal and voiceOver output (even when spoken through the headphones). To reiterate, I'm really looking forward to the 4S :)!! Best regards. Geoff ----- Original Message ----- From: william lomas To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility Sent: Saturday, October 08, 2011 12:18 PM Subject: Re: is the iPhone 4s worth it? hope we do in general get a good OCR program though otherwise how can a camera ne worth it for blind users? On Oct 8, 2011, at 5:13 PM, John Panarese wrote: > Absolutely, Jeff. This is exactly why we are getting the negativity. This is what happens when rumors run amuck and people buy into them. I ordered my 4S without reservations or any apprehensions. The camera, Siri and the better processor are simply worth the money to me. > > Take Care > John Panarese > jpanarese at mac-access.net > > > > On Oct 8, 2011, at 10:32 AM, Geoff Waaler wrote: > >> I'm very puzzled by a lot of the negative reaction to the 4S and suspect that many who are now mashing their teeth would have been singing Apple's praises had they announced an identical device, but instead named it the iPhone 5?!?! Frankly the specs mostly conform to the iPhone 5 roomers when these very people were counting down the days to Apple's iPhone 5 unveiling, and couldn't wait to get their hands on one. It wasn't anticipated that this model would add LTE support, and it didn't. Perhaps my perspective is different since I have a 3GS and am upgrade eligible, but I preordered my 64 GB 4S as soon as it was possible at ohh Dark hundred Friday morning and am anxiously awaiting its arrival!! If I already had a 4 and was not yet eligible for a carrier subsidized upgrade, I suspect I would have still been tempted by the 4S improvements, but probably would not have taken the leap. >> >> The following article entitled "why the iPhone 4S critics are wrong, wrong, wrong" presents an interesting counter argument to the source sited below: >> >> http://blogs.computerworld.com/19049/why_the_iphone_4s_critics_are_wrong_wrong_wrong >> >> Best regards, >> Geoff >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: william lomas >> To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility >> Sent: Saturday, October 08, 2011 8:39 AM >> Subject: is the iPhone 4s worth it? >> >> >> http://www.appolicious.com/tech/articles/9709-is-the-iphone-4s-worth-buying >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: or at the public Mail Archive: . Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From orin8722 at gmail.com Sat Oct 8 19:01:55 2011 From: orin8722 at gmail.com (Orin) Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2011 14:01:55 -0400 Subject: is the iPhone 4s worth it? In-Reply-To: References: <57642C6C-DE8A-41B1-BC0B-D2995DA4525D@gmail.com><3D36AE3F111849B98B44DDB63D476FEC@YOURZ8KUJVJGKY><2447D2D5-E782-4873-89A8-A54781DF9598@mac-access.net> <954406FD-9857-4104-B143-03B1978C2315@gmail.com> Message-ID: As a first time iPhone user with Sprint, I'm looking forward to the 4S. I have to admit, I'm also interested in Siri as well. I wonder if I could just say "open Heytel" or something and it'd just open the app for me rather than unlocking the phone, navigating to the page, etc. Orin orin8722 at gmail.com Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/orinks Skype: orin1112 On Oct 8, 2011, at 1:24 PM, Geoff Waaler wrote: > There is a pretty decent iPhone OCR app called Prizmo , which I've been using with marginal success on my 3GS. I wouldn't necessarily write checks against a balance shown in my Prizmo result, but often obtain understandable text. I'm no camera buff, but assume that augmentation of the capacity from 3MP to 8MP and addition of the flash will dramatically improve my OCR results. More over, pages should be recognized more quickly since this app is using on board resources rather than the cloud, hence the faster processor will be a factor. > > This is without mentioning the 60% increase in my battery life and hopefully the other party will stop hearing the call waiting signal and voiceOver output (even when spoken through the headphones). To reiterate, I'm really looking forward to the 4S :)!! > > Best regards. > Geoff > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: william lomas > To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility > Sent: Saturday, October 08, 2011 12:18 PM > Subject: Re: is the iPhone 4s worth it? > > > hope we do in general get a good OCR program though otherwise how can a camera ne worth it for blind users? > > On Oct 8, 2011, at 5:13 PM, John Panarese wrote: > >> Absolutely, Jeff. This is exactly why we are getting the negativity. This is what happens when rumors run amuck and people buy into them. I ordered my 4S without reservations or any apprehensions. The camera, Siri and the better processor are simply worth the money to me. >> >> Take Care >> John Panarese >> jpanarese at mac-access.net >> >> >> >> On Oct 8, 2011, at 10:32 AM, Geoff Waaler wrote: >> >>> I'm very puzzled by a lot of the negative reaction to the 4S and suspect that many who are now mashing their teeth would have been singing Apple's praises had they announced an identical device, but instead named it the iPhone 5?!?! Frankly the specs mostly conform to the iPhone 5 roomers when these very people were counting down the days to Apple's iPhone 5 unveiling, and couldn't wait to get their hands on one. It wasn't anticipated that this model would add LTE support, and it didn't. Perhaps my perspective is different since I have a 3GS and am upgrade eligible, but I preordered my 64 GB 4S as soon as it was possible at ohh Dark hundred Friday morning and am anxiously awaiting its arrival!! If I already had a 4 and was not yet eligible for a carrier subsidized upgrade, I suspect I would have still been tempted by the 4S improvements, but probably would not have taken the leap. >>> >>> The following article entitled "why the iPhone 4S critics are wrong, wrong, wrong" presents an interesting counter argument to the source sited below: >>> >>> http://blogs.computerworld.com/19049/why_the_iphone_4s_critics_are_wrong_wrong_wrong >>> >>> Best regards, >>> Geoff >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: william lomas >>> To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility >>> Sent: Saturday, October 08, 2011 8:39 AM >>> Subject: is the iPhone 4s worth it? >>> >>> >>> http://www.appolicious.com/tech/articles/9709-is-the-iphone-4s-worth-buying >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>> >>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>> . >>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>> >>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>> . >>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From marrie12 at gmail.com Sat Oct 8 19:09:00 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2011 11:09:00 -0700 Subject: is the iPhone 4s worth it? In-Reply-To: References: <57642C6C-DE8A-41B1-BC0B-D2995DA4525D@gmail.com><3D36AE3F111849B98B44DDB63D476FEC@YOURZ8KUJVJGKY><2447D2D5-E782-4873-89A8-A54781DF9598@mac-access.net> <954406FD-9857-4104-B143-03B1978C2315@gmail.com> Message-ID: I did not see it inthe list of commands so you sould need to open the phone and open the app manually. that does not mean it's not beeing worked on though. as they said in the vid it is beta. On Oct 8, 2011, at 11:01 AM, Orin wrote: > As a first time iPhone user with Sprint, I'm looking forward to the 4S. I have to admit, I'm also interested in Siri as well. I wonder if I could just say "open Heytel" or something and it'd just open the app for me rather than unlocking the phone, navigating to the page, etc. > > > Orin > orin8722 at gmail.com > Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/orinks > Skype: orin1112 > > > > On Oct 8, 2011, at 1:24 PM, Geoff Waaler wrote: > >> There is a pretty decent iPhone OCR app called Prizmo , which I've been using with marginal success on my 3GS. I wouldn't necessarily write checks against a balance shown in my Prizmo result, but often obtain understandable text. I'm no camera buff, but assume that augmentation of the capacity from 3MP to 8MP and addition of the flash will dramatically improve my OCR results. More over, pages should be recognized more quickly since this app is using on board resources rather than the cloud, hence the faster processor will be a factor. >> >> This is without mentioning the 60% increase in my battery life and hopefully the other party will stop hearing the call waiting signal and voiceOver output (even when spoken through the headphones). To reiterate, I'm really looking forward to the 4S :)!! >> >> Best regards. >> Geoff >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: william lomas >> To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility >> Sent: Saturday, October 08, 2011 12:18 PM >> Subject: Re: is the iPhone 4s worth it? >> >> >> hope we do in general get a good OCR program though otherwise how can a camera ne worth it for blind users? >> >> On Oct 8, 2011, at 5:13 PM, John Panarese wrote: >> >>> Absolutely, Jeff. This is exactly why we are getting the negativity. This is what happens when rumors run amuck and people buy into them. I ordered my 4S without reservations or any apprehensions. The camera, Siri and the better processor are simply worth the money to me. >>> >>> Take Care >>> John Panarese >>> jpanarese at mac-access.net >>> >>> >>> >>> On Oct 8, 2011, at 10:32 AM, Geoff Waaler wrote: >>> >>>> I'm very puzzled by a lot of the negative reaction to the 4S and suspect that many who are now mashing their teeth would have been singing Apple's praises had they announced an identical device, but instead named it the iPhone 5?!?! Frankly the specs mostly conform to the iPhone 5 roomers when these very people were counting down the days to Apple's iPhone 5 unveiling, and couldn't wait to get their hands on one. It wasn't anticipated that this model would add LTE support, and it didn't. Perhaps my perspective is different since I have a 3GS and am upgrade eligible, but I preordered my 64 GB 4S as soon as it was possible at ohh Dark hundred Friday morning and am anxiously awaiting its arrival!! If I already had a 4 and was not yet eligible for a carrier subsidized upgrade, I suspect I would have still been tempted by the 4S improvements, but probably would not have taken the leap. >>>> >>>> The following article entitled "why the iPhone 4S critics are wrong, wrong, wrong" presents an interesting counter argument to the source sited below: >>>> >>>> http://blogs.computerworld.com/19049/why_the_iphone_4s_critics_are_wrong_wrong_wrong >>>> >>>> Best regards, >>>> Geoff >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: william lomas >>>> To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility >>>> Sent: Saturday, October 08, 2011 8:39 AM >>>> Subject: is the iPhone 4s worth it? >>>> >>>> >>>> http://www.appolicious.com/tech/articles/9709-is-the-iphone-4s-worth-buying >>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>>> >>>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>>> . >>>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>>> >>>> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>> >>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>> >>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>>> >>>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>>> . >>>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>>> >>>> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>> >>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>> >>> >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>> >>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>> . >>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From mattchao at verizon.net Sat Oct 8 19:34:16 2011 From: mattchao at verizon.net (Matthew Chao) Date: Sat, 08 Oct 2011 14:34:16 -0400 Subject: vo-f5 In-Reply-To: <796AD342-A60B-41DE-B378-2640E4A47202@gmail.com> References: <0LSR002PO7H3KPLY@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net> <796AD342-A60B-41DE-B378-2640E4A47202@gmail.com> Message-ID: <0LSR00JIBFL7TUZW@vms173017.mailsrvcs.net> Hi, Sarah. Thanks for the info. What I need to do is to double-click on the "upgrade to fusion 4" on the mounted dmg file. If I do all the thing suggested in your email, will that work? What is cmd g? Thanks. Matthew Chao At 12:52 PM 10/8/2011, you wrote: >vo f5 is always and will always be a toggle. but remember to hit cmd >and ctrl before you hit it again to bring it back. > >Actually if you want to go to fusion then go there turn off vo and >then once your operating system loads hit cmd g. > >Take care >On Oct 8, 2011, at 8:39 AM, Matthew Chao wrote: > > > Hi, Folks! If vo-f5 syncs vo with the mouse, will pressing it > again bring it bac to vo and keyboard? I ask this because I need > to double-click in Fusion to upgrade. Thanks. > > > > Matthew Chao > > > > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > > > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the > Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > > > or at the public Mail Archive: > > . > > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, > Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by > visiting the list website at: > > > ><--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > >To reply to this post, please address your message to >mac-access at mac-access.net > >You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access >forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > >or at the public Mail Archive: >. >Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > >The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, >virus and worm-free! > >Please remember to update your membership options periodically by >visiting the list website at: > From chojiro1990 at gmail.com Sat Oct 8 20:44:23 2011 From: chojiro1990 at gmail.com (Nicolai Svendsen) Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2011 21:44:23 +0200 Subject: is the iPhone 4s worth it? In-Reply-To: References: <57642C6C-DE8A-41B1-BC0B-D2995DA4525D@gmail.com><3D36AE3F111849B98B44DDB63D476FEC@YOURZ8KUJVJGKY><2447D2D5-E782-4873-89A8-A54781DF9598@mac-access.net> <954406FD-9857-4104-B143-03B1978C2315@gmail.com> Message-ID: <414B33CB-7736-4E3E-B886-3DC84D3E671A@gmail.com> Hi! You also have to consider that these are only example phrases. I highly doubt it is only limited to these sayings, even if you change the phrasing a little bit. The article also pointed this out. Even so, if it can't do what you want, chances are it may be able to in the future. I'm personally a little excited by this feature, but I doubt I'd personally be using it much since old habits die hard. Regards, Nic On Oct 8, 2011, at 8:09 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote: > I did not see it inthe list of commands so you sould need to open the phone and open the app manually. that does not mean it's not beeing worked on though. as they said in the vid it is beta. > On Oct 8, 2011, at 11:01 AM, Orin wrote: > >> As a first time iPhone user with Sprint, I'm looking forward to the 4S. I have to admit, I'm also interested in Siri as well. I wonder if I could just say "open Heytel" or something and it'd just open the app for me rather than unlocking the phone, navigating to the page, etc. >> >> >> Orin >> orin8722 at gmail.com >> Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/orinks >> Skype: orin1112 >> >> >> >> On Oct 8, 2011, at 1:24 PM, Geoff Waaler wrote: >> >>> There is a pretty decent iPhone OCR app called Prizmo , which I've been using with marginal success on my 3GS. I wouldn't necessarily write checks against a balance shown in my Prizmo result, but often obtain understandable text. I'm no camera buff, but assume that augmentation of the capacity from 3MP to 8MP and addition of the flash will dramatically improve my OCR results. More over, pages should be recognized more quickly since this app is using on board resources rather than the cloud, hence the faster processor will be a factor. >>> >>> This is without mentioning the 60% increase in my battery life and hopefully the other party will stop hearing the call waiting signal and voiceOver output (even when spoken through the headphones). To reiterate, I'm really looking forward to the 4S :)!! >>> >>> Best regards. >>> Geoff >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: william lomas >>> To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility >>> Sent: Saturday, October 08, 2011 12:18 PM >>> Subject: Re: is the iPhone 4s worth it? >>> >>> >>> hope we do in general get a good OCR program though otherwise how can a camera ne worth it for blind users? >>> >>> On Oct 8, 2011, at 5:13 PM, John Panarese wrote: >>> >>>> Absolutely, Jeff. This is exactly why we are getting the negativity. This is what happens when rumors run amuck and people buy into them. I ordered my 4S without reservations or any apprehensions. The camera, Siri and the better processor are simply worth the money to me. >>>> >>>> Take Care >>>> John Panarese >>>> jpanarese at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Oct 8, 2011, at 10:32 AM, Geoff Waaler wrote: >>>> >>>>> I'm very puzzled by a lot of the negative reaction to the 4S and suspect that many who are now mashing their teeth would have been singing Apple's praises had they announced an identical device, but instead named it the iPhone 5?!?! Frankly the specs mostly conform to the iPhone 5 roomers when these very people were counting down the days to Apple's iPhone 5 unveiling, and couldn't wait to get their hands on one. It wasn't anticipated that this model would add LTE support, and it didn't. Perhaps my perspective is different since I have a 3GS and am upgrade eligible, but I preordered my 64 GB 4S as soon as it was possible at ohh Dark hundred Friday morning and am anxiously awaiting its arrival!! If I already had a 4 and was not yet eligible for a carrier subsidized upgrade, I suspect I would have still been tempted by the 4S improvements, but probably would not have taken the leap. >>>>> >>>>> The following article entitled "why the iPhone 4S critics are wrong, wrong, wrong" presents an interesting counter argument to the source sited below: >>>>> >>>>> http://blogs.computerworld.com/19049/why_the_iphone_4s_critics_are_wrong_wrong_wrong >>>>> >>>>> Best regards, >>>>> Geoff >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: william lomas >>>>> To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility >>>>> Sent: Saturday, October 08, 2011 8:39 AM >>>>> Subject: is the iPhone 4s worth it? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> http://www.appolicious.com/tech/articles/9709-is-the-iphone-4s-worth-buying >>>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>>> >>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>> >>>>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>>>> >>>>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>>>> . >>>>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>>> >>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>>> >>>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>>> >>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>> >>>>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>>>> >>>>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>>>> . >>>>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>>> >>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>>> >>>> >>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>>> >>>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>>> . >>>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>>> >>>> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>> >>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>> >>> >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>> >>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>> . >>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>> >>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>> . >>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From hopewell at hopewell.org.uk Sat Oct 8 20:45:56 2011 From: hopewell at hopewell.org.uk (Paul Hopewell) Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2011 20:45:56 +0100 Subject: DropBox on Lion In-Reply-To: References: <81DE4A2E-1F38-450E-A034-B8312623AD0E@hopewell.org.uk> Message-ID: <06D701F7-3A12-47ED-8311-EF49283898A6@hopewell.org.uk> Hi Sarah, I normally use column view in Finder and when I tried the attached the drop box item did not appear in the context menu for an item in the drop box public folder. However when I switched to icon view or list view then it all worked as you describe. So it looks like there's something wrong with column view on my system. I will go tinker with the view options for column view. At present the context menu for column view contains far fewer items than the context menu for any other view. Best regards.... Paul Hopewell On 8 Oct 2011, at 17:13, Sarah Alawami wrote: > You are not going to modify prefs as apple broke voice over for that. but you always have been able to control click the file in public and then go to dropbox and choose copy public link even in snl. Just install by running that dropbox thing in the .app file by control clicking it and then go to show package contents then navagate to /contents/MacOS and running the dropbox file. this will open up terminal prompt and then you wait for the installer. > > Take care. > On Oct 8, 2011, at 5:37 AM, Paul Hopewell wrote: > >> Hello, >> I am trying to install the latest beta of dropbox which I understand works on Lion. I am running Lion 10.7.1. I see from other posts that others have got this to work. >> >> How can I tell if the correct version of dropbox is installed? I expect to be able to modify dropbox preferences and to acquire links to items in the dropbox public folder which I can include in Emails. I expect to be able to do this within Lion without having to open Safari and logon to my dropbox userid. >> >> Should the above all work and if so how do I do the above? I did find it tricky to locate the latest dropbox beta and may have gone wrong and installed an obsolete beta. >> >> Best regards.... >> >> Paul Hopewell >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > > From zkline at speedpost.net Sat Oct 8 20:48:22 2011 From: zkline at speedpost.net (Zachary Kline) Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2011 12:48:22 -0700 Subject: DropBox on Lion In-Reply-To: <06D701F7-3A12-47ED-8311-EF49283898A6@hopewell.org.uk> References: <81DE4A2E-1F38-450E-A034-B8312623AD0E@hopewell.org.uk> <06D701F7-3A12-47ED-8311-EF49283898A6@hopewell.org.uk> Message-ID: Hi Paul, No need to tinker with settings. The solution to the issue is pretty easy, you need to actually interact with the browser to see all those context menu items. I just interact and use the standard VO keys to find whatever I need a context menu for, and then VO-shift-m. Best, Zack. On Oct 8, 2011, at 12:45 PM, Paul Hopewell wrote: > Hi Sarah, > I normally use column view in Finder and when I tried the attached the drop box item did not appear in the context menu for an item in the drop box public folder. However when I switched to icon view or list view then it all worked as you describe. So it looks like there's something wrong with column view on my system. I will go tinker with the view options for column view. At present the context menu for column view contains far fewer items than the context menu for any other view. > Best regards.... > > Paul Hopewell > On 8 Oct 2011, at 17:13, Sarah Alawami wrote: > >> You are not going to modify prefs as apple broke voice over for that. but you always have been able to control click the file in public and then go to dropbox and choose copy public link even in snl. Just install by running that dropbox thing in the .app file by control clicking it and then go to show package contents then navagate to /contents/MacOS and running the dropbox file. this will open up terminal prompt and then you wait for the installer. >> >> Take care. >> On Oct 8, 2011, at 5:37 AM, Paul Hopewell wrote: >> >>> Hello, >>> I am trying to install the latest beta of dropbox which I understand works on Lion. I am running Lion 10.7.1. I see from other posts that others have got this to work. >>> >>> How can I tell if the correct version of dropbox is installed? I expect to be able to modify dropbox preferences and to acquire links to items in the dropbox public folder which I can include in Emails. I expect to be able to do this within Lion without having to open Safari and logon to my dropbox userid. >>> >>> Should the above all work and if so how do I do the above? I did find it tricky to locate the latest dropbox beta and may have gone wrong and installed an obsolete beta. >>> >>> Best regards.... >>> >>> Paul Hopewell >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>> >>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>> . >>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From lynne at mac-access.net Sat Oct 8 20:55:27 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2011 20:55:27 +0100 Subject: I think I already have iPhone 4S! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2D4476A7-20B6-4509-89BA-CC35655D6506@mac-access.net> That's been the case since the 3GS. Lynne On 6 Oct 2011, at 11:11, Jonathan Tyrer wrote: I just held down my home button and said, "call John Smith." The iPone replied, "John Smith, home or work?" From lynne at mac-access.net Sat Oct 8 21:02:36 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2011 21:02:36 +0100 Subject: iOS5 is not up for discussion until release In-Reply-To: <0970C719-9F37-46B7-9247-99E44044CC09@mac-access.net> References: <4E8F229F.2040305@techno-chat.net> <0970C719-9F37-46B7-9247-99E44044CC09@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <3B087A0C-FA35-4541-BA8F-9C58DA46A5FD@mac-access.net> This is totally correct. So can we please avoid speculation? Lynne On 7 Oct 2011, at 17:22, James AUSTIN wrote: Those who are using the GM or the Betas are forbidden from talking about it due to their NDAs. On 7 Oct 2011, at 17:02, chris hallsworth wrote: > Can someone please confirm that the triple home click will be set to VoiceOver by default with iOS 5? I know it's not out till next Wednesday to the general publick, but those who are using the GM or the betas might know. Thanks! > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: or at the public Mail Archive: . Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From lynne at mac-access.net Sat Oct 8 21:04:20 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2011 21:04:20 +0100 Subject: iOS5 is NOT up for dioscussion Until Release! In-Reply-To: <5BDF5DED-A480-48AC-ACB3-B2FAE0214B05@gmail.com> References: <4E8F229F.2040305@techno-chat.net> <0970C719-9F37-46B7-9247-99E44044CC09@mac-access.net> <5BDF5DED-A480-48AC-ACB3-B2FAE0214B05@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4DEE8373-9BA5-426A-987D-433BE2CAD270@mac-access.net> William Whether you like it or not, it's not up for discussion on this list, On 7 Oct 2011, at 18:16, william lomas wrote: oh come on who cares about ndas it all over the internet people need to stop living in this shroud of secrecy called apple From lynne at mac-access.net Sat Oct 8 21:10:50 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2011 21:10:50 +0100 Subject: iCloud and privacy In-Reply-To: <4E901716.8090509@techno-chat.net> References: <4E901716.8090509@techno-chat.net> Message-ID: <53A8A7FC-2040-4938-8475-8B057E7A8844@mac-access.net> Chris This is also covered by an NDA. Lynne From krbarry at gmail.com Sat Oct 8 21:55:11 2011 From: krbarry at gmail.com (Kevin Barry) Date: Sat, 08 Oct 2011 16:55:11 -0400 Subject: I think I already have iPhone 4S! In-Reply-To: <2D4476A7-20B6-4509-89BA-CC35655D6506@mac-access.net> References: <2D4476A7-20B6-4509-89BA-CC35655D6506@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <4e90b8b9.c6cfe00a.4984.3b3c@mx.google.com> That's voice dialing. That was a feature of a flip phone I owned years ago. At 03:55 PM 10/8/2011, you wrote: >That's been the case since the 3GS. > >Lynne > >On 6 Oct 2011, at 11:11, Jonathan Tyrer wrote: > >I just held down my home button and said, "call John Smith." > >The iPone replied, "John Smith, home or work?" > ><--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > >To reply to this post, please address your message to >mac-access at mac-access.net > >You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access >forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > >or at the public Mail Archive: >. >Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > >The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, >virus and worm-free! > >Please remember to update your membership options periodically by >visiting the list website at: > From chris.hallsworth at techno-chat.net Sat Oct 8 21:59:02 2011 From: chris.hallsworth at techno-chat.net (chris hallsworth) Date: Sat, 08 Oct 2011 21:59:02 +0100 Subject: iPhone and the hearing impaired Message-ID: <4E90B996.2070107@techno-chat.net> Please can I ask, what can the iPhone offer for hearing impaired people? I know VoiceOver for example supports a variety of bluetooth Braille displays, but how about things like audio quality and volume? What about the vibration. Thanks! I am hearing impaired myself and I manage the iPod Touch 4G very well with speech only. But of course your mileages may vary. From grtdane at internode.on.net Sat Oct 8 22:01:48 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane trethowan) Date: Sun, 09 Oct 2011 08:01:48 +1100 Subject: iPhone and the hearing impaired In-Reply-To: <4E90B996.2070107@techno-chat.net> References: <4E90B996.2070107@techno-chat.net> Message-ID: <4E90BA3C.3010101@internode.on.net> One of the nice things Iphones, Ipads, Ipod touchs etc offer the hearing impaired is the "Mono" mode, everything comes out in mono if you have headphones connected etc and this can be extremely handy. This is my opinion but I think if you're talking of the Iphone in terms of a "Phone" - that is to say a device where you make and receive telephone calls - then you may find other devices out there in the market place which offer hearing impaired people a little more than the Iphone does. On 9/10/2011 7:59 AM, chris hallsworth wrote: > Please can I ask, what can the iPhone offer for hearing impaired > people? I know VoiceOver for example supports a variety of bluetooth > Braille displays, but how about things like audio quality and volume? > What about the vibration. Thanks! I am hearing impaired myself and I > manage the iPod Touch 4G very well with speech only. But of course > your mileages may vary. > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access > forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, > virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by > visiting the list website at: > -- sent from my HP Powerhouse Notebook. From lewiscrack at googlemail.com Sat Oct 8 22:06:29 2011 From: lewiscrack at googlemail.com (Lewis Crack) Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2011 22:06:29 +0100 Subject: iPhone and the hearing impaired In-Reply-To: <4E90B996.2070107@techno-chat.net> References: <4E90B996.2070107@techno-chat.net> Message-ID: <627D3734-CC13-476D-8A19-D52EB7C919C3@googlemail.com> Hi Chris. there is also support for Mono Audio on the iPhone. I personally find the iPhone 4 and more than likely the iPhone 4S's speaker a bit louder than the iPhone 3GS's speaker. The 3GS's speaker distorts when it is at full volume. Apart from what you said about the braille displays, etc, I can't think of anything else. Cheers. Lewis :) On 8 Oct 2011, at 21:59, chris hallsworth wrote: > Please can I ask, what can the iPhone offer for hearing impaired people? I know VoiceOver for example supports a variety of bluetooth Braille displays, but how about things like audio quality and volume? What about the vibration. Thanks! I am hearing impaired myself and I manage the iPod Touch 4G very well with speech only. But of course your mileages may vary. > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From rattail4 at gmail.com Sat Oct 8 22:07:25 2011 From: rattail4 at gmail.com (Mike Welty) Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2011 17:07:25 -0400 Subject: iPhone and the hearing impaired In-Reply-To: <4E90BA3C.3010101@internode.on.net> References: <4E90B996.2070107@techno-chat.net> <4E90BA3C.3010101@internode.on.net> Message-ID: I'm hearing impaired and don't have problems with the IPhone. it's mainly on the other end that there's issues, not the phone itself -------------------------------------------------- From: "Dane trethowan" Sent: Saturday, October 08, 2011 17:01 To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" Subject: Re: iPhone and the hearing impaired > One of the nice things Iphones, Ipads, Ipod touchs etc offer the hearing > impaired is the "Mono" mode, everything comes out in mono if you have > headphones connected etc and this can be extremely handy. > > This is my opinion but I think if you're talking of the Iphone in terms of > a "Phone" - that is to say a device where you make and receive telephone > calls - then you may find other devices out there in the market place > which offer hearing impaired people a little more than the Iphone does. > > > > On 9/10/2011 7:59 AM, chris hallsworth wrote: >> Please can I ask, what can the iPhone offer for hearing impaired people? >> I know VoiceOver for example supports a variety of bluetooth Braille >> displays, but how about things like audio quality and volume? What about >> the vibration. Thanks! I am hearing impaired myself and I manage the iPod >> Touch 4G very well with speech only. But of course your mileages may >> vary. >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to >> mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum >> at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus >> and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by >> visiting the list website at: >> > > -- > sent from my HP Powerhouse Notebook. > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum > at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus > and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting > the list website at: > From grtdane at internode.on.net Sat Oct 8 22:16:23 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane trethowan) Date: Sun, 09 Oct 2011 08:16:23 +1100 Subject: iPhone and the hearing impaired In-Reply-To: <627D3734-CC13-476D-8A19-D52EB7C919C3@googlemail.com> References: <4E90B996.2070107@techno-chat.net> <627D3734-CC13-476D-8A19-D52EB7C919C3@googlemail.com> Message-ID: <4E90BDA7.4070809@internode.on.net> Thank you for bringing this to our attention, I've always thought the volume of the 3GS to be very poor compared to other phones I use here, I'll be getting an Iphone 4 in the next few days so I'll be interested to hear the difference. \ Of course, I'm referring to volume as used when making and receuvubg cakks,'' On 9/10/2011 8:06 AM, Lewis Crack wrote: > Hi Chris. > > there is also support for Mono Audio on the iPhone. I personally find the iPhone 4 and more than likely the iPhone 4S's speaker a bit louder than the iPhone 3GS's speaker. > The 3GS's speaker distorts when it is at full volume. > Apart from what you said about the braille displays, etc, I can't think of anything else. > Cheers. > Lewis :) > On 8 Oct 2011, at 21:59, chris hallsworth wrote: > >> Please can I ask, what can the iPhone offer for hearing impaired people? I know VoiceOver for example supports a variety of bluetooth Braille displays, but how about things like audio quality and volume? What about the vibration. Thanks! I am hearing impaired myself and I manage the iPod Touch 4G very well with speech only. But of course your mileages may vary. >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > -- sent from my HP Powerhouse Notebook. From lynne at mac-access.net Sat Oct 8 22:35:44 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2011 22:35:44 +0100 Subject: iPhone and the hearing impaired In-Reply-To: <4E90B996.2070107@techno-chat.net> References: <4E90B996.2070107@techno-chat.net> Message-ID: <656D1979-2C15-4B72-87F2-F041E9D741B1@mac-access.net> Hello Chris Tes, the iPhone does vibrate when it rings if configured. You can also set up a couple of other options in the Setup>Accessibility section. Lynne On 8 Oct 2011, at 21:59, chris hallsworth wrote: Please can I ask, what can the iPhone offer for hearing impaired people? I know VoiceOver for example supports a variety of bluetooth Braille displays, but how about things like audio quality and volume? What about the vibration. Thanks! I am hearing impaired myself and I manage the iPod Touch 4G very well with speech only. But of course your mileages may vary. <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: or at the public Mail Archive: . Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From basilclement at mac.com Sat Oct 8 22:39:50 2011 From: basilclement at mac.com (Basil Clement) Date: Sat, 08 Oct 2011 22:39:50 +0100 Subject: Field Recorder Apps In-Reply-To: <656D1979-2C15-4B72-87F2-F041E9D741B1@mac-access.net> References: <4E90B996.2070107@techno-chat.net> <656D1979-2C15-4B72-87F2-F041E9D741B1@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <176D2593-1B69-453A-969E-DDA66B8EA1E5@mac.com> Hi all. Does anyone know of a good and accessible field recorder app for the iPhone? I can find a number of decent sounding apps, but am reluctant to part with money for something I may not be able to use. Many thanks in advance: Basil From basilclement at mac.com Sat Oct 8 22:46:04 2011 From: basilclement at mac.com (Basil Clement) Date: Sat, 08 Oct 2011 22:46:04 +0100 Subject: Sharing iTunes Libraries In-Reply-To: <656D1979-2C15-4B72-87F2-F041E9D741B1@mac-access.net> References: <4E90B996.2070107@techno-chat.net> <656D1979-2C15-4B72-87F2-F041E9D741B1@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <0FDC1EAF-9912-47C4-A357-34B6118BECF2@mac.com> Hi all. My partner and I have been trying to share our iTunes libraries with each other. However, we have been unsuccessful, despite having turned sharing on, and checked all the relevant boxes in the preferences. Have we missed something, or is the problem because my computer is a Mac, whereas her's is a windows machine? Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated. Many thanks in advance: Basil From marrie12 at gmail.com Sun Oct 9 00:05:46 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2011 16:05:46 -0700 Subject: Field Recorder Apps In-Reply-To: <176D2593-1B69-453A-969E-DDA66B8EA1E5@mac.com> References: <4E90B996.2070107@techno-chat.net> <656D1979-2C15-4B72-87F2-F041E9D741B1@mac-access.net> <176D2593-1B69-453A-969E-DDA66B8EA1E5@mac.com> Message-ID: <34E3E3AC-AC29-4499-9029-3A08C06DCE10@gmail.com> Voxi is pretty good. I've gotten a lot of recomendations for that. Take care. On Oct 8, 2011, at 2:39 PM, Basil Clement wrote: > Hi all. > > Does anyone know of a good and accessible field recorder app for the iPhone? I can find a number of decent sounding apps, but am reluctant to part with money for something I may not be able to use. > > Many thanks in advance: > Basil > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From marrie12 at gmail.com Sun Oct 9 00:09:42 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2011 16:09:42 -0700 Subject: DropBox on Lion In-Reply-To: <06D701F7-3A12-47ED-8311-EF49283898A6@hopewell.org.uk> References: <81DE4A2E-1F38-450E-A034-B8312623AD0E@hopewell.org.uk> <06D701F7-3A12-47ED-8311-EF49283898A6@hopewell.org.uk> Message-ID: Hmm I've never ever used anything bnut list view. Well maybe write to accessibility at apple.com and see if they can fix it as it might be a vo issue, a lion issue or both. On Oct 8, 2011, at 12:45 PM, Paul Hopewell wrote: > Hi Sarah, > I normally use column view in Finder and when I tried the attached the drop box item did not appear in the context menu for an item in the drop box public folder. However when I switched to icon view or list view then it all worked as you describe. So it looks like there's something wrong with column view on my system. I will go tinker with the view options for column view. At present the context menu for column view contains far fewer items than the context menu for any other view. > Best regards.... > > Paul Hopewell > On 8 Oct 2011, at 17:13, Sarah Alawami wrote: > >> You are not going to modify prefs as apple broke voice over for that. but you always have been able to control click the file in public and then go to dropbox and choose copy public link even in snl. Just install by running that dropbox thing in the .app file by control clicking it and then go to show package contents then navagate to /contents/MacOS and running the dropbox file. this will open up terminal prompt and then you wait for the installer. >> >> Take care. >> On Oct 8, 2011, at 5:37 AM, Paul Hopewell wrote: >> >>> Hello, >>> I am trying to install the latest beta of dropbox which I understand works on Lion. I am running Lion 10.7.1. I see from other posts that others have got this to work. >>> >>> How can I tell if the correct version of dropbox is installed? I expect to be able to modify dropbox preferences and to acquire links to items in the dropbox public folder which I can include in Emails. I expect to be able to do this within Lion without having to open Safari and logon to my dropbox userid. >>> >>> Should the above all work and if so how do I do the above? I did find it tricky to locate the latest dropbox beta and may have gone wrong and installed an obsolete beta. >>> >>> Best regards.... >>> >>> Paul Hopewell >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>> >>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>> . >>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From marrie12 at gmail.com Sun Oct 9 00:11:05 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2011 16:11:05 -0700 Subject: vo-f5 In-Reply-To: <0LSR00JIBFL7TUZW@vms173017.mailsrvcs.net> References: <0LSR002PO7H3KPLY@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net> <796AD342-A60B-41DE-B378-2640E4A47202@gmail.com> <0LSR00JIBFL7TUZW@vms173017.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <8805DC32-0551-42B3-AECD-1A6C4E341664@gmail.com> That is to grab the keyboard for what ever os you are using on the vm. Try physically double cliocking wiht the track pad. I can't help any further as I can't upgrade at the moment. Take care. On Oct 8, 2011, at 11:34 AM, Matthew Chao wrote: > Hi, Sarah. Thanks for the info. What I need to do is to double-click on the "upgrade to fusion 4" on the mounted dmg file. If I do all the thing suggested in your email, will that work? What is cmd g? Thanks. > > Matthew Chao > > At 12:52 PM 10/8/2011, you wrote: >> vo f5 is always and will always be a toggle. but remember to hit cmd and ctrl before you hit it again to bring it back. >> >> Actually if you want to go to fusion then go there turn off vo and then once your operating system loads hit cmd g. >> >> Take care >> On Oct 8, 2011, at 8:39 AM, Matthew Chao wrote: >> >> > Hi, Folks! If vo-f5 syncs vo with the mouse, will pressing it again bring it bac to vo and keyboard? I ask this because I need to double-click in Fusion to upgrade. Thanks. >> > >> > Matthew Chao >> > >> > >> > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> > >> > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> > >> > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> > >> > or at the public Mail Archive: >> > . >> > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> > >> > >> > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> > >> > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From marrie12 at gmail.com Sun Oct 9 00:12:43 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2011 16:12:43 -0700 Subject: iOS5 is NOT up for dioscussion Until Release! In-Reply-To: <4DEE8373-9BA5-426A-987D-433BE2CAD270@mac-access.net> References: <4E8F229F.2040305@techno-chat.net> <0970C719-9F37-46B7-9247-99E44044CC09@mac-access.net> <5BDF5DED-A480-48AC-ACB3-B2FAE0214B05@gmail.com> <4DEE8373-9BA5-426A-987D-433BE2CAD270@mac-access.net> Message-ID: Oh I agree. that's why I'm recording my podcasts now and releasing them when ever it is released to the public lol! Hehahaha but please people keep our mouth shut or do the sources say thing and shall we say bend the truth a bit? lol! Ok maybe not but let's just do the sources say deal. Take care and may your day be filled with safety. On Oct 8, 2011, at 1:04 PM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > William > > Whether you like it or not, it's not up for discussion on this list, > > On 7 Oct 2011, at 18:16, william lomas wrote: > > oh come on who cares about ndas it all over the internet people need to stop living in this shroud of secrecy called apple > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From julie.vaughan1 at virginmedia.com Sun Oct 9 00:49:51 2011 From: julie.vaughan1 at virginmedia.com (Julie Vaughan) Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2011 00:49:51 +0100 Subject: siri for the iPhone 4 ?????help please In-Reply-To: <4E8FFF26.8030400@techno-chat.net> References: <4E8FFF26.8030400@techno-chat.net> Message-ID: <5603E5D9-E0C8-4BF2-8C96-0201D2D6E4FF@virginmedia.com> hi all my sister and i went onto a website about siri and they said that siri has been an app for ages but now they have brought out the 4s then it will no longer be available is this true only that for me would be great i have the iPhone 4 and can't upgrade till twelve months time but really want siri many thanks jules any help on this would be great thanks On 8 Oct 2011, at 08:43, chris hallsworth wrote: > http://tech-reviews.co.uk/news/siri-not-coming-to-iphone-4-or-iphone-3gs/ > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From n0oxy at charter.net Sun Oct 9 00:56:47 2011 From: n0oxy at charter.net (Mike Arrigo) Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2011 18:56:47 -0500 Subject: is the iPhone 4s worth it? In-Reply-To: <954406FD-9857-4104-B143-03B1978C2315@gmail.com> References: <57642C6C-DE8A-41B1-BC0B-D2995DA4525D@gmail.com> <3D36AE3F111849B98B44DDB63D476FEC@YOURZ8KUJVJGKY> <2447D2D5-E782-4873-89A8-A54781DF9598@mac-access.net> <954406FD-9857-4104-B143-03B1978C2315@gmail.com> Message-ID: <7B3F24C8-44C5-42BC-B6B8-4711AA646E18@charter.net> The real issue with OCR is the restrictions Apple has placed on what developers can do, I've heard that prismo works pretty well, but there are several things developers cannot do with regard to camera focus that can be done with android and Symbian. Hopefully apple will open the camera interface a bit more to developers, but who knows if that will happen. On Oct 8, 2011, at 11:18 AM, william lomas wrote: > hope we do in general get a good OCR program though otherwise how can a camera ne worth it for blind users? > > On Oct 8, 2011, at 5:13 PM, John Panarese wrote: > >> Absolutely, Jeff. This is exactly why we are getting the negativity. This is what happens when rumors run amuck and people buy into them. I ordered my 4S without reservations or any apprehensions. The camera, Siri and the better processor are simply worth the money to me. >> >> Take Care >> John Panarese >> jpanarese at mac-access.net >> >> >> >> On Oct 8, 2011, at 10:32 AM, Geoff Waaler wrote: >> >>> I'm very puzzled by a lot of the negative reaction to the 4S and suspect that many who are now mashing their teeth would have been singing Apple's praises had they announced an identical device, but instead named it the iPhone 5?!?! Frankly the specs mostly conform to the iPhone 5 roomers when these very people were counting down the days to Apple's iPhone 5 unveiling, and couldn't wait to get their hands on one. It wasn't anticipated that this model would add LTE support, and it didn't. Perhaps my perspective is different since I have a 3GS and am upgrade eligible, but I preordered my 64 GB 4S as soon as it was possible at ohh Dark hundred Friday morning and am anxiously awaiting its arrival!! If I already had a 4 and was not yet eligible for a carrier subsidized upgrade, I suspect I would have still been tempted by the 4S improvements, but probably would not have taken the leap. >>> >>> The following article entitled "why the iPhone 4S critics are wrong, wrong, wrong" presents an interesting counter argument to the source sited below: >>> >>> http://blogs.computerworld.com/19049/why_the_iphone_4s_critics_are_wrong_wrong_wrong >>> >>> Best regards, >>> Geoff >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: william lomas >>> To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility >>> Sent: Saturday, October 08, 2011 8:39 AM >>> Subject: is the iPhone 4s worth it? >>> >>> >>> http://www.appolicious.com/tech/articles/9709-is-the-iphone-4s-worth-buying >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>> >>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>> . >>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>> >>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>> . >>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From ianandriggs at googlemail.com Sun Oct 9 01:00:52 2011 From: ianandriggs at googlemail.com (Ian McNamara) Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2011 01:00:52 +0100 Subject: siri for the iPhone 4 ?????help please In-Reply-To: <5603E5D9-E0C8-4BF2-8C96-0201D2D6E4FF@virginmedia.com> References: <4E8FFF26.8030400@techno-chat.net> <5603E5D9-E0C8-4BF2-8C96-0201D2D6E4FF@virginmedia.com> Message-ID: <3AA9D985-9575-457C-92ED-1C5540CE5562@googlemail.com> hi Jue i looked in to this my self. they've been very sneaky as it's not going to be available for the iphone four you'll have to get a iphone 4 s to have it or at least that's what i've heard but if any one knows diffrent then feel free to correct me. i think it's apples way of making people buy the iphone four s. Ian On 9 Oct 2011, at 00:49, Julie Vaughan wrote: > hi all > > my sister and i went onto a website about siri and they said that siri has been an app for ages but now they have brought out the 4s then it will no longer be available is this true only that for me would be great > > i have the iPhone 4 and can't upgrade till twelve months time but really want siri > > many thanks > > jules > any help on this would be great > > thanks > On 8 Oct 2011, at 08:43, chris hallsworth wrote: > >> http://tech-reviews.co.uk/news/siri-not-coming-to-iphone-4-or-iphone-3gs/ >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From marrie12 at gmail.com Sun Oct 9 01:28:10 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2011 17:28:10 -0700 Subject: siri for the iPhone 4 ?????help please In-Reply-To: <5603E5D9-E0C8-4BF2-8C96-0201D2D6E4FF@virginmedia.com> References: <4E8FFF26.8030400@techno-chat.net> <5603E5D9-E0C8-4BF2-8C96-0201D2D6E4FF@virginmedia.com> Message-ID: It is true. the p[processer can take it though. I can't remember the specks off hand but for seri to do all of that amazes me and kind of scares me to. On Oct 8, 2011, at 4:49 PM, Julie Vaughan wrote: > hi all > > my sister and i went onto a website about siri and they said that siri has been an app for ages but now they have brought out the 4s then it will no longer be available is this true only that for me would be great > > i have the iPhone 4 and can't upgrade till twelve months time but really want siri > > many thanks > > jules > any help on this would be great > > thanks > On 8 Oct 2011, at 08:43, chris hallsworth wrote: > >> http://tech-reviews.co.uk/news/siri-not-coming-to-iphone-4-or-iphone-3gs/ >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From basilclement at mac.com Sun Oct 9 01:41:24 2011 From: basilclement at mac.com (Basil Clement) Date: Sun, 09 Oct 2011 01:41:24 +0100 Subject: Field Recorder Apps In-Reply-To: <34E3E3AC-AC29-4499-9029-3A08C06DCE10@gmail.com> References: <4E90B996.2070107@techno-chat.net> <656D1979-2C15-4B72-87F2-F041E9D741B1@mac-access.net> <176D2593-1B69-453A-969E-DDA66B8EA1E5@mac.com> <34E3E3AC-AC29-4499-9029-3A08C06DCE10@gmail.com> Message-ID: Thanks for that, Sarah. I'll take a look. Basil On 9 Oct 2011, at 00:05, Sarah Alawami wrote: > Voxi is pretty good. I've gotten a lot of recomendations for that. > > Take care. > On Oct 8, 2011, at 2:39 PM, Basil Clement wrote: > >> Hi all. >> >> Does anyone know of a good and accessible field recorder app for the iPhone? I can find a number of decent sounding apps, but am reluctant to part with money for something I may not be able to use. >> >> Many thanks in advance: >> Basil >> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From mmaslo1964 at swbell.net Sun Oct 9 01:59:15 2011 From: mmaslo1964 at swbell.net (michael maslo) Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2011 19:59:15 -0500 Subject: mud client for the mac In-Reply-To: <7A37C7F9-70CB-47EB-AF24-47831B119441@softcon.com> References: <79561759-D8F8-4608-8A15-6E47EE2C4374@softcon.com> <31137C83-E855-4A7F-8FAA-063E901F66F4@swbell.net> <7A37C7F9-70CB-47EB-AF24-47831B119441@softcon.com> Message-ID: <70A1AAE6-109F-4DF1-9D4C-E51C02C61751@swbell.net> Hi Travis: I have a few question on the muddle program please. I opened the sample.muddle in text edit but when I try to save it I do not know what type of file format to save it in. I tried rtf or other one's but it won't let me save it. I don't know how to save it as a non file format or where it does not put that extension at the end. Also how do I create triggers, gagging and alias? I am getting a little bit more understanding but I don't know how to save the file and I assume the file should be called .muddle or does it need a preface before the dot? Please help with those questions. Thankss in advance. On Oct 5, 2011, at 8:09 AM, Travis Siegel wrote: > Muddle is a terminal app, this means that you need to edit terminal files to use it. > Text edit will edit these files, but it will require a little manual work. > First option is to load the muddle.sample into text edit, change your aliases, triggers, and connections, then save it again, rename the muddle.sample file to dot muddle (that's the word muddle preceeded by a period) which will make it invissible to finder, so subsequent edits will take a bit of fancy footwork. :) > As for using ip addresses instead of domain names, this is an artifact of the way muddle connects to it's hosts, (again, something I'll fix as soon as I get the other issues worked out) > To find the ip address of a mud, you'll need to use nslookup (not recomended lately) or whois. > I prefer nslookup, because it returns *only* the ip address, where as whois gives all kinds of other info as well, which isn't relevant to your current case, but the advantage of whois is that it can be run from a web browser or any other whois client (and there's tons of them) so it is easier for folks to hunt down the required info. > > There are examples of all of the things muddle can do in the sample configuration file, so you can take those and modify them to do what you like. > It's certainly not the easiest client to use, but the advantage is that it loads, and gets out of your way, so you can do your mudding without having to concern yourself with anything but the mud in question. > I don't mud very often, but when I do, muddle lets me have multiple muds open and keep track of all of them with a few simple commands. That's my primary reason for using it. > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From jdawg1983 at gmail.com Sun Oct 9 02:16:35 2011 From: jdawg1983 at gmail.com (joe quinn) Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2011 20:16:35 -0500 Subject: wikioffline? Message-ID: any luck with the app on either the mac or iOS? is it accessible?anyone had From marrie12 at gmail.com Sun Oct 9 03:24:34 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2011 19:24:34 -0700 Subject: Field Recorder Apps In-Reply-To: References: <4E90B996.2070107@techno-chat.net> <656D1979-2C15-4B72-87F2-F041E9D741B1@mac-access.net> <176D2593-1B69-453A-969E-DDA66B8EA1E5@mac.com> <34E3E3AC-AC29-4499-9029-3A08C06DCE10@gmail.com> Message-ID: <012C1F5A-2955-4ECC-94B7-72746C7FAA8C@gmail.com> There's also ipa but it crashes on me all the time. You might have better luck with that and hope you find what you are looking fore.. On Oct 8, 2011, at 5:41 PM, Basil Clement wrote: > Thanks for that, Sarah. I'll take a look. > > Basil > > > On 9 Oct 2011, at 00:05, Sarah Alawami wrote: > >> Voxi is pretty good. I've gotten a lot of recomendations for that. >> >> Take care. >> On Oct 8, 2011, at 2:39 PM, Basil Clement wrote: >> >>> Hi all. >>> >>> Does anyone know of a good and accessible field recorder app for the iPhone? I can find a number of decent sounding apps, but am reluctant to part with money for something I may not be able to use. >>> >>> Many thanks in advance: >>> Basil >>> >>> >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>> >>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>> . >>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From mmaslo1964 at swbell.net Sun Oct 9 03:31:59 2011 From: mmaslo1964 at swbell.net (michael maslo) Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2011 21:31:59 -0500 Subject: Inquiry Message-ID: <562576EF-5D7E-4D18-8919-E8BE1BF4CECB@swbell.net> Hi list: Was wondering if there was a way t I would be able to unhide files that are hidden? I know in windows you can unhide systems file and such but was wondering if there is a way to do that on a mac? tha From marrie12 at gmail.com Sun Oct 9 04:25:51 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2011 20:25:51 -0700 Subject: Inquiry In-Reply-To: <562576EF-5D7E-4D18-8919-E8BE1BF4CECB@swbell.net> References: <562576EF-5D7E-4D18-8919-E8BE1BF4CECB@swbell.net> Message-ID: <20AD3D9E-CC54-4922-8667-3730D0CF3DCB@gmail.com> There is. For example to unhide the library folder do this. chflags nohidden ~ /Library/ Just adjust the path of the folder you want to unhide. Take care. On Oct 8, 2011, at 7:31 PM, michael maslo wrote: > Hi list: > > Was wondering if there was a way t I would be able to unhide files that are hidden? I know in windows you can unhide systems file and such but was wondering if there is a way to do that on a mac? > tha > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From tsiegel at softcon.com Sun Oct 9 04:28:32 2011 From: tsiegel at softcon.com (Travis Siegel) Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2011 23:28:32 -0400 Subject: mud client for the mac In-Reply-To: <70A1AAE6-109F-4DF1-9D4C-E51C02C61751@swbell.net> References: <79561759-D8F8-4608-8A15-6E47EE2C4374@softcon.com> <31137C83-E855-4A7F-8FAA-063E901F66F4@swbell.net> <7A37C7F9-70CB-47EB-AF24-47831B119441@softcon.com> <70A1AAE6-109F-4DF1-9D4C-E51C02C61751@swbell.net> Message-ID: There's sample triggers, aliases, and mud logins in the muddle.sample file. After you load the file into text edit, just save it again (don't change it's type, it's a plain text file, and needs to stay that way) You'll need to take a look at the entries in the muddle.sample file, since that's where you'll find the samples that teach you how to make aliases, triggers, and the like. After you save the file, you'll need to rename it to .muddle (that's the word muddle preceeded by a period) That's all you need to do for that. After that's done, drop to terminal, and just type muddle and you're off and running. After this happens, type c and the name you used for the mud you wish to connect to, and you're off and running on the mud now, hope this helps. From candiestiles at me.com Sun Oct 9 05:23:32 2011 From: candiestiles at me.com (Candie Stiles) Date: Sat, 08 Oct 2011 21:23:32 -0700 Subject: is the iPhone 4s worth it? In-Reply-To: <7B3F24C8-44C5-42BC-B6B8-4711AA646E18@charter.net> References: <57642C6C-DE8A-41B1-BC0B-D2995DA4525D@gmail.com> <3D36AE3F111849B98B44DDB63D476FEC@YOURZ8KUJVJGKY> <2447D2D5-E782-4873-89A8-A54781DF9598@mac-access.net> <954406FD-9857-4104-B143-03B1978C2315@gmail.com> <7B3F24C8-44C5-42BC-B6B8-4711AA646E18@charter.net> Message-ID: I wonder if apple would consider developing it's own OCR app. By doing this they could eliminate the restrictions and create an app that produced excellent results. Candie On Oct 8, 2011, at 4:56 PM, Mike Arrigo wrote: > The real issue with OCR is the restrictions Apple has placed on what developers can do, I've heard that prismo works pretty well, but there are several things developers cannot do with regard to camera focus that can be done with android and Symbian. Hopefully apple will open the camera interface a bit more to developers, but who knows if that will happen. > On Oct 8, 2011, at 11:18 AM, william lomas wrote: > >> hope we do in general get a good OCR program though otherwise how can a camera ne worth it for blind users? >> >> On Oct 8, 2011, at 5:13 PM, John Panarese wrote: >> >>> Absolutely, Jeff. This is exactly why we are getting the negativity. This is what happens when rumors run amuck and people buy into them. I ordered my 4S without reservations or any apprehensions. The camera, Siri and the better processor are simply worth the money to me. >>> >>> Take Care >>> John Panarese >>> jpanarese at mac-access.net >>> >>> >>> >>> On Oct 8, 2011, at 10:32 AM, Geoff Waaler wrote: >>> >>>> I'm very puzzled by a lot of the negative reaction to the 4S and suspect that many who are now mashing their teeth would have been singing Apple's praises had they announced an identical device, but instead named it the iPhone 5?!?! Frankly the specs mostly conform to the iPhone 5 roomers when these very people were counting down the days to Apple's iPhone 5 unveiling, and couldn't wait to get their hands on one. It wasn't anticipated that this model would add LTE support, and it didn't. Perhaps my perspective is different since I have a 3GS and am upgrade eligible, but I preordered my 64 GB 4S as soon as it was possible at ohh Dark hundred Friday morning and am anxiously awaiting its arrival!! If I already had a 4 and was not yet eligible for a carrier subsidized upgrade, I suspect I would have still been tempted by the 4S improvements, but probably would not have taken the leap. >>>> >>>> The following article entitled "why the iPhone 4S critics are wrong, wrong, wrong" presents an interesting counter argument to the source sited below: >>>> >>>> http://blogs.computerworld.com/19049/why_the_iphone_4s_critics_are_wrong_wrong_wrong >>>> >>>> Best regards, >>>> Geoff >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: william lomas >>>> To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility >>>> Sent: Saturday, October 08, 2011 8:39 AM >>>> Subject: is the iPhone 4s worth it? >>>> >>>> >>>> http://www.appolicious.com/tech/articles/9709-is-the-iphone-4s-worth-buying >>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>>> >>>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>>> . >>>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>>> >>>> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>> >>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>> >>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>>> >>>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>>> . >>>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>>> >>>> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>> >>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>> >>> >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>> >>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>> . >>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From geoff.waaler at gmail.com Sun Oct 9 06:24:58 2011 From: geoff.waaler at gmail.com (Geoff Waaler) Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2011 01:24:58 -0400 Subject: is the iPhone 4s worth it? References: <57642C6C-DE8A-41B1-BC0B-D2995DA4525D@gmail.com><3D36AE3F111849B98B44DDB63D476FEC@YOURZ8KUJVJGKY><2447D2D5-E782-4873-89A8-A54781DF9598@mac-access.net><954406FD-9857-4104-B143-03B1978C2315@gmail.com><7B3F24C8-44C5-42BC-B6B8-4711AA646E18@charter.net> Message-ID: <9D7DD045BB1147F1B6CF061AC82989E4@YOURZ8KUJVJGKY> >From what I've seen playing with Prizmo there is no issue whatsoever with OCR in IOS!! As stated previously I can get readable results on my 3GS despite a complete lack of light perception. Other voiceOver dependent users report consistently reliable results using an iPhone 4. Best regards. Geoff ----- Original Message ----- From: Candie Stiles To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility Sent: Sunday, October 09, 2011 12:23 AM Subject: Re: is the iPhone 4s worth it? I wonder if apple would consider developing it's own OCR app. By doing this they could eliminate the restrictions and create an app that produced excellent results. Candie On Oct 8, 2011, at 4:56 PM, Mike Arrigo wrote: > The real issue with OCR is the restrictions Apple has placed on what developers can do, I've heard that prismo works pretty well, but there are several things developers cannot do with regard to camera focus that can be done with android and Symbian. Hopefully apple will open the camera interface a bit more to developers, but who knows if that will happen. > On Oct 8, 2011, at 11:18 AM, william lomas wrote: > >> hope we do in general get a good OCR program though otherwise how can a camera ne worth it for blind users? >> >> On Oct 8, 2011, at 5:13 PM, John Panarese wrote: >> >>> Absolutely, Jeff. This is exactly why we are getting the negativity. This is what happens when rumors run amuck and people buy into them. I ordered my 4S without reservations or any apprehensions. The camera, Siri and the better processor are simply worth the money to me. >>> >>> Take Care >>> John Panarese >>> jpanarese at mac-access.net >>> >>> >>> >>> On Oct 8, 2011, at 10:32 AM, Geoff Waaler wrote: >>> >>>> I'm very puzzled by a lot of the negative reaction to the 4S and suspect that many who are now mashing their teeth would have been singing Apple's praises had they announced an identical device, but instead named it the iPhone 5?!?! Frankly the specs mostly conform to the iPhone 5 roomers when these very people were counting down the days to Apple's iPhone 5 unveiling, and couldn't wait to get their hands on one. It wasn't anticipated that this model would add LTE support, and it didn't. Perhaps my perspective is different since I have a 3GS and am upgrade eligible, but I preordered my 64 GB 4S as soon as it was possible at ohh Dark hundred Friday morning and am anxiously awaiting its arrival!! If I already had a 4 and was not yet eligible for a carrier subsidized upgrade, I suspect I would have still been tempted by the 4S improvements, but probably would not have taken the leap. >>>> >>>> The following article entitled "why the iPhone 4S critics are wrong, wrong, wrong" presents an interesting counter argument to the source sited below: >>>> >>>> http://blogs.computerworld.com/19049/why_the_iphone_4s_critics_are_wrong_wrong_wrong >>>> >>>> Best regards, >>>> Geoff >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: william lomas >>>> To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility >>>> Sent: Saturday, October 08, 2011 8:39 AM >>>> Subject: is the iPhone 4s worth it? >>>> >>>> >>>> http://www.appolicious.com/tech/articles/9709-is-the-iphone-4s-worth-buying >>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>>> >>>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>>> . >>>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>>> >>>> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>> >>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>> >>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>>> >>>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>>> . >>>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>>> >>>> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>> >>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>> >>> >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>> >>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>> . >>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: or at the public Mail Archive: . 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Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From will.d.lomas at gmail.com Sun Oct 9 06:26:58 2011 From: will.d.lomas at gmail.com (william lomas) Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2011 06:26:58 +0100 Subject: siri for the iPhone 4 ?????help please In-Reply-To: <5603E5D9-E0C8-4BF2-8C96-0201D2D6E4FF@virginmedia.com> References: <4E8FFF26.8030400@techno-chat.net> <5603E5D9-E0C8-4BF2-8C96-0201D2D6E4FF@virginmedia.com> Message-ID: <7F066BAA-22F3-4745-866B-448662C20DC4@gmail.com> yup it true On Oct 9, 2011, at 12:49 AM, Julie Vaughan wrote: > hi all > > my sister and i went onto a website about siri and they said that siri has been an app for ages but now they have brought out the 4s then it will no longer be available is this true only that for me would be great > > i have the iPhone 4 and can't upgrade till twelve months time but really want siri > > many thanks > > jules > any help on this would be great > > thanks > On 8 Oct 2011, at 08:43, chris hallsworth wrote: > >> http://tech-reviews.co.uk/news/siri-not-coming-to-iphone-4-or-iphone-3gs/ >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From will.d.lomas at gmail.com Sun Oct 9 06:27:53 2011 From: will.d.lomas at gmail.com (william lomas) Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2011 06:27:53 +0100 Subject: siri for the iPhone 4 ?????help please In-Reply-To: <3AA9D985-9575-457C-92ED-1C5540CE5562@googlemail.com> References: <4E8FFF26.8030400@techno-chat.net> <5603E5D9-E0C8-4BF2-8C96-0201D2D6E4FF@virginmedia.com> <3AA9D985-9575-457C-92ED-1C5540CE5562@googlemail.com> Message-ID: <4C6FCB95-4D43-4717-8D08-C82C4A3A2316@gmail.com> if it not a success the phone will b a flop apple r banking on this being a success. u can recycle your 4 julie with o2 recycle get 266 pounds and best rest to a som free sixteen gig and just keep your sim contract On Oct 9, 2011, at 1:00 AM, Ian McNamara wrote: > hi Jue i looked in to this my self. they've been very sneaky as it's not going to be available for the iphone four you'll have to get a iphone 4 s to have it or at least that's what i've heard but if any one knows diffrent then feel free to correct me. i think it's apples way of making people buy the iphone four s. > > Ian > On 9 Oct 2011, at 00:49, Julie Vaughan wrote: > >> hi all >> >> my sister and i went onto a website about siri and they said that siri has been an app for ages but now they have brought out the 4s then it will no longer be available is this true only that for me would be great >> >> i have the iPhone 4 and can't upgrade till twelve months time but really want siri >> >> many thanks >> >> jules >> any help on this would be great >> >> thanks >> On 8 Oct 2011, at 08:43, chris hallsworth wrote: >> >>> http://tech-reviews.co.uk/news/siri-not-coming-to-iphone-4-or-iphone-3gs/ >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>> >>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>> . >>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From will.d.lomas at gmail.com Sun Oct 9 06:28:28 2011 From: will.d.lomas at gmail.com (william lomas) Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2011 06:28:28 +0100 Subject: siri for the iPhone 4 ?????help please In-Reply-To: References: <4E8FFF26.8030400@techno-chat.net> <5603E5D9-E0C8-4BF2-8C96-0201D2D6E4FF@virginmedia.com> Message-ID: <062C5613-93F5-495D-9A61-6C2E49A40266@gmail.com> be interested to see its accuracy in real hands not potentially edited video On Oct 9, 2011, at 1:28 AM, Sarah Alawami wrote: > It is true. the p[processer can take it though. I can't remember the specks off hand but for seri to do all of that amazes me and kind of scares me to. > On Oct 8, 2011, at 4:49 PM, Julie Vaughan wrote: > >> hi all >> >> my sister and i went onto a website about siri and they said that siri has been an app for ages but now they have brought out the 4s then it will no longer be available is this true only that for me would be great >> >> i have the iPhone 4 and can't upgrade till twelve months time but really want siri >> >> many thanks >> >> jules >> any help on this would be great >> >> thanks >> On 8 Oct 2011, at 08:43, chris hallsworth wrote: >> >>> http://tech-reviews.co.uk/news/siri-not-coming-to-iphone-4-or-iphone-3gs/ >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>> >>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>> . >>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From gordonkeen at googlemail.com Sun Oct 9 09:08:08 2011 From: gordonkeen at googlemail.com (Gordon Keen) Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2011 09:08:08 +0100 Subject: Online ebook converter In-Reply-To: <5DFC131A-C1D6-46E7-B5D7-98222E19FB4E@gmail.com> References: <7449AD47-C1F2-4088-B39C-FF6B9F5EA81B@googlemail.com> <5DFC131A-C1D6-46E7-B5D7-98222E19FB4E@gmail.com> Message-ID: <66BEC36E-43A8-46E0-ACA7-F0F699BDFA6C@googlemail.com> Hi Do you know I've never tried it, mostly because if I buy a DRM ebook it's in my preferred format already. As some countries consider such an act illegal I would not encourage anyone to do so. Regards G From Bridgerule in glorious Devon, England. On 8 Oct 2011, at 18:11, Mary Otten wrote: > Hi Gordon, > Am I correct in supposing that the online book conversion site will not deal with books that have drm such as Kindle? > > Mary From support at mac-access.net Sun Oct 9 12:04:00 2011 From: support at mac-access.net (Gordon & Lynne) Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2011 12:04:00 +0100 Subject: List Policy Message-ID: <1FED98F8-1866-4095-BDFA-B38FD74A16DB@mac-access.net> Hello everybody OK, we are going to get tough on this as of now. If any individual persists with discussions on subjects which are not yet public, we will place them into moderated mode until they agree to comply. We made this clear in list policy and nobody has the excuse of net having been sent it because you were all sent it when you joined the group. As of now, iO5 is a banned subject until it is released. Lynne From lynne at mac-access.net Sun Oct 9 12:08:26 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2011 12:08:26 +0100 Subject: Hidden Files In-Reply-To: <562576EF-5D7E-4D18-8919-E8BE1BF4CECB@swbell.net> References: <562576EF-5D7E-4D18-8919-E8BE1BF4CECB@swbell.net> Message-ID: <146A7C63-C3E0-4C75-B7E1-05EE4DCA1B29@mac-access.net> Hello Mike Please keep your subject lines relevant. I have changed this from "Inquiry" because it's more descriptive of what you are asking. You can unhide files using certain utilities, or the Terminal from the command line. But I strongly advise you to be very careful with this as unlike Windows the OS use a lot of files which you may accidentally delete. Lynne On 9 Oct 2011, at 03:31, michael maslo wrote: Hi list: Was wondering if there was a way t I would be able to unhide files that are hidden? I know in windows you can unhide systems file and such but was wondering if there is a way to do that on a mac? tha <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: or at the public Mail Archive: . Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie Sun Oct 9 12:20:53 2011 From: dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie (=?iso-8859-1?Q?D=F3nal_Fitzpatrick?=) Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2011 12:20:53 +0100 Subject: opening up an iPhone 3gs. Message-ID: Just wondering has anyone ever done this? The headphone socket is dodgy as is the button that locks the phone. I could get it repaired but if I can do it myself ?. Donal D?nal Fitzpatrick dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie From gordon at mac-access.net Sun Oct 9 12:39:28 2011 From: gordon at mac-access.net (Gordon Smith) Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2011 12:39:28 +0100 Subject: opening up an iPhone 3gs. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Donal It's my understanding that the iPhone uses laminated membrane-based PCBs. I think you could probably get into it but I personally wouldn't try it. It's be far safer to allow somebody with the correct equipment to repair it for you. Gordon On 9 Oct 2011, at 12:20, D?nal Fitzpatrick wrote: Just wondering has anyone ever done this? The headphone socket is dodgy as is the button that locks the phone. I could get it repaired but if I can do it myself ?. From will.d.lomas at gmail.com Sun Oct 9 15:31:47 2011 From: will.d.lomas at gmail.com (william lomas) Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2011 15:31:47 +0100 Subject: national rail and siri Message-ID: hi all, does anyone know who the developer is for national rail ap here in the UK? Wouldn't it be good if not just in britain but in general we could say to the phone when is the next train to so and so, and it knows where w e r and then tells us when the next train is leaving? From chris.hallsworth at techno-chat.net Sun Oct 9 16:10:29 2011 From: chris.hallsworth at techno-chat.net (chris hallsworth) Date: Sun, 09 Oct 2011 16:10:29 +0100 Subject: Help with Facebook for iPhone Message-ID: <4E91B965.4030002@techno-chat.net> Hello all. Please can you help? I have an iPod Touch 4G and I use the official app from Facebook. I received a notification that someone added me as a friend. No problem. So I double tap to view the notification. But guess what? I can't find how to act on it! Lol! So how do I do this please? All help will be greatly appreciated! Thanks! From chris.hallsworth at techno-chat.net Sun Oct 9 16:27:39 2011 From: chris.hallsworth at techno-chat.net (chris hallsworth) Date: Sun, 09 Oct 2011 16:27:39 +0100 Subject: Whats App Message-ID: <4E91BD6B.5070604@techno-chat.net> I purchased and downloaded this earlier from my computer. I have iTunes set up so that any apps or books I download to my computer will be automatically downloaded to my iPod Touch 4G. The querk here is that Whats App didn't download to my iPod. What's going on please? Thanks! From will.d.lomas at gmail.com Sun Oct 9 16:33:14 2011 From: will.d.lomas at gmail.com (william lomas) Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2011 16:33:14 +0100 Subject: podcasts Message-ID: <074EBCF7-09F2-40F1-97A6-4DC58EB25E48@gmail.com> hi all, can iTunes on an iPhone handle podcasts, please? or do i need the dedicated client like pod catcher to get them? From james.austin at mac-access.net Sun Oct 9 16:41:37 2011 From: james.austin at mac-access.net (James AUSTIN) Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2011 16:41:37 +0100 Subject: podcasts In-Reply-To: <074EBCF7-09F2-40F1-97A6-4DC58EB25E48@gmail.com> References: <074EBCF7-09F2-40F1-97A6-4DC58EB25E48@gmail.com> Message-ID: <9C9DD236-6FAF-4B52-AFD2-698EB3C12F45@mac-access.net> When you say "handle" podcasts, do you mean download them, to which the answer is yes. Think of iTunes on the iPhone as a music store. The iPod app is what is used to play them though. TC :) james On 9 Oct 2011, at 16:33, william lomas wrote: > hi all, can iTunes on an iPhone handle podcasts, please? > or do i need the dedicated client like pod catcher to get them? > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From will.d.lomas at gmail.com Sun Oct 9 16:43:33 2011 From: will.d.lomas at gmail.com (william lomas) Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2011 16:43:33 +0100 Subject: podcasts In-Reply-To: <9C9DD236-6FAF-4B52-AFD2-698EB3C12F45@mac-access.net> References: <074EBCF7-09F2-40F1-97A6-4DC58EB25E48@gmail.com> <9C9DD236-6FAF-4B52-AFD2-698EB3C12F45@mac-access.net> Message-ID: no but i mean save it i transfer podcasts i want form my mac to IOS device, can iTunes download new eps? On Oct 9, 2011, at 4:41 PM, James AUSTIN wrote: > When you say "handle" podcasts, do you mean download them, to which the answer is yes. Think of iTunes on the iPhone as a music store. The iPod app is what is used to play them though. > > TC :) > james > On 9 Oct 2011, at 16:33, william lomas wrote: > >> hi all, can iTunes on an iPhone handle podcasts, please? >> or do i need the dedicated client like pod catcher to get them? >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From will.d.lomas at gmail.com Sun Oct 9 16:44:14 2011 From: will.d.lomas at gmail.com (william lomas) Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2011 16:44:14 +0100 Subject: Whats App In-Reply-To: <4E91BD6B.5070604@techno-chat.net> References: <4E91BD6B.5070604@techno-chat.net> Message-ID: <15410C2C-22D3-48D7-B1CB-F8341F6E2CDB@gmail.com> why not just download it straight on the iPod lol save yourself the trouble On Oct 9, 2011, at 4:27 PM, chris hallsworth wrote: > I purchased and downloaded this earlier from my computer. I have iTunes set up so that any apps or books I download to my computer will be automatically downloaded to my iPod Touch 4G. The querk here is that Whats App didn't download to my iPod. What's going on please? Thanks! > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From doug.cam3 at gmail.com Sun Oct 9 17:09:31 2011 From: doug.cam3 at gmail.com (douglas rudolph) Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2011 10:09:31 -0600 Subject: Help with Facebook for iPhone In-Reply-To: <4E91B965.4030002@techno-chat.net> References: <4E91B965.4030002@techno-chat.net> Message-ID: <63982134D56B4C388AE4FF56B5A0EA6D@dougPC> go into your friends section of the app, bottom right is a button called requests, go into there n accept This email may contain personal identifyable information. Copy, relay, redistributions, and or reading of these emails is strictly prohibited, unless you are the intended recipiant of this email, and this intended recipiant only. If this is not the intended recipiant, then you are requested to delete this message immediately and notify sender. Douglas Rudolph Tel: 1306-565-2056 Cell: 1306-450-0153 Email: doug.cam3 at gmail.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "chris hallsworth" To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" Sent: Sunday, October 09, 2011 9:10 AM Subject: Help with Facebook for iPhone > Hello all. > Please can you help? > I have an iPod Touch 4G and I use the official app from Facebook. I > received a notification that someone added me as a friend. No problem. So > I double tap to view the notification. But guess what? I can't find how to > act on it! Lol! > So how do I do this please? All help will be greatly appreciated! > Thanks! > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum > at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus > and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting > the list website at: > From chris.hallsworth at techno-chat.net Sun Oct 9 17:43:27 2011 From: chris.hallsworth at techno-chat.net (chris hallsworth) Date: Sun, 09 Oct 2011 17:43:27 +0100 Subject: Help with Facebook for iPhone In-Reply-To: <63982134D56B4C388AE4FF56B5A0EA6D@dougPC> References: <4E91B965.4030002@techno-chat.net> <63982134D56B4C388AE4FF56B5A0EA6D@dougPC> Message-ID: <4E91CF2F.9040107@techno-chat.net> Thanks, this worked a treat! On 09/10/2011 17:09, douglas rudolph wrote: > go into your friends section of the app, bottom right is a button called > requests, go into there n accept > > This email may contain personal identifyable information. Copy, relay, > redistributions, and or reading of these emails is strictly prohibited, > unless you are the intended recipiant of this email, and this intended > recipiant only. If this is not the intended recipiant, then you are > requested to delete this message immediately and notify sender. > Douglas Rudolph > Tel: 1306-565-2056 > Cell: 1306-450-0153 > Email: doug.cam3 at gmail.com > ----- Original Message ----- From: "chris hallsworth" > > To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" > Sent: Sunday, October 09, 2011 9:10 AM > Subject: Help with Facebook for iPhone > > >> Hello all. >> Please can you help? >> I have an iPod Touch 4G and I use the official app from Facebook. I >> received a notification that someone added me as a friend. No problem. >> So I double tap to view the notification. But guess what? I can't find >> how to act on it! Lol! >> So how do I do this please? All help will be greatly appreciated! >> Thanks! >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to >> mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum >> at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, >> virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by >> visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum > at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, > virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by > visiting the list website at: > > From chris.hallsworth at techno-chat.net Sun Oct 9 17:43:39 2011 From: chris.hallsworth at techno-chat.net (chris hallsworth) Date: Sun, 09 Oct 2011 17:43:39 +0100 Subject: Whats App In-Reply-To: <15410C2C-22D3-48D7-B1CB-F8341F6E2CDB@gmail.com> References: <4E91BD6B.5070604@techno-chat.net> <15410C2C-22D3-48D7-B1CB-F8341F6E2CDB@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4E91CF3B.5070303@techno-chat.net> Lol very true. On 09/10/2011 16:44, william lomas wrote: > why not just download it straight on the iPod lol save yourself the trouble > > On Oct 9, 2011, at 4:27 PM, chris hallsworth wrote: > >> I purchased and downloaded this earlier from my computer. I have iTunes set up so that any apps or books I download to my computer will be automatically downloaded to my iPod Touch 4G. The querk here is that Whats App didn't download to my iPod. What's going on please? Thanks! >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > > From marrie12 at gmail.com Sun Oct 9 17:44:46 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2011 09:44:46 -0700 Subject: podcasts In-Reply-To: References: <074EBCF7-09F2-40F1-97A6-4DC58EB25E48@gmail.com> <9C9DD236-6FAF-4B52-AFD2-698EB3C12F45@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <9CE199CB-2B6E-43E4-85A6-71108DAF6A82@gmail.com> It sort of can. You download them using the itunes app and then oi synch to yoru mac and it should transfer over. Take care. On Oct 9, 2011, at 8:43 AM, william lomas wrote: > no but i mean save it i transfer podcasts i want form my mac to IOS device, can iTunes download new eps? > > On Oct 9, 2011, at 4:41 PM, James AUSTIN wrote: > >> When you say "handle" podcasts, do you mean download them, to which the answer is yes. Think of iTunes on the iPhone as a music store. The iPod app is what is used to play them though. >> >> TC :) >> james >> On 9 Oct 2011, at 16:33, william lomas wrote: >> >>> hi all, can iTunes on an iPhone handle podcasts, please? >>> or do i need the dedicated client like pod catcher to get them? >>> >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>> >>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>> . >>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From will.d.lomas at gmail.com Sun Oct 9 18:06:32 2011 From: will.d.lomas at gmail.com (william lomas) Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2011 18:06:32 +0100 Subject: want to upgrade now Message-ID: hi iw ill have to upgrade as all my music takes up nearly all my sixteen gigs lol no room for podcasts want one device for everything From marrie12 at gmail.com Sun Oct 9 18:36:46 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2011 10:36:46 -0700 Subject: an update on my python crashing Message-ID: <9C427285-2F65-4115-88B4-7C7173C80E22@gmail.com> Well, python still is crashing. How ever through testing we've determined that something in the python thing on os lion might have some how become corrupt in the night. I installed python 2.71 Or maybe it was 2.72, It was the one released on june 11 of this year. Anyway, i cannot get clisk to see that version. I did not click the profile updater as i did not want to break anything more then it was already broken. