From marrie12 at gmail.com Fri Apr 1 02:33:00 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 18:33:00 -0700 Subject: Rogue Android app texts humiliating messages Message-ID: Oops? Android users face a new threat, a rogue app that tells all their friends they pirated the program, according to a Symantec security manager. http://bit.ly/dHlFIf From grtdane at internode.on.net Sun Apr 3 21:55:35 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2011 06:55:35 +1000 Subject: The Zoom H1 Handy recorder, transcription software and associated hardware Message-ID: Hi! An interesting article appeared in last weeks Age Green Guide, I'm from Melbourne Australia and the age is one of our local newspapers, the Green Guide is entertainment section for want of a better description, its packed with everything from technology news and reviews to TV listings, ads for computer and hi-fi shops etc. Anyway there's a regular column in the Green Guide called "bleeding Edge", which focuses on a different computer related topic each week and this week the column dealt with the subject of dictation and transcription. The article went away from Dragon Naturally Speaking - or Dragon Naturally Squeaking as I prefer to call it - as the ultimate dictation/transcription solution and explanations are given. So now to the Zoom H1 recorder and why did the author of the article choose this for his client to record her notes? It seems that not only visually impaired people appreciate the absence of a menu system as found on the Zoom H2 and Zoom H4 recorders, the authors client loves the H1 and a lack of a pause button doesn't seem to worry anyone, as the author points out a new file is created when the recorder is put back into "Record" mode from "Standby" mode or a mark can be set in the file whilst recording which is visible to various pieces of audio software such as sound editors etc. So now the notes are recorded what about transcription? The author talks about various pieces of transcription software available at , does this site sound familiar to list members? Yep, the same company that make the excellent Total Recorder audio/video recording software also make a full range of recording tools including Transcription software which behaves as your old dictation machine you had 20 years ago did. And finally, this software is even compatible with foot pedals and various foot pedals which connect to your computer both through USB and wirelessly are given. I expect the article will appear on in time so if this sort of stuff interests you then keep an eye on the site or perhaps you may even consider subscribing. From martin at x.it.okstate.edu Tue Apr 5 21:51:49 2011 From: martin at x.it.okstate.edu (Martin McCormick) Date: Tue, 05 Apr 2011 15:51:49 -0500 Subject: Orca Message-ID: <201104052051.p35KpnBS080964@x.it.okstate.edu> I have recently been testing out Orca which is the screen reader for the gnome desktop. It is part of the ubuntu distribution and is also included in several other Linux distributions. The computer I am trying this on is a rather nice Dell P.C. that I got from my sister's family as they all have Mac's and the P.C. hadn't been touched for several years. I think it works quite well, but I am having serious issues with the video display and how it interacts with Orca, but I am sure those issues will eventually be solved and it should be a good workhorse for several years. Orca does not have as many bells and whistles yet as voiceover or JAWS, but it is a great start. I have been told that firefox with orca is accessible so when I get the system running in a stable manner, I will certainly try it out. Orca does not yet have a playback buffer like voiceover so if you start something that takes a while, you had better record your output or be near by so you can hear it or you will miss it. It is good now and will get better with time and is yet another tool we can use to get access to information. This particular computer has been running the ubuntu live CD for ubuntu9.10 with frequent crashes, probably due to the type of graphic display it has. Last night, with Beverly's patient help, I tried to turn off the NVIDIA graphics board it has and run with the internal Dell video chip set. It appeared to work once, but has completely died since. When we get a chance to go back in and play with the two video parameter settings, I think we will eventually get it working in the sort of stable manner that Linux is famous for. From grtdane at internode.on.net Tue Apr 5 22:04:45 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2011 07:04:45 +1000 Subject: Orca In-Reply-To: <201104052051.p35KpnBS080964@x.it.okstate.edu> References: <201104052051.p35KpnBS080964@x.it.okstate.edu> Message-ID: <4D9B83ED.7020001@internode.on.net> I use Orca all the time with VINUX and I have to say that everything that came with the VINUX distribution I last got towards the end of last year I think it was works with Orce, most things work well whilst somepieces of software? Well not quite as well but they're usable. Firefox is brilliant! absolutely brilliant along with the Thunderbird email client. No, Orca does not have many bells and whilstles but one can argue given the accessibility of some of the applications with the Screen Reader, why does Orca need bells and whilstles? . The default E-Speak speech is pretty horrible and I'd give everything I own - well just about everything I own - to get a better speech synthesiser working with Orca if I could find one. On 6/04/2011 6:51 AM, Martin McCormick wrote: > I have recently been testing out Orca which is the > screen reader for the gnome desktop. It is part of the ubuntu > distribution and is also included in several other Linux > distributions. > > The computer I am trying this on is a rather nice Dell > P.C. that I got from my sister's family as they all have Mac's > and the P.C. hadn't been touched for several years. > > I think it works quite well, but I am having serious > issues with the video display and how it interacts with Orca, > but I am sure those issues will eventually be solved and it > should be a good workhorse for several years. > > Orca does not have as many bells and whistles yet as > voiceover or JAWS, but it is a great start. I have been told > that firefox with orca is accessible so when I get the system > running in a stable manner, I will certainly try it out. > > Orca does not yet have a playback buffer like voiceover > so if you start something that takes a while, you had better > record your output or be near by so you can hear it or you will > miss it. > > It is good now and will get better with time and is yet > another tool we can use to get access to information. > > This particular computer has been running the ubuntu > live CD for ubuntu9.10 with frequent crashes, probably due to > the type of graphic display it has. Last night, with Beverly's > patient help, I tried to turn off the NVIDIA graphics board it > has and run with the internal Dell video chip set. It appeared > to work once, but has completely died since. When we get a > chance to go back in and play with the two video parameter > settings, I think we will eventually get it working in the sort > of stable manner that Linux is famous for. > _______________________________________________ > > The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free > > To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: > http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html > From lynne at mac-access.net Wed Apr 6 13:27:33 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2011 13:27:33 +0100 Subject: Installing Vinux with speech and or Braille Message-ID: Hello everybody Is it possible to install this with access then? Is it possible to install to an ext. hard drive? Lynne From grtdane at internode.on.net Wed Apr 6 13:37:07 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2011 22:37:07 +1000 Subject: Installing Vinux with speech and or Braille In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5FBA0E8B-0CBB-41F6-BD85-BB832A4B19EE@internode.on.net> Certainly it is though I've not tried installing on a Mac of recent times. On 06/04/2011, at 10:27 PM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hello everybody > > Is it possible to install this with access then? Is it possible to install to an ext. hard drive? > > Lynne > > _______________________________________________ > > The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free > > To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: > http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html > From martin at x.it.okstate.edu Wed Apr 6 13:40:25 2011 From: martin at x.it.okstate.edu (Martin McCormick) Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2011 07:40:25 -0500 Subject: Installing Vinux with speech and or Braille Message-ID: <201104061240.p36CePSi084715@x.it.okstate.edu> Vinux can be installed two ways. From a live CD or from a USB drive if your computer can boot from a USB drive and most newer ones can do that. You may have to go into the setup and put the USB ports at the top of the list, but Vinux has a USB image one can use . You can then install Vinux from that on to the computer's hard drive if so desired. To be clear, I have not personally done that as I was unable to get Vinux or the latest ubuntu live CD to work on the new-to-me system I am trying to install Orca on. It is a very nice Dell P.C. that is not quite new enough to boot from a USB port. I am just going on what the documentation for Vinux3.0 and 3.1 said. Martin "Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith" writes: > Hello everybody > > Is it possible to install this with access then? Is it possible to > install to an ext. hard drive? > > Lynne > > _______________________________________________ > > The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, > virus and worm-free > > To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated > web pages located at > http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group > since the 12th of April 2010, at: > http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html > > From martin at x.it.okstate.edu Wed Apr 6 13:56:43 2011 From: martin at x.it.okstate.edu (Martin McCormick) Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2011 07:56:43 -0500 Subject: Orca Message-ID: <201104061256.p36Cuh46084818@x.it.okstate.edu> Yes, the espeak voice is a bit odd. Better than some I have heard, but definitely not Alex. I sure hope I can get these P.c.-specific problems of mine resolved tonight so I can get a stable system going. I had Beverly, my wife, help me set the CMOS values on the system I am using because you sure can't get the CMOS screen to talk. I removed the NVIDIA card so that Orca would be using the on-board video system but I think I made a wrong choice. The video part of the CMOS setup has two switches. One selects AGP or Auto and the other selects a 1-meg or an 8-meg video buffer. I though Auto sounded like a good idea as the system could select whatever it feels like using. I also selected a 8-meg video buffer. After we saved the settings, it came up on Orca and I thought we were off and running. After power-cycling the system to move it across the room, it has not booted since so I think the next step is to set AGP instead of Auto and see if it wants to boot properly. Don't you just love that CMOS screen? I'd love it a lot more if it was accessible and I could just mess with it until it worked. Some industrial grade servers do have a serial port access to the setup screen so they can be remotely configured, but most work station type systems do not have that luxury. Dane Trethowan writes: > I use Orca all the time with VINUX and I have to say that everything that > came with the VINUX distribution I last got towards the end of last year I > think it was works with Orce, most things work well whilst somepieces of > software? Well not quite as well but they're usable. > > > > Firefox is brilliant! absolutely brilliant along with the Thunderbird > email > client. > > > > No, Orca does not have many bells and whilstles but one can argue given > the > accessibility of some of the applications with the Screen Reader, why does > Orca need bells and whilstles? . > > > > The default E-Speak speech is pretty horrible and I'd give everything I > own > - well just about everything I own - to get a better speech > synthesiser working with Orca if I could find one. > > > > > On 6/04/2011 6:51 AM, Martin McCormick wrote: > > I have recently been testing out Orca which is the > screen reader for the gnome desktop. It is part of the ubuntu > distribution and is also included in several other Linux > distributions. > > The computer I am trying this on is a rather nice Dell > P.C. that I got from my sister's family as they all have Mac's > and the P.C. hadn't been touched for several years. > > I think it works quite well, but I am having serious > issues with the video display and how it interacts with Orca, > but I am sure those issues will eventually be solved and it > should be a good workhorse for several years. > > Orca does not have as many bells and whistles yet as > voiceover or JAWS, but it is a great start. I have been told > that firefox with orca is accessible so when I get the system > running in a stable manner, I will certainly try it out. > > Orca does not yet have a playback buffer like voiceover > so if you start something that takes a while, you had better > record your output or be near by so you can hear it or you will > miss it. > > It is good now and will get better with time and is yet > another tool we can use to get access to information. > > This particular computer has been running the ubuntu > live CD for ubuntu9.10 with frequent crashes, probably due to > the type of graphic display it has. Last night, with Beverly's > patient help, I tried to turn off the NVIDIA graphics board it > has and run with the internal Dell video chip set. It appeared > to work once, but has completely died since. When we get a > chance to go back in and play with the two video parameter > settings, I think we will eventually get it working in the sort > of stable manner that Linux is famous for. > _______________________________________________ > > The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, > virus and worm-free > > To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's > dedicated web pages located at > http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat > group since the 12th of April 2010, at: > http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html > > > _______________________________________________ > > The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, > virus and worm-free > > To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated > web pages located at > http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group > since the 12th of April 2010, at: > http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html > > From lynne at mac-access.net Wed Apr 6 15:21:16 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2011 15:21:16 +0100 Subject: Installing Vinux with speech and or Braille In-Reply-To: <5FBA0E8B-0CBB-41F6-BD85-BB832A4B19EE@internode.on.net> References: <5FBA0E8B-0CBB-41F6-BD85-BB832A4B19EE@internode.on.net> Message-ID: <5B08EF3E-17C0-4927-8705-F08ED4C1BC94@mac-access.net> Hello Dane On 6 Apr 2011, at 13:37, Dane Trethowan wrote: Certainly it is though I've not tried installing on a Mac of recent times. That wasn't the plan. We thought perhaps we could add a second USB hard drive to our NetBook and install it on that. Lynne From lynne at mac-access.net Wed Apr 6 15:23:47 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2011 15:23:47 +0100 Subject: Orca In-Reply-To: <201104061256.p36Cuh46084818@x.it.okstate.edu> References: <201104061256.p36Cuh46084818@x.it.okstate.edu> Message-ID: <7889FC11-4C3F-4679-8D9B-6021ACBC535F@mac-access.net> If we, as in Gordon and I, can get some sort of Linux working, I plan to buy him the Cepstral voices. Lynne On 6 Apr 2011, at 13:56, Martin McCormick wrote: Yes, the espeak voice is a bit odd. Better than some I have heard, but definitely not Alex. I sure hope I can get these P.c.-specific problems of mine resolved tonight so I can get a stable system going. I had Beverly, my wife, help me set the CMOS values on the system I am using because you sure can't get the CMOS screen to talk. I removed the NVIDIA card so that Orca would be using the on-board video system but I think I made a wrong choice. The video part of the CMOS setup has two switches. One selects AGP or Auto and the other selects a 1-meg or an 8-meg video buffer. I though Auto sounded like a good idea as the system could select whatever it feels like using. I also selected a 8-meg video buffer. After we saved the settings, it came up on Orca and I thought we were off and running. After power-cycling the system to move it across the room, it has not booted since so I think the next step is to set AGP instead of Auto and see if it wants to boot properly. Don't you just love that CMOS screen? I'd love it a lot more if it was accessible and I could just mess with it until it worked. Some industrial grade servers do have a serial port access to the setup screen so they can be remotely configured, but most work station type systems do not have that luxury. Dane Trethowan writes: > I use Orca all the time with VINUX and I have to say that everything that > came with the VINUX distribution I last got towards the end of last year I > think it was works with Orce, most things work well whilst somepieces of > software? Well not quite as well but they're usable. > > > > Firefox is brilliant! absolutely brilliant along with the Thunderbird > email > client. > > > > No, Orca does not have many bells and whilstles but one can argue given > the > accessibility of some of the applications with the Screen Reader, why does > Orca need bells and whilstles? . > > > > The default E-Speak speech is pretty horrible and I'd give everything I > own > - well just about everything I own - to get a better speech > synthesiser working with Orca if I could find one. > > > > > On 6/04/2011 6:51 AM, Martin McCormick wrote: > > I have recently been testing out Orca which is the > screen reader for the gnome desktop. It is part of the ubuntu > distribution and is also included in several other Linux > distributions. > > The computer I am trying this on is a rather nice Dell > P.C. that I got from my sister's family as they all have Mac's > and the P.C. hadn't been touched for several years. > > I think it works quite well, but I am having serious > issues with the video display and how it interacts with Orca, > but I am sure those issues will eventually be solved and it > should be a good workhorse for several years. > > Orca does not have as many bells and whistles yet as > voiceover or JAWS, but it is a great start. I have been told > that firefox with orca is accessible so when I get the system > running in a stable manner, I will certainly try it out. > > Orca does not yet have a playback buffer like voiceover > so if you start something that takes a while, you had better > record your output or be near by so you can hear it or you will > miss it. > > It is good now and will get better with time and is yet > another tool we can use to get access to information. > > This particular computer has been running the ubuntu > live CD for ubuntu9.10 with frequent crashes, probably due to > the type of graphic display it has. Last night, with Beverly's > patient help, I tried to turn off the NVIDIA graphics board it > has and run with the internal Dell video chip set. It appeared > to work once, but has completely died since. When we get a > chance to go back in and play with the two video parameter > settings, I think we will eventually get it working in the sort > of stable manner that Linux is famous for. > _______________________________________________ > > The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, > virus and worm-free > > To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's > dedicated web pages located at > http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat > group since the 12th of April 2010, at: > http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html > > > _______________________________________________ > > The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, > virus and worm-free > > To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated > web pages located at > http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group > since the 12th of April 2010, at: > http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html > > _______________________________________________ The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html From grtdane at internode.on.net Wed Apr 6 15:29:48 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2011 00:29:48 +1000 Subject: Installing Vinux with speech and or Braille In-Reply-To: <5B08EF3E-17C0-4927-8705-F08ED4C1BC94@mac-access.net> References: <5FBA0E8B-0CBB-41F6-BD85-BB832A4B19EE@internode.on.net> <5B08EF3E-17C0-4927-8705-F08ED4C1BC94@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <4AC7640D-1172-4E15-ACD8-4BB2E1CF7ED9@internode.on.net> No reason why you couldn't, take a look at On 07/04/2011, at 12:21 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hello Dane > > On 6 Apr 2011, at 13:37, Dane Trethowan wrote: > > Certainly it is though I've not tried installing on a Mac of recent times. > > That wasn't the plan. We thought perhaps we could add a second USB hard drive to our NetBook and install it on that. > > Lynne > > _______________________________________________ > > The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free > > To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: > http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html > From grtdane at internode.on.net Wed Apr 6 15:30:58 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2011 00:30:58 +1000 Subject: Orca In-Reply-To: <7889FC11-4C3F-4679-8D9B-6021ACBC535F@mac-access.net> References: <201104061256.p36Cuh46084818@x.it.okstate.edu> <7889FC11-4C3F-4679-8D9B-6021ACBC535F@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <11E27D65-0CDD-472A-BC60-CC6CFA3F328C@internode.on.net> The Cepstral voices made for LINUX? I've not seen them listed anywhere though I know that other voices are available supposedly. On 07/04/2011, at 12:23 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > If we, as in Gordon and I, can get some sort of Linux working, I plan to buy him the Cepstral voices. > > Lynne > > On 6 Apr 2011, at 13:56, Martin McCormick wrote: > > Yes, the espeak voice is a bit odd. Better than some I > have heard, but definitely not Alex. I sure hope I can get these > P.c.-specific problems of mine resolved tonight so I can get a > stable system going. > > I had Beverly, my wife, help me set the CMOS values on > the system I am using because you sure can't get the CMOS screen > to talk. I removed the NVIDIA card so that Orca would be using > the on-board video system but I think I made a wrong choice. The > video part of the CMOS setup has two switches. One selects AGP > or Auto and the other selects a 1-meg or an 8-meg video buffer. > I though Auto sounded like a good idea as the system could > select whatever it feels like using. I also selected a 8-meg > video buffer. After we saved the settings, it came up on Orca > and I thought we were off and running. > > After power-cycling the system to move it across the > room, it has not booted since so I think the next step is to set > AGP instead of Auto and see if it wants to boot properly. > > Don't you just love that CMOS screen? I'd love it a lot > more if it was accessible and I could just mess with it until it > worked. Some industrial grade servers do have a serial port > access to the setup screen so they can be remotely configured, > but most work station type systems do not have that luxury. > Dane Trethowan writes: >> I use Orca all the time with VINUX and I have to say that everything that >> came with the VINUX distribution I last got towards the end of last year I >> think it was works with Orce, most things work well whilst somepieces of >> software? Well not quite as well but they're usable. >> >> >> >> Firefox is brilliant! absolutely brilliant along with the Thunderbird >> email >> client. >> >> >> >> No, Orca does not have many bells and whilstles but one can argue given >> the >> accessibility of some of the applications with the Screen Reader, why does >> Orca need bells and whilstles? . >> >> >> >> The default E-Speak speech is pretty horrible and I'd give everything I >> own >> - well just about everything I own - to get a better speech >> synthesiser working with Orca if I could find one. >> >> >> >> >> On 6/04/2011 6:51 AM, Martin McCormick wrote: >> >> I have recently been testing out Orca which is the >> screen reader for the gnome desktop. It is part of the ubuntu >> distribution and is also included in several other Linux >> distributions. >> >> The computer I am trying this on is a rather nice Dell >> P.C. that I got from my sister's family as they all have Mac's >> and the P.C. hadn't been touched for several years. >> >> I think it works quite well, but I am having serious >> issues with the video display and how it interacts with Orca, >> but I am sure those issues will eventually be solved and it >> should be a good workhorse for several years. >> >> Orca does not have as many bells and whistles yet as >> voiceover or JAWS, but it is a great start. I have been told >> that firefox with orca is accessible so when I get the system >> running in a stable manner, I will certainly try it out. >> >> Orca does not yet have a playback buffer like voiceover >> so if you start something that takes a while, you had better >> record your output or be near by so you can hear it or you will >> miss it. >> >> It is good now and will get better with time and is yet >> another tool we can use to get access to information. >> >> This particular computer has been running the ubuntu >> live CD for ubuntu9.10 with frequent crashes, probably due to >> the type of graphic display it has. Last night, with Beverly's >> patient help, I tried to turn off the NVIDIA graphics board it >> has and run with the internal Dell video chip set. It appeared >> to work once, but has completely died since. When we get a >> chance to go back in and play with the two video parameter >> settings, I think we will eventually get it working in the sort >> of stable manner that Linux is famous for. >> _______________________________________________ >> >> The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, >> virus and worm-free >> >> To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's >> dedicated web pages located at >> http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat >> group since the 12th of April 2010, at: >> http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, >> virus and worm-free >> >> To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated >> web pages located at >> http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group >> since the 12th of April 2010, at: >> http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html >> >> > _______________________________________________ > > The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free > > To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: > http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html > > > _______________________________________________ > > The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free > > To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: > http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html > From grtdane at internode.on.net Wed Apr 6 17:15:57 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Thu, 07 Apr 2011 02:15:57 +1000 Subject: Squeezebox System, gradually fitting all the pieces together Message-ID: <4D9C91BD.7090000@internode.on.net> Hi! I said I'd keep the list updated with how I was going with the setup of my Squeeze box system here and today I went a little further. I'm still yet to set up the Squeezebox Boom Player as I need soemone who can read the screen of the player to help me programme the network settings thought that should be straight forward and with luck I should have that step completed later on today. I have however managed to set up a Squeezebox account - this is what Squeezebox systems can use to determine what should be played and how - and I installed the Squeezebox Server onto a couple of my machines, 1 being a Mac and the other a Windows PC - the server allows total control of S Squeezebox players connected to your network. Both the Squeezebox server for Mac and Windows are accessible though with the Windows version you are required to use mouse movement keys to get to various parts of the software but