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks. From marrie12 at gmail.com Sun Oct 9 18:46:54 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2011 10:46:54 -0700 Subject: want to upgrade now In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4EAA5426-0F19-4445-BC12-A0F8343E42E0@gmail.com> lol. I'll have to wait until june but I also plan on getting the 32 gig oner. My friend wants to get the 64 gig as he does a lot of video and with 1080p that I think will take up a lot of space. Take care all. On Oct 9, 2011, at 10:06 AM, william lomas wrote: > hi iw ill have to upgrade as all my music takes up nearly all my sixteen gigs lol no room for podcasts want one device for everything > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From geoff.waaler at gmail.com Sun Oct 9 19:09:02 2011 From: geoff.waaler at gmail.com (Geoff Waaler) Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2011 14:09:02 -0400 Subject: national rail and siri References: Message-ID: Your question peeked my curiosity since I've been pleasantly surprised at what the Siri app understands. First of all, when I launched Siri it displayed a notice that it will seas to function on October 15. I was aware that the app was removed from the store, but next Saturday anyone who already has it without a 4S will be SOL, but I digress. I asked "What time is the next train from Durham to Washington, DC?". Siri admonished that it does not yet have train schedules and offered to search the web. It then placed me on the Amtrak site which presumably is the equivalent to National Rail over there. Its not inconceivable that this kind of information will be available in the near future -- the possibilities are boundless actually!! Best regards. Geoff ----- Original Message ----- From: william lomas To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility Sent: Sunday, October 09, 2011 10:31 AM Subject: national rail and siri hi all, does anyone know who the developer is for national rail ap here in the UK? Wouldn't it be good if not just in britain but in general we could say to the phone when is the next train to so and so, and it knows where w e r and then tells us when the next train is leaving? <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: or at the public Mail Archive: . Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From will.d.lomas at gmail.com Sun Oct 9 19:12:38 2011 From: will.d.lomas at gmail.com (william lomas) Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2011 19:12:38 +0100 Subject: national rail and siri In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: yes the national rail application uses www.nationalrail.co.uk to get its data On Oct 9, 2011, at 7:09 PM, Geoff Waaler wrote: > Your question peeked my curiosity since I've been pleasantly surprised at what the Siri app understands. > > First of all, when I launched Siri it displayed a notice that it will seas to function on October 15. I was aware that the app was removed from the store, but next Saturday anyone who already has it without a 4S will be SOL, but I digress. > > I asked "What time is the next train from Durham to Washington, DC?". Siri admonished that it does not yet have train schedules and offered to search the web. It then placed me on the Amtrak site which presumably is the equivalent to National Rail over there. Its not inconceivable that this kind of information will be available in the near future -- the possibilities are boundless actually!! > > Best regards. > Geoff > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: william lomas > To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility > Sent: Sunday, October 09, 2011 10:31 AM > Subject: national rail and siri > > > hi all, does anyone know who the developer is for national rail ap here in the UK? > Wouldn't it be good if not just in britain but in general we could say to the phone when is the next train to so and so, and it knows where w e r and then tells us when the next train is leaving? > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From chris.hallsworth at techno-chat.net Sun Oct 9 19:13:42 2011 From: chris.hallsworth at techno-chat.net (chris hallsworth) Date: Sun, 09 Oct 2011 19:13:42 +0100 Subject: Whats App In-Reply-To: <4E91CF3B.5070303@techno-chat.net> References: <4E91BD6B.5070604@techno-chat.net> <15410C2C-22D3-48D7-B1CB-F8341F6E2CDB@gmail.com> <4E91CF3B.5070303@techno-chat.net> Message-ID: <4E91E456.6060804@techno-chat.net> Lol just discovered it's not compatible with my iPod according to their FAQ! This is the first time I have seen that an app only works for the iPhone. It will still be useful though for when I get an iPhone. So all is not lost. On 09/10/2011 17:43, chris hallsworth wrote: > Lol very true. > > On 09/10/2011 16:44, william lomas wrote: >> why not just download it straight on the iPod lol save yourself the >> trouble >> >> On Oct 9, 2011, at 4:27 PM, chris hallsworth wrote: >> >>> I purchased and downloaded this earlier from my computer. I have >>> iTunes set up so that any apps or books I download to my computer >>> will be automatically downloaded to my iPod Touch 4G. The querk here >>> is that Whats App didn't download to my iPod. What's going on please? >>> Thanks! >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to >>> mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access >>> forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>> >>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>> . >>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, >>> virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by >>> visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to >> mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum >> at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, >> virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by >> visiting the list website at: >> >> > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum > at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, > virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by > visiting the list website at: > > From will.d.lomas at gmail.com Sun Oct 9 19:14:08 2011 From: will.d.lomas at gmail.com (william lomas) Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2011 19:14:08 +0100 Subject: want to upgrade now In-Reply-To: <4EAA5426-0F19-4445-BC12-A0F8343E42E0@gmail.com> References: <4EAA5426-0F19-4445-BC12-A0F8343E42E0@gmail.com> Message-ID: going to wait though until a few of you guys have really put siri through its paces both in US and where i live, UK On Oct 9, 2011, at 6:46 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote: > lol. I'll have to wait until june but I also plan on getting the 32 gig oner. My friend wants to get the 64 gig as he does a lot of video and with 1080p that I think will take up a lot of space. > > Take care all. > On Oct 9, 2011, at 10:06 AM, william lomas wrote: > >> hi iw ill have to upgrade as all my music takes up nearly all my sixteen gigs lol no room for podcasts want one device for everything >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From will.d.lomas at gmail.com Sun Oct 9 19:20:28 2011 From: will.d.lomas at gmail.com (william lomas) Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2011 19:20:28 +0100 Subject: Whats App In-Reply-To: <4E91E456.6060804@techno-chat.net> References: <4E91BD6B.5070604@techno-chat.net> <15410C2C-22D3-48D7-B1CB-F8341F6E2CDB@gmail.com> <4E91CF3B.5070303@techno-chat.net> <4E91E456.6060804@techno-chat.net> Message-ID: <0A787CAB-3115-4296-A3B0-74B4251CE361@gmail.com> which iPhone you getting, the 4s? don't c why people need iPod touch and iPhone what the point? just buy the one device they all expensive, anyway On Oct 9, 2011, at 7:13 PM, chris hallsworth wrote: > Lol just discovered it's not compatible with my iPod according to their FAQ! This is the first time I have seen that an app only works for the iPhone. It will still be useful though for when I get an iPhone. So all is not lost. > > On 09/10/2011 17:43, chris hallsworth wrote: >> Lol very true. >> >> On 09/10/2011 16:44, william lomas wrote: >>> why not just download it straight on the iPod lol save yourself the >>> trouble >>> >>> On Oct 9, 2011, at 4:27 PM, chris hallsworth wrote: >>> >>>> I purchased and downloaded this earlier from my computer. I have >>>> iTunes set up so that any apps or books I download to my computer >>>> will be automatically downloaded to my iPod Touch 4G. The querk here >>>> is that Whats App didn't download to my iPod. What's going on please? >>>> Thanks! >>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to >>>> mac-access at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access >>>> forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>>> >>>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>>> . >>>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>>> >>>> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, >>>> virus and worm-free! >>>> >>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by >>>> visiting the list website at: >>>> >>> >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to >>> mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum >>> at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>> >>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>> . >>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, >>> virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by >>> visiting the list website at: >>> >>> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to >> mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum >> at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, >> virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by >> visiting the list website at: >> >> > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From chris.hallsworth at techno-chat.net Sun Oct 9 20:09:35 2011 From: chris.hallsworth at techno-chat.net (chris hallsworth) Date: Sun, 09 Oct 2011 20:09:35 +0100 Subject: Whats App In-Reply-To: <0A787CAB-3115-4296-A3B0-74B4251CE361@gmail.com> References: <4E91BD6B.5070604@techno-chat.net> <15410C2C-22D3-48D7-B1CB-F8341F6E2CDB@gmail.com> <4E91CF3B.5070303@techno-chat.net> <4E91E456.6060804@techno-chat.net> <0A787CAB-3115-4296-A3B0-74B4251CE361@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4E91F16F.90105@techno-chat.net> I got iPod Touch so I can get used to the touch screen. I know some have moved straight to the iPhone but I think most of us got an iPod Touch or iPad first. Just my thoughts. On 09/10/2011 19:20, william lomas wrote: > which iPhone you getting, the 4s? > don't c why people need iPod touch and iPhone what the point? just buy the one device they all expensive, anyway > > On Oct 9, 2011, at 7:13 PM, chris hallsworth wrote: > >> Lol just discovered it's not compatible with my iPod according to their FAQ! This is the first time I have seen that an app only works for the iPhone. It will still be useful though for when I get an iPhone. So all is not lost. >> >> On 09/10/2011 17:43, chris hallsworth wrote: >>> Lol very true. >>> >>> On 09/10/2011 16:44, william lomas wrote: >>>> why not just download it straight on the iPod lol save yourself the >>>> trouble >>>> >>>> On Oct 9, 2011, at 4:27 PM, chris hallsworth wrote: >>>> >>>>> I purchased and downloaded this earlier from my computer. I have >>>>> iTunes set up so that any apps or books I download to my computer >>>>> will be automatically downloaded to my iPod Touch 4G. The querk here >>>>> is that Whats App didn't download to my iPod. What's going on please? >>>>> Thanks! >>>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>>> >>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to >>>>> mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>> >>>>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access >>>>> forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>>>> >>>>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>>>> . >>>>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, >>>>> virus and worm-free! >>>>> >>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by >>>>> visiting the list website at: >>>>> >>>> >>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to >>>> mac-access at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum >>>> at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>>> >>>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>>> . >>>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>>> >>>> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, >>>> virus and worm-free! >>>> >>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by >>>> visiting the list website at: >>>> >>>> >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to >>> mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum >>> at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>> >>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>> . >>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, >>> virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by >>> visiting the list website at: >>> >>> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > > From will.d.lomas at gmail.com Sun Oct 9 20:20:21 2011 From: will.d.lomas at gmail.com (william lomas) Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2011 20:20:21 +0100 Subject: Whats App In-Reply-To: <4E91F16F.90105@techno-chat.net> References: <4E91BD6B.5070604@techno-chat.net> <15410C2C-22D3-48D7-B1CB-F8341F6E2CDB@gmail.com> <4E91CF3B.5070303@techno-chat.net> <4E91E456.6060804@techno-chat.net> <0A787CAB-3115-4296-A3B0-74B4251CE361@gmail.com> <4E91F16F.90105@techno-chat.net> Message-ID: iphone 4 not that good as a phone imho great for everything else like your touch but naif as a phone On Oct 9, 2011, at 8:09 PM, chris hallsworth wrote: > I got iPod Touch so I can get used to the touch screen. I know some have moved straight to the iPhone but I think most of us got an iPod Touch or iPad first. Just my thoughts. > > On 09/10/2011 19:20, william lomas wrote: >> which iPhone you getting, the 4s? >> don't c why people need iPod touch and iPhone what the point? just buy the one device they all expensive, anyway >> >> On Oct 9, 2011, at 7:13 PM, chris hallsworth wrote: >> >>> Lol just discovered it's not compatible with my iPod according to their FAQ! This is the first time I have seen that an app only works for the iPhone. It will still be useful though for when I get an iPhone. So all is not lost. >>> >>> On 09/10/2011 17:43, chris hallsworth wrote: >>>> Lol very true. >>>> >>>> On 09/10/2011 16:44, william lomas wrote: >>>>> why not just download it straight on the iPod lol save yourself the >>>>> trouble >>>>> >>>>> On Oct 9, 2011, at 4:27 PM, chris hallsworth wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I purchased and downloaded this earlier from my computer. I have >>>>>> iTunes set up so that any apps or books I download to my computer >>>>>> will be automatically downloaded to my iPod Touch 4G. The querk here >>>>>> is that Whats App didn't download to my iPod. What's going on please? >>>>>> Thanks! >>>>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>>>> >>>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to >>>>>> mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>>> >>>>>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access >>>>>> forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>>>>> >>>>>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>>>>> . >>>>>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, >>>>>> virus and worm-free! >>>>>> >>>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by >>>>>> visiting the list website at: >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>>> >>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to >>>>> mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>> >>>>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum >>>>> at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>>>> >>>>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>>>> . >>>>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, >>>>> virus and worm-free! >>>>> >>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by >>>>> visiting the list website at: >>>>> >>>>> >>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to >>>> mac-access at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum >>>> at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>>> >>>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>>> . >>>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>>> >>>> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, >>>> virus and worm-free! >>>> >>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by >>>> visiting the list website at: >>>> >>>> >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>> >>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>> . >>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> >> > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From marrie12 at gmail.com Sun Oct 9 21:19:26 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2011 13:19:26 -0700 Subject: Whats App In-Reply-To: References: <4E91BD6B.5070604@techno-chat.net> <15410C2C-22D3-48D7-B1CB-F8341F6E2CDB@gmail.com> <4E91CF3B.5070303@techno-chat.net> <4E91E456.6060804@techno-chat.net> <0A787CAB-3115-4296-A3B0-74B4251CE361@gmail.com> <4E91F16F.90105@techno-chat.net> Message-ID: <32D27698-0EC9-4142-A451-7D004BD6C9E4@gmail.com> I beg to differ. I can make phone calls, text and so forth. It just takes some getting used to just like everything else we do. Stick with it. On Oct 9, 2011, at 12:20 PM, william lomas wrote: > iphone 4 not that good as a phone imho > great for everything else like your touch but naif as a phone > > On Oct 9, 2011, at 8:09 PM, chris hallsworth wrote: > >> I got iPod Touch so I can get used to the touch screen. I know some have moved straight to the iPhone but I think most of us got an iPod Touch or iPad first. Just my thoughts. >> >> On 09/10/2011 19:20, william lomas wrote: >>> which iPhone you getting, the 4s? >>> don't c why people need iPod touch and iPhone what the point? just buy the one device they all expensive, anyway >>> >>> On Oct 9, 2011, at 7:13 PM, chris hallsworth wrote: >>> >>>> Lol just discovered it's not compatible with my iPod according to their FAQ! This is the first time I have seen that an app only works for the iPhone. It will still be useful though for when I get an iPhone. So all is not lost. >>>> >>>> On 09/10/2011 17:43, chris hallsworth wrote: >>>>> Lol very true. >>>>> >>>>> On 09/10/2011 16:44, william lomas wrote: >>>>>> why not just download it straight on the iPod lol save yourself the >>>>>> trouble >>>>>> >>>>>> On Oct 9, 2011, at 4:27 PM, chris hallsworth wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> I purchased and downloaded this earlier from my computer. I have >>>>>>> iTunes set up so that any apps or books I download to my computer >>>>>>> will be automatically downloaded to my iPod Touch 4G. The querk here >>>>>>> is that Whats App didn't download to my iPod. What's going on please? >>>>>>> Thanks! >>>>>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to >>>>>>> mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access >>>>>>> forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>>>>>> . >>>>>>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, >>>>>>> virus and worm-free! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by >>>>>>> visiting the list website at: >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>>>> >>>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to >>>>>> mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>>> >>>>>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum >>>>>> at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>>>>> >>>>>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>>>>> . >>>>>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, >>>>>> virus and worm-free! >>>>>> >>>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by >>>>>> visiting the list website at: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>>> >>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to >>>>> mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>> >>>>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum >>>>> at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>>>> >>>>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>>>> . >>>>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, >>>>> virus and worm-free! >>>>> >>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by >>>>> visiting the list website at: >>>>> >>>>> >>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>>> >>>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>>> . >>>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>>> >>>> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>> >>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>> >>> >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>> >>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>> . >>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >>> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From will.d.lomas at gmail.com Sun Oct 9 21:22:55 2011 From: will.d.lomas at gmail.com (william lomas) Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2011 21:22:55 +0100 Subject: Whats App In-Reply-To: <32D27698-0EC9-4142-A451-7D004BD6C9E4@gmail.com> References: <4E91BD6B.5070604@techno-chat.net> <15410C2C-22D3-48D7-B1CB-F8341F6E2CDB@gmail.com> <4E91CF3B.5070303@techno-chat.net> <4E91E456.6060804@techno-chat.net> <0A787CAB-3115-4296-A3B0-74B4251CE361@gmail.com> <4E91F16F.90105@techno-chat.net> <32D27698-0EC9-4142-A451-7D004BD6C9E4@gmail.com> Message-ID: <91A371F9-C724-4514-A196-0C76553DBB38@gmail.com> no i mean it's quality on the phone not in its usage On Oct 9, 2011, at 9:19 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote: > I beg to differ. I can make phone calls, text and so forth. It just takes some getting used to just like everything else we do. Stick with it. > On Oct 9, 2011, at 12:20 PM, william lomas wrote: > >> iphone 4 not that good as a phone imho >> great for everything else like your touch but naif as a phone >> >> On Oct 9, 2011, at 8:09 PM, chris hallsworth wrote: >> >>> I got iPod Touch so I can get used to the touch screen. I know some have moved straight to the iPhone but I think most of us got an iPod Touch or iPad first. Just my thoughts. >>> >>> On 09/10/2011 19:20, william lomas wrote: >>>> which iPhone you getting, the 4s? >>>> don't c why people need iPod touch and iPhone what the point? just buy the one device they all expensive, anyway >>>> >>>> On Oct 9, 2011, at 7:13 PM, chris hallsworth wrote: >>>> >>>>> Lol just discovered it's not compatible with my iPod according to their FAQ! This is the first time I have seen that an app only works for the iPhone. It will still be useful though for when I get an iPhone. So all is not lost. >>>>> >>>>> On 09/10/2011 17:43, chris hallsworth wrote: >>>>>> Lol very true. >>>>>> >>>>>> On 09/10/2011 16:44, william lomas wrote: >>>>>>> why not just download it straight on the iPod lol save yourself the >>>>>>> trouble >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Oct 9, 2011, at 4:27 PM, chris hallsworth wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I purchased and downloaded this earlier from my computer. I have >>>>>>>> iTunes set up so that any apps or books I download to my computer >>>>>>>> will be automatically downloaded to my iPod Touch 4G. The querk here >>>>>>>> is that Whats App didn't download to my iPod. What's going on please? >>>>>>>> Thanks! >>>>>>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to >>>>>>>> mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access >>>>>>>> forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, >>>>>>>> virus and worm-free! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by >>>>>>>> visiting the list website at: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to >>>>>>> mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum >>>>>>> at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>>>>>> . >>>>>>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, >>>>>>> virus and worm-free! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by >>>>>>> visiting the list website at: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>>>> >>>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to >>>>>> mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>>> >>>>>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum >>>>>> at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>>>>> >>>>>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>>>>> . >>>>>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, >>>>>> virus and worm-free! >>>>>> >>>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by >>>>>> visiting the list website at: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>>> >>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>> >>>>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>>>> >>>>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>>>> . >>>>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>>> >>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>>> >>>> >>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>>> >>>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>>> . >>>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>>> >>>> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>> >>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>> >>>> >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>> >>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>> . >>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From mfurness at bell.net Sun Oct 9 21:27:14 2011 From: mfurness at bell.net (Mark Furness) Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2011 16:27:14 -0400 Subject: lion deleting bookmarks Message-ID: I tried following instructions when I ran sl. How does one do this in Lion Mark? I thought I was a god, but then found out I'm only dyslexic. From mfurness at bell.net Sun Oct 9 21:42:06 2011 From: mfurness at bell.net (Mark Furness) Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2011 16:42:06 -0400 Subject: fixedRe: lion deleting bookmarks In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: My instructions said to left arrow. Then I decided to right arrow. Listened closely and problemed solved Mark. On 2011-10-09, at 4:27 PM, Mark Furness wrote: > I tried following instructions when I ran sl. > How does one do this in Lion > > Mark? > I thought I was a god, but then found out I'm only dyslexic. > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > > I thought I was a god, but then found out I'm only dyslexic. From lynne at mac-access.net Sun Oct 9 22:10:17 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2011 22:10:17 +0100 Subject: podcasts In-Reply-To: References: <074EBCF7-09F2-40F1-97A6-4DC58EB25E48@gmail.com> <9C9DD236-6FAF-4B52-AFD2-698EB3C12F45@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <0032B466-AD1D-46AE-91B2-37BCF6902DEC@mac-access.net> Hello William Yes, you can sync them just as any other content as far as I know. Lynne On 9 Oct 2011, at 16:43, william lomas wrote: no but i mean save it i transfer podcasts i want form my mac to IOS device, can iTunes download new eps? From marrie12 at gmail.com Sun Oct 9 22:12:27 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2011 14:12:27 -0700 Subject: Whats App In-Reply-To: <91A371F9-C724-4514-A196-0C76553DBB38@gmail.com> References: <4E91BD6B.5070604@techno-chat.net> <15410C2C-22D3-48D7-B1CB-F8341F6E2CDB@gmail.com> <4E91CF3B.5070303@techno-chat.net> <4E91E456.6060804@techno-chat.net> <0A787CAB-3115-4296-A3B0-74B4251CE361@gmail.com> <4E91F16F.90105@techno-chat.net> <32D27698-0EC9-4142-A451-7D004BD6C9E4@gmail.com> <91A371F9-C724-4514-A196-0C76553DBB38@gmail.com> Message-ID: Oh oops? I've never heard what's app on the ipod but the quality is clear enough for me to understand whenI talk to my family over seas. Take care. and enjoy the app. it is a cool one to use. On Oct 9, 2011, at 1:22 PM, william lomas wrote: > no i mean it's quality on the phone not in its usage > > On Oct 9, 2011, at 9:19 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote: > >> I beg to differ. I can make phone calls, text and so forth. It just takes some getting used to just like everything else we do. Stick with it. >> On Oct 9, 2011, at 12:20 PM, william lomas wrote: >> >>> iphone 4 not that good as a phone imho >>> great for everything else like your touch but naif as a phone >>> >>> On Oct 9, 2011, at 8:09 PM, chris hallsworth wrote: >>> >>>> I got iPod Touch so I can get used to the touch screen. I know some have moved straight to the iPhone but I think most of us got an iPod Touch or iPad first. Just my thoughts. >>>> >>>> On 09/10/2011 19:20, william lomas wrote: >>>>> which iPhone you getting, the 4s? >>>>> don't c why people need iPod touch and iPhone what the point? just buy the one device they all expensive, anyway >>>>> >>>>> On Oct 9, 2011, at 7:13 PM, chris hallsworth wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Lol just discovered it's not compatible with my iPod according to their FAQ! This is the first time I have seen that an app only works for the iPhone. It will still be useful though for when I get an iPhone. So all is not lost. >>>>>> >>>>>> On 09/10/2011 17:43, chris hallsworth wrote: >>>>>>> Lol very true. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 09/10/2011 16:44, william lomas wrote: >>>>>>>> why not just download it straight on the iPod lol save yourself the >>>>>>>> trouble >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Oct 9, 2011, at 4:27 PM, chris hallsworth wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I purchased and downloaded this earlier from my computer. I have >>>>>>>>> iTunes set up so that any apps or books I download to my computer >>>>>>>>> will be automatically downloaded to my iPod Touch 4G. The querk here >>>>>>>>> is that Whats App didn't download to my iPod. What's going on please? >>>>>>>>> Thanks! >>>>>>>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to >>>>>>>>> mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access >>>>>>>>> forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, >>>>>>>>> virus and worm-free! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by >>>>>>>>> visiting the list website at: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to >>>>>>>> mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum >>>>>>>> at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, >>>>>>>> virus and worm-free! 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>>>>>> >>>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>>> >>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>> >>>>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>>>> >>>>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>>>> . >>>>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>>> >>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>>> >>>>> >>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>>> >>>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>>> . >>>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>>> >>>> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>> >>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>> >>> >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>> >>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>> . >>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie Sun Oct 9 22:14:02 2011 From: dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie (=?iso-8859-1?Q?D=F3nal_Fitzpatrick?=) Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2011 22:14:02 +0100 Subject: Adobe Digital Editions preview: page navigation. Message-ID: <11663205-A50D-4D68-9DB2-26FBA5CE302A@computing.dcu.ie> Hi all, I've been playing with this and I have the following observation. If you want a piece of software that just starts at the beginning of the book and keeps reading, this probably isn't for you. If, on the other hand, you have no problem with moving from page to page (or need this for work/educational reasons) then the app isn't bad. One thing is a bit flakey though and that is the actual mechanics of "turning" the page. As Anne and possibly others pointed out in previous mails, the right/left arrow keys move forward and backwards through the document a page at a time. However, I've found that sometimes this key doesn't work. The most common occasion where this happens is when I put the edit cursor into the field which allows me to type the page number I wish to go to. Then when I use vo-left to go back to the book content, the keyboard focus stays in the edit field, so left-right arrow navigates through the page number and does not "turn" the page. The way I've found around this is to put the VO cursor on the portion of the screen containing the book content, and then route the keyboard to it using vo-cmd-f4. This *seems* to resolve the conflicts but I've not tested it thoroughly enough to be 100% certain. HTH.D?nal Fitzpatrick dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie From support at mac-access.net Sun Oct 9 22:15:11 2011 From: support at mac-access.net (Gordon & Lynne) Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2011 22:15:11 +0100 Subject: Subject Lines Message-ID: Hello everybody Time for another gentle reminder. Please make your subject lines indicative of what you have to say. Subject lines such as "What's This", "Podcasts" or similar are not helpful. Remember please that people don't always have the time to open every message and your nondescript subject lines don't encourage people to open your messages. It isn't difficult, just make the subject lines relevant to what you want to talk about. We're all guilty of forgetfulness, including yours truly. But can we try a little harder please? Lynne From lynne at mac-access.net Sun Oct 9 22:26:04 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2011 22:26:04 +0100 Subject: Whats App In-Reply-To: <32D27698-0EC9-4142-A451-7D004BD6C9E4@gmail.com> References: <4E91BD6B.5070604@techno-chat.net> <15410C2C-22D3-48D7-B1CB-F8341F6E2CDB@gmail.com> <4E91CF3B.5070303@techno-chat.net> <4E91E456.6060804@techno-chat.net> <0A787CAB-3115-4296-A3B0-74B4251CE361@gmail.com> <4E91F16F.90105@techno-chat.net> <32D27698-0EC9-4142-A451-7D004BD6C9E4@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hello everybody I totally agree with you here Sarah. Unfortunately, we don't own an iPhone 4, only a 3GS at the moment, the iPhone is a marvellous phone I think. I grant you there are issues for the hearing impaired under certain circumstances but in general terms it really is a great piece of kit. Gordon suffers from a hearing impairment and he uses the iPhone every day without difficulty. I could tell you about how he does it, but it might take me off topic because it would involve the discussion of a totally non-Apple device. But even without that device Gordon can use the iPhone without a problem. The voice dialling works well as long as you speak clearly and don't mumble as a lot of people do. The iPhone also has a proximity sensor so that the phone volume increases as you move it away from your head, and visa versa. So in essence, I could not disagree more with William's assertions. It happens so often, not only with Apple's devices, but with a lot of things. People pick them up, try them once or twice and because they can't get away with them immediately, they decide that the device or whatever it is is poor. There is an old saying; a bad workman always blames his tools. Lynne On 9 Oct 2011, at 21:19, Sarah Alawami wrote: I beg to differ. I can make phone calls, text and so forth. It just takes some getting used to just like everything else we do. Stick with it. From orin8722 at gmail.com Sun Oct 9 22:36:00 2011 From: orin8722 at gmail.com (Orin) Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2011 17:36:00 -0400 Subject: Whats App In-Reply-To: <0A787CAB-3115-4296-A3B0-74B4251CE361@gmail.com> References: <4E91BD6B.5070604@techno-chat.net> <15410C2C-22D3-48D7-B1CB-F8341F6E2CDB@gmail.com> <4E91CF3B.5070303@techno-chat.net> <4E91E456.6060804@techno-chat.net> <0A787CAB-3115-4296-A3B0-74B4251CE361@gmail.com> Message-ID: No they aren't, the iPod is cheaper. Do you dislike Apple in general now? Lol. Orin orin8722 at gmail.com Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/orinks Skype: orin1112 On Oct 9, 2011, at 2:20 PM, william lomas wrote: > which iPhone you getting, the 4s? > don't c why people need iPod touch and iPhone what the point? just buy the one device they all expensive, anyway > > On Oct 9, 2011, at 7:13 PM, chris hallsworth wrote: > >> Lol just discovered it's not compatible with my iPod according to their FAQ! This is the first time I have seen that an app only works for the iPhone. It will still be useful though for when I get an iPhone. So all is not lost. >> >> On 09/10/2011 17:43, chris hallsworth wrote: >>> Lol very true. >>> >>> On 09/10/2011 16:44, william lomas wrote: >>>> why not just download it straight on the iPod lol save yourself the >>>> trouble >>>> >>>> On Oct 9, 2011, at 4:27 PM, chris hallsworth wrote: >>>> >>>>> I purchased and downloaded this earlier from my computer. I have >>>>> iTunes set up so that any apps or books I download to my computer >>>>> will be automatically downloaded to my iPod Touch 4G. The querk here >>>>> is that Whats App didn't download to my iPod. What's going on please? >>>>> Thanks! >>>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>>> >>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to >>>>> mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>> >>>>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access >>>>> forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>>>> >>>>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>>>> . >>>>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, >>>>> virus and worm-free! >>>>> >>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by >>>>> visiting the list website at: >>>>> >>>> >>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to >>>> mac-access at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum >>>> at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>>> >>>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>>> . >>>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>>> >>>> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, >>>> virus and worm-free! >>>> >>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by >>>> visiting the list website at: >>>> >>>> >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to >>> mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum >>> at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>> >>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>> . >>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, >>> virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by >>> visiting the list website at: >>> >>> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From julie.vaughan1 at virginmedia.com Mon Oct 10 00:53:56 2011 From: julie.vaughan1 at virginmedia.com (Julie Vaughan) Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 00:53:56 +0100 Subject: siri for the iPhone 4 ?????help please In-Reply-To: <4C6FCB95-4D43-4717-8D08-C82C4A3A2316@gmail.com> References: <4E8FFF26.8030400@techno-chat.net> <5603E5D9-E0C8-4BF2-8C96-0201D2D6E4FF@virginmedia.com> <3AA9D985-9575-457C-92ED-1C5540CE5562@googlemail.com> <4C6FCB95-4D43-4717-8D08-C82C4A3A2316@gmail.com> Message-ID: will my iPhone 4 is on contract from vodofone and is sim free so not sure i could do that?? i went in the shop the other day and they said i can't upgrade for 12 months thats the earliest argh On 9 Oct 2011, at 06:27, william lomas wrote: > if it not a success the phone will b a flop apple r banking on this being a success. u can recycle your 4 julie with o2 recycle get 266 pounds and best rest to a som free sixteen gig and just keep your sim contract > > On Oct 9, 2011, at 1:00 AM, Ian McNamara wrote: > >> hi Jue i looked in to this my self. they've been very sneaky as it's not going to be available for the iphone four you'll have to get a iphone 4 s to have it or at least that's what i've heard but if any one knows diffrent then feel free to correct me. i think it's apples way of making people buy the iphone four s. >> >> Ian >> On 9 Oct 2011, at 00:49, Julie Vaughan wrote: >> >>> hi all >>> >>> my sister and i went onto a website about siri and they said that siri has been an app for ages but now they have brought out the 4s then it will no longer be available is this true only that for me would be great >>> >>> i have the iPhone 4 and can't upgrade till twelve months time but really want siri >>> >>> many thanks >>> >>> jules >>> any help on this would be great >>> >>> thanks >>> On 8 Oct 2011, at 08:43, chris hallsworth wrote: >>> >>>> http://tech-reviews.co.uk/news/siri-not-coming-to-iphone-4-or-iphone-3gs/ >>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>>> >>>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>>> . >>>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>>> >>>> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>> >>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>> >>> >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>> >>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>> . >>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From support at mac-access.net Mon Oct 10 06:11:14 2011 From: support at mac-access.net (Gordon & Lynne) Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 06:11:14 +0100 Subject: All those people with unused accounts Message-ID: <13FAD7A4-E777-4B40-B61D-19C18B145665@mac-access.net> hello everybody A number of people requested the setup of accounts to use our Drop ship and virtual volume system. But, when the accounts were set up, they haven't bother to come and check them out, let alone use them. It is a little disappointing to us that people would waste our time like that; knowing that we have a great deal going on at the moment. Today I'll have to start going through the unused accounts and manually removing them but, if you do still want the account and you're one of the people concerned, if you're quick you can still have it. We will still take new requests; but only from those people who really are genuine. If you don't know what I'm talking about but are interested, contact us at the support address and one of us, Gordon or I, will explain the function of the service. is where you'll find us. I will be looking at this during my breaks at work; I have a long day today and had no sleep last night. Lynne From kevinchao89 at gmail.com Mon Oct 10 06:18:26 2011 From: kevinchao89 at gmail.com (Kevin Chao) Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 00:18:26 -0500 Subject: Google chrome In-Reply-To: References: <4F986A8F-CFAF-4C05-B1D8-D67A8749F24D@hopewell.org.uk> Message-ID: <634101C2-F55E-4F65-8973-6BBCDEF17DB0@gmail.com> Yes, I use Blakcbaord all of the time. I was unable to use it with Safari/Voiceover, but have been able to without any problems at all with Chrome web browser and ChromeVox extension from Chrome Web Store. It works flawlessly with all of Blackboard, including discussion board. In college setting, I can have Blackbaord as CMS, CourseSmart as eTextbook, and Docs for productivity suite, and for it to be fully accessible and a great experience. I absolutely enjoy it and appreciate that Google has made this possible across multiple platforms with a unified experience. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 3, 2011, at 7:16 AM, Michael Busboom wrote: > Hello Kevin or anyone else, > > I haven't been following the Google accessibility threads at all because I didn't figure I would need to use any of the Google apps. However, I heard that the Google browser worked with BlackBoard, and if this is true, this is very important for me. Could someone please tell me what I need to download in order for the Google apps to work on my Mac Book running Lion? As far as BlackBoard is concerned, can anyone tell me if it is possible with the Google browser to reliably work with the discussion boards for individual university classes? > > Thank you, > > Mike > > On 3,Oct,2011, at 12:37 PM, Kevin Chao wrote: > >> Navigate your Documents List with a screen reader >> https://docs.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=1631662 >> >> Use Google documents with a screen reader >> https://docs.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=1632201 >> >> Kevin >> >> On 10/1/11, Paul Hopewell wrote: >>> Hello, >>> Following recent posts I am playing with Google chrome with chrome-vox and >>> google docs. I am currently finding it very confusing and would appreciate >>> any pointer to some good beginners documentation. >>> >>> I have a Google account and I have installed the standard Google chrome (not >>> chrome canary) and have chrome-vox and google docs installed. Google chrome >>> now generates lots of mysterious sounds and often speaks in my default voice >>> (not the voice I am using for VoiceOver). In many cases the screen info is >>> inaccessible using standard VO keys but is accessible using tab and arrow >>> keys which cause Google chrome to speak in my default voice. At present it >>> is all very confusing. >>> >>> Should I have installed chrome canary rather than the standard chrome? I see >>> that chrome canary is the latest nightly untested chrome build and I saw >>> several posts about it frequently crashing. Hence I have so far avoided it. >>> >>> What do you chrome enthusiasts recommend I should do and where can I best >>> read some basic info? I would like to get to the stage of uploading a >>> Microsoft word document from my iMac local hard disk and then editing it >>> using chrome. >>> >>> Many thanks for any tips.... >>> >>> Paul Hopewell >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to >>> mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at >>> either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>> >>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>> . >>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus >>> and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting >>> the list website at: >>> >>> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From anne at anarchie.org.uk Mon Oct 10 10:05:33 2011 From: anne at anarchie.org.uk (Anne Robertson) Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 11:05:33 +0200 Subject: Adobe Digital Editions preview: page navigation. In-Reply-To: <11663205-A50D-4D68-9DB2-26FBA5CE302A@computing.dcu.ie> References: <11663205-A50D-4D68-9DB2-26FBA5CE302A@computing.dcu.ie> Message-ID: <0CD50D49-CD0D-47C6-8D4F-8262A048D427@anarchie.org.uk> Hello D?nal, On 9 Oct 2011, at 23:14, D?nal Fitzpatrick wrote: > One thing is a bit flakey though and that is the actual mechanics of "turning" the page. As Anne and possibly others pointed out in previous mails, the right/left arrow keys move forward and backwards through the document a page at a time. However, I've found that sometimes this key doesn't work. > > The most common occasion where this happens is when I put the edit cursor into the field which allows me to type the page number I wish to go to. Then when I use vo-left to go back to the book content, the keyboard focus stays in the edit field, so left-right arrow navigates through the page number and does not "turn" the page. The way I've found around this is to put the VO cursor on the portion of the screen containing the book content, and then route the keyboard to it using vo-cmd-f4. This *seems* to resolve the conflicts but I've not tested it thoroughly enough to be 100% certain. > Have you tried going to First Visible Item then VO-Down Arrow to the text? It works for me. Cheers, Anne From dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie Mon Oct 10 10:08:47 2011 From: dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie (=?iso-8859-1?Q?D=F3nal_Fitzpatrick?=) Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 10:08:47 +0100 Subject: Adobe Digital Editions preview: page navigation. In-Reply-To: <0CD50D49-CD0D-47C6-8D4F-8262A048D427@anarchie.org.uk> References: <11663205-A50D-4D68-9DB2-26FBA5CE302A@computing.dcu.ie> <0CD50D49-CD0D-47C6-8D4F-8262A048D427@anarchie.org.uk> Message-ID: Hi Anne, Yes I tried that, but routing the keyboard to VO seemed to work better on my system for some reason. D?nal On 10 Oct 2011, at 10:05, Anne Robertson wrote: > Hello D?nal, > > On 9 Oct 2011, at 23:14, D?nal Fitzpatrick wrote: >> One thing is a bit flakey though and that is the actual mechanics of "turning" the page. As Anne and possibly others pointed out in previous mails, the right/left arrow keys move forward and backwards through the document a page at a time. However, I've found that sometimes this key doesn't work. >> >> The most common occasion where this happens is when I put the edit cursor into the field which allows me to type the page number I wish to go to. Then when I use vo-left to go back to the book content, the keyboard focus stays in the edit field, so left-right arrow navigates through the page number and does not "turn" the page. The way I've found around this is to put the VO cursor on the portion of the screen containing the book content, and then route the keyboard to it using vo-cmd-f4. This *seems* to resolve the conflicts but I've not tested it thoroughly enough to be 100% certain. >> > Have you tried going to First Visible Item then VO-Down Arrow to the text? It works for me. > > Cheers, > > Anne > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > D?nal Fitzpatrick dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie From tsiegel at softcon.com Mon Oct 10 15:11:49 2011 From: tsiegel at softcon.com (Travis Siegel) Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 10:11:49 -0400 Subject: opening up an iPhone 3gs. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <57D57E8A-CC52-403A-8DC0-6C6A912BCF15@softcon.com> There's repair guides for the iphone 3gs at ifixit.com. Their guides are fantastic, and have worked many times in the past, both for me and others I've pointed them to. The one for the iphone 3gs is located at: http://www.ifixit.com/Device/iPhone_3GS They've even got all the toolkits to handle the work if you don't have them handy. An excellent resource that saves all kinds of hassle. Enjoy. From dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie Mon Oct 10 15:14:21 2011 From: dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie (=?iso-8859-1?Q?D=F3nal_Fitzpatrick?=) Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 15:14:21 +0100 Subject: opening up an iPhone 3gs. In-Reply-To: <57D57E8A-CC52-403A-8DC0-6C6A912BCF15@softcon.com> References: <57D57E8A-CC52-403A-8DC0-6C6A912BCF15@softcon.com> Message-ID: <8136961B-A0AE-4801-830B-48E93B9FCE97@computing.dcu.ie> are the screws apple use odd ones Travis? It being apple, I'd say they probably are. On 10 Oct 2011, at 15:11, Travis Siegel wrote: > There's repair guides for the iphone 3gs at ifixit.com. Their guides are fantastic, and have worked many times in the past, both for me and others I've pointed them to. The one for the iphone 3gs is located at: > http://www.ifixit.com/Device/iPhone_3GS > They've even got all the toolkits to handle the work if you don't have them handy. An excellent resource that saves all kinds of hassle. > Enjoy. > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > D?nal Fitzpatrick dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie From tsiegel at softcon.com Mon Oct 10 15:31:32 2011 From: tsiegel at softcon.com (Travis Siegel) Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 10:31:32 -0400 Subject: opening up an iPhone 3gs. In-Reply-To: <8136961B-A0AE-4801-830B-48E93B9FCE97@computing.dcu.ie> References: <57D57E8A-CC52-403A-8DC0-6C6A912BCF15@softcon.com> <8136961B-A0AE-4801-830B-48E93B9FCE97@computing.dcu.ie> Message-ID: Yes, apple does put odd screws into their ardware, but ifixit has fixes for all of that. You can either buy the tools from them for fixing the hardware by removing apple screws directly, or if you like, in some cases, they even sell replacement screws that will use normal tools so you won't have to worry about them if you need to open them again after the first time, and have managed to loose the one-time apple tool. :) Really great guys over there at ifixit. On Oct 10, 2011, at 10:14 AM, D?nal Fitzpatrick wrote: > are the screws apple use odd ones Travis? It being apple, I'd say > they probably are. > On 10 Oct 2011, at 15:11, Travis Siegel wrote: From james.austin at mac-access.net Mon Oct 10 18:10:54 2011 From: james.austin at mac-access.net (James AUSTIN) Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 18:10:54 +0100 Subject: Color detection on iPhone Message-ID: Hi folks, I'm looking for a reliable colour? detection app for the iPhone please? Does anyone have any suggestions? I sometimes use Omoby, but would like a dedicated app if possible. Thanks James From will.d.lomas at gmail.com Mon Oct 10 18:41:50 2011 From: will.d.lomas at gmail.com (william lomas) Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 18:41:50 +0100 Subject: Color detection on iPhone In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <56F54DE8-B8A9-4279-B443-7E595500BA6E@gmail.com> the iPhone 3gs not going to be that good james it all to do with the camera On Oct 10, 2011, at 6:10 PM, James AUSTIN wrote: > Hi folks, > > I'm looking for a reliable colour? detection app for the iPhone please? Does anyone have any suggestions? I sometimes use Omoby, but would like a dedicated app if possible. > > Thanks > James > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From jonathan.tyrer at gmail.com Mon Oct 10 19:02:06 2011 From: jonathan.tyrer at gmail.com (Jonathan Tyrer) Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 19:02:06 +0100 Subject: I think I already have iPhone 4S! In-Reply-To: <4e90b8b9.c6cfe00a.4984.3b3c@mx.google.com> References: <2D4476A7-20B6-4509-89BA-CC35655D6506@mac-access.net> <4e90b8b9.c6cfe00a.4984.3b3c@mx.google.com> Message-ID: You know when something seems funny to you at the time? On 08/10/2011, Kevin Barry wrote: > That's voice dialing. > That was a feature of a flip phone I owned years ago. > > At 03:55 PM 10/8/2011, you wrote: >>That's been the case since the 3GS. >> >>Lynne >> >>On 6 Oct 2011, at 11:11, Jonathan Tyrer wrote: >> >>I just held down my home button and said, "call John Smith." >> >>The iPone replied, "John Smith, home or work?" >> >><--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >>To reply to this post, please address your message to >>mac-access at mac-access.net >> >>You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access >>forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >>or at the public Mail Archive: >>. >>Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >>The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, >>virus and worm-free! >> >>Please remember to update your membership options periodically by >>visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at > either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus > and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting > the list website at: > > From james.austin at mac-access.net Mon Oct 10 19:11:20 2011 From: james.austin at mac-access.net (James AUSTIN) Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 19:11:20 +0100 Subject: Color detection on iPhone In-Reply-To: <56F54DE8-B8A9-4279-B443-7E595500BA6E@gmail.com> References: <56F54DE8-B8A9-4279-B443-7E595500BA6E@gmail.com> Message-ID: I've recently upgraded to an iPhone 4, and I've found one called iColorNamer it seems really good. Thanks James On 10 Oct 2011, at 18:41, william lomas wrote: > the iPhone 3gs not going to be that good james it all to do with the camera > > On Oct 10, 2011, at 6:10 PM, James AUSTIN wrote: > >> Hi folks, >> >> I'm looking for a reliable colour? detection app for the iPhone please? Does anyone have any suggestions? I sometimes use Omoby, but would like a dedicated app if possible. >> >> Thanks >> James >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From rattail4 at gmail.com Mon Oct 10 23:14:17 2011 From: rattail4 at gmail.com (Mike Welty) Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 18:14:17 -0400 Subject: Problems with Macbook case Message-ID: <6D03D44557824F1E85A0F2FD52AE88DF@MQUAD> Hey all, Need some advice n my macBook's case. Today my gf just oticed that there's a bubble forming in the back left corner on the bottom of my case. I believe it's heat, but wanted to know what you guys thing it is, and what I can do to try and repair or minimize the spread. If it comes to repairing, I'm kind of stuck as I don't have the money to do so, and my parents never got me Apple care. From desiandcandy at q.com Tue Oct 11 00:18:19 2011 From: desiandcandy at q.com (Desi Noller) Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 16:18:19 -0700 Subject: Copying mp3 files into iTumes Message-ID: <497AF0F6-0305-4FA0-9C7C-9085F75166E2@q.com> Hi Everybody, I have most of my music library stored on SD cards so that I could play the songs on my Victor Reader Stream. I would now like to put all of these files in iTunes on my iMac. The mp3 files in question, were originally created on my old PC with Windows Media Player. A friend has told me that if I open the files in iTunes, they will not be properly tagged. How can I best accomplish this project. I would rather not have to import all of the physical CD's again if I don't have to, but I also don't want to have to do a huge amount of label editing once the files are in iTunes. Any thoughts on this would be most appreciated! Desi From tsiegel at softcon.com Tue Oct 11 02:23:27 2011 From: tsiegel at softcon.com (Travis Siegel) Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 21:23:27 -0400 Subject: Copying mp3 files into iTumes In-Reply-To: <497AF0F6-0305-4FA0-9C7C-9085F75166E2@q.com> References: <497AF0F6-0305-4FA0-9C7C-9085F75166E2@q.com> Message-ID: Whether or not the files are properly tagged in itunes has nothing to do with what program did the ripping. It's a result of which tags are physically located inside the mp3 files themselves. If you used a fairly full featured mp3 converter, then all your tags are correct, and importing them into itunes will work just fine. If on the other hand, your files were simply converted, and no thought/processing was given to the mp3 tags at all, then itunes will treat them as if the mp3 tags aren't there (since in fact, they aren't). I'd say try importing one or two of them, and this will tell what the status is, and you can go from there. Regardless, there's no need to rip all the cds again, simply use a program that adds proper tags to mp3 files, and you'll be all set. Others on list have used such programs, and can probably suggest one, but if the tags aren't present, then you'll either need to add tags before importing, or import them, then modify all their information afterwords. From opensesame at me.com Tue Oct 11 02:07:37 2011 From: opensesame at me.com (Bryan Jones) Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 21:07:37 -0400 Subject: Problems with Macbook case In-Reply-To: <6D03D44557824F1E85A0F2FD52AE88DF@MQUAD> References: <6D03D44557824F1E85A0F2FD52AE88DF@MQUAD> Message-ID: <2968E3A7-8181-4898-A973-21EBB9C2CB86@me.com> Hello Mike, If you live near an Apple store, you might want to take the Macbook in and have it looked at. At some point in the last few years Apple had apparently made some exceptions in their warranty service to cover problems related to the plastic macbook cases. I know there was an issue with cracking and while it sounds like your issue might be unrelated, I think it might be worth having an Apple store take a look at it. HTH, Bryan On Oct 10, 2011, at 6:14 PM, Mike Welty wrote: > Need some advice n my macBook's case. Today my gf just oticed that there's a bubble forming in the back left corner on the bottom of my case. I believe it's heat, but wanted to know From rattail4 at gmail.com Tue Oct 11 03:23:47 2011 From: rattail4 at gmail.com (Mike Welty) Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 22:23:47 -0400 Subject: Problems with Macbook case In-Reply-To: <2968E3A7-8181-4898-A973-21EBB9C2CB86@me.com> References: <6D03D44557824F1E85A0F2FD52AE88DF@MQUAD> <2968E3A7-8181-4898-A973-21EBB9C2CB86@me.com> Message-ID: <6CB5DE90DB914AD898BC808D97A38322@MQUAD> Sadly there is no apple store close, the nearest one is over 2 hours from here -------------------------------------------------- From: "Bryan Jones" Sent: Monday, October 10, 2011 21:07 To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" Subject: Re: Problems with Macbook case > Hello Mike, > > If you live near an Apple store, you might want to take the Macbook in and > have it looked at. At some point in the last few years Apple had > apparently made some exceptions in their warranty service to cover > problems related to the plastic macbook cases. I know there was an issue > with cracking and while it sounds like your issue might be unrelated, I > think it might be worth having an Apple store take a look at it. > > HTH, > Bryan > > On Oct 10, 2011, at 6:14 PM, Mike Welty wrote: >> Need some advice n my macBook's case. Today my gf just oticed that >> there's a bubble forming in the back left corner on the bottom of my >> case. I believe it's heat, but wanted to know > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum > at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus > and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting > the list website at: > From desiandcandy at q.com Tue Oct 11 04:07:59 2011 From: desiandcandy at q.com (Desi Noller) Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 20:07:59 -0700 Subject: Copying mp3 files into iTumes In-Reply-To: References: <497AF0F6-0305-4FA0-9C7C-9085F75166E2@q.com> Message-ID: <5995B8C6-C6A6-43EC-80DB-114AC9AB7A57@q.com> Hi Travis, I'm talking about hundreds of files here, so I'm sure hoping I don't have to do all that editing! The mp3 files were originally created in Windows Media Player on my old PC. Thanks so much for your explanation, and if anyone out there can tell me of a good program for tagging mp3 files, I would be most grateful! I was considering opening the files in iTunes so that they would show up in my music table. Would I be better off to copy the files into the iTunes music folder in my Home folder? Again, anyone's ideas on how to accomplish this most efficiently would be much appreciated! Desi On Oct 10, 2011, at 6:23 PM, Travis Siegel wrote: > Whether or not the files are properly tagged in itunes has nothing to do with what program did the ripping. It's a result of which tags are physically located inside the mp3 files themselves. If you used a fairly full featured mp3 converter, then all your tags are correct, and importing them into itunes will work just fine. > If on the other hand, your files were simply converted, and no thought/processing was given to the mp3 tags at all, then itunes will treat them as if the mp3 tags aren't there (since in fact, they aren't). I'd say try importing one or two of them, and this will tell what the status is, and you can go from there. > Regardless, there's no need to rip all the cds again, simply use a program that adds proper tags to mp3 files, and you'll be all set. Others on list have used such programs, and can probably suggest one, but if the tags aren't present, then you'll either need to add tags before importing, or import them, then modify all their information afterwords. > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From tsiegel at softcon.com Tue Oct 11 04:21:41 2011 From: tsiegel at softcon.com (Travis Siegel) Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 23:21:41 -0400 Subject: Copying mp3 files into iTumes In-Reply-To: <5995B8C6-C6A6-43EC-80DB-114AC9AB7A57@q.com> References: <497AF0F6-0305-4FA0-9C7C-9085F75166E2@q.com> <5995B8C6-C6A6-43EC-80DB-114AC9AB7A57@q.com> Message-ID: If you have itunes configured to keep your library organized, it will copy the files for you when you add them to the itunes library. Again, the easiest way to tell if all the info is there or not is just to import one or two of them. Then, you can see if all thee desired info is present or not. If you perform a command-i on the song in question, you can check out the various tabs and see if the information is present/correct. Give it a try and let us know how it works. I have no idea if windows media player properly tags songs or not, since I've never used it for song importing. Others may be able to tell you, but it may be considered off topic here, so perhaps answers to such questions should go off-list. From marrie12 at gmail.com Tue Oct 11 04:27:43 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 20:27:43 -0700 Subject: Copying mp3 files into iTumes In-Reply-To: <5995B8C6-C6A6-43EC-80DB-114AC9AB7A57@q.com> References: <497AF0F6-0305-4FA0-9C7C-9085F75166E2@q.com> <5995B8C6-C6A6-43EC-80DB-114AC9AB7A57@q.com> Message-ID: All you need to do is if they are tagged put them in the automatically add to itunes folder. I don't know of a bulk tagger like you speak of. I'm a;also looking for one but the forums say to use itunes and that's it. I don't want to except that but try that with a few of yoru songs and if that works copy all of them in to there and itunes should sourt them. Take care. On Oct 10, 2011, at 8:07 PM, Desi Noller wrote: > Hi Travis, > > I'm talking about hundreds of files here, so I'm sure hoping I don't have to do all that editing! The mp3 files were originally created in Windows Media Player on my old PC. Thanks so much for your explanation, and if anyone out there can tell me of a good program for tagging mp3 files, I would be most grateful! I was considering opening the files in iTunes so that they would show up in my music table. Would I be better off to copy the files into the iTunes music folder in my Home folder? Again, anyone's ideas on how to accomplish this most efficiently would be much appreciated! > > Desi > > > > On Oct 10, 2011, at 6:23 PM, Travis Siegel wrote: > >> Whether or not the files are properly tagged in itunes has nothing to do with what program did the ripping. It's a result of which tags are physically located inside the mp3 files themselves. If you used a fairly full featured mp3 converter, then all your tags are correct, and importing them into itunes will work just fine. >> If on the other hand, your files were simply converted, and no thought/processing was given to the mp3 tags at all, then itunes will treat them as if the mp3 tags aren't there (since in fact, they aren't). I'd say try importing one or two of them, and this will tell what the status is, and you can go from there. >> Regardless, there's no need to rip all the cds again, simply use a program that adds proper tags to mp3 files, and you'll be all set. Others on list have used such programs, and can probably suggest one, but if the tags aren't present, then you'll either need to add tags before importing, or import them, then modify all their information afterwords. >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From juanitatighan at gmail.com Tue Oct 11 04:34:20 2011 From: juanitatighan at gmail.com (Jane) Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 23:34:20 -0400 Subject: ChromeVox and Google Chrome Message-ID: <067C1C2A-D191-4F8B-BA0C-C54D1977161A@gmail.com> I've installed Google Chrome and ChromeVox. I started to make my way through the tutorial, but it always crashes if I change the speech rate or any other attributes. Is this happening to anyone else? How can this be fixed? Jane From geoff.waaler at gmail.com Tue Oct 11 05:00:17 2011 From: geoff.waaler at gmail.com (Geoff Waaler) Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 00:00:17 -0400 Subject: ChromeVox and Google Chrome References: <067C1C2A-D191-4F8B-BA0C-C54D1977161A@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Jane, I assume you installed Chromevox from the web store? I'm not having this problem under Lion. What kind of Mac are you using and which kitty? Have you tried reinstalling Chrome from scratch in case something got all fubared during the install? Best regards. Geoff ----- Original Message ----- From: Jane To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility Sent: Monday, October 10, 2011 11:34 PM Subject: ChromeVox and Google Chrome I've installed Google Chrome and ChromeVox. I started to make my way through the tutorial, but it always crashes if I change the speech rate or any other attributes. Is this happening to anyone else? How can this be fixed? Jane <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: or at the public Mail Archive: . Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From kevinchao89 at gmail.com Tue Oct 11 05:56:39 2011 From: kevinchao89 at gmail.com (Kevin Chao) Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 23:56:39 -0500 Subject: ChromeVox and Google Chrome In-Reply-To: References: <067C1C2A-D191-4F8B-BA0C-C54D1977161A@gmail.com> Message-ID: Jane, Are you using Alex (any of the other legacy voices, Eg: Fred) or one of the OS X Lion Nuance voices? If ladder, Apple has implemented those voices in a way that it's very buggy even with VoiceOver. Also, are you using Google Chrome 14 stable or 16 Canary? You can check this by going to File>About. If you're not already doing so, 14 stable is recommended and will not crash. Kevin On 10/10/11, Geoff Waaler wrote: > Hi Jane, > > I assume you installed Chromevox from the web store? I'm not having this > problem under Lion. What kind of Mac are you using and which kitty? > > Have you tried reinstalling Chrome from scratch in case something got all > fubared during the install? > > Best regards. > Geoff > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Jane > To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility > Sent: Monday, October 10, 2011 11:34 PM > Subject: ChromeVox and Google Chrome > > > I've installed Google Chrome and ChromeVox. I started to make my way > through the tutorial, but it always crashes if I change the speech rate or > any other attributes. Is this happening to anyone else? How can this be > fixed? > > Jane > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum > at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus > and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting > the list website at: > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at > either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus > and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting > the list website at: > > From opensesame at me.com Tue Oct 11 05:36:08 2011 From: opensesame at me.com (Bryan Jones) Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 00:36:08 -0400 Subject: ChromeVox and Google Chrome In-Reply-To: References: <067C1C2A-D191-4F8B-BA0C-C54D1977161A@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hello Jane & Geoff, I'm also not seeing this problem, at least not yet. I'm running Chrome version 14.0.835.202 with the ChromeVox extension 1.15.1 installed directly from the Extension Gallery / Webstore on a macbook air running OS 10.7.1. Here's a direct link to the ChromeVox extension in the chrome webstore: https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/kgejglhpjiefppelpmljglcjbhoiplfn I've gotten through step 5 in the tutorial and have adjusted the speech rate, pitch and volume without issue. I also turned VO off while navigating the tutorial inside Chrome. HTH, Bryan On Oct 11, 2011, at 12:00 AM, Geoff Waaler wrote: > I assume you installed Chromevox from the web store? I'm not having this problem under Lion. What kind of Mac are you using and which kitty? > Have you tried reinstalling Chrome from scratch > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Jane > I've installed Google Chrome and ChromeVox. I started to make my way through the tutorial, but it always crashes if I change the speech rate or any other attributes. Is this happening to anyone else? How can this be fixed? From juanitatighan at gmail.com Tue Oct 11 14:44:58 2011 From: juanitatighan at gmail.com (Jane) Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 09:44:58 -0400 Subject: ChromeVox and Google Chrome In-Reply-To: References: <067C1C2A-D191-4F8B-BA0C-C54D1977161A@gmail.com> Message-ID: <173C60FF-8A60-4FF0-B1CD-F0E38EE1185B@gmail.com> have not tried installing Chrome from scratch. I'm not even sure if I have the correct version. I can try that. Jane On Oct 11, 2011, at 12:36 AM, Bryan Jones wrote: > Hello Jane & Geoff, > > I'm also not seeing this problem, at least not yet. > > I'm running Chrome version 14.0.835.202 with the ChromeVox extension 1.15.1 installed directly from the Extension Gallery / Webstore on a macbook air running OS 10.7.1. > Here's a direct link to the ChromeVox extension in the chrome webstore: https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/kgejglhpjiefppelpmljglcjbhoiplfn > > I've gotten through step 5 in the tutorial and have adjusted the speech rate, pitch and volume without issue. I also turned VO off while navigating the tutorial inside Chrome. > > HTH, > Bryan > > On Oct 11, 2011, at 12:00 AM, Geoff Waaler wrote: >> I assume you installed Chromevox from the web store? I'm not having this problem under Lion. What kind of Mac are you using and which kitty? >> Have you tried reinstalling Chrome from scratch >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Jane >> I've installed Google Chrome and ChromeVox. I started to make my way through the tutorial, but it always crashes if I change the speech rate or any other attributes. Is this happening to anyone else? How can this be fixed? > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From desiandcandy at q.com Tue Oct 11 18:24:46 2011 From: desiandcandy at q.com (Desi Noller) Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 10:24:46 -0700 Subject: Copying mp3 files into iTunes In-Reply-To: References: <497AF0F6-0305-4FA0-9C7C-9085F75166E2@q.com> <5995B8C6-C6A6-43EC-80DB-114AC9AB7A57@q.com> Message-ID: Hi Sarah, Where do I find that folder? I will try a few and see what happens. Thanks for that tip. Desi On Oct 10, 2011, at 8:27 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote: > All you need to do is if they are tagged put them in the automatically add to itunes folder. I don't know of a bulk tagger like you speak of. I'm a;also looking for one but the forums say to use itunes and that's it. I don't want to except that but try that with a few of yoru songs and if that works copy all of them in to there and itunes should sourt them. > > Take care. > On Oct 10, 2011, at 8:07 PM, Desi Noller wrote: > >> Hi Travis, >> >> I'm talking about hundreds of files here, so I'm sure hoping I don't have to do all that editing! The mp3 files were originally created in Windows Media Player on my old PC. Thanks so much for your explanation, and if anyone out there can tell me of a good program for tagging mp3 files, I would be most grateful! I was considering opening the files in iTunes so that they would show up in my music table. Would I be better off to copy the files into the iTunes music folder in my Home folder? Again, anyone's ideas on how to accomplish this most efficiently would be much appreciated! >> >> Desi >> >> >> >> On Oct 10, 2011, at 6:23 PM, Travis Siegel wrote: >> >>> Whether or not the files are properly tagged in itunes has nothing to do with what program did the ripping. It's a result of which tags are physically located inside the mp3 files themselves. If you used a fairly full featured mp3 converter, then all your tags are correct, and importing them into itunes will work just fine. >>> If on the other hand, your files were simply converted, and no thought/processing was given to the mp3 tags at all, then itunes will treat them as if the mp3 tags aren't there (since in fact, they aren't). I'd say try importing one or two of them, and this will tell what the status is, and you can go from there. >>> Regardless, there's no need to rip all the cds again, simply use a program that adds proper tags to mp3 files, and you'll be all set. Others on list have used such programs, and can probably suggest one, but if the tags aren't present, then you'll either need to add tags before importing, or import them, then modify all their information afterwords. >>> >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>> >>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>> . >>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From desiandcandy at q.com Tue Oct 11 18:31:48 2011 From: desiandcandy at q.com (Desi Noller) Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 10:31:48 -0700 Subject: Copying mp3 files into iTunes In-Reply-To: References: <497AF0F6-0305-4FA0-9C7C-9085F75166E2@q.com> <5995B8C6-C6A6-43EC-80DB-114AC9AB7A57@q.com> Message-ID: <7B565C0A-54F2-4B18-BE6B-35051F24686B@q.com> Hi Again Sarah, I found that folder of course, so now, if I copy some songs directly into it, are they added to iTunes the next time I open it? Thanks for your patience here! I'm still pretty new at all this, and sometimes still find it pretty overwhelming! I've made great progress over the months, just still have so very far to go! LOL! Desi On Oct 10, 2011, at 8:27 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote: > All you need to do is if they are tagged put them in the automatically add to itunes folder. I don't know of a bulk tagger like you speak of. I'm a;also looking for one but the forums say to use itunes and that's it. I don't want to except that but try that with a few of yoru songs and if that works copy all of them in to there and itunes should sourt them. > > Take care. > On Oct 10, 2011, at 8:07 PM, Desi Noller wrote: > >> Hi Travis, >> >> I'm talking about hundreds of files here, so I'm sure hoping I don't have to do all that editing! The mp3 files were originally created in Windows Media Player on my old PC. Thanks so much for your explanation, and if anyone out there can tell me of a good program for tagging mp3 files, I would be most grateful! I was considering opening the files in iTunes so that they would show up in my music table. Would I be better off to copy the files into the iTunes music folder in my Home folder? Again, anyone's ideas on how to accomplish this most efficiently would be much appreciated! >> >> Desi >> >> >> >> On Oct 10, 2011, at 6:23 PM, Travis Siegel wrote: >> >>> Whether or not the files are properly tagged in itunes has nothing to do with what program did the ripping. It's a result of which tags are physically located inside the mp3 files themselves. If you used a fairly full featured mp3 converter, then all your tags are correct, and importing them into itunes will work just fine. >>> If on the other hand, your files were simply converted, and no thought/processing was given to the mp3 tags at all, then itunes will treat them as if the mp3 tags aren't there (since in fact, they aren't). I'd say try importing one or two of them, and this will tell what the status is, and you can go from there. >>> Regardless, there's no need to rip all the cds again, simply use a program that adds proper tags to mp3 files, and you'll be all set. Others on list have used such programs, and can probably suggest one, but if the tags aren't present, then you'll either need to add tags before importing, or import them, then modify all their information afterwords. >>> >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>> >>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>> . >>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From desiandcandy at q.com Tue Oct 11 18:34:28 2011 From: desiandcandy at q.com (Desi Noller) Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 10:34:28 -0700 Subject: Copying mp3 files into iTunes In-Reply-To: References: <497AF0F6-0305-4FA0-9C7C-9085F75166E2@q.com> <5995B8C6-C6A6-43EC-80DB-114AC9AB7A57@q.com> Message-ID: <1FFC22F5-4590-4B4E-860B-1B97C81C0A13@q.com> Hi Travis, If I press Command-i on a song to see the information there, can I edit it there as well, if necessary, or is that just a way to read the information? Desi On Oct 10, 2011, at 8:21 PM, Travis Siegel wrote: > If you have itunes configured to keep your library organized, it will copy the files for you when you add them to the itunes library. > Again, the easiest way to tell if all the info is there or not is just to import one or two of them. Then, you can see if all thee desired info is present or not. > If you perform a command-i on the song in question, you can check out the various tabs and see if the information is present/correct. > Give it a try and let us know how it works. I have no idea if windows media player properly tags songs or not, since I've never used it for song importing. > Others may be able to tell you, but it may be considered off topic here, so perhaps answers to such questions should go off-list. > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From velocity.focus66 at virginmedia.com Tue Oct 11 18:43:32 2011 From: velocity.focus66 at virginmedia.com (Red.Falcon) Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 18:43:32 +0100 Subject: Copying mp3 files into iTunes In-Reply-To: <1FFC22F5-4590-4B4E-860B-1B97C81C0A13@q.com> References: <497AF0F6-0305-4FA0-9C7C-9085F75166E2@q.com> <5995B8C6-C6A6-43EC-80DB-114AC9AB7A57@q.com> <1FFC22F5-4590-4B4E-860B-1B97C81C0A13@q.com> Message-ID: <9620EC29-02A9-4B2A-AA78-60405BD69999@virginmedia.com> Hi Desi! Yes you can edit! There are different tabs if you select the info tab you can tab through the options like song name artist and track number and album name and others! Just take a look through all of the options on one track to see which ones are there and which ones you need or ignore! Also take a look in the options tab there might be items of use [or not] and when you first command I it should be on summery by default! hth Colin On 11 Oct 2011, at 18:34, Desi Noller wrote: > Hi Travis, > > If I press Command-i on a song to see the information there, can I edit it there as well, if necessary, or is that just a way to read the information? > > Desi > On Oct 10, 2011, at 8:21 PM, Travis Siegel wrote: > >> If you have itunes configured to keep your library organised, it will copy the files for you when you add them to the itunes library. >> Again, the easiest way to tell if all the info is there or not is just to import one or two of them. Then, you can see if all thee desired info is present or not. >> If you perform a command-i on the song in question, you can check out the various tabs and see if the information is present/correct. >> Give it a try and let us know how it works. I have no idea if windows media player properly tags songs or not, since I've never used it for song importing. >> Others may be able to tell you, but it may be considered off topic here, so perhaps answers to such questions should go off-list. >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From desiandcandy at q.com Tue Oct 11 18:55:41 2011 From: desiandcandy at q.com (Desi Noller) Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 10:55:41 -0700 Subject: Copying mp3 files into iTunes In-Reply-To: <9620EC29-02A9-4B2A-AA78-60405BD69999@virginmedia.com> References: <497AF0F6-0305-4FA0-9C7C-9085F75166E2@q.com> <5995B8C6-C6A6-43EC-80DB-114AC9AB7A57@q.com> <1FFC22F5-4590-4B4E-860B-1B97C81C0A13@q.com> <9620EC29-02A9-4B2A-AA78-60405BD69999@virginmedia.com> Message-ID: <493D6DB6-5942-4F7C-A330-14CC78B2DE65@q.com> Hi Colin, Thanks so much! I'll check it all out, and see what I can accomplish. Desi On Oct 11, 2011, at 10:43 AM, Red.Falcon wrote: > Hi Desi! > Yes you can edit! > There are different tabs if you select the info tab you can tab through the options like song name artist and track number and album name and others! > Just take a look through all of the options on one track to see which ones are there and which ones you need or ignore! > Also take a look in the options tab there might be items of use [or not] and when you first command I it should be on summery by default! > hth Colin > > On 11 Oct 2011, at 18:34, Desi Noller wrote: > >> Hi Travis, >> >> If I press Command-i on a song to see the information there, can I edit it there as well, if necessary, or is that just a way to read the information? >> >> Desi >> On Oct 10, 2011, at 8:21 PM, Travis Siegel wrote: >> >>> If you have itunes configured to keep your library organised, it will copy the files for you when you add them to the itunes library. >>> Again, the easiest way to tell if all the info is there or not is just to import one or two of them. Then, you can see if all thee desired info is present or not. >>> If you perform a command-i on the song in question, you can check out the various tabs and see if the information is present/correct. >>> Give it a try and let us know how it works. I have no idea if windows media player properly tags songs or not, since I've never used it for song importing. >>> Others may be able to tell you, but it may be considered off topic here, so perhaps answers to such questions should go off-list. >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>> >>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>> . >>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From moriond at mac.com Tue Oct 11 19:07:06 2011 From: moriond at mac.com (Esther) Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 08:07:06 -1000 Subject: iTunes 10.5 with iOS 5 support released Message-ID: <0DE5EDA4-7984-4680-86D0-B76B352D7E92@mac.com> Hello all, Apple has released the new version of iTunes 10.5 with support for iOS 5. You can get this via software update, or from: http://www.apple.com/itunes/download/ The direct link to the disk image file currently is: http://appldnld.apple.com/iTunes10/041-2597.20111011.PigVe/iTunes10.5.dmg Lynne and Gordon, you might want to put this on the software server. I imagine that the Apple servers will be very congested, and this may be difficult to download when iOS 5 gets released. HTH. Cheers, Esther From juanitatighan at gmail.com Tue Oct 11 19:43:46 2011 From: juanitatighan at gmail.com (Jane) Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 14:43:46 -0400 Subject: iTunes 10.5 with iOS 5 support released In-Reply-To: <0DE5EDA4-7984-4680-86D0-B76B352D7E92@mac.com> References: <0DE5EDA4-7984-4680-86D0-B76B352D7E92@mac.com> Message-ID: I just want to add that it is very VO-friendly. I haven't seen any sluggishness or other issues. Jane I jus On Oct 11, 2011, at 2:07 PM, Esther wrote: > Hello all, > > Apple has released the new version of iTunes 10.5 with support for iOS 5. You can get this via software update, or from: > http://www.apple.com/itunes/download/ > > The direct link to the disk image file currently is: > http://appldnld.apple.com/iTunes10/041-2597.20111011.PigVe/iTunes10.5.dmg > > Lynne and Gordon, you might want to put this on the software server. I imagine that the Apple servers will be very congested, and this may be difficult to download when iOS 5 gets released. > > HTH. Cheers, > > Esther > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From mike at busboom.at Tue Oct 11 21:01:46 2011 From: mike at busboom.at (Michael Busboom) Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 22:01:46 +0200 Subject: Calling you In-Reply-To: <42328FD89F9C414ABA4C860096376947@YOURZ8KUJVJGKY> References: <4F986A8F-CFAF-4C05-B1D8-D67A8749F24D@hopewell.org.uk> <42328FD89F9C414ABA4C860096376947@YOURZ8KUJVJGKY> Message-ID: Hey Geoff, You might not believe this, but I actually do support a lot of Chicago sports teams. For instance, I follow the Bears, the Bulls and the Blackhawks. I am seriously considering giving my allegiance to the Southsiders, but that decision is still on hold. To my way of thinking, it wouldn't hurt me too much to follow the American League, and the White Sox are as good a team as any. I was wondering if I could call you or if we could meet on Skype to discuss all this Chrome stuff. I am thoroughly confused, very unusual for me, but there you have it. If you were okay with the idea, I'd try to reach you on Thursday in the late morning, your time. Would you be amenable to assisting me, and would you have the time? I could either call you or meet you on Skhpe--your choice. Kindest regards, Geoff, Mike From marrie12 at gmail.com Tue Oct 11 21:22:40 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 13:22:40 -0700 Subject: checking status bar icons Message-ID: Hello. since apple broke the status bar icons checking thing in lion is there another way to do it? I don't have growl and growl has not worked for me ever since i got the mac last year. Basically my dropbox broke during a restore as I never had tm back up the folder as it is on the website. and I can't see if a synch is going on or not because I can't use the method I used in snl. Thanks all. Sarah Alawami If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com website: http://music.marrie.org Podcast: http://tffp.marrie.org/podcast youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 From support at mac-access.net Tue Oct 11 21:24:14 2011 From: support at mac-access.net (Gordon & Lynne) Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 21:24:14 +0100 Subject: Michael's Personal Message to the group Message-ID: <264457A6-F4D3-42F0-B8CC-7A2480040D81@mac-access.net> Hello everybody Michael has contacted me to apologise for his error. He sent a personal message intended for Geoff to the group instead of to Geoff personally. It was an error which Michael can't explain. But he was prompt and genuinely sincere when he apologised. Michael, no harm done. You made a mistake; so let's just move on. It couldn't be helped. Lynne From will.d.lomas at gmail.com Tue Oct 11 22:14:17 2011 From: will.d.lomas at gmail.com (william lomas) Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 22:14:17 +0100 Subject: iTunes in the cloud Message-ID: Hi all So from what i understand this cloud business, i can backup my iTunes music folder, and this would include i assume my iPhone when it has full IOS5 including all my apps on it etc? so that if i got the 4s i can restore everything as it now stands on my 4s, correct? how does the music thing work? does that mean say, that is i got an iPhone 4s, i could say let's say: "play songs by michael jacson" it would if songs not on the device get it all from the cloud? if so a sixteen gig wills hit anyone From will.d.lomas at gmail.com Tue Oct 11 22:16:39 2011 From: will.d.lomas at gmail.com (william lomas) Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 22:16:39 +0100 Subject: icloud Message-ID: hi is iCloud only for iTunes purchases or is it for my whole music library? don't uqite understand it From will.d.lomas at gmail.com Tue Oct 11 22:25:46 2011 From: will.d.lomas at gmail.com (william lomas) Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 22:25:46 +0100 Subject: itunes match Message-ID: <76A630B2-1420-4282-9647-0D468861FA23@gmail.com> hi all where can i find the match feature in iTunes 10.5 please? i assume when iCloud launches tomorrow with ios five we can backup music etc and pay the 25 dollars and have all of our library if enough storage not he's erver to play as and when we wish? From chris.hallsworth at techno-chat.net Tue Oct 11 23:01:08 2011 From: chris.hallsworth at techno-chat.net (chris hallsworth) Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 23:01:08 +0100 Subject: icloud In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4E94BCA4.6060203@techno-chat.net> iCloud as far as I understand it allows you to back up your settings and data so you can restore it either to the same or another device. On 11/10/2011 22:16, william lomas wrote: > hi is iCloud only for iTunes purchases or is it for my whole music library? > don't uqite understand it > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > > From support at mac-access.net Wed Oct 12 00:42:00 2011 From: support at mac-access.net (Gordon & Lynne) Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 00:42:00 +0100 Subject: Take Control Request Message-ID: <060D0497-117E-4027-8D92-32C34D27E2AB@mac-access.net> Hello Earlier today somebody asked me to initiate a TC title order. To my shame I've forgotten who it was. If this was you, could you let us know please and I'll do that as soon as you do. Lynne From jonathan.tyrer at gmail.com Wed Oct 12 02:11:50 2011 From: jonathan.tyrer at gmail.com (Jonathan Tyrer) Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 02:11:50 +0100 Subject: Twitter on OS X? Message-ID: Is it me or is the official Twitter client for OS X useless? Coming to OS X from and iPhone, it still surprises me how many apps on are unuseable compared to iPhone apps and how if they are unuseable, they are really unuseable. there's no sorta kinda getting something to work like there is with JAWS for example. JT From juanitatighan at gmail.com Wed Oct 12 02:17:41 2011 From: juanitatighan at gmail.com (Jane) Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 21:17:41 -0400 Subject: Twitter on OS X? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6E20D3D9-B9B2-40D1-8C71-BBF7A3D707C5@gmail.com> I don't use the official Twitter client for the Mac. I use one that has a veyr long, unpronounceable name. YoruFukurou I call it Night Owl, because eveyr one else seems to, but that long name is ow you find it in the app store. It is easy to use. You sign in with your Twitter credentials, authorize the app, and you're on your way. You can explore the menus and get keyboard shortcuts for just about everything. Jane On Oct 11, 2011, at 9:11 PM, Jonathan Tyrer wrote: > Is it me or is the official Twitter client for OS X useless? > > Coming to OS X from and iPhone, it still surprises me how many apps on > are unuseable compared to iPhone apps and how if they are unuseable, > they are really unuseable. there's no sorta kinda getting something to > work like there is with JAWS for example. > > JT > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From marrie12 at gmail.com Wed Oct 12 02:24:18 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 18:24:18 -0700 Subject: Twitter on OS X? In-Reply-To: <6E20D3D9-B9B2-40D1-8C71-BBF7A3D707C5@gmail.com> References: <6E20D3D9-B9B2-40D1-8C71-BBF7A3D707C5@gmail.com> Message-ID: I also did a podcast on it. I could not cover everything as I did not know woat some of it did but the app is easy touse but very extensive. Have fun using it as I did and still do. Oh and there staff are wonderful at fixing issues. On Oct 11, 2011, at 6:17 PM, Jane wrote: > I don't use the official Twitter client for the Mac. I use one that has a veyr long, unpronounceable name. YoruFukurou > > I call it Night Owl, because eveyr one else seems to, but that long name is ow you find it in the app store. It is easy to use. You sign in with your Twitter credentials, authorize the app, and you're on your way. You can explore the menus and get keyboard shortcuts for just about everything. > > Jane > > > > > On Oct 11, 2011, at 9:11 PM, Jonathan Tyrer wrote: > >> Is it me or is the official Twitter client for OS X useless? >> >> Coming to OS X from and iPhone, it still surprises me how many apps on >> are unuseable compared to iPhone apps and how if they are unuseable, >> they are really unuseable. there's no sorta kinda getting something to >> work like there is with JAWS for example. >> >> JT >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From jonathan.tyrer at gmail.com Wed Oct 12 02:49:26 2011 From: jonathan.tyrer at gmail.com (Jonathan Tyrer) Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 02:49:26 +0100 Subject: Twitter on OS X? In-Reply-To: References: <6E20D3D9-B9B2-40D1-8C71-BBF7A3D707C5@gmail.com> Message-ID: I guess taht'that's a no then, I use that hard-to-say one to. The only thing about it that anoys me is that I keep finding myself at the bottom of the two hundred row table and not able to easilly get back to the top - any suggestion? Best wishes. JT On 12/10/2011, Sarah Alawami wrote: > I also did a podcast on it. I could not cover everything as I did not know > woat some of it did but the app is easy touse but very extensive. Have fun > using it as I did and still do. Oh and there staff are wonderful at fixing > issues. > On Oct 11, 2011, at 6:17 PM, Jane wrote: > >> I don't use the official Twitter client for the Mac. I use one that has a >> veyr long, unpronounceable name. YoruFukurou >> >> I call it Night Owl, because eveyr one else seems to, but that long name >> is ow you find it in the app store. It is easy to use. You sign in with >> your Twitter credentials, authorize the app, and you're on your way. You >> can explore the menus and get keyboard shortcuts for just about >> everything. >> >> Jane >> >> >> >> >> On Oct 11, 2011, at 9:11 PM, Jonathan Tyrer wrote: >> >>> Is it me or is the official Twitter client for OS X useless? >>> >>> Coming to OS X from and iPhone, it still surprises me how many apps on >>> are unuseable compared to iPhone apps and how if they are unuseable, >>> they are really unuseable. there's no sorta kinda getting something to >>> work like there is with JAWS for example. >>> >>> JT >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to >>> mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum >>> at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>> >>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>> . >>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus >>> and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by >>> visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to >> mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum >> at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus >> and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting >> the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at > either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus > and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting > the list website at: > > From marrie12 at gmail.com Wed Oct 12 03:06:22 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 19:06:22 -0700 Subject: Twitter on OS X? In-Reply-To: References: <6E20D3D9-B9B2-40D1-8C71-BBF7A3D707C5@gmail.com> Message-ID: <72B01067-7D03-4F74-9574-843526CABBC0@gmail.com> yah hit cmd up arro to get to the top. this is a standard keystroke that works almost anyware in osx.. On Oct 11, 2011, at 6:49 PM, Jonathan Tyrer wrote: > I guess taht'that's a no then, I use that hard-to-say one to. > > The only thing about it that anoys me is that I keep finding myself at > the bottom of the two hundred row table and not able to easilly get > back to the top - any suggestion? > > Best wishes. > > JT > > On 12/10/2011, Sarah Alawami wrote: >> I also did a podcast on it. I could not cover everything as I did not know >> woat some of it did but the app is easy touse but very extensive. Have fun >> using it as I did and still do. Oh and there staff are wonderful at fixing >> issues. >> On Oct 11, 2011, at 6:17 PM, Jane wrote: >> >>> I don't use the official Twitter client for the Mac. I use one that has a >>> veyr long, unpronounceable name. YoruFukurou >>> >>> I call it Night Owl, because eveyr one else seems to, but that long name >>> is ow you find it in the app store. It is easy to use. You sign in with >>> your Twitter credentials, authorize the app, and you're on your way. You >>> can explore the menus and get keyboard shortcuts for just about >>> everything. >>> >>> Jane >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Oct 11, 2011, at 9:11 PM, Jonathan Tyrer wrote: >>> >>>> Is it me or is the official Twitter client for OS X useless? >>>> >>>> Coming to OS X from and iPhone, it still surprises me how many apps on >>>> are unuseable compared to iPhone apps and how if they are unuseable, >>>> they are really unuseable. there's no sorta kinda getting something to >>>> work like there is with JAWS for example. >>>> >>>> JT >>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to >>>> mac-access at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum >>>> at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>>> >>>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>>> . >>>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>>> >>>> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus >>>> and worm-free! >>>> >>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by >>>> visiting the list website at: >>>> >>> >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to >>> mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum >>> at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>> >>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>> . >>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus >>> and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting >>> the list website at: >>> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to >> mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at >> either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus >> and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting >> the list website at: >> >> > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From motten53 at gmail.com Wed Oct 12 04:22:39 2011 From: motten53 at gmail.com (Mary Otten) Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 20:22:39 -0700 Subject: Twitter on OS X? In-Reply-To: <72B01067-7D03-4F74-9574-843526CABBC0@gmail.com> References: <6E20D3D9-B9B2-40D1-8C71-BBF7A3D707C5@gmail.com> <72B01067-7D03-4F74-9574-843526CABBC0@gmail.com> Message-ID: <26BC4AD9-DB00-40C8-98CC-2362278392B5@gmail.com> I thought they took command up arrow out of Lion. mary Mary Otten motten53 at gmail.com From zkline at speedpost.net Wed Oct 12 04:27:56 2011 From: zkline at speedpost.net (Zachary Kline) Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 20:27:56 -0700 Subject: Twitter on OS X? In-Reply-To: <26BC4AD9-DB00-40C8-98CC-2362278392B5@gmail.com> References: <6E20D3D9-B9B2-40D1-8C71-BBF7A3D707C5@gmail.com> <72B01067-7D03-4F74-9574-843526CABBC0@gmail.com> <26BC4AD9-DB00-40C8-98CC-2362278392B5@gmail.com> Message-ID: <8694DEDC-920A-430A-A738-C44C4070016F@speedpost.net> Either way, another way to get to the top of the table in Yoru is to press 0. cmd-up works for me in text editing, not in tables. Best, Zack. On Oct 11, 2011, at 8:22 PM, Mary Otten wrote: > I thought they took command up arrow out of Lion. > > mary > > Mary Otten > motten53 at gmail.com > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From grtdane at internode.on.net Wed Oct 12 04:35:28 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 14:35:28 +1100 Subject: Twitter on OS X? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <884AEDD3-CFFC-45F7-A6DF-4F05F2C47C6E@internode.on.net> I see where you're coming from but given the thousands of pieces of software available for the Mc there's usually a third party utility or tool around which is accessible, in the case of Twitter clients there are several including my favourite YoruFukurou. On 12/10/2011, at 12:11 PM, Jonathan Tyrer wrote: > Is it me or is the official Twitter client for OS X useless? > > Coming to OS X from and iPhone, it still surprises me how many apps on > are unuseable compared to iPhone apps and how if they are unuseable, > they are really unuseable. there's no sorta kinda getting something to > work like there is with JAWS for example. > > JT > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From grtdane at internode.on.net Wed Oct 12 04:37:02 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 14:37:02 +1100 Subject: Twitter on OS X? In-Reply-To: <6E20D3D9-B9B2-40D1-8C71-BBF7A3D707C5@gmail.com> References: <6E20D3D9-B9B2-40D1-8C71-BBF7A3D707C5@gmail.com> Message-ID: <0DC86C24-EA06-497E-939B-2C19F8B9247D@internode.on.net> You're not talking about YoruFukurou by any chance? Its a client developed in Japan and its amongst the best Twitter clients around, nearly as good as Qwitter for Windows and just as good as Tweetlist Pro for IOS. On 12/10/2011, at 12:17 PM, Jane wrote: > I don't use the official Twitter client for the Mac. I use one that has a veyr long, unpronounceable name. YoruFukurou > > I call it Night Owl, because eveyr one else seems to, but that long name is ow you find it in the app store. It is easy to use. You sign in with your Twitter credentials, authorize the app, and you're on your way. You can explore the menus and get keyboard shortcuts for just about everything. > > Jane > > > > > On Oct 11, 2011, at 9:11 PM, Jonathan Tyrer wrote: > >> Is it me or is the official Twitter client for OS X useless? >> >> Coming to OS X from and iPhone, it still surprises me how many apps on >> are unuseable compared to iPhone apps and how if they are unuseable, >> they are really unuseable. there's no sorta kinda getting something to >> work like there is with JAWS for example. >> >> JT >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From marrie12 at gmail.com Wed Oct 12 06:01:30 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 22:01:30 -0700 Subject: Twitter on OS X? In-Reply-To: <26BC4AD9-DB00-40C8-98CC-2362278392B5@gmail.com> References: <6E20D3D9-B9B2-40D1-8C71-BBF7A3D707C5@gmail.com> <72B01067-7D03-4F74-9574-843526CABBC0@gmail.com> <26BC4AD9-DB00-40C8-98CC-2362278392B5@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1EC8110D-88CD-4D64-914C-2092C8F6CAF4@gmail.com> No they didn't. it works in the night owl table, or as stated you could hit 0 but I like cmd up as it is the standard. but 0 works when I have my hand full of doughnut. lol! On Oct 11, 2011, at 8:22 PM, Mary Otten wrote: > I thought they took command up arrow out of Lion. > > mary > > Mary Otten > motten53 at gmail.com > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From phonerossy at gmail.com Wed Oct 12 07:46:14 2011 From: phonerossy at gmail.com (rostislava koumanova) Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 08:46:14 +0200 Subject: Take Control Request In-Reply-To: <060D0497-117E-4027-8D92-32C34D27E2AB@mac-access.net> References: <060D0497-117E-4027-8D92-32C34D27E2AB@mac-access.net> Message-ID: hi lyne , i did not order anything yet. still working on some testing and should be paid one day. those money will be dedicated to some books and a small mixer for me podcasts. best regards rk Il giorno 12/ott/2011, alle ore 01:42, Gordon & Lynne ha scritto: > Hello > > Earlier today somebody asked me to initiate a TC title order. To my shame I've forgotten who it was. If this was you, could you let us know please and I'll do that as soon as you do. > > Lynne > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From gordon-and-lynne at mac-access.co.uk Wed Oct 12 08:51:13 2011 From: gordon-and-lynne at mac-access.co.uk (Gordon & Lynne) Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 08:51:13 +0100 Subject: iOS5 Released Later Today Message-ID: <32FC517E-B6F5-42E5-8378-0B6C87CABFC9@mac-access.co.uk> Good morning everybody I don't think it's a secret any longer; iOS5 is released to the general public later today. It is also no secret I think that iOS5 has been available to the Apple Developer Network for some time. Gordon is a member of that network. I'm not going to discuss detail of the software because it is still, as yeyt, unreleased and is, therefore, still subject to the NDA which all developers agreed to abide by. However, iTunes 10.5 is now in the public domain and many of the new features supported in iOS5 are pretty obvious now to anybody who has played around with the new iTunes. So, all I'm going to say for the moment is that I think you will enjoy using iOS5. There are some things that we would have liked to see done differently. From the accessibility perspective, you will notice at least one major change as soon as you power up your iOA device. Some will like this change, others will not. I will await with interest comment on it, especially from those overseas; as in outside of the US. Apple TV has also changed quite a lot, as it now supports AirPlay. That's no secret; but it's all I''m going to say on the subject. Anyway, I hope you enjoy the new OS when it hits your iOS device later today. Lynne ------------------------------ This message was sent from our iPad. ------------------------------ `z From jonathan.tyrer at gmail.com Wed Oct 12 10:00:47 2011 From: jonathan.tyrer at gmail.com (Jonathan Tyrer) Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 10:00:47 +0100 Subject: Twitter on OS X? In-Reply-To: <1EC8110D-88CD-4D64-914C-2092C8F6CAF4@gmail.com> References: <6E20D3D9-B9B2-40D1-8C71-BBF7A3D707C5@gmail.com> <72B01067-7D03-4F74-9574-843526CABBC0@gmail.com> <26BC4AD9-DB00-40C8-98CC-2362278392B5@gmail.com> <1EC8110D-88CD-4D64-914C-2092C8F6CAF4@gmail.com> Message-ID: Interestingly, Cmd+UPArrow doesn't work for me, pressing 0 does, so I'm happy. I still wish more apps were useable, but at leat I have an iPad to listen to Spotify! JT On 12/10/2011, Sarah Alawami wrote: > No they didn't. it works in the night owl table, or as stated you could hit > 0 but I like cmd up as it is the standard. but 0 works when I have my hand > full of doughnut. lol! > On Oct 11, 2011, at 8:22 PM, Mary Otten wrote: > >> I thought they took command up arrow out of Lion. >> >> mary >> >> Mary Otten >> motten53 at gmail.com >> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to >> mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum >> at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus >> and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting >> the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at > either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus > and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting > the list website at: > > From gordon at mac-access.net Wed Oct 12 10:58:11 2011 From: gordon at mac-access.net (Gordon Smith) Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 10:58:11 +0100 Subject: Twitter on OS X? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <438D0734-D6E8-429D-8E70-40F0263DACE0@mac-access.net> Hi Jonathan We use Syrix as our Twitter client. But yes, we've found that client to be a dead app also. Gordon On 12 Oct 2011, at 02:11, Jonathan Tyrer wrote: Is it me or is the official Twitter client for OS X useless? Coming to OS X from and iPhone, it still surprises me how many apps on are unuseable compared to iPhone apps and how if they are unuseable, they are really unuseable. there's no sorta kinda getting something to work like there is with JAWS for example. From kevinchao89 at gmail.com Wed Oct 12 15:24:29 2011 From: kevinchao89 at gmail.com (Kevin Chao) Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 09:24:29 -0500 Subject: iOS 5 Newsstand Magazines/Newspapers are *NOT* VoiceOver Accessible Message-ID: <7C1B0A7E-FDF5-46DF-819B-BEFB00BD8FE7@gmail.com> I've downloaded, installed, and purchased iOS 5 Newsstand issues from: Wired, GQ Magazine, Popular Science, Golf Digest, and Glamour. This resulted in over $20 and 1.25 GB in issues. Unfortunately, all of these issues are inaccessible/unusable with VoiceOver. The issues will read as one of two ways: * button, button, button, button, button, button. * Nothing at all, but will make ding/border sound. It's very sad, awful, and horrible that these 5 iOS 5 Newsstand apps allow one to purchase/subscribe to issues, see all the details, but not actually read the issues with VoiceOver that one paid for. Please, I hope that users will contact, educate, advocate for, and push for accessibility of these and all Newsstand apps by reaching out to developers. Newsstand is quite a big feature in iOS 5, had the potential to revolutionize magazine and newspaper access for print-disabled, but is inaccessible/unusable in its current form. Kevin From kevinchao89 at gmail.com Wed Oct 12 15:24:37 2011 From: kevinchao89 at gmail.com (Kevin Chao) Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 09:24:37 -0500 Subject: iOS 5 VoiceOver Unofficial Change Log Message-ID: <034B10DD-9463-4463-B3C2-8578DF2D9335@gmail.com> iOS 5 VoiceOver has a total of 75 changes: 47 new features, 13 enhancements, and 15 fixes. https://docs.google.com/document/pub?id=1pOw7ayVuGSAdPluiJ0xFByCIxIzFpQBCy2LreeZiwYI Kevin From marrie12 at gmail.com Wed Oct 12 16:15:15 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 08:15:15 -0700 Subject: an upcoming podcast on itunes Message-ID: Ok I took for ever to edit it but at 9 am Pacific time my podcast on a glance at iTunes 10.5 will be coming. I go over the positives and negatives in the app and there is one negative which I don't much care for. but you will see what it is when the podcast comes out. Watch http://tffp.marrie.org/podcast for more info starting at around 9:00 am Pacific time, 12:00 pm noon eastern time. Take care all. Sarah Alawami If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com website: http://music.marrie.org Podcast: http://tffp.marrie.org/podcast youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 From jonathan.tyrer at gmail.com Wed Oct 12 16:42:47 2011 From: jonathan.tyrer at gmail.com (Jonathan Tyrer) Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 16:42:47 +0100 Subject: iOS 5 VoiceOver Unofficial Change Log In-Reply-To: <034B10DD-9463-4463-B3C2-8578DF2D9335@gmail.com> References: <034B10DD-9463-4463-B3C2-8578DF2D9335@gmail.com> Message-ID: This is fantastic, thanks for all your hard work putting it together. I can't wait to download the new version of IOS. one question, has the problem with the proximity sensor not been addressed? I know a lot of people, like me, who find the phone unuseable with VO running unless you're using a headset - it's the only thing I really dislike about the iPhone. Cheers. JT On 12/10/2011, Kevin Chao wrote: > iOS 5 VoiceOver has a total of 75 changes: 47 new features, 13 enhancements, > and 15 fixes. > https://docs.google.com/document/pub?id=1pOw7ayVuGSAdPluiJ0xFByCIxIzFpQBCy2LreeZiwYI > > Kevin > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at > either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus > and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting > the list website at: > > From jonathan.tyrer at gmail.com Wed Oct 12 17:06:00 2011 From: jonathan.tyrer at gmail.com (Jonathan Tyrer) Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 17:06:00 +0100 Subject: an upcoming podcast on itunes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I'm struggling to see any differences to be honest. give me a clue? JT On 12/10/2011, Sarah Alawami wrote: > Ok I took for ever to edit it but at 9 am Pacific time my podcast on a > glance at iTunes 10.5 will be coming. I go over the positives and negatives > in the app and there is one negative which I don't much care for. but you > will see what it is when the podcast comes out. Watch > http://tffp.marrie.org/podcast for more info starting at around 9:00 am > Pacific time, 12:00 pm noon eastern time. > > Take care all. > > Sarah Alawami > > If you need an edit done on a small project go to > http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me > my info is below. > MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com > website: http://music.marrie.org > Podcast: http://tffp.marrie.org/podcast > youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at > either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus > and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting > the list website at: > > From motten53 at gmail.com Wed Oct 12 17:11:46 2011 From: motten53 at gmail.com (Mary Otten) Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 09:11:46 -0700 Subject: iOS 5 Newsstand Magazines/Newspapers are *NOT* VoiceOver Accessible In-Reply-To: <7C1B0A7E-FDF5-46DF-819B-BEFB00BD8FE7@gmail.com> References: <7C1B0A7E-FDF5-46DF-819B-BEFB00BD8FE7@gmail.com> Message-ID: Sounds too familiar. Kindle all over again. Just like the images that you get in Wolfram Alpha when asking Siri. Steps in the wrong direction. mary Mary Otten motten53 at gmail.com From kevinchao89 at gmail.com Wed Oct 12 17:36:25 2011 From: kevinchao89 at gmail.com (Kevin Chao) Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 11:36:25 -0500 Subject: iOS 5 VoiceOver New features Podcast Message-ID: <16733A8A-55E7-4045-B715-71C6FEEBB98A@gmail.com> @VoiceOverOn tweeted: #iOS5, part 1: New #a11y features. http://t.co/EY3XQVyX #Apple #VoiceOver October 12, 2011 11:29:45 AM http://twitter.com/VoiceOverOn/status/124159831279009792 Sent from my iPhone From zkline at speedpost.net Wed Oct 12 17:57:10 2011 From: zkline at speedpost.net (Zachary Kline) Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 09:57:10 -0700 Subject: iOS 5 Newsstand Magazines/Newspapers are *NOT* VoiceOver Accessible In-Reply-To: References: <7C1B0A7E-FDF5-46DF-819B-BEFB00BD8FE7@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4FDFFB8D-3A13-4A61-A09D-3AA92592A885@speedpost.net> Hi Mary, Apple didn't write these apps, mind you. Developers are largely at fault for the accessibility issues in this instance. Best, Zack. On Oct 12, 2011, at 9:11 AM, Mary Otten wrote: > Sounds too familiar. Kindle all over again. Just like the images that you get in Wolfram Alpha when asking Siri. Steps in the wrong direction. > > mary > > Mary Otten > motten53 at gmail.com > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From will.d.lomas at gmail.com Wed Oct 12 18:53:59 2011 From: will.d.lomas at gmail.com (william lomas) Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 18:53:59 +0100 Subject: iOS 5 Newsstand Magazines/Newspapers are *NOT* VoiceOver Accessible In-Reply-To: <7C1B0A7E-FDF5-46DF-819B-BEFB00BD8FE7@gmail.com> References: <7C1B0A7E-FDF5-46DF-819B-BEFB00BD8FE7@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5ABFB818-32FC-4C78-B043-49607724BEC8@gmail.com> that's ashame was hoping it work in the UK On Oct 12, 2011, at 3:24 PM, Kevin Chao wrote: > I've downloaded, installed, and purchased iOS 5 Newsstand issues from: Wired, GQ Magazine, Popular Science, Golf Digest, and Glamour. This resulted in over $20 and 1.25 GB in issues. > > Unfortunately, all of these issues are inaccessible/unusable with VoiceOver. The issues will read as one of two ways: > * button, button, button, button, button, button. > * Nothing at all, but will make ding/border sound. > > It's very sad, awful, and horrible that these 5 iOS 5 Newsstand apps allow one to purchase/subscribe to issues, see all the details, but not actually read the issues with VoiceOver that one paid for. Please, I hope that users will contact, educate, advocate for, and push for accessibility of these and all Newsstand apps by reaching out to developers. Newsstand is quite a big feature in iOS 5, had the potential to revolutionize magazine and newspaper access for print-disabled, but is inaccessible/unusable in its current form. > > Kevin > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From will.d.lomas at gmail.com Wed Oct 12 19:04:07 2011 From: will.d.lomas at gmail.com (william lomas) Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 19:04:07 +0100 Subject: voices in iOS five Message-ID: <51BA0E48-6431-4CE0-9227-8E25E7700964@gmail.com> hi has anyone gotten hq samantha here in the UK on ios five? From jonathan.tyrer at gmail.com Wed Oct 12 19:16:29 2011 From: jonathan.tyrer at gmail.com (Jonathan Tyrer) Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 19:16:29 +0100 Subject: Will you help me create accessible Mac app list? Message-ID: I've been asked to put together a list of Mac apps that are useable with VoiceOver. I'd be really grateful to anyone who can let me know what apps they use, what they do and how usable they really are - are they fully useable or do they need a bit of work. I already know about the basic apps - IM, Twitter Etc. Thanks in advance. JT From jonathan.tyrer at gmail.com Wed Oct 12 19:19:19 2011 From: jonathan.tyrer at gmail.com (Jonathan Tyrer) Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 19:19:19 +0100 Subject: voices in iOS five In-Reply-To: <51BA0E48-6431-4CE0-9227-8E25E7700964@gmail.com> References: <51BA0E48-6431-4CE0-9227-8E25E7700964@gmail.com> Message-ID: Not yet, but I'm glad the premium voice is her - I hate Daniel! JT On 12/10/2011, william lomas wrote: > hi has anyone gotten hq samantha here in the UK on ios five? > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at > either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus > and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting > the list website at: > > From will.d.lomas at gmail.com Wed Oct 12 19:32:39 2011 From: will.d.lomas at gmail.com (william lomas) Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 19:32:39 +0100 Subject: voices in iOS five In-Reply-To: References: <51BA0E48-6431-4CE0-9227-8E25E7700964@gmail.com> Message-ID: <439A797F-2D5A-41EC-BB83-D052BE5389D4@gmail.com> all I can get is daniel On Oct 12, 2011, at 7:19 PM, Jonathan Tyrer wrote: > Not yet, but I'm glad the premium voice is her - I hate Daniel! > > JT > > On 12/10/2011, william lomas wrote: >> hi has anyone gotten hq samantha here in the UK on ios five? >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to >> mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at >> either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus >> and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting >> the list website at: >> >> > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From support at mac-access.net Wed Oct 12 19:40:26 2011 From: support at mac-access.net (Gordon & Lynne) Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 19:40:26 +0100 Subject: New Take Control Book Available Now Ag 80% Discount Message-ID: <41250E35-9209-4245-8DC0-4FCC6ADDD060@mac-access.net> Hello everybody Our friends at Macworld (some of whom also write for Take Control) have produced the visually appealing "Macworld Total Lion Superguide," which contains a compendium of savvy information about Mac OS X 10.7 Lion's many new and updated features. The 133-page ebook is available for just ?2.11 GBP today at Mac Access Dot Net. Whether you want to know where your scroll bars went, discover the mission of Mission Control, learn why you might want to replace your mouse with a trackpad, explore the new Auto Save and Versions features, learn how to use and navigate between full-screen apps, delve into Lion's new security features, or see what else is different behind the new look of Address Book and iCal, you'll find it in the "Macworld Total Lion Superguide." You'll also learn how to: * Share files via AirDrop. * Do a Save As in an application that supports Auto Save. * Use all the new trackpad gestures. * Follow a conversation in Mail. * Add your signature to a PDF in Preview. * Save pages to read later in Safari. * Arrange your applications in Launchpad. * Back up your laptop when it's not connected to a Time Machine disk. * Understand and organize All Files in the Finder. This book is available for purchase now at an 80 per cent discount. Lynne From chris.hallsworth at techno-chat.net Wed Oct 12 19:47:15 2011 From: chris.hallsworth at techno-chat.net (chris hallsworth) Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 19:47:15 +0100 Subject: iOS 5 Message-ID: <4E95E0B3.3090005@techno-chat.net> Downloading now as I speak. From jonathan.tyrer at gmail.com Wed Oct 12 19:49:25 2011 From: jonathan.tyrer at gmail.com (Jonathan Tyrer) Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 19:49:25 +0100 Subject: voices in iOS five In-Reply-To: <439A797F-2D5A-41EC-BB83-D052BE5389D4@gmail.com> References: <51BA0E48-6431-4CE0-9227-8E25E7700964@gmail.com> <439A797F-2D5A-41EC-BB83-D052BE5389D4@gmail.com> Message-ID: I read it downloads the Premium voice when your plugged into the mains - tried that? JT On 12/10/2011, william lomas wrote: > all I > can get is daniel > > On Oct 12, 2011, at 7:19 PM, Jonathan Tyrer wrote: > >> Not yet, but I'm glad the premium voice is her - I hate Daniel! >> >> JT >> >> On 12/10/2011, william lomas wrote: >>> hi has anyone gotten hq samantha here in the UK on ios five? >>> >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to >>> mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum >>> at >>> either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>> >>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>> . >>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus >>> and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by >>> visiting >>> the list website at: >>> >>> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to >> mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum >> at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus >> and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting >> the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at > either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus > and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting > the list website at: > > From caitlyn.furness at gmail.com Wed Oct 12 20:06:26 2011 From: caitlyn.furness at gmail.com (Caitlyn Furness) Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 15:06:26 -0400 Subject: anybody else having problems upgrading to ios 5? Message-ID: <3DA303E1-9BA6-4B83-A952-EDF37AFD50E4@gmail.com> Hi, I just tried to upgrade to ios 5 with my i phone and had a bunch of different things happen. First, it told me my i phone couldn't be restroed. I shrugged this off and attempted to update again. It then told me I didn't have an internet connection and that my phone couldn't be updated because my i phone couldn't be found. I updated my i tunes yesterday to the new version. Oh, and it also said that all my data, etc, on my phone would be lost since my phone couldn't be restored, would I like to continue anyway(this was the first time). Anybody got any suggestions, or is this just i tunes silliness? Caitlyn Caitlyn Furness caitlyn.furness at gmail.com From james.austin at mac-access.net Wed Oct 12 20:20:50 2011 From: james.austin at mac-access.net (James AUSTIN) Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 20:20:50 +0100 Subject: anybody else having problems upgrading to ios 5? In-Reply-To: <3DA303E1-9BA6-4B83-A952-EDF37AFD50E4@gmail.com> References: <3DA303E1-9BA6-4B83-A952-EDF37AFD50E4@gmail.com> Message-ID: <220E8660-901C-4363-B1B0-557E3CBE231F@mac-access.net> Hi Caitlyn It is probably iTunes silliness, it could also be that Apple's servers are taking a hammering at the moment if I were you, I'd try ti again in a few hours, or perhaps just before you go to bed. The update will take a long time approximately an hour. I've not done this myself, yet, but Lyn has started to do it on hers and VoiceOver said that it would take about an hour. TC :) James On 12 Oct 2011, at 20:06, Caitlyn Furness wrote: > Hi, > > I just tried to upgrade to ios 5 with my i phone and had a bunch of different things happen. > > First, it told me my i phone couldn't be restroed. I shrugged this off and attempted to update again. It then told me I didn't have an internet connection and that my phone couldn't be updated because my i phone couldn't be found. > > I updated my i tunes yesterday to the new version. > > Oh, and it also said that all my data, etc, on my phone would be lost since my phone couldn't be restored, would I like to continue anyway(this was the first time). > > Anybody got any suggestions, or is this just i tunes silliness? > > Caitlyn > > Caitlyn Furness > caitlyn.furness at gmail.com > > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From caitlyn.furness at gmail.com Wed Oct 12 20:44:47 2011 From: caitlyn.furness at gmail.com (Caitlyn Furness) Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 15:44:47 -0400 Subject: anybody else having problems upgrading to ios 5? In-Reply-To: <220E8660-901C-4363-B1B0-557E3CBE231F@mac-access.net> References: <3DA303E1-9BA6-4B83-A952-EDF37AFD50E4@gmail.com> <220E8660-901C-4363-B1B0-557E3CBE231F@mac-access.net> Message-ID: Hi James, Ok, I can certainly try that. I've tried a couple of times now with varying results, but still no luck getting it installled. I do think it successfully downloaded to my mac, though. It keeps saying my phone can't be restored because of an internal error, which seems weird to me. I forgot to say I'm still running snow leopard, if that matters, but don't think it does in this case... Let us know how Lynn makes out. The update just became available in our area about an hour and a half ago, actually, according to the sms my carrier sent me on my phone. Thanks, Cait Caitlyn Furness caitlyn.furness at gmail.com On Oct 12, 2011, at 3:20 PM, James AUSTIN wrote: > Hi Caitlyn > > It is probably iTunes silliness, it could also be that Apple's servers are taking a hammering at the moment if I were you, I'd try ti again in a few hours, or perhaps just before you go to bed. The update will take a long time approximately an hour. I've not done this myself, yet, but Lyn has started to do it on hers and VoiceOver said that it would take about an hour. > > TC :) > James > On 12 Oct 2011, at 20:06, Caitlyn Furness wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> I just tried to upgrade to ios 5 with my i phone and had a bunch of different things happen. >> >> First, it told me my i phone couldn't be restroed. I shrugged this off and attempted to update again. It then told me I didn't have an internet connection and that my phone couldn't be updated because my i phone couldn't be found. >> >> I updated my i tunes yesterday to the new version. >> >> Oh, and it also said that all my data, etc, on my phone would be lost since my phone couldn't be restored, would I like to continue anyway(this was the first time). >> >> Anybody got any suggestions, or is this just i tunes silliness? >> >> Caitlyn >> >> Caitlyn Furness >> caitlyn.furness at gmail.com >> >> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From james.austin at mac-access.net Wed Oct 12 21:06:56 2011 From: james.austin at mac-access.net (James AUSTIN) Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 21:06:56 +0100 Subject: anybody else having problems upgrading to ios 5? In-Reply-To: References: <3DA303E1-9BA6-4B83-A952-EDF37AFD50E4@gmail.com> <220E8660-901C-4363-B1B0-557E3CBE231F@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <9B271E73-143F-4D21-A96D-1649032DB151@mac-access.net> Hi Cait, Out of interest, what version of iTunes are you running? I'd need to check this, but I've got a feeling that iTunes v.10+ only works on Lion. Your being on Snow Leopard might expalin why iOS 5 is not taking. I'll let you know. TC :) On 12 Oct 2011, at 20:44, Caitlyn Furness wrote: > Hi James, > > Ok, I can certainly try that. I've tried a couple of times now with varying results, but still no luck getting it installled. I do think it successfully downloaded to my mac, though. It keeps saying my phone can't be restored because of an internal error, which seems weird to me. > > I forgot to say I'm still running snow leopard, if that matters, but don't think it does in this case... Let us know how Lynn makes out. The update just became available in our area about an hour and a half ago, actually, according to the sms my carrier sent me on my phone. > Thanks, > Cait > > Caitlyn Furness > caitlyn.furness at gmail.com > > > > On Oct 12, 2011, at 3:20 PM, James AUSTIN wrote: > >> Hi Caitlyn >> >> It is probably iTunes silliness, it could also be that Apple's servers are taking a hammering at the moment if I were you, I'd try ti again in a few hours, or perhaps just before you go to bed. The update will take a long time approximately an hour. I've not done this myself, yet, but Lyn has started to do it on hers and VoiceOver said that it would take about an hour. >> >> TC :) >> James >> On 12 Oct 2011, at 20:06, Caitlyn Furness wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> I just tried to upgrade to ios 5 with my i phone and had a bunch of different things happen. >>> >>> First, it told me my i phone couldn't be restroed. I shrugged this off and attempted to update again. It then told me I didn't have an internet connection and that my phone couldn't be updated because my i phone couldn't be found. >>> >>> I updated my i tunes yesterday to the new version. >>> >>> Oh, and it also said that all my data, etc, on my phone would be lost since my phone couldn't be restored, would I like to continue anyway(this was the first time). >>> >>> Anybody got any suggestions, or is this just i tunes silliness? >>> >>> Caitlyn >>> >>> Caitlyn Furness >>> caitlyn.furness at gmail.com >>> >>> >>> >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>> >>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>> . >>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From grtdane at internode.on.net Wed Oct 12 21:07:32 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 07:07:32 +1100 Subject: Twitter and YoruFukurou Message-ID: Just to prove I don't know everything about this client , how do you read a conversation thread? I'm sure there's a command to do it, that's one of the nice things about YoruFukurou, no help files, you have to learn as you go . From dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie Wed Oct 12 21:10:54 2011 From: dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie (=?iso-8859-1?Q?D=F3nal_Fitzpatrick?=) Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 21:10:54 +0100 Subject: anybody else having problems upgrading to ios 5? In-Reply-To: <9B271E73-143F-4D21-A96D-1649032DB151@mac-access.net> References: <3DA303E1-9BA6-4B83-A952-EDF37AFD50E4@gmail.com> <220E8660-901C-4363-B1B0-557E3CBE231F@mac-access.net> <9B271E73-143F-4D21-A96D-1649032DB151@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <9FCFDAB5-51D7-4AFE-96C3-2DD25E7BD896@computing.dcu.ie> I'm having problems updating, but I think it's my phone. Sadly I get an "internal error". Oh well! On 12 Oct 2011, at 21:06, James AUSTIN wrote: > Hi Cait, > > Out of interest, what version of iTunes are you running? I'd need to check this, but I've got a feeling that iTunes v.10+ only works on Lion. Your being on Snow Leopard might expalin why iOS 5 is not taking. > > I'll let you know. > TC :) > On 12 Oct 2011, at 20:44, Caitlyn Furness wrote: > >> Hi James, >> >> Ok, I can certainly try that. I've tried a couple of times now with varying results, but still no luck getting it installled. I do think it successfully downloaded to my mac, though. It keeps saying my phone can't be restored because of an internal error, which seems weird to me. >> >> I forgot to say I'm still running snow leopard, if that matters, but don't think it does in this case... Let us know how Lynn makes out. The update just became available in our area about an hour and a half ago, actually, according to the sms my carrier sent me on my phone. >> Thanks, >> Cait >> >> Caitlyn Furness >> caitlyn.furness at gmail.com >> >> >> >> On Oct 12, 2011, at 3:20 PM, James AUSTIN wrote: >> >>> Hi Caitlyn >>> >>> It is probably iTunes silliness, it could also be that Apple's servers are taking a hammering at the moment if I were you, I'd try ti again in a few hours, or perhaps just before you go to bed. The update will take a long time approximately an hour. I've not done this myself, yet, but Lyn has started to do it on hers and VoiceOver said that it would take about an hour. >>> >>> TC :) >>> James >>> On 12 Oct 2011, at 20:06, Caitlyn Furness wrote: >>> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> I just tried to upgrade to ios 5 with my i phone and had a bunch of different things happen. >>>> >>>> First, it told me my i phone couldn't be restroed. I shrugged this off and attempted to update again. It then told me I didn't have an internet connection and that my phone couldn't be updated because my i phone couldn't be found. >>>> >>>> I updated my i tunes yesterday to the new version. >>>> >>>> Oh, and it also said that all my data, etc, on my phone would be lost since my phone couldn't be restored, would I like to continue anyway(this was the first time). >>>> >>>> Anybody got any suggestions, or is this just i tunes silliness? >>>> >>>> Caitlyn >>>> >>>> Caitlyn Furness >>>> caitlyn.furness at gmail.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>>> >>>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>>> . >>>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>>> >>>> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>> >>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>> >>> >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>> >>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>> . >>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > D?nal Fitzpatrick dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie From dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie Wed Oct 12 21:10:24 2011 From: dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie (=?iso-8859-1?Q?D=F3nal_Fitzpatrick?=) Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 21:10:24 +0100 Subject: Twitter and YoruFukurou In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5B627F28-DE91-4D75-9F26-7E8FD95C7B47@computing.dcu.ie> Cmd-3 will do the trick. On 12 Oct 2011, at 21:07, Dane Trethowan wrote: > Just to prove I don't know everything about this client , how do you read a conversation thread? I'm sure there's a command to do it, that's one of the nice things about YoruFukurou, no help files, you have to learn as you go . > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > D?nal Fitzpatrick dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie From krystalwatson at bluebottle.com Wed Oct 12 21:15:48 2011 From: krystalwatson at bluebottle.com (krystal watson) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 07:15:48 +1100 Subject: is the iPhone 4s worth it? In-Reply-To: <4E907E35.3080505@techno-chat.net> References: <57642C6C-DE8A-41B1-BC0B-D2995DA4525D@gmail.com> <3D36AE3F111849B98B44DDB63D476FEC@YOURZ8KUJVJGKY> <2447D2D5-E782-4873-89A8-A54781DF9598@mac-access.net> <954406FD-9857-4104-B143-03B1978C2315@gmail.com> <4E907E35.3080505@techno-chat.net> Message-ID: <84733657-4ED6-434B-86E1-E4848D515629@bluebottle.com> or we can always do what i do and ask a friend to take a picture for us smiley i i don't think i can get the new i phone as i just got the i phone 4 and i am locked in a plan for 2 years so not sure if i can upgrade to the latest phone in that plan sad smiley face On 09/10/2011, at 3:45 AM, chris hallsworth wrote: > It is worth it because as far as I am concerned why should a blind person be excluded from taking photos or recording video. Just some thoughts. > > On 08/10/2011 17:18, william lomas wrote: >> hope we do in general get a good OCR program though otherwise how can a camera ne worth it for blind users? >> >> On Oct 8, 2011, at 5:13 PM, John Panarese wrote: >> >>> Absolutely, Jeff. This is exactly why we are getting the negativity. This is what happens when rumors run amuck and people buy into them. I ordered my 4S without reservations or any apprehensions. The camera, Siri and the better processor are simply worth the money to me. >>> >>> Take Care >>> John Panarese >>> jpanarese at mac-access.net >>> >>> >>> >>> On Oct 8, 2011, at 10:32 AM, Geoff Waaler wrote: >>> >>>> I'm very puzzled by a lot of the negative reaction to the 4S and suspect that many who are now mashing their teeth would have been singing Apple's praises had they announced an identical device, but instead named it the iPhone 5?!?! Frankly the specs mostly conform to the iPhone 5 roomers when these very people were counting down the days to Apple's iPhone 5 unveiling, and couldn't wait to get their hands on one. It wasn't anticipated that this model would add LTE support, and it didn't. Perhaps my perspective is different since I have a 3GS and am upgrade eligible, but I preordered my 64 GB 4S as soon as it was possible at ohh Dark hundred Friday morning and am anxiously awaiting its arrival!! If I already had a 4 and was not yet eligible for a carrier subsidized upgrade, I suspect I would have still been tempted by the 4S improvements, but probably would not have taken the leap. >>>> >>>> The following article entitled "why the iPhone 4S critics are wrong, wrong, wrong" presents an interesting counter argument to the source sited below: >>>> >>>> http://blogs.computerworld.com/19049/why_the_iphone_4s_critics_are_wrong_wrong_wrong >>>> >>>> Best regards, >>>> Geoff >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: william lomas >>>> To: Mac OSX& iOS Accessibility >>>> Sent: Saturday, October 08, 2011 8:39 AM >>>> Subject: is the iPhone 4s worth it? >>>> >>>> >>>> http://www.appolicious.com/tech/articles/9709-is-the-iphone-4s-worth-buying >>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>>> >>>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>>> . >>>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>>> >>>> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>> >>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>> >>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>>> >>>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>>> . >>>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>>> >>>> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>> >>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>> >>> >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>> >>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>> . >>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> >> > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From zkline at speedpost.net Wed Oct 12 21:12:16 2011 From: zkline at speedpost.net (Zachary Kline) Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 13:12:16 -0700 Subject: Twitter and YoruFukurou In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8BFE1213-D46C-4D74-A6C7-DB35820EC1F2@speedpost.net> Hi Dane, THe command you want is cmd-3, for conversation view. Best, Zack. On Oct 12, 2011, at 1:07 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote: > Just to prove I don't know everything about this client , how do you read a conversation thread? I'm sure there's a command to do it, that's one of the nice things about YoruFukurou, no help files, you have to learn as you go . > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From grtdane at internode.on.net Wed Oct 12 21:12:38 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 07:12:38 +1100 Subject: Twitter and YoruFukurou In-Reply-To: <5B627F28-DE91-4D75-9F26-7E8FD95C7B47@computing.dcu.ie> References: <5B627F28-DE91-4D75-9F26-7E8FD95C7B47@computing.dcu.ie> Message-ID: <9047E8DB-C8A7-4DB7-AEB9-0D3B2F0DAD0C@internode.on.net> Yep it sure does, thanks a bundle. On 13/10/2011, at 7:10 AM, D?nal Fitzpatrick wrote: > Cmd-3 will do the trick. > On 12 Oct 2011, at 21:07, Dane Trethowan wrote: > >> Just to prove I don't know everything about this client , how do you read a conversation thread? I'm sure there's a command to do it, that's one of the nice things about YoruFukurou, no help files, you have to learn as you go . >> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > D?nal Fitzpatrick > dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie > > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From james.austin at mac-access.net Wed Oct 12 21:16:22 2011 From: james.austin at mac-access.net (James AUSTIN) Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 21:16:22 +0100 Subject: anybody else having problems upgrading to ios 5? In-Reply-To: <9FCFDAB5-51D7-4AFE-96C3-2DD25E7BD896@computing.dcu.ie> References: <3DA303E1-9BA6-4B83-A952-EDF37AFD50E4@gmail.com> <220E8660-901C-4363-B1B0-557E3CBE231F@mac-access.net> <9B271E73-143F-4D21-A96D-1649032DB151@mac-access.net> <9FCFDAB5-51D7-4AFE-96C3-2DD25E7BD896@computing.dcu.ie> Message-ID: Hi Donal, What phone are you using? I assume you have updated to the latest version of IOS 4 before trying to update to IOS 5? This may not be important, but when Lion was released, it required that users update to 10.6.8 I believe before attempting the update. Maybe something similar here. If you're using a 3GS, Apple said that IOS 5 would work with it, so I don't think the phone can be at fault, especially considering that Cait is getting the same issue. TC :) James On 12 Oct 2011, at 21:10, D?nal Fitzpatrick wrote: > I'm having problems updating, but I think it's my phone. Sadly I get an "internal error". Oh well! > On 12 Oct 2011, at 21:06, James AUSTIN wrote: > >> Hi Cait, >> >> Out of interest, what version of iTunes are you running? I'd need to check this, but I've got a feeling that iTunes v.10+ only works on Lion. Your being on Snow Leopard might expalin why iOS 5 is not taking. >> >> I'll let you know. >> TC :) >> On 12 Oct 2011, at 20:44, Caitlyn Furness wrote: >> >>> Hi James, >>> >>> Ok, I can certainly try that. I've tried a couple of times now with varying results, but still no luck getting it installled. I do think it successfully downloaded to my mac, though. It keeps saying my phone can't be restored because of an internal error, which seems weird to me. >>> >>> I forgot to say I'm still running snow leopard, if that matters, but don't think it does in this case... Let us know how Lynn makes out. The update just became available in our area about an hour and a half ago, actually, according to the sms my carrier sent me on my phone. >>> Thanks, >>> Cait >>> >>> Caitlyn Furness >>> caitlyn.furness at gmail.com >>> >>> >>> >>> On Oct 12, 2011, at 3:20 PM, James AUSTIN wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Caitlyn >>>> >>>> It is probably iTunes silliness, it could also be that Apple's servers are taking a hammering at the moment if I were you, I'd try ti again in a few hours, or perhaps just before you go to bed. The update will take a long time approximately an hour. I've not done this myself, yet, but Lyn has started to do it on hers and VoiceOver said that it would take about an hour. >>>> >>>> TC :) >>>> James >>>> On 12 Oct 2011, at 20:06, Caitlyn Furness wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi, >>>>> >>>>> I just tried to upgrade to ios 5 with my i phone and had a bunch of different things happen. >>>>> >>>>> First, it told me my i phone couldn't be restroed. I shrugged this off and attempted to update again. It then told me I didn't have an internet connection and that my phone couldn't be updated because my i phone couldn't be found. >>>>> >>>>> I updated my i tunes yesterday to the new version. >>>>> >>>>> Oh, and it also said that all my data, etc, on my phone would be lost since my phone couldn't be restored, would I like to continue anyway(this was the first time). >>>>> >>>>> Anybody got any suggestions, or is this just i tunes silliness? >>>>> >>>>> Caitlyn >>>>> >>>>> Caitlyn Furness >>>>> caitlyn.furness at gmail.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>>> >>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>> >>>>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>>>> >>>>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>>>> . >>>>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>>> >>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>>> >>>> >>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>>> >>>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>>> . >>>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>>> >>>> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>> >>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>> >>> >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>> >>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>> . >>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > D?nal Fitzpatrick > dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie > > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From chojiro1990 at gmail.com Wed Oct 12 21:18:49 2011 From: chojiro1990 at gmail.com (Nicolai Svendsen) Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 22:18:49 +0200 Subject: voices in iOS five In-Reply-To: References: <51BA0E48-6431-4CE0-9227-8E25E7700964@gmail.com> <439A797F-2D5A-41EC-BB83-D052BE5389D4@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi! The voice changes by region, so if you are UK, you are stuck with United Kingdom Daniel, and you don't get other choices. Whichever voice is used as compact is the one you're going to have to stick with when downloading the premium voice. You can, however, switch to another region to change this, but note this also changes the date and time formatting, etc. I remember speaking with Lynne about this a few months back, and when she tried it apparently the iPhone was unable to change the setting because of the baseband. Whether this is still the case, I'm not sure, though I still can't understand why that would have to change when you switch regions. I personally have never had issues doing this. Regards, Nic On Oct 12, 2011, at 8:49 PM, Jonathan Tyrer wrote: > I read it downloads the Premium voice when your plugged into the mains > - tried that? > > JT > > On 12/10/2011, william lomas wrote: >> all I >> can get is daniel >> >> On Oct 12, 2011, at 7:19 PM, Jonathan Tyrer wrote: >> >>> Not yet, but I'm glad the premium voice is her - I hate Daniel! >>> >>> JT >>> >>> On 12/10/2011, william lomas wrote: >>>> hi has anyone gotten hq samantha here in the UK on ios five? >>>> >>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to >>>> mac-access at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum >>>> at >>>> either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>>> >>>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>>> . >>>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>>> >>>> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus >>>> and worm-free! >>>> >>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by >>>> visiting >>>> the list website at: >>>> >>>> >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to >>> mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum >>> at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>> >>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>> . >>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus >>> and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting >>> the list website at: >>> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to >> mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at >> either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus >> and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting >> the list website at: >> >> > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From david.mclean at cox.net Wed Oct 12 21:19:05 2011 From: david.mclean at cox.net (David McLean) Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 16:19:05 -0400 Subject: anybody else having problems upgrading to ios 5? In-Reply-To: <3DA303E1-9BA6-4B83-A952-EDF37AFD50E4@gmail.com> References: <3DA303E1-9BA6-4B83-A952-EDF37AFD50E4@gmail.com> Message-ID: Ahhh! I was wondering if anyone else is having problems. I keep getting iPad can't be restored, first it was an internal error then it was unknown error 3014. On Oct 12, 2011, at 3:06 PM, Caitlyn Furness wrote: > Hi, > > I just tried to upgrade to ios 5 with my i phone and had a bunch of different things happen. > > First, it told me my i phone couldn't be restroed. I shrugged this off and attempted to update again. It then told me I didn't have an internet connection and that my phone couldn't be updated because my i phone couldn't be found. > > I updated my i tunes yesterday to the new version. > > Oh, and it also said that all my data, etc, on my phone would be lost since my phone couldn't be restored, would I like to continue anyway(this was the first time). > > Anybody got any suggestions, or is this just i tunes silliness? > > Caitlyn > > Caitlyn Furness > caitlyn.furness at gmail.com > > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From ianandriggs at googlemail.com Wed Oct 12 21:21:32 2011 From: ianandriggs at googlemail.com (Ian McNamara) Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 21:21:32 +0100 Subject: iOS 5 In-Reply-To: <4E95E0B3.3090005@techno-chat.net> References: <4E95E0B3.3090005@techno-chat.net> Message-ID: <02E70244-AD26-4FD9-BFFD-D2AD7A3ACEF4@googlemail.com> yep i'm just down loading ios five as well. Ian McNamara On 12 Oct 2011, at 19:47, chris hallsworth wrote: > Downloading now as I speak. > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From rattail4 at gmail.com Wed Oct 12 21:28:49 2011 From: rattail4 at gmail.com (Mike Welty) Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 16:28:49 -0400 Subject: anybody else having problems upgrading to ios 5? In-Reply-To: References: <3DA303E1-9BA6-4B83-A952-EDF37AFD50E4@gmail.com><220E8660-901C-4363-B1B0-557E3CBE231F@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <0B791A94649B4289998428809CB01348@MQUAD> I'm getting the same error -------------------------------------------------- From: "Caitlyn Furness" Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2011 15:44 To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" Subject: Re: anybody else having problems upgrading to ios 5? > Hi James, > > Ok, I can certainly try that. I've tried a couple of times now with > varying results, but still no luck getting it installled. I do think it > successfully downloaded to my mac, though. It keeps saying my phone can't > be restored because of an internal error, which seems weird to me. > > I forgot to say I'm still running snow leopard, if that matters, but don't > think it does in this case... Let us know how Lynn makes out. The update > just became available in our area about an hour and a half ago, actually, > according to the sms my carrier sent me on my phone. > Thanks, > Cait > > Caitlyn Furness > caitlyn.furness at gmail.com > > > > On Oct 12, 2011, at 3:20 PM, James AUSTIN wrote: > >> Hi Caitlyn >> >> It is probably iTunes silliness, it could also be that Apple's servers >> are taking a hammering at the moment if I were you, I'd try ti again in >> a few hours, or perhaps just before you go to bed. The update will take a >> long time approximately an hour. I've not done this myself, yet, but Lyn >> has started to do it on hers and VoiceOver said that it would take about >> an hour. >> >> TC :) >> James >> On 12 Oct 2011, at 20:06, Caitlyn Furness wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> I just tried to upgrade to ios 5 with my i phone and had a bunch of >>> different things happen. >>> >>> First, it told me my i phone couldn't be restroed. I shrugged this off >>> and attempted to update again. It then told me I didn't have an >>> internet connection and that my phone couldn't be updated because my i >>> phone couldn't be found. >>> >>> I updated my i tunes yesterday to the new version. >>> >>> Oh, and it also said that all my data, etc, on my phone would be lost >>> since my phone couldn't be restored, would I like to continue >>> anyway(this was the first time). >>> >>> Anybody got any suggestions, or is this just i tunes silliness? >>> >>> Caitlyn >>> >>> Caitlyn Furness >>> caitlyn.furness at gmail.com >>> >>> >>> >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to >>> mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access >>> forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>> >>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>> . >>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, >>> virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by >>> visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to >> mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum >> at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus >> and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by >> visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum > at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus > and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting > the list website at: > From chojiro1990 at gmail.com Wed Oct 12 21:29:24 2011 From: chojiro1990 at gmail.com (Nicolai Svendsen) Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 22:29:24 +0200 Subject: anybody else having problems upgrading to ios 5? In-Reply-To: References: <3DA303E1-9BA6-4B83-A952-EDF37AFD50E4@gmail.com> Message-ID: <7D88F238-7534-4D45-B535-2A0C2C051292@gmail.com> Hi! I get the same thing. I get an internal error, running iTunes 10.5 official and OS X 10.7.2, iPhone 4 with iOS 4.3.5. That's certainly some detail you've got there, Apple, without help no less. Gosh. I'm thinking of trying a full restore with that particular update, but that'll have to wait. Regards, Nic On Oct 12, 2011, at 10:19 PM, David McLean wrote: > Ahhh! I was wondering if anyone else is having problems. I keep getting iPad can't be restored, first it was an internal error then it was unknown error 3014. > On Oct 12, 2011, at 3:06 PM, Caitlyn Furness wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> I just tried to upgrade to ios 5 with my i phone and had a bunch of different things happen. >> >> First, it told me my i phone couldn't be restroed. I shrugged this off and attempted to update again. It then told me I didn't have an internet connection and that my phone couldn't be updated because my i phone couldn't be found. >> >> I updated my i tunes yesterday to the new version. >> >> Oh, and it also said that all my data, etc, on my phone would be lost since my phone couldn't be restored, would I like to continue anyway(this was the first time). >> >> Anybody got any suggestions, or is this just i tunes silliness? >> >> Caitlyn >> >> Caitlyn Furness >> caitlyn.furness at gmail.com >> >> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From velocity.focus66 at virginmedia.com Wed Oct 12 21:34:31 2011 From: velocity.focus66 at virginmedia.com (Red.Falcon) Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 21:34:31 +0100 Subject: anybody else having problems upgrading to ios 5? In-Reply-To: <7D88F238-7534-4D45-B535-2A0C2C051292@gmail.com> References: <3DA303E1-9BA6-4B83-A952-EDF37AFD50E4@gmail.com> <7D88F238-7534-4D45-B535-2A0C2C051292@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi all! I to have a so called internal error for mine! Just about to try again! Colin On 12 Oct 2011, at 21:29, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: > Hi! > > I get the same thing. I get an internal error, running iTunes 10.5 official and OS X 10.7.2, iPhone 4 with iOS 4.3.5. > > That's certainly some detail you've got there, Apple, without help no less. Gosh. I'm thinking of trying a full restore with that particular update, but that'll have to wait. > > Regards, > Nic > On Oct 12, 2011, at 10:19 PM, David McLean wrote: > >> Ahhh! I was wondering if anyone else is having problems. I keep getting iPad can't be restored, first it was an internal error then it was unknown error 3014. >> On Oct 12, 2011, at 3:06 PM, Caitlyn Furness wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> I just tried to upgrade to ios 5 with my i phone and had a bunch of different things happen. >>> >>> First, it told me my i phone couldn't be restroed. I shrugged this off and attempted to update again. It then told me I didn't have an internet connection and that my phone couldn't be updated because my i phone couldn't be found. >>> >>> I updated my i tunes yesterday to the new version. >>> >>> Oh, and it also said that all my data, etc, on my phone would be lost since my phone couldn't be restored, would I like to continue anyway(this was the first time). >>> >>> Anybody got any suggestions, or is this just i tunes silliness? >>> >>> Caitlyn >>> >>> Caitlyn Furness >>> caitlyn.furness at gmail.com >>> >>> >>> >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>> >>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>> . >>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From lynne at mac-access.net Wed Oct 12 21:37:21 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 21:37:21 +0100 Subject: How to switch categories Message-ID: <73F83AF5-5042-40C9-855B-2B6F79CB81D2@mac-access.net> hello everybody One thing that does puzzled me a little bit. When you first power up your iOS5 device and click on Music, how do you quickly get to the "More" tab using VoiceOver? If you have a lot of audio and video material there as we do, the tabs seem to disappear off the display. By the way, iCloud is magic! I love it! I really like the idea of being able to sync the devices over wifi. Lynne From lynne at mac-access.net Wed Oct 12 21:40:43 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 21:40:43 +0100 Subject: voices in iOS five In-Reply-To: References: <51BA0E48-6431-4CE0-9227-8E25E7700964@gmail.com> <439A797F-2D5A-41EC-BB83-D052BE5389D4@gmail.com> Message-ID: <34607BB8-2043-4547-8F84-1F9B292E19A7@mac-access.net> Hello Nic Yes, this is still the case. Change regions and you get kayos here. Everything goes absolutely mental and our carrier signal goes AWOL. Lynne On 12 Oct 2011, at 21:18, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: I remember speaking with Lynne about this a few months back, and when she tried it apparently the iPhone was unable to change the setting because of the baseband. Whether this is still the case, I'm not sure, though I still can't understand why that would have to change when you switch regions. I personally have never had issues doing this. From chris.hallsworth at techno-chat.net Wed Oct 12 21:43:53 2011 From: chris.hallsworth at techno-chat.net (chris hallsworth) Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 21:43:53 +0100 Subject: iOS 5 Message-ID: <4E95FC09.30008@techno-chat.net> I have quit the download since I need to go to bed shortly for an early start tomorrow. I will resume when I am home. Ar well. From moriond at mac.com Wed Oct 12 21:48:29 2011 From: moriond at mac.com (Esther) Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 10:48:29 -1000 Subject: anybody else having problems upgrading to ios 5? In-Reply-To: References: <3DA303E1-9BA6-4B83-A952-EDF37AFD50E4@gmail.com> <7D88F238-7534-4D45-B535-2A0C2C051292@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi All, Just thought I would comment that some of these messages seem to be coming up due to the fact that your servers are getting hammered. Someone on another list (from Canada) reported retrying the upgrade a few times (without changing settings, although he did move the iPhone connection to another USB port at one point, as well as detach other connected devices), and basically have it go through. It sounds as though the download times and activity on the UK server are much higher than in the U.S. and Canada. However, some people with issues and reports of "internal error" and "Error 3200" had these messages go away and ultimately succeeded with the upgrade. So the problems may be due to the very heavy server load rather than real configuration errors. And incidentally, Error 3200 is a server error. Sending this again, since the first time I replied, I evidently replied to the poster rather than the list. HTH. Cheers, Esther On Oct 12, 2011, at 10:34, Red.Falcon wrote: > Hi all! > I to have a so called internal error for mine! > Just about to try again! > Colin > > On 12 Oct 2011, at 21:29, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: > >> Hi! >> >> I get the same thing. I get an internal error, running iTunes 10.5 official and OS X 10.7.2, iPhone 4 with iOS 4.3.5. >> >> That's certainly some detail you've got there, Apple, without help no less. Gosh. I'm thinking of trying a full restore with that particular update, but that'll have to wait. >> >> Regards, >> Nic >> On Oct 12, 2011, at 10:19 PM, David McLean wrote: >> >>> Ahhh! I was wondering if anyone else is having problems. I keep getting iPad can't be restored, first it was an internal error then it was unknown error 3014. >>> On Oct 12, 2011, at 3:06 PM, Caitlyn Furness wrote: >>> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> I just tried to upgrade to ios 5 with my i phone and had a bunch of different things happen. >>>> >>>> First, it told me my i phone couldn't be restroed. I shrugged this off and attempted to update again. It then told me I didn't have an internet connection and that my phone couldn't be updated because my i phone couldn't be found. >>>> >>>> I updated my i tunes yesterday to the new version. >>>> >>>> Oh, and it also said that all my data, etc, on my phone would be lost since my phone couldn't be restored, would I like to continue anyway(this was the first time). >>>> >>>> Anybody got any suggestions, or is this just i tunes silliness? >>>> >>>> Caitlyn >>>> >>>> Caitlyn Furness >>>> caitlyn.furness at gmail.com >>>> >>>> From lynne at mac-access.net Wed Oct 12 21:44:57 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 21:44:57 +0100 Subject: iOS5 Message-ID: Hello everybody I don't see that there is any cause for secrecy any longer, it's all in the public domain now. So let me just say that I think iCloud is fabulous! We signed up to a full account in August, and we've been able to sync/backup to/from it over wifi ever since. We use iCloud all the time now to sync our devices and honestly it puts mobileMe to shame. The only thing about MobileMe that is good for us is file sharing; but we have other solutions for that purpose now, which we provide ourselves so that isn't an issue either. The voice issue in iOS5 is something that we're not happy about. Daniel sounds horrible. It seems that we're stuck with it and, if we change regions, all hell breaks loose. Lynne From grtdane at internode.on.net Wed Oct 12 21:47:32 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 07:47:32 +1100 Subject: Sandvox Now Available on the Mac App Store Message-ID: <00727DD2-077B-4740-BDF4-2BA958DE2B32@internode.on.net> Subject line says everything that needs to be said. From lynne at mac-access.net Wed Oct 12 21:48:43 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 21:48:43 +0100 Subject: Sandvox Now Available on the Mac App Store In-Reply-To: <00727DD2-077B-4740-BDF4-2BA958DE2B32@internode.on.net> References: <00727DD2-077B-4740-BDF4-2BA958DE2B32@internode.on.net> Message-ID: <5E5D651F-1D5B-424F-B602-098618DCFD1D@mac-access.net> Sandvox is not accessible when you're building web content. Lynne On 12 Oct 2011, at 21:47, Dane Trethowan wrote: Subject line says everything that needs to be said. <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: or at the public Mail Archive: . Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From zkline at speedpost.net Wed Oct 12 21:49:10 2011 From: zkline at speedpost.net (Zachary Kline) Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 13:49:10 -0700 Subject: How to switch categories In-Reply-To: <73F83AF5-5042-40C9-855B-2B6F79CB81D2@mac-access.net> References: <73F83AF5-5042-40C9-855B-2B6F79CB81D2@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <9FD23823-CAA8-4636-A55A-E44FAF154FF1@speedpost.net> Dear Lynn, I have never had the categories vanish off my display, they're just very close to the bottom. Try tapping the extreme bottom right corner. Best, Zack. On Oct 12, 2011, at 1:37 PM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > hello everybody > > One thing that does puzzled me a little bit. When you first power up your iOS5 device and click on Music, how do you quickly get to the "More" tab using VoiceOver? If you have a lot of audio and video material there as we do, the tabs seem to disappear off the display. > > By the way, iCloud is magic! I love it! I really like the idea of being able to sync the devices over wifi. > > Lynne > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From grtdane at internode.on.net Wed Oct 12 21:49:57 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 07:49:57 +1100 Subject: Sandvox Now Available on the Mac App Store In-Reply-To: <5E5D651F-1D5B-424F-B602-098618DCFD1D@mac-access.net> References: <00727DD2-077B-4740-BDF4-2BA958DE2B32@internode.on.net> <5E5D651F-1D5B-424F-B602-098618DCFD1D@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <9D8DFFBB-C2B6-410B-B1A3-6AC777C34867@internode.on.net> Ah okay, if you say so . On 13/10/2011, at 7:48 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Sandvox is not accessible when you're building web content. > > Lynne > > On 12 Oct 2011, at 21:47, Dane Trethowan wrote: > > Subject line says everything that needs to be said. > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From lynne at mac-access.net Wed Oct 12 21:53:58 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 21:53:58 +0100 Subject: How to switch categories In-Reply-To: <9FD23823-CAA8-4636-A55A-E44FAF154FF1@speedpost.net> References: <73F83AF5-5042-40C9-855B-2B6F79CB81D2@mac-access.net> <9FD23823-CAA8-4636-A55A-E44FAF154FF1@speedpost.net> Message-ID: <3D074400-0139-478F-BDA7-B51660A0726E@mac-access.net> Hello Zack Remember that we've been using iOS5 for quite a few months. But now that you've upgraded, don't you get the Albums, Artists, Playlists, Podcasts, and More, tabs? Lynne On 12 Oct 2011, at 21:49, Zachary Kline wrote: Dear Lynn, I have never had the categories vanish off my display, they're just very close to the bottom. Try tapping the extreme bottom right corner. From lynne at mac-access.net Wed Oct 12 21:54:41 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 21:54:41 +0100 Subject: Sandvox Now Available on the Mac App Store In-Reply-To: <9D8DFFBB-C2B6-410B-B1A3-6AC777C34867@internode.on.net> References: <00727DD2-077B-4740-BDF4-2BA958DE2B32@internode.on.net> <5E5D651F-1D5B-424F-B602-098618DCFD1D@mac-access.net> <9D8DFFBB-C2B6-410B-B1A3-6AC777C34867@internode.on.net> Message-ID: <56E5325B-B2D3-428D-B9CA-DD0B88651EE8@mac-access.net> If you don't believe me, try it! On 12 Oct 2011, at 21:49, Dane Trethowan wrote: Ah okay, if you say so . From grtdane at internode.on.net Wed Oct 12 21:55:00 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 07:55:00 +1100 Subject: anybody else having problems upgrading to ios 5? In-Reply-To: References: <3DA303E1-9BA6-4B83-A952-EDF37AFD50E4@gmail.com> <7D88F238-7534-4D45-B535-2A0C2C051292@gmail.com> Message-ID: Makes perfect sense , I'm at a loss to understand why everyone wants the update in a hurry, I mean its going to be available tomorrow, next weeek, next fortnight and so on . On 13/10/2011, at 7:48 AM, Esther wrote: > Hi All, > > Just thought I would comment that some of these messages seem to be coming up due to the fact that your servers are getting hammered. Someone on another list (from Canada) reported retrying the upgrade a few times (without changing settings, although he did move the iPhone connection to another USB port at one point, as well as detach other connected devices), and basically have it go through. > > It sounds as though the download times and activity on the UK server are much higher than in the U.S. and Canada. However, some people with issues and reports of "internal error" and "Error 3200" had these messages go away and ultimately succeeded with the upgrade. So the problems may be due to the very heavy server load rather than real configuration errors. And incidentally, Error 3200 is a server error. > > Sending this again, since the first time I replied, I evidently replied to the poster rather than the list. > > HTH. Cheers, > > Esther > > On Oct 12, 2011, at 10:34, Red.Falcon wrote: > >> Hi all! >> I to have a so called internal error for mine! >> Just about to try again! >> Colin >> >> On 12 Oct 2011, at 21:29, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: >> >>> Hi! >>> >>> I get the same thing. I get an internal error, running iTunes 10.5 official and OS X 10.7.2, iPhone 4 with iOS 4.3.5. >>> >>> That's certainly some detail you've got there, Apple, without help no less. Gosh. I'm thinking of trying a full restore with that particular update, but that'll have to wait. >>> >>> Regards, >>> Nic >>> On Oct 12, 2011, at 10:19 PM, David McLean wrote: >>> >>>> Ahhh! I was wondering if anyone else is having problems. I keep getting iPad can't be restored, first it was an internal error then it was unknown error 3014. >>>> On Oct 12, 2011, at 3:06 PM, Caitlyn Furness wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi, >>>>> >>>>> I just tried to upgrade to ios 5 with my i phone and had a bunch of different things happen. >>>>> >>>>> First, it told me my i phone couldn't be restroed. I shrugged this off and attempted to update again. It then told me I didn't have an internet connection and that my phone couldn't be updated because my i phone couldn't be found. >>>>> >>>>> I updated my i tunes yesterday to the new version. >>>>> >>>>> Oh, and it also said that all my data, etc, on my phone would be lost since my phone couldn't be restored, would I like to continue anyway(this was the first time). >>>>> >>>>> Anybody got any suggestions, or is this just i tunes silliness? >>>>> >>>>> Caitlyn >>>>> >>>>> Caitlyn Furness >>>>> caitlyn.furness at gmail.com >>>>> >>>>> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From grtdane at internode.on.net Wed Oct 12 21:55:39 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 07:55:39 +1100 Subject: Sandvox Now Available on the Mac App Store In-Reply-To: <56E5325B-B2D3-428D-B9CA-DD0B88651EE8@mac-access.net> References: <00727DD2-077B-4740-BDF4-2BA958DE2B32@internode.on.net> <5E5D651F-1D5B-424F-B602-098618DCFD1D@mac-access.net> <9D8DFFBB-C2B6-410B-B1A3-6AC777C34867@internode.on.net> <56E5325B-B2D3-428D-B9CA-DD0B88651EE8@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <88B03623-30F5-4E58-89B2-75077C14236E@internode.on.net> Indeed I have, that's why I bought the product . On 13/10/2011, at 7:54 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > If you don't believe me, try it! > > On 12 Oct 2011, at 21:49, Dane Trethowan wrote: > > Ah okay, if you say so . > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From zkline at speedpost.net Wed Oct 12 21:56:41 2011 From: zkline at speedpost.net (Zachary Kline) Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 13:56:41 -0700 Subject: How to switch categories In-Reply-To: <3D074400-0139-478F-BDA7-B51660A0726E@mac-access.net> References: <73F83AF5-5042-40C9-855B-2B6F79CB81D2@mac-access.net> <9FD23823-CAA8-4636-A55A-E44FAF154FF1@speedpost.net> <3D074400-0139-478F-BDA7-B51660A0726E@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <1DDA32B5-80A0-4DE3-8AFC-F5370BEBB701@speedpost.net> Dear Lynn, I, too, have been using iOS 5 for a few months, and yes, I do see those tabs. They seem to work properly for me, and have since the first beta. Best, Zack. On Oct 12, 2011, at 1:53 PM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hello Zack > > Remember that we've been using iOS5 for quite a few months. But now that you've upgraded, don't you get the Albums, Artists, Playlists, Podcasts, and More, tabs? > > Lynne > > On 12 Oct 2011, at 21:49, Zachary Kline wrote: > > Dear Lynn, > I have never had the categories vanish off my display, they're just very close to the bottom. Try tapping the extreme bottom right corner. > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From lynne at mac-access.net Wed Oct 12 22:00:09 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 22:00:09 +0100 Subject: Sandvox Now Available on the Mac App Store In-Reply-To: <88B03623-30F5-4E58-89B2-75077C14236E@internode.on.net> References: <00727DD2-077B-4740-BDF4-2BA958DE2B32@internode.on.net> <5E5D651F-1D5B-424F-B602-098618DCFD1D@mac-access.net> <9D8DFFBB-C2B6-410B-B1A3-6AC777C34867@internode.on.net> <56E5325B-B2D3-428D-B9CA-DD0B88651EE8@mac-access.net> <88B03623-30F5-4E58-89B2-75077C14236E@internode.on.net> Message-ID: <88EC1972-24C5-417F-89A6-43953C097A40@mac-access.net> Hello Dane OK, if you can prove me wrong, instead of just smearing at people why not get off your ass and show us how! :) Clearly you're a superior being so why not give us mere mortals a few lessons? :d Lynne On 12 Oct 2011, at 21:55, Dane Trethowan wrote: Indeed I have, that's why I bought the product . On 13/10/2011, at 7:54 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > If you don't believe me, try it! > > On 12 Oct 2011, at 21:49, Dane Trethowan wrote: > > Ah okay, if you say so . > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: or at the public Mail Archive: . Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From lynne at mac-access.net Wed Oct 12 22:02:28 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 22:02:28 +0100 Subject: How to switch categories In-Reply-To: <1DDA32B5-80A0-4DE3-8AFC-F5370BEBB701@speedpost.net> References: <73F83AF5-5042-40C9-855B-2B6F79CB81D2@mac-access.net> <9FD23823-CAA8-4636-A55A-E44FAF154FF1@speedpost.net> <3D074400-0139-478F-BDA7-B51660A0726E@mac-access.net> <1DDA32B5-80A0-4DE3-8AFC-F5370BEBB701@speedpost.net> Message-ID: Hello Zack OK, possibly I have something configured wrongly then. Each time I try to tap on a category, the screen flashes briefly and then goes back to how it was. Actually now that you come to mention it, I seem to remember that this did work better a while ago. But hey Zack, remember beta 6? ;-) Lynne On 12 Oct 2011, at 21:56, Zachary Kline wrote: Dear Lynn, I, too, have been using iOS 5 for a few months, and yes, I do see those tabs. They seem to work properly for me, and have since the first beta. Best, Zack. On Oct 12, 2011, at 1:53 PM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hello Zack > > Remember that we've been using iOS5 for quite a few months. But now that you've upgraded, don't you get the Albums, Artists, Playlists, Podcasts, and More, tabs? > > Lynne > > On 12 Oct 2011, at 21:49, Zachary Kline wrote: > > Dear Lynn, > I have never had the categories vanish off my display, they're just very close to the bottom. Try tapping the extreme bottom right corner. > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: or at the public Mail Archive: . Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From zkline at speedpost.net Wed Oct 12 22:05:53 2011 From: zkline at speedpost.net (Zachary Kline) Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 14:05:53 -0700 Subject: How to switch categories In-Reply-To: References: <73F83AF5-5042-40C9-855B-2B6F79CB81D2@mac-access.net> <9FD23823-CAA8-4636-A55A-E44FAF154FF1@speedpost.net> <3D074400-0139-478F-BDA7-B51660A0726E@mac-access.net> <1DDA32B5-80A0-4DE3-8AFC-F5370BEBB701@speedpost.net> Message-ID: Dear Lynn, Valid point. :) I'm speaking as a pure VO user, so perhaps the experience is different for someone who doesn't use it. I can't duplicate the issues you're having, in any case, I'm sorry to say. Best, Zack. On Oct 12, 2011, at 2:02 PM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hello Zack > > OK, possibly I have something configured wrongly then. Each time I try to tap on a category, the screen flashes briefly and then goes back to how it was. > > Actually now that you come to mention it, I seem to remember that this did work better a while ago. But hey Zack, remember beta 6? ;-) > > Lynne > > On 12 Oct 2011, at 21:56, Zachary Kline wrote: > > Dear Lynn, > I, too, have been using iOS 5 for a few months, and yes, I do see those tabs. They seem to work properly for me, and have since the first beta. > Best, > Zack. > On Oct 12, 2011, at 1:53 PM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > >> Hello Zack >> >> Remember that we've been using iOS5 for quite a few months. But now that you've upgraded, don't you get the Albums, Artists, Playlists, Podcasts, and More, tabs? >> >> Lynne >> >> On 12 Oct 2011, at 21:49, Zachary Kline wrote: >> >> Dear Lynn, >> I have never had the categories vanish off my display, they're just very close to the bottom. Try tapping the extreme bottom right corner. >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From lynne at mac-access.net Wed Oct 12 22:37:57 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 22:37:57 +0100 Subject: How to switch categories In-Reply-To: References: <73F83AF5-5042-40C9-855B-2B6F79CB81D2@mac-access.net> <9FD23823-CAA8-4636-A55A-E44FAF154FF1@speedpost.net> <3D074400-0139-478F-BDA7-B51660A0726E@mac-access.net> <1DDA32B5-80A0-4DE3-8AFC-F5370BEBB701@speedpost.net> Message-ID: <56D7AA4D-AFE4-415B-A10D-19B7FC858BB3@mac-access.net> Hello Zack I'm going to turn on VO now and give this a try. Usually my iPhone doesn't have VO enabled and as you know the gestures are very different. So, if I can figure out how to use VO; (it seems I don't know how to use it because he who shall not be doubted has said so), I'll see if my obviously limited intelligence will let me figure out what is different. I'll get back to you Zack and let you know what I found. Lynne On 12 Oct 2011, at 22:05, Zachary Kline wrote: Dear Lynn, Valid point. :) I'm speaking as a pure VO user, so perhaps the experience is different for someone who doesn't use it. I can't duplicate the issues you're having, in any case, I'm sorry to say. Best, Zack. On Oct 12, 2011, at 2:02 PM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hello Zack > > OK, possibly I have something configured wrongly then. Each time I try to tap on a category, the screen flashes briefly and then goes back to how it was. > > Actually now that you come to mention it, I seem to remember that this did work better a while ago. But hey Zack, remember beta 6? ;-) > > Lynne > > On 12 Oct 2011, at 21:56, Zachary Kline wrote: > > Dear Lynn, > I, too, have been using iOS 5 for a few months, and yes, I do see those tabs. They seem to work properly for me, and have since the first beta. > Best, > Zack. > On Oct 12, 2011, at 1:53 PM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > >> Hello Zack >> >> Remember that we've been using iOS5 for quite a few months. But now that you've upgraded, don't you get the Albums, Artists, Playlists, Podcasts, and More, tabs? >> >> Lynne >> >> On 12 Oct 2011, at 21:49, Zachary Kline wrote: >> >> Dear Lynn, >> I have never had the categories vanish off my display, they're just very close to the bottom. Try tapping the extreme bottom right corner. >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: or at the public Mail Archive: . Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie Wed Oct 12 22:30:53 2011 From: dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie (=?iso-8859-1?Q?D=F3nal_Fitzpatrick?=) Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 22:30:53 +0100 Subject: for those updating to IOS 5 Message-ID: THis might be of use. Persevere with the updates, or wait. However, the following might help: http://support.apple.com/kb/TS3694 That's a list of the iTunes error codes and what they mean. I just restarted the machine, moved to a different USB and tried again. WOrked. D?nal D?nal Fitzpatrick dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie From lynne at mac-access.net Wed Oct 12 23:08:07 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 23:08:07 +0100 Subject: Another suggestion from somebody Innept Message-ID: Hello everybody If you're upgrading to iOS5 I would suggest that you upgrade iTunes first on your Mac. Lynne From velocity.focus66 at virginmedia.com Wed Oct 12 23:46:33 2011 From: velocity.focus66 at virginmedia.com (Red.Falcon) Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 23:46:33 +0100 Subject: I killed my Iphone! Message-ID: <2CC716AB-E470-49FC-9073-0AC140A9B672@virginmedia.com> Well folks! I've managed to some how really muck up doing the update! The Iphone had the same problems as others I went through the restore method and now the Iphone is dead it will not switch on and when I plug it into Itunes it does not appear! So I've got to take a trip to my apple store tomorrow [Oh well thats life!] Unless one of you know different! All the best! Colin Qapla! Chegh chew jaj Vam jaj Kak From dlng321.mobile at gmail.com Wed Oct 12 23:53:54 2011 From: dlng321.mobile at gmail.com (Danny Leung) Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 18:53:54 -0400 Subject: I killed my Iphone! In-Reply-To: <2CC716AB-E470-49FC-9073-0AC140A9B672@virginmedia.com> References: <2CC716AB-E470-49FC-9073-0AC140A9B672@virginmedia.com> Message-ID: <4AECCB80B4F84F4681E4BC50BDBCA76C@HP> Colin, Have you tried to reboot your computer and then connect your phone again? My phone died and did not respond to any reset during the upgrade. I even shown it to a sighted people, he told me that the phone was powering up when pressing home and power keys, Iphone logo appeared, then the screen went black. I thought I may have to make a trip to the Apple store. But thing went OK after I rebooted my computer and repeat the update process again. I am not sure if rebooting the machine help you. Danny From velocity.focus66 at virginmedia.com Thu Oct 13 00:02:48 2011 From: velocity.focus66 at virginmedia.com (Red.Falcon) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 00:02:48 +0100 Subject: I killed my Iphone! In-Reply-To: <4AECCB80B4F84F4681E4BC50BDBCA76C@HP> References: <2CC716AB-E470-49FC-9073-0AC140A9B672@virginmedia.com> <4AECCB80B4F84F4681E4BC50BDBCA76C@HP> Message-ID: Hi Danny! Yes I tried that I even rebooted the modem! And the batterie was at 100% as I started! Colin On 12 Oct 2011, at 23:53, Danny Leung wrote: > Colin, > > Have you tried to reboot your computer and then connect your phone again? > > My phone died and did not respond to any reset during the upgrade. I even > shown it to a sighted people, he told me that the phone was powering up when > pressing home and power keys, Iphone logo appeared, then the screen went > black. I thought I may have to make a trip to the Apple store. But thing > went OK after I rebooted my computer and repeat the update process again. > > I am not sure if rebooting the machine help you. > > Danny > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From dlng321.mobile at gmail.com Thu Oct 13 00:24:55 2011 From: dlng321.mobile at gmail.com (Danny Leung) Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 19:24:55 -0400 Subject: I killed my Iphone! In-Reply-To: References: <2CC716AB-E470-49FC-9073-0AC140A9B672@virginmedia.com><4AECCB80B4F84F4681E4BC50BDBCA76C@HP> Message-ID: <9672223BD47942ADBEFBE56CC76434BD@HP> Colin, It seem like your phone's problem is more serious than my. Hopefully you will have better experience with Apple store. I wish you all the best. Danny -----Original Message----- From: mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net [mailto:mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Red.Falcon Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2011 7:03 PM To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility Subject: Re: I killed my Iphone! Hi Danny! Yes I tried that I even rebooted the modem! And the batterie was at 100% as I started! Colin On 12 Oct 2011, at 23:53, Danny Leung wrote: > Colin, > > Have you tried to reboot your computer and then connect your phone again? > > My phone died and did not respond to any reset during the upgrade. I > even shown it to a sighted people, he told me that the phone was > powering up when pressing home and power keys, Iphone logo appeared, > then the screen went black. I thought I may have to make a trip to the > Apple store. But thing went OK after I rebooted my computer and repeat the update process again. > > I am not sure if rebooting the machine help you. > > Danny > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: or at the public Mail Archive: . Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From jonathan.tyrer at gmail.com Thu Oct 13 00:51:21 2011 From: jonathan.tyrer at gmail.com (Jonathan Tyrer) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 00:51:21 +0100 Subject: voices in iOS five In-Reply-To: <34607BB8-2043-4547-8F84-1F9B292E19A7@mac-access.net> References: <51BA0E48-6431-4CE0-9227-8E25E7700964@gmail.com> <439A797F-2D5A-41EC-BB83-D052BE5389D4@gmail.com> <34607BB8-2043-4547-8F84-1F9B292E19A7@mac-access.net> Message-ID: Why not try ading US English or whatever to the language rotor and changeing it that way? I think that if you do that, there's no need to mess around with the regional settings - mine switches happily between British and US English voices on IOS 5. Best wishes. Jonathan On 12/10/2011, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hello Nic > > Yes, this is still the case. Change regions and you get kayos here. > Everything goes absolutely mental and our carrier signal goes AWOL. > > Lynne > > On 12 Oct 2011, at 21:18, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: > > I remember speaking with Lynne about this a few months back, and when she > tried it apparently the iPhone was unable to change the setting because of > the baseband. Whether this is still the case, I'm not sure, though I still > can't understand why that would have to change when you switch regions. I > personally have never had issues doing this. > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at > either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus > and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting > the list website at: > > From geoff.waaler at gmail.com Thu Oct 13 01:37:41 2011 From: geoff.waaler at gmail.com (Geoff Waaler) Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 20:37:41 -0400 Subject: IOS5 kills Apple tv. Message-ID: Greetings all, I have an Apple tv connected to my stereo via toslink. This afternoon I attempted to install the IOS5 update by going into settings -> general -> check for updates. The first time it appeared to hang on the update button, but when I selected it again, got a dialog asking whether I was sure I wanted to quit. So I let it go for a while and then heard Samantha from the other room. I came back in and found an okay button but could not ascertain what the message was (presumably the ubiquitous 3200 error). I again checked for updates and selected update. I let it go for hours but now my stereo only emits an unusual amount of static when Apple tv is active. Since it had been several hours I power cycled the apple tv but that had no affect -- I waited about two minutes but only heard the extra static. Also pressing buttons on the remote causes static. The device does appear to be on my network because its visible to Airfoil, and transmitting to Apple tv results in additional static. I double checked the cabling, though none of the hardware had been touched until I power cycled. I considered connecting via Ethernet, but decided that couldn't be a factor since the device is visible to the network. I checked Google but found nothing of interest. If noone here can offer a suggestion I suppose its time to call Apple? TIA for any/all ideas and best regards. Geoff From juanitatighan at gmail.com Thu Oct 13 01:59:17 2011 From: juanitatighan at gmail.com (Jane) Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 20:59:17 -0400 Subject: for those updating to IOS 5 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <71E4D41A-BCFF-4540-A102-8B0EF9776A9E@gmail.com> Just how crucial is it for me to change my Apple ID? It just isn't working for some reason. My Apple ID is not an email, just a user name. When I updated the software after the first attempt to update the iPad, the Mac restarted and System Prefs opened up with the iCloud pane open, and it kept insisting I had to change my Apple ID to an email. The silly site wont load, so I can't do that. Will the update for iOS5 still take? Jane On Oct 12, 2011, at 5:30 PM, D?nal Fitzpatrick wrote: > THis might be of use. Persevere with the updates, or wait. However, the following might help: > > http://support.apple.com/kb/TS3694 > > That's a list of the iTunes error codes and what they mean. > > I just restarted the machine, moved to a different USB and tried again. WOrked. > > D?nal > D?nal Fitzpatrick > dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie > > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From david.mclean at cox.net Thu Oct 13 02:42:19 2011 From: david.mclean at cox.net (David McLean) Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 21:42:19 -0400 Subject: for those updating to IOS 5 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Finally got my iPad to update so keep trying folks! On Oct 12, 2011, at 5:30 PM, D?nal Fitzpatrick wrote: > THis might be of use. Persevere with the updates, or wait. However, the following might help: > > http://support.apple.com/kb/TS3694 > > That's a list of the iTunes error codes and what they mean. > > I just restarted the machine, moved to a different USB and tried again. WOrked. > > D?nal > D?nal Fitzpatrick > dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie > > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From moopiecurran at gmail.com Thu Oct 13 03:19:55 2011 From: moopiecurran at gmail.com (Courtney Curran) Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 22:19:55 -0400 Subject: Itunes wifi sync Message-ID: Hi, I can't get iTunes wifi sync to work. My iPad 2 is plugged into a power strip with the provided wall charger, and my mac and iPad are both connected to wifi. iTunes is open on my mac. What am I doing wrong? Thanks, Courtney From zkline at speedpost.net Thu Oct 13 03:40:00 2011 From: zkline at speedpost.net (Zachary Kline) Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 19:40:00 -0700 Subject: Itunes wifi sync In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <30997D37-35A5-4483-B9A8-26CFDB989DAC@speedpost.net> Hi Courtney, Forgive the obvious question, but have you enabled WiFI sync in iTunes? It's a setting in the iPod's summary tab. Best, Zack. On Oct 12, 2011, at 7:19 PM, Courtney Curran wrote: > Hi, > I can't get iTunes wifi sync to work. My iPad 2 is plugged into a power strip with the provided wall charger, and my mac and iPad are both connected to wifi. iTunes is open on my mac. What am I doing wrong? > Thanks, > Courtney > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From marrie12 at gmail.com Thu Oct 13 03:44:08 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 19:44:08 -0700 Subject: iOS 5 Newsstand Magazines/Newspapers are *NOT* VoiceOver Accessible In-Reply-To: <5ABFB818-32FC-4C78-B043-49607724BEC8@gmail.com> References: <7C1B0A7E-FDF5-46DF-819B-BEFB00BD8FE7@gmail.com> <5ABFB818-32FC-4C78-B043-49607724BEC8@gmail.com> Message-ID: <6D623D0E-E207-4F19-B7AF-F7D23B2B0B81@gmail.com> Acutlaly someone figuted it out. Here's what htey told me along with a link. I did not read the tip as I don't feel the earge to purchace mags righ tnow. I figured it out; newsstand in iOS5 is accessible. http://bit.ly/oXq6ww thanks to the person who posted to me over twitter so quickly. Ok 8 hours but yeah. Take care all. On Oct 12, 2011, at 10:53 AM, william lomas wrote: > that's ashame was hoping it work in the UK > > On Oct 12, 2011, at 3:24 PM, Kevin Chao wrote: > >> I've downloaded, installed, and purchased iOS 5 Newsstand issues from: Wired, GQ Magazine, Popular Science, Golf Digest, and Glamour. This resulted in over $20 and 1.25 GB in issues. >> >> Unfortunately, all of these issues are inaccessible/unusable with VoiceOver. The issues will read as one of two ways: >> * button, button, button, button, button, button. >> * Nothing at all, but will make ding/border sound. >> >> It's very sad, awful, and horrible that these 5 iOS 5 Newsstand apps allow one to purchase/subscribe to issues, see all the details, but not actually read the issues with VoiceOver that one paid for. Please, I hope that users will contact, educate, advocate for, and push for accessibility of these and all Newsstand apps by reaching out to developers. Newsstand is quite a big feature in iOS 5, had the potential to revolutionize magazine and newspaper access for print-disabled, but is inaccessible/unusable in its current form. >> >> Kevin >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From ianandriggs at googlemail.com Thu Oct 13 03:54:22 2011 From: ianandriggs at googlemail.com (Ian McNamara) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 03:54:22 +0100 Subject: ios 5. Message-ID: <45DC3C8D-B77F-41BF-B936-C8408B6EBB4A@googlemail.com> Hi all i've just got i o s five but i'm having problems with activating i message every time i try i am signing in with my apple i d ianandriggs and it keeps saying that it is having an error verefying it. wondered if any one could help. thanks Ian McNamara From zkline at speedpost.net Thu Oct 13 04:09:01 2011 From: zkline at speedpost.net (Zachary Kline) Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 20:09:01 -0700 Subject: Itunes wifi sync In-Reply-To: <30997D37-35A5-4483-B9A8-26CFDB989DAC@speedpost.net> References: <30997D37-35A5-4483-B9A8-26CFDB989DAC@speedpost.net> Message-ID: Hi, Sorry for the double post, but I forgot to mention that after you check the wifi sync option in the summary tab, you have to go over to the capacity bar and hit "Apply." Best, Zack. On Oct 12, 2011, at 7:40 PM, Zachary Kline wrote: > Hi Courtney, > Forgive the obvious question, but have you enabled WiFI sync in iTunes? It's a setting in the iPod's summary tab. > Best, > Zack. > On Oct 12, 2011, at 7:19 PM, Courtney Curran wrote: > >> Hi, >> I can't get iTunes wifi sync to work. My iPad 2 is plugged into a power strip with the provided wall charger, and my mac and iPad are both connected to wifi. iTunes is open on my mac. What am I doing wrong? >> Thanks, >> Courtney >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From moopiecurran at gmail.com Thu Oct 13 04:11:33 2011 From: moopiecurran at gmail.com (Courtney Curran) Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 23:11:33 -0400 Subject: Itunes wifi sync In-Reply-To: <30997D37-35A5-4483-B9A8-26CFDB989DAC@speedpost.net> References: <30997D37-35A5-4483-B9A8-26CFDB989DAC@speedpost.net> Message-ID: Hi, That option wasn't checked, but I did check it, and it works now. Why does the iPad need to be plugged into power to be synced? Courtney On Oct 12, 2011, at 10:40 PM, Zachary Kline wrote: > Hi Courtney, > Forgive the obvious question, but have you enabled WiFI sync in iTunes? It's a setting in the iPod's summary tab. > Best, > Zack. > On Oct 12, 2011, at 7:19 PM, Courtney Curran wrote: > >> Hi, >> I can't get iTunes wifi sync to work. My iPad 2 is plugged into a power strip with the provided wall charger, and my mac and iPad are both connected to wifi. iTunes is open on my mac. What am I doing wrong? >> Thanks, >> Courtney >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From zkline at speedpost.net Thu Oct 13 04:13:37 2011 From: zkline at speedpost.net (Zachary Kline) Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 20:13:37 -0700 Subject: Itunes wifi sync In-Reply-To: References: <30997D37-35A5-4483-B9A8-26CFDB989DAC@speedpost.net> Message-ID: Hi Courtney, I imagine it has to do with preventing the drain on battery that an intensive activity like syncing would cause. Don't quote me on that though, I've no real idea. Best, Zack. On Oct 12, 2011, at 8:11 PM, Courtney Curran wrote: > Hi, > That option wasn't checked, but I did check it, and it works now. Why does the iPad need to be plugged into power to be synced? > Courtney > > On Oct 12, 2011, at 10:40 PM, Zachary Kline wrote: > >> Hi Courtney, >> Forgive the obvious question, but have you enabled WiFI sync in iTunes? It's a setting in the iPod's summary tab. >> Best, >> Zack. >> On Oct 12, 2011, at 7:19 PM, Courtney Curran wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> I can't get iTunes wifi sync to work. My iPad 2 is plugged into a power strip with the provided wall charger, and my mac and iPad are both connected to wifi. iTunes is open on my mac. What am I doing wrong? >>> Thanks, >>> Courtney >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>> >>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>> . >>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From moopiecurran at gmail.com Thu Oct 13 04:31:35 2011 From: moopiecurran at gmail.com (Courtney Curran) Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 23:31:35 -0400 Subject: Itunes wifi sync In-Reply-To: References: <30997D37-35A5-4483-B9A8-26CFDB989DAC@speedpost.net> Message-ID: <1DDCD617-33F0-4D8B-9F8C-A7FE65E37CD1@gmail.com> Hi, That's what I would've thought, but there's still a sync button when my device is unplugged. So I'm not sure, I would think it would be dimmed if the iPad weren't plugged into power. On Oct 12, 2011, at 11:13 PM, Zachary Kline wrote: > Hi Courtney, > I imagine it has to do with preventing the drain on battery that an intensive activity like syncing would cause. Don't quote me on that though, I've no real idea. > Best, > Zack. > On Oct 12, 2011, at 8:11 PM, Courtney Curran wrote: > >> Hi, >> That option wasn't checked, but I did check it, and it works now. Why does the iPad need to be plugged into power to be synced? >> Courtney >> >> On Oct 12, 2011, at 10:40 PM, Zachary Kline wrote: >> >>> Hi Courtney, >>> Forgive the obvious question, but have you enabled WiFI sync in iTunes? It's a setting in the iPod's summary tab. >>> Best, >>> Zack. >>> On Oct 12, 2011, at 7:19 PM, Courtney Curran wrote: >>> >>>> Hi, >>>> I can't get iTunes wifi sync to work. My iPad 2 is plugged into a power strip with the provided wall charger, and my mac and iPad are both connected to wifi. iTunes is open on my mac. What am I doing wrong? >>>> Thanks, >>>> Courtney >>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>>> >>>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>>> . >>>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>>> >>>> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>> >>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>> >>> >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>> >>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>> . >>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From marrie12 at gmail.com Thu Oct 13 05:01:46 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 21:01:46 -0700 Subject: for those updating to IOS 5 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5B3C571D-B952-4CEB-B1C1-BA66DF321783@gmail.com> Actually this is on behalf of a friend. I was helping him update and it said it would restart the phone and the message would be dismissed in 10 seconds. It's been 10 minutes now and the phone has not restarted. Should I have this person power on the phone as normal and hope it does and the restore process begins? He did not see the phone in his devices list and I did not hear the chirp sound when the usb thing is hooked up and the phone is charging. and his mac has been awake the whold time. Thanks. On Oct 12, 2011, at 6:42 PM, David McLean wrote: > Finally got my iPad to update so keep trying folks! > On Oct 12, 2011, at 5:30 PM, D?nal Fitzpatrick wrote: > >> THis might be of use. Persevere with the updates, or wait. However, the following might help: >> >> http://support.apple.com/kb/TS3694 >> >> That's a list of the iTunes error codes and what they mean. >> >> I just restarted the machine, moved to a different USB and tried again. WOrked. >> >> D?nal >> D?nal Fitzpatrick >> dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie >> >> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From juanitatighan at gmail.com Thu Oct 13 05:12:32 2011 From: juanitatighan at gmail.com (Jane) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 00:12:32 -0400 Subject: for those updating to IOS 5 In-Reply-To: <5B3C571D-B952-4CEB-B1C1-BA66DF321783@gmail.com> References: <5B3C571D-B952-4CEB-B1C1-BA66DF321783@gmail.com> Message-ID: <67EFD6E0-87DC-4F5F-9302-C804AE46DF85@gmail.com> My iPad is ... well ... I attempted to do the update twice. The first time it backed up and did not restore, but it came up talking again with iOs 4.3. The second time, it has tried to restore several times and has not come back talking. I unpluged it because this computer was getting hot. It is now plugged into a wall outlet. Suggestions for me to try in the morning welcome. Jane From zkline at speedpost.net Thu Oct 13 05:15:00 2011 From: zkline at speedpost.net (Zachary Kline) Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 21:15:00 -0700 Subject: for those updating to IOS 5 In-Reply-To: <67EFD6E0-87DC-4F5F-9302-C804AE46DF85@gmail.com> References: <5B3C571D-B952-4CEB-B1C1-BA66DF321783@gmail.com> <67EFD6E0-87DC-4F5F-9302-C804AE46DF85@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Jane, I'd suggest trying the restore again. Did you get an error message? In all likelihood Apple's servers were too busy and if you wait a while and give it another try things will work. Best, Zack. On Oct 12, 2011, at 9:12 PM, Jane wrote: > My iPad is ... well ... > > I attempted to do the update twice. The first time it backed up and did not restore, but it came up talking again with iOs 4.3. The second time, it has tried to restore several times and has not come back talking. I unpluged it because this computer was getting hot. It is now plugged into a wall outlet. Suggestions for me to try in the morning welcome. > > Jane > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From juanitatighan at gmail.com Thu Oct 13 05:16:18 2011 From: juanitatighan at gmail.com (Jane) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 00:16:18 -0400 Subject: for those updating to IOS 5 In-Reply-To: References: <5B3C571D-B952-4CEB-B1C1-BA66DF321783@gmail.com> <67EFD6E0-87DC-4F5F-9302-C804AE46DF85@gmail.com> Message-ID: It was a 1 in parentheses. Jane On Oct 13, 2011, at 12:15 AM, Zachary Kline wrote: > Hi Jane, > I'd suggest trying the restore again. Did you get an error message? In all likelihood Apple's servers were too busy and if you wait a while and give it another try things will work. > Best, > Zack. > On Oct 12, 2011, at 9:12 PM, Jane wrote: > >> My iPad is ... well ... >> >> I attempted to do the update twice. The first time it backed up and did not restore, but it came up talking again with iOs 4.3. The second time, it has tried to restore several times and has not come back talking. I unpluged it because this computer was getting hot. It is now plugged into a wall outlet. Suggestions for me to try in the morning welcome. >> >> Jane >> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From chris.hallsworth at techno-chat.net Thu Oct 13 05:25:37 2011 From: chris.hallsworth at techno-chat.net (chris hallsworth) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 05:25:37 +0100 Subject: iOS 5 Message-ID: <4E966841.70407@techno-chat.net> It is now installed on my iPod Touch. I'm quite impressed so far. Everything went well from the download, which now took 15 minutes, to the restoration of the backup. I was even able to finish setting it up because VoiceOver came on automatically. Personally Daniel is ok, not sluggish at all, etc. Thanks Apple! From weavermicha at googlemail.com Thu Oct 13 05:33:28 2011 From: weavermicha at googlemail.com (michael weaver) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 05:33:28 +0100 Subject: anybody else having problems upgrading to ios 5? Message-ID: <4e966895.8268e30a.34ab.ffff8fae@mx.google.com> i had issues with installing ios 5. i got things like internal error messages and restore problem messages so i did a couple of restore to factory defaults and for some reason it fixed the problem i was getting with backups etc and i got a problem during the restore and a button asking me if i wanted to continue and it not only installed ios 5 but also put back the things i thought i was going to lose after hitting the restore button which was a bit strange. now i have got it so far i am impressed with the new ios and as yet not had that annoying problem of my phone beeping and constantly telling me "network lost" or just quoting the time after beeping at me while locked in my pocket although whether it has been the update that resolved this or my choosing to restore my phone to factory defaults and then selecting automatic in settings for my network which found vodafone i don't know. > ----- Original Message ----- >From: James AUSTIN To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility Date sent: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 20:20:50 +0100 >Subject: Re: anybody else having problems upgrading to ios 5? >Hi Caitlyn >It is probably iTunes silliness, it could also be that Apple's servers are taking a hammering at the moment if I were you, I'd try ti again in a few hours, or perhaps just before you go to bed. The update will take a long time approximately an hour. I've not done this myself, yet, but Lyn has started to do it on hers and VoiceOver said that it would take about an hour. >TC :) >James >On 12 Oct 2011, at 20:06, Caitlyn Furness wrote: >> Hi, >> I just tried to upgrade to ios 5 with my i phone and had a bunch of different things happen. >> First, it told me my i phone couldn't be restroed. I shrugged this off and attempted to update again. It then told me I didn't have an internet connection and that my phone couldn't be updated because my i phone couldn't be found. >> I updated my i tunes yesterday to the new version. >> Oh, and it also said that all my data, etc, on my phone would be lost since my phone couldn't be restored, would I like to continue anyway(this was the first time). >> Anybody got any suggestions, or is this just i tunes silliness? >> Caitlyn >> Caitlyn Furness >> caitlyn.furness at gmail.com >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> > or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- >To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >or at the public Mail Archive: >. >Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > References: <7C1B0A7E-FDF5-46DF-819B-BEFB00BD8FE7@gmail.com> <5ABFB818-32FC-4C78-B043-49607724BEC8@gmail.com> <6D623D0E-E207-4F19-B7AF-F7D23B2B0B81@gmail.com> Message-ID: No, looking at Newsstand app, browse store, getting a magazine/newspaper, and looking at the user interface with VoiceOver does not fit into being "accessible". The podcaster did not (this was made clear due to "issues" being expensive) ) talk about ever reading an issue or demo an issue being read with VoiceOver. This is the very part that is inaccessible. Now, I've tried it on a total of 10 iPad apps, with an exception of NYTimes, which after selecting an issue crashes. All 9 of these iOS 5 Newsstand on iPad exhibit the very same issue as detailed in my original message. Voiceover sees everything as a bunch of unlabeled buttons or an empty/blank canvas. iOS 5 Newsstand is inaccessible and unusable. Kevin On 10/12/11, Sarah Alawami wrote: > Acutlaly someone figuted it out. Here's what htey told me along with a link. > I did not read the tip as I don't feel the earge to purchace mags righ tnow. > > I figured it out; newsstand in iOS5 is accessible. > > http://bit.ly/oXq6ww > > > thanks to the person who posted to me over twitter so quickly. Ok 8 hours > but yeah. > Take care all. > > > On Oct 12, 2011, at 10:53 AM, william lomas wrote: > >> that's ashame was hoping it work in the UK >> >> On Oct 12, 2011, at 3:24 PM, Kevin Chao wrote: >> >>> I've downloaded, installed, and purchased iOS 5 Newsstand issues from: >>> Wired, GQ Magazine, Popular Science, Golf Digest, and Glamour. This >>> resulted in over $20 and 1.25 GB in issues. >>> >>> Unfortunately, all of these issues are inaccessible/unusable with >>> VoiceOver. The issues will read as one of two ways: >>> * button, button, button, button, button, button. >>> * Nothing at all, but will make ding/border sound. >>> >>> It's very sad, awful, and horrible that these 5 iOS 5 Newsstand apps >>> allow one to purchase/subscribe to issues, see all the details, but not >>> actually read the issues with VoiceOver that one paid for. Please, I hope >>> that users will contact, educate, advocate for, and push for >>> accessibility of these and all Newsstand apps by reaching out to >>> developers. Newsstand is quite a big feature in iOS 5, had the potential >>> to revolutionize magazine and newspaper access for print-disabled, but is >>> inaccessible/unusable in its current form. >>> >>> Kevin >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to >>> mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum >>> at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>> >>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>> . >>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus >>> and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by >>> visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to >> mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum >> at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus >> and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting >> the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at > either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus > and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting > the list website at: > > From weavermicha at googlemail.com Thu Oct 13 06:33:43 2011 From: weavermicha at googlemail.com (michael weaver) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 06:33:43 +0100 Subject: youtube and screen layout Message-ID: <4e9676b3.8ac7e30a.7c5a.ffff99fd@mx.google.com> how do you prevent the i-phone 4 from changing from portrait to landscape in apps like youtube? whenever i play a video it has this annoying habit of going to landscape and accessing the buttons appears to be a problem. From marrie12 at gmail.com Thu Oct 13 06:37:14 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 22:37:14 -0700 Subject: youtube and screen layout In-Reply-To: <4e9676b3.8ac7e30a.7c5a.ffff99fd@mx.google.com> References: <4e9676b3.8ac7e30a.7c5a.ffff99fd@mx.google.com> Message-ID: You don't. YOu can lock the orientation to portrate but it will only go in to lanscape whe a video is played. to hide and unhide the controls tap the video image, Ok that's about how I can discribe it but that hides and unhides the play pause and done controls. Take care all. On Oct 12, 2011, at 10:33 PM, michael weaver wrote: > how do you prevent the i-phone 4 from changing from portrait to landscape in apps like youtube? > whenever i play a video it has this annoying habit of going to landscape and accessing the buttons appears to be a problem. > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From chojiro1990 at gmail.com Thu Oct 13 08:12:52 2011 From: chojiro1990 at gmail.com (Nicolai Svendsen) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 09:12:52 +0200 Subject: voices in iOS five In-Reply-To: References: <51BA0E48-6431-4CE0-9227-8E25E7700964@gmail.com> <439A797F-2D5A-41EC-BB83-D052BE5389D4@gmail.com> <34607BB8-2043-4547-8F84-1F9B292E19A7@mac-access.net> Message-ID: Hi! Did they fix it so that it knows to switch to the proper setting now? Previously, it always used to use compact when the compact setting was off. Also, you have to have the default language to the voice you wish to download. That part hasn't chained for me, so if you want to use premium voices, at least in my case compact is what you get with everything else. Regards, Nic On Oct 13, 2011, at 1:51 AM, Jonathan Tyrer wrote: > Why not try ading US English or whatever to the language rotor and > changeing it that way? I think that if you do that, there's no need > to mess around with the regional settings - mine switches happily > between British and US English voices on IOS 5. > > Best wishes. > > Jonathan > > On 12/10/2011, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: >> Hello Nic >> >> Yes, this is still the case. Change regions and you get kayos here. >> Everything goes absolutely mental and our carrier signal goes AWOL. >> >> Lynne >> >> On 12 Oct 2011, at 21:18, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: >> >> I remember speaking with Lynne about this a few months back, and when she >> tried it apparently the iPhone was unable to change the setting because of >> the baseband. Whether this is still the case, I'm not sure, though I still >> can't understand why that would have to change when you switch regions. I >> personally have never had issues doing this. >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to >> mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at >> either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus >> and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting >> the list website at: >> >> > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From chojiro1990 at gmail.com Thu Oct 13 08:14:50 2011 From: chojiro1990 at gmail.com (Nicolai Svendsen) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 09:14:50 +0200 Subject: Itunes wifi sync In-Reply-To: <1DDCD617-33F0-4D8B-9F8C-A7FE65E37CD1@gmail.com> References: <30997D37-35A5-4483-B9A8-26CFDB989DAC@speedpost.net> <1DDCD617-33F0-4D8B-9F8C-A7FE65E37CD1@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1C4EB2A7-5745-462B-9757-99696FA7F724@gmail.com> Hi! That is because Apple removed the limitation. You can now sync without being plugged in, though that might be dimmed if the device is lower on battery power. Regards, Nic On Oct 13, 2011, at 5:31 AM, Courtney Curran wrote: > Hi, > That's what I would've thought, but there's still a sync button when my device is unplugged. So I'm not sure, I would think it would be dimmed if the iPad weren't plugged into power. > On Oct 12, 2011, at 11:13 PM, Zachary Kline wrote: > >> Hi Courtney, >> I imagine it has to do with preventing the drain on battery that an intensive activity like syncing would cause. Don't quote me on that though, I've no real idea. >> Best, >> Zack. >> On Oct 12, 2011, at 8:11 PM, Courtney Curran wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> That option wasn't checked, but I did check it, and it works now. Why does the iPad need to be plugged into power to be synced? >>> Courtney >>> >>> On Oct 12, 2011, at 10:40 PM, Zachary Kline wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Courtney, >>>> Forgive the obvious question, but have you enabled WiFI sync in iTunes? It's a setting in the iPod's summary tab. >>>> Best, >>>> Zack. >>>> On Oct 12, 2011, at 7:19 PM, Courtney Curran wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi, >>>>> I can't get iTunes wifi sync to work. My iPad 2 is plugged into a power strip with the provided wall charger, and my mac and iPad are both connected to wifi. iTunes is open on my mac. What am I doing wrong? >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> Courtney >>>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>>> >>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>> >>>>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>>>> >>>>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>>>> . >>>>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>>> >>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>>> >>>> >>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>>> >>>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>>> . >>>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>>> >>>> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>> >>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>> >>> >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>> >>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>> . >>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From chojiro1990 at gmail.com Thu Oct 13 08:15:45 2011 From: chojiro1990 at gmail.com (Nicolai Svendsen) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 09:15:45 +0200 Subject: voices in iOS five In-Reply-To: References: <51BA0E48-6431-4CE0-9227-8E25E7700964@gmail.com> <439A797F-2D5A-41EC-BB83-D052BE5389D4@gmail.com> <34607BB8-2043-4547-8F84-1F9B292E19A7@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <48A831F9-66F8-48CF-8315-F1053EE7B0EB@gmail.com> Hi! Did they fix it so that it knows to switch to the proper setting now? Previously, it always used to use compact when the compact setting was off. Also, you have to have the default language to the voice you wish to download. That part hasn't chained for me, so if you want to use premium voices, at least in my case compact is what you get with everything else. Regards, Nic On Oct 13, 2011, at 1:51 AM, Jonathan Tyrer wrote: > Why not try ading US English or whatever to the language rotor and > changeing it that way? I think that if you do that, there's no need > to mess around with the regional settings - mine switches happily > between British and US English voices on IOS 5. > > Best wishes. > > Jonathan > > On 12/10/2011, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: >> Hello Nic >> >> Yes, this is still the case. Change regions and you get kayos here. >> Everything goes absolutely mental and our carrier signal goes AWOL. >> >> Lynne >> >> On 12 Oct 2011, at 21:18, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: >> >> I remember speaking with Lynne about this a few months back, and when she >> tried it apparently the iPhone was unable to change the setting because of >> the baseband. Whether this is still the case, I'm not sure, though I still >> can't understand why that would have to change when you switch regions. I >> personally have never had issues doing this. >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to >> mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at >> either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus >> and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting >> the list website at: >> >> > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From gordon-and-lynne at mac-access.co.uk Thu Oct 13 09:28:04 2011 From: gordon-and-lynne at mac-access.co.uk (Gordon & Lynne) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 09:28:04 +0100 Subject: Mail; iPad/iPhone/iPod Touch, Conversation Handling Message-ID: <2866C293-2AC7-4A39-8CFB-F31FBEAEB3ED@mac-access.co.uk> Hello everybody I have a question for those on list who, like me, consider themselves mortal, fallible and, therefore, not all knowledgable. In the new Mail layout, how does one move through the messages in a conversation thread? In other words, if you want to delete a specific part of the conversation or move to the next message in the thread, what is the process using VoiceOver? Gillian, our friend, employee and, on occasions student, is having problems in that regard. As I am sure most of you know, the environment changes considerably with the removal of VoiceOver from the equation. Gestures change a lot and I'm not sure the functionality in respect of mail is the same. I am grateful for all constructive replies. ------------------------------ This message was sent from our iPad. ------------------------------ `z From jonathan.tyrer at gmail.com Thu Oct 13 09:28:39 2011 From: jonathan.tyrer at gmail.com (Jonathan Tyrer) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 09:28:39 +0100 Subject: voices in iOS five In-Reply-To: <48A831F9-66F8-48CF-8315-F1053EE7B0EB@gmail.com> References: <51BA0E48-6431-4CE0-9227-8E25E7700964@gmail.com> <439A797F-2D5A-41EC-BB83-D052BE5389D4@gmail.com> <34607BB8-2043-4547-8F84-1F9B292E19A7@mac-access.net> <48A831F9-66F8-48CF-8315-F1053EE7B0EB@gmail.com> Message-ID: It seems to work as advertised for me at least. I've got the standard and premium voices for UK and US English and it switches between the four of them properly. JT On 13/10/2011, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: > Hi! > > Did they fix it so that it knows to switch to the proper setting now? > Previously, it always used to use compact when the compact setting was off. > Also, you have to have the default language to the voice you wish to > download. That part hasn't chained for me, so if you want to use premium > voices, at least in my case compact is what you get with everything else. > > Regards, > Nic > On Oct 13, 2011, at 1:51 AM, Jonathan Tyrer wrote: > >> Why not try ading US English or whatever to the language rotor and >> changeing it that way? I think that if you do that, there's no need >> to mess around with the regional settings - mine switches happily >> between British and US English voices on IOS 5. >> >> Best wishes. >> >> Jonathan >> >> On 12/10/2011, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: >>> Hello Nic >>> >>> Yes, this is still the case. Change regions and you get kayos here. >>> Everything goes absolutely mental and our carrier signal goes AWOL. >>> >>> Lynne >>> >>> On 12 Oct 2011, at 21:18, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: >>> >>> I remember speaking with Lynne about this a few months back, and when she >>> tried it apparently the iPhone was unable to change the setting because >>> of >>> the baseband. Whether this is still the case, I'm not sure, though I >>> still >>> can't understand why that would have to change when you switch regions. I >>> personally have never had issues doing this. >>> >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to >>> mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum >>> at >>> either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>> >>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>> . >>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus >>> and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by >>> visiting >>> the list website at: >>> >>> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to >> mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum >> at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus >> and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting >> the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at > either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus > and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting > the list website at: > > From chris.hallsworth at techno-chat.net Thu Oct 13 09:51:01 2011 From: chris.hallsworth at techno-chat.net (chris hallsworth) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 09:51:01 +0100 Subject: My iMessage contact Message-ID: <4E96A675.9020706@techno-chat.net> Please iMessage me at challsworth2 at sky.com. Realy want to get this up and running! Thanks! From dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie Thu Oct 13 09:56:29 2011 From: dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie (=?iso-8859-1?Q?D=F3nal_Fitzpatrick?=) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 09:56:29 +0100 Subject: mail archiving. Message-ID: <87E3E706-E899-4129-8CC4-59D00FCCD2B5@computing.dcu.ie> Hello all, Well like most of you I have tens of thousands of mails just sitting around. I don't want to get rid of them, however as I'm using iMap I know that they can sometimes cause a heavy load when large folders need to be downloaded or synced. The way I've done this till now is to create a smart mailbox and move everything that's older than 18 months in there. Then once a month I simply archive this folder. However, this has one drawback in that if I want to re-import (does this word actually exist?) messages back into the original place they came from it won't work. I could, of course, simply copy folders from point a to point b on either my server or local machine and then delete old/unwanted mails but frankly that's too much like effort. So my question is do others have different strategies for doing this? Best, D?nal D?nal Fitzpatrick dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie From mattchao at verizon.net Thu Oct 13 10:43:43 2011 From: mattchao at verizon.net (Matthew Chao) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 05:43:43 -0400 Subject: Restoring Apps After Installation of iOS 5 Message-ID: <0LT000FH60D33LK1@vms173013.mailsrvcs.net> Hi, Folks! How do I restore the purchased apps after installing/upgrading to iOS 5? I backed up my phone, and transferred all purchased apps to my PC as instructed. now I wannt to reinstall them. Thanks for your help in advance. Matthew Chao From gordon at mac-access.net Thu Oct 13 11:01:10 2011 From: gordon at mac-access.net (Gordon Smith) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 11:01:10 +0100 Subject: I killed my Iphone! In-Reply-To: <2CC716AB-E470-49FC-9073-0AC140A9B672@virginmedia.com> References: <2CC716AB-E470-49FC-9073-0AC140A9B672@virginmedia.com> Message-ID: <433CAFB6-6D58-4574-9001-549D5C157EE1@mac-access.net> Colin Why can't you just put it into recovery mode and recover it? Gordon On 12 Oct 2011, at 23:46, Red.Falcon wrote: Well folks! I've managed to some how really muck up doing the update! The Iphone had the same problems as others I went through the restore method and now the Iphone is dead it will not switch on and when I plug it into Itunes it does not appear! So I've got to take a trip to my apple store tomorrow [Oh well thats life!] Unless one of you know different! All the best! Colin Qapla! Chegh chew jaj Vam jaj Kak <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: or at the public Mail Archive: . Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From lynne at mac-access.net Thu Oct 13 11:05:54 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 11:05:54 +0100 Subject: voices in iOS five In-Reply-To: References: <51BA0E48-6431-4CE0-9227-8E25E7700964@gmail.com> <439A797F-2D5A-41EC-BB83-D052BE5389D4@gmail.com> <34607BB8-2043-4547-8F84-1F9B292E19A7@mac-access.net> Message-ID: hello Jonathan On 13 Oct 2011, at 00:51, Jonathan Tyrer wrote: Why not try ading US English or whatever to the language rotor and changeing it that way? I think that if you do that, there's no need to mess around with the regional settings - mine switches happily between British and US English voices on IOS 5. That's very interesting actually because during the beta cycle developer support told us there was no way to change the voices without changing regional settings. Just so I don't mess up, can you describe how you added US English to the language rotar? Lynne From lynne at mac-access.net Thu Oct 13 11:07:21 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 11:07:21 +0100 Subject: IOS5 kills Apple tv. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7B7DCA1D-6A04-499A-9AA7-BCC6E88C89D3@mac-access.net> Hello Geoff Ours has been using iOS5 (the Apple TV variant) for months now, without a hitch. But we updated it a different way so I'll try that now. Lynne On 13 Oct 2011, at 01:37, Geoff Waaler wrote: Greetings all, I have an Apple tv connected to my stereo via toslink. This afternoon I attempted to install the IOS5 update by going into settings -> general -> check for updates. The first time it appeared to hang on the update button, but when I selected it again, got a dialog asking whether I was sure I wanted to quit. So I let it go for a while and then heard Samantha from the other room. I came back in and found an okay button but could not ascertain what the message was (presumably the ubiquitous 3200 error). I again checked for updates and selected update. I let it go for hours but now my stereo only emits an unusual amount of static when Apple tv is active. Since it had been several hours I power cycled the apple tv but that had no affect -- I waited about two minutes but only heard the extra static. Also pressing buttons on the remote causes static. The device does appear to be on my network because its visible to Airfoil, and transmitting to Apple tv results in additional static. I double checked the cabling, though none of the hardware had been touched until I power cycled. I considered connecting via Ethernet, but decided that couldn't be a factor since the device is visible to the network. I checked Google but found nothing of interest. If noone here can offer a suggestion I suppose its time to call Apple? TIA for any/all ideas and best regards. Geoff <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: or at the public Mail Archive: . Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From lynne at mac-access.net Thu Oct 13 11:09:57 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 11:09:57 +0100 Subject: for those updating to IOS 5 In-Reply-To: <71E4D41A-BCFF-4540-A102-8B0EF9776A9E@gmail.com> References: <71E4D41A-BCFF-4540-A102-8B0EF9776A9E@gmail.com> Message-ID: <656F0265-963A-4606-B43F-1BF1FBCF6C42@mac-access.net> hello Jane As far as I know you must use an email address. Is there any specific reason why you can't change your Apple ID to associate with an email address? After all, you do have an email address otherwise you wouldn't be a member of this group. :) Just a thought. Lynne On 13 Oct 2011, at 01:59, Jane wrote: Just how crucial is it for me to change my Apple ID? It just isn't working for some reason. My Apple ID is not an email, just a user name. When I updated the software after the first attempt to update the iPad, the Mac restarted and System Prefs opened up with the iCloud pane open, and it kept insisting I had to change my Apple ID to an email. The silly site wont load, so I can't do that. Will the update for iOS5 still take? From lynne at mac-access.net Thu Oct 13 11:55:19 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 11:55:19 +0100 Subject: voices in iOS five In-Reply-To: References: <51BA0E48-6431-4CE0-9227-8E25E7700964@gmail.com> <439A797F-2D5A-41EC-BB83-D052BE5389D4@gmail.com> <34607BB8-2043-4547-8F84-1F9B292E19A7@mac-access.net> Message-ID: Hello Nic Where's the setting for premium voices? As you know I don't use VO most of the time but when we update Gordon's iPhone later on it would be nice if we could switch to a premium voice instead of that horrendous compact Daniel. Daniel always sound to me as though he's got his head stuck in a bucket; even on the Mac I find him horrendous. Lynne On 13 Oct 2011, at 08:12, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: ? Did they fix it so that it knows to switch to the proper setting now? Previously, it always used to use compact when the compact setting was off. Also, you have to have the default language to the voice you wish to download. That part hasn't chained for me, so if you want to use premium voices, at least in my case compact is what you get with everything else. From lynne at mac-access.net Thu Oct 13 11:57:43 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 11:57:43 +0100 Subject: voices in iOS five In-Reply-To: References: <51BA0E48-6431-4CE0-9227-8E25E7700964@gmail.com> <439A797F-2D5A-41EC-BB83-D052BE5389D4@gmail.com> <34607BB8-2043-4547-8F84-1F9B292E19A7@mac-access.net> <48A831F9-66F8-48CF-8315-F1053EE7B0EB@gmail.com> Message-ID: hello Jonathan Can you tell me please, how did you switch to the premium voices and what did you change to make it work, and how? Thank you very much. Lynne On 13 Oct 2011, at 09:28, Jonathan Tyrer wrote: It seems to work as advertised for me at least. I've got the standard and premium voices for UK and US English and it switches between the four of them properly. From chojiro1990 at gmail.com Thu Oct 13 12:00:29 2011 From: chojiro1990 at gmail.com (Nicolai Svendsen) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 13:00:29 +0200 Subject: voices in iOS five In-Reply-To: References: <51BA0E48-6431-4CE0-9227-8E25E7700964@gmail.com> <439A797F-2D5A-41EC-BB83-D052BE5389D4@gmail.com> <34607BB8-2043-4547-8F84-1F9B292E19A7@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <53C8F2EF-F4A1-413E-97A0-C306FF21E9F4@gmail.com> Hi Lynne, Usually, the voices download when you plug in the device to any outlet and connect it to Wi-Fi. This can be any kind of power source, such as the USB cable. In an hour or so, the voice automatically switches but if you want to go back to compact, you go into Settings>General>Accessibility>VoiceOver and tap the "Use compact voice" switch to on. Regards, Nic On Oct 13, 2011, at 12:55 PM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hello Nic > > Where's the setting for premium voices? As you know I don't use VO most of the time but when we update Gordon's iPhone later on it would be nice if we could switch to a premium voice instead of that horrendous compact Daniel. Daniel always sound to me as though he's got his head stuck in a bucket; even on the Mac I find him horrendous. > > Lynne > > On 13 Oct 2011, at 08:12, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: > > ? Did they fix it so that it knows to switch to the proper setting now? Previously, it always used to use compact when the compact setting was off. Also, you have to have the default language to the voice you wish to download. That part hasn't chained for me, so if you want to use premium voices, at least in my case compact is what you get with everything else. > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From lynne at mac-access.net Thu Oct 13 12:00:33 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 12:00:33 +0100 Subject: My iMessage contact In-Reply-To: <4E96A675.9020706@techno-chat.net> References: <4E96A675.9020706@techno-chat.net> Message-ID: Hello Chris Is this Mac or iOS related? Lynne On 13 Oct 2011, at 09:51, chris hallsworth wrote: ? Please iMessage me at challsworth2 at sky.com. Realy want to get this up and running! Thanks! From chojiro1990 at gmail.com Thu Oct 13 12:03:25 2011 From: chojiro1990 at gmail.com (Nicolai Svendsen) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 13:03:25 +0200 Subject: My iMessage contact In-Reply-To: References: <4E96A675.9020706@techno-chat.net> Message-ID: <3222D8DE-E5A6-45EF-B1A2-00C0972FA0E7@gmail.com> Hi Lynne, This is iOS related and is a new feature which potentially lets you send free texts from an iPod Touch, iPad or iPhone on Wi-Fi. If you have 3G and flatrate, there is also supposed to be no charge. It's pretty slick. Regards, Nic On Oct 13, 2011, at 1:00 PM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hello Chris > > > Is this Mac or iOS related? > > Lynne > > On 13 Oct 2011, at 09:51, chris hallsworth wrote: > > ? Please iMessage me at challsworth2 at sky.com. Realy want to get this up and running! Thanks! > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From lynne at mac-access.net Thu Oct 13 12:04:38 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 12:04:38 +0100 Subject: mail archiving. In-Reply-To: <87E3E706-E899-4129-8CC4-59D00FCCD2B5@computing.dcu.ie> References: <87E3E706-E899-4129-8CC4-59D00FCCD2B5@computing.dcu.ie> Message-ID: <3A8F354F-E187-43A7-B74D-9B33699AA7FD@mac-access.net> Hello Donal First thing I would suggest is only download the headers of messages, rather than the full messages. Unless, of course, you want to view them off line. As for importing iMAP folders I have no idea about that. But we find that downloading only headers definitely does help overall. Lynne On 13 Oct 2011, at 09:56, D?nal Fitzpatrick wrote: Hello all, Well like most of you I have tens of thousands of mails just sitting around. I don't want to get rid of them, however as I'm using iMap I know that they can sometimes cause a heavy load when large folders need to be downloaded or synced. The way I've done this till now is to create a smart mailbox and move everything that's older than 18 months in there. Then once a month I simply archive this folder. However, this has one drawback in that if I want to re-import (does this word actually exist?) messages back into the original place they came from it won't work. I could, of course, simply copy folders from point a to point b on either my server or local machine and then delete old/unwanted mails but frankly that's too much like effort. So my question is do others have different strategies for doing this? Best, D?nal D?nal Fitzpatrick dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: or at the public Mail Archive: . Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From lynne at mac-access.net Thu Oct 13 12:05:38 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 12:05:38 +0100 Subject: Restoring Apps After Installation of iOS 5 In-Reply-To: <0LT000FH60D33LK1@vms173013.mailsrvcs.net> References: <0LT000FH60D33LK1@vms173013.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <1D62CEC3-C62F-42CA-89C2-1739F95D8530@mac-access.net> Hello Matthew If you had a backup on your computer you shouldn't need too. It's automatic. Lynne On 13 Oct 2011, at 10:43, Matthew Chao wrote: Hi, Folks! How do I restore the purchased apps after installing/upgrading to iOS 5? I backed up my phone, and transferred all purchased apps to my PC as instructed. now I wannt to reinstall them. Thanks for your help in advance. From lynne at mac-access.net Thu Oct 13 12:07:53 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 12:07:53 +0100 Subject: voices in iOS five In-Reply-To: <53C8F2EF-F4A1-413E-97A0-C306FF21E9F4@gmail.com> References: <51BA0E48-6431-4CE0-9227-8E25E7700964@gmail.com> <439A797F-2D5A-41EC-BB83-D052BE5389D4@gmail.com> <34607BB8-2043-4547-8F84-1F9B292E19A7@mac-access.net> <53C8F2EF-F4A1-413E-97A0-C306FF21E9F4@gmail.com> Message-ID: hello Nic That's very interesting; I will check that now because either ours hasn't changed, or else they both sound the same to me. :) Ours spend most of their grime plugged into the computer unless we're actually using them. So the voices should definitely have downloaded. Many thanks. Lynne On 13 Oct 2011, at 12:00, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: Hi Lynne, Usually, the voices download when you plug in the device to any outlet and connect it to Wi-Fi. This can be any kind of power source, such as the USB cable. In an hour or so, the voice automatically switches but if you want to go back to compact, you go into Settings>General>Accessibility>VoiceOver and tap the "Use compact voice" switch to on. From dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie Thu Oct 13 12:09:35 2011 From: dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie (=?iso-8859-1?Q?D=F3nal_Fitzpatrick?=) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 12:09:35 +0100 Subject: mail archiving. In-Reply-To: <3A8F354F-E187-43A7-B74D-9B33699AA7FD@mac-access.net> References: <87E3E706-E899-4129-8CC4-59D00FCCD2B5@computing.dcu.ie> <3A8F354F-E187-43A7-B74D-9B33699AA7FD@mac-access.net> Message-ID: Unfortunately Lynne I need to have most of the messages available for offline viewing. It's a shame that one can't do this on a mailbox granularity level. D?nal On 13 Oct 2011, at 12:04, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hello Donal > > First thing I would suggest is only download the headers of messages, rather than the full messages. Unless, of course, you want to view them off line. > > As for importing iMAP folders I have no idea about that. But we find that downloading only headers definitely does help overall. > > Lynne > > On 13 Oct 2011, at 09:56, D?nal Fitzpatrick wrote: > > Hello all, > > Well like most of you I have tens of thousands of mails just sitting around. I don't want to get rid of them, however as I'm using iMap I know that they can sometimes cause a heavy load when large folders need to be downloaded or synced. > > The way I've done this till now is to create a smart mailbox and move everything that's older than 18 months in there. Then once a month I simply archive this folder. > > However, this has one drawback in that if I want to re-import (does this word actually exist?) messages back into the original place they came from it won't work. I could, of course, simply copy folders from point a to point b on either my server or local machine and then delete old/unwanted mails but frankly that's too much like effort. So my question is do others have different strategies for doing this? > > Best, > > D?nal > D?nal Fitzpatrick > dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie > > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > D?nal Fitzpatrick dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie From lynne at mac-access.net Thu Oct 13 12:10:34 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 12:10:34 +0100 Subject: My iMessage contact In-Reply-To: <3222D8DE-E5A6-45EF-B1A2-00C0972FA0E7@gmail.com> References: <4E96A675.9020706@techno-chat.net> <3222D8DE-E5A6-45EF-B1A2-00C0972FA0E7@gmail.com> Message-ID: <7833D00E-AF5B-4AAB-9BE9-F56D06FFD0B8@mac-access.net> Hello Nic Sorry, I didn't quite complete that message and I had intended to ask Chris whether it was iPhone or iPod related, not Mac or iOS. Sorry Lynne about that, I should double-check what I'm writing. On 13 Oct 2011, at 12:03, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: Hi Lynne, This is iOS related and is a new feature which potentially lets you send free texts from an iPod Touch, iPad or iPhone on Wi-Fi. If you have 3G and flatrate, there is also supposed to be no charge. It's pretty slick. Regards, Nic On Oct 13, 2011, at 1:00 PM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hello Chris > > > Is this Mac or iOS related? > > Lynne > > On 13 Oct 2011, at 09:51, chris hallsworth wrote: > > ? Please iMessage me at challsworth2 at sky.com. Realy want to get this up and running! Thanks! > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: or at the public Mail Archive: . Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From lynne at mac-access.net Thu Oct 13 12:14:43 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 12:14:43 +0100 Subject: mail archiving. In-Reply-To: References: <87E3E706-E899-4129-8CC4-59D00FCCD2B5@computing.dcu.ie> <3A8F354F-E187-43A7-B74D-9B33699AA7FD@mac-access.net> Message-ID: Hello Donal yes, that would indeed be useful. There are little touches like that which would really improve the mail client. Of course, whether it's logistically possible is another matter entirely and I'm most definitely not qualified to answer that question. Lynne On 13 Oct 2011, at 12:09, D?nal Fitzpatrick wrote: Unfortunately Lynne I need to have most of the messages available for offline viewing. It's a shame that one can't do this on a mailbox granularity level. D?nal On 13 Oct 2011, at 12:04, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hello Donal > > First thing I would suggest is only download the headers of messages, rather than the full messages. Unless, of course, you want to view them off line. > > As for importing iMAP folders I have no idea about that. But we find that downloading only headers definitely does help overall. > > Lynne > > On 13 Oct 2011, at 09:56, D?nal Fitzpatrick wrote: > > Hello all, > > Well like most of you I have tens of thousands of mails just sitting around. I don't want to get rid of them, however as I'm using iMap I know that they can sometimes cause a heavy load when large folders need to be downloaded or synced. > > The way I've done this till now is to create a smart mailbox and move everything that's older than 18 months in there. Then once a month I simply archive this folder. > > However, this has one drawback in that if I want to re-import (does this word actually exist?) messages back into the original place they came from it won't work. I could, of course, simply copy folders from point a to point b on either my server or local machine and then delete old/unwanted mails but frankly that's too much like effort. So my question is do others have different strategies for doing this? > > Best, > > D?nal > D?nal Fitzpatrick > dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie > > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > D?nal Fitzpatrick dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: or at the public Mail Archive: . Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From lynne at mac-access.net Thu Oct 13 12:19:51 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 12:19:51 +0100 Subject: iCloud Message-ID: <2CA5776B-BC19-4EB9-9D05-374F7FE5D0A8@mac-access.net> Hello everybody Just a guess at the moment, but it seems to be the case that iCloud doesn't yet work regarding backing up the actual media content of your iPhone/iPod/iPad. I say that because inspection of our iCloud account is showing me that only 100MB of our allocated 55GB is currently in use. The settings of our iPad, 2 iPhones and an iPod Touch 3rd Generation are all backed up to the cloud and you'd think that, go ven the fact that we have movies on all of the devices as well as books and music, there would be more used space. Of course, it could be true that there's something turned off that should be on; but I don't see it in the iCloud preference pane. Anybody else noticing this? Lynne From dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie Thu Oct 13 12:27:10 2011 From: dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie (=?iso-8859-1?Q?D=F3nal_Fitzpatrick?=) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 12:27:10 +0100 Subject: a slight disappointment with IOS 5 Message-ID: Hello all, OK I may have missed something, but I'm slightly disappointed by the fact that the clicks, beeps and pings Apple assumes every blind user wants to here are still a part of the IOS experience. I personally hate, for example, the click when I move my finger across the keyboard. (one can turn off keyboard sounds in the sounds section but not the VO ones). I love, for example, to keep my phone on mute because then I can just hear the speech and none of this extraneous cr*p apple assumes I want to hear. I appreciate I'm probably in a minority here, but surely it can't be difficult to give the user some control over what they want to hear? D?nal D?nal Fitzpatrick dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie From lynne at mac-access.net Thu Oct 13 12:50:31 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 12:50:31 +0100 Subject: a slight disappointment with IOS 5 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello Donal In the case of your keyboard clicks, can't you turn them off by changing the typing mode to touch type? Or is it from Touch type? You know what I mean; the mode where you slide your finger along and when you lift it, it automatically adds the character. From memory; and please correct me if I am wrong, but I don't think you get those clicks then. Personally I don't much care for the clicks either; but i can see why some might like them and why Apple sees them as a "Must-have" It must be difficult for somebody who is blind and new to the OS to know when they have moved their finger sufficiently. I'm not blind and that's why I haven't voiced my opinion on this until now. I can totally understand why a visually impaired person might like these. I know that Gordon finds them irritating when trying to create a text message. Lynne On 13 Oct 2011, at 12:27, D?nal Fitzpatrick wrote: Hello all, OK I may have missed something, but I'm slightly disappointed by the fact that the clicks, beeps and pings Apple assumes every blind user wants to here are still a part of the IOS experience. I personally hate, for example, the click when I move my finger across the keyboard. (one can turn off keyboard sounds in the sounds section but not the VO ones). I love, for example, to keep my phone on mute because then I can just hear the speech and none of this extraneous cr*p apple assumes I want to hear. I appreciate I'm probably in a minority here, but surely it can't be difficult to give the user some control over what they want to hear? From mattchao at verizon.net Thu Oct 13 13:27:27 2011 From: mattchao at verizon.net (matthew chao) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 08:27:27 -0400 Subject: Restoring Apps After Installation of iOS 5 In-Reply-To: <1D62CEC3-C62F-42CA-89C2-1739F95D8530@mac-access.net> References: <0LT000FH60D33LK1@vms173013.mailsrvcs.net> <1D62CEC3-C62F-42CA-89C2-1739F95D8530@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <523170C3-5B4F-4477-9CAD-CE75A60530E1@verizon.net> Hello all. The apps were not restored when i looked at all the pages and there were only two pages not three. What to do now? Matthew Chao Sent from my iPhone On Oct 13, 2011, at 7:05 AM, "Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith" wrote: > Hello Matthew > > If you had a backup on your computer you shouldn't need too. It's automatic. > > Lynne > > On 13 Oct 2011, at 10:43, Matthew Chao wrote: > > Hi, Folks! How do I restore the purchased apps after installing/upgrading to iOS 5? I backed up my phone, and transferred all purchased apps to my PC as instructed. now I wannt to reinstall them. Thanks for your help in advance. > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From juanitatighan at gmail.com Thu Oct 13 13:41:26 2011 From: juanitatighan at gmail.com (Jane) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 08:41:26 -0400 Subject: iPad Trouble Message-ID: It's stuck in this recovery lop. How do I fix it? JaneTried to restore my iPad to default settings and got this error: The iPad ?iPad? could not be restored. An unknown error occurred (1). From gordon at mac-access.net Thu Oct 13 13:55:00 2011 From: gordon at mac-access.net (Gordon Smith) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 13:55:00 +0100 Subject: Restoring Apps After Installation of iOS 5 In-Reply-To: <523170C3-5B4F-4477-9CAD-CE75A60530E1@verizon.net> References: <0LT000FH60D33LK1@vms173013.mailsrvcs.net> <1D62CEC3-C62F-42CA-89C2-1739F95D8530@mac-access.net> <523170C3-5B4F-4477-9CAD-CE75A60530E1@verizon.net> Message-ID: Hello Matthew Go to the App Store and click on the Purchased tab. Gordon On 13 Oct 2011, at 13:27, matthew chao wrote: Hello all. The apps were not restored when i looked at all the pages and there were only two pages not three. What to do now? Matthew Chao Sent from my iPhone On Oct 13, 2011, at 7:05 AM, "Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith" wrote: > Hello Matthew > > If you had a backup on your computer you shouldn't need too. It's automatic. > > Lynne > > On 13 Oct 2011, at 10:43, Matthew Chao wrote: > > Hi, Folks! How do I restore the purchased apps after installing/upgrading to iOS 5? I backed up my phone, and transferred all purchased apps to my PC as instructed. now I wannt to reinstall them. Thanks for your help in advance. > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: or at the public Mail Archive: . Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From gordon at mac-access.net Thu Oct 13 13:58:07 2011 From: gordon at mac-access.net (Gordon Smith) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 13:58:07 +0100 Subject: iPad Trouble In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9798F468-1EB0-4459-A021-61D17C0734D2@mac-access.net> Jame Press and hold the sleep/home buttons at the same time for about 10 seconds. Then release the sleep button but keep the home button pressed. Plug the iPad into the machine with the home button pressed. After a few seconds release the home button. iTunes should tell you that it has found an iPad in recovery mode and offer you the chance to restore it. Gordon On 13 Oct 2011, at 13:41, Jane wrote: It's stuck in this recovery lop. How do I fix it? JaneTried to restore my iPad to default settings and got this error: The iPad ?iPad? could not be restored. An unknown error occurred (1). <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: or at the public Mail Archive: . Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie Thu Oct 13 14:00:30 2011 From: dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie (=?iso-8859-1?Q?D=F3nal_Fitzpatrick?=) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 14:00:30 +0100 Subject: a slight disappointment with IOS 5 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5B7D33D5-6C2E-4A31-AC5B-13CE47E52349@computing.dcu.ie> Hi Lynne, Apologies I sent that last mail in a rush as I had to go teach a class; oddly enough about user-interaction and interface design which is always fun. The sounds I'm talking about are the VO sounds. When "mute" is on, there are none and I find I can operate the device faster. I've even done some task analysis on myself and (though this is only a sample-size of 1) I'm definitely more efficient. So let's say I'm in touch-typing mode and I miss the D key but hit the S. When I slide to the right I hear a click. This same click happens when one moves from icon to icon on the home screen etc. I *loath* these extra sounds. Rant over! On 13 Oct 2011, at 12:50, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hello Donal > > In the case of your keyboard clicks, can't you turn them off by changing the typing mode to touch type? Or is it from Touch type? You know what I mean; the mode where you slide your finger along and when you lift it, it automatically adds the character. From memory; and please correct me if I am wrong, but I don't think you get those clicks then. > > Personally I don't much care for the clicks either; but i can see why some might like them and why Apple sees them as a "Must-have" It must be difficult for somebody who is blind and new to the OS to know when they have moved their finger sufficiently. > > I'm not blind and that's why I haven't voiced my opinion on this until now. I can totally understand why a visually impaired person might like these. > > I know that Gordon finds them irritating when trying to create a text message. > > Lynne > > On 13 Oct 2011, at 12:27, D?nal Fitzpatrick wrote: > > Hello all, > > OK I may have missed something, but I'm slightly disappointed by the fact that the clicks, beeps and pings Apple assumes every blind user wants to here are still a part of the IOS experience. I personally hate, for example, the click when I move my finger across the keyboard. (one can turn off keyboard sounds in the sounds section but not the VO ones). I love, for example, to keep my phone on mute because then I can just hear the speech and none of this extraneous cr*p apple assumes I want to hear. > > I appreciate I'm probably in a minority here, but surely it can't be difficult to give the user some control over what they want to hear? > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > D?nal Fitzpatrick dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie From gordon at mac-access.net Thu Oct 13 14:06:56 2011 From: gordon at mac-access.net (Gordon Smith) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 14:06:56 +0100 Subject: a slight disappointment with IOS 5 In-Reply-To: <5B7D33D5-6C2E-4A31-AC5B-13CE47E52349@computing.dcu.ie> References: <5B7D33D5-6C2E-4A31-AC5B-13CE47E52349@computing.dcu.ie> Message-ID: <06F80CF5-7833-40C5-8DED-68E5766A9F31@mac-access.net> Hi Donal Int's been a while since I did this, because I must confess I use an Bluetooth keyboard most of the time instead of the on-screen version. But my iPad is in a mode where by touching a letter doesn't actually cause it to be activated. You have to actually lift your finger off the screen a little for that letter to be typed. But the point is that the sound is different. Gordon On 13 Oct 2011, at 14:00, D?nal Fitzpatrick wrote: Hi Lynne, Apologies I sent that last mail in a rush as I had to go teach a class; oddly enough about user-interaction and interface design which is always fun. The sounds I'm talking about are the VO sounds. When "mute" is on, there are none and I find I can operate the device faster. I've even done some task analysis on myself and (though this is only a sample-size of 1) I'm definitely more efficient. So let's say I'm in touch-typing mode and I miss the D key but hit the S. When I slide to the right I hear a click. This same click happens when one moves from icon to icon on the home screen etc. I *loath* these extra sounds. Rant over! On 13 Oct 2011, at 12:50, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hello Donal > > In the case of your keyboard clicks, can't you turn them off by changing the typing mode to touch type? Or is it from Touch type? You know what I mean; the mode where you slide your finger along and when you lift it, it automatically adds the character. From memory; and please correct me if I am wrong, but I don't think you get those clicks then. > > Personally I don't much care for the clicks either; but i can see why some might like them and why Apple sees them as a "Must-have" It must be difficult for somebody who is blind and new to the OS to know when they have moved their finger sufficiently. > > I'm not blind and that's why I haven't voiced my opinion on this until now. I can totally understand why a visually impaired person might like these. > > I know that Gordon finds them irritating when trying to create a text message. > > Lynne > > On 13 Oct 2011, at 12:27, D?nal Fitzpatrick wrote: > > Hello all, > > OK I may have missed something, but I'm slightly disappointed by the fact that the clicks, beeps and pings Apple assumes every blind user wants to here are still a part of the IOS experience. I personally hate, for example, the click when I move my finger across the keyboard. (one can turn off keyboard sounds in the sounds section but not the VO ones). I love, for example, to keep my phone on mute because then I can just hear the speech and none of this extraneous cr*p apple assumes I want to hear. > > I appreciate I'm probably in a minority here, but surely it can't be difficult to give the user some control over what they want to hear? > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > D?nal Fitzpatrick dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: or at the public Mail Archive: . Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie Thu Oct 13 14:09:02 2011 From: dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie (=?iso-8859-1?Q?D=F3nal_Fitzpatrick?=) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 14:09:02 +0100 Subject: a slight disappointment with IOS 5 In-Reply-To: <06F80CF5-7833-40C5-8DED-68E5766A9F31@mac-access.net> References: <5B7D33D5-6C2E-4A31-AC5B-13CE47E52349@computing.dcu.ie> <06F80CF5-7833-40C5-8DED-68E5766A9F31@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <3FCF66F3-8978-4150-BC99-1E9321E67036@computing.dcu.ie> I'm in the same mode gordon. Basically I want the ability to kill *all* vo sounds instead of speech. I've asked Apple about this, but like many of my queries to accessibility over the past two weeks, the mail was ignored. D?nal On 13 Oct 2011, at 14:06, Gordon Smith wrote: > Hi Donal > > Int's been a while since I did this, because I must confess I use an Bluetooth keyboard most of the time instead of the on-screen version. But my iPad is in a mode where by touching a letter doesn't actually cause it to be activated. You have to actually lift your finger off the screen a little for that letter to be typed. But the point is that the sound is different. > > Gordon > > On 13 Oct 2011, at 14:00, D?nal Fitzpatrick wrote: > > Hi Lynne, > > Apologies I sent that last mail in a rush as I had to go teach a class; oddly enough about user-interaction and interface design which is always fun. The sounds I'm talking about are the VO sounds. When "mute" is on, there are none and I find I can operate the device faster. I've even done some task analysis on myself and (though this is only a sample-size of 1) I'm definitely more efficient. > > So let's say I'm in touch-typing mode and I miss the D key but hit the S. When I slide to the right I hear a click. This same click happens when one moves from icon to icon on the home screen etc. I *loath* these extra sounds. > > Rant over! > On 13 Oct 2011, at 12:50, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > >> Hello Donal >> >> In the case of your keyboard clicks, can't you turn them off by changing the typing mode to touch type? Or is it from Touch type? You know what I mean; the mode where you slide your finger along and when you lift it, it automatically adds the character. From memory; and please correct me if I am wrong, but I don't think you get those clicks then. >> >> Personally I don't much care for the clicks either; but i can see why some might like them and why Apple sees them as a "Must-have" It must be difficult for somebody who is blind and new to the OS to know when they have moved their finger sufficiently. >> >> I'm not blind and that's why I haven't voiced my opinion on this until now. I can totally understand why a visually impaired person might like these. >> >> I know that Gordon finds them irritating when trying to create a text message. >> >> Lynne >> >> On 13 Oct 2011, at 12:27, D?nal Fitzpatrick wrote: >> >> Hello all, >> >> OK I may have missed something, but I'm slightly disappointed by the fact that the clicks, beeps and pings Apple assumes every blind user wants to here are still a part of the IOS experience. I personally hate, for example, the click when I move my finger across the keyboard. (one can turn off keyboard sounds in the sounds section but not the VO ones). I love, for example, to keep my phone on mute because then I can just hear the speech and none of this extraneous cr*p apple assumes I want to hear. >> >> I appreciate I'm probably in a minority here, but surely it can't be difficult to give the user some control over what they want to hear? >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > D?nal Fitzpatrick > dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie > > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > D?nal Fitzpatrick dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie From dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie Thu Oct 13 14:20:58 2011 From: dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie (=?iso-8859-1?Q?D=F3nal_Fitzpatrick?=) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 14:20:58 +0100 Subject: yorofukuru query. Message-ID: <97C0B3BA-E44C-4F2B-AF21-59F0B4C0B4B0@computing.dcu.ie> Right people, I'm having a brainless day here! Basically I want to set up a tab which simply displays all tweets with a certain hashtag. So let's pretend the tag is "#mac-access". How do I set up the tab to display only tweets with this keyword? Thanks! D?nal D?nal Fitzpatrick dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie From velocity.focus66 at virginmedia.com Thu Oct 13 14:26:48 2011 From: velocity.focus66 at virginmedia.com (Red.Falcon) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 14:26:48 +0100 Subject: New safari 5.1.1 is being offurd! Message-ID: <479F97DF-5E72-4CF0-A25E-3513599111BC@virginmedia.com> If anyone does not know and some areas have not got it yet! Colin From ianandriggs at googlemail.com Thu Oct 13 14:27:17 2011 From: ianandriggs at googlemail.com (Ian McNamara) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 14:27:17 +0100 Subject: My iMessage contact In-Reply-To: <4E96A675.9020706@techno-chat.net> References: <4E96A675.9020706@techno-chat.net> Message-ID: <80F63CAC-78C7-4D6A-8FBA-230564827040@googlemail.com> hi mine is ianandriggs at googlemail.com feel free to messsage me. From geoff.waaler at gmail.com Thu Oct 13 14:44:07 2011 From: geoff.waaler at gmail.com (Geoff Waaler) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 09:44:07 -0400 Subject: Restoring Apps After Installation of iOS 5 References: <0LT000FH60D33LK1@vms173013.mailsrvcs.net><1D62CEC3-C62F-42CA-89C2-1739F95D8530@mac-access.net> <523170C3-5B4F-4477-9CAD-CE75A60530E1@verizon.net> Message-ID: <567DA4CA208A457AA8F02F6B6F677876@YOURZ8KUJVJGKY> Hi Matthew, I can confirm your findings -- the folders were retained, however none of my apps from the app store were copied to my 3GS upon upgrading IOS from 4.3.5 to 5. In itunes, I went into the apps tab under iPhone settings and noticed that the option to sync apps was not checked. I checked that and then *MOST* apps were restored, though not to their original folders. Oddly, a few recently added apps were still not there, but since my 4S is arriving tomorrow I decided to worry about it then :). I'm guessing that this is unique to the 3GS, and if that's your hardware, that would seem to validate my theory. HTH a little. Geoff ----- Original Message ----- From: matthew chao To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2011 8:27 AM Subject: Re: Restoring Apps After Installation of iOS 5 Hello all. The apps were not restored when i looked at all the pages and there were only two pages not three. What to do now? Matthew Chao Sent from my iPhone On Oct 13, 2011, at 7:05 AM, "Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith" wrote: > Hello Matthew > > If you had a backup on your computer you shouldn't need too. It's automatic. > > Lynne > > On 13 Oct 2011, at 10:43, Matthew Chao wrote: > > Hi, Folks! How do I restore the purchased apps after installing/upgrading to iOS 5? I backed up my phone, and transferred all purchased apps to my PC as instructed. now I wannt to reinstall them. Thanks for your help in advance. > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: or at the public Mail Archive: . Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From james.austin at mac-access.net Thu Oct 13 14:47:38 2011 From: james.austin at mac-access.net (James AUSTIN) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 14:47:38 +0100 Subject: My iMessage contact In-Reply-To: <80F63CAC-78C7-4D6A-8FBA-230564827040@googlemail.com> References: <4E96A675.9020706@techno-chat.net> <80F63CAC-78C7-4D6A-8FBA-230564827040@googlemail.com> Message-ID: <5A36A0BE-4CB5-483E-923F-E5DF9D4C31C0@mac-access.net> Hi Ian, I don't think you need to provide an E-Mail, as the IOS seems to know as I've already sent two iMessages today. TC :) James On 13 Oct 2011, at 14:27, Ian McNamara wrote: > hi mine is ianandriggs at googlemail.com feel free to messsage me. > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From geoff.waaler at gmail.com Thu Oct 13 14:55:27 2011 From: geoff.waaler at gmail.com (Geoff Waaler) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 09:55:27 -0400 Subject: voices in iOS five References: <51BA0E48-6431-4CE0-9227-8E25E7700964@gmail.com><439A797F-2D5A-41EC-BB83-D052BE5389D4@gmail.com><34607BB8-2043-4547-8F84-1F9B292E19A7@mac-access.net> Message-ID: Hi Lynne, To add language to the main rotor, you would go to settings -> accessibility -> voiceover -> language Rotor and select more than one option. BTW, Daniel doesn't sound all that bad to me except that he has this weird accent and probably would refer to an elevator as a "lift" :). Best regards. Geoff ----- Original Message ----- From: Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2011 6:05 AM Subject: Re: voices in iOS five hello Jonathan On 13 Oct 2011, at 00:51, Jonathan Tyrer wrote: Why not try ading US English or whatever to the language rotor and changeing it that way? I think that if you do that, there's no need to mess around with the regional settings - mine switches happily between British and US English voices on IOS 5. That's very interesting actually because during the beta cycle developer support told us there was no way to change the voices without changing regional settings. Just so I don't mess up, can you describe how you added US English to the language rotar? Lynne <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: or at the public Mail Archive: . Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From moopiecurran at gmail.com Thu Oct 13 15:06:36 2011 From: moopiecurran at gmail.com (Courtney Curran) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 10:06:36 -0400 Subject: Itunes wifi sync In-Reply-To: <1C4EB2A7-5745-462B-9757-99696FA7F724@gmail.com> References: <30997D37-35A5-4483-B9A8-26CFDB989DAC@speedpost.net> <1DDCD617-33F0-4D8B-9F8C-A7FE65E37CD1@gmail.com> <1C4EB2A7-5745-462B-9757-99696FA7F724@gmail.com> Message-ID: <01424D3B-D88D-4AF4-A36A-1A6AE88315AE@gmail.com> Hi Nic, Oh, that's good, because sometimes it's not very convenient to go plug into power. I'm glad it won't hurt the device to sync unplugged, :) Thanks for the info. Courtney On Oct 13, 2011, at 3:14 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: > Hi! > > That is because Apple removed the limitation. You can now sync without being plugged in, though that might be dimmed if the device is lower on battery power. > > Regards, > Nic > On Oct 13, 2011, at 5:31 AM, Courtney Curran wrote: > >> Hi, >> That's what I would've thought, but there's still a sync button when my device is unplugged. So I'm not sure, I would think it would be dimmed if the iPad weren't plugged into power. >> On Oct 12, 2011, at 11:13 PM, Zachary Kline wrote: >> >>> Hi Courtney, >>> I imagine it has to do with preventing the drain on battery that an intensive activity like syncing would cause. Don't quote me on that though, I've no real idea. >>> Best, >>> Zack. >>> On Oct 12, 2011, at 8:11 PM, Courtney Curran wrote: >>> >>>> Hi, >>>> That option wasn't checked, but I did check it, and it works now. Why does the iPad need to be plugged into power to be synced? >>>> Courtney >>>> >>>> On Oct 12, 2011, at 10:40 PM, Zachary Kline wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi Courtney, >>>>> Forgive the obvious question, but have you enabled WiFI sync in iTunes? It's a setting in the iPod's summary tab. >>>>> Best, >>>>> Zack. >>>>> On Oct 12, 2011, at 7:19 PM, Courtney Curran wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi, >>>>>> I can't get iTunes wifi sync to work. My iPad 2 is plugged into a power strip with the provided wall charger, and my mac and iPad are both connected to wifi. iTunes is open on my mac. What am I doing wrong? >>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>> Courtney >>>>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>>>> >>>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>>> >>>>>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>>>>> >>>>>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>>>>> . >>>>>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>>>> >>>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>>> >>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>> >>>>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>>>> >>>>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>>>> . >>>>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>>> >>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>>> >>>> >>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>>> >>>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>>> . >>>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>>> >>>> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>> >>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>> >>> >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>> >>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>> . >>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From ianandriggs at googlemail.com Thu Oct 13 15:06:54 2011 From: ianandriggs at googlemail.com (Ian McNamara) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 15:06:54 +0100 Subject: yorofukuru query. In-Reply-To: <97C0B3BA-E44C-4F2B-AF21-59F0B4C0B4B0@computing.dcu.ie> References: <97C0B3BA-E44C-4F2B-AF21-59F0B4C0B4B0@computing.dcu.ie> Message-ID: <216811DE-1BB5-490A-B481-D4EA0CB3D238@googlemail.com> yep thanks for asking this question i tried to follow a hash tag once and it did not work properly i could not see tweets in it so this is interesting for me to. Ian McNamara On 13 Oct 2011, at 14:20, D?nal Fitzpatrick wrote: > Right people, I'm having a brainless day here! > > Basically I want to set up a tab which simply displays all tweets with a certain hashtag. So let's pretend the tag is "#mac-access". How do I set up the tab to display only tweets with this keyword? > > Thanks! > > D?nal > D?nal Fitzpatrick > dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie > > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From moore.c at blueyonder.co.uk Thu Oct 13 15:08:50 2011 From: moore.c at blueyonder.co.uk (Chris Moore) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 15:08:50 +0100 Subject: voices in iOS five In-Reply-To: References: <51BA0E48-6431-4CE0-9227-8E25E7700964@gmail.com><439A797F-2D5A-41EC-BB83-D052BE5389D4@gmail.com><34607BB8-2043-4547-8F84-1F9B292E19A7@mac-access.net> Message-ID: Daniel is awful, bud it could be worse, he could have a smoggy accent :p On 13 Oct 2011, at 14:55, Geoff Waaler wrote: > Hi Lynne, > > To add language to the main rotor, you would go to settings -> accessibility -> voiceover -> language Rotor and select more than one option. BTW, Daniel doesn't sound all that bad to me except that he has this weird accent and probably would refer to an elevator as a "lift" :). > > Best regards. > Geoff > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith > To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility > Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2011 6:05 AM > Subject: Re: voices in iOS five > > > hello Jonathan > > On 13 Oct 2011, at 00:51, Jonathan Tyrer wrote: > > Why not try ading US English or whatever to the language rotor and > changeing it that way? I think that if you do that, there's no need > to mess around with the regional settings - mine switches happily > between British and US English voices on IOS 5. > > That's very interesting actually because during the beta cycle developer support told us there was no way to change the voices without changing regional settings. > > Just so I don't mess up, can you describe how you added US English to the language rotar? > > Lynne > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From ianandriggs at googlemail.com Thu Oct 13 15:09:05 2011 From: ianandriggs at googlemail.com (Ian McNamara) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 15:09:05 +0100 Subject: My iMessage contact In-Reply-To: <5A36A0BE-4CB5-483E-923F-E5DF9D4C31C0@mac-access.net> References: <4E96A675.9020706@techno-chat.net> <80F63CAC-78C7-4D6A-8FBA-230564827040@googlemail.com> <5A36A0BE-4CB5-483E-923F-E5DF9D4C31C0@mac-access.net> Message-ID: o odd well feel free to send me one when ever you wish i had to set it up that way for some reason but it's working now as i exchanged messages with lewis it's really good quite immpressed and i've finely masterd the roter jesjure. got very stressed with my ipod last night updateing to i o s five. On 13 Oct 2011, at 14:47, James AUSTIN wrote: > Hi Ian, > > I don't think you need to provide an E-Mail, as the IOS seems to know as I've already sent two iMessages today. > > TC :) > James > On 13 Oct 2011, at 14:27, Ian McNamara wrote: > >> hi mine is ianandriggs at googlemail.com feel free to messsage me. >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From chojiro1990 at gmail.com Thu Oct 13 15:23:37 2011 From: chojiro1990 at gmail.com (Nicolai Svendsen) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 16:23:37 +0200 Subject: yorofukuru query. In-Reply-To: <216811DE-1BB5-490A-B481-D4EA0CB3D238@googlemail.com> References: <97C0B3BA-E44C-4F2B-AF21-59F0B4C0B4B0@computing.dcu.ie> <216811DE-1BB5-490A-B481-D4EA0CB3D238@googlemail.com> Message-ID: <70A7463F-35AF-4A20-9DD2-04274951C011@gmail.com> Hi! Simply hit Command-P. This allows you to configure and add tabs with various amounts information, such as specific user timelines, keywords, regular expressions and so-forth. If you wish to set up a hash tag search, you can do it this way. 1) VO-right to the "Add" button. 2) Enter a name for the hash tag. This doesn't have to be the search itself, but just a reminder of what it is. 3) Now select the radio button that says "Twitter Advanced Search Tab Type" which is the third radio button when you VO-right. 4) Now click "Create." or simply hit enter. 5) Locate the table and select the new tab you created inside it. 6) Vo-right and you should hear "Query string." This radio button is selected. Move passed them. 7) When you find the unlabeled edit field, enter the tag you wish to search for. 8) Simply click "Ok" now. Don't worry about the operators for now, you'll be fine. Now, another tab has been created. To switch tabs, hit command-right and left or use control-tab and shift tab to switch to next and previous tab. The tabs also employ realtime streaming, so the tabs update as tweets come through the public timeline. Regards, Nic On Oct 13, 2011, at 4:06 PM, Ian McNamara wrote: > yep thanks for asking this question i tried to follow a hash tag once and it did not work properly i could not see tweets in it so this is interesting for me to. > > Ian McNamara > On 13 Oct 2011, at 14:20, D?nal Fitzpatrick wrote: > >> Right people, I'm having a brainless day here! >> >> Basically I want to set up a tab which simply displays all tweets with a certain hashtag. So let's pretend the tag is "#mac-access". How do I set up the tab to display only tweets with this keyword? >> >> Thanks! >> >> D?nal >> D?nal Fitzpatrick >> dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie >> >> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie Thu Oct 13 15:25:43 2011 From: dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie (=?iso-8859-1?Q?D=F3nal_Fitzpatrick?=) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 15:25:43 +0100 Subject: yorofukuru query. In-Reply-To: <70A7463F-35AF-4A20-9DD2-04274951C011@gmail.com> References: <97C0B3BA-E44C-4F2B-AF21-59F0B4C0B4B0@computing.dcu.ie> <216811DE-1BB5-490A-B481-D4EA0CB3D238@googlemail.com> <70A7463F-35AF-4A20-9DD2-04274951C011@gmail.com> Message-ID: <3AA79245-1229-4992-AD46-EBD8CF4574AC@computing.dcu.ie> That's it Nick, it was the "advanced search" I was missing! Cheers. On 13 Oct 2011, at 15:23, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: > Hi! > > Simply hit Command-P. This allows you to configure and add tabs with various amounts information, such as specific user timelines, keywords, regular expressions and so-forth. > > If you wish to set up a hash tag search, you can do it this way. > > 1) VO-right to the "Add" button. > 2) Enter a name for the hash tag. This doesn't have to be the search itself, but just a reminder of what it is. > 3) Now select the radio button that says "Twitter Advanced Search Tab Type" which is the third radio button when you VO-right. > 4) Now click "Create." or simply hit enter. > 5) Locate the table and select the new tab you created inside it. > 6) Vo-right and you should hear "Query string." This radio button is selected. Move passed them. > 7) When you find the unlabeled edit field, enter the tag you wish to search for. > 8) Simply click "Ok" now. Don't worry about the operators for now, you'll be fine. > > Now, another tab has been created. To switch tabs, hit command-right and left or use control-tab and shift tab to switch to next and previous tab. The tabs also employ realtime streaming, so the tabs update as tweets come through the public timeline. > > Regards, > Nic > On Oct 13, 2011, at 4:06 PM, Ian McNamara wrote: > >> yep thanks for asking this question i tried to follow a hash tag once and it did not work properly i could not see tweets in it so this is interesting for me to. >> >> Ian McNamara >> On 13 Oct 2011, at 14:20, D?nal Fitzpatrick wrote: >> >>> Right people, I'm having a brainless day here! >>> >>> Basically I want to set up a tab which simply displays all tweets with a certain hashtag. So let's pretend the tag is "#mac-access". How do I set up the tab to display only tweets with this keyword? >>> >>> Thanks! >>> >>> D?nal >>> D?nal Fitzpatrick >>> dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie >>> >>> >>> >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>> >>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>> . >>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > D?nal Fitzpatrick dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie From opensesame at me.com Thu Oct 13 16:02:06 2011 From: opensesame at me.com (Bryan Jones) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 11:02:06 -0400 Subject: I killed my Iphone! In-Reply-To: <433CAFB6-6D58-4574-9001-549D5C157EE1@mac-access.net> References: <2CC716AB-E470-49FC-9073-0AC140A9B672@virginmedia.com> <433CAFB6-6D58-4574-9001-549D5C157EE1@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <54BD9E48-189C-45EE-A23D-1C0C32CD6FC0@me.com> `i had a similar problem yesterday. ``my home internet access was down again (don't even get me started on the joys of `sprint `mobile `broadband), so I tethered my iphone figuring I could download the `ios upgrade via that connection, let it install, and by that time my Sprint internet would be back up. `well, the update downloaded and started the install process, but then after the phone rebooted `i got nothing. I tried all the standard recovery steps, but there was no way I could get itunes on my mac to add the iphone to the sources list. Eventually itunes started telling me I needed to have an internet connection to complete the process. sprint was and is still down here, so I went to bed, woke up early and walked to a starbucks hotspot, connected my MBA to the internet, attached my iphone, and voila! It was then able to complete the process. I did some googling and ```````as far as I can tell it seems as if apple requires itunes to talk to one of their servers at some point during the update process after the update has been downloaded but before the phone has been restored. This essentially seems to mean that such an upgrade cannot be performed if your sole means of accessing the internet is through your tethered iphone. :-( Bryan On Oct 13, 2011, at 6:01 AM, Gordon Smith wrote: > Colin > > Why can't you just put it into recovery mode and recover it? > > Gordon > > On 12 Oct 2011, at 23:46, Red.Falcon wrote: > > Well folks! > I've managed to some how really muck up doing the update! > The Iphone had the same problems as others I went through the restore method and now the Iphone is dead it will not switch on and when I plug it into Itunes it does not appear! > So I've got to take a trip to my apple store tomorrow [Oh well thats life!] > Unless one of you know different! > All the best! > Colin > Qapla! > > Chegh chew jaj Vam jaj Kak > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From gordon at mac-access.net Thu Oct 13 16:04:59 2011 From: gordon at mac-access.net (Gordon Smith) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 16:04:59 +0100 Subject: 1Password Update Available Message-ID: Hi all Just in case you haven't yet noticed, 1Password v3.8.9B2 was released yesterday. This isn't a major release but it might be significant if you run Chrome alongside Safari. 1Password now updates master password in all supported rousers after updating in primary browser. Gordon From gordon at mac-access.net Thu Oct 13 16:14:37 2011 From: gordon at mac-access.net (Gordon Smith) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 16:14:37 +0100 Subject: a slight disappointment with IOS 5 In-Reply-To: <3FCF66F3-8978-4150-BC99-1E9321E67036@computing.dcu.ie> References: <5B7D33D5-6C2E-4A31-AC5B-13CE47E52349@computing.dcu.ie> <06F80CF5-7833-40C5-8DED-68E5766A9F31@mac-access.net> <3FCF66F3-8978-4150-BC99-1E9321E67036@computing.dcu.ie> Message-ID: hi Donal When she comes home, I will ask Lynne to contact you off list as she has some contact details which might help you. Gordon On 13 Oct 2011, at 14:09, D?nal Fitzpatrick wrote: I'm in the same mode gordon. Basically I want the ability to kill *all* vo sounds instead of speech. I've asked Apple about this, but like many of my queries to accessibility over the past two weeks, the mail was ignored. D?nal On 13 Oct 2011, at 14:06, Gordon Smith wrote: > Hi Donal > > Int's been a while since I did this, because I must confess I use an Bluetooth keyboard most of the time instead of the on-screen version. But my iPad is in a mode where by touching a letter doesn't actually cause it to be activated. You have to actually lift your finger off the screen a little for that letter to be typed. But the point is that the sound is different. > > Gordon > > On 13 Oct 2011, at 14:00, D?nal Fitzpatrick wrote: > > Hi Lynne, > > Apologies I sent that last mail in a rush as I had to go teach a class; oddly enough about user-interaction and interface design which is always fun. The sounds I'm talking about are the VO sounds. When "mute" is on, there are none and I find I can operate the device faster. I've even done some task analysis on myself and (though this is only a sample-size of 1) I'm definitely more efficient. > > So let's say I'm in touch-typing mode and I miss the D key but hit the S. When I slide to the right I hear a click. This same click happens when one moves from icon to icon on the home screen etc. I *loath* these extra sounds. > > Rant over! > On 13 Oct 2011, at 12:50, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > >> Hello Donal >> >> In the case of your keyboard clicks, can't you turn them off by changing the typing mode to touch type? Or is it from Touch type? You know what I mean; the mode where you slide your finger along and when you lift it, it automatically adds the character. From memory; and please correct me if I am wrong, but I don't think you get those clicks then. >> >> Personally I don't much care for the clicks either; but i can see why some might like them and why Apple sees them as a "Must-have" It must be difficult for somebody who is blind and new to the OS to know when they have moved their finger sufficiently. >> >> I'm not blind and that's why I haven't voiced my opinion on this until now. I can totally understand why a visually impaired person might like these. >> >> I know that Gordon finds them irritating when trying to create a text message. >> >> Lynne >> >> On 13 Oct 2011, at 12:27, D?nal Fitzpatrick wrote: >> >> Hello all, >> >> OK I may have missed something, but I'm slightly disappointed by the fact that the clicks, beeps and pings Apple assumes every blind user wants to here are still a part of the IOS experience. I personally hate, for example, the click when I move my finger across the keyboard. (one can turn off keyboard sounds in the sounds section but not the VO ones). I love, for example, to keep my phone on mute because then I can just hear the speech and none of this extraneous cr*p apple assumes I want to hear. >> >> I appreciate I'm probably in a minority here, but surely it can't be difficult to give the user some control over what they want to hear? >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > D?nal Fitzpatrick > dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie > > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > D?nal Fitzpatrick dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: or at the public Mail Archive: . Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie Thu Oct 13 16:15:54 2011 From: dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie (=?iso-8859-1?Q?D=F3nal_Fitzpatrick?=) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 16:15:54 +0100 Subject: a slight disappointment with IOS 5 In-Reply-To: References: <5B7D33D5-6C2E-4A31-AC5B-13CE47E52349@computing.dcu.ie> <06F80CF5-7833-40C5-8DED-68E5766A9F31@mac-access.net> <3FCF66F3-8978-4150-BC99-1E9321E67036@computing.dcu.ie> Message-ID: <41448C57-FA32-407B-A4C3-38755438A383@computing.dcu.ie> wonderful Gordon thank you. On 13 Oct 2011, at 16:14, Gordon Smith wrote: > hi Donal > > When she comes home, I will ask Lynne to contact you off list as she has some contact details which might help you. > > Gordon > > > On 13 Oct 2011, at 14:09, D?nal Fitzpatrick wrote: > > I'm in the same mode gordon. Basically I want the ability to kill *all* vo sounds instead of speech. I've asked Apple about this, but like many of my queries to accessibility over the past two weeks, the mail was ignored. > > D?nal > On 13 Oct 2011, at 14:06, Gordon Smith wrote: > >> Hi Donal >> >> Int's been a while since I did this, because I must confess I use an Bluetooth keyboard most of the time instead of the on-screen version. But my iPad is in a mode where by touching a letter doesn't actually cause it to be activated. You have to actually lift your finger off the screen a little for that letter to be typed. But the point is that the sound is different. >> >> Gordon >> >> On 13 Oct 2011, at 14:00, D?nal Fitzpatrick wrote: >> >> Hi Lynne, >> >> Apologies I sent that last mail in a rush as I had to go teach a class; oddly enough about user-interaction and interface design which is always fun. The sounds I'm talking about are the VO sounds. When "mute" is on, there are none and I find I can operate the device faster. I've even done some task analysis on myself and (though this is only a sample-size of 1) I'm definitely more efficient. >> >> So let's say I'm in touch-typing mode and I miss the D key but hit the S. When I slide to the right I hear a click. This same click happens when one moves from icon to icon on the home screen etc. I *loath* these extra sounds. >> >> Rant over! >> On 13 Oct 2011, at 12:50, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: >> >>> Hello Donal >>> >>> In the case of your keyboard clicks, can't you turn them off by changing the typing mode to touch type? Or is it from Touch type? You know what I mean; the mode where you slide your finger along and when you lift it, it automatically adds the character. From memory; and please correct me if I am wrong, but I don't think you get those clicks then. >>> >>> Personally I don't much care for the clicks either; but i can see why some might like them and why Apple sees them as a "Must-have" It must be difficult for somebody who is blind and new to the OS to know when they have moved their finger sufficiently. >>> >>> I'm not blind and that's why I haven't voiced my opinion on this until now. I can totally understand why a visually impaired person might like these. >>> >>> I know that Gordon finds them irritating when trying to create a text message. >>> >>> Lynne >>> >>> On 13 Oct 2011, at 12:27, D?nal Fitzpatrick wrote: >>> >>> Hello all, >>> >>> OK I may have missed something, but I'm slightly disappointed by the fact that the clicks, beeps and pings Apple assumes every blind user wants to here are still a part of the IOS experience. I personally hate, for example, the click when I move my finger across the keyboard. (one can turn off keyboard sounds in the sounds section but not the VO ones). I love, for example, to keep my phone on mute because then I can just hear the speech and none of this extraneous cr*p apple assumes I want to hear. >>> >>> I appreciate I'm probably in a minority here, but surely it can't be difficult to give the user some control over what they want to hear? >>> >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>> >>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>> . >>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> D?nal Fitzpatrick >> dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie >> >> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > D?nal Fitzpatrick > dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie > > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > D?nal Fitzpatrick dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie From grtdane at internode.on.net Thu Oct 13 16:17:54 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2011 02:17:54 +1100 Subject: yorofukuru query. In-Reply-To: <70A7463F-35AF-4A20-9DD2-04274951C011@gmail.com> References: <97C0B3BA-E44C-4F2B-AF21-59F0B4C0B4B0@computing.dcu.ie> <216811DE-1BB5-490A-B481-D4EA0CB3D238@googlemail.com> <70A7463F-35AF-4A20-9DD2-04274951C011@gmail.com> Message-ID: <9514E2B0-D333-412A-8317-1B820213341C@internode.on.net> Just one thing to add here if I may to what is an informative post, to check what tab you're on use the Vo-F@ key once, this will tell you, as far as I recall the commands to move between next and previous tabs don't announce what tab you're on. On 14/10/2011, at 1:23 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: > Hi! > > Simply hit Command-P. This allows you to configure and add tabs with various amounts information, such as specific user timelines, keywords, regular expressions and so-forth. > > If you wish to set up a hash tag search, you can do it this way. > > 1) VO-right to the "Add" button. > 2) Enter a name for the hash tag. This doesn't have to be the search itself, but just a reminder of what it is. > 3) Now select the radio button that says "Twitter Advanced Search Tab Type" which is the third radio button when you VO-right. > 4) Now click "Create." or simply hit enter. > 5) Locate the table and select the new tab you created inside it. > 6) Vo-right and you should hear "Query string." This radio button is selected. Move passed them. > 7) When you find the unlabeled edit field, enter the tag you wish to search for. > 8) Simply click "Ok" now. Don't worry about the operators for now, you'll be fine. > > Now, another tab has been created. To switch tabs, hit command-right and left or use control-tab and shift tab to switch to next and previous tab. The tabs also employ realtime streaming, so the tabs update as tweets come through the public timeline. > > Regards, > Nic > On Oct 13, 2011, at 4:06 PM, Ian McNamara wrote: > >> yep thanks for asking this question i tried to follow a hash tag once and it did not work properly i could not see tweets in it so this is interesting for me to. >> >> Ian McNamara >> On 13 Oct 2011, at 14:20, D?nal Fitzpatrick wrote: >> >>> Right people, I'm having a brainless day here! >>> >>> Basically I want to set up a tab which simply displays all tweets with a certain hashtag. So let's pretend the tag is "#mac-access". How do I set up the tab to display only tweets with this keyword? >>> >>> Thanks! >>> >>> D?nal >>> D?nal Fitzpatrick >>> dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie >>> >>> >>> >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>> >>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>> . >>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From gordon at mac-access.net Thu Oct 13 16:18:55 2011 From: gordon at mac-access.net (Gordon Smith) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 16:18:55 +0100 Subject: Restoring Apps After Installation of iOS 5 In-Reply-To: <567DA4CA208A457AA8F02F6B6F677876@YOURZ8KUJVJGKY> References: <0LT000FH60D33LK1@vms173013.mailsrvcs.net><1D62CEC3-C62F-42CA-89C2-1739F95D8530@mac-access.net> <523170C3-5B4F-4477-9CAD-CE75A60530E1@verizon.net> <567DA4CA208A457AA8F02F6B6F677876@YOURZ8KUJVJGKY> Message-ID: <12C60872-49A2-450B-9F71-22A15C0FE2CD@mac-access.net> Hi Geoff OK, Some apps are not iOS5 compatible and that might be why. Gordon On 13 Oct 2011, at 14:44, Geoff Waaler wrote: Hi Matthew, I can confirm your findings -- the folders were retained, however none of my apps from the app store were copied to my 3GS upon upgrading IOS from 4.3.5 to 5. In itunes, I went into the apps tab under iPhone settings and noticed that the option to sync apps was not checked. I checked that and then *MOST* apps were restored, though not to their original folders. Oddly, a few recently added apps were still not there, but since my 4S is arriving tomorrow I decided to worry about it then :). I'm guessing that this is unique to the 3GS, and if that's your hardware, that would seem to validate my theory. HTH a little. Geoff ----- Original Message ----- From: matthew chao To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2011 8:27 AM Subject: Re: Restoring Apps After Installation of iOS 5 Hello all. The apps were not restored when i looked at all the pages and there were only two pages not three. What to do now? Matthew Chao Sent from my iPhone On Oct 13, 2011, at 7:05 AM, "Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith" wrote: > Hello Matthew > > If you had a backup on your computer you shouldn't need too. It's automatic. > > Lynne > > On 13 Oct 2011, at 10:43, Matthew Chao wrote: > > Hi, Folks! How do I restore the purchased apps after installing/upgrading to iOS 5? I backed up my phone, and transferred all purchased apps to my PC as instructed. now I wannt to reinstall them. Thanks for your help in advance. > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: or at the public Mail Archive: . Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: or at the public Mail Archive: . Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From juanitatighan at gmail.com Thu Oct 13 16:16:03 2011 From: juanitatighan at gmail.com (Jane) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 11:16:03 -0400 Subject: iPad Trouble In-Reply-To: <9798F468-1EB0-4459-A021-61D17C0734D2@mac-access.net> References: <9798F468-1EB0-4459-A021-61D17C0734D2@mac-access.net> Message-ID: Hi, Gordon. I did as you suggested, and I still get the same error. Worse, I can't figure out what a (1) means. Jane On Oct 13, 2011, at 8:58 AM, Gordon Smith wrote: > Jame > > Press and hold the sleep/home buttons at the same time for about 10 seconds. Then release the sleep button but keep the home button pressed. Plug the iPad into the machine with the home button pressed. After a few seconds release the home button. > > iTunes should tell you that it has found an iPad in recovery mode and offer you the chance to restore it. > > Gordon > > On 13 Oct 2011, at 13:41, Jane wrote: > > It's stuck in this recovery lop. How do I fix it? > > JaneTried to restore my iPad to default settings and got this error: > > The iPad ?iPad? could not be restored. An unknown error occurred (1). > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From lewiscrack at googlemail.com Thu Oct 13 16:29:08 2011 From: lewiscrack at googlemail.com (Lewis Crack) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 16:29:08 +0100 Subject: My iMessage contact In-Reply-To: References: <4E96A675.9020706@techno-chat.net> <80F63CAC-78C7-4D6A-8FBA-230564827040@googlemail.com> <5A36A0BE-4CB5-483E-923F-E5DF9D4C31C0@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <8C2B4D78-98E3-4826-893D-358638D0057B@googlemail.com> Hey. Yes, iMessage is awesome! It's very fast and one gets the messages instantly. It's a bit like IM> Chris, I will add you to my contacts as I will be using iMessage on my iPod touch and iPhone. Overall, I find iOS5 is brilliant. The voices are clearer and I find that I am able to hear them better. I have set mine to the Irish voice. Regards. Lewis. On 13 Oct 2011, at 15:09, Ian McNamara wrote: > o odd well feel free to send me one when ever you wish i had to set it up that way for some reason but it's working now as i exchanged messages with lewis it's really good quite immpressed and i've finely masterd the roter jesjure. got very stressed with my ipod last night updateing to i o s five. > On 13 Oct 2011, at 14:47, James AUSTIN wrote: > >> Hi Ian, >> >> I don't think you need to provide an E-Mail, as the IOS seems to know as I've already sent two iMessages today. >> >> TC :) >> James >> On 13 Oct 2011, at 14:27, Ian McNamara wrote: >> >>> hi mine is ianandriggs at googlemail.com feel free to messsage me. >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>> >>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>> . >>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From ianandriggs at googlemail.com Thu Oct 13 16:32:52 2011 From: ianandriggs at googlemail.com (Ian McNamara) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 16:32:52 +0100 Subject: My iMessage contact In-Reply-To: <8C2B4D78-98E3-4826-893D-358638D0057B@googlemail.com> References: <4E96A675.9020706@techno-chat.net> <80F63CAC-78C7-4D6A-8FBA-230564827040@googlemail.com> <5A36A0BE-4CB5-483E-923F-E5DF9D4C31C0@mac-access.net> <8C2B4D78-98E3-4826-893D-358638D0057B@googlemail.com> Message-ID: <3DAF6031-B9A3-49D8-941D-CD95982DC2EE@googlemail.com> I am using tessa the south african voice you add me if you wish any one i'm going to be using my ipod more offan as i want to get better at typing before i get an iphone. although i hope to get the four s so i can use siri smiley. Ian McNamara From doug.cam3 at gmail.com Thu Oct 13 16:47:28 2011 From: doug.cam3 at gmail.com (douglas rudolph) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 09:47:28 -0600 Subject: iCloud In-Reply-To: <2CA5776B-BC19-4EB9-9D05-374F7FE5D0A8@mac-access.net> References: <2CA5776B-BC19-4EB9-9D05-374F7FE5D0A8@mac-access.net> Message-ID: hey lynne, i really odn't know the whole deal, but the canadian government wasn't going to allow icloud to be used in canda, but so far it is working for me, but like you said, there is no media backing up... all that has backed up for me is my contacts, etc, no media This email may contain personal identifyable information. Copy, relay, redistributions, and or reading of these emails is strictly prohibited, unless you are the intended recipiant of this email, and this intended recipiant only. If this is not the intended recipiant, then you are requested to delete this message immediately and notify sender. Douglas Rudolph Tel: 1306-565-2056 Cell: 1306-450-0153 Email: doug.cam3 at gmail.com direct to my cel: doug.cam at me.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith" To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2011 5:19 AM Subject: iCloud > Hello everybody > > Just a guess at the moment, but it seems to be the case that iCloud > doesn't yet work regarding backing up the actual media content of your > iPhone/iPod/iPad. I say that because inspection of our iCloud account is > showing me that only 100MB of our allocated 55GB is currently in use. The > settings of our iPad, 2 iPhones and an iPod Touch 3rd Generation are all > backed up to the cloud and you'd think that, go ven the fact that we have > movies on all of the devices as well as books and music, there would be > more used space. > > Of course, it could be true that there's something turned off that should > be on; but I don't see it in the iCloud preference pane. Anybody else > noticing this? > > Lynne > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum > at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus > and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting > the list website at: > From chris.hallsworth at techno-chat.net Thu Oct 13 17:01:10 2011 From: chris.hallsworth at techno-chat.net (chris hallsworth) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 17:01:10 +0100 Subject: My iMessage contact In-Reply-To: <8C2B4D78-98E3-4826-893D-358638D0057B@googlemail.com> References: <4E96A675.9020706@techno-chat.net> <80F63CAC-78C7-4D6A-8FBA-230564827040@googlemail.com> <5A36A0BE-4CB5-483E-923F-E5DF9D4C31C0@mac-access.net> <8C2B4D78-98E3-4826-893D-358638D0057B@googlemail.com> Message-ID: <4E970B46.8070509@techno-chat.net> Awesome Lewis, let's get chatting! Lol! On 13/10/2011 16:29, Lewis Crack wrote: > Hey. > > Yes, iMessage is awesome! It's very fast and one gets the messages instantly. It's a bit like IM> > > Chris, I will add you to my contacts as I will be using iMessage on my iPod touch and iPhone. > Overall, I find iOS5 is brilliant. The voices are clearer and I find that I am able to hear them better. I have set mine to the Irish voice. > > Regards. > Lewis. > On 13 Oct 2011, at 15:09, Ian McNamara wrote: > >> o odd well feel free to send me one when ever you wish i had to set it up that way for some reason but it's working now as i exchanged messages with lewis it's really good quite immpressed and i've finely masterd the roter jesjure. got very stressed with my ipod last night updateing to i o s five. >> On 13 Oct 2011, at 14:47, James AUSTIN wrote: >> >>> Hi Ian, >>> >>> I don't think you need to provide an E-Mail, as the IOS seems to know as I've already sent two iMessages today. >>> >>> TC :) >>> James >>> On 13 Oct 2011, at 14:27, Ian McNamara wrote: >>> >>>> hi mine is ianandriggs at googlemail.com feel free to messsage me. >>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>>> >>>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>>> . >>>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>>> >>>> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>> >>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>> >>> >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>> >>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>> . >>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > > From marrie12 at gmail.com Thu Oct 13 17:02:13 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 09:02:13 -0700 Subject: yorofukuru query. In-Reply-To: <70A7463F-35AF-4A20-9DD2-04274951C011@gmail.com> References: <97C0B3BA-E44C-4F2B-AF21-59F0B4C0B4B0@computing.dcu.ie> <216811DE-1BB5-490A-B481-D4EA0CB3D238@googlemail.com> <70A7463F-35AF-4A20-9DD2-04274951C011@gmail.com> Message-ID: OH really? I use the filter function so none of it appears in my timeline when I set it up lol! I guess both methods work ey? Take care. On Oct 13, 2011, at 7:23 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: > Hi! > > Simply hit Command-P. This allows you to configure and add tabs with various amounts information, such as specific user timelines, keywords, regular expressions and so-forth. > > If you wish to set up a hash tag search, you can do it this way. > > 1) VO-right to the "Add" button. > 2) Enter a name for the hash tag. This doesn't have to be the search itself, but just a reminder of what it is. > 3) Now select the radio button that says "Twitter Advanced Search Tab Type" which is the third radio button when you VO-right. > 4) Now click "Create." or simply hit enter. > 5) Locate the table and select the new tab you created inside it. > 6) Vo-right and you should hear "Query string." This radio button is selected. Move passed them. > 7) When you find the unlabeled edit field, enter the tag you wish to search for. > 8) Simply click "Ok" now. Don't worry about the operators for now, you'll be fine. > > Now, another tab has been created. To switch tabs, hit command-right and left or use control-tab and shift tab to switch to next and previous tab. The tabs also employ realtime streaming, so the tabs update as tweets come through the public timeline. > > Regards, > Nic > On Oct 13, 2011, at 4:06 PM, Ian McNamara wrote: > >> yep thanks for asking this question i tried to follow a hash tag once and it did not work properly i could not see tweets in it so this is interesting for me to. >> >> Ian McNamara >> On 13 Oct 2011, at 14:20, D?nal Fitzpatrick wrote: >> >>> Right people, I'm having a brainless day here! >>> >>> Basically I want to set up a tab which simply displays all tweets with a certain hashtag. So let's pretend the tag is "#mac-access". How do I set up the tab to display only tweets with this keyword? >>> >>> Thanks! >>> >>> D?nal >>> D?nal Fitzpatrick >>> dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie >>> >>> >>> >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>> >>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>> . >>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From marrie12 at gmail.com Thu Oct 13 17:03:42 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 09:03:42 -0700 Subject: for those updating to IOS 5 In-Reply-To: References: <5B3C571D-B952-4CEB-B1C1-BA66DF321783@gmail.com> <67EFD6E0-87DC-4F5F-9302-C804AE46DF85@gmail.com> Message-ID: <6C7AC319-DD7B-49F1-9AA1-E4A30531EB0C@gmail.com> Actually we also got it working and the fix was simple. all he did was restart itunes and it restored. thanks all for your help. On Oct 12, 2011, at 9:15 PM, Zachary Kline wrote: > Hi Jane, > I'd suggest trying the restore again. Did you get an error message? In all likelihood Apple's servers were too busy and if you wait a while and give it another try things will work. > Best, > Zack. > On Oct 12, 2011, at 9:12 PM, Jane wrote: > >> My iPad is ... well ... >> >> I attempted to do the update twice. The first time it backed up and did not restore, but it came up talking again with iOs 4.3. The second time, it has tried to restore several times and has not come back talking. I unpluged it because this computer was getting hot. It is now plugged into a wall outlet. Suggestions for me to try in the morning welcome. >> >> Jane >> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From chris.hallsworth at techno-chat.net Thu Oct 13 17:09:28 2011 From: chris.hallsworth at techno-chat.net (chris hallsworth) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 17:09:28 +0100 Subject: Suggestion: skipping wifi setup during setup Message-ID: <4E970D38.7050303@techno-chat.net> Hello all. Is it a good idea to suggest to Apple to allow one to skip the wifi setup during setup of the iDevice? I mean, what if they want to use wifi later or they are in an area with no wifi coverage? I discovered to my horror that the next button is dimmed unless I join a wifi network. This is on the iPod Touch 4G. Thanks for any comments. From gordon at mac-access.net Thu Oct 13 17:18:52 2011 From: gordon at mac-access.net (Gordon Smith) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 17:18:52 +0100 Subject: voices in iOS five In-Reply-To: References: <51BA0E48-6431-4CE0-9227-8E25E7700964@gmail.com><439A797F-2D5A-41EC-BB83-D052BE5389D4@gmail.com><34607BB8-2043-4547-8F84-1F9B292E19A7@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <84475C75-DB7F-4659-A113-5EDE16EEE4E2@mac-access.net> Hi Geoff Over here, an elevator is referred to as a "Lift", so that terminology is correct. As for Daniel's "weird" accent, you obviously don't appreciate the English language as it's meant to be used. It's you Americans who are responsible for the destruction of proper "English". But don't get me started on that one or I'll definitely be in trouble from the list owner, (well, the other one at any rate), and the assistant list controllers for going off topic. :) But yes, i will try that tip with VoiceOver and let Lynne know if it works. If it doesn't, I'll tell her to blame you because you gave me the tip. . Just joking Geoff. Gordon On 13 Oct 2011, at 14:55, Geoff Waaler wrote: Hi Lynne, To add language to the main rotor, you would go to settings -> accessibility -> voiceover -> language Rotor and select more than one option. BTW, Daniel doesn't sound all that bad to me except that he has this weird accent and probably would refer to an elevator as a "lift" :). From chojiro1990 at gmail.com Thu Oct 13 17:21:11 2011 From: chojiro1990 at gmail.com (Nicolai Svendsen) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 18:21:11 +0200 Subject: yorofukuru query. In-Reply-To: References: <97C0B3BA-E44C-4F2B-AF21-59F0B4C0B4B0@computing.dcu.ie> <216811DE-1BB5-490A-B481-D4EA0CB3D238@googlemail.com> <70A7463F-35AF-4A20-9DD2-04274951C011@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi! Well, filtering makes it invisible to you, this method collects it in a tab from the Twitter public timeline. There's a big difference, as i'm sure you can tell. So, both methods work but different results. On Oct 13, 2011, at 6:02 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote: > OH really? I use the filter function so none of it appears in my timeline when I set it up lol! I guess both methods work ey? > > Take care. > On Oct 13, 2011, at 7:23 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: > >> Hi! >> >> Simply hit Command-P. This allows you to configure and add tabs with various amounts information, such as specific user timelines, keywords, regular expressions and so-forth. >> >> If you wish to set up a hash tag search, you can do it this way. >> >> 1) VO-right to the "Add" button. >> 2) Enter a name for the hash tag. This doesn't have to be the search itself, but just a reminder of what it is. >> 3) Now select the radio button that says "Twitter Advanced Search Tab Type" which is the third radio button when you VO-right. >> 4) Now click "Create." or simply hit enter. >> 5) Locate the table and select the new tab you created inside it. >> 6) Vo-right and you should hear "Query string." This radio button is selected. Move passed them. >> 7) When you find the unlabeled edit field, enter the tag you wish to search for. >> 8) Simply click "Ok" now. Don't worry about the operators for now, you'll be fine. >> >> Now, another tab has been created. To switch tabs, hit command-right and left or use control-tab and shift tab to switch to next and previous tab. The tabs also employ realtime streaming, so the tabs update as tweets come through the public timeline. >> >> Regards, >> Nic >> On Oct 13, 2011, at 4:06 PM, Ian McNamara wrote: >> >>> yep thanks for asking this question i tried to follow a hash tag once and it did not work properly i could not see tweets in it so this is interesting for me to. >>> >>> Ian McNamara >>> On 13 Oct 2011, at 14:20, D?nal Fitzpatrick wrote: >>> >>>> Right people, I'm having a brainless day here! >>>> >>>> Basically I want to set up a tab which simply displays all tweets with a certain hashtag. So let's pretend the tag is "#mac-access". How do I set up the tab to display only tweets with this keyword? >>>> >>>> Thanks! >>>> >>>> D?nal >>>> D?nal Fitzpatrick >>>> dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>>> >>>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>>> . >>>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>>> >>>> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>> >>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>> >>> >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>> >>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>> . >>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From gordon at mac-access.net Thu Oct 13 17:21:30 2011 From: gordon at mac-access.net (Gordon Smith) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 17:21:30 +0100 Subject: voices in iOS five In-Reply-To: References: <51BA0E48-6431-4CE0-9227-8E25E7700964@gmail.com><439A797F-2D5A-41EC-BB83-D052BE5389D4@gmail.com><34607BB8-2043-4547-8F84-1F9B292E19A7@mac-access.net> Message-ID: Well, I supposed he could always have been a Geordie ? so we must be thankful for small mercies! :-o On 13 Oct 2011, at 15:08, Chris Moore wrote: Daniel is awful, bud it could be worse, he could have a smoggy accent :p From jonathan.tyrer at gmail.com Thu Oct 13 17:24:15 2011 From: jonathan.tyrer at gmail.com (Jonathan Tyrer) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 17:24:15 +0100 Subject: voices in iOS five In-Reply-To: <84475C75-DB7F-4659-A113-5EDE16EEE4E2@mac-access.net> References: <51BA0E48-6431-4CE0-9227-8E25E7700964@gmail.com> <439A797F-2D5A-41EC-BB83-D052BE5389D4@gmail.com> <34607BB8-2043-4547-8F84-1F9B292E19A7@mac-access.net> <84475C75-DB7F-4659-A113-5EDE16EEE4E2@mac-access.net> Message-ID: Hi, I think this is what I did: Setting, General, Accessibility, voiceOver, Language Rotor. Then I just double-tapped on Australian English, Double-tapped on reorder and now I have three languages on my language rotor. Hoep this helps. Jonathan P.S. I'm not sure if the tapping on "reorder" was necessary or not. On 13/10/2011, Gordon Smith wrote: > Hi Geoff > > Over here, an elevator is referred to as a "Lift", so that terminology is > correct. As for Daniel's "weird" accent, you obviously don't appreciate the > English language as it's meant to be used. It's you Americans who are > responsible for the destruction of proper "English". But don't get me > started on that one or I'll definitely be in trouble from the list owner, > (well, the other one at any rate), and the assistant list controllers for > going off topic. :) > > But yes, i will try that tip with VoiceOver and let Lynne know if it works. > If it doesn't, I'll tell her to blame you because you gave me the tip. > . Just joking Geoff. > > Gordon > > On 13 Oct 2011, at 14:55, Geoff Waaler wrote: > > Hi Lynne, > > To add language to the main rotor, you would go to settings -> accessibility > -> voiceover -> language Rotor and select more than one option. BTW, Daniel > doesn't sound all that bad to me except that he has this weird accent and > probably would refer to an elevator as a "lift" :). > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at > either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus > and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting > the list website at: > > From gordon at mac-access.net Thu Oct 13 17:42:24 2011 From: gordon at mac-access.net (Gordon Smith) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 17:42:24 +0100 Subject: Strange Problem When YoruFukurou Is Runing Message-ID: <1EE4C28C-13D4-4D91-B75A-FA6F9865DB56@mac-access.net> Hi all Is anybody noticing that, while YoruFukurou (Night-Owl) is running, the cursor keys behave oddly? For some reason the unmodified arrow keys have suddenly started acting like a programme toggle. Pressing cursor down toggles between which ever apps are running at the time. That is what I am seeing anyway. Gordon From grtdane at internode.on.net Thu Oct 13 17:46:12 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2011 03:46:12 +1100 Subject: Strange Problem When YoruFukurou Is Runing In-Reply-To: <1EE4C28C-13D4-4D91-B75A-FA6F9865DB56@mac-access.net> References: <1EE4C28C-13D4-4D91-B75A-FA6F9865DB56@mac-access.net> Message-ID: I'm not seeing that here though I'm wondering whether it might be a focus issue, I mean usually with my copy I'm focused on the table, by default the timeline, when I move up or down with the arrow keys I consequently move up and down the table. Now I'm sure I played with some of the preferences in the application though tis some time since I did but I know I did Tweak a few settings to improve focus. On 14/10/2011, at 3:42 AM, Gordon Smith wrote: > Hi all > > Is anybody noticing that, while YoruFukurou (Night-Owl) is running, the cursor keys behave oddly? For some reason the unmodified arrow keys have suddenly started acting like a programme toggle. Pressing cursor down toggles between which ever apps are running at the time. That is what I am seeing anyway. > > Gordon > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From gordon at mac-access.net Thu Oct 13 17:46:36 2011 From: gordon at mac-access.net (Gordon Smith) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 17:46:36 +0100 Subject: I killed my Iphone! In-Reply-To: <54BD9E48-189C-45EE-A23D-1C0C32CD6FC0@me.com> References: <2CC716AB-E470-49FC-9073-0AC140A9B672@virginmedia.com> <433CAFB6-6D58-4574-9001-549D5C157EE1@mac-access.net> <54BD9E48-189C-45EE-A23D-1C0C32CD6FC0@me.com> Message-ID: <05EDFA5D-A9F5-4888-9ACF-7D6549BA5080@mac-access.net> Hi Bryan yes, iTunes does verify your phone with an Apple server before and after the update completion. It's so they know which individual models are where and what they are running, as far as I can tell. Gordon On 13 Oct 2011, at 16:02, Bryan Jones wrote: `i had a similar problem yesterday. ``my home internet access was down again (don't even get me started on the joys of `sprint `mobile `broadband), so I tethered my iphone figuring I could download the `ios upgrade via that connection, let it install, and by that time my Sprint internet would be back up. `well, the update downloaded and started the install process, but then after the phone rebooted `i got nothing. I tried all the standard recovery steps, but there was no way I could get itunes on my mac to add the iphone to the sources list. Eventually itunes started telling me I needed to have an internet connection to complete the process. sprint was and is still down here, so I went to bed, woke up early and walked to a starbucks hotspot, connected my MBA to the internet, attached my iphone, and voila! It was then able to complete the process. I did some googling and ```````as far as I can tell it seems as if apple requires itunes to talk to one of their servers at some po int during the update process after the update has been downloaded but before the phone has been restored. This essentially seems to mean that such an upgrade cannot be performed if your sole means of accessing the internet is through your tethered iphone. :-( Bryan On Oct 13, 2011, at 6:01 AM, Gordon Smith wrote: > Colin > > Why can't you just put it into recovery mode and recover it? > > Gordon > > On 12 Oct 2011, at 23:46, Red.Falcon wrote: > > Well folks! > I've managed to some how really muck up doing the update! > The Iphone had the same problems as others I went through the restore method and now the Iphone is dead it will not switch on and when I plug it into Itunes it does not appear! > So I've got to take a trip to my apple store tomorrow [Oh well thats life!] > Unless one of you know different! > All the best! > Colin > Qapla! > > Chegh chew jaj Vam jaj Kak > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: or at the public Mail Archive: . Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From gordon at mac-access.net Thu Oct 13 17:52:54 2011 From: gordon at mac-access.net (Gordon Smith) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 17:52:54 +0100 Subject: VO Query In-Reply-To: <9514E2B0-D333-412A-8317-1B820213341C@internode.on.net> References: <97C0B3BA-E44C-4F2B-AF21-59F0B4C0B4B0@computing.dcu.ie> <216811DE-1BB5-490A-B481-D4EA0CB3D238@googlemail.com> <70A7463F-35AF-4A20-9DD2-04274951C011@gmail.com> <9514E2B0-D333-412A-8317-1B820213341C@internode.on.net> Message-ID: <0FE4947A-4D2E-433F-9F06-0F58D4C2591B@mac-access.net> Could somebody please enlighten me as to where on my keyboard I may locate the "Vo-F@" key? I don't recall ever seeing such a key. This key was referenced in a reply to a message in response to Nic's recent post. ;-) Gordon Thank you. From gordon at mac-access.net Thu Oct 13 17:54:17 2011 From: gordon at mac-access.net (Gordon Smith) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 17:54:17 +0100 Subject: iPad Trouble In-Reply-To: References: <9798F468-1EB0-4459-A021-61D17C0734D2@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <300FC009-3568-4AAB-AA57-E0AB13E10710@mac-access.net> Hi Jane Do you have anybody locally with vision who could tell you what is happening on the iPad display? Gordon On 13 Oct 2011, at 16:16, Jane wrote: Hi, Gordon. I did as you suggested, and I still get the same error. Worse, I can't figure out what a (1) means. Jane On Oct 13, 2011, at 8:58 AM, Gordon Smith wrote: > Jame > > Press and hold the sleep/home buttons at the same time for about 10 seconds. Then release the sleep button but keep the home button pressed. Plug the iPad into the machine with the home button pressed. After a few seconds release the home button. > > iTunes should tell you that it has found an iPad in recovery mode and offer you the chance to restore it. > > Gordon > > On 13 Oct 2011, at 13:41, Jane wrote: > > It's stuck in this recovery lop. How do I fix it? > > JaneTried to restore my iPad to default settings and got this error: > > The iPad ?iPad? could not be restored. An unknown error occurred (1). > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: or at the public Mail Archive: . Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From jpanarese at mac-access.net Thu Oct 13 17:55:29 2011 From: jpanarese at mac-access.net (John Panarese) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 12:55:29 -0400 Subject: IOS5 kills Apple tv. In-Reply-To: <7B7DCA1D-6A04-499A-9AA7-BCC6E88C89D3@mac-access.net> References: <7B7DCA1D-6A04-499A-9AA7-BCC6E88C89D3@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <7021B0C0-D5D2-45C6-A9FE-64139E759E7E@mac-access.net> I had no problems with the update. I was told there was new software available and it took about ten minutes I guess. Then, I got the "what's new" information. God bless Apple. NHL Game Center Live has Finally come to Apple TV! Take Care John Panarese jpanarese at mac-access.net On Oct 13, 2011, at 6:07 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hello Geoff > > Ours has been using iOS5 (the Apple TV variant) for months now, without a hitch. > > But we updated it a different way so I'll try that now. > > Lynne > > On 13 Oct 2011, at 01:37, Geoff Waaler wrote: > > Greetings all, > > I have an Apple tv connected to my stereo via toslink. This afternoon I attempted to install the IOS5 update by going into settings -> general -> check for updates. The first time it appeared to hang on the update button, but when I selected it again, got a dialog asking whether I was sure I wanted to quit. So I let it go for a while and then heard Samantha from the other room. I came back in and found an okay button but could not ascertain what the message was (presumably the ubiquitous 3200 error). I again checked for updates and selected update. > > I let it go for hours but now my stereo only emits an unusual amount of static when Apple tv is active. Since it had been several hours I power cycled the apple tv but that had no affect -- I waited about two minutes but only heard the extra static. Also pressing buttons on the remote causes static. The device does appear to be on my network because its visible to Airfoil, and transmitting to Apple tv results in additional static. I double checked the cabling, though none of the hardware had been touched until I power cycled. I considered connecting via Ethernet, but decided that couldn't be a factor since the device is visible to the network. > > I checked Google but found nothing of interest. If noone here can offer a suggestion I suppose its time to call Apple? > > TIA for any/all ideas and best regards. > Geoff > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From weavermicha at googlemail.com Thu Oct 13 18:12:13 2011 From: weavermicha at googlemail.com (michael weaver) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 18:12:13 +0100 Subject: iCloud Message-ID: <4e971a67.e766e30a.54ec.724a@mx.google.com> i have not yet used i-cloud myself but i think while exploring my i-phone and the settings menu, some of the media types under the i-cloud settings were unchecked. From gordon at mac-access.net Thu Oct 13 18:10:15 2011 From: gordon at mac-access.net (Gordon Smith) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 18:10:15 +0100 Subject: Strange Problem When YoruFukurou Is Runing In-Reply-To: References: <1EE4C28C-13D4-4D91-B75A-FA6F9865DB56@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <089508BB-4183-4681-93E1-B645A0510680@mac-access.net> I'm seeing this issue 100% repro but only with this app. Logically, therefore, it has something to do with this application. Yes, it could be a focus issue but it's constant, so you'd think that if it's a global bug others would have seen it too. On 13 Oct 2011, at 17:46, Dane Trethowan wrote: I'm not seeing that here though I'm wondering whether it might be a focus issue, I mean usually with my copy I'm focused on the table, by default the timeline, when I move up or down with the arrow keys I consequently move up and down the table. Now I'm sure I played with some of the preferences in the application though tis some time since I did but I know I did Tweak a few settings to improve focus. On 14/10/2011, at 3:42 AM, Gordon Smith wrote: > Hi all > > Is anybody noticing that, while YoruFukurou (Night-Owl) is running, the cursor keys behave oddly? For some reason the unmodified arrow keys have suddenly started acting like a programme toggle. Pressing cursor down toggles between which ever apps are running at the time. That is what I am seeing anyway. > > Gordon > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: or at the public Mail Archive: . Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From doug.cam3 at gmail.com Thu Oct 13 18:13:35 2011 From: doug.cam3 at gmail.com (douglas rudolph) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 11:13:35 -0600 Subject: My iMessage contact In-Reply-To: <4E970B46.8070509@techno-chat.net> References: <4E96A675.9020706@techno-chat.net> <80F63CAC-78C7-4D6A-8FBA-230564827040@googlemail.com> <5A36A0BE-4CB5-483E-923F-E5DF9D4C31C0@mac-access.net> <8C2B4D78-98E3-4826-893D-358638D0057B@googlemail.com> <4E970B46.8070509@techno-chat.net> Message-ID: okay guys, this is a sad question coming from me, since i normally can figure this out... okay on my iphone im hooked up with a number etc, but i also have 2 email addresses on here... i have my icloud @me.com and my @gmail.com, which one does i message use?... does it use my apple ID, being my gmail one? or does it use my icloud one?... This email may contain personal identifyable information. Copy, relay, redistributions, and or reading of these emails is strictly prohibited, unless you are the intended recipiant of this email, and this intended recipiant only. If this is not the intended recipiant, then you are requested to delete this message immediately and notify sender. Douglas Rudolph Tel: 1306-565-2056 Cell: 1306-450-0153 Email: doug.cam3 at gmail.com direct to my cel: doug.cam at me.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "chris hallsworth" To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2011 10:01 AM Subject: Re: My iMessage contact > Awesome Lewis, let's get chatting! Lol! > > On 13/10/2011 16:29, Lewis Crack wrote: >> Hey. >> >> Yes, iMessage is awesome! It's very fast and one gets the messages >> instantly. It's a bit like IM> >> >> Chris, I will add you to my contacts as I will be using iMessage on my >> iPod touch and iPhone. >> Overall, I find iOS5 is brilliant. The voices are clearer and I find that >> I am able to hear them better. I have set mine to the Irish voice. >> >> Regards. >> Lewis. >> On 13 Oct 2011, at 15:09, Ian McNamara wrote: >> >>> o odd well feel free to send me one when ever you wish i had to set it >>> up that way for some reason but it's working now as i exchanged messages >>> with lewis it's really good quite immpressed and i've finely masterd the >>> roter jesjure. got very stressed with my ipod last night updateing to i >>> o s five. >>> On 13 Oct 2011, at 14:47, James AUSTIN wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Ian, >>>> >>>> I don't think you need to provide an E-Mail, as the IOS seems to know >>>> as I've already sent two iMessages today. >>>> >>>> TC :) >>>> James >>>> On 13 Oct 2011, at 14:27, Ian McNamara wrote: >>>> >>>>> hi mine is ianandriggs at googlemail.com feel free to messsage me. >>>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>>> >>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to >>>>> mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>> >>>>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access >>>>> forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>>>> >>>>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>>>> . >>>>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, >>>>> virus and worm-free! >>>>> >>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by >>>>> visiting the list website at: >>>>> >>>> >>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to >>>> mac-access at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access >>>> forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>>> >>>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>>> . >>>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>>> >>>> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, >>>> virus and worm-free! >>>> >>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by >>>> visiting the list website at: >>>> >>> >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to >>> mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access >>> forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>> >>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>> . >>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, >>> virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by >>> visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to >> mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum >> at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus >> and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by >> visiting the list website at: >> >> > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum > at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus > and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting > the list website at: > From chris.hallsworth at techno-chat.net Thu Oct 13 18:41:34 2011 From: chris.hallsworth at techno-chat.net (chris hallsworth) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 18:41:34 +0100 Subject: My iMessage contact In-Reply-To: References: <4E96A675.9020706@techno-chat.net> <80F63CAC-78C7-4D6A-8FBA-230564827040@googlemail.com> <5A36A0BE-4CB5-483E-923F-E5DF9D4C31C0@mac-access.net> <8C2B4D78-98E3-4826-893D-358638D0057B@googlemail.com> <4E970B46.8070509@techno-chat.net> Message-ID: <4E9722CE.8020100@techno-chat.net> iMessage appears to use your Apple ID. So does iCloud or so I thought. Hmm! On 13/10/2011 18:13, douglas rudolph wrote: > okay guys, this is a sad question coming from me, since i normally can > figure this out... okay on my iphone im hooked up with a number etc, but > i also have 2 email addresses on here... i have my icloud @me.com and my > @gmail.com, which one does i message use?... does it use my apple ID, > being my gmail one? or does it use my icloud one?... > This email may contain personal identifyable information. Copy, relay, > redistributions, and or reading of these emails is strictly prohibited, > unless you are the intended recipiant of this email, and this intended > recipiant only. If this is not the intended recipiant, then you are > requested to delete this message immediately and notify sender. > Douglas Rudolph > Tel: 1306-565-2056 > Cell: 1306-450-0153 > Email: doug.cam3 at gmail.com > direct to my cel: doug.cam at me.com > ----- Original Message ----- From: "chris hallsworth" > > To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" > Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2011 10:01 AM > Subject: Re: My iMessage contact > > >> Awesome Lewis, let's get chatting! Lol! >> >> On 13/10/2011 16:29, Lewis Crack wrote: >>> Hey. >>> >>> Yes, iMessage is awesome! It's very fast and one gets the messages >>> instantly. It's a bit like IM> >>> >>> Chris, I will add you to my contacts as I will be using iMessage on >>> my iPod touch and iPhone. >>> Overall, I find iOS5 is brilliant. The voices are clearer and I find >>> that I am able to hear them better. I have set mine to the Irish voice. >>> >>> Regards. >>> Lewis. >>> On 13 Oct 2011, at 15:09, Ian McNamara wrote: >>> >>>> o odd well feel free to send me one when ever you wish i had to set >>>> it up that way for some reason but it's working now as i exchanged >>>> messages with lewis it's really good quite immpressed and i've >>>> finely masterd the roter jesjure. got very stressed with my ipod >>>> last night updateing to i o s five. >>>> On 13 Oct 2011, at 14:47, James AUSTIN wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi Ian, >>>>> >>>>> I don't think you need to provide an E-Mail, as the IOS seems to >>>>> know as I've already sent two iMessages today. >>>>> >>>>> TC :) >>>>> James >>>>> On 13 Oct 2011, at 14:27, Ian McNamara wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> hi mine is ianandriggs at googlemail.com feel free to messsage me. >>>>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>>>> >>>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to >>>>>> mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>>> >>>>>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access >>>>>> forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>>>>> >>>>>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>>>>> . >>>>>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, >>>>>> Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>>>> >>>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by >>>>>> visiting the list website at: >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>>> >>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to >>>>> mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>> >>>>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access >>>>> forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>>>> >>>>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>>>> . >>>>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, >>>>> virus and worm-free! >>>>> >>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by >>>>> visiting the list website at: >>>>> >>>> >>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to >>>> mac-access at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access >>>> forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>>> >>>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>>> . >>>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>>> >>>> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, >>>> virus and worm-free! >>>> >>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by >>>> visiting the list website at: >>>> >>> >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to >>> mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access >>> forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>> >>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>> . >>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, >>> virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by >>> visiting the list website at: >>> >>> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to >> mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum >> at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, >> virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by >> visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum > at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, > virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by > visiting the list website at: > > From geoff.waaler at gmail.com Thu Oct 13 18:58:28 2011 From: geoff.waaler at gmail.com (Geoff Waaler) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 13:58:28 -0400 Subject: IOS5 kills Apple tv. References: <7B7DCA1D-6A04-499A-9AA7-BCC6E88C89D3@mac-access.net> <7021B0C0-D5D2-45C6-A9FE-64139E759E7E@mac-access.net> Message-ID: I assumed that was how it was suppose to work, but presumably because of yesterday's network overload something FUBARed during the update. My problem now is how to un-fubar it. Perhaps the next step is to connect to HDMI and ask a sightling what if anything is displayed. Best regards. Geoff ----- Original Message ----- From: John Panarese To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2011 12:55 PM Subject: Re: IOS5 kills Apple tv. I had no problems with the update. I was told there was new software available and it took about ten minutes I guess. Then, I got the "what's new" information. God bless Apple. NHL Game Center Live has Finally come to Apple TV! Take Care John Panarese jpanarese at mac-access.net On Oct 13, 2011, at 6:07 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hello Geoff > > Ours has been using iOS5 (the Apple TV variant) for months now, without a hitch. > > But we updated it a different way so I'll try that now. > > Lynne > > On 13 Oct 2011, at 01:37, Geoff Waaler wrote: > > Greetings all, > > I have an Apple tv connected to my stereo via toslink. This afternoon I attempted to install the IOS5 update by going into settings -> general -> check for updates. The first time it appeared to hang on the update button, but when I selected it again, got a dialog asking whether I was sure I wanted to quit. So I let it go for a while and then heard Samantha from the other room. I came back in and found an okay button but could not ascertain what the message was (presumably the ubiquitous 3200 error). I again checked for updates and selected update. > > I let it go for hours but now my stereo only emits an unusual amount of static when Apple tv is active. Since it had been several hours I power cycled the apple tv but that had no affect -- I waited about two minutes but only heard the extra static. Also pressing buttons on the remote causes static. The device does appear to be on my network because its visible to Airfoil, and transmitting to Apple tv results in additional static. I double checked the cabling, though none of the hardware had been touched until I power cycled. I considered connecting via Ethernet, but decided that couldn't be a factor since the device is visible to the network. > > I checked Google but found nothing of interest. If noone here can offer a suggestion I suppose its time to call Apple? > > TIA for any/all ideas and best regards. > Geoff > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: or at the public Mail Archive: . Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From jpanarese at mac-access.net Thu Oct 13 19:14:31 2011 From: jpanarese at mac-access.net (John Panarese) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 14:14:31 -0400 Subject: IOS5 kills Apple tv. In-Reply-To: References: <7B7DCA1D-6A04-499A-9AA7-BCC6E88C89D3@mac-access.net> <7021B0C0-D5D2-45C6-A9FE-64139E759E7E@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <59AE13E3-97A5-4529-96AF-A6FF9C326C9B@mac-access.net> There is a way of turning on VoiceOver without sighted assistance, but I don't remember the trick. I can take a look around to see if I still have the email if you need it. Take Care John Panarese jpanarese at mac-access.net On Oct 13, 2011, at 1:58 PM, Geoff Waaler wrote: > I assumed that was how it was suppose to work, but presumably because of yesterday's network overload something FUBARed during the update. My problem now is how to un-fubar it. Perhaps the next step is to connect to HDMI and ask a sightling what if anything is displayed. > > Best regards. > Geoff > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: John Panarese > To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility > Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2011 12:55 PM > Subject: Re: IOS5 kills Apple tv. > > > I had no problems with the update. I was told there was new software available and it took about ten minutes I guess. Then, I got the "what's new" information. God bless Apple. NHL Game Center Live has Finally come to Apple TV! > > Take Care > John Panarese > jpanarese at mac-access.net > > > > On Oct 13, 2011, at 6:07 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > >> Hello Geoff >> >> Ours has been using iOS5 (the Apple TV variant) for months now, without a hitch. >> >> But we updated it a different way so I'll try that now. >> >> Lynne >> >> On 13 Oct 2011, at 01:37, Geoff Waaler wrote: >> >> Greetings all, >> >> I have an Apple tv connected to my stereo via toslink. This afternoon I attempted to install the IOS5 update by going into settings -> general -> check for updates. The first time it appeared to hang on the update button, but when I selected it again, got a dialog asking whether I was sure I wanted to quit. So I let it go for a while and then heard Samantha from the other room. I came back in and found an okay button but could not ascertain what the message was (presumably the ubiquitous 3200 error). I again checked for updates and selected update. >> >> I let it go for hours but now my stereo only emits an unusual amount of static when Apple tv is active. Since it had been several hours I power cycled the apple tv but that had no affect -- I waited about two minutes but only heard the extra static. Also pressing buttons on the remote causes static. The device does appear to be on my network because its visible to Airfoil, and transmitting to Apple tv results in additional static. I double checked the cabling, though none of the hardware had been touched until I power cycled. I considered connecting via Ethernet, but decided that couldn't be a factor since the device is visible to the network. >> >> I checked Google but found nothing of interest. If noone here can offer a suggestion I suppose its time to call Apple? >> >> TIA for any/all ideas and best regards. >> Geoff >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From will.d.lomas at gmail.com Thu Oct 13 19:18:00 2011 From: will.d.lomas at gmail.com (william lomas) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 19:18:00 +0100 Subject: voices in iOS five In-Reply-To: References: <51BA0E48-6431-4CE0-9227-8E25E7700964@gmail.com> <439A797F-2D5A-41EC-BB83-D052BE5389D4@gmail.com> Message-ID: <02C2C112-1998-4764-9D72-39314591C121@gmail.com> how do i switch region? On Oct 12, 2011, at 9:18 PM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: > Hi! > > The voice changes by region, so if you are UK, you are stuck with United Kingdom Daniel, and you don't get other choices. Whichever voice is used as compact is the one you're going to have to stick with when downloading the premium voice. You can, however, switch to another region to change this, but note this also changes the date and time formatting, etc. > > I remember speaking with Lynne about this a few months back, and when she tried it apparently the iPhone was unable to change the setting because of the baseband. Whether this is still the case, I'm not sure, though I still can't understand why that would have to change when you switch regions. I personally have never had issues doing this. > > Regards, > Nic > On Oct 12, 2011, at 8:49 PM, Jonathan Tyrer wrote: > >> I read it downloads the Premium voice when your plugged into the mains >> - tried that? >> >> JT >> >> On 12/10/2011, william lomas wrote: >>> all I >>> can get is daniel >>> >>> On Oct 12, 2011, at 7:19 PM, Jonathan Tyrer wrote: >>> >>>> Not yet, but I'm glad the premium voice is her - I hate Daniel! >>>> >>>> JT >>>> >>>> On 12/10/2011, william lomas wrote: >>>>> hi has anyone gotten hq samantha here in the UK on ios five? >>>>> >>>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>>> >>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to >>>>> mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>> >>>>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum >>>>> at >>>>> either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>>>> >>>>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>>>> . >>>>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus >>>>> and worm-free! >>>>> >>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by >>>>> visiting >>>>> the list website at: >>>>> >>>>> >>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to >>>> mac-access at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum >>>> at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>>> >>>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>>> . >>>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>>> >>>> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus >>>> and worm-free! >>>> >>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting >>>> the list website at: >>>> >>> >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to >>> mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at >>> either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>> >>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>> . >>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus >>> and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting >>> the list website at: >>> >>> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From will.d.lomas at gmail.com Thu Oct 13 19:19:18 2011 From: will.d.lomas at gmail.com (william lomas) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 19:19:18 +0100 Subject: voices in iOS five In-Reply-To: References: <51BA0E48-6431-4CE0-9227-8E25E7700964@gmail.com> <439A797F-2D5A-41EC-BB83-D052BE5389D4@gmail.com> <34607BB8-2043-4547-8F84-1F9B292E19A7@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <857BC029-72A1-4B14-B220-68156A39DEBF@gmail.com> do you get the hq voices though or just compact in US On Oct 13, 2011, at 12:51 AM, Jonathan Tyrer wrote: > Why not try ading US English or whatever to the language rotor and > changeing it that way? I think that if you do that, there's no need > to mess around with the regional settings - mine switches happily > between British and US English voices on IOS 5. > > Best wishes. > > Jonathan > > On 12/10/2011, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: >> Hello Nic >> >> Yes, this is still the case. Change regions and you get kayos here. >> Everything goes absolutely mental and our carrier signal goes AWOL. >> >> Lynne >> >> On 12 Oct 2011, at 21:18, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: >> >> I remember speaking with Lynne about this a few months back, and when she >> tried it apparently the iPhone was unable to change the setting because of >> the baseband. Whether this is still the case, I'm not sure, though I still >> can't understand why that would have to change when you switch regions. I >> personally have never had issues doing this. >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to >> mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at >> either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus >> and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting >> the list website at: >> >> > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From will.d.lomas at gmail.com Thu Oct 13 19:22:37 2011 From: will.d.lomas at gmail.com (william lomas) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 19:22:37 +0100 Subject: voices in iOS five In-Reply-To: References: <51BA0E48-6431-4CE0-9227-8E25E7700964@gmail.com><439A797F-2D5A-41EC-BB83-D052BE5389D4@gmail.com><34607BB8-2043-4547-8F84-1F9B292E19A7@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <89FF8BB5-59EF-4BD5-A5E2-05CD1CDEC5CA@gmail.com> so all i have to do now is add US english, plug int he phone whilst asleep set it to US english as the language and leave it? On Oct 13, 2011, at 2:55 PM, Geoff Waaler wrote: > Hi Lynne, > > To add language to the main rotor, you would go to settings -> accessibility -> voiceover -> language Rotor and select more than one option. BTW, Daniel doesn't sound all that bad to me except that he has this weird accent and probably would refer to an elevator as a "lift" :). > > Best regards. > Geoff > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith > To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility > Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2011 6:05 AM > Subject: Re: voices in iOS five > > > hello Jonathan > > On 13 Oct 2011, at 00:51, Jonathan Tyrer wrote: > > Why not try ading US English or whatever to the language rotor and > changeing it that way? I think that if you do that, there's no need > to mess around with the regional settings - mine switches happily > between British and US English voices on IOS 5. > > That's very interesting actually because during the beta cycle developer support told us there was no way to change the voices without changing regional settings. > > Just so I don't mess up, can you describe how you added US English to the language rotar? > > Lynne > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From geoff.waaler at gmail.com Thu Oct 13 19:24:23 2011 From: geoff.waaler at gmail.com (Geoff Waaler) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 14:24:23 -0400 Subject: IOS5 kills Apple tv. References: <7B7DCA1D-6A04-499A-9AA7-BCC6E88C89D3@mac-access.net><7021B0C0-D5D2-45C6-A9FE-64139E759E7E@mac-access.net> <59AE13E3-97A5-4529-96AF-A6FF9C326C9B@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <6C765905AB8547F1B5CF9A2E8712DB0C@YOURZ8KUJVJGKY> That would be very helpful if you can find it. My theory is that it *is* turning on because it emits static when I press a button on the remote. It also emits static when I use it as a receiver in Airfoil. I thought I'd get a voiceover prompt by power cycling, but that hasn't done the trick. Probably time to call Apple, but the first step would be to try those instructions if you can find them and then connect via HDMI and learn what (if anything) the screen says. Best regards, Geoff ----- Original Message ----- From: John Panarese To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2011 2:14 PM Subject: Re: IOS5 kills Apple tv. There is a way of turning on VoiceOver without sighted assistance, but I don't remember the trick. I can take a look around to see if I still have the email if you need it. Take Care John Panarese jpanarese at mac-access.net On Oct 13, 2011, at 1:58 PM, Geoff Waaler wrote: > I assumed that was how it was suppose to work, but presumably because of yesterday's network overload something FUBARed during the update. My problem now is how to un-fubar it. Perhaps the next step is to connect to HDMI and ask a sightling what if anything is displayed. > > Best regards. > Geoff > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: John Panarese > To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility > Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2011 12:55 PM > Subject: Re: IOS5 kills Apple tv. > > > I had no problems with the update. I was told there was new software available and it took about ten minutes I guess. Then, I got the "what's new" information. God bless Apple. NHL Game Center Live has Finally come to Apple TV! > > Take Care > John Panarese > jpanarese at mac-access.net > > > > On Oct 13, 2011, at 6:07 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > >> Hello Geoff >> >> Ours has been using iOS5 (the Apple TV variant) for months now, without a hitch. >> >> But we updated it a different way so I'll try that now. >> >> Lynne >> >> On 13 Oct 2011, at 01:37, Geoff Waaler wrote: >> >> Greetings all, >> >> I have an Apple tv connected to my stereo via toslink. This afternoon I attempted to install the IOS5 update by going into settings -> general -> check for updates. The first time it appeared to hang on the update button, but when I selected it again, got a dialog asking whether I was sure I wanted to quit. So I let it go for a while and then heard Samantha from the other room. I came back in and found an okay button but could not ascertain what the message was (presumably the ubiquitous 3200 error). I again checked for updates and selected update. >> >> I let it go for hours but now my stereo only emits an unusual amount of static when Apple tv is active. Since it had been several hours I power cycled the apple tv but that had no affect -- I waited about two minutes but only heard the extra static. Also pressing buttons on the remote causes static. The device does appear to be on my network because its visible to Airfoil, and transmitting to Apple tv results in additional static. I double checked the cabling, though none of the hardware had been touched until I power cycled. I considered connecting via Ethernet, but decided that couldn't be a factor since the device is visible to the network. >> >> I checked Google but found nothing of interest. If noone here can offer a suggestion I suppose its time to call Apple? >> >> TIA for any/all ideas and best regards. >> Geoff >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: or at the public Mail Archive: . Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From marrie12 at gmail.com Thu Oct 13 19:30:02 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 11:30:02 -0700 Subject: Strange Problem When YoruFukurou Is Runing In-Reply-To: <089508BB-4183-4681-93E1-B645A0510680@mac-access.net> References: <1EE4C28C-13D4-4D91-B75A-FA6F9865DB56@mac-access.net> <089508BB-4183-4681-93E1-B645A0510680@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <276CEBC7-8377-4BCE-A417-29E02C8100D0@gmail.com> Nope not for me. My night owl works find and dandy. 100 percent of the time. Try reinstalling the app and seeing if that clears up the problem. You will hav to readd your account but that's easy enough to do. On Oct 13, 2011, at 10:10 AM, Gordon Smith wrote: > I'm seeing this issue 100% repro but only with this app. Logically, therefore, it has something to do with this application. Yes, it could be a focus issue but it's constant, so you'd think that if it's a global bug others would have seen it too. > > On 13 Oct 2011, at 17:46, Dane Trethowan wrote: > > I'm not seeing that here though I'm wondering whether it might be a focus issue, I mean usually with my copy I'm focused on the table, by default the timeline, when I move up or down with the arrow keys I consequently move up and down the table. > > Now I'm sure I played with some of the preferences in the application though tis some time since I did but I know I did Tweak a few settings to improve focus. > > > On 14/10/2011, at 3:42 AM, Gordon Smith wrote: > >> Hi all >> >> Is anybody noticing that, while YoruFukurou (Night-Owl) is running, the cursor keys behave oddly? For some reason the unmodified arrow keys have suddenly started acting like a programme toggle. Pressing cursor down toggles between which ever apps are running at the time. That is what I am seeing anyway. >> >> Gordon >> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From jpanarese at mac-access.net Thu Oct 13 19:35:02 2011 From: jpanarese at mac-access.net (John Panarese) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 14:35:02 -0400 Subject: IOS5 kills Apple tv. In-Reply-To: <6C765905AB8547F1B5CF9A2E8712DB0C@YOURZ8KUJVJGKY> References: <7B7DCA1D-6A04-499A-9AA7-BCC6E88C89D3@mac-access.net><7021B0C0-D5D2-45C6-A9FE-64139E759E7E@mac-access.net> <59AE13E3-97A5-4529-96AF-A6FF9C326C9B@mac-access.net> <6C765905AB8547F1B5CF9A2E8712DB0C@YOURZ8KUJVJGKY> Message-ID: Hi Geoff, OK, this is what I have. I don't know how well this will work, but this is from the accessibility people at Apple. If VoiceOver becomes disabled on your Apple TV, you can use these steps to enable VoiceOver again. 1. Press the Menu button (the smaller left button) ten times on your aluminum Apple remote to ensure that you are on a main menu screen. Each time you press a button, you should hear a confirmation tone. 2. Press the Right button, on the circular navigation button, four times to navigate to the Settings screen and press Select (the middle of the circular navigation button). 3. Press Select again to choose the General menu. 4. Press the Down button on the circular navigation button eleven times. This takes you to the Accessibility Menu. 5. Then press the Select button twice. This will select the VoiceOver option and enable it. You should hear VoiceOver become active. You can find the main Apple TV support page linked below. That page provides additional information about using the Apple TV. http://www.apple.com/support/appletv Take Care John Panarese jpanarese at mac-access.net On Oct 13, 2011, at 2:24 PM, Geoff Waaler wrote: > That would be very helpful if you can find it. My theory is that it *is* turning on because it emits static when I press a button on the remote. It also emits static when I use it as a receiver in Airfoil. I thought I'd get a voiceover prompt by power cycling, but that hasn't done the trick. > > Probably time to call Apple, but the first step would be to try those instructions if you can find them and then connect via HDMI and learn what (if anything) the screen says. > > Best regards, > Geoff > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: John Panarese > To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility > Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2011 2:14 PM > Subject: Re: IOS5 kills Apple tv. > > > There is a way of turning on VoiceOver without sighted assistance, but I don't remember the trick. I can take a look around to see if I still have the email if you need it. > > Take Care > John Panarese > jpanarese at mac-access.net > > > > On Oct 13, 2011, at 1:58 PM, Geoff Waaler wrote: > >> I assumed that was how it was suppose to work, but presumably because of yesterday's network overload something FUBARed during the update. My problem now is how to un-fubar it. Perhaps the next step is to connect to HDMI and ask a sightling what if anything is displayed. >> >> Best regards. >> Geoff >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: John Panarese >> To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility >> Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2011 12:55 PM >> Subject: Re: IOS5 kills Apple tv. >> >> >> I had no problems with the update. I was told there was new software available and it took about ten minutes I guess. Then, I got the "what's new" information. God bless Apple. NHL Game Center Live has Finally come to Apple TV! >> >> Take Care >> John Panarese >> jpanarese at mac-access.net >> >> >> >> On Oct 13, 2011, at 6:07 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: >> >>> Hello Geoff >>> >>> Ours has been using iOS5 (the Apple TV variant) for months now, without a hitch. >>> >>> But we updated it a different way so I'll try that now. >>> >>> Lynne >>> >>> On 13 Oct 2011, at 01:37, Geoff Waaler wrote: >>> >>> Greetings all, >>> >>> I have an Apple tv connected to my stereo via toslink. This afternoon I attempted to install the IOS5 update by going into settings -> general -> check for updates. The first time it appeared to hang on the update button, but when I selected it again, got a dialog asking whether I was sure I wanted to quit. So I let it go for a while and then heard Samantha from the other room. I came back in and found an okay button but could not ascertain what the message was (presumably the ubiquitous 3200 error). I again checked for updates and selected update. >>> >>> I let it go for hours but now my stereo only emits an unusual amount of static when Apple tv is active. Since it had been several hours I power cycled the apple tv but that had no affect -- I waited about two minutes but only heard the extra static. Also pressing buttons on the remote causes static. The device does appear to be on my network because its visible to Airfoil, and transmitting to Apple tv results in additional static. I double checked the cabling, though none of the hardware had been touched until I power cycled. I considered connecting via Ethernet, but decided that couldn't be a factor since the device is visible to the network. >>> >>> I checked Google but found nothing of interest. If noone here can offer a suggestion I suppose its time to call Apple? >>> >>> TIA for any/all ideas and best regards. >>> Geoff >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>> >>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>> . >>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >>> >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>> >>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>> . >>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From geoff.waaler at gmail.com Thu Oct 13 20:11:11 2011 From: geoff.waaler at gmail.com (Geoff Waaler) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 15:11:11 -0400 Subject: IOS5 kills Apple tv. References: <7B7DCA1D-6A04-499A-9AA7-BCC6E88C89D3@mac-access.net><7021B0C0-D5D2-45C6-A9FE-64139E759E7E@mac-access.net><59AE13E3-97A5-4529-96AF-A6FF9C326C9B@mac-access.net><6C765905AB8547F1B5CF9A2E8712DB0C@YOURZ8KUJVJGKY> Message-ID: <7680C69071E14EABABE656BC1BE8FCBD@YOURZ8KUJVJGKY> Hi John, Thanks much for the instructions. I seem to hear static in response to every button press. Just to rule out a miscommunication, I assume the larger button is in front of the two smaller ones? I only ask because what I think of as the right button seems a bit smaller than the left one. Well I tried it both ways to be sure. The other possibility is that the IOS5 instructions are not applicable, but I suspect that does not matter because this static was definitely introduced by my attempt to update. Thanks again. Geoff ----- Original Message ----- From: John Panarese To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2011 2:35 PM Subject: Re: IOS5 kills Apple tv. Hi Geoff, OK, this is what I have. I don't know how well this will work, but this is from the accessibility people at Apple. If VoiceOver becomes disabled on your Apple TV, you can use these steps to enable VoiceOver again. 1. Press the Menu button (the smaller left button) ten times on your aluminum Apple remote to ensure that you are on a main menu screen. Each time you press a button, you should hear a confirmation tone. 2. Press the Right button, on the circular navigation button, four times to navigate to the Settings screen and press Select (the middle of the circular navigation button). 3. Press Select again to choose the General menu. 4. Press the Down button on the circular navigation button eleven times. This takes you to the Accessibility Menu. 5. Then press the Select button twice. This will select the VoiceOver option and enable it. You should hear VoiceOver become active. You can find the main Apple TV support page linked below. That page provides additional information about using the Apple TV. http://www.apple.com/support/appletv Take Care John Panarese jpanarese at mac-access.net On Oct 13, 2011, at 2:24 PM, Geoff Waaler wrote: > That would be very helpful if you can find it. My theory is that it *is* turning on because it emits static when I press a button on the remote. It also emits static when I use it as a receiver in Airfoil. I thought I'd get a voiceover prompt by power cycling, but that hasn't done the trick. > > Probably time to call Apple, but the first step would be to try those instructions if you can find them and then connect via HDMI and learn what (if anything) the screen says. > > Best regards, > Geoff > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: John Panarese > To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility > Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2011 2:14 PM > Subject: Re: IOS5 kills Apple tv. > > > There is a way of turning on VoiceOver without sighted assistance, but I don't remember the trick. I can take a look around to see if I still have the email if you need it. > > Take Care > John Panarese > jpanarese at mac-access.net > > > > On Oct 13, 2011, at 1:58 PM, Geoff Waaler wrote: > >> I assumed that was how it was suppose to work, but presumably because of yesterday's network overload something FUBARed during the update. My problem now is how to un-fubar it. Perhaps the next step is to connect to HDMI and ask a sightling what if anything is displayed. >> >> Best regards. >> Geoff >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: John Panarese >> To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility >> Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2011 12:55 PM >> Subject: Re: IOS5 kills Apple tv. >> >> >> I had no problems with the update. I was told there was new software available and it took about ten minutes I guess. Then, I got the "what's new" information. God bless Apple. NHL Game Center Live has Finally come to Apple TV! >> >> Take Care >> John Panarese >> jpanarese at mac-access.net >> >> >> >> On Oct 13, 2011, at 6:07 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: >> >>> Hello Geoff >>> >>> Ours has been using iOS5 (the Apple TV variant) for months now, without a hitch. >>> >>> But we updated it a different way so I'll try that now. >>> >>> Lynne >>> >>> On 13 Oct 2011, at 01:37, Geoff Waaler wrote: >>> >>> Greetings all, >>> >>> I have an Apple tv connected to my stereo via toslink. This afternoon I attempted to install the IOS5 update by going into settings -> general -> check for updates. The first time it appeared to hang on the update button, but when I selected it again, got a dialog asking whether I was sure I wanted to quit. So I let it go for a while and then heard Samantha from the other room. I came back in and found an okay button but could not ascertain what the message was (presumably the ubiquitous 3200 error). I again checked for updates and selected update. >>> >>> I let it go for hours but now my stereo only emits an unusual amount of static when Apple tv is active. Since it had been several hours I power cycled the apple tv but that had no affect -- I waited about two minutes but only heard the extra static. Also pressing buttons on the remote causes static. The device does appear to be on my network because its visible to Airfoil, and transmitting to Apple tv results in additional static. I double checked the cabling, though none of the hardware had been touched until I power cycled. I considered connecting via Ethernet, but decided that couldn't be a factor since the device is visible to the network. >>> >>> I checked Google but found nothing of interest. If noone here can offer a suggestion I suppose its time to call Apple? >>> >>> TIA for any/all ideas and best regards. >>> Geoff >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>> >>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>> . >>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >>> >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>> >>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>> . >>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: or at the public Mail Archive: . Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From jpanarese at mac-access.net Thu Oct 13 20:21:59 2011 From: jpanarese at mac-access.net (John Panarese) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 15:21:59 -0400 Subject: IOS5 kills Apple tv. In-Reply-To: <7680C69071E14EABABE656BC1BE8FCBD@YOURZ8KUJVJGKY> References: <7B7DCA1D-6A04-499A-9AA7-BCC6E88C89D3@mac-access.net><7021B0C0-D5D2-45C6-A9FE-64139E759E7E@mac-access.net><59AE13E3-97A5-4529-96AF-A6FF9C326C9B@mac-access.net><6C765905AB8547F1B5CF9A2E8712DB0C@YOURZ8KUJVJGKY> <7680C69071E14EABABE656BC1BE8FCBD@YOURZ8KUJVJGKY> Message-ID: <3F0B69C3-9C38-4490-BF4F-F8FCD73B198E@mac-access.net> Hi Geoff, The larger button should be at the top of the remote. The left and right should be below that one. It does sound like you'll need to contact Apple if you are hearing static with every button press. Take Care John Panarese jpanarese at mac-access.net On Oct 13, 2011, at 3:11 PM, Geoff Waaler wrote: > Hi John, > > Thanks much for the instructions. I seem to hear static in response to every button press. Just to rule out a miscommunication, I assume the larger button is in front of the two smaller ones? I only ask because what I think of as the right button seems a bit smaller than the left one. Well I tried it both ways to be sure. The other possibility is that the IOS5 instructions are not applicable, but I suspect that does not matter because this static was definitely introduced by my attempt to update. > > Thanks again. > Geoff > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: John Panarese > To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility > Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2011 2:35 PM > Subject: Re: IOS5 kills Apple tv. > > > Hi Geoff, > OK, this is what I have. I don't know how well this will work, but this is from the accessibility people at Apple. > > > If VoiceOver becomes disabled on your Apple TV, you can use these steps to > enable VoiceOver again. > > 1. Press the Menu button (the smaller left button) ten times on your > aluminum Apple remote to ensure that you are on a main menu screen. Each > time you press a button, you should hear a confirmation tone. > 2. Press the Right button, on the circular navigation button, four > times to navigate to the Settings screen and press Select (the middle of the > circular navigation button). > 3. Press Select again to choose the General menu. > 4. Press the Down button on the circular navigation button eleven > times. This takes you to the Accessibility Menu. > 5. Then press the Select button twice. This will select the VoiceOver > option and enable it. > > You should hear VoiceOver become active. > > You can find the main Apple TV support page linked below. That page provides > additional information about using the Apple TV. > > > > http://www.apple.com/support/appletv > > > Take Care > John Panarese > jpanarese at mac-access.net > > > > On Oct 13, 2011, at 2:24 PM, Geoff Waaler wrote: > >> That would be very helpful if you can find it. My theory is that it *is* turning on because it emits static when I press a button on the remote. It also emits static when I use it as a receiver in Airfoil. I thought I'd get a voiceover prompt by power cycling, but that hasn't done the trick. >> >> Probably time to call Apple, but the first step would be to try those instructions if you can find them and then connect via HDMI and learn what (if anything) the screen says. >> >> Best regards, >> Geoff >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: John Panarese >> To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility >> Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2011 2:14 PM >> Subject: Re: IOS5 kills Apple tv. >> >> >> There is a way of turning on VoiceOver without sighted assistance, but I don't remember the trick. I can take a look around to see if I still have the email if you need it. >> >> Take Care >> John Panarese >> jpanarese at mac-access.net >> >> >> >> On Oct 13, 2011, at 1:58 PM, Geoff Waaler wrote: >> >>> I assumed that was how it was suppose to work, but presumably because of yesterday's network overload something FUBARed during the update. My problem now is how to un-fubar it. Perhaps the next step is to connect to HDMI and ask a sightling what if anything is displayed. >>> >>> Best regards. >>> Geoff >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: John Panarese >>> To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility >>> Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2011 12:55 PM >>> Subject: Re: IOS5 kills Apple tv. >>> >>> >>> I had no problems with the update. I was told there was new software available and it took about ten minutes I guess. Then, I got the "what's new" information. God bless Apple. NHL Game Center Live has Finally come to Apple TV! >>> >>> Take Care >>> John Panarese >>> jpanarese at mac-access.net >>> >>> >>> >>> On Oct 13, 2011, at 6:07 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: >>> >>>> Hello Geoff >>>> >>>> Ours has been using iOS5 (the Apple TV variant) for months now, without a hitch. >>>> >>>> But we updated it a different way so I'll try that now. >>>> >>>> Lynne >>>> >>>> On 13 Oct 2011, at 01:37, Geoff Waaler wrote: >>>> >>>> Greetings all, >>>> >>>> I have an Apple tv connected to my stereo via toslink. This afternoon I attempted to install the IOS5 update by going into settings -> general -> check for updates. The first time it appeared to hang on the update button, but when I selected it again, got a dialog asking whether I was sure I wanted to quit. So I let it go for a while and then heard Samantha from the other room. I came back in and found an okay button but could not ascertain what the message was (presumably the ubiquitous 3200 error). I again checked for updates and selected update. >>>> >>>> I let it go for hours but now my stereo only emits an unusual amount of static when Apple tv is active. Since it had been several hours I power cycled the apple tv but that had no affect -- I waited about two minutes but only heard the extra static. Also pressing buttons on the remote causes static. The device does appear to be on my network because its visible to Airfoil, and transmitting to Apple tv results in additional static. I double checked the cabling, though none of the hardware had been touched until I power cycled. I considered connecting via Ethernet, but decided that couldn't be a factor since the device is visible to the network. >>>> >>>> I checked Google but found nothing of interest. If noone here can offer a suggestion I suppose its time to call Apple? >>>> >>>> TIA for any/all ideas and best regards. >>>> Geoff >>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>>> >>>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>>> . >>>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>>> >>>> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>> >>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>> >>>> >>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>>> >>>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>>> . >>>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>>> >>>> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>> >>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>> >>> >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>> >>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>> . >>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>> >>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>> . >>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From hopewell at hopewell.org.uk Thu Oct 13 20:35:08 2011 From: hopewell at hopewell.org.uk (Paul Hopewell) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 20:35:08 +0100 Subject: Touch typing in IOS 5 Message-ID: Hello, Can someone please remind me how to turn on touch typing on the iPhone in IOS 5? That is the method whereby you slide your finger across the virtual keyboard to find the desired character and then lift your finger off to enter that character. This setting was lost after upgrade to IO 5 and I cannot find it in the settings menu. Many thanks. Paul Hopewell From zkline at speedpost.net Thu Oct 13 20:41:27 2011 From: zkline at speedpost.net (Zachary Kline) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 12:41:27 -0700 Subject: Touch typing in IOS 5 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <97507D74-076F-47F9-AD9D-CA450D30340D@speedpost.net> Hi Paul, It's a roter setting, typing mode. Best, Zack. On Oct 13, 2011, at 12:35 PM, Paul Hopewell wrote: > Hello, > Can someone please remind me how to turn on touch typing on the iPhone in IOS 5? That is the method whereby you slide your finger across the virtual keyboard to find the desired character and then lift your finger off to enter that character. This setting was lost after upgrade to IO 5 and I cannot find it in the settings menu. > Many thanks. > > Paul Hopewell > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From hopewell at hopewell.org.uk Thu Oct 13 20:53:32 2011 From: hopewell at hopewell.org.uk (Paul Hopewell) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 20:53:32 +0100 Subject: Touch typing in IOS 5 In-Reply-To: <97507D74-076F-47F9-AD9D-CA450D30340D@speedpost.net> References: <97507D74-076F-47F9-AD9D-CA450D30340D@speedpost.net> Message-ID: Hi Zac, Can you please clarify. If I use the gesture to turn the rota I hear characters, words, heading and language but not typing mode. This is on an iPhone 3GS. Paul On 13 Oct 2011, at 20:41, Zachary Kline wrote: > Hi Paul, > It's a roter setting, typing mode. > Best, > Zack. > On Oct 13, 2011, at 12:35 PM, Paul Hopewell wrote: > >> Hello, >> Can someone please remind me how to turn on touch typing on the iPhone in IOS 5? That is the method whereby you slide your finger across the virtual keyboard to find the desired character and then lift your finger off to enter that character. This setting was lost after upgrade to IO 5 and I cannot find it in the settings menu. >> Many thanks. >> >> Paul Hopewell >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > > From gordon-and-lynne at mac-access.co.uk Thu Oct 13 20:54:43 2011 From: gordon-and-lynne at mac-access.co.uk (Gordon & Lynne) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 20:54:43 +0100 Subject: 1Password for iPad, iPhone & iPod Touch Message-ID: Hello everybody Would or could some kind soul tell me whether or not 1Password for iPad and iPhone is currently accessible and, if so, to what degree? I'm just thinking that, if possible, we may as well have all of our devices synchronised and that would seem to be the most logical way of doing it. Thank you very much indeed for any assistance. Lynne ------------------------------ This message was sent from our iPad. ------------------------------ From zkline at speedpost.net Thu Oct 13 20:57:27 2011 From: zkline at speedpost.net (Zachary Kline) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 12:57:27 -0700 Subject: Touch typing in IOS 5 In-Reply-To: References: <97507D74-076F-47F9-AD9D-CA450D30340D@speedpost.net> Message-ID: Hi Paul, I believe you first need to get to an edit field with a keyboard before you'll find the typing mode setting. Best, Zack. On Oct 13, 2011, at 12:53 PM, Paul Hopewell wrote: > Hi Zack, > Can you please clarify. If I use the gesture to turn the rota I hear characters, words, heading and language but not typing mode. This is on an iPhone 3GS. > Paul > On 13 Oct 2011, at 20:41, Zachary Kline wrote: > >> Hi Paul, >> It's a roter setting, typing mode. >> Best, >> Zack. >> On Oct 13, 2011, at 12:35 PM, Paul Hopewell wrote: >> >>> Hello, >>> Can someone please remind me how to turn on touch typing on the iPhone in IOS 5? That is the method whereby you slide your finger across the virtual keyboard to find the desired character and then lift your finger off to enter that character. This setting was lost after upgrade to IO 5 and I cannot find it in the settings menu. >>> Many thanks. >>> >>> Paul Hopewell >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>> >>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>> . >>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From hopewell at hopewell.org.uk Thu Oct 13 21:01:11 2011 From: hopewell at hopewell.org.uk (Paul Hopewell) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 21:01:11 +0100 Subject: Touch typing in IOS 5 In-Reply-To: References: <97507D74-076F-47F9-AD9D-CA450D30340D@speedpost.net> Message-ID: <19315961-D308-4A56-82C8-7C25FB6ACCF7@hopewell.org.uk> Hi Zack, Yes thats it. After opening an edit box and using the rota gesture I did see typing mode and was able to set it as desired. Many thanks for your help. Paul On 13 Oct 2011, at 20:57, Zachary Kline wrote: > Hi Paul, > I believe you first need to get to an edit field with a keyboard before you'll find the typing mode setting. > Best, > Zack. > On Oct 13, 2011, at 12:53 PM, Paul Hopewell wrote: > >> Hi Zack, >> Can you please clarify. If I use the gesture to turn the rota I hear characters, words, heading and language but not typing mode. This is on an iPhone 3GS. >> Paul >> On 13 Oct 2011, at 20:41, Zachary Kline wrote: >> >>> Hi Paul, >>> It's a roter setting, typing mode. >>> Best, >>> Zack. >>> On Oct 13, 2011, at 12:35 PM, Paul Hopewell wrote: >>> >>>> Hello, >>>> Can someone please remind me how to turn on touch typing on the iPhone in IOS 5? That is the method whereby you slide your finger across the virtual keyboard to find the desired character and then lift your finger off to enter that character. This setting was lost after upgrade to IO 5 and I cannot find it in the settings menu. >>>> Many thanks. >>>> >>>> Paul Hopewell >>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>>> >>>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>>> . >>>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>>> >>>> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>> >>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>> >>> >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>> >>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>> . >>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >>> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > > From jonathan.tyrer at gmail.com Thu Oct 13 21:04:13 2011 From: jonathan.tyrer at gmail.com (Jonathan Tyrer) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 21:04:13 +0100 Subject: voices in iOS five In-Reply-To: <89FF8BB5-59EF-4BD5-A5E2-05CD1CDEC5CA@gmail.com> References: <51BA0E48-6431-4CE0-9227-8E25E7700964@gmail.com> <439A797F-2D5A-41EC-BB83-D052BE5389D4@gmail.com> <34607BB8-2043-4547-8F84-1F9B292E19A7@mac-access.net> <89FF8BB5-59EF-4BD5-A5E2-05CD1CDEC5CA@gmail.com> Message-ID: I defo have both versions of at least the British and US English voices - not looked to see if I have the other one though. JT On 13/10/2011, william lomas wrote: > so all i have to do now is add US english, plug int he phone whilst asleep > set it to US english as the language and leave it? > > On Oct 13, 2011, at 2:55 PM, Geoff Waaler wrote: > >> Hi Lynne, >> >> To add language to the main rotor, you would go to settings -> >> accessibility -> voiceover -> language Rotor and select more than one >> option. BTW, Daniel doesn't sound all that bad to me except that he has >> this weird accent and probably would refer to an elevator as a "lift" :). >> >> Best regards. >> Geoff >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith >> To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility >> Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2011 6:05 AM >> Subject: Re: voices in iOS five >> >> >> hello Jonathan >> >> On 13 Oct 2011, at 00:51, Jonathan Tyrer wrote: >> >> Why not try ading US English or whatever to the language rotor and >> changeing it that way? I think that if you do that, there's no need >> to mess around with the regional settings - mine switches happily >> between British and US English voices on IOS 5. >> >> That's very interesting actually because during the beta cycle developer >> support told us there was no way to change the voices without changing >> regional settings. >> >> Just so I don't mess up, can you describe how you added US English to the >> language rotar? >> >> Lynne >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to >> mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum >> at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus >> and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by >> visiting the list website at: >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to >> mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum >> at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus >> and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting >> the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at > either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus > and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting > the list website at: > > From dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie Thu Oct 13 21:20:29 2011 From: dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie (=?iso-8859-1?Q?D=F3nal_Fitzpatrick?=) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 21:20:29 +0100 Subject: downloading premium voices. Message-ID: Hi All, Ok so if I've got this right, as soon as I plug my i-device into an AC power outlet and assuming it's on a WIFI network, I'm going to get a premium voice. As I may have mentioned before, the oirish one is possibly the worst example of concatenative speech synthesis I've come across in years. So, bluntly, is there a way to prevent apple's nanny-state giving me a premium voice I don't want, and using up valuable band-width I don't want to waste. Thanks. D?nal D?nal Fitzpatrick dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie From grtdane at internode.on.net Thu Oct 13 21:39:25 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2011 07:39:25 +1100 Subject: Strange Problem When YoruFukurou Is Runing In-Reply-To: <089508BB-4183-4681-93E1-B645A0510680@mac-access.net> References: <1EE4C28C-13D4-4D91-B75A-FA6F9865DB56@mac-access.net> <089508BB-4183-4681-93E1-B645A0510680@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <4E974C7D.8020700@internode.on.net> Its the first time I've heard of a problem like this, I did have a problem with the software where the position of VO meant absollutely nothing to the position of the cursor in the timeline table, whether that problem still exists I don't know but I've been navigating with the cursor keys directly ever since this avoiding it if its still there. There have been at least 8 updates since I recall discussing the problem on Twitter with Nic who seems to know more about the software then the rest of the list put together . On 14/10/2011 4:10 AM, Gordon Smith wrote: > I'm seeing this issue 100% repro but only with this app. Logically, therefore, it has something to do with this application. Yes, it could be a focus issue but it's constant, so you'd think that if it's a global bug others would have seen it too. > > On 13 Oct 2011, at 17:46, Dane Trethowan wrote: > > I'm not seeing that here though I'm wondering whether it might be a focus issue, I mean usually with my copy I'm focused on the table, by default the timeline, when I move up or down with the arrow keys I consequently move up and down the table. > > Now I'm sure I played with some of the preferences in the application though tis some time since I did but I know I did Tweak a few settings to improve focus. > > > On 14/10/2011, at 3:42 AM, Gordon Smith wrote: > >> Hi all >> >> Is anybody noticing that, while YoruFukurou (Night-Owl) is running, the cursor keys behave oddly? For some reason the unmodified arrow keys have suddenly started acting like a programme toggle. Pressing cursor down toggles between which ever apps are running at the time. That is what I am seeing anyway. >> >> Gordon >> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > -- Dane Trethowan Sending email from his EEEPC Netbook From grtdane at internode.on.net Thu Oct 13 21:41:28 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2011 07:41:28 +1100 Subject: IOS5 kills Apple tv. In-Reply-To: References: <7B7DCA1D-6A04-499A-9AA7-BCC6E88C89D3@mac-access.net> <7021B0C0-D5D2-45C6-A9FE-64139E759E7E@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <4E974CF8.9050706@internode.on.net> Yep, that's the alternative I'll be trying, where's a pair of eyes when you need them . On 14/10/2011 4:58 AM, Geoff Waaler wrote: > I assumed that was how it was suppose to work, but presumably because of yesterday's network overload something FUBARed during the update. My problem now is how to un-fubar it. Perhaps the next step is to connect to HDMI and ask a sightling what if anything is displayed. > > Best regards. > Geoff > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: John Panarese > To: Mac OSX& iOS Accessibility > Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2011 12:55 PM > Subject: Re: IOS5 kills Apple tv. > > > I had no problems with the update. I was told there was new software available and it took about ten minutes I guess. Then, I got the "what's new" information. God bless Apple. NHL Game Center Live has Finally come to Apple TV! > > Take Care > John Panarese > jpanarese at mac-access.net > > > > On Oct 13, 2011, at 6:07 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > > > Hello Geoff > > > > Ours has been using iOS5 (the Apple TV variant) for months now, without a hitch. > > > > But we updated it a different way so I'll try that now. > > > > Lynne > > > > On 13 Oct 2011, at 01:37, Geoff Waaler wrote: > > > > Greetings all, > > > > I have an Apple tv connected to my stereo via toslink. This afternoon I attempted to install the IOS5 update by going into settings -> general -> check for updates. The first time it appeared to hang on the update button, but when I selected it again, got a dialog asking whether I was sure I wanted to quit. So I let it go for a while and then heard Samantha from the other room. I came back in and found an okay button but could not ascertain what the message was (presumably the ubiquitous 3200 error). I again checked for updates and selected update. > > > > I let it go for hours but now my stereo only emits an unusual amount of static when Apple tv is active. Since it had been several hours I power cycled the apple tv but that had no affect -- I waited about two minutes but only heard the extra static. Also pressing buttons on the remote causes static. The device does appear to be on my network because its visible to Airfoil, and transmitting to Apple tv results in additional static. I double checked the cabling, though none of the hardware had been touched until I power cycled. I considered connecting via Ethernet, but decided that couldn't be a factor since the device is visible to the network. > > > > I checked Google but found nothing of interest. If noone here can offer a suggestion I suppose its time to call Apple? > > > > TIA for any/all ideas and best regards. > > Geoff > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > > > or at the public Mail Archive: > > . > > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > > > > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > > > or at the public Mail Archive: > > . > > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > -- Dane Trethowan Sending email from his EEEPC Netbook From dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie Thu Oct 13 21:41:10 2011 From: dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie (=?iso-8859-1?Q?D=F3nal_Fitzpatrick?=) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 21:41:10 +0100 Subject: Strange Problem When YoruFukurou Is Runing In-Reply-To: <4E974C7D.8020700@internode.on.net> References: <1EE4C28C-13D4-4D91-B75A-FA6F9865DB56@mac-access.net> <089508BB-4183-4681-93E1-B645A0510680@mac-access.net> <4E974C7D.8020700@internode.on.net> Message-ID: <00166008-E1D1-47BA-9B72-BA3CC750B740@computing.dcu.ie> The only issue I have with the software is that if I jump to the end of a timeline VO doesn't read the entire tweet. I have to interact with the text of the tweet with VO to read it. I'm trying to isolate where this kicks in but haven't as yet done so. On 13 Oct 2011, at 21:39, Dane Trethowan wrote: > Its the first time I've heard of a problem like this, I did have a problem with the software where the position of VO meant absollutely nothing to the position of the cursor in the timeline table, whether that problem still exists I don't know but I've been navigating with the cursor keys directly ever since this avoiding it if its still there. > > There have been at least 8 updates since I recall discussing the problem on Twitter with Nic who seems to know more about the software then the rest of the list put together . > > > > On 14/10/2011 4:10 AM, Gordon Smith wrote: >> I'm seeing this issue 100% repro but only with this app. Logically, therefore, it has something to do with this application. Yes, it could be a focus issue but it's constant, so you'd think that if it's a global bug others would have seen it too. >> >> On 13 Oct 2011, at 17:46, Dane Trethowan wrote: >> >> I'm not seeing that here though I'm wondering whether it might be a focus issue, I mean usually with my copy I'm focused on the table, by default the timeline, when I move up or down with the arrow keys I consequently move up and down the table. >> >> Now I'm sure I played with some of the preferences in the application though tis some time since I did but I know I did Tweak a few settings to improve focus. >> >> >> On 14/10/2011, at 3:42 AM, Gordon Smith wrote: >> >>> Hi all >>> >>> Is anybody noticing that, while YoruFukurou (Night-Owl) is running, the cursor keys behave oddly? For some reason the unmodified arrow keys have suddenly started acting like a programme toggle. Pressing cursor down toggles between which ever apps are running at the time. That is what I am seeing anyway. >>> >>> Gordon >>> >>> >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>> >>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>> . >>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > -- > Dane Trethowan > Sending email from his EEEPC Netbook > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > D?nal Fitzpatrick dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie From will.d.lomas at gmail.com Thu Oct 13 21:45:53 2011 From: will.d.lomas at gmail.com (william lomas) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 21:45:53 +0100 Subject: found this video Message-ID: here is a conversation with siri. wolfram alpha it seems displays images so not sure if we can read them and the program doesn't seem that good as of yet as it can't read emails to us on the move but here is a video showing it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5mNcnj2l6RE From grtdane at internode.on.net Thu Oct 13 21:47:04 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2011 07:47:04 +1100 Subject: IOS5 kills Apple tv. In-Reply-To: <59AE13E3-97A5-4529-96AF-A6FF9C326C9B@mac-access.net> References: <7B7DCA1D-6A04-499A-9AA7-BCC6E88C89D3@mac-access.net> <7021B0C0-D5D2-45C6-A9FE-64139E759E7E@mac-access.net> <59AE13E3-97A5-4529-96AF-A6FF9C326C9B@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <4E974E48.3090500@internode.on.net> Yes, I remember seeeing posts on this but I think it may have just been a rumour? I've never known anyone to be able to get that command to work. I think the issue is deeper than that though, there's no sound at all coming from my Apple TV meaning that usually when you press a button on the remote control the Apple TV gives off a sound or click, now whether that's the default or not I don't remember but supposing there's no sound at all for whatever reason then it may follow that Voiceover may not be heard at all either? I'm not saying this is the case, just my thoughts so I'm just going to wait until I can get some assistance to see exactly what's happening on the screen thus allowing me to get on with solving more pressing problems and completing other projects . On 14/10/2011 5:14 AM, John Panarese wrote: > There is a way of turning on VoiceOver without sighted assistance, but I don't remember the trick. I can take a look around to see if I still have the email if you need it. > > Take Care > John Panarese > jpanarese at mac-access.net > > > > On Oct 13, 2011, at 1:58 PM, Geoff Waaler wrote: > >> I assumed that was how it was suppose to work, but presumably because of yesterday's network overload something FUBARed during the update. My problem now is how to un-fubar it. Perhaps the next step is to connect to HDMI and ask a sightling what if anything is displayed. >> >> Best regards. >> Geoff >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: John Panarese >> To: Mac OSX& iOS Accessibility >> Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2011 12:55 PM >> Subject: Re: IOS5 kills Apple tv. >> >> >> I had no problems with the update. I was told there was new software available and it took about ten minutes I guess. Then, I got the "what's new" information. God bless Apple. NHL Game Center Live has Finally come to Apple TV! >> >> Take Care >> John Panarese >> jpanarese at mac-access.net >> >> >> >> On Oct 13, 2011, at 6:07 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: >> >>> Hello Geoff >>> >>> Ours has been using iOS5 (the Apple TV variant) for months now, without a hitch. >>> >>> But we updated it a different way so I'll try that now. >>> >>> Lynne >>> >>> On 13 Oct 2011, at 01:37, Geoff Waaler wrote: >>> >>> Greetings all, >>> >>> I have an Apple tv connected to my stereo via toslink. This afternoon I attempted to install the IOS5 update by going into settings -> general -> check for updates. The first time it appeared to hang on the update button, but when I selected it again, got a dialog asking whether I was sure I wanted to quit. So I let it go for a while and then heard Samantha from the other room. I came back in and found an okay button but could not ascertain what the message was (presumably the ubiquitous 3200 error). I again checked for updates and selected update. >>> >>> I let it go for hours but now my stereo only emits an unusual amount of static when Apple tv is active. Since it had been several hours I power cycled the apple tv but that had no affect -- I waited about two minutes but only heard the extra static. Also pressing buttons on the remote causes static. The device does appear to be on my network because its visible to Airfoil, and transmitting to Apple tv results in additional static. I double checked the cabling, though none of the hardware had been touched until I power cycled. I considered connecting via Ethernet, but decided that couldn't be a factor since the device is visible to the network. >>> >>> I checked Google but found nothing of interest. If noone here can offer a suggestion I suppose its time to call Apple? >>> >>> TIA for any/all ideas and best regards. >>> Geoff >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>> >>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>> . >>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >>> >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>> >>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>> . >>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > -- Dane Trethowan Sending email from his EEEPC Netbook From chris.hallsworth at techno-chat.net Thu Oct 13 22:14:34 2011 From: chris.hallsworth at techno-chat.net (chris hallsworth) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 22:14:34 +0100 Subject: downloading premium voices. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4E9754BA.8000601@techno-chat.net> Yes and change the default voice in International Settings. On 13/10/2011 21:20, D?nal Fitzpatrick wrote: > Hi All, > > Ok so if I've got this right, as soon as I plug my i-device into an AC power outlet and assuming it's on a WIFI network, I'm going to get a premium voice. As I may have mentioned before, the oirish one is possibly the worst example of concatenative speech synthesis I've come across in years. So, bluntly, is there a way to prevent apple's nanny-state giving me a premium voice I don't want, and using up valuable band-width I don't want to waste. > > Thanks. > > D?nal > D?nal Fitzpatrick > dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie > > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > > From grtdane at internode.on.net Thu Oct 13 22:17:47 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2011 08:17:47 +1100 Subject: Strange Problem When YoruFukurou Is Runing In-Reply-To: <00166008-E1D1-47BA-9B72-BA3CC750B740@computing.dcu.ie> References: <1EE4C28C-13D4-4D91-B75A-FA6F9865DB56@mac-access.net> <089508BB-4183-4681-93E1-B645A0510680@mac-access.net> <4E974C7D.8020700@internode.on.net> <00166008-E1D1-47BA-9B72-BA3CC750B740@computing.dcu.ie> Message-ID: <4E97557B.7010909@internode.on.net> Yep, I have this happen though its not the only software this happens in and I've no idea what causes it, at least as you say, we can interact and find out the full content of the text. On 14/10/2011 7:41 AM, D?nal Fitzpatrick wrote: > The only issue I have with the software is that if I jump to the end of a timeline VO doesn't read the entire tweet. I have to interact with the text of the tweet with VO to read it. I'm trying to isolate where this kicks in but haven't as yet done so. > On 13 Oct 2011, at 21:39, Dane Trethowan wrote: > >> Its the first time I've heard of a problem like this, I did have a problem with the software where the position of VO meant absollutely nothing to the position of the cursor in the timeline table, whether that problem still exists I don't know but I've been navigating with the cursor keys directly ever since this avoiding it if its still there. >> >> There have been at least 8 updates since I recall discussing the problem on Twitter with Nic who seems to know more about the software then the rest of the list put together. >> >> >> >> On 14/10/2011 4:10 AM, Gordon Smith wrote: >>> I'm seeing this issue 100% repro but only with this app. Logically, therefore, it has something to do with this application. Yes, it could be a focus issue but it's constant, so you'd think that if it's a global bug others would have seen it too. >>> >>> On 13 Oct 2011, at 17:46, Dane Trethowan wrote: >>> >>> I'm not seeing that here though I'm wondering whether it might be a focus issue, I mean usually with my copy I'm focused on the table, by default the timeline, when I move up or down with the arrow keys I consequently move up and down the table. >>> >>> Now I'm sure I played with some of the preferences in the application though tis some time since I did but I know I did Tweak a few settings to improve focus. >>> >>> >>> On 14/10/2011, at 3:42 AM, Gordon Smith wrote: >>> >>>> Hi all >>>> >>>> Is anybody noticing that, while YoruFukurou (Night-Owl) is running, the cursor keys behave oddly? For some reason the unmodified arrow keys have suddenly started acting like a programme toggle. Pressing cursor down toggles between which ever apps are running at the time. That is what I am seeing anyway. >>>> >>>> Gordon >>>> >>>> >>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>>> >>>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>>> . >>>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>>> >>>> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>> >>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>> >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>> >>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>> . >>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >>> >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>> >>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>> . >>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> -- >> Dane Trethowan >> Sending email from his EEEPC Netbook >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > D?nal Fitzpatrick > dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie > > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > -- Dane Trethowan Sending email from his EEEPC Netbook From dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie Thu Oct 13 22:17:04 2011 From: dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie (=?iso-8859-1?Q?D=F3nal_Fitzpatrick?=) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 22:17:04 +0100 Subject: downloading premium voices. In-Reply-To: <4E9754BA.8000601@techno-chat.net> References: <4E9754BA.8000601@techno-chat.net> Message-ID: <63284C0A-1A8A-4A7C-A740-CB4246E30F75@computing.dcu.ie> Sorry Chris don't follow you? On 13 Oct 2011, at 22:14, chris hallsworth wrote: > Yes and change the default voice in International Settings. > > On 13/10/2011 21:20, D?nal Fitzpatrick wrote: >> Hi All, >> >> Ok so if I've got this right, as soon as I plug my i-device into an AC power outlet and assuming it's on a WIFI network, I'm going to get a premium voice. As I may have mentioned before, the oirish one is possibly the worst example of concatenative speech synthesis I've come across in years. So, bluntly, is there a way to prevent apple's nanny-state giving me a premium voice I don't want, and using up valuable band-width I don't want to waste. >> >> Thanks. >> >> D?nal >> D?nal Fitzpatrick >> dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie >> >> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> >> > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > D?nal Fitzpatrick dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie From velocity.focus66 at virginmedia.com Thu Oct 13 22:46:57 2011 From: velocity.focus66 at virginmedia.com (Red.Falcon) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 22:46:57 +0100 Subject: Fwd: All is well! Iphone back and running! References: <5B18F909-5299-412B-B1EC-68B597AD8A20@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4707F133-9757-4680-A95E-229B89157993@virginmedia.com> Begin forwarded message: > From: "Red.Falcon" > Date: 13 October 2011 22:42:47 GMT+01:00 > To: mac access , macvisionaries group , Mobile Access > Bcc: "Red.Falcon M" > Subject: All is well! Iphone back and running! > > Hi all! > Well my local Apple store sorted the phone in 10 minutes and when I plugged it into the Mac the backup just started and put all stuff back! > And so I put the next Iphone on and its done the lot in under half a hour! > Talk about different experience's Thanks for all your suggestions! > All the best! > Colin > Qapla! > > Chegh chew jaj Vam jaj Kak > From grtdane at internode.on.net Thu Oct 13 23:22:15 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2011 09:22:15 +1100 Subject: 1Password for iPad, iPhone & iPod Touch In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <60CE9C18-F8FE-460D-8076-CCB0ADF83BBD@internode.on.net> The pro version doesn't appear to be accessible, standard one seems okay at this time. On 14/10/2011, at 6:54 AM, Gordon & Lynne wrote: > Hello everybody > > Would or could some kind soul tell me whether or not 1Password for iPad and iPhone is currently accessible and, if so, to what degree? > > I'm just thinking that, if possible, we may as well have all of our devices synchronised and that would seem to be the most logical way of doing it. > > Thank you very much indeed for any assistance. > > Lynne > > > > > ------------------------------ > > This message was sent from our iPad. > > ------------------------------ > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From grtdane at internode.on.net Thu Oct 13 23:28:36 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2011 09:28:36 +1100 Subject: Fwd: IOS 5 and iCloud enable floods ISPs and causes intermittent issues at Apple References: <9457B6468534C044AAA92A10D8E6EC1A03C92E7131@opssvr15.netops.local> Message-ID: <05B1FA04-39B7-48D2-A3BB-4BB1437E16AF@internode.on.net> Hi! I know its against list policy to forward messages but I think this message I received from a friend of mine who works for one of Australia's big Mobile company's to be extremely important for all list members who wish to update their IOS devices,, this chap - who just happens to be totally blind - is a mobile engineer with the company who gets hold of first-hand information on Iphone etc. Begin forwarded message: > > Owners of an iPhone, iPad, iPod Touch and Apple TV were yesterday able to update their devices to Apple?s new iOS 5 software, providing them with a number of new features and access to the company?s new cloud service iCloud. Update below. > > Apple experienced problems of its own, with many users unable to update their devices because its servers were unable to cope with requests to activate their installs, pulling an ?internal error occurred (3200)? message each time they attempted to install the update. > > It appears that whilst Apple stuggled to cope with demand, ISPs were facing issues trying to keep traffic flowing through their networks, as Apple device owners attempted to download at least 600 megabyte updates. > > One ISP, AAISP, was ?caught unawares? and yesterday evening saw ?silly high usage since around 18:40 [BST]? leading them to think that ?something [was] clearly ?up? and there [was] some ?internet event? happening?. > > As Cult of Mac notes, that ?internet event? was the release of iOS 5, Mac OS X 10.7.2 and a number of new applications. > Throughout the evening, AAISP engineers posted on the company?s Incident and Status Page, noting just what was happening to its network as subscribers fired up their iTunes clients and updated their iOS devices: > > At 8.53pm, they wrote: > This is worse than the world cup traffic! > > Two minutes later: > Only clue is new Apple IOS5 stuff ? if that is the cause I am impressed. > > At 8:57pm: > Usage has just reached unprecidented levels ? we have not seen anothing like this? > The team then saw that issues were being reported on other UK ISPs, forcing them to increase their core link to maximum output to cope with demand. The company was forced get its FireBrick team working hard to scale its CPU output and loads to cope with ?unprecidented levels of usage?, something that could have failed users should it not have been adequately managed. > > They also exclaimed that they knew that there was a Windows Update and Apple?s iOS 5 release, but didn?t believe that could have been just those updates. > > However at 8:45am this morning, AAISP engineers confirmed that suspicion: > We are guessing this was IOS5 release. > > TNW contributor Steve Kennedy noticed the spike at a London broadband exchange, sharing a graph of the traffic boost at the time: > The traffic at the LONAP (LONAP is a London Neutral Internet Exchange Point where Internet and content providers exchange traffic) increased from a normal peak of around 18Gb/s to around 28Gb/s. > > This was just in the UK but will have almost certainly been mirrored across the world. > > Did Apple break the Internet? Probably not. It just gave some ISP engineers a bit of a scare. > > Update: Andy Davidson, the Director of LONAP, gave us this statement about the traffic: > The traffic was around twice what we would see on a typical Wednesday evening. There was as much traffic as we would see for a major sporting event (such as England playing in the World or European cups). Such volumes have never been seen before for a software upgrade. > Sean McGerty | Architect | Converged Architecture & Design | Mobile & Converged Service Engineering | Optus Networks | 1 Lyonpark Road, Macquarie Park NSW 2113 | t: +61 2 8082 1258 > **** DISCLAIMER **** > This e-mail may contain confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and delete this e-mail from your system. You must not disclose this email to anyone without express permission from the sender. The contents of all emails sent to, and received from, Optus may be scanned, stored, or disclosed to others by Optus at Optus' discretion. Optus has exercised care to avoid errors in the information contained in this e-mail but does not warrant that the information is error or omission free. > QP Please think of the environment before printing this email From marrie12 at gmail.com Thu Oct 13 23:35:15 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 15:35:15 -0700 Subject: Strange Problem When YoruFukurou Is Runing In-Reply-To: <00166008-E1D1-47BA-9B72-BA3CC750B740@computing.dcu.ie> References: <1EE4C28C-13D4-4D91-B75A-FA6F9865DB56@mac-access.net> <089508BB-4183-4681-93E1-B645A0510680@mac-access.net> <4E974C7D.8020700@internode.on.net> <00166008-E1D1-47BA-9B72-BA3CC750B740@computing.dcu.ie> Message-ID: <9215FD90-D0BC-483C-9593-37D1871074DB@gmail.com> Actually for that hit the zoom button which is to the right of the close button. that should fix the problem. Take care. Sarah Alawami If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com website: http://music.marrie.org Podcast: http://tffp.marrie.org/podcast youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 On Oct 13, 2011, at 1:41 PM, D?nal Fitzpatrick wrote: > The only issue I have with the software is that if I jump to the end of a timeline VO doesn't read the entire tweet. I have to interact with the text of the tweet with VO to read it. I'm trying to isolate where this kicks in but haven't as yet done so. > On 13 Oct 2011, at 21:39, Dane Trethowan wrote: > >> Its the first time I've heard of a problem like this, I did have a problem with the software where the position of VO meant absollutely nothing to the position of the cursor in the timeline table, whether that problem still exists I don't know but I've been navigating with the cursor keys directly ever since this avoiding it if its still there. >> >> There have been at least 8 updates since I recall discussing the problem on Twitter with Nic who seems to know more about the software then the rest of the list put together . >> >> >> >> On 14/10/2011 4:10 AM, Gordon Smith wrote: >>> I'm seeing this issue 100% repro but only with this app. Logically, therefore, it has something to do with this application. Yes, it could be a focus issue but it's constant, so you'd think that if it's a global bug others would have seen it too. >>> >>> On 13 Oct 2011, at 17:46, Dane Trethowan wrote: >>> >>> I'm not seeing that here though I'm wondering whether it might be a focus issue, I mean usually with my copy I'm focused on the table, by default the timeline, when I move up or down with the arrow keys I consequently move up and down the table. >>> >>> Now I'm sure I played with some of the preferences in the application though tis some time since I did but I know I did Tweak a few settings to improve focus. >>> >>> >>> On 14/10/2011, at 3:42 AM, Gordon Smith wrote: >>> >>>> Hi all >>>> >>>> Is anybody noticing that, while YoruFukurou (Night-Owl) is running, the cursor keys behave oddly? For some reason the unmodified arrow keys have suddenly started acting like a programme toggle. Pressing cursor down toggles between which ever apps are running at the time. That is what I am seeing anyway. >>>> >>>> Gordon >>>> >>>> >>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>>> >>>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>>> . >>>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>>> >>>> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>> >>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>> >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>> >>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>> . >>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >>> >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>> >>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>> . >>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> -- >> Dane Trethowan >> Sending email from his EEEPC Netbook >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > D?nal Fitzpatrick > dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie > > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie Fri Oct 14 00:00:29 2011 From: dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie (=?iso-8859-1?Q?D=F3nal_Fitzpatrick?=) Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2011 00:00:29 +0100 Subject: Strange Problem When YoruFukurou Is Runing In-Reply-To: <9215FD90-D0BC-483C-9593-37D1871074DB@gmail.com> References: <1EE4C28C-13D4-4D91-B75A-FA6F9865DB56@mac-access.net> <089508BB-4183-4681-93E1-B645A0510680@mac-access.net> <4E974C7D.8020700@internode.on.net> <00166008-E1D1-47BA-9B72-BA3CC750B740@computing.dcu.ie> <9215FD90-D0BC-483C-9593-37D1871074DB@gmail.com> Message-ID: <6298245D-AC13-4869-91CE-51C4BAB00242@computing.dcu.ie> Cheers Sarah worked a charm. Now if only that would solve my preview problem! (which it doesn't) On 13 Oct 2011, at 23:35, Sarah Alawami wrote: > Actually for that hit the zoom button which is to the right of the close button. that should fix the problem. > > Take care. > > Sarah Alawami > > If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. > MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com > website: http://music.marrie.org > Podcast: http://tffp.marrie.org/podcast > youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 > > On Oct 13, 2011, at 1:41 PM, D?nal Fitzpatrick wrote: > >> The only issue I have with the software is that if I jump to the end of a timeline VO doesn't read the entire tweet. I have to interact with the text of the tweet with VO to read it. I'm trying to isolate where this kicks in but haven't as yet done so. >> On 13 Oct 2011, at 21:39, Dane Trethowan wrote: >> >>> Its the first time I've heard of a problem like this, I did have a problem with the software where the position of VO meant absollutely nothing to the position of the cursor in the timeline table, whether that problem still exists I don't know but I've been navigating with the cursor keys directly ever since this avoiding it if its still there. >>> >>> There have been at least 8 updates since I recall discussing the problem on Twitter with Nic who seems to know more about the software then the rest of the list put together . >>> >>> >>> >>> On 14/10/2011 4:10 AM, Gordon Smith wrote: >>>> I'm seeing this issue 100% repro but only with this app. Logically, therefore, it has something to do with this application. Yes, it could be a focus issue but it's constant, so you'd think that if it's a global bug others would have seen it too. >>>> >>>> On 13 Oct 2011, at 17:46, Dane Trethowan wrote: >>>> >>>> I'm not seeing that here though I'm wondering whether it might be a focus issue, I mean usually with my copy I'm focused on the table, by default the timeline, when I move up or down with the arrow keys I consequently move up and down the table. >>>> >>>> Now I'm sure I played with some of the preferences in the application though tis some time since I did but I know I did Tweak a few settings to improve focus. >>>> >>>> >>>> On 14/10/2011, at 3:42 AM, Gordon Smith wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi all >>>>> >>>>> Is anybody noticing that, while YoruFukurou (Night-Owl) is running, the cursor keys behave oddly? For some reason the unmodified arrow keys have suddenly started acting like a programme toggle. Pressing cursor down toggles between which ever apps are running at the time. That is what I am seeing anyway. >>>>> >>>>> Gordon >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>>> >>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>> >>>>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>>>> >>>>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>>>> . >>>>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>>> >>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>>> >>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>>> >>>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>>> . >>>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>>> >>>> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>> >>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>> >>>> >>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>>> >>>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>>> . >>>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>>> >>>> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>> >>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> Dane Trethowan >>> Sending email from his EEEPC Netbook >>> >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>> >>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>> . >>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> D?nal Fitzpatrick >> dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie >> >> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > D?nal Fitzpatrick dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie From ianandriggs at googlemail.com Fri Oct 14 00:08:09 2011 From: ianandriggs at googlemail.com (Ian McNamara) Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2011 00:08:09 +0100 Subject: Suggestion: skipping wifi setup during setup In-Reply-To: <4E970D38.7050303@techno-chat.net> References: <4E970D38.7050303@techno-chat.net> Message-ID: <304C1C84-1EFF-4AA4-B95F-3EBB58D0624D@googlemail.com> Hi chris i agree that will be a good idea mate don't know what any one ells thinks that would be good mate. Ian McNamara From mattchao at verizon.net Fri Oct 14 00:25:02 2011 From: mattchao at verizon.net (Matthew Chao) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 19:25:02 -0400 Subject: Email Address for iCloud Message-ID: <0LT100C6E2DZ0C90@vms173007.mailsrvcs.net> Hi, all! I have a question regarding syncing email in iCloud. When I go into iCloud on the iPhone, it asks about creating an email account. Do I use the one I use as my Apple ID, or do I need to think of another address? I'm a little confused. Thanks in advance. Matthew Chao From mmaslo1964 at swbell.net Fri Oct 14 02:22:35 2011 From: mmaslo1964 at swbell.net (michael maslo) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 20:22:35 -0500 Subject: Notification center problem Message-ID: Hi list: I am having the following problem with my notifications. If I have my screen locked and I get a message for example, if I hit the home button to wake or take the phone out of sleep mode I goes it is called and I go to the top where the status bar is aI just hear the twi fi bars, signal bar strength, the word locked etc but it does not tell me that I can hit the three finger slip down to access the notification center. However, if I unlocked the phone, it gives me that option. Anyone have a idea of what or why that is and how I can fix it? Thanks in advance. Mike From adrianleong at rocketmail.com Fri Oct 14 02:24:46 2011 From: adrianleong at rocketmail.com (adrianleong at rocketmail.com) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 19:24:46 -0600 Subject: for Message-ID: <6182B9D4-0FFB-405A-A441-9E4C35F5A0F8@rocketmail.com> ever since i upgraded to ios 5 anmy music doesn't seem to play.on my eye pod touch. From zkline at speedpost.net Fri Oct 14 02:37:49 2011 From: zkline at speedpost.net (Zachary Kline) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 18:37:49 -0700 Subject: Notification center problem In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Mike, I'm not sure why it is, but it seems intentional. You need to unlock the phone first before notification center will come up. I think about it in relation to the unlock code and similar features, if anybody could just read your notifications without first unlocking the phone it might be a security risk. Minor annoyance, but it doesn't take me long to unlock things in any case. Best, Zack. On Oct 13, 2011, at 6:22 PM, michael maslo wrote: > Hi list: > > I am having the following problem with my notifications. > > If I have my screen locked and I get a message for example, if I hit the home button to wake or take the phone out of sleep mode I goes it is called and I go to the top where the status bar is aI just hear the twi fi bars, signal bar strength, the word locked etc but it does not tell me that I can hit the three finger slip down to access the notification center. > > However, if I unlocked the phone, it gives me that option. Anyone have a idea of what or why that is and how I can fix it? > > Thanks in advance. > > Mike > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From juanitatighan at gmail.com Fri Oct 14 03:04:35 2011 From: juanitatighan at gmail.com (Jane) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 22:04:35 -0400 Subject: Formatting SD Card Using Lion Message-ID: I am trying to format an SD card that I uwed for my BookSense I want to use it exclusively with my Mac and need to clear it up before putting more data on it, How do I do this? Jane From marrie12 at gmail.com Fri Oct 14 03:30:19 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 19:30:19 -0700 Subject: Email Address for iCloud In-Reply-To: <0LT100C6E2DZ0C90@vms173007.mailsrvcs.net> References: <0LT100C6E2DZ0C90@vms173007.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <82F0407D-3D26-4AAF-B626-FEB696110A6E@gmail.com> No you use your apple ID at least that's what i did during set up. It seems to work. Take care. On Oct 13, 2011, at 4:25 PM, Matthew Chao wrote: > Hi, all! I have a question regarding syncing email in iCloud. When I go into iCloud on the iPhone, it asks about creating an email account. Do I use the one I use as my Apple ID, or do I need to think of another address? I'm a little confused. Thanks in advance. > > Matthew Chao > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From marrie12 at gmail.com Fri Oct 14 03:29:38 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 19:29:38 -0700 Subject: Notification center problem In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: There is a show notification in lock screen but I have that off for all except the cnn app I use. I'd rather have it that way then for anybody to read my crap while I don't have my phone or ipod with me lol! Take care all. On Oct 13, 2011, at 6:37 PM, Zachary Kline wrote: > Hi Mike, > I'm not sure why it is, but it seems intentional. You need to unlock the phone first before notification center will come up. I think about it in relation to the unlock code and similar features, if anybody could just read your notifications without first unlocking the phone it might be a security risk. Minor annoyance, but it doesn't take me long to unlock things in any case. > Best, > Zack. > On Oct 13, 2011, at 6:22 PM, michael maslo wrote: > >> Hi list: >> >> I am having the following problem with my notifications. >> >> If I have my screen locked and I get a message for example, if I hit the home button to wake or take the phone out of sleep mode I goes it is called and I go to the top where the status bar is aI just hear the twi fi bars, signal bar strength, the word locked etc but it does not tell me that I can hit the three finger slip down to access the notification center. >> >> However, if I unlocked the phone, it gives me that option. Anyone have a idea of what or why that is and how I can fix it? >> >> Thanks in advance. >> >> Mike >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From kevinchao89 at gmail.com Fri Oct 14 04:10:04 2011 From: kevinchao89 at gmail.com (Kevin Chao) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 22:10:04 -0500 Subject: iOS 5 VoiceOver Unofficial Change Log In-Reply-To: <034B10DD-9463-4463-B3C2-8578DF2D9335@gmail.com> References: <034B10DD-9463-4463-B3C2-8578DF2D9335@gmail.com> Message-ID: Having read the discussions surrounding iOS 5 and VoiceOver. I couldn't help but wondered if people missed my unofficial change log which details 80 changes which span new features, enhancements/changes, and fixes for VoiceOver. I think that based on the discussion over the last day and a half, it will and should address 98% of people's questions. If most have missed it, please see below. Kevin On 10/12/11, Kevin Chao wrote: > iOS 5 VoiceOver has a total of 75 changes: 47 new features, 13 enhancements, > and 15 fixes. > https://docs.google.com/document/pub?id=1pOw7ayVuGSAdPluiJ0xFByCIxIzFpQBCy2LreeZiwYI > > Kevin > From marrie12 at gmail.com Fri Oct 14 04:36:43 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 20:36:43 -0700 Subject: a look at ios5 on the tffp podcast Message-ID: <473B3C3E-818E-405C-89CC-DC5D7B0C409B@gmail.com> Hello to all. I did a podcast on a brief glance of ios5. It won't show everything as I forgot until after I recorded the thing but It should be enough as I demoed most of the stuff except for custom vibrations and the auto text. the link is http://tffp.marrie.org/podcast and it should be the first link there along with some show notes. Take care all and enjoy. From juanitatighan at gmail.com Fri Oct 14 04:57:39 2011 From: juanitatighan at gmail.com (Jane) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 23:57:39 -0400 Subject: Spanish Accents With Keyboard Message-ID: I had a list of keyboard combos to write Spanish accented letters, the tilde, inverted question mark and exclamation mark, and so on. Unfortunately, it once again got lost in a crash. Can anyone send me, off list if necessary, instructions on how to set all of this up again? Want to start practice writing in Spanish again, but can't do so without the accents. Jane From opensesame at me.com Fri Oct 14 04:01:19 2011 From: opensesame at me.com (Bryan Jones) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 23:01:19 -0400 Subject: iCloud versus MobileMe Web interface = Same old same old? Message-ID: <0DD4542F-405B-4F4F-BB84-52BDA1F4D780@me.com> Hi Folks, Subject line says it all, but I' hoping maybe I just missed something. Can anyone else who previously used a mobile me account and is now using icloud take a browse around the web interface and tell me if you're having any luck? I'm getting a bunch of unlabeled buttons on the opening login screen, a time zone picker that is inaccessible, and then what appears to be the same old mobile me web apps that are not reporting anything in the web rotor. TIA, Bryan From geoff.waaler at gmail.com Fri Oct 14 05:11:40 2011 From: geoff.waaler at gmail.com (Geoff Waaler) Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2011 00:11:40 -0400 Subject: iOS 5 VoiceOver Unofficial Change Log References: <034B10DD-9463-4463-B3C2-8578DF2D9335@gmail.com> Message-ID: <93C27299B60C4EF38948B8584F47E9D4@YOURZ8KUJVJGKY> Kevin, This is excellent!! you must have some work relationships between developers and testers in the real noncyber world. Anyway thanks to your information we can all start a little ahead of the curve. Great work as always!! Geoff ----- Original Message ----- From: Kevin Chao To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2011 11:10 PM Subject: Re: iOS 5 VoiceOver Unofficial Change Log Having read the discussions surrounding iOS 5 and VoiceOver. I couldn't help but wondered if people missed my unofficial change log which details 80 changes which span new features, enhancements/changes, and fixes for VoiceOver. I think that based on the discussion over the last day and a half, it will and should address 98% of people's questions. If most have missed it, please see below. Kevin On 10/12/11, Kevin Chao wrote: > iOS 5 VoiceOver has a total of 75 changes: 47 new features, 13 enhancements, > and 15 fixes. > https://docs.google.com/document/pub?id=1pOw7ayVuGSAdPluiJ0xFByCIxIzFpQBCy2LreeZiwYI > > Kevin > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: or at the public Mail Archive: . Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From zkline at speedpost.net Fri Oct 14 05:25:30 2011 From: zkline at speedpost.net (Zachary Kline) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 21:25:30 -0700 Subject: iCloud versus MobileMe Web interface = Same old same old? In-Reply-To: <0DD4542F-405B-4F4F-BB84-52BDA1F4D780@me.com> References: <0DD4542F-405B-4F4F-BB84-52BDA1F4D780@me.com> Message-ID: Hi Brian, You're correct, I'm afraid. However, I'd argue that iCloud doesn't require the web interface at all, it can be controlled entirely from your iOS devices and your macs, and apparently even PCs. I don't think the web apps are any great loss. THis isn't to excuse APple for not making them more useable, but the point still stands. Best, Zack. On Oct 13, 2011, at 8:01 PM, Bryan Jones wrote: > Hi Folks, > > Subject line says it all, but I' hoping maybe I just missed something. Can anyone else who previously used a mobile me account and is now using icloud take a browse around the web interface and tell me if you're having any luck? I'm getting a bunch of unlabeled buttons on the opening login screen, a time zone picker that is inaccessible, and then what appears to be the same old mobile me web apps that are not reporting anything in the web rotor. > TIA, > Bryan > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From will.d.lomas at gmail.com Fri Oct 14 06:18:22 2011 From: will.d.lomas at gmail.com (william lomas) Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2011 06:18:22 +0100 Subject: IOS 5 and iCloud enable floods ISPs and causes intermittent issues at Apple In-Reply-To: <05B1FA04-39B7-48D2-A3BB-4BB1437E16AF@internode.on.net> References: <9457B6468534C044AAA92A10D8E6EC1A03C92E7131@opssvr15.netops.local> <05B1FA04-39B7-48D2-A3BB-4BB1437E16AF@internode.on.net> Message-ID: isn't it obvious it high demand? ridiculous really they don't seem to anticipate it On Oct 13, 2011, at 11:28 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote: > Hi! > > I know its against list policy to forward messages but I think this message I received from a friend of mine who works for one of Australia's big Mobile company's to be extremely important for all list members who wish to update their IOS devices,, this chap - who just happens to be totally blind - is a mobile engineer with the company who gets hold of first-hand information on Iphone etc. > > > > Begin forwarded message: > >> >> Owners of an iPhone, iPad, iPod Touch and Apple TV were yesterday able to update their devices to Apple?s new iOS 5 software, providing them with a number of new features and access to the company?s new cloud service iCloud. Update below. >> >> Apple experienced problems of its own, with many users unable to update their devices because its servers were unable to cope with requests to activate their installs, pulling an ?internal error occurred (3200)? message each time they attempted to install the update. >> >> It appears that whilst Apple stuggled to cope with demand, ISPs were facing issues trying to keep traffic flowing through their networks, as Apple device owners attempted to download at least 600 megabyte updates. >> >> One ISP, AAISP, was ?caught unawares? and yesterday evening saw ?silly high usage since around 18:40 [BST]? leading them to think that ?something [was] clearly ?up? and there [was] some ?internet event? happening?. >> >> As Cult of Mac notes, that ?internet event? was the release of iOS 5, Mac OS X 10.7.2 and a number of new applications. >> Throughout the evening, AAISP engineers posted on the company?s Incident and Status Page, noting just what was happening to its network as subscribers fired up their iTunes clients and updated their iOS devices: >> >> At 8.53pm, they wrote: >> This is worse than the world cup traffic! >> >> Two minutes later: >> Only clue is new Apple IOS5 stuff ? if that is the cause I am impressed. >> >> At 8:57pm: >> Usage has just reached unprecidented levels ? we have not seen anothing like this? >> The team then saw that issues were being reported on other UK ISPs, forcing them to increase their core link to maximum output to cope with demand. The company was forced get its FireBrick team working hard to scale its CPU output and loads to cope with ?unprecidented levels of usage?, something that could have failed users should it not have been adequately managed. >> >> They also exclaimed that they knew that there was a Windows Update and Apple?s iOS 5 release, but didn?t believe that could have been just those updates. >> >> However at 8:45am this morning, AAISP engineers confirmed that suspicion: >> We are guessing this was IOS5 release. >> >> TNW contributor Steve Kennedy noticed the spike at a London broadband exchange, sharing a graph of the traffic boost at the time: >> The traffic at the LONAP (LONAP is a London Neutral Internet Exchange Point where Internet and content providers exchange traffic) increased from a normal peak of around 18Gb/s to around 28Gb/s. >> >> This was just in the UK but will have almost certainly been mirrored across the world. >> >> Did Apple break the Internet? Probably not. It just gave some ISP engineers a bit of a scare. >> >> Update: Andy Davidson, the Director of LONAP, gave us this statement about the traffic: >> The traffic was around twice what we would see on a typical Wednesday evening. There was as much traffic as we would see for a major sporting event (such as England playing in the World or European cups). Such volumes have never been seen before for a software upgrade. >> Sean McGerty | Architect | Converged Architecture & Design | Mobile & Converged Service Engineering | Optus Networks | 1 Lyonpark Road, Macquarie Park NSW 2113 | t: +61 2 8082 1258 >> **** DISCLAIMER **** >> This e-mail may contain confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and delete this e-mail from your system. You must not disclose this email to anyone without express permission from the sender. The contents of all emails sent to, and received from, Optus may be scanned, stored, or disclosed to others by Optus at Optus' discretion. Optus has exercised care to avoid errors in the information contained in this e-mail but does not warrant that the information is error or omission free. >> QP Please think of the environment before printing this email > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From chojiro1990 at gmail.com Thu Oct 13 18:16:43 2011 From: chojiro1990 at gmail.com (Nicolai Svendsen) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 19:16:43 +0200 Subject: VO Query In-Reply-To: <0FE4947A-4D2E-433F-9F06-0F58D4C2591B@mac-access.net> References: <97C0B3BA-E44C-4F2B-AF21-59F0B4C0B4B0@computing.dcu.ie> <216811DE-1BB5-490A-B481-D4EA0CB3D238@googlemail.com> <70A7463F-35AF-4A20-9DD2-04274951C011@gmail.com> <9514E2B0-D333-412A-8317-1B820213341C@internode.on.net> <0FE4947A-4D2E-433F-9F06-0F58D4C2591B@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <71981932-8066-40AE-B433-F26C6BE09357@gmail.com> Hi! He meant VO-F2. On an American keyboard, if you accidentally hold down the shift key while hitting 2, you make the @ sign. Regards, Nic On Oct 13, 2011, at 6:52 PM, Gordon Smith wrote: > Could somebody please enlighten me as to where on my keyboard I may locate the "Vo-F@" key? I don't recall ever seeing such a key. This key was referenced in a reply to a message in response to Nic's recent post. ;-) > > Gordon > > > Thank you. > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From moore.c at blueyonder.co.uk Fri Oct 14 07:48:24 2011 From: moore.c at blueyonder.co.uk (Chris Moore) Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2011 07:48:24 +0100 Subject: iCloud versus MobileMe Web interface = Same old same old? In-Reply-To: References: <0DD4542F-405B-4F4F-BB84-52BDA1F4D780@me.com> Message-ID: It would still be very useful though, imagine your iPhone dies, and you are at work and have to then log into iCloud via the website to send a email or retrieve a phone number etc or look in your calendar. Sighted folks can do this, so why not us? Google are doing a wonderful job of making their web apps accessible, so come on Apple. Chris On 14 Oct 2011, at 05:25, Zachary Kline wrote: > Hi Brian, > You're correct, I'm afraid. However, I'd argue that iCloud doesn't require the web interface at all, it can be controlled entirely from your iOS devices and your macs, and apparently even PCs. I don't think the web apps are any great loss. > THis isn't to excuse APple for not making them more useable, but the point still stands. > Best, > Zack. > On Oct 13, 2011, at 8:01 PM, Bryan Jones wrote: > >> Hi Folks, >> >> Subject line says it all, but I' hoping maybe I just missed something. Can anyone else who previously used a mobile me account and is now using icloud take a browse around the web interface and tell me if you're having any luck? I'm getting a bunch of unlabeled buttons on the opening login screen, a time zone picker that is inaccessible, and then what appears to be the same old mobile me web apps that are not reporting anything in the web rotor. >> TIA, >> Bryan >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From zkline at speedpost.net Fri Oct 14 08:02:25 2011 From: zkline at speedpost.net (Zachary Kline) Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2011 00:02:25 -0700 Subject: iCloud versus MobileMe Web interface = Same old same old? In-Reply-To: References: <0DD4542F-405B-4F4F-BB84-52BDA1F4D780@me.com> Message-ID: <9FC804B1-C52F-405C-9A73-78E88A0D7B38@speedpost.net> Hi, I must take back some of what I said earlier. I've logged in successfully and am able to navigate the UI, though things are certainly a bit confusing. I don't use the rotor, but have found groups mode to be quite helpful in understanding the way things are laid out, which is actually rather iOS -like. The unlabeled buttons aren't needed to sign in, the signin process itself is accessible. Things aren't as good as they could be, but I'm able to explore well enough. Best, Zack. On Oct 13, 2011, at 11:48 PM, Chris Moore wrote: > It would still be very useful though, imagine your iPhone dies, and you are at work and have to then log into iCloud via the website to send a email or retrieve a phone number etc or look in your calendar. > > Sighted folks can do this, so why not us? Google are doing a wonderful job of making their web apps accessible, so come on Apple. > > Chris > On 14 Oct 2011, at 05:25, Zachary Kline wrote: > >> Hi Brian, >> You're correct, I'm afraid. However, I'd argue that iCloud doesn't require the web interface at all, it can be controlled entirely from your iOS devices and your macs, and apparently even PCs. I don't think the web apps are any great loss. >> THis isn't to excuse APple for not making them more useable, but the point still stands. >> Best, >> Zack. >> On Oct 13, 2011, at 8:01 PM, Bryan Jones wrote: >> >>> Hi Folks, >>> >>> Subject line says it all, but I' hoping maybe I just missed something. Can anyone else who previously used a mobile me account and is now using icloud take a browse around the web interface and tell me if you're having any luck? I'm getting a bunch of unlabeled buttons on the opening login screen, a time zone picker that is inaccessible, and then what appears to be the same old mobile me web apps that are not reporting anything in the web rotor. >>> TIA, >>> Bryan >>> >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>> >>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>> . >>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From chojiro1990 at gmail.com Fri Oct 14 09:31:06 2011 From: chojiro1990 at gmail.com (Nicolai Svendsen) Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2011 10:31:06 +0200 Subject: downloading premium voices. In-Reply-To: <63284C0A-1A8A-4A7C-A740-CB4246E30F75@computing.dcu.ie> References: <4E9754BA.8000601@techno-chat.net> <63284C0A-1A8A-4A7C-A740-CB4246E30F75@computing.dcu.ie> Message-ID: Hi Don?l While it will download the premium voice, simply go into Settings>General>Accessibility>VoiceOver and toggle the "Use compact voice" switch to on. If you mainly don't want the Irish voice at all, simply go into Settings>General>International>Region Format and select the other format that you wish to use, such as UNited States. If a voice is available for the region you select depending on the language you have, it will switch to that voice when selected and if plugged in and connected to Wi-Fi, the voice will download. Unfortunately, you don't have much control over it from here on, and you can't monitor its progress to ensure it's downloading. Apple is supposed to have fixed it so that any voice you have switched to via the language rotor regardless of default language is supposed to download, if the compact switch is set to off, but I haven't seen this work at all yet. Also, the default voice will continue to speak element types. Regards, Nic On Oct 13, 2011, at 11:17 PM, D?nal Fitzpatrick wrote: > Sorry Chris don't follow you? > On 13 Oct 2011, at 22:14, chris hallsworth wrote: > >> Yes and change the default voice in International Settings. >> >> On 13/10/2011 21:20, D?nal Fitzpatrick wrote: >>> Hi All, >>> >>> Ok so if I've got this right, as soon as I plug my i-device into an AC power outlet and assuming it's on a WIFI network, I'm going to get a premium voice. As I may have mentioned before, the oirish one is possibly the worst example of concatenative speech synthesis I've come across in years. So, bluntly, is there a way to prevent apple's nanny-state giving me a premium voice I don't want, and using up valuable band-width I don't want to waste. >>> >>> Thanks. >>> >>> D?nal >>> D?nal Fitzpatrick >>> dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie >>> >>> >>> >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>> >>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>> . >>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >>> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > D?nal Fitzpatrick > dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie > > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie Fri Oct 14 09:37:45 2011 From: dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie (=?iso-8859-1?Q?D=F3nal_Fitzpatrick?=) Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2011 09:37:45 +0100 Subject: downloading premium voices. In-Reply-To: References: <4E9754BA.8000601@techno-chat.net> <63284C0A-1A8A-4A7C-A740-CB4246E30F75@computing.dcu.ie> Message-ID: <6633DD79-834E-49AC-9485-5813C08CA507@computing.dcu.ie> Yes Nick that has been absolutely my experience, I'm glad to see you echoing it. I've set the voice to the Australian one, I just can't determine if the HQ voice has downloaded. When I put the "use compact voice" on, I do hear a difference in sound. My point wasn't so much about using (or not) the irish voice, it was simply that surely I should have a say in whether it downloads or not? I mean, it's my damn iPhone isn't it? Maybe I want to keep the space taken up by the premium voice for something else? Sighted users have choices in their visual displays in terms of themeing them with wall-papers etc. Why shouldn't we as blind users have the same choices over the "visual theming"? That last bit is an extract of a mail I sent to apple, which yet again has been ignored. D?nal On 14 Oct 2011, at 09:31, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: > Hi Don?l > > While it will download the premium voice, simply go into Settings>General>Accessibility>VoiceOver and toggle the "Use compact voice" switch to on. If you mainly don't want the Irish voice at all, simply go into Settings>General>International>Region Format and select the other format that you wish to use, such as UNited States. If a voice is available for the region you select depending on the language you have, it will switch to that voice when selected and if plugged in and connected to Wi-Fi, the voice will download. Unfortunately, you don't have much control over it from here on, and you can't monitor its progress to ensure it's downloading. Apple is supposed to have fixed it so that any voice you have switched to via the language rotor regardless of default language is supposed to download, if the compact switch is set to off, but I haven't seen this work at all yet. Also, the default voice will continue to speak element types. > > Regards, > Nic > On Oct 13, 2011, at 11:17 PM, D?nal Fitzpatrick wrote: > >> Sorry Chris don't follow you? >> On 13 Oct 2011, at 22:14, chris hallsworth wrote: >> >>> Yes and change the default voice in International Settings. >>> >>> On 13/10/2011 21:20, D?nal Fitzpatrick wrote: >>>> Hi All, >>>> >>>> Ok so if I've got this right, as soon as I plug my i-device into an AC power outlet and assuming it's on a WIFI network, I'm going to get a premium voice. As I may have mentioned before, the oirish one is possibly the worst example of concatenative speech synthesis I've come across in years. So, bluntly, is there a way to prevent apple's nanny-state giving me a premium voice I don't want, and using up valuable band-width I don't want to waste. >>>> >>>> Thanks. >>>> >>>> D?nal >>>> D?nal Fitzpatrick >>>> dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>>> >>>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>>> . >>>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>>> >>>> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>> >>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>> >>>> >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>> >>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>> . >>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> D?nal Fitzpatrick >> dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie >> >> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > D?nal Fitzpatrick dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie From anne at anarchie.org.uk Fri Oct 14 09:44:08 2011 From: anne at anarchie.org.uk (Anne Robertson) Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2011 10:44:08 +0200 Subject: iBooks in IOS5 Message-ID: <415FE1A7-6E57-4E84-BA88-0ED4BBE4DC8A@anarchie.org.uk> Hello everyone, In IOS5, when reading a book in iBooks, VO repeats the last few words after turning the page. Very irritating. Cheers, Anne From moore.c at blueyonder.co.uk Fri Oct 14 09:44:59 2011 From: moore.c at blueyonder.co.uk (Chris Moore) Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2011 09:44:59 +0100 Subject: downloading premium voices. In-Reply-To: <6633DD79-834E-49AC-9485-5813C08CA507@computing.dcu.ie> References: <4E9754BA.8000601@techno-chat.net> <63284C0A-1A8A-4A7C-A740-CB4246E30F75@computing.dcu.ie> <6633DD79-834E-49AC-9485-5813C08CA507@computing.dcu.ie> Message-ID: <38FC2745-2738-4423-BBE9-AB64F8BAED51@blueyonder.co.uk> Sounds like I need to give your shoulders a rub to calm you down. I rote to Apple about this too. So hopefully between us all they will get the message. Personally I was happy the way the voices were in the previous OS build. I liked Karen, but she seems to say things in a different way now. It is even harder to tell the difference between M and N. Wish we could have Alex Chris On 14 Oct 2011, at 09:37, D?nal Fitzpatrick wrote: > Yes Nick that has been absolutely my experience, I'm glad to see you echoing it. I've set the voice to the Australian one, I just can't determine if the HQ voice has downloaded. When I put the "use compact voice" on, I do hear a difference in sound. My point wasn't so much about using (or not) the irish voice, it was simply that surely I should have a say in whether it downloads or not? I mean, it's my damn iPhone isn't it? Maybe I want to keep the space taken up by the premium voice for something else? > > Sighted users have choices in their visual displays in terms of themeing them with wall-papers etc. Why shouldn't we as blind users have the same choices over the "visual theming"? That last bit is an extract of a mail I sent to apple, which yet again has been ignored. > > D?nal > On 14 Oct 2011, at 09:31, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: > >> Hi Don?l >> >> While it will download the premium voice, simply go into Settings>General>Accessibility>VoiceOver and toggle the "Use compact voice" switch to on. If you mainly don't want the Irish voice at all, simply go into Settings>General>International>Region Format and select the other format that you wish to use, such as UNited States. If a voice is available for the region you select depending on the language you have, it will switch to that voice when selected and if plugged in and connected to Wi-Fi, the voice will download. Unfortunately, you don't have much control over it from here on, and you can't monitor its progress to ensure it's downloading. Apple is supposed to have fixed it so that any voice you have switched to via the language rotor regardless of default language is supposed to download, if the compact switch is set to off, but I haven't seen this work at all yet. Also, the default voice will continue to speak element types. >> >> Regards, >> Nic >> On Oct 13, 2011, at 11:17 PM, D?nal Fitzpatrick wrote: >> >>> Sorry Chris don't follow you? >>> On 13 Oct 2011, at 22:14, chris hallsworth wrote: >>> >>>> Yes and change the default voice in International Settings. >>>> >>>> On 13/10/2011 21:20, D?nal Fitzpatrick wrote: >>>>> Hi All, >>>>> >>>>> Ok so if I've got this right, as soon as I plug my i-device into an AC power outlet and assuming it's on a WIFI network, I'm going to get a premium voice. As I may have mentioned before, the oirish one is possibly the worst example of concatenative speech synthesis I've come across in years. So, bluntly, is there a way to prevent apple's nanny-state giving me a premium voice I don't want, and using up valuable band-width I don't want to waste. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks. >>>>> >>>>> D?nal >>>>> D?nal Fitzpatrick >>>>> dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>>> >>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>> >>>>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>>>> >>>>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>>>> . >>>>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>>> >>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>>> >>>>> >>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>>> >>>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>>> . >>>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>>> >>>> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>> >>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>> >>> >>> D?nal Fitzpatrick >>> dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie >>> >>> >>> >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>> >>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>> . >>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > D?nal Fitzpatrick > dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie > > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From chojiro1990 at gmail.com Fri Oct 14 09:45:31 2011 From: chojiro1990 at gmail.com (Nicolai Svendsen) Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2011 10:45:31 +0200 Subject: downloading premium voices. In-Reply-To: <6633DD79-834E-49AC-9485-5813C08CA507@computing.dcu.ie> References: <4E9754BA.8000601@techno-chat.net> <63284C0A-1A8A-4A7C-A740-CB4246E30F75@computing.dcu.ie> <6633DD79-834E-49AC-9485-5813C08CA507@computing.dcu.ie> Message-ID: Hi Don?l I absolutely agree with you. It also seems that the voices download regardless of VoiceOver. My twin's iPhone suddenly spoke with a higher quality voice when I turned on VoiceOver when I helped him last night, and that voice was not available when I used it before, nor was it plugged in when I did so. You may already have the voice. It should be pretty easy to determine, since the premium Karen first of all is unable to pronounce her own name, so that's one way to find out. I do think, though, that you should be able to monitor the actual download of the voice as well. I don't always want them to download, since i'm multilingual in four languages if you don't count Dutch. I haven't determined if switching on the compact setting turns it off entirely, but I'd imagine that isn't the case since sighted users seem to get these too. Regards, Nic On Oct 14, 2011, at 10:37 AM, D?nal Fitzpatrick wrote: > Yes Nick that has been absolutely my experience, I'm glad to see you echoing it. I've set the voice to the Australian one, I just can't determine if the HQ voice has downloaded. When I put the "use compact voice" on, I do hear a difference in sound. My point wasn't so much about using (or not) the irish voice, it was simply that surely I should have a say in whether it downloads or not? I mean, it's my damn iPhone isn't it? Maybe I want to keep the space taken up by the premium voice for something else? > > Sighted users have choices in their visual displays in terms of themeing them with wall-papers etc. Why shouldn't we as blind users have the same choices over the "visual theming"? That last bit is an extract of a mail I sent to apple, which yet again has been ignored. > > D?nal > On 14 Oct 2011, at 09:31, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: > >> Hi Don?l >> >> While it will download the premium voice, simply go into Settings>General>Accessibility>VoiceOver and toggle the "Use compact voice" switch to on. If you mainly don't want the Irish voice at all, simply go into Settings>General>International>Region Format and select the other format that you wish to use, such as UNited States. If a voice is available for the region you select depending on the language you have, it will switch to that voice when selected and if plugged in and connected to Wi-Fi, the voice will download. Unfortunately, you don't have much control over it from here on, and you can't monitor its progress to ensure it's downloading. Apple is supposed to have fixed it so that any voice you have switched to via the language rotor regardless of default language is supposed to download, if the compact switch is set to off, but I haven't seen this work at all yet. Also, the default voice will continue to speak element types. >> >> Regards, >> Nic >> On Oct 13, 2011, at 11:17 PM, D?nal Fitzpatrick wrote: >> >>> Sorry Chris don't follow you? >>> On 13 Oct 2011, at 22:14, chris hallsworth wrote: >>> >>>> Yes and change the default voice in International Settings. >>>> >>>> On 13/10/2011 21:20, D?nal Fitzpatrick wrote: >>>>> Hi All, >>>>> >>>>> Ok so if I've got this right, as soon as I plug my i-device into an AC power outlet and assuming it's on a WIFI network, I'm going to get a premium voice. As I may have mentioned before, the oirish one is possibly the worst example of concatenative speech synthesis I've come across in years. So, bluntly, is there a way to prevent apple's nanny-state giving me a premium voice I don't want, and using up valuable band-width I don't want to waste. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks. >>>>> >>>>> D?nal >>>>> D?nal Fitzpatrick >>>>> dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>>> >>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>> >>>>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>>>> >>>>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>>>> . >>>>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>>> >>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>>> >>>>> >>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>>> >>>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>>> . >>>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>>> >>>> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>> >>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>> >>> >>> D?nal Fitzpatrick >>> dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie >>> >>> >>> >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>> >>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>> . >>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > D?nal Fitzpatrick > dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie > > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie Fri Oct 14 09:49:15 2011 From: dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie (=?iso-8859-1?Q?D=F3nal_Fitzpatrick?=) Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2011 09:49:15 +0100 Subject: downloading premium voices. In-Reply-To: References: <4E9754BA.8000601@techno-chat.net> <63284C0A-1A8A-4A7C-A740-CB4246E30F75@computing.dcu.ie> <6633DD79-834E-49AC-9485-5813C08CA507@computing.dcu.ie> Message-ID: <33517A3D-E049-4D69-B97D-15F816F82C9A@computing.dcu.ie> I think it does download NIck. Can't prove it of course :) On 14 Oct 2011, at 09:45, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: > Hi Don?l > > I absolutely agree with you. It also seems that the voices download regardless of VoiceOver. My twin's iPhone suddenly spoke with a higher quality voice when I turned on VoiceOver when I helped him last night, and that voice was not available when I used it before, nor was it plugged in when I did so. > > You may already have the voice. It should be pretty easy to determine, since the premium Karen first of all is unable to pronounce her own name, so that's one way to find out. I do think, though, that you should be able to monitor the actual download of the voice as well. I don't always want them to download, since i'm multilingual in four languages if you don't count Dutch. I haven't determined if switching on the compact setting turns it off entirely, but I'd imagine that isn't the case since sighted users seem to get these too. > > Regards, > Nic > On Oct 14, 2011, at 10:37 AM, D?nal Fitzpatrick wrote: > >> Yes Nick that has been absolutely my experience, I'm glad to see you echoing it. I've set the voice to the Australian one, I just can't determine if the HQ voice has downloaded. When I put the "use compact voice" on, I do hear a difference in sound. My point wasn't so much about using (or not) the irish voice, it was simply that surely I should have a say in whether it downloads or not? I mean, it's my damn iPhone isn't it? Maybe I want to keep the space taken up by the premium voice for something else? >> >> Sighted users have choices in their visual displays in terms of themeing them with wall-papers etc. Why shouldn't we as blind users have the same choices over the "visual theming"? That last bit is an extract of a mail I sent to apple, which yet again has been ignored. >> >> D?nal >> On 14 Oct 2011, at 09:31, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: >> >>> Hi Don?l >>> >>> While it will download the premium voice, simply go into Settings>General>Accessibility>VoiceOver and toggle the "Use compact voice" switch to on. If you mainly don't want the Irish voice at all, simply go into Settings>General>International>Region Format and select the other format that you wish to use, such as UNited States. If a voice is available for the region you select depending on the language you have, it will switch to that voice when selected and if plugged in and connected to Wi-Fi, the voice will download. Unfortunately, you don't have much control over it from here on, and you can't monitor its progress to ensure it's downloading. Apple is supposed to have fixed it so that any voice you have switched to via the language rotor regardless of default language is supposed to download, if the compact switch is set to off, but I haven't seen this work at all yet. Also, the default voice will continue to speak element types. >>> >>> Regards, >>> Nic >>> On Oct 13, 2011, at 11:17 PM, D?nal Fitzpatrick wrote: >>> >>>> Sorry Chris don't follow you? >>>> On 13 Oct 2011, at 22:14, chris hallsworth wrote: >>>> >>>>> Yes and change the default voice in International Settings. >>>>> >>>>> On 13/10/2011 21:20, D?nal Fitzpatrick wrote: >>>>>> Hi All, >>>>>> >>>>>> Ok so if I've got this right, as soon as I plug my i-device into an AC power outlet and assuming it's on a WIFI network, I'm going to get a premium voice. As I may have mentioned before, the oirish one is possibly the worst example of concatenative speech synthesis I've come across in years. So, bluntly, is there a way to prevent apple's nanny-state giving me a premium voice I don't want, and using up valuable band-width I don't want to waste. >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks. >>>>>> >>>>>> D?nal >>>>>> D?nal Fitzpatrick >>>>>> dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>>>> >>>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>>> >>>>>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>>>>> >>>>>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>>>>> . >>>>>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>>>> >>>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>>> >>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>> >>>>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>>>> >>>>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>>>> . >>>>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>>> >>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>>> >>>> >>>> D?nal Fitzpatrick >>>> dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>>> >>>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>>> . >>>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>>> >>>> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>> >>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>> >>> >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>> >>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>> . >>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> D?nal Fitzpatrick >> dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie >> >> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > D?nal Fitzpatrick dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie From jonathan.tyrer at gmail.com Fri Oct 14 09:59:46 2011 From: jonathan.tyrer at gmail.com (Jonathan Tyrer) Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2011 09:59:46 +0100 Subject: iBooks in IOS5 In-Reply-To: <415FE1A7-6E57-4E84-BA88-0ED4BBE4DC8A@anarchie.org.uk> References: <415FE1A7-6E57-4E84-BA88-0ED4BBE4DC8A@anarchie.org.uk> Message-ID: Hi Anne This isn't happening for me, not on my iPhone at least. I've left off upgrading my iPad for a day or two to see how it goes. Jonathan On 14/10/2011, Anne Robertson wrote: > Hello everyone, > > In IOS5, when reading a book in iBooks, VO repeats the last few words after > turning the page. Very irritating. > > Cheers, > > Anne > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at > either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus > and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting > the list website at: > > From anne at anarchie.org.uk Fri Oct 14 10:12:57 2011 From: anne at anarchie.org.uk (Anne Robertson) Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2011 11:12:57 +0200 Subject: iBooks in IOS5 In-Reply-To: References: <415FE1A7-6E57-4E84-BA88-0ED4BBE4DC8A@anarchie.org.uk> Message-ID: Hello Jonathan, The book I'm reading on my iPhone is one I put into epub format myself. I don't know whether that makes a difference. Also, the voice is Daniel. I'll have to try with a different book, but this wasn't happening before the upgrade with this same book. I was pleased that iBooks had remembered my place in the book through the upgrade. Cheers, Anne On 14 Oct 2011, at 10:59, Jonathan Tyrer wrote: > Hi Anne > > This isn't happening for me, not on my iPhone at least. I've left off > upgrading my iPad for a day or two to see how it goes. > > Jonathan > > On 14/10/2011, Anne Robertson wrote: >> Hello everyone, >> >> In IOS5, when reading a book in iBooks, VO repeats the last few words after >> turning the page. Very irritating. >> >> Cheers, >> >> Anne >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to >> mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at >> either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus >> and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting >> the list website at: >> >> > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From ianandriggs at googlemail.com Fri Oct 14 10:17:14 2011 From: ianandriggs at googlemail.com (Ian McNamara) Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2011 10:17:14 +0100 Subject: iBooks in IOS5 In-Reply-To: <415FE1A7-6E57-4E84-BA88-0ED4BBE4DC8A@anarchie.org.uk> References: <415FE1A7-6E57-4E84-BA88-0ED4BBE4DC8A@anarchie.org.uk> Message-ID: <78A9AAC6-78C3-41D5-8622-3BDD44F7CA2E@googlemail.com> yep i have noticed it doing that some times hope it's just a bug they'll fix in the next update as it is very anoying. Ian McNamara From james.austin at mac-access.net Fri Oct 14 10:21:18 2011 From: james.austin at mac-access.net (James AUSTIN) Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2011 10:21:18 +0100 Subject: iBooks in IOS5 In-Reply-To: <415FE1A7-6E57-4E84-BA88-0ED4BBE4DC8A@anarchie.org.uk> References: <415FE1A7-6E57-4E84-BA88-0ED4BBE4DC8A@anarchie.org.uk> Message-ID: Hi Anne, You've probably done this, but have you checked the App Store, for the update to iBooks. It is supposed to address IOS5 stability. TC :) James On 14 Oct 2011, at 09:44, Anne Robertson wrote: > Hello everyone, > > In IOS5, when reading a book in iBooks, VO repeats the last few words after turning the page. Very irritating. > > Cheers, > > Anne > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From ianandriggs at googlemail.com Fri Oct 14 10:23:00 2011 From: ianandriggs at googlemail.com (Ian McNamara) Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2011 10:23:00 +0100 Subject: iBooks in IOS5 In-Reply-To: References: <415FE1A7-6E57-4E84-BA88-0ED4BBE4DC8A@anarchie.org.uk> Message-ID: <66D37431-FA0A-4A1B-9068-B936C825C9C6@googlemail.com> yep i updated my ibooks last night and it still does the same to me and it is a book i bought from the ibooks store love it though reading it with the south african voice she's pritty good. From anne at anarchie.org.uk Fri Oct 14 10:26:21 2011 From: anne at anarchie.org.uk (Anne Robertson) Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2011 11:26:21 +0200 Subject: iBooks in IOS5 In-Reply-To: References: <415FE1A7-6E57-4E84-BA88-0ED4BBE4DC8A@anarchie.org.uk> Message-ID: Hello James, I updated all my apps before doing the upgrade to IOS5. One of them was indeed iBooks, so this bug got missed this time. Cheers, Anne On 14 Oct 2011, at 11:21, James AUSTIN wrote: > Hi Anne, > > You've probably done this, but have you checked the App Store, for the update to iBooks. It is supposed to address IOS5 stability. > > TC :) > James From chojiro1990 at gmail.com Fri Oct 14 11:05:28 2011 From: chojiro1990 at gmail.com (Nicolai Svendsen) Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2011 12:05:28 +0200 Subject: Syncing to Google Contacts perhaps broken in 10.7.2 Message-ID: <60696220-7E2D-4881-8A3E-CC7B2E47979E@gmail.com> Hi everyone, I realize this may be a bit of an odd subject, but since I have an iPhone and an Android device, I wanted to run this by you guys. Firstly, what I have done is to click the "Accounts" tab in Preferences in Address Book, then selected "ON My Mac." I then click the "Account information" tab, then check the "GOogle" checkbox and click "Configure." I proceed to enter my login details after clicking "Agree" to Google's terms. Previously, my contacts used to update fine when this was connected, but if I check them on my Android device after clicking "Sync now" from the Sync status bar at the top of the screen, nothing updates on the website either. You also used to be able to see Sync details during sync and after synchronization, but I guess this broke as well. If you hold down the option key when activating a status bar icon to view additional items, extra information usually appears but all I am unable to do is open Sync Diagnostics which I'm not interested in, as OS X doesn't complain. I don't think this is a fault of Google, though, because if I update it on Android it seems to work fine. Is anyone willing to try this out please? It's kind of urgent. At first, this was very slick, as it enabled me to both back up to iCloud for iOS and Google for Android. This way, I was unable to keep contacts in Sync truly on all devices for both platforms instantly. Thank you. Regards, Nic From geoff.waaler at gmail.com Fri Oct 14 12:01:47 2011 From: geoff.waaler at gmail.com (Geoff Waaler) Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2011 07:01:47 -0400 Subject: Syncing to Google Contacts perhaps broken in 10.7.2 References: <60696220-7E2D-4881-8A3E-CC7B2E47979E@gmail.com> Message-ID: <8453F68719754062891A8CF03F93DED1@YOURZ8KUJVJGKY> Hi Nic, I can confirm this. I checked the option to sync Google contacts, yet nothing happened. This was two days ago in the previous release of Itunes, Lion and IOS though. Not much of a work-around, but I launched the gmail site and exported them. I googled my scenario, and saw other confirmations, but no solutions. Best regards, Geoff ----- Original Message ----- From: Nicolai Svendsen To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility Sent: Friday, October 14, 2011 6:05 AM Subject: Syncing to Google Contacts perhaps broken in 10.7.2 Hi everyone, I realize this may be a bit of an odd subject, but since I have an iPhone and an Android device, I wanted to run this by you guys. Firstly, what I have done is to click the "Accounts" tab in Preferences in Address Book, then selected "ON My Mac." I then click the "Account information" tab, then check the "GOogle" checkbox and click "Configure." I proceed to enter my login details after clicking "Agree" to Google's terms. Previously, my contacts used to update fine when this was connected, but if I check them on my Android device after clicking "Sync now" from the Sync status bar at the top of the screen, nothing updates on the website either. You also used to be able to see Sync details during sync and after synchronization, but I guess this broke as well. If you hold down the option key when activating a status bar icon to view additional items, extra information usually appears but all I am unable to do is open Sync Diagnostics which I'm not interested in, as OS X doesn't complain. I don't think this is a fault of Google, though, because if I update it on Android it seems to work fine. Is anyone willing to try this out please? It's kind of urgent. At first, this was very slick, as it enabled me to both back up to iCloud for iOS and Google for Android. This way, I was unable to keep contacts in Sync truly on all devices for both platforms instantly. Thank you. Regards, Nic <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: or at the public Mail Archive: . Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From chojiro1990 at gmail.com Fri Oct 14 12:13:46 2011 From: chojiro1990 at gmail.com (Nicolai Svendsen) Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2011 13:13:46 +0200 Subject: Syncing to Google Contacts perhaps broken in 10.7.2 In-Reply-To: <8453F68719754062891A8CF03F93DED1@YOURZ8KUJVJGKY> References: <60696220-7E2D-4881-8A3E-CC7B2E47979E@gmail.com> <8453F68719754062891A8CF03F93DED1@YOURZ8KUJVJGKY> Message-ID: Hello Geoff, Thanks a lot for checking on this. I'll report this right away, as well as the inability to click the See More links in messages. That one's needed fixing ever since the start. Regards, Nic On Oct 14, 2011, at 1:01 PM, Geoff Waaler wrote: > Hi Nic, > > I can confirm this. I checked the option to sync Google contacts, yet nothing happened. This was two days ago in the previous release of Itunes, Lion and IOS though. Not much of a work-around, but I launched the gmail site and exported them. I googled my scenario, and saw other confirmations, but no solutions. > > Best regards, > Geoff > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Nicolai Svendsen > To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility > Sent: Friday, October 14, 2011 6:05 AM > Subject: Syncing to Google Contacts perhaps broken in 10.7.2 > > > Hi everyone, > > I realize this may be a bit of an odd subject, but since I have an iPhone and an Android device, I wanted to run this by you guys. > > Firstly, what I have done is to click the "Accounts" tab in Preferences in Address Book, then selected "ON My Mac." I then click the "Account information" tab, then check the "GOogle" checkbox and click "Configure." I proceed to enter my login details after clicking "Agree" to Google's terms. Previously, my contacts used to update fine when this was connected, but if I check them on my Android device after clicking "Sync now" from the Sync status bar at the top of the screen, nothing updates on the website either. You also used to be able to see Sync details during sync and after synchronization, but I guess this broke as well. If you hold down the option key when activating a status bar icon to view additional items, extra information usually appears but all I am unable to do is open Sync Diagnostics which I'm not interested in, as OS X doesn't complain. I don't think this is a fault of Google, though, because if I update it on Android it seems to work fine. > > Is anyone willing to try this out please? It's kind of urgent. At first, this was very slick, as it enabled me to both back up to iCloud for iOS and Google for Android. This way, I was unable to keep contacts in Sync truly on all devices for both platforms instantly. > > Thank you. > > Regards, > Nic > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From chojiro1990 at gmail.com Fri Oct 14 12:37:18 2011 From: chojiro1990 at gmail.com (Nicolai Svendsen) Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2011 13:37:18 +0200 Subject: voices in iOS five In-Reply-To: <48A831F9-66F8-48CF-8315-F1053EE7B0EB@gmail.com> References: <51BA0E48-6431-4CE0-9227-8E25E7700964@gmail.com> <439A797F-2D5A-41EC-BB83-D052BE5389D4@gmail.com> <34607BB8-2043-4547-8F84-1F9B292E19A7@mac-access.net> <48A831F9-66F8-48CF-8315-F1053EE7B0EB@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi! As a reply to my own message, I already got this confirmed. It has not been fixed as has been thought on the list, speaking of premium voices as originally was the case. At least, that's what we ended up talking about. If you download more than one premium voice and use the language rotor to switch to it, VoiceOver still uses the compact voice for other than your default language. This also applies to the various regions, so if you want your region voice to be premium you have to switch the format. This also applies to languages, and furthermore it still appears that voice disappear if you don't use them for a time. That is originally what I mentioned, but if others are getting different result that's peculiar since I'm using the same build. Also, I've heard rumors that people think the US voice is Jill. It's Samantha, just to clear that one up. Regards, Nic On Oct 13, 2011, at 9:15 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: > Hi! > > Did they fix it so that it knows to switch to the proper setting now? Previously, it always used to use compact when the compact setting was off. Also, you have to have the default language to the voice you wish to download. That part hasn't chained for me, so if you want to use premium voices, at least in my case compact is what you get with everything else. > > Regards, > Nic > On Oct 13, 2011, at 1:51 AM, Jonathan Tyrer wrote: > >> Why not try ading US English or whatever to the language rotor and >> changeing it that way? I think that if you do that, there's no need >> to mess around with the regional settings - mine switches happily >> between British and US English voices on IOS 5. >> >> Best wishes. >> >> Jonathan >> >> On 12/10/2011, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: >>> Hello Nic >>> >>> Yes, this is still the case. Change regions and you get kayos here. >>> Everything goes absolutely mental and our carrier signal goes AWOL. >>> >>> Lynne >>> >>> On 12 Oct 2011, at 21:18, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: >>> >>> I remember speaking with Lynne about this a few months back, and when she >>> tried it apparently the iPhone was unable to change the setting because of >>> the baseband. Whether this is still the case, I'm not sure, though I still >>> can't understand why that would have to change when you switch regions. I >>> personally have never had issues doing this. >>> >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to >>> mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at >>> either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>> >>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>> . >>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus >>> and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting >>> the list website at: >>> >>> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > From moore.c at blueyonder.co.uk Fri Oct 14 13:03:34 2011 From: moore.c at blueyonder.co.uk (Chris Moore) Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2011 13:03:34 +0100 Subject: voices in iOS five In-Reply-To: References: <51BA0E48-6431-4CE0-9227-8E25E7700964@gmail.com> <439A797F-2D5A-41EC-BB83-D052BE5389D4@gmail.com> <34607BB8-2043-4547-8F84-1F9B292E19A7@mac-access.net> <48A831F9-66F8-48CF-8315-F1053EE7B0EB@gmail.com> Message-ID: <753F3145-B068-49C4-AAEA-7FB2DAB88081@blueyonder.co.uk> It would make more sense if Apple enables us to decide on what the default voice should be. Should i really have to listen to Daniel every time I hold in my home button to verbally interact with my phone? This does not just effect VO users, but anyone who takes advantage of voice commands, especially in the iPhone 4s. Drivers are able to select their preferred voice when listening to GPS systems such as TomTom etc. So as users become more dependant on barking instructions at their phone and listening to the default voice (which they can't change), they are going to start demanding the ability to choose what their PA should sound like. Chris On 14 Oct 2011, at 12:37, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: > Hi! > > As a reply to my own message, I already got this confirmed. It has not been fixed as has been thought on the list, speaking of premium voices as originally was the case. At least, that's what we ended up talking about. > > If you download more than one premium voice and use the language rotor to switch to it, VoiceOver still uses the compact voice for other than your default language. This also applies to the various regions, so if you want your region voice to be premium you have to switch the format. This also applies to languages, and furthermore it still appears that voice disappear if you don't use them for a time. > > That is originally what I mentioned, but if others are getting different result that's peculiar since I'm using the same build. Also, I've heard rumors that people think the US voice is Jill. It's Samantha, just to clear that one up. > > Regards, > Nic > On Oct 13, 2011, at 9:15 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: > >> Hi! >> >> Did they fix it so that it knows to switch to the proper setting now? Previously, it always used to use compact when the compact setting was off. Also, you have to have the default language to the voice you wish to download. That part hasn't chained for me, so if you want to use premium voices, at least in my case compact is what you get with everything else. >> >> Regards, >> Nic >> On Oct 13, 2011, at 1:51 AM, Jonathan Tyrer wrote: >> >>> Why not try ading US English or whatever to the language rotor and >>> changeing it that way? I think that if you do that, there's no need >>> to mess around with the regional settings - mine switches happily >>> between British and US English voices on IOS 5. >>> >>> Best wishes. >>> >>> Jonathan >>> >>> On 12/10/2011, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: >>>> Hello Nic >>>> >>>> Yes, this is still the case. Change regions and you get kayos here. >>>> Everything goes absolutely mental and our carrier signal goes AWOL. >>>> >>>> Lynne >>>> >>>> On 12 Oct 2011, at 21:18, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: >>>> >>>> I remember speaking with Lynne about this a few months back, and when she >>>> tried it apparently the iPhone was unable to change the setting because of >>>> the baseband. Whether this is still the case, I'm not sure, though I still >>>> can't understand why that would have to change when you switch regions. I >>>> personally have never had issues doing this. >>>> >>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to >>>> mac-access at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at >>>> either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>>> >>>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>>> . >>>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>>> >>>> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus >>>> and worm-free! >>>> >>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting >>>> the list website at: >>>> >>>> >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>> >>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>> . >>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From chojiro1990 at gmail.com Fri Oct 14 13:26:38 2011 From: chojiro1990 at gmail.com (Nicolai Svendsen) Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2011 14:26:38 +0200 Subject: voices in iOS five In-Reply-To: <753F3145-B068-49C4-AAEA-7FB2DAB88081@blueyonder.co.uk> References: <51BA0E48-6431-4CE0-9227-8E25E7700964@gmail.com> <439A797F-2D5A-41EC-BB83-D052BE5389D4@gmail.com> <34607BB8-2043-4547-8F84-1F9B292E19A7@mac-access.net> <48A831F9-66F8-48CF-8315-F1053EE7B0EB@gmail.com> <753F3145-B068-49C4-AAEA-7FB2DAB88081@blueyonder.co.uk> Message-ID: Hi! That's another good point. You don't really have any control of it beyond VoiceOver, and even so, it still downloads the voice whether you use Voiceover or not, and basically whether you want the voice or not. I find it strange that Apple hasn't implemented a method to disable this, or change it at least. For people such as myself, changing the region does it, but that's apparently not possible for UK iPhone users. Regards, Nic On Oct 14, 2011, at 2:03 PM, Chris Moore wrote: > It would make more sense if Apple enables us to decide on what the default voice should be. Should i really have to listen to Daniel every time I hold in my home button to verbally interact with my phone? This does not just effect VO users, but anyone who takes advantage of voice commands, especially in the iPhone 4s. > > Drivers are able to select their preferred voice when listening to GPS systems such as TomTom etc. So as users become more dependant on barking instructions at their phone and listening to the default voice (which they can't change), they are going to start demanding the ability to choose what their PA should sound like. > > Chris > On 14 Oct 2011, at 12:37, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: > >> Hi! >> >> As a reply to my own message, I already got this confirmed. It has not been fixed as has been thought on the list, speaking of premium voices as originally was the case. At least, that's what we ended up talking about. >> >> If you download more than one premium voice and use the language rotor to switch to it, VoiceOver still uses the compact voice for other than your default language. This also applies to the various regions, so if you want your region voice to be premium you have to switch the format. This also applies to languages, and furthermore it still appears that voice disappear if you don't use them for a time. >> >> That is originally what I mentioned, but if others are getting different result that's peculiar since I'm using the same build. Also, I've heard rumors that people think the US voice is Jill. It's Samantha, just to clear that one up. >> >> Regards, >> Nic >> On Oct 13, 2011, at 9:15 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: >> >>> Hi! >>> >>> Did they fix it so that it knows to switch to the proper setting now? Previously, it always used to use compact when the compact setting was off. Also, you have to have the default language to the voice you wish to download. That part hasn't chained for me, so if you want to use premium voices, at least in my case compact is what you get with everything else. >>> >>> Regards, >>> Nic >>> On Oct 13, 2011, at 1:51 AM, Jonathan Tyrer wrote: >>> >>>> Why not try ading US English or whatever to the language rotor and >>>> changeing it that way? I think that if you do that, there's no need >>>> to mess around with the regional settings - mine switches happily >>>> between British and US English voices on IOS 5. >>>> >>>> Best wishes. >>>> >>>> Jonathan >>>> >>>> On 12/10/2011, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: >>>>> Hello Nic >>>>> >>>>> Yes, this is still the case. Change regions and you get kayos here. >>>>> Everything goes absolutely mental and our carrier signal goes AWOL. >>>>> >>>>> Lynne >>>>> >>>>> On 12 Oct 2011, at 21:18, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I remember speaking with Lynne about this a few months back, and when she >>>>> tried it apparently the iPhone was unable to change the setting because of >>>>> the baseband. Whether this is still the case, I'm not sure, though I still >>>>> can't understand why that would have to change when you switch regions. I >>>>> personally have never had issues doing this. >>>>> >>>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>>> >>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to >>>>> mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>> >>>>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at >>>>> either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>>>> >>>>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>>>> . >>>>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus >>>>> and worm-free! >>>>> >>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting >>>>> the list website at: >>>>> >>>>> >>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>>> >>>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>>> . >>>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>>> >>>> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>> >>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>> >>> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From james.austin at mac-access.net Fri Oct 14 14:22:04 2011 From: james.austin at mac-access.net (James AUSTIN) Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2011 14:22:04 +0100 Subject: iWork updates for IOS, has OSX been forgotten about? Message-ID: <758B2999-9AED-44D3-A176-7CB8F1454B38@mac-access.net> Afternoon folks, It seems that Apple has seen fit to update iWork for IOS, adding improved functionality to the suite, as well as the ability to use iCloud. But, where are the OS X updates? iWork on OS X has not seen a major revision in two years. While Pages is very good, there are nevertheless features and aspects which need improvement. Whether this is Pages or VO related, I'm not qualified to say. Numbers too, is a mess with VO. Keynote seems to work quite well, although I've not had the time yet or the need to put this app through its paces. I hope Apple will soon update iWork, not just with a minor update that will provide iCloud support, but with a major revision. Be aware though, that when I've applied for jobs with Apple, the ability to use MS Office has been a requirement. It sounds as if Apple themselves are not making any positive movements in the direction of iWork. I would hate to see OS X left behind in favour of IOS. Hopefully, Apple will not forget where they came from and continue to support OS X with the same fervour that they do IOS. TC :) James From grtdane at internode.on.net Fri Oct 14 14:41:49 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2011 00:41:49 +1100 Subject: IOS5, I Messaging and Twitter Message-ID: <4E983C1D.6020009@internode.on.net> Hi! I've just updated my Ipad to IOS5 - No hurry was there - and I have a couple of questions regarding the Imessage and Twitter apps. I notice with Imessage you can send messages between Iphones and Ipads so is this network dependent? I mean do the IOS devices have to be on a single say wi-fi network or can I send a Message using Imessage to another list member who owns an IOS device anywhere in the world. I notice in the "Settings" panel there are settings for Twitter, how does this work, is this a separate app or something? And now an observation, I'm using Karen Compact as my voice and its sounding better than I thought it would so I won't be bothering to upgrade to the better quality Karen voice, I'm given to understand that this voice at times can become choppy? Well regardless of whether this statement is true or false, I'd imagine I'd have more space for other content if I didn't bother downloading the extra voice and Karen Compact? Well she don't sound too bad . -- Dane Trethowan Sending email from his EEEPC Netbook From moriond at mac.com Fri Oct 14 14:58:21 2011 From: moriond at mac.com (Esther) Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2011 03:58:21 -1000 Subject: Spanish Accents With Keyboard In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <02B19445-0873-4D6F-8170-48C57A985634@mac.com> Hi Jane, I'm appending the keyboard combinations you want to type Spanish accented letters with the Option key combinations. Accented characters on the regular Mac keyboard For accents and more common special characters, using the Option key in combination with the Control, Command, and Shift keys give many of the necessary characters. If I need to type special characters as part of names, I'll use the Option key method to generate accents: acute accent - Option-e grave accent - Option-accent sign (on an English input keyboard, this is the leftmost key below escape and above tab) circumflex accent - Option-i diaeresis - Option-u tilde - Option-n This group are "dead keys". You need to type the accented letter after the Option+letter combination, so to type an "e" with an acute accent you press the Option+e keys, release, and then type the letter "e". If you press "Return" without typing a letter, you simply get the accent mark. For punctuation marks: inverted exclamation mark Option+1 inverted question mark Option+Shift+slash (Shift+/ is question mark) HTH. Cheers, Esther On Oct 13, 2011, Jane wrote: > I had a list of keyboard combos to write Spanish accented letters, the tilde, inverted question mark and exclamation mark, and so on. Unfortunately, it once again got lost in a crash. Can anyone send me, off list if necessary, instructions on how to set all of this up again? Want to start practice writing in Spanish again, but can't do so without the accents. > > Jane From ianandriggs at googlemail.com Fri Oct 14 15:14:08 2011 From: ianandriggs at googlemail.com (Ian McNamara) Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2011 15:14:08 +0100 Subject: iWork updates for IOS, has OSX been forgotten about? In-Reply-To: <758B2999-9AED-44D3-A176-7CB8F1454B38@mac-access.net> References: <758B2999-9AED-44D3-A176-7CB8F1454B38@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <3CB51E03-114E-4558-AEA1-9C2201521955@googlemail.com> Surely they have to as if they leave o s x out they might as well just make a vergin of i o s for every computer. Ian McNamara From va3ets2000 at me.com Fri Oct 14 14:47:08 2011 From: va3ets2000 at me.com (Dan Eickmeier) Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2011 09:47:08 -0400 Subject: iCloud versus MobileMe Web interface = Same old same old? In-Reply-To: <0DD4542F-405B-4F4F-BB84-52BDA1F4D780@me.com> References: <0DD4542F-405B-4F4F-BB84-52BDA1F4D780@me.com> Message-ID: Hi Brian, same thing here. Getting unlabeled buttons as well, and a totally inaccessible timezone selection thing. On Oct 13, 2011, at 11:01 PM, Bryan Jones wrote: > Hi Folks, > > Subject line says it all, but I' hoping maybe I just missed something. Can anyone else who previously used a mobile me account and is now using icloud take a browse around the web interface and tell me if you're having any luck? I'm getting a bunch of unlabeled buttons on the opening login screen, a time zone picker that is inaccessible, and then what appears to be the same old mobile me web apps that are not reporting anything in the web rotor. > TIA, > Bryan > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From juanitatighan at gmail.com Fri Oct 14 15:52:51 2011 From: juanitatighan at gmail.com (Jane) Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2011 10:52:51 -0400 Subject: Spanish Accents With Keyboard In-Reply-To: <02B19445-0873-4D6F-8170-48C57A985634@mac.com> References: <02B19445-0873-4D6F-8170-48C57A985634@mac.com> Message-ID: <1A764194-CFA8-44E3-96F9-E9F2EF1CECB6@gmail.com> Thanks! Hopefully I've gotten these saved, now. Jane On Oct 14, 2011, at 9:58 AM, Esther wrote: > Hi Jane, > > I'm appending the keyboard combinations you want to type Spanish accented letters with the Option key combinations. > > Accented characters on the regular Mac keyboard > > For accents and more common special characters, using > the Option key in combination with the Control, Command, and Shift > keys give many of the necessary characters. If I need to type special > characters as part of names, I'll use the Option key method to > generate accents: > > acute accent - Option-e > grave accent - Option-accent sign (on an English input keyboard, this > is the leftmost key below escape and above tab) > circumflex accent - Option-i > diaeresis - Option-u > tilde - Option-n > > This group are "dead keys". You need to type the accented letter > after the Option+letter combination, so to type an "e" with an acute > accent you press the Option+e keys, release, and then type the letter > "e". If you press "Return" without typing a letter, you simply get > the accent mark. > > For punctuation marks: > inverted exclamation mark Option+1 > inverted question mark Option+Shift+slash (Shift+/ is question > mark) > > HTH. Cheers, > > Esther > > > On Oct 13, 2011, Jane wrote: > >> I had a list of keyboard combos to write Spanish accented letters, the tilde, inverted question mark and exclamation mark, and so on. Unfortunately, it once again got lost in a crash. Can anyone send me, off list if necessary, instructions on how to set all of this up again? Want to start practice writing in Spanish again, but can't do so without the accents. >> >> Jane > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From chris.hallsworth at techno-chat.net Fri Oct 14 16:03:10 2011 From: chris.hallsworth at techno-chat.net (chris hallsworth) Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2011 16:03:10 +0100 Subject: IOS5, I Messaging and Twitter In-Reply-To: <4E983C1D.6020009@internode.on.net> References: <4E983C1D.6020009@internode.on.net> Message-ID: <4E984F2E.9030003@techno-chat.net> iMessaging works regardless of connection or location, so long as devices running iOS 5 are involved. As for your second I must try the new Twitter integration. Will report back. I use South African English and she is awesome in terms of clarity. She sounds a bit like sarina, excuse spelling, on iOS 4. On 14/10/2011 14:41, Dane Trethowan wrote: > Hi! > > I've just updated my Ipad to IOS5 - No hurry was there - and I > have a couple of questions regarding the Imessage and Twitter apps. > > I notice with Imessage you can send messages between Iphones and Ipads > so is this network dependent? I mean do the IOS devices have to be on a > single say wi-fi network or can I send a Message using Imessage to > another list member who owns an IOS device anywhere in the world. > > I notice in the "Settings" panel there are settings for Twitter, how > does this work, is this a separate app or something? > > And now an observation, I'm using Karen Compact as my voice and its > sounding better than I thought it would so I won't be bothering to > upgrade to the better quality Karen voice, I'm given to understand that > this voice at times can become choppy? Well regardless of whether this > statement is true or false, I'd imagine I'd have more space for other > content if I didn't bother downloading the extra voice and Karen > Compact? Well she don't sound too bad . > > From solsticesinger at gmail.com Fri Oct 14 16:18:43 2011 From: solsticesinger at gmail.com (Shannon Dyer) Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2011 11:18:43 -0400 Subject: IOS5, I Messaging and Twitter In-Reply-To: <4E984F2E.9030003@techno-chat.net> References: <4E983C1D.6020009@internode.on.net> <4E984F2E.9030003@techno-chat.net> Message-ID: <73375D3A-9D3C-4D24-AC33-10A9415DE6CF@gmail.com> I assume, if using IMessage with someone in another country, you'd need to have all necessary country codes. Is this correct? Shannon Are you a fan of women's music? If so, join me each Thursday from noon until three for the Eclectic Collection: a Celebration of Women In Music. Point your media player to: http://mojoradio.us/listen or www.mintfm.net On Oct 14, 2011, at 11:03 AM, chris hallsworth wrote: > iMessaging works regardless of connection or location, so long as devices running iOS 5 are involved. As for your second I must try the new Twitter integration. Will report back. I use South African English and she is awesome in terms of clarity. She sounds a bit like sarina, excuse spelling, on iOS 4. > > On 14/10/2011 14:41, Dane Trethowan wrote: >> Hi! >> >> I've just updated my Ipad to IOS5 - No hurry was there - and I >> have a couple of questions regarding the Imessage and Twitter apps. >> >> I notice with Imessage you can send messages between Iphones and Ipads >> so is this network dependent? I mean do the IOS devices have to be on a >> single say wi-fi network or can I send a Message using Imessage to >> another list member who owns an IOS device anywhere in the world. >> >> I notice in the "Settings" panel there are settings for Twitter, how >> does this work, is this a separate app or something? >> >> And now an observation, I'm using Karen Compact as my voice and its >> sounding better than I thought it would so I won't be bothering to >> upgrade to the better quality Karen voice, I'm given to understand that >> this voice at times can become choppy? Well regardless of whether this >> statement is true or false, I'd imagine I'd have more space for other >> content if I didn't bother downloading the extra voice and Karen >> Compact? Well she don't sound too bad . >> >> > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From chris.hallsworth at techno-chat.net Fri Oct 14 16:42:49 2011 From: chris.hallsworth at techno-chat.net (chris hallsworth) Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2011 16:42:49 +0100 Subject: IOS5, I Messaging and Twitter In-Reply-To: <73375D3A-9D3C-4D24-AC33-10A9415DE6CF@gmail.com> References: <4E983C1D.6020009@internode.on.net> <4E984F2E.9030003@techno-chat.net> <73375D3A-9D3C-4D24-AC33-10A9415DE6CF@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4E985879.60801@techno-chat.net> Not sure but if this is the case you can always use an e-mail address. On 14/10/2011 16:18, Shannon Dyer wrote: > I assume, if using IMessage with someone in another country, you'd need to have all necessary country codes. Is this correct? > > Shannon > Are you a fan of women's music? If so, join me each Thursday from noon until three for the Eclectic Collection: a Celebration of Women In Music. Point your media player to: > http://mojoradio.us/listen > or > www.mintfm.net > > On Oct 14, 2011, at 11:03 AM, chris hallsworth wrote: > >> iMessaging works regardless of connection or location, so long as devices running iOS 5 are involved. As for your second I must try the new Twitter integration. Will report back. I use South African English and she is awesome in terms of clarity. She sounds a bit like sarina, excuse spelling, on iOS 4. >> >> On 14/10/2011 14:41, Dane Trethowan wrote: >>> Hi! >>> >>> I've just updated my Ipad to IOS5 - No hurry was there - and I >>> have a couple of questions regarding the Imessage and Twitter apps. >>> >>> I notice with Imessage you can send messages between Iphones and Ipads >>> so is this network dependent? I mean do the IOS devices have to be on a >>> single say wi-fi network or can I send a Message using Imessage to >>> another list member who owns an IOS device anywhere in the world. >>> >>> I notice in the "Settings" panel there are settings for Twitter, how >>> does this work, is this a separate app or something? >>> >>> And now an observation, I'm using Karen Compact as my voice and its >>> sounding better than I thought it would so I won't be bothering to >>> upgrade to the better quality Karen voice, I'm given to understand that >>> this voice at times can become choppy? Well regardless of whether this >>> statement is true or false, I'd imagine I'd have more space for other >>> content if I didn't bother downloading the extra voice and Karen >>> Compact? Well she don't sound too bad. >>> >>> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > > From chojiro1990 at gmail.com Fri Oct 14 16:43:54 2011 From: chojiro1990 at gmail.com (Nicolai Svendsen) Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2011 17:43:54 +0200 Subject: IOS5, I Messaging and Twitter In-Reply-To: <4E985879.60801@techno-chat.net> References: <4E983C1D.6020009@internode.on.net> <4E984F2E.9030003@techno-chat.net> <73375D3A-9D3C-4D24-AC33-10A9415DE6CF@gmail.com> <4E985879.60801@techno-chat.net> Message-ID: <3CB78A28-FBE8-4238-840A-11CAF6B5B8C3@gmail.com> Hi! Yes, you have to use a country code as with regular messages. Otherwise, it assumes that the number exists within your current country and who knows who you're sending to then? Regards, Nic On Oct 14, 2011, at 5:42 PM, chris hallsworth wrote: > Not sure but if this is the case you can always use an e-mail address. > > On 14/10/2011 16:18, Shannon Dyer wrote: >> I assume, if using IMessage with someone in another country, you'd need to have all necessary country codes. Is this correct? >> >> Shannon >> Are you a fan of women's music? If so, join me each Thursday from noon until three for the Eclectic Collection: a Celebration of Women In Music. Point your media player to: >> http://mojoradio.us/listen >> or >> www.mintfm.net >> >> On Oct 14, 2011, at 11:03 AM, chris hallsworth wrote: >> >>> iMessaging works regardless of connection or location, so long as devices running iOS 5 are involved. As for your second I must try the new Twitter integration. Will report back. I use South African English and she is awesome in terms of clarity. She sounds a bit like sarina, excuse spelling, on iOS 4. >>> >>> On 14/10/2011 14:41, Dane Trethowan wrote: >>>> Hi! >>>> >>>> I've just updated my Ipad to IOS5 - No hurry was there - and I >>>> have a couple of questions regarding the Imessage and Twitter apps. >>>> >>>> I notice with Imessage you can send messages between Iphones and Ipads >>>> so is this network dependent? I mean do the IOS devices have to be on a >>>> single say wi-fi network or can I send a Message using Imessage to >>>> another list member who owns an IOS device anywhere in the world. >>>> >>>> I notice in the "Settings" panel there are settings for Twitter, how >>>> does this work, is this a separate app or something? >>>> >>>> And now an observation, I'm using Karen Compact as my voice and its >>>> sounding better than I thought it would so I won't be bothering to >>>> upgrade to the better quality Karen voice, I'm given to understand that >>>> this voice at times can become choppy? Well regardless of whether this >>>> statement is true or false, I'd imagine I'd have more space for other >>>> content if I didn't bother downloading the extra voice and Karen >>>> Compact? Well she don't sound too bad. >>>> >>>> >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>> >>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>> . >>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> >> > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From marrie12 at gmail.com Fri Oct 14 16:49:06 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2011 08:49:06 -0700 Subject: Hands on with Find My iPhone, Mac, and Friends Message-ID: <4AC7DDB5-48F9-4EFA-A7D6-65A146DB19AA@gmail.com> this is a pretty interesting article on how these features work. and if anyone wants to test the friends app with me let me know off list so we don't cludder but enjoy the indepth review and read. Hands on with Find My iPhone, Mac, and Friends The launch of iCloud has ushered in a spate of location-aware services that help you track down your iOS devices, your Mac, and even your friends. Dan Frakes takes Find My iPhone, Find My Mac, and Find My Friends out for a spin. http://macw.us/qu2xE3 From ianandriggs at googlemail.com Fri Oct 14 17:41:01 2011 From: ianandriggs at googlemail.com (Ian McNamara) Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2011 17:41:01 +0100 Subject: IOS5, I Messaging and Twitter In-Reply-To: <4E984F2E.9030003@techno-chat.net> References: <4E983C1D.6020009@internode.on.net> <4E984F2E.9030003@techno-chat.net> Message-ID: Hi that's the voice i use yep would be interested to know how twittter works as i have the twitter app allready for my ipod. From hopewell at hopewell.org.uk Fri Oct 14 17:45:09 2011 From: hopewell at hopewell.org.uk (Paul Hopewell) Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2011 17:45:09 +0100 Subject: iCloud documentation Message-ID: <62395D05-E418-4A13-9C1D-D45552CF177F@hopewell.org.uk> Hello, Is there any good documentation on the iCloud function introduced in Mac OS 10.7.2? I have found iCloud in the system preferences and believe I have set it up correctly. However nothing seems to be uploaded to my 5 GB of free iCloud storage. If I press the help button on the iCloud preference panes I get a message saying that the help cannot be retrieved because I am not connected to the Internet! That error message is clearly incorrect. Hence my need to read some good documentation. Also is there any good documentation on other new features in 10.7.2, especially any accessibility or Safari changes? Many thanks. Paul Hopewell From juanitatighan at gmail.com Fri Oct 14 17:48:24 2011 From: juanitatighan at gmail.com (Jane) Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2011 12:48:24 -0400 Subject: iPad is updating!!! Message-ID: <61F9FC71-A969-4897-823C-FE5936EE608D@gmail.com> So, I checked the support Communities and did a search for Error (a). The general consensus was to keep trying and it would eventually restore. Well I'd already tried it once today, but I decided, what the heck? I plugged it in, told it to restore, and it is right now restoring my iPad apps. Thank God! How long will this restore thing take, anyhow, and what *is* this new voice? Jane From chojiro1990 at gmail.com Fri Oct 14 18:03:04 2011 From: chojiro1990 at gmail.com (Nicolai Svendsen) Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2011 19:03:04 +0200 Subject: IOS5, I Messaging and Twitter In-Reply-To: References: <4E983C1D.6020009@internode.on.net> <4E984F2E.9030003@techno-chat.net> Message-ID: <11B96C40-D237-4410-B22F-712738F92B28@gmail.com> Hi! Entering Twitter information only permits you to share photos, Youtube clips and such via the apps directly, which means that the settings you enter into Settings>Twitter are automatically used when tweeting from these applications. You can also add text and geotags to your tweets. Incidentally, you can have Twitter check your contacts and based on email addresses have Twitter add their Twitter usernames. It all works pretty well. it also lets you install the official Twitter application from that settings category. Regards, Nic On Oct 14, 2011, at 6:41 PM, Ian McNamara wrote: > Hi that's the voice i use yep would be interested to know how twittter works as i have the twitter app allready for my ipod. > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From will.d.lomas at gmail.com Fri Oct 14 19:01:19 2011 From: will.d.lomas at gmail.com (william lomas) Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2011 19:01:19 +0100 Subject: voices in iOS five In-Reply-To: References: <51BA0E48-6431-4CE0-9227-8E25E7700964@gmail.com> <439A797F-2D5A-41EC-BB83-D052BE5389D4@gmail.com> <34607BB8-2043-4547-8F84-1F9B292E19A7@mac-access.net> <48A831F9-66F8-48CF-8315-F1053EE7B0EB@gmail.com> <753F3145-B068-49C4-AAEA-7FB2DAB88081@blueyonder.co.uk> Message-ID: <8883130B-E809-44D3-9C07-74540D9AB6C9@gmail.com> so i have to switch region then i think siri uses samamtha On Oct 14, 2011, at 1:26 PM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: > Hi! > > That's another good point. You don't really have any control of it beyond VoiceOver, and even so, it still downloads the voice whether you use Voiceover or not, and basically whether you want the voice or not. > > I find it strange that Apple hasn't implemented a method to disable this, or change it at least. For people such as myself, changing the region does it, but that's apparently not possible for UK iPhone users. > > Regards, > Nic > On Oct 14, 2011, at 2:03 PM, Chris Moore wrote: > >> It would make more sense if Apple enables us to decide on what the default voice should be. Should i really have to listen to Daniel every time I hold in my home button to verbally interact with my phone? This does not just effect VO users, but anyone who takes advantage of voice commands, especially in the iPhone 4s. >> >> Drivers are able to select their preferred voice when listening to GPS systems such as TomTom etc. So as users become more dependant on barking instructions at their phone and listening to the default voice (which they can't change), they are going to start demanding the ability to choose what their PA should sound like. >> >> Chris >> On 14 Oct 2011, at 12:37, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: >> >>> Hi! >>> >>> As a reply to my own message, I already got this confirmed. It has not been fixed as has been thought on the list, speaking of premium voices as originally was the case. At least, that's what we ended up talking about. >>> >>> If you download more than one premium voice and use the language rotor to switch to it, VoiceOver still uses the compact voice for other than your default language. This also applies to the various regions, so if you want your region voice to be premium you have to switch the format. This also applies to languages, and furthermore it still appears that voice disappear if you don't use them for a time. >>> >>> That is originally what I mentioned, but if others are getting different result that's peculiar since I'm using the same build. Also, I've heard rumors that people think the US voice is Jill. It's Samantha, just to clear that one up. >>> >>> Regards, >>> Nic >>> On Oct 13, 2011, at 9:15 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: >>> >>>> Hi! >>>> >>>> Did they fix it so that it knows to switch to the proper setting now? Previously, it always used to use compact when the compact setting was off. Also, you have to have the default language to the voice you wish to download. That part hasn't chained for me, so if you want to use premium voices, at least in my case compact is what you get with everything else. >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> Nic >>>> On Oct 13, 2011, at 1:51 AM, Jonathan Tyrer wrote: >>>> >>>>> Why not try ading US English or whatever to the language rotor and >>>>> changeing it that way? I think that if you do that, there's no need >>>>> to mess around with the regional settings - mine switches happily >>>>> between British and US English voices on IOS 5. >>>>> >>>>> Best