as I say, certainly not impossible to use and I've seen much worse. The Squeezebox Server software for Mac appears in System Preferences and is completely accessible as far as I've seen. Squeezebox as I've probably already indicated will handle just about every audio type you can possibly throw at it and if there's one type of audio that it doesn't handle then its most likely that a plug-in is available to solve the problem. Squeezebox Server can scan your local network or computer for your audio colections and add them to your Squeezebox library automatically. So for those wondering about what Squeezebox wireless audio players are available? I know of 3, the Squeezebox Boom which I have looks like a mini stereo right out of the 80s though sound quality is far better , a speaker at each end with a control panel, jog dial and display set in the middle, the Boom can be controlled remotely by the infra red remote control or an Iphone/Ipad app. The Squeezebox Duet comprises 2 parts, a controller and a receiver, the receiver plugs into your hi-fi, powered speakers etc and can be connected digitally. The Squeezebox Touch I've not yet investigated but as far as I know, its similar to the Boom but with a touch screen and the ability to add external drives and memory sticks. Tune in for the next installment . From lynne at mac-access.net Wed Apr 6 22:25:54 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2011 22:25:54 +0100 Subject: Installing Vinux with speech and or Braille In-Reply-To: <4AC7640D-1172-4E15-ACD8-4BB2E1CF7ED9@internode.on.net> References: <5FBA0E8B-0CBB-41F6-BD85-BB832A4B19EE@internode.on.net> <5B08EF3E-17C0-4927-8705-F08ED4C1BC94@mac-access.net> <4AC7640D-1172-4E15-ACD8-4BB2E1CF7ED9@internode.on.net> Message-ID: Hello Dane On 6 Apr 2011, at 15:29, Dane Trethowan wrote: No reason why you couldn't, take a look at Shouldn't that be or is that a different thing? I get a "not found" error on Lynne From gordon at mac-access.net Wed Apr 6 22:26:25 2011 From: gordon at mac-access.net (Gordon Smith) Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2011 22:26:25 +0100 Subject: Orca In-Reply-To: <11E27D65-0CDD-472A-BC60-CC6CFA3F328C@internode.on.net> References: <201104061256.p36Cuh46084818@x.it.okstate.edu> <7889FC11-4C3F-4679-8D9B-6021ACBC535F@mac-access.net> <11E27D65-0CDD-472A-BC60-CC6CFA3F328C@internode.on.net> Message-ID: <74829F37-F99C-40AF-A132-B8AA792FA485@mac-access.net> Yes they are. On 6 Apr 2011, at 15:30, Dane Trethowan wrote: The Cepstral voices made for LINUX? I've not seen them listed anywhere though I know that other voices are available supposedly. On 07/04/2011, at 12:23 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > If we, as in Gordon and I, can get some sort of Linux working, I plan to buy him the Cepstral voices. > > Lynne > > On 6 Apr 2011, at 13:56, Martin McCormick wrote: > > Yes, the espeak voice is a bit odd. Better than some I > have heard, but definitely not Alex. I sure hope I can get these > P.c.-specific problems of mine resolved tonight so I can get a > stable system going. > > I had Beverly, my wife, help me set the CMOS values on > the system I am using because you sure can't get the CMOS screen > to talk. I removed the NVIDIA card so that Orca would be using > the on-board video system but I think I made a wrong choice. The > video part of the CMOS setup has two switches. One selects AGP > or Auto and the other selects a 1-meg or an 8-meg video buffer. > I though Auto sounded like a good idea as the system could > select whatever it feels like using. I also selected a 8-meg > video buffer. After we saved the settings, it came up on Orca > and I thought we were off and running. > > After power-cycling the system to move it across the > room, it has not booted since so I think the next step is to set > AGP instead of Auto and see if it wants to boot properly. > > Don't you just love that CMOS screen? I'd love it a lot > more if it was accessible and I could just mess with it until it > worked. Some industrial grade servers do have a serial port > access to the setup screen so they can be remotely configured, > but most work station type systems do not have that luxury. > Dane Trethowan writes: >> I use Orca all the time with VINUX and I have to say that everything that >> came with the VINUX distribution I last got towards the end of last year I >> think it was works with Orce, most things work well whilst somepieces of >> software? Well not quite as well but they're usable. >> >> >> >> Firefox is brilliant! absolutely brilliant along with the Thunderbird >> email >> client. >> >> >> >> No, Orca does not have many bells and whilstles but one can argue given >> the >> accessibility of some of the applications with the Screen Reader, why does >> Orca need bells and whilstles? . >> >> >> >> The default E-Speak speech is pretty horrible and I'd give everything I >> own >> - well just about everything I own - to get a better speech >> synthesiser working with Orca if I could find one. >> >> >> >> >> On 6/04/2011 6:51 AM, Martin McCormick wrote: >> >> I have recently been testing out Orca which is the >> screen reader for the gnome desktop. It is part of the ubuntu >> distribution and is also included in several other Linux >> distributions. >> >> The computer I am trying this on is a rather nice Dell >> P.C. that I got from my sister's family as they all have Mac's >> and the P.C. hadn't been touched for several years. >> >> I think it works quite well, but I am having serious >> issues with the video display and how it interacts with Orca, >> but I am sure those issues will eventually be solved and it >> should be a good workhorse for several years. >> >> Orca does not have as many bells and whistles yet as >> voiceover or JAWS, but it is a great start. I have been told >> that firefox with orca is accessible so when I get the system >> running in a stable manner, I will certainly try it out. >> >> Orca does not yet have a playback buffer like voiceover >> so if you start something that takes a while, you had better >> record your output or be near by so you can hear it or you will >> miss it. >> >> It is good now and will get better with time and is yet >> another tool we can use to get access to information. >> >> This particular computer has been running the ubuntu >> live CD for ubuntu9.10 with frequent crashes, probably due to >> the type of graphic display it has. Last night, with Beverly's >> patient help, I tried to turn off the NVIDIA graphics board it >> has and run with the internal Dell video chip set. It appeared >> to work once, but has completely died since. When we get a >> chance to go back in and play with the two video parameter >> settings, I think we will eventually get it working in the sort >> of stable manner that Linux is famous for. >> _______________________________________________ >> >> The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, >> virus and worm-free >> >> To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's >> dedicated web pages located at >> http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat >> group since the 12th of April 2010, at: >> http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, >> virus and worm-free >> >> To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated >> web pages located at >> http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group >> since the 12th of April 2010, at: >> http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html >> >> > _______________________________________________ > > The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free > > To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: > http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html > > > _______________________________________________ > > The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free > > To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: > http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html > _______________________________________________ The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html From grtdane at internode.on.net Thu Apr 7 00:25:12 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Thu, 07 Apr 2011 09:25:12 +1000 Subject: Installing Vinux with speech and or Braille In-Reply-To: References: <5FBA0E8B-0CBB-41F6-BD85-BB832A4B19EE@internode.on.net> <5B08EF3E-17C0-4927-8705-F08ED4C1BC94@mac-access.net> <4AC7640D-1172-4E15-ACD8-4BB2E1CF7ED9@internode.on.net> Message-ID: <4D9CF658.2040409@internode.on.net> On 7/04/2011 7:25 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hello Dane > > On 6 Apr 2011, at 15:29, Dane Trethowan wrote: > > No reason why you couldn't, take a look at > > Shouldn't that be or is that a different thing? I get a "not found" error on > > Lynne > > > _______________________________________________ > > The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free > > To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: > http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html > From grtdane at internode.on.net Thu Apr 7 12:37:05 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Thu, 07 Apr 2011 21:37:05 +1000 Subject: New version of NVDA released Message-ID: <4D9DA1E1.7050006@internode.on.net> High everyone! New version of NVDA has been released, version 2011.1.1 which has several bug and security fixes, if you're using NVDA then the upgrade is recommended From marrie12 at gmail.com Thu Apr 7 16:12:00 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2011 08:12:00 -0700 Subject: Skype 2.2 beta for Linux with Skype Access and improved audio/video quality Message-ID: <261BB52B-1AF2-47D0-B5DC-92083918DAD2@gmail.com> This from skype garage blog. Today is the day. I'm glad to write to you about Skype 2.2 beta for Linux. The major new features of the Skype 2.2 for Linux are: Skype AccessSupport for call waiting and holdingImproved audio/video quality in callsWe recommend to all our Linux users to upgrade to this version. Start downloading it now. Though please remember that this is a beta version, which means that it has a few known glitches in. Please let us know what you think about this release by discussing matters on our forum - and in case anything unexpected should happen, please let us know by raising an issue report on our public issue tracker. The new features and improvements: Skype Access Skype Access is a nifty addition to Skype which lets you connect to paid WiFi hotspots around the globe easily and to pay for them with Skype credits. No need to hassle with credit cards or subscriptions - and you pay by minute, so you will pay for the time you actually use the service and you don't need to buy a voucher for a full hour in case you just want to make a 5 minute Skype call or send a few emails. Support for call waiting and holding Skype for Linux now supports call waiting and holding. It's especially good if you are hosting a conference calls and people are calling in. In addition we have also included a support for easy conference call hosting. Improved audio/video quality on calls We have updated the underlying libraries to the newest version available, which should enhance audio and video call quality and reliability. In addition to these bigger changes we have introduce numerous small improvements and bug fixes. The full release notes for Skype 2.2.0.25 are: Features: * feature: Skype Access. * feature: Support for call waiting and holding. * feature: Improved audio/video quality on calls. Improvements: CategoryDescription Account creation Improve advice on the account creation password error messages. Add contacts Add Search again button and make search user dialog more user-friendly. Calling Don't play ringing out sound on a conference call. Calling Easy Conference calling support via Skype links Calling Add a contact to call via drag and drop Contact list Add possibility to drag and drop multiple contacts to a contact group. Hotkeys Add "Full screen video" keyboard shortcut. Instant Messaging Add call button to chat window. Instant Messaging Improved quote message usability. Instant Messaging Add 'Last 6 Months' and 'Last Year' under chat history dropdown. Misc Quick online status changing possibility from tray icon. Options Support for multiple text sender IDs under SMS options. Options Add small label next to Sound Setup instructing users that PulseAudio settings are held outside of Skype. Profile Added start/stop Screen sharing button to contact card. Profile Add Last Seen item in profile viewer. Send contacts Add possibility to send contacts via drag and drop on the contact list. Video Dynamic update video devices list when it changes. Video Support for receiving differing aspect video correctly both in window and fullscreen Call Phones Country selector is now more user friendly. Instant Messaging Improved IM selection and copy functionality. Options Improved SMS sender number verification. UI rendering/generic issues Desktop setting style is now the default one for new clean profiles. UI rendering/generic issues Improve experience when using Oxygen style. Known issues: CategoryDescriptionWorkaround Installation Skype fails to be installed on Ubuntu 11.04 Beta 1 Visit https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/712377 for the suggested fix. General Logging out and then in, intermittently causes Skype to crash None available General On Debian amd64 version Skype crashes on startup with the message: "Inconsistency detected by ld.so: dl-open.c: 623: \_dl_open: Assertion `_dl_debug_initialize (0, args.nsid)->r_state == RT_CONSISTENT' failed\!" This seems to be Debian only issue with 32 bit PulseAudio libraries being installed even if PulseAudio is not active, a workaround can be: - Debian Lenny: sudo chmod a-r /usr/lib32/libpulse{-simple.so.0.0.1,.so.0.4.1} - Debian Squeeze: sudo chmod a-r /usr/lib32/libpulse{-simple.so.0.0.2,.so.0.8.0,common-0.9.15.so} General On some amd64 distributions avatars are not showing, this is a problem with 32-bits emulation Qt library. Qt tries to find its image format plugins, but finds a 64-bits version instead and fails to load it. A workaround is to specify a plugin path when launching skype like this: - Ubuntu 64 bit: install ""ia32-libs"" package and launch Skype with: QT_PLUGIN_PATH=/usr/lib32/qt4/plugins skype - Arch 64 bit (with 32 bit chroot installed in /opt/arch32): QT_PLUGIN_PATH=/opt/arch32/usr/lib/qt/plugins skype - Other distributions might have a different path. Options When PulseAudio is enabled in the audio settings, only that specific entry will be available. To change PulseAudio settings, use the PulseAudio manager tool that is bundled with your distribution. Video Your video capture might show seldomly green, scrambled or black image. Please install one additional package which might solve your problem: - Ubuntu 32 bit: install ""libv4l-0"" package and launch Skype with: LD_PRELOAD=/usr/lib/libv4l/v4l2convert.so skype - Ubuntu 64 bit: install ""lib32v4l-0"" package and launch Skype with: LD_PRELOAD=/usr/lib32/libv4l/v4l2convert.so skype - Other distributions might have the same library, but may have a different path. Video Webcam problems when trying to send video from a Logitech camera and/or the error message 'Failed to query UVC control' in the console and syslog. Visit [http://www.quickcamteam.net/documentation/faq/logitech-webcam-linux-usb-incompatibilities] for the suggested fix. Video How to make video working on Logitech Quickcam Messenger [0x046d:0x08f0] Visit for suggested workarounds: - http://www.kuhrti.de/index.php/linux/logitech-quickcam-messenger-on-linux/ - http://www.kuhrti.de/index.php/article/logitech-quickcam-messenger-on-ubuntu-9-04/ Bugfixes: CategoryDescription Calls Call transfer did not work Calls Call windows showed sometimes undisclosed_pstn xxxx for caller. Calls Video was not restarted always when switching from screensharing to video. Calls Myself preview was not rendered if user did not have XVideo support. Calls Myself video was not displayed correctly after remote user stopped sending his/her own video under fullscreen. Calls Call window was not properly updated when call was autoanswered. Contact List SkypeOut contact would disappear from groups after renaming. Contact List Infrequent UI rendering issue when using quickfilter when contact groups were enabled. Crashes Crash when clicking Apply button in SMS/Call Forwarding tab on options. Crashes Crash when opening options while signing-in. Crashes Crash when adding an incoming call to conference. Events Pressing enter on a birthday event did not open an IM. Events Unwanted missed call event when declining incoming call. Events There were no default text for outgoing authorization requests. Events Incoming new chat event closed the myself and my services areas. Events Skype played a notification sound when message was received on active conversation. Events Open receiving directory option was incorrectly displayed for pending incoming file transfers. Events Sometimes authorization events were not cleared after clicking on them. Instant Messaging On some distributions mouse cursor did not change while hovering on top of chat links. Instant Messaging Returning from fullscreen didn't correctly resume video. Instant Messaging Chat participants text size was too narrow when a small system font was in use. Instant Messaging The date separator was missing on chat events. Instant Messaging Editing multiple messages concatenated them in edit box. Instant Messaging The conversation view scrolled when adding a person to a conversation. Instant Messaging Typing indicator was cropped when a small font is in use. Instant Messaging Instant Messages on group conversations were sometimes wrongly ordered when messages were delivered with a delay. Instant Messaging Edit and Remove message options were too close. Options Test video button was enabled even if there weren't any supported webcams connected. Options No video devices found error message was not displayed correctly. Options When changing a default directory for received files, Skype sometimes asked for permission to overwrite a file. Options Video preview froze when saving video options. Packages Fix dependencies list in SUSE and Fedora rpms. SMS SMS message cost was shown incorrectly after first SMS was sent. SMS Invalid numbers could lead to empty SMS windows. SMS SMS input area was not automatically cutting pasted text if it was too long. UI rendering/generic issues Some dialogs were not automatically closed on user signout. UI rendering/generic issues Contact card's label was wrongly set in some cases. UI rendering/generic issues Newly added contacts were not found by quickfilter. UI rendering/generic issues Skype showed 0 byte size for incoming files bigger than 2 GB. UI rendering/generic issues "More emails" button under edit own profile did not always work correctly. UI rendering/generic issues Invalid Phone number label error was displayed after opening Phone contact profile. UI rendering/generic issues Start conference call dialog was not closed when pressing escape. UI rendering/generic issues Show avatar' button was displayed on authorization dialog even if there was no avatar to show. UI rendering/generic issues Editing own profile window was sometimes too narrow to accommodate scrollbar. UI rendering/generic issues Sometimes incoming file transfer info was missing or inaccurate. UI rendering/generic issues Start call option on contact card was mising after being removed from a conference call. UI rendering/generic issues Auto-accept file sending did not work when transfer window was closed while user status was Do Not Disturb. Localization Order Countries and Languages list in a locale aware manner. Localization Echo123's language depends on own profile's language and not from UI's language. Updated languages: * Brazilian Portuguese (Fabio Roselet) * Bulgarian (Nikolay Filipov & Nikolina Filipova) * Estonian * European Portuguese (Francisco Miguel Ferreira) * French (C?dric Lamouche) * German (Claudius Henrichs) * Italian (Marco Cimmino) * Japanese * Korean * Latvian * Lithuanian (Viktoras Kriukovas) * Polish (Karol Szastok) * Romanian (P?ter Henning & Monika Henning) * Russian (Pavel Shevchuk) * Simplified Chinese * Spanish * Thai * Traditional Chinese * Turkish (?mer Emin Dede) * Ukrainian (Oleh Nykyforchyn) http://bit.ly/i4hkTz From marrie12 at gmail.com Thu Apr 7 17:48:52 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2011 09:48:52 -0700 Subject: A podbean question. Message-ID: <024AB9F9-EDF4-4E82-B0DA-DFF3B8F283CB@gmail.com> I ask a question regarding podbean http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AkboIsG3k80 From lynne at mac-access.net Fri Apr 8 22:30:33 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2011 22:30:33 +0100 Subject: 1Password for Windows i386 Message-ID: Hello everybody I have a couple of questions: 1. Does the license bought when 1Password I386 when it was in beta still work for the current version? 2. Anybody using this programme, regardless of whether you use a Mac or not as well, do you think it's worth installing and configuring? 