wishes. >>>>> >>>>> Jonathan >>>>> >>>>> On 12/10/2011, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: >>>>>> Hello Nic >>>>>> >>>>>> Yes, this is still the case. Change regions and you get kayos here. >>>>>> Everything goes absolutely mental and our carrier signal goes AWOL. >>>>>> >>>>>> Lynne >>>>>> >>>>>> On 12 Oct 2011, at 21:18, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> I remember speaking with Lynne about this a few months back, and when she >>>>>> tried it apparently the iPhone was unable to change the setting because of >>>>>> the baseband. Whether this is still the case, I'm not sure, though I still >>>>>> can't understand why that would have to change when you switch regions. I >>>>>> personally have never had issues doing this. >>>>>> >>>>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>>>> >>>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to >>>>>> mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>>> >>>>>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at >>>>>> either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>>>>> >>>>>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>>>>> . >>>>>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus >>>>>> and worm-free! >>>>>> >>>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting >>>>>> the list website at: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>>> >>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>> >>>>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>>>> >>>>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>>>> . >>>>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>>> >>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>>> >>>> >>> >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>> >>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>> . >>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From will.d.lomas at gmail.com Fri Oct 14 19:28:19 2011 From: will.d.lomas at gmail.com (william lomas) Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2011 19:28:19 +0100 Subject: ok so how i do it Message-ID: <99D873F4-CF52-4766-8A77-B955AC3814A1@gmail.com> hi ok so i have the official ios five on here and have restored on my iPhone 4 from iCloud do i have to just keep phone plugged in to computer and on wifi and set to US english in voiceover to get hq samamtha? or i have to change region format? compact voice is off From desiandcandy at q.com Fri Oct 14 19:52:15 2011 From: desiandcandy at q.com (Desi Noller) Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2011 11:52:15 -0700 Subject: Accessing Documents From The Dock Message-ID: <52DD4F8A-287F-41F7-B71A-51161153BB98@q.com> Hi Everybody, I'm still using SnowLeopard, and I have put some documents in my documents folder, but VO doesn't seem to be letting me get to them from the Dock. I can VO-right-Arrow to the documents folder, but when I press VO space to open the folder, VoiceOver says nothing. My sighted husband can see the documents in the folder, but they are not apparent to me at all! I just keep getting the prompt, "To open the folder, press VO plus space." I have also experienced the same issue with the Applications folder on the dock. Can anyone tell me what I'm doing wrong? Thanks in advance! Desi From ianandriggs at googlemail.com Fri Oct 14 20:07:49 2011 From: ianandriggs at googlemail.com (Ian McNamara) Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2011 20:07:49 +0100 Subject: games we can play with our friends. Message-ID: <891CC3A0-40B0-4CF5-A0E9-6AF6B27529FD@googlemail.com> Hi all does any one know of any accessable games that we can play on line with our friends on i o s. thanks very much Ian McNamara From will.d.lomas at gmail.com Fri Oct 14 20:36:05 2011 From: will.d.lomas at gmail.com (william lomas) Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2011 20:36:05 +0100 Subject: voices not working Message-ID: hi i have british danile when i restored to the official ios five, but now my region format was set to US by default but no samamtha even though been on wifi for 2 hours? oh well just have stick to daniel From ianandriggs at googlemail.com Fri Oct 14 20:39:17 2011 From: ianandriggs at googlemail.com (Ian McNamara) Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2011 20:39:17 +0100 Subject: voices not working In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2D1B143C-DCFA-4E5F-9370-42FFD8484331@googlemail.com> you have to go to the settings then the languidge roter then add the voices you want by double tapping each one mate. From chris.hallsworth at techno-chat.net Fri Oct 14 20:41:00 2011 From: chris.hallsworth at techno-chat.net (chris hallsworth) Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2011 20:41:00 +0100 Subject: games we can play with our friends. In-Reply-To: <891CC3A0-40B0-4CF5-A0E9-6AF6B27529FD@googlemail.com> References: <891CC3A0-40B0-4CF5-A0E9-6AF6B27529FD@googlemail.com> Message-ID: <4E98904C.40702@techno-chat.net> Anyone tried Game Centre? On 14/10/2011 20:07, Ian McNamara wrote: > Hi all does any one know of any accessable games that we can play on line with our friends on i o s. > > thanks very much Ian McNamara > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > > From moriond at mac.com Fri Oct 14 21:00:09 2011 From: moriond at mac.com (Esther) Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2011 10:00:09 -1000 Subject: Accessing Documents From The Dock In-Reply-To: <52DD4F8A-287F-41F7-B71A-51161153BB98@q.com> References: <52DD4F8A-287F-41F7-B71A-51161153BB98@q.com> Message-ID: Hi Desi, Folders that are placed into the Dock by default are set up to work with Stacks, I believe. What you want to do is navigate to the folder in your dock, and bring up the contextual menu with VO-Shift-M. If you use VO-Down arrow to move through the options, you'll find categories for "Sort by", "Display as", and "View content as". These are headings for the categories, and will be announced as "dimmed". The arguments you can check under "Sort by" are: "Name", "Date Added", "Date Modified", "Date Created", and "Kind", with "Name" checked as the default. It's the options in the "Display as" and "View content as" categories that you'll want to change. I set "Display as" to "Folder" instead of "Stack", and I set "View content as" to "List". I don't remember what the default setting of "View content as" is -- it may be "Automatic" or "Fan", but when the contents come up and are not in "List" mode VoiceOver doesn't announce them. You need to bring the context menu up for each item you want to change. So if you want to view your contents as "List", navigate to the folder, use VO-Shift-M, and VO-Down arrow to "List" then press return. Then if you want to display as "Folder", use VO-Shift-M again, arrow down to "Folder" and press return. You can use either the up and down arrow keys alone, or in combination with the VoiceOver Control and Option keys to navigate these menus. The difference is that you won't hear the category headings of "Sort by", "Display as", or "View content as" announced if you use the arrow keys alone without the VO keys. For anything you do apart from this initial setup, using just the arrow keys by themselves will give you all the information. Once you have set up the folder to be displayed as a folder and viewed as a list, you can just navigate to the folder and either press space bar or VO-Space to display the list of contents. VoiceOver will announce the entries as you arrow up and down the list. Access subfolders with your right arrow key, then move through files in your subfolder with the up and down arrow keys. Return to the parent folder by using the left arrow key. You can also move to the bottom of the list with Command+Down arrow or to the top of the list with Command+Up arrow. (This seems to move to the top or bottom of the visible list, so if your list is really long, continue to arrow up or down and then press Command+Up or Down arrow again.) The very end of the menu options will be an "Options" menu (where you can reset the view options we described above) and an "Open in Finder" option. This is handy if you want to do an actual copy and paste, or a move of the file in Finder. In addition, there's a rather neat trick if you want to move some of your iTunes folders like for Podcasts to the dock, because you can quickly navigate through the menus and start a podcast playing in iTunes from there! Also, I've found that in the dock you can use Fn+Down Arrow to cycle between the Applications section, the Folders section, and the Trash. Fn+Up Arrow also works in the reverse direction. So this is a quick way to move to the documents section of the dock after you issue your VO-D or Control-F3 command to move to the dock. HTH. Cheers, Esther On Oct 14, 2011, at 08:52, Desi Noller wrote: > Hi Everybody, > > I'm still using SnowLeopard, and I have put some documents in my documents folder, but VO doesn't seem to be letting me get to them from the Dock. I can VO-right-Arrow to the documents folder, but when I press VO space to open the folder, VoiceOver says nothing. My sighted husband can see the documents in the folder, but they are not apparent to me at all! I just keep getting the prompt, "To open the folder, press VO plus space." I have also experienced the same issue with the Applications folder on the dock. Can anyone tell me what I'm doing wrong? Thanks in advance! > > Desi From joncohn at cox.net Fri Oct 14 21:03:16 2011 From: joncohn at cox.net (Jon Cohn) Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2011 16:03:16 -0400 Subject: MobileGeo replacement? Message-ID: <6C660010-AC97-4096-B52F-92ED83C67961@cox.net> Well, for the past 4 years, I have been using my Windows 6.5 phone since I refused to leave Sprint as a carrier. NOw, I can finally get a modern phone to use in the iPhone that will be accessabile. My main concern, is with losing MobileGeo just as I am about to start a new job in a new location. Now I expect with the builtin compass I should be beter off knowing if I am walking in the right direction from the start, but will I need a 32GB phone to store a GPS app on it or am I fairly safe with a smaller phone. Also, should I initially get a new phone number, so I can keep my codefactory license live until I learn the iPhone? I have been using Macintoshes since '88 and I am excited that now I will have a chance to use an iPhone. Thanks, Jonathan Jonathan C. Cohn joncohn at cox.net From n0oxy at charter.net Fri Oct 14 21:44:48 2011 From: n0oxy at charter.net (Mike Arrigo) Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2011 16:44:48 -0400 Subject: MobileGeo replacement? Message-ID: 83579dc6-04d1-4591-a3c0-d6db82b05caa@samobile.net I assume you're staying with Sprint, in that case, you should be able to keep your number, even if you switched carriers, the number could probably be ported. There are some nice apps for gps, a 32 GB phone is plenty, the entire United States takes about 1 GB with the iphone GPS apps. The map engine Sendero uses for mobile geo is several years behind the times. For navigation, check out navigon, TomTom, or motionx GPS, that one is my favorite. To tell where you are, you may want to get the sendero look around app. I use GPS on iphone and android and I do not miss mobile geo at all, the main stream apps do what I need. Original message: > Well, for the past 4 years, I have been using my Windows 6.5 > phone since I refused to leave Sprint as a carrier. NOw, I can finally > get a modern phone to use in the iPhone that will be accessabile. My > main concern, is with losing MobileGeo just as I am about to start a > new job in a new location. > Now I expect with the builtin compass I should be beter off knowing if > I am walking in the right direction from the start, but will I need a > 32GB phone to store a GPS app on it or am I fairly safe with a smaller > phone. Also, should I initially get a new phone number, so I can keep > my codefactory license live until I learn the iPhone? > I have been using Macintoshes since '88 and I am excited that now I > will have a chance to use an iPhone. > Thanks, > Jonathan > Jonathan C. Cohn > joncohn at cox.net > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access > forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, > virus and worm-free! > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by > visiting the list website at: > -- Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. From opensesame at me.com Fri Oct 14 21:25:23 2011 From: opensesame at me.com (Bryan Jones) Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2011 16:25:23 -0400 Subject: MobileGeo replacement? In-Reply-To: <6C660010-AC97-4096-B52F-92ED83C67961@cox.net> References: <6C660010-AC97-4096-B52F-92ED83C67961@cox.net> Message-ID: <8FE37D4D-66BD-4DC4-BD78-0AB49499CAE1@me.com> Hello John, I'm sure you'll get lots of opinions here regarding the best IOS based replacements for Geo. Three other resources you might want to check out are: 1. You can search the mail archive for this list by using the link provided at the bottom of each email. 2. You can find reviews of apps including navigation apps on www.applevis.com. 3. You can also listen to some good podcasts by `mike Arrigo comparing various navigation apps. Those can be found on the www.blindcooltech.com site. With regard to keeping your old phone number, if I remember correctly Geo and it's maps are loaded locally on the phone or SD card and thus require no cellular data connection, just a GPS signal. If that is still the case, then you should be able to use your old winmob phone as a standalone device dedicated just to Geo and this would allow you to transfer your existing phone number to your new phone if so desired. HTH, Bryan On Oct 14, 2011, at 4:03 PM, Jon Cohn wrote: > Well, for the past 4 years, I have been using my Windows 6.5 phone since I refused to leave Sprint as a carrier. NOw, I can finally get a modern phone to use in the iPhone that will be accessabile. My main concern, is with losing MobileGeo just as I am about to start a new job in a new location. > > Now I expect with the builtin compass I should be beter off knowing if I am walking in the right direction from the start, but will I need a 32GB phone to store a GPS app on it or am I fairly safe with a smaller phone. Also, should I initially get a new phone number, so I can keep my codefactory license live until I learn the iPhone? > > I have been using Macintoshes since '88 and I am excited that now I will have a chance to use an iPhone. > > Thanks, > > Jonathan > > Jonathan C. Cohn > joncohn at cox.net > > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From marrie12 at gmail.com Fri Oct 14 22:26:13 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2011 14:26:13 -0700 Subject: games we can play with our friends. In-Reply-To: <4E98904C.40702@techno-chat.net> References: <891CC3A0-40B0-4CF5-A0E9-6AF6B27529FD@googlemail.com> <4E98904C.40702@techno-chat.net> Message-ID: <341082EB-A504-443E-A4A4-8EB7EF827F5A@gmail.com> yeah but you can't really play those games with our friends. blind memmory is there but you just try and beat your high score. On Oct 14, 2011, at 12:41 PM, chris hallsworth wrote: > Anyone tried Game Centre? > > On 14/10/2011 20:07, Ian McNamara wrote: >> Hi all does any one know of any accessable games that we can play on line with our friends on i o s. >> >> thanks very much Ian McNamara >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> >> > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From will.d.lomas at gmail.com Fri Oct 14 22:28:03 2011 From: will.d.lomas at gmail.com (william lomas) Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2011 22:28:03 +0100 Subject: itunes and albums Message-ID: <9EC4BB36-41F0-4C60-B051-E41CA22AAB73@gmail.com> hi all i just purchased an album why hasn't it shown up under the artist in iTunes not he mac? From desiandcandy at q.com Fri Oct 14 22:48:05 2011 From: desiandcandy at q.com (Desi Noller) Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2011 14:48:05 -0700 Subject: Accessing Documents From The Dock In-Reply-To: References: <52DD4F8A-287F-41F7-B71A-51161153BB98@q.com> Message-ID: Hi Esther, This is a fabulous explanation! Thank you so very much for taking the time! I will definitely keep this message and refer to it often! Again, thanks! I don't know why, but I always seem to forget about that wonderful context menu! Maybe it will finally be drummed into my head that it's there! Desi On Oct 14, 2011, at 1:00 PM, Esther wrote: > Hi Desi, > > Folders that are placed into the Dock by default are set up to work with Stacks, I believe. What you want to do is navigate to the folder in your dock, and bring up the contextual menu with VO-Shift-M. If you use VO-Down arrow to move through the options, you'll find categories for "Sort by", "Display as", and "View content as". These are headings for the categories, and will be announced as "dimmed". The arguments you can check under "Sort by" are: "Name", "Date Added", "Date Modified", "Date Created", and "Kind", with "Name" checked as the default. It's the options in the "Display as" and "View content as" categories that you'll want to change. I set "Display as" to "Folder" instead of "Stack", and I set "View content as" to "List". I don't remember what the default setting of "View content as" is -- it may be "Automatic" or "Fan", but when the contents come up and are not in "List" mode VoiceOver doesn't announce them. > > You need to bring the context menu up for each item you want to change. So if you want to view your contents as "List", navigate to the folder, use VO-Shift-M, and VO-Down arrow to "List" then press return. Then if you want to display as "Folder", use VO-Shift-M again, arrow down to "Folder" and press return. You can use either the up and down arrow keys alone, or in combination with the VoiceOver Control and Option keys to navigate these menus. The difference is that you won't hear the category headings of "Sort by", "Display as", or "View content as" announced if you use the arrow keys alone without the VO keys. For anything you do apart from this initial setup, using just the arrow keys by themselves will give you all the information. > > Once you have set up the folder to be displayed as a folder and viewed as a list, you can just navigate to the folder and either press space bar or VO-Space to display the list of contents. VoiceOver will announce the entries as you arrow up and down the list. Access subfolders with your right arrow key, then move through files in your subfolder with the up and down arrow keys. Return to the parent folder by using the left arrow key. You can also move to the bottom of the list with Command+Down arrow or to the top of the list with Command+Up arrow. (This seems to move to the top or bottom of the visible list, so if your list is really long, continue to arrow up or down and then press Command+Up or Down arrow again.) The very end of the menu options will be an "Options" menu (where you can reset the view options we described above) and an "Open in Finder" option. This is handy if you want to do an actual copy and paste, or a move of the file in Finder. > > In addition, there's a rather neat trick if you want to move some of your iTunes folders like for Podcasts to the dock, because you can quickly navigate through the menus and start a podcast playing in iTunes from there! > > Also, I've found that in the dock you can use Fn+Down Arrow to cycle between the Applications section, the Folders section, and the Trash. Fn+Up Arrow also works in the reverse direction. So this is a quick way to move to the documents section of the dock after you issue your VO-D or Control-F3 command to move to the dock. > > HTH. Cheers, > > Esther > > On Oct 14, 2011, at 08:52, Desi Noller wrote: > >> Hi Everybody, >> >> I'm still using SnowLeopard, and I have put some documents in my documents folder, but VO doesn't seem to be letting me get to them from the Dock. I can VO-right-Arrow to the documents folder, but when I press VO space to open the folder, VoiceOver says nothing. My sighted husband can see the documents in the folder, but they are not apparent to me at all! I just keep getting the prompt, "To open the folder, press VO plus space." I have also experienced the same issue with the Applications folder on the dock. Can anyone tell me what I'm doing wrong? Thanks in advance! >> >> Desi > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From marrie12 at gmail.com Fri Oct 14 23:09:53 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2011 15:09:53 -0700 Subject: itunes and albums In-Reply-To: <9EC4BB36-41F0-4C60-B051-E41CA22AAB73@gmail.com> References: <9EC4BB36-41F0-4C60-B051-E41CA22AAB73@gmail.com> Message-ID: <9B5B1C37-761B-4181-B1DE-B4D4274310B6@gmail.com> Did it finish downloading? If so look under the recent catagory under playlist. Good luck and Take care. On Oct 14, 2011, at 2:28 PM, william lomas wrote: > hi all i just purchased an album why hasn't it shown up under the artist in iTunes not he mac? > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From grtdane at internode.on.net Fri Oct 14 23:25:56 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2011 09:25:56 +1100 Subject: 1Password Update Available In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5C45843F-1878-4D5A-8468-D6AFD751BA5D@internode.on.net> Yep, and an official update has just been released according to Twitter, 1 Password version 3.8.9 for Mac. On 14/10/2011, at 2:04 AM, Gordon Smith wrote: > Hi all > > Just in case you haven't yet noticed, 1Password v3.8.9B2 was released yesterday. This isn't a major release but it might be significant if you run Chrome alongside Safari. 1Password now updates master password in all supported rousers after updating in primary browser. > > Gordon > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From weavermicha at googlemail.com Fri Oct 14 23:34:31 2011 From: weavermicha at googlemail.com (michael weaver) Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2011 23:34:31 +0100 Subject: thermometer app Message-ID: <4e98b76b.4a5ee30a.0f20.ffffd31e@mx.google.com> is there an accessible app that can act as a room themometer? From motten53 at gmail.com Sat Oct 15 00:01:48 2011 From: motten53 at gmail.com (Mary Otten) Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2011 16:01:48 -0700 Subject: iBooks in IOS5 In-Reply-To: <415FE1A7-6E57-4E84-BA88-0ED4BBE4DC8A@anarchie.org.uk> References: <415FE1A7-6E57-4E84-BA88-0ED4BBE4DC8A@anarchie.org.uk> Message-ID: <95AA428C-BC29-4BFA-97B8-E63DA267CDB3@gmail.com> I'm not seeing the repeat words problem either with my IPod touch. There was a very recent upgrade of IBooks. Maybe that solves the problem? Mary Mary Otten motten53 at gmail.com From grtdane at internode.on.net Sat Oct 15 00:49:27 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2011 10:49:27 +1100 Subject: thermometer app In-Reply-To: <4e98b76b.4a5ee30a.0f20.ffffd31e@mx.google.com> References: <4e98b76b.4a5ee30a.0f20.ffffd31e@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <4E98CA87.4010004@internode.on.net> As far as I know such a thing is absolutely impossible as the Iphone/Ipad/Ipod doesn't have a temperature sensor in it thus it can't use any form of app to measure temperature. I doubt whether even an app is available with some sort of temperature probe? I went looking for a similar sort of thing quite some time ago as I wanted to use the Iphone/Ipad to measure temperature outside my own house. Now if you're looking for weather apps then they're available by the dozen, my favorite by far is PKT Weather World edition. On 15/10/2011 9:34 AM, michael weaver wrote: > is there an accessible app that can act as a room themometer? > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access > forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, > virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by > visiting the list website at: > -- Dane Trethowan Sending email from his EEEPC Netbook From marrie12 at gmail.com Sat Oct 15 03:47:46 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2011 19:47:46 -0700 Subject: thermometer app In-Reply-To: <4E98CA87.4010004@internode.on.net> References: <4e98b76b.4a5ee30a.0f20.ffffd31e@mx.google.com> <4E98CA87.4010004@internode.on.net> Message-ID: <276E3322-C3DB-41E3-BA25-90A287D6E3E9@gmail.com> I think they are inventing such things, like stuff you stick in the usb part of the phone and run an app. Will they work I dunno but There was some discussion I think on this list about such a thing that's already out. Take care all. On Oct 14, 2011, at 4:49 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote: > As far as I know such a thing is absolutely impossible as the Iphone/Ipad/Ipod doesn't have a temperature sensor in it thus it can't use any form of app to measure temperature. I doubt whether even an app is available with some sort of temperature probe? I went looking for a similar sort of thing quite some time ago as I wanted to use the Iphone/Ipad to measure temperature outside my own house. > > Now if you're looking for weather apps then they're available by the dozen, my favorite by far is PKT Weather World edition. > > > > On 15/10/2011 9:34 AM, michael weaver wrote: >> is there an accessible app that can act as a room themometer? >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > -- > Dane Trethowan > Sending email from his EEEPC Netbook > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From marrie12 at gmail.com Sat Oct 15 03:58:56 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2011 19:58:56 -0700 Subject: Bugs & Fixes: Solving Mac OS X Mail Crashes Message-ID: <8AFDA082-DEF1-4CC9-824A-5C2D9C3388D5@gmail.com> I hope this helps someone. Bugs & Fixes: Solving Mac OS X Mail Crashes Are you stuck in a loop where Apple's Mail crashes whenever you launch it because of a "bad" message? Ted Landau has the cure. http://macw.us/n5iWw4 From will.d.lomas at gmail.com Sat Oct 15 06:09:42 2011 From: will.d.lomas at gmail.com (william lomas) Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2011 06:09:42 +0100 Subject: french Message-ID: <2D63D2EA-60C2-465F-AD41-E50C79C31177@gmail.com> hi all somehow the french ios voice downloaded i have the french language set in the rotor but haven't stayed on it only on us english very odd From geoff.waaler at gmail.com Sat Oct 15 07:32:32 2011 From: geoff.waaler at gmail.com (Geoff Waaler) Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2011 02:32:32 -0400 Subject: Siri crashed. Message-ID: My guess is that there was a server crash because two other friends located on the US East coast are confirming my symptom. Basically, all commands to Siri appear to time out. Siri issues a message indicating that it's having trouble accessing the network and prompts for another command which it deals with in similar fashion. I suspect the system is over loaded by millions who are playing with their new toys by asking the calorie count of a bagel, but it got me to thinking that the 3GS was better since it could call contacts tell the time or play music without benefit of an internet connection. Since IOS runs on the 3GS I decided to try disabling Siri to verify that I could restore the old functionality in the event of a Siri server crash, and indeed it worked. I wonder if this was a world wide issue? Probably not the ideal first impression for some. Best regards. Geoff From zkline at speedpost.net Sat Oct 15 08:20:02 2011 From: zkline at speedpost.net (Zachary Kline) Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2011 00:20:02 -0700 Subject: Siri crashed. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Geoff, I can't comment on whether it was world-wide or not, as I don't yet own a 4S though would love to in the near future. Some hiccups are probably to be expected in the early days, though I can understand why people might not be very happy with the crash. I imagine Apple's internal server maintenance people are working to ensure this sort of thing is a rare occurrence. Best, Zack. On Oct 14, 2011, at 11:32 PM, Geoff Waaler wrote: > My guess is that there was a server crash because two other friends located on the US East coast are confirming my symptom. Basically, all commands to Siri appear to time out. Siri issues a message indicating that it's having trouble accessing the network and prompts for another command which it deals with in similar fashion. > > I suspect the system is over loaded by millions who are playing with their new toys by asking the calorie count of a bagel, but it got me to thinking that the 3GS was better since it could call contacts tell the time or play music without benefit of an internet connection. Since IOS runs on the 3GS I decided to try disabling Siri to verify that I could restore the old functionality in the event of a Siri server crash, and indeed it worked. > > I wonder if this was a world wide issue? Probably not the ideal first impression for some. > > Best regards. > Geoff > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From james.austin at mac-access.net Sat Oct 15 08:29:00 2011 From: james.austin at mac-access.net (James AUSTIN) Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2011 08:29:00 +0100 Subject: iBooks in IOS5 In-Reply-To: <95AA428C-BC29-4BFA-97B8-E63DA267CDB3@gmail.com> References: <415FE1A7-6E57-4E84-BA88-0ED4BBE4DC8A@anarchie.org.uk> <95AA428C-BC29-4BFA-97B8-E63DA267CDB3@gmail.com> Message-ID: <59D47A23-3CBF-4C14-866F-A250605CA58E@mac-access.net> I'm not seeing this repeated words issue either. I don't know if it makes a difference, but in the iBook settings (Settings, iBooks), I have automatic hyphenation turned off.. TC : :) On 15 Oct 2011, at 00:01, Mary Otten wrote: > I'm not seeing the repeat words problem either with my IPod touch. There was a very recent upgrade of IBooks. Maybe that solves the problem? > > Mary > > Mary Otten > motten53 at gmail.com > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From will.d.lomas at gmail.com Sat Oct 15 08:39:12 2011 From: will.d.lomas at gmail.com (william lomas) Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2011 08:39:12 +0100 Subject: itunes and albums In-Reply-To: <9B5B1C37-761B-4181-B1DE-B4D4274310B6@gmail.com> References: <9EC4BB36-41F0-4C60-B051-E41CA22AAB73@gmail.com> <9B5B1C37-761B-4181-B1DE-B4D4274310B6@gmail.com> Message-ID: <3EF46AF5-6DED-4B32-B653-CF819FB5F5FE@gmail.com> yes they in purchased but why hasn't the album showed up now under its artist in my main library? On Oct 14, 2011, at 11:09 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote: > Did it finish downloading? If so look under the recent catagory under playlist. Good luck and Take care. > On Oct 14, 2011, at 2:28 PM, william lomas wrote: > >> hi all i just purchased an album why hasn't it shown up under the artist in iTunes not he mac? >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From will.d.lomas at gmail.com Sat Oct 15 08:41:17 2011 From: will.d.lomas at gmail.com (william lomas) Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2011 08:41:17 +0100 Subject: Siri crashed. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6692AF38-638D-4975-A7CE-202417C61700@gmail.com> well this is why it should all be not he phone they need a powerful phone to go on the internet and translate what we say? that's why siri could work easily on an iPhone 4 it doesn't need the processing power at all i could understand if it was all on the phone On Oct 15, 2011, at 8:20 AM, Zachary Kline wrote: > Hi Geoff, > I can't comment on whether it was world-wide or not, as I don't yet own a 4S though would love to in the near future. Some hiccups are probably to be expected in the early days, though I can understand why people might not be very happy with the crash. I imagine Apple's internal server maintenance people are working to ensure this sort of thing is a rare occurrence. > Best, > Zack. > On Oct 14, 2011, at 11:32 PM, Geoff Waaler wrote: > >> My guess is that there was a server crash because two other friends located on the US East coast are confirming my symptom. Basically, all commands to Siri appear to time out. Siri issues a message indicating that it's having trouble accessing the network and prompts for another command which it deals with in similar fashion. >> >> I suspect the system is over loaded by millions who are playing with their new toys by asking the calorie count of a bagel, but it got me to thinking that the 3GS was better since it could call contacts tell the time or play music without benefit of an internet connection. Since IOS runs on the 3GS I decided to try disabling Siri to verify that I could restore the old functionality in the event of a Siri server crash, and indeed it worked. >> >> I wonder if this was a world wide issue? Probably not the ideal first impression for some. >> >> Best regards. >> Geoff >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From jonathan.tyrer at gmail.com Sat Oct 15 09:52:24 2011 From: jonathan.tyrer at gmail.com (Jonathan Tyrer) Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2011 09:52:24 +0100 Subject: iBooks in IOS5 In-Reply-To: <59D47A23-3CBF-4C14-866F-A250605CA58E@mac-access.net> References: <415FE1A7-6E57-4E84-BA88-0ED4BBE4DC8A@anarchie.org.uk> <95AA428C-BC29-4BFA-97B8-E63DA267CDB3@gmail.com> <59D47A23-3CBF-4C14-866F-A250605CA58E@mac-access.net> Message-ID: Hi Anne, I'm feeling brave, so will upgrade my iPad later, I've got lots of books I've saved as epupbs, so I'll let you know what happens. Jonathan On 15/10/2011, James AUSTIN wrote: > I'm not seeing this repeated words issue either. I don't know if it makes a > difference, but in the iBook settings (Settings, iBooks), I have automatic > hyphenation turned off.. > > TC : :) > On 15 Oct 2011, at 00:01, Mary Otten wrote: > >> I'm not seeing the repeat words problem either with my IPod touch. There >> was a very recent upgrade of IBooks. Maybe that solves the problem? >> >> Mary >> >> Mary Otten >> motten53 at gmail.com >> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to >> mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum >> at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus >> and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting >> the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at > either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus > and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting > the list website at: > > From chris.hallsworth at techno-chat.net Sat Oct 15 10:16:13 2011 From: chris.hallsworth at techno-chat.net (chris hallsworth) Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2011 10:16:13 +0100 Subject: Papa Sanga Message-ID: <4E994F5D.3090005@techno-chat.net> Hello all. Can anyone confirm that this app really does not work with iOS 5? I was hoping to test it for a friend, only to find out that it is a paid app. I don't mind this, however I don't want to waste money if the app doesn't work. Just my thoughts. Thanks in advance. From grtdane at internode.on.net Sat Oct 15 10:16:00 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2011 20:16:00 +1100 Subject: Improvements in Airplay Streaming from Ipad in IOS5 Message-ID: <26184AB6-22AF-4400-874B-DF248A001E00@internode.on.net> Subject line says everything that needs to be said. Apple have done what I thought impossible, when streaming music from your Ipad using Airplay to say an Airport Express, the voice of the Ipad is no longer streamed with the music thus you can perform other tasks on your Ipad whilst listening to your audio streams through a remote device, absolutely brilliant. From grtdane at internode.on.net Sat Oct 15 10:20:59 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2011 20:20:59 +1100 Subject: =?windows-1252?Q?AppleTV_Software_4=2E4_Includes_VoiceOver_Enhan?= =?windows-1252?Q?cements--_The_Mac-cessibility_Network_=96_News_?= =?windows-1252?Q?=5BLioncourt=2Ecom=5D?= Message-ID: Haven't managed to revive my Apple TV yet but I'm looking forward to trying this when its up and running again http://www.lioncourt.com/2011/10/14/appletv-software-4-4-includes-voiceover-enhancements/ From hopewell at hopewell.org.uk Sat Oct 15 11:08:30 2011 From: hopewell at hopewell.org.uk (Paul Hopewell) Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2011 11:08:30 +0100 Subject: Why is iCloud not working for me? Message-ID: <2E06FBE8-250D-4D25-948D-759969ABBF8F@hopewell.org.uk> Hello, iCloud does not seem to be working for me and I do not understand why. On my iMac I have gone to iCloud in system preferences and created an iCloud account with the 5 GB of free storage. I have checked contacts and calendars for iCloud storage. I have also set up iCloud on my iPhone 3GS again checking contacts and calendar for iCloud storage. When I look at my iCloud account on my iMac and go to manage storage it says that I am not using any iCloud storage. If I press the help button on any of the iCloud preferences it says I am not connected to the Internet which is clearly incorrect. I have checked that I do not have any firewall which might be blocking iCloud. My iMac is directly connected to my router via a LAN cable rather than via wifi. I tried turning on wifi on my iMac which didn't make any difference. Any suggestions as to what I am doing wrong or on what my expectations should be? Many thanks. Paul Hopewell From will.d.lomas at gmail.com Sat Oct 15 11:40:46 2011 From: will.d.lomas at gmail.com (william lomas) Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2011 11:40:46 +0100 Subject: Why is iCloud not working for me? In-Reply-To: <2E06FBE8-250D-4D25-948D-759969ABBF8F@hopewell.org.uk> References: <2E06FBE8-250D-4D25-948D-759969ABBF8F@hopewell.org.uk> Message-ID: the servers r down for siri so i assume iCloud to On Oct 15, 2011, at 11:08 AM, Paul Hopewell wrote: > Hello, > iCloud does not seem to be working for me and I do not understand why. > > On my iMac I have gone to iCloud in system preferences and created an iCloud account with the 5 GB of free storage. I have checked contacts and calendars for iCloud storage. > > I have also set up iCloud on my iPhone 3GS again checking contacts and calendar for iCloud storage. > > When I look at my iCloud account on my iMac and go to manage storage it says that I am not using any iCloud storage. If I press the help button on any of the iCloud preferences it says I am not connected to the Internet which is clearly incorrect. I have checked that I do not have any firewall which might be blocking iCloud. > > My iMac is directly connected to my router via a LAN cable rather than via wifi. I tried turning on wifi on my iMac which didn't make any difference. > > Any suggestions as to what I am doing wrong or on what my expectations should be? > Many thanks. > > Paul Hopewell > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From lynne at mac-access.net Sat Oct 15 11:50:20 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2011 11:50:20 +0100 Subject: IOS5 kills Apple tv. In-Reply-To: <7021B0C0-D5D2-45C6-A9FE-64139E759E7E@mac-access.net> References: <7B7DCA1D-6A04-499A-9AA7-BCC6E88C89D3@mac-access.net> <7021B0C0-D5D2-45C6-A9FE-64139E759E7E@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <66790EB9-942F-482C-BE0C-B155116CC301@mac-access.net> Hello John I am way behind on email since we've spent most of the last couple of days at hospital. I have yet to perform the full update; but I hope they've fixed the bug that we reported earlier in the test cycle whereby it wasn't possible to use AppleTV with a manual TCP/IP configuration. In fact you couldn't enter a manual IP address at all; which kind of put an end to using it on our network. I'm assuming it was a bug since the option did exist. But not everybody uses automated network configurations. Lynne On 13 Oct 2011, at 17:55, John Panarese wrote: I had no problems with the update. I was told there was new software available and it took about ten minutes I guess. Then, I got the "what's new" information. God bless Apple. NHL Game Center Live has Finally come to Apple TV! Take Care John Panarese jpanarese at mac-access.net On Oct 13, 2011, at 6:07 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hello Geoff > > Ours has been using iOS5 (the Apple TV variant) for months now, without a hitch. > > But we updated it a different way so I'll try that now. > > Lynne > > On 13 Oct 2011, at 01:37, Geoff Waaler wrote: > > Greetings all, > > I have an Apple tv connected to my stereo via toslink. This afternoon I attempted to install the IOS5 update by going into settings -> general -> check for updates. The first time it appeared to hang on the update button, but when I selected it again, got a dialog asking whether I was sure I wanted to quit. So I let it go for a while and then heard Samantha from the other room. I came back in and found an okay button but could not ascertain what the message was (presumably the ubiquitous 3200 error). I again checked for updates and selected update. > > I let it go for hours but now my stereo only emits an unusual amount of static when Apple tv is active. Since it had been several hours I power cycled the apple tv but that had no affect -- I waited about two minutes but only heard the extra static. Also pressing buttons on the remote causes static. The device does appear to be on my network because its visible to Airfoil, and transmitting to Apple tv results in additional static. I double checked the cabling, though none of the hardware had been touched until I power cycled. I considered connecting via Ethernet, but decided that couldn't be a factor since the device is visible to the network. > > I checked Google but found nothing of interest. If noone here can offer a suggestion I suppose its time to call Apple? > > TIA for any/all ideas and best regards. > Geoff > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: or at the public Mail Archive: . Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From will.d.lomas at gmail.com Sat Oct 15 11:54:11 2011 From: will.d.lomas at gmail.com (william lomas) Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2011 11:54:11 +0100 Subject: what i have done Message-ID: hi all ok i have done this now to see if ig et samamtha as somehow i get the french hq voice on ios five 1. turned on wifi 2. made sure before doing this that premium voice was on 3. set langauge rotor to US english 4. then turned on wifi and the premium voice to off and plugged the phone in to the mains is this right? From krystalwatson at bluebottle.com Sat Oct 15 12:10:47 2011 From: krystalwatson at bluebottle.com (krystal watson) Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2011 22:10:47 +1100 Subject: strange text messages about face book being sent to my mums iphone and she has not got face book apps or a face book acount Message-ID: <5CAA2DC5-21EC-4B54-8B3A-AF18E0C61DAE@bluebottle.com> hi every one i need help with this one my mum just got a iphone last month and i linked it to my apple i d as i have to keep a eye on it and do all the maintonence on it for her as she not able to use a computer but any way she gets text messages about my face book acount on her i phone from telstra tribe . com does any one know why she is getting these messages and how to stop it she does not even have face book apps on her phone or a face book acount but i do is that where the prob is? i have face book on mine and i have box car and she gets the messages when i get a box car alert hope you can understand what i mean any help would be grate thanks from krystal watson From grtdane at internode.on.net Sat Oct 15 12:33:15 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2011 22:33:15 +1100 Subject: Ootunes Update Available Message-ID: This new update announced earlier on Twitter takes full advantage of Icloud for syncing amongst other things. http://ootunes.com/app/update4.0.2.htm From grtdane at internode.on.net Sat Oct 15 12:41:24 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2011 22:41:24 +1100 Subject: Papa Sanga In-Reply-To: <4E994F5D.3090005@techno-chat.net> References: <4E994F5D.3090005@techno-chat.net> Message-ID: <39207D44-DC46-480C-A7F9-6612FDD4E662@internode.on.net> I just tried it on my Ipad running IOS5 and it seems to work here though there hasn't been an update in the software for quite some time so you may wish to get in touch with the developer for further information on this. On 15/10/2011, at 8:16 PM, chris hallsworth wrote: > Hello all. > Can anyone confirm that this app really does not work with iOS 5? I was hoping to test it for a friend, only to find out that it is a paid app. I don't mind this, however I don't want to waste money if the app doesn't work. Just my thoughts. Thanks in advance. > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From will.d.lomas at gmail.com Sat Oct 15 13:41:17 2011 From: will.d.lomas at gmail.com (william lomas) Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2011 13:41:17 +0100 Subject: ootunes radio Message-ID: <60BB8D3C-4207-4092-BE87-88B2E98D1E5F@gmail.com> hi all say if i want to record a program with ootunes radio whilst i am at work can this be done? i assume though they have to take up a lot of room on an iPhone so i'd need a bigger model? From lewiscrack at googlemail.com Sat Oct 15 14:26:46 2011 From: lewiscrack at googlemail.com (Lewis Crack) Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2011 14:26:46 +0100 Subject: Papa Sanga In-Reply-To: <4E994F5D.3090005@techno-chat.net> References: <4E994F5D.3090005@techno-chat.net> Message-ID: Hey Chris. this is now confirmed, I tried it on my iPHone 3GS, and iPod Touch - all it does is make the most horrible distortion when the app is loaded. It's awful. This is on headphones. On speaker, it doesn't even work. So Chris, I wouldn't advise you buy it until there is an update. I will notify you when it is working again, as I bought it when I first had my iPod Touch. This goes for anyone else too. If you have bought it already, don't worry, especially if you bought it when iOS4 was still the main OS, but just be aware that you can't use it until they release an update. Cheers. Lewis. :) On 15 Oct 2011, at 10:16, chris hallsworth wrote: > Hello all. > Can anyone confirm that this app really does not work with iOS 5? I was hoping to test it for a friend, only to find out that it is a paid app. I don't mind this, however I don't want to waste money if the app doesn't work. Just my thoughts. Thanks in advance. > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From moopiecurran at gmail.com Sat Oct 15 14:43:03 2011 From: moopiecurran at gmail.com (Courtney Curran) Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2011 09:43:03 -0400 Subject: Ootunes Update Available In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8E6524BB-4B6E-4D63-9795-16D9DB51A727@gmail.com> Hi, Will this actually let me access my recordings from ootunes, finally? I think that because it syncs with Icloud? Thanks, Courtney On 15/10/2011, at 7:33 in the morning, Dane Trethowan wrote: > This new update announced earlier on Twitter takes full advantage of Icloud for syncing amongst other things. > > http://ootunes.com/app/update4.0.2.htm > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From grtdane at internode.on.net Sat Oct 15 14:52:49 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2011 00:52:49 +1100 Subject: Papa Sanga In-Reply-To: <39207D44-DC46-480C-A7F9-6612FDD4E662@internode.on.net> References: <4E994F5D.3090005@techno-chat.net> <39207D44-DC46-480C-A7F9-6612FDD4E662@internode.on.net> Message-ID: <4E999031.8060603@internode.on.net> Sorry about that, I thought you were referring to a different app altogether so I take back what I said in my original message as you probably have more knowledge about this app than I do . On 15/10/2011 10:41 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote: > I just tried it on my Ipad running IOS5 and it seems to work here though there hasn't been an update in the software for quite some time so you may wish to get in touch with the developer for further information on this. > > > On 15/10/2011, at 8:16 PM, chris hallsworth wrote: > >> Hello all. >> Can anyone confirm that this app really does not work with iOS 5? I was hoping to test it for a friend, only to find out that it is a paid app. I don't mind this, however I don't want to waste money if the app doesn't work. Just my thoughts. Thanks in advance. >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > -- Dane Trethowan Sending email from his EEEPC Netbook From n0oxy at charter.net Sat Oct 15 14:53:30 2011 From: n0oxy at charter.net (Mike Arrigo) Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2011 08:53:30 -0500 Subject: Siri crashed. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <50D8ADAE-5884-4240-9B7A-D4E0120922EB@charter.net> Yes, siri, and in fact any dictation speech recognition on the iphone 4s is server based, if there is a problem with the network connection or apple's servers, it will not work. How do you enable or disable siri, I'm assuming you can do this in settings? On Oct 15, 2011, at 1:32 AM, Geoff Waaler wrote: > My guess is that there was a server crash because two other friends located on the US East coast are confirming my symptom. Basically, all commands to Siri appear to time out. Siri issues a message indicating that it's having trouble accessing the network and prompts for another command which it deals with in similar fashion. > > I suspect the system is over loaded by millions who are playing with their new toys by asking the calorie count of a bagel, but it got me to thinking that the 3GS was better since it could call contacts tell the time or play music without benefit of an internet connection. Since IOS runs on the 3GS I decided to try disabling Siri to verify that I could restore the old functionality in the event of a Siri server crash, and indeed it worked. > > I wonder if this was a world wide issue? Probably not the ideal first impression for some. > > Best regards. > Geoff > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From lewiscrack at googlemail.com Sat Oct 15 14:56:49 2011 From: lewiscrack at googlemail.com (Lewis Crack) Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2011 14:56:49 +0100 Subject: Papa Sanga In-Reply-To: <4E999031.8060603@internode.on.net> References: <4E994F5D.3090005@techno-chat.net> <39207D44-DC46-480C-A7F9-6612FDD4E662@internode.on.net> <4E999031.8060603@internode.on.net> Message-ID: <90B61471-B69B-4CFB-A958-E54482746DE4@googlemail.com> Hey Dane. Well, there are so many apps out there, and some even have the same name by other companies. It is an awesome app though, and I can't wait for SomethingElse to release an update. SomethingElse are the company who made PapaSangre and The Nightjar. Lewis :) On 15 Oct 2011, at 14:52, Dane Trethowan wrote: > Sorry about that, I thought you were referring to a different app altogether so I take back what I said in my original message as you probably have more knowledge about this app than I do . > > > > On 15/10/2011 10:41 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote: >> I just tried it on my Ipad running IOS5 and it seems to work here though there hasn't been an update in the software for quite some time so you may wish to get in touch with the developer for further information on this. >> >> >> On 15/10/2011, at 8:16 PM, chris hallsworth wrote: >> >>> Hello all. >>> Can anyone confirm that this app really does not work with iOS 5? I was hoping to test it for a friend, only to find out that it is a paid app. I don't mind this, however I don't want to waste money if the app doesn't work. Just my thoughts. Thanks in advance. >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>> >>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>> . >>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > -- > Dane Trethowan > Sending email from his EEEPC Netbook > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From grtdane at internode.on.net Sat Oct 15 14:58:29 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2011 00:58:29 +1100 Subject: Papa Sanga In-Reply-To: <90B61471-B69B-4CFB-A958-E54482746DE4@googlemail.com> References: <4E994F5D.3090005@techno-chat.net> <39207D44-DC46-480C-A7F9-6612FDD4E662@internode.on.net> <4E999031.8060603@internode.on.net> <90B61471-B69B-4CFB-A958-E54482746DE4@googlemail.com> Message-ID: <4E999185.9070506@internode.on.net> What does it do? On 16/10/2011 12:56 AM, Lewis Crack wrote: > Hey Dane. > > Well, there are so many apps out there, and some even have the same name by other companies. It is an awesome app though, and I can't wait for SomethingElse to release an update. SomethingElse are the company who made PapaSangre and The Nightjar. > Lewis :) > On 15 Oct 2011, at 14:52, Dane Trethowan wrote: > >> Sorry about that, I thought you were referring to a different app altogether so I take back what I said in my original message as you probably have more knowledge about this app than I do. >> >> >> >> On 15/10/2011 10:41 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote: >>> I just tried it on my Ipad running IOS5 and it seems to work here though there hasn't been an update in the software for quite some time so you may wish to get in touch with the developer for further information on this. >>> >>> >>> On 15/10/2011, at 8:16 PM, chris hallsworth wrote: >>> >>>> Hello all. >>>> Can anyone confirm that this app really does not work with iOS 5? I was hoping to test it for a friend, only to find out that it is a paid app. I don't mind this, however I don't want to waste money if the app doesn't work. Just my thoughts. Thanks in advance. >>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>>> >>>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>>> . >>>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>>> >>>> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>> >>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>> >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>> >>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>> . >>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> -- >> Dane Trethowan >> Sending email from his EEEPC Netbook >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > -- Dane Trethowan Sending email from his EEEPC Netbook From geoff.waaler at gmail.com Sat Oct 15 15:12:48 2011 From: geoff.waaler at gmail.com (Geoff Waaler) Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2011 10:12:48 -0400 Subject: Siri crashed. References: <50D8ADAE-5884-4240-9B7A-D4E0120922EB@charter.net> Message-ID: <2017B34DCA56496C8C31DF151F321005@YOURZ8KUJVJGKY> Hi Mike, Its in settings -> general -> sir. Server appears to be back up and running. Best regards. Geoff ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike Arrigo To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2011 9:53 AM Subject: Re: Siri crashed. Yes, siri, and in fact any dictation speech recognition on the iphone 4s is server based, if there is a problem with the network connection or apple's servers, it will not work. How do you enable or disable siri, I'm assuming you can do this in settings? On Oct 15, 2011, at 1:32 AM, Geoff Waaler wrote: > My guess is that there was a server crash because two other friends located on the US East coast are confirming my symptom. Basically, all commands to Siri appear to time out. Siri issues a message indicating that it's having trouble accessing the network and prompts for another command which it deals with in similar fashion. > > I suspect the system is over loaded by millions who are playing with their new toys by asking the calorie count of a bagel, but it got me to thinking that the 3GS was better since it could call contacts tell the time or play music without benefit of an internet connection. Since IOS runs on the 3GS I decided to try disabling Siri to verify that I could restore the old functionality in the event of a Siri server crash, and indeed it worked. > > I wonder if this was a world wide issue? Probably not the ideal first impression for some. > > Best regards. > Geoff > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: or at the public Mail Archive: . Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From lewiscrack at googlemail.com Sat Oct 15 15:13:34 2011 From: lewiscrack at googlemail.com (Lewis Crack) Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2011 15:13:34 +0100 Subject: Papa Sanga In-Reply-To: <4E999185.9070506@internode.on.net> References: <4E994F5D.3090005@techno-chat.net> <39207D44-DC46-480C-A7F9-6612FDD4E662@internode.on.net> <4E999031.8060603@internode.on.net> <90B61471-B69B-4CFB-A958-E54482746DE4@googlemail.com> <4E999185.9070506@internode.on.net> Message-ID: <9648B0A3-7F2F-458F-8661-9BA74C839DA8@googlemail.com> It is an audio game and you have to walk around and avoid the "Hoggs" (monsters) and save this soul from this palace like thing. I'm fairly good at it. Lewis. On 15 Oct 2011, at 14:58, Dane Trethowan wrote: > What does it do? > > > > On 16/10/2011 12:56 AM, Lewis Crack wrote: >> Hey Dane. >> >> Well, there are so many apps out there, and some even have the same name by other companies. It is an awesome app though, and I can't wait for SomethingElse to release an update. SomethingElse are the company who made PapaSangre and The Nightjar. >> Lewis :) >> On 15 Oct 2011, at 14:52, Dane Trethowan wrote: >> >>> Sorry about that, I thought you were referring to a different app altogether so I take back what I said in my original message as you probably have more knowledge about this app than I do. >>> >>> >>> >>> On 15/10/2011 10:41 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote: >>>> I just tried it on my Ipad running IOS5 and it seems to work here though there hasn't been an update in the software for quite some time so you may wish to get in touch with the developer for further information on this. >>>> >>>> >>>> On 15/10/2011, at 8:16 PM, chris hallsworth wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hello all. >>>>> Can anyone confirm that this app really does not work with iOS 5? I was hoping to test it for a friend, only to find out that it is a paid app. I don't mind this, however I don't want to waste money if the app doesn't work. Just my thoughts. Thanks in advance. >>>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>>> >>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>> >>>>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>>>> >>>>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>>>> . >>>>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>>> >>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>>> >>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>>> >>>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>>> . >>>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>>> >>>> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>> >>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>> >>> -- >>> Dane Trethowan >>> Sending email from his EEEPC Netbook >>> >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>> >>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>> . >>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > -- > Dane Trethowan > Sending email from his EEEPC Netbook > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From geoff.waaler at gmail.com Sat Oct 15 15:13:57 2011 From: geoff.waaler at gmail.com (Geoff Waaler) Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2011 10:13:57 -0400 Subject: Papa Sanga References: <4E994F5D.3090005@techno-chat.net> Message-ID: <3FABD47E38894D76A9D5E528069AE90C@YOURZ8KUJVJGKY> I can confirm this on a 4s, so a faster processor won't help this one. Best regards. Geoff ----- Original Message ----- From: Lewis Crack To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2011 9:26 AM Subject: Re: Papa Sanga Hey Chris. this is now confirmed, I tried it on my iPHone 3GS, and iPod Touch - all it does is make the most horrible distortion when the app is loaded. It's awful. This is on headphones. On speaker, it doesn't even work. So Chris, I wouldn't advise you buy it until there is an update. I will notify you when it is working again, as I bought it when I first had my iPod Touch. This goes for anyone else too. If you have bought it already, don't worry, especially if you bought it when iOS4 was still the main OS, but just be aware that you can't use it until they release an update. Cheers. Lewis. :) On 15 Oct 2011, at 10:16, chris hallsworth wrote: > Hello all. > Can anyone confirm that this app really does not work with iOS 5? I was hoping to test it for a friend, only to find out that it is a paid app. I don't mind this, however I don't want to waste money if the app doesn't work. Just my thoughts. Thanks in advance. > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: or at the public Mail Archive: . Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From grtdane at internode.on.net Sat Oct 15 15:22:42 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2011 01:22:42 +1100 Subject: Papa Sanga In-Reply-To: <9648B0A3-7F2F-458F-8661-9BA74C839DA8@googlemail.com> References: <4E994F5D.3090005@techno-chat.net> <39207D44-DC46-480C-A7F9-6612FDD4E662@internode.on.net> <4E999031.8060603@internode.on.net> <90B61471-B69B-4CFB-A958-E54482746DE4@googlemail.com> <4E999185.9070506@internode.on.net> <9648B0A3-7F2F-458F-8661-9BA74C839DA8@googlemail.com> Message-ID: <4E999732.5060705@internode.on.net> Okay thanks for that, certainly confirms that I was thinking of the wrong app . On 16/10/2011 1:13 AM, Lewis Crack wrote: > It is an audio game and you have to walk around and avoid the "Hoggs" (monsters) and save this soul from this palace like thing. I'm fairly good at it. > Lewis. > On 15 Oct 2011, at 14:58, Dane Trethowan wrote: > >> What does it do? >> >> >> >> On 16/10/2011 12:56 AM, Lewis Crack wrote: >>> Hey Dane. >>> >>> Well, there are so many apps out there, and some even have the same name by other companies. It is an awesome app though, and I can't wait for SomethingElse to release an update. SomethingElse are the company who made PapaSangre and The Nightjar. >>> Lewis :) >>> On 15 Oct 2011, at 14:52, Dane Trethowan wrote: >>> >>>> Sorry about that, I thought you were referring to a different app altogether so I take back what I said in my original message as you probably have more knowledge about this app than I do. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 15/10/2011 10:41 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote: >>>>> I just tried it on my Ipad running IOS5 and it seems to work here though there hasn't been an update in the software for quite some time so you may wish to get in touch with the developer for further information on this. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 15/10/2011, at 8:16 PM, chris hallsworth wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hello all. >>>>>> Can anyone confirm that this app really does not work with iOS 5? I was hoping to test it for a friend, only to find out that it is a paid app. I don't mind this, however I don't want to waste money if the app doesn't work. Just my thoughts. Thanks in advance. >>>>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>>>> >>>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>>> >>>>>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>>>>> >>>>>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>>>>> . >>>>>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>>>> >>>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>>>> >>>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>>> >>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>> >>>>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>>>> >>>>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>>>> . >>>>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>>> >>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>>> >>>> -- >>>> Dane Trethowan >>>> Sending email from his EEEPC Netbook >>>> >>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>>> >>>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>>> . >>>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>>> >>>> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>> >>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>> >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>> >>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>> . >>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> -- >> Dane Trethowan >> Sending email from his EEEPC Netbook >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > -- Dane Trethowan Sending email from his EEEPC Netbook From djden at thejazzden.org.uk Sat Oct 15 15:34:00 2011 From: djden at thejazzden.org.uk (Thejazzden) Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2011 15:34:00 +0100 Subject: Comments on Siri please Message-ID: Has anyone put Siri through its paces? Difficult to try in noisy stores but I would like to know how it performs in the real world. Have seen the video demos but they ate obviously done under controlled conditions. R Dennis Freedman The best aromatherapy in the UK - www.e-nat.co.uk Sent from my iPhone From will.d.lomas at gmail.com Sat Oct 15 15:51:58 2011 From: will.d.lomas at gmail.com (william lomas) Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2011 15:51:58 +0100 Subject: Siri crashed. In-Reply-To: <2017B34DCA56496C8C31DF151F321005@YOURZ8KUJVJGKY> References: <50D8ADAE-5884-4240-9B7A-D4E0120922EB@charter.net> <2017B34DCA56496C8C31DF151F321005@YOURZ8KUJVJGKY> Message-ID: <5DC401F3-1533-44B5-82C9-D1E26358D4AD@gmail.com> do apple have to teach it to recognize everything? yet again we restricted to what they want us to do i don't like this philosophy anymore we can't west, can't Facebook, can't check train times, can't check tv schedules, for an ap that can only do weather, messages and emails even those it can't read too much hype On Oct 15, 2011, at 3:12 PM, Geoff Waaler wrote: > Hi Mike, > > Its in settings -> general -> sir. Server appears to be back up and running. > > Best regards. > Geoff > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Mike Arrigo > To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility > Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2011 9:53 AM > Subject: Re: Siri crashed. > > > Yes, siri, and in fact any dictation speech recognition on the iphone 4s is server based, if there is a problem with the network connection or apple's servers, it will not work. How do you enable or disable siri, I'm assuming you can do this in settings? > On Oct 15, 2011, at 1:32 AM, Geoff Waaler wrote: > >> My guess is that there was a server crash because two other friends located on the US East coast are confirming my symptom. Basically, all commands to Siri appear to time out. Siri issues a message indicating that it's having trouble accessing the network and prompts for another command which it deals with in similar fashion. >> >> I suspect the system is over loaded by millions who are playing with their new toys by asking the calorie count of a bagel, but it got me to thinking that the 3GS was better since it could call contacts tell the time or play music without benefit of an internet connection. Since IOS runs on the 3GS I decided to try disabling Siri to verify that I could restore the old functionality in the event of a Siri server crash, and indeed it worked. >> >> I wonder if this was a world wide issue? Probably not the ideal first impression for some. >> >> Best regards. >> Geoff >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From juanitatighan at gmail.com Sat Oct 15 16:12:59 2011 From: juanitatighan at gmail.com (Jane) Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2011 11:12:59 -0400 Subject: Papa Sanga In-Reply-To: <4E994F5D.3090005@techno-chat.net> References: <4E994F5D.3090005@techno-chat.net> Message-ID: I saw a tweet from their twitter feed stating they are working with Apple on this. No, it doesn't work at the moment, something to do with audio, but they are working to fix that. Jane On Oct 15, 2011, at 5:16 AM, chris hallsworth wrote: > Hello all. > Can anyone confirm that this app really does not work with iOS 5? I was hoping to test it for a friend, only to find out that it is a paid app. I don't mind this, however I don't want to waste money if the app doesn't work. Just my thoughts. Thanks in advance. > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From marrie12 at gmail.com Sat Oct 15 16:21:30 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2011 08:21:30 -0700 Subject: Papa Sanga In-Reply-To: References: <4E994F5D.3090005@techno-chat.net> Message-ID: Actually I hear it's not int he app store anymore. Maybe that's why. Maybe theya re going ot modify the audio so it actually sounds better lol! And I was going ot do a live podcast on it but I'll wait. On Oct 15, 2011, at 6:26 AM, Lewis Crack wrote: > Hey Chris. > > this is now confirmed, I tried it on my iPHone 3GS, and iPod Touch - all it does is make the most horrible distortion when the app is loaded. It's awful. This is on headphones. On speaker, it doesn't even work. > So Chris, I wouldn't advise you buy it until there is an update. I will notify you when it is working again, as I bought it when I first had my iPod Touch. > This goes for anyone else too. > If you have bought it already, don't worry, especially if you bought it when iOS4 was still the main OS, but just be aware that you can't use it until they release an update. > Cheers. > Lewis. :) > > On 15 Oct 2011, at 10:16, chris hallsworth wrote: > >> Hello all. >> Can anyone confirm that this app really does not work with iOS 5? I was hoping to test it for a friend, only to find out that it is a paid app. I don't mind this, however I don't want to waste money if the app doesn't work. Just my thoughts. Thanks in advance. >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From marrie12 at gmail.com Sat Oct 15 16:23:20 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2011 08:23:20 -0700 Subject: Siri crashed. In-Reply-To: <5DC401F3-1533-44B5-82C9-D1E26358D4AD@gmail.com> References: <50D8ADAE-5884-4240-9B7A-D4E0120922EB@charter.net> <2017B34DCA56496C8C31DF151F321005@YOURZ8KUJVJGKY> <5DC401F3-1533-44B5-82C9-D1E26358D4AD@gmail.com> Message-ID: <90D4074C-9DA8-43CF-BA62-2B4D6595F11E@gmail.com> Actually I spoke to someone who has connections and Ican confirm this is a known bug and apple are working on it. Tha'ts about all I can say on that though. Sorry. Take care. On Oct 15, 2011, at 7:51 AM, william lomas wrote: > do apple have to teach it to recognize everything? > yet again we restricted to what they want us to do i don't like this philosophy anymore we can't west, can't Facebook, can't check train times, can't check tv schedules, for an ap that can only do weather, messages and emails even those it can't read too much hype > > On Oct 15, 2011, at 3:12 PM, Geoff Waaler wrote: > >> Hi Mike, >> >> Its in settings -> general -> sir. Server appears to be back up and running. >> >> Best regards. >> Geoff >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Mike Arrigo >> To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility >> Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2011 9:53 AM >> Subject: Re: Siri crashed. >> >> >> Yes, siri, and in fact any dictation speech recognition on the iphone 4s is server based, if there is a problem with the network connection or apple's servers, it will not work. How do you enable or disable siri, I'm assuming you can do this in settings? >> On Oct 15, 2011, at 1:32 AM, Geoff Waaler wrote: >> >>> My guess is that there was a server crash because two other friends located on the US East coast are confirming my symptom. Basically, all commands to Siri appear to time out. Siri issues a message indicating that it's having trouble accessing the network and prompts for another command which it deals with in similar fashion. >>> >>> I suspect the system is over loaded by millions who are playing with their new toys by asking the calorie count of a bagel, but it got me to thinking that the 3GS was better since it could call contacts tell the time or play music without benefit of an internet connection. Since IOS runs on the 3GS I decided to try disabling Siri to verify that I could restore the old functionality in the event of a Siri server crash, and indeed it worked. >>> >>> I wonder if this was a world wide issue? Probably not the ideal first impression for some. >>> >>> Best regards. >>> Geoff >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>> >>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>> . >>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From will.d.lomas at gmail.com Sat Oct 15 16:41:49 2011 From: will.d.lomas at gmail.com (william lomas) Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2011 16:41:49 +0100 Subject: siri in uk Message-ID: <85FCF3B6-0E12-4C29-8C11-FEE0EABD6881@gmail.com> hi siri has no UK directory partnership for businesses so yet again we let down waste of hype and money feel sorry for those who may have siri in their hands now From will.d.lomas at gmail.com Sat Oct 15 16:43:13 2011 From: will.d.lomas at gmail.com (william lomas) Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2011 16:43:13 +0100 Subject: Siri crashed. In-Reply-To: <90D4074C-9DA8-43CF-BA62-2B4D6595F11E@gmail.com> References: <50D8ADAE-5884-4240-9B7A-D4E0120922EB@charter.net> <2017B34DCA56496C8C31DF151F321005@YOURZ8KUJVJGKY> <5DC401F3-1533-44B5-82C9-D1E26358D4AD@gmail.com> <90D4074C-9DA8-43CF-BA62-2B4D6595F11E@gmail.com> Message-ID: <0BAF580D-8D3C-4BE3-BA5D-26235255E59C@gmail.com> what about UK businesses? why release a product overseas if half of sirs functions don't work outside US? who thought up that idea? On Oct 15, 2011, at 4:23 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote: > Actually I spoke to someone who has connections and Ican confirm this is a known bug and apple are working on it. Tha'ts about all I can say on that though. Sorry. > > Take care. > On Oct 15, 2011, at 7:51 AM, william lomas wrote: > >> do apple have to teach it to recognize everything? >> yet again we restricted to what they want us to do i don't like this philosophy anymore we can't west, can't Facebook, can't check train times, can't check tv schedules, for an ap that can only do weather, messages and emails even those it can't read too much hype >> >> On Oct 15, 2011, at 3:12 PM, Geoff Waaler wrote: >> >>> Hi Mike, >>> >>> Its in settings -> general -> sir. Server appears to be back up and running. >>> >>> Best regards. >>> Geoff >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Mike Arrigo >>> To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility >>> Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2011 9:53 AM >>> Subject: Re: Siri crashed. >>> >>> >>> Yes, siri, and in fact any dictation speech recognition on the iphone 4s is server based, if there is a problem with the network connection or apple's servers, it will not work. How do you enable or disable siri, I'm assuming you can do this in settings? >>> On Oct 15, 2011, at 1:32 AM, Geoff Waaler wrote: >>> >>>> My guess is that there was a server crash because two other friends located on the US East coast are confirming my symptom. Basically, all commands to Siri appear to time out. Siri issues a message indicating that it's having trouble accessing the network and prompts for another command which it deals with in similar fashion. >>>> >>>> I suspect the system is over loaded by millions who are playing with their new toys by asking the calorie count of a bagel, but it got me to thinking that the 3GS was better since it could call contacts tell the time or play music without benefit of an internet connection. Since IOS runs on the 3GS I decided to try disabling Siri to verify that I could restore the old functionality in the event of a Siri server crash, and indeed it worked. >>>> >>>> I wonder if this was a world wide issue? Probably not the ideal first impression for some. >>>> >>>> Best regards. >>>> Geoff >>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>>> >>>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>>> . >>>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>>> >>>> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>> >>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>> >>> >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>> >>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>> . >>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>> >>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>> . >>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From jpanarese at mac-access.net Sat Oct 15 17:04:01 2011 From: jpanarese at mac-access.net (John Panarese) Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2011 12:04:01 -0400 Subject: IOS5 kills Apple tv. In-Reply-To: <66790EB9-942F-482C-BE0C-B155116CC301@mac-access.net> References: <7B7DCA1D-6A04-499A-9AA7-BCC6E88C89D3@mac-access.net> <7021B0C0-D5D2-45C6-A9FE-64139E759E7E@mac-access.net> <66790EB9-942F-482C-BE0C-B155116CC301@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <930625E7-AB7A-4A9F-942F-34323073F4D0@mac-access.net> I don't know if it fixes that. My unit connects automatically to my network. It's something I guess you'll have to try. Take Care John Panarese jpanarese at mac-access.net On Oct 15, 2011, at 6:50 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hello John > > I am way behind on email since we've spent most of the last couple of days at hospital. > > I have yet to perform the full update; but I hope they've fixed the bug that we reported earlier in the test cycle whereby it wasn't possible to use AppleTV with a manual TCP/IP configuration. In fact you couldn't enter a manual IP address at all; which kind of put an end to using it on our network. > > I'm assuming it was a bug since the option did exist. But not everybody uses automated network configurations. > > Lynne > > On 13 Oct 2011, at 17:55, John Panarese wrote: > > I had no problems with the update. I was told there was new software available and it took about ten minutes I guess. Then, I got the "what's new" information. God bless Apple. NHL Game Center Live has Finally come to Apple TV! > > Take Care > John Panarese > jpanarese at mac-access.net > > > > On Oct 13, 2011, at 6:07 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > >> Hello Geoff >> >> Ours has been using iOS5 (the Apple TV variant) for months now, without a hitch. >> >> But we updated it a different way so I'll try that now. >> >> Lynne >> >> On 13 Oct 2011, at 01:37, Geoff Waaler wrote: >> >> Greetings all, >> >> I have an Apple tv connected to my stereo via toslink. This afternoon I attempted to install the IOS5 update by going into settings -> general -> check for updates. The first time it appeared to hang on the update button, but when I selected it again, got a dialog asking whether I was sure I wanted to quit. So I let it go for a while and then heard Samantha from the other room. I came back in and found an okay button but could not ascertain what the message was (presumably the ubiquitous 3200 error). I again checked for updates and selected update. >> >> I let it go for hours but now my stereo only emits an unusual amount of static when Apple tv is active. Since it had been several hours I power cycled the apple tv but that had no affect -- I waited about two minutes but only heard the extra static. Also pressing buttons on the remote causes static. The device does appear to be on my network because its visible to Airfoil, and transmitting to Apple tv results in additional static. I double checked the cabling, though none of the hardware had been touched until I power cycled. I considered connecting via Ethernet, but decided that couldn't be a factor since the device is visible to the network. >> >> I checked Google but found nothing of interest. If noone here can offer a suggestion I suppose its time to call Apple? >> >> TIA for any/all ideas and best regards. >> Geoff >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From chris.hallsworth at techno-chat.net Sat Oct 15 17:20:40 2011 From: chris.hallsworth at techno-chat.net (chris hallsworth) Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2011 17:20:40 +0100 Subject: siri in uk In-Reply-To: <85FCF3B6-0E12-4C29-8C11-FEE0EABD6881@gmail.com> References: <85FCF3B6-0E12-4C29-8C11-FEE0EABD6881@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4E99B2D8.1090706@techno-chat.net> You guys might as well be stuck with an iPhone 3GS or an iPhone 4. For those who have well stay right where you are. For those on the 4s yes it's a shame as it sounds like a scandal once again. We were all looking forward to this Siri only to be let down here in the UK at least. Don't know about other countries. On 15/10/2011 16:41, william lomas wrote: > hi siri has no UK directory partnership for businesses so yet again we let down > waste of hype and money > feel sorry for those who may have siri in their hands now > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > > From chris.hallsworth at techno-chat.net Sat Oct 15 17:22:49 2011 From: chris.hallsworth at techno-chat.net (chris hallsworth) Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2011 17:22:49 +0100 Subject: Papa Sanga In-Reply-To: References: <4E994F5D.3090005@techno-chat.net> Message-ID: <4E99B359.4070803@techno-chat.net> Thanks Lewis. I will await the news and buy it accordingly. On 15/10/2011 14:26, Lewis Crack wrote: > Hey Chris. > > this is now confirmed, I tried it on my iPHone 3GS, and iPod Touch - all it does is make the most horrible distortion when the app is loaded. It's awful. This is on headphones. On speaker, it doesn't even work. > So Chris, I wouldn't advise you buy it until there is an update. I will notify you when it is working again, as I bought it when I first had my iPod Touch. > This goes for anyone else too. > If you have bought it already, don't worry, especially if you bought it when iOS4 was still the main OS, but just be aware that you can't use it until they release an update. > Cheers. > Lewis. :) > > On 15 Oct 2011, at 10:16, chris hallsworth wrote: > >> Hello all. >> Can anyone confirm that this app really does not work with iOS 5? I was hoping to test it for a friend, only to find out that it is a paid app. I don't mind this, however I don't want to waste money if the app doesn't work. Just my thoughts. Thanks in advance. >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > > From motten53 at gmail.com Sat Oct 15 17:25:47 2011 From: motten53 at gmail.com (Mary Otten) Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2011 09:25:47 -0700 Subject: iBooks in IOS5 In-Reply-To: <59D47A23-3CBF-4C14-866F-A250605CA58E@mac-access.net> References: <415FE1A7-6E57-4E84-BA88-0ED4BBE4DC8A@anarchie.org.uk> <95AA428C-BC29-4BFA-97B8-E63DA267CDB3@gmail.com> <59D47A23-3CBF-4C14-866F-A250605CA58E@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <46B5145A-A647-474C-8C1F-5CDB510B54BC@gmail.com> James, I also have hyphenation turned off. But I noted Anne said her issue wasn't with a commercial IBook. The only things I have in IBooks are those I've gotten from the IBook store. mary Mary Otten motten53 at gmail.com From will.d.lomas at gmail.com Sat Oct 15 17:25:59 2011 From: will.d.lomas at gmail.com (william lomas) Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2011 17:25:59 +0100 Subject: siri in uk In-Reply-To: <4E99B2D8.1090706@techno-chat.net> References: <85FCF3B6-0E12-4C29-8C11-FEE0EABD6881@gmail.com> <4E99B2D8.1090706@techno-chat.net> Message-ID: remember it beta though to be fair but why launch it worldwide if half info not even valuable in beta test form to use On Oct 15, 2011, at 5:20 PM, chris hallsworth wrote: > You guys might as well be stuck with an iPhone 3GS or an iPhone 4. For those who have well stay right where you are. For those on the 4s yes it's a shame as it sounds like a scandal once again. We were all looking forward to this Siri only to be let down here in the UK at least. Don't know about other countries. > > On 15/10/2011 16:41, william lomas wrote: >> hi siri has no UK directory partnership for businesses so yet again we let down >> waste of hype and money >> feel sorry for those who may have siri in their hands now >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> >> > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From will.d.lomas at gmail.com Sat Oct 15 17:26:32 2011 From: will.d.lomas at gmail.com (william lomas) Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2011 17:26:32 +0100 Subject: siri in uk In-Reply-To: <4E99B2D8.1090706@techno-chat.net> References: <85FCF3B6-0E12-4C29-8C11-FEE0EABD6881@gmail.com> <4E99B2D8.1090706@techno-chat.net> Message-ID: <2ACCEE1A-C0E3-407A-88F3-3182F92D999D@gmail.com> well i in UK obviously and have a four if it aint brook as the saying goes don't fix it. just wish typing a bit more responsive now on the 4 On Oct 15, 2011, at 5:20 PM, chris hallsworth wrote: > You guys might as well be stuck with an iPhone 3GS or an iPhone 4. For those who have well stay right where you are. For those on the 4s yes it's a shame as it sounds like a scandal once again. We were all looking forward to this Siri only to be let down here in the UK at least. Don't know about other countries. > > On 15/10/2011 16:41, william lomas wrote: >> hi siri has no UK directory partnership for businesses so yet again we let down >> waste of hype and money >> feel sorry for those who may have siri in their hands now >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> >> > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From james.austin at mac-access.net Sat Oct 15 17:36:41 2011 From: james.austin at mac-access.net (James AUSTIN) Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2011 17:36:41 +0100 Subject: iBooks in IOS5 In-Reply-To: <46B5145A-A647-474C-8C1F-5CDB510B54BC@gmail.com> References: <415FE1A7-6E57-4E84-BA88-0ED4BBE4DC8A@anarchie.org.uk> <95AA428C-BC29-4BFA-97B8-E63DA267CDB3@gmail.com> <59D47A23-3CBF-4C14-866F-A250605CA58E@mac-access.net> <46B5145A-A647-474C-8C1F-5CDB510B54BC@gmail.com> Message-ID: mary, I remember that Anne said that too. The only thing i can think of is that there must be some isue between self-created epub books and iBooks. Hopefully there'll be a fix soon. james On 15 Oct 2011, at 17:25, Mary Otten wrote: > > James, I also have hyphenation turned off. But I noted Anne said her issue wasn't with a commercial IBook. The only things I have in IBooks are those I've gotten from the IBook store. > > mary > > Mary Otten > motten53 at gmail.com > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: >