3. I gather that it somehow can make use of Drop Box. Now that we actually have Drop Box, in what way does 1Password utilise Drop Box? 4. Is 1Password for Windows fully accessible for those of you who have to use screen-readers? Thank you. I welcome any other comments anybody using this programme might make. I think that, given the nature of our network configurations, it's time we started using this utility again. I'm actually also considering something like PGP, although that is only 1 solution I am thinking about to protect our data. Lynne Lynne From grtdane at internode.on.net Fri Apr 8 22:33:54 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2011 07:33:54 +1000 Subject: 1Password for Windows i386 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2564A3E7-7909-4C90-9227-0FE4A10389F5@internode.on.net> I've had 1 Password for Windows registered for some time, can't be sure but I do think its out of Beta now. I wouldn't be without this tool and dropbox certainly adds more functionality to the software particularly if you're using 1 Password on more than 1 device, Mac, PC, Iphone, Ipad etc. On 09/04/2011, at 7:30 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hello everybody > > I have a couple of questions: > > 1. Does the license bought when 1Password I386 when it was in beta still work for the current version? > > 2. Anybody using this programme, regardless of whether you use a Mac or not as well, do you think it's worth installing and configuring? > > 3. I gather that it somehow can make use of Drop Box. Now that we actually have Drop Box, in what way does 1Password utilise Drop Box? > > 4. Is 1Password for Windows fully accessible for those of you who have to use screen-readers? > > Thank you. > > I welcome any other comments anybody using this programme might make. I think that, given the nature of our network configurations, it's time we started using this utility again. > > I'm actually also considering something like PGP, although that is only 1 solution I am thinking about to protect our data. > > Lynne > > Lynne > > _______________________________________________ > > The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free > > To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: > http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html > From grtdane at internode.on.net Sat Apr 9 12:27:14 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Sat, 09 Apr 2011 21:27:14 +1000 Subject: Digital Radio DAB and DAB+ advance Message-ID: <4DA04292.8060108@internode.on.net> Hi! Unable to get my hands on the full article but the summary page I'm sure will be of interest enough for everyone here to use Google to find out more . > Song tagging and mood lighting: new features in Pure's latest products > Using similar audio recognition software as the popular phone app Shazam > , high end Pure digital radios will soon be able to identify, bookmark > and buy your > favourite songs using wifi and the screen based digital radio > interface. The > FlowSongs > feature, which has already been operating in the UK for the past year, > was launched > in Australia today as part of Pure?s latest product range. From marrie12 at gmail.com Sat Apr 9 20:28:30 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2011 12:28:30 -0700 Subject: Dropbox authentication: insecure by design Message-ID: <01AE4B26-8C0D-46FF-B5A5-80C374F96BBC@gmail.com> Are dropbox aware of this? Will they fix this flaw? http://bit.ly/fQaS2d From grtdane at internode.on.net Sat Apr 9 20:50:51 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2011 05:50:51 +1000 Subject: Dropbox authentication: insecure by design In-Reply-To: <01AE4B26-8C0D-46FF-B5A5-80C374F96BBC@gmail.com> References: <01AE4B26-8C0D-46FF-B5A5-80C374F96BBC@gmail.com> Message-ID: Thank you for posting this, every Dropbox user should read it. On 10/04/2011, at 5:28 AM, Sarah Alawami wrote: > Are dropbox aware of this? Will they fix this flaw? > > http://bit.ly/fQaS2d > > _______________________________________________ > > The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free > > To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: > http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html > From grtdane at internode.on.net Sun Apr 10 12:39:18 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2011 21:39:18 +1000 Subject: Skype Talking Message-ID: <4DA196E6.4020501@internode.on.net> Hi! I'm sure many of you will have heard of Skype Talking but thought this utility was worth another mention . Now you can use Skype no matter what Screen Reader you're using or even if you're not using a Screen Reader and that's great news, there are a couple of applications out there which aren't Screen Dependent, Qwitter - the very versatile Twitter client is one and Skype Talking another -. So what does this mean? In a nutshell it means that you have a clean accessible itnerface to Skype which is easy to use, no need for a Screen Reader, no need to worry about scripts that seem often not to work the way you think they ought to, no need to learn what may seem complex layouts and so on. Here's the url to the latest version http://goo.gl/81Ggs From lynne at mac-access.net Sun Apr 10 19:47:16 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2011 19:47:16 +0100 Subject: Dropbox authentication: insecure by design In-Reply-To: <01AE4B26-8C0D-46FF-B5A5-80C374F96BBC@gmail.com> References: <01AE4B26-8C0D-46FF-B5A5-80C374F96BBC@gmail.com> Message-ID: Gordon told this list about this problem a few days ago was told he was wrong. On 9 Apr 2011, at 20:28, Sarah Alawami wrote: Are dropbox aware of this? Will they fix this flaw? http://bit.ly/fQaS2d _______________________________________________ The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html From lynne at mac-access.net Sun Apr 10 20:03:18 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2011 20:03:18 +0100 Subject: 1Password for Windows i386 In-Reply-To: <2564A3E7-7909-4C90-9227-0FE4A10389F5@internode.on.net> References: <2564A3E7-7909-4C90-9227-0FE4A10389F5@internode.on.net> Message-ID: <93768B3B-87C5-4A57-B656-7FA60785A26E@mac-access.net> Hello Dane On 8 Apr 2011, at 22:33, Dane Trethowan wrote: ? I've had 1 Password for Windows registered for some time, can't be sure but I do think its out of Beta now. it is, and so have we. ? I wouldn't be without this tool and dropbox certainly adds more functionality to the software particularly if you're using 1 Password on more than 1 device, Mac, PC, Iphone, Ipad etc. I wonder why they didn't give you the option of MobileMe which many Mac users use. Given that the iPhone and other iOS devices are supported by MobileMe directly, it would have seemed a logical option. So, of course, are Microsoft OS desktops and laptops. From lynne at mac-access.net Sun Apr 10 20:06:52 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2011 20:06:52 +0100 Subject: Digital Radio DAB and DAB+ advance In-Reply-To: <4DA04292.8060108@internode.on.net> References: <4DA04292.8060108@internode.on.net> Message-ID: <1390000D-9C0D-4C8B-9272-7CB53556309E@mac-access.net> So the big question; how does this benefit the visually impaired? Lynne On 9 Apr 2011, at 12:27, Dane Trethowan wrote: Unable to get my hands on the full article but the summary page I'm sure will be of interest enough for everyone here to use Google to find out more . > Song tagging and mood lighting: new features in Pure's latest products > Using similar audio recognition software as the popular phone app Shazam > , high end Pure digital radios will soon be able to identify, bookmark and buy your > favourite songs using wifi and the screen based digital radio interface. The > FlowSongs > feature, which has already been operating in the UK for the past year, was launched > in Australia today as part of Pure?s latest product range. From grtdane at internode.on.net Sun Apr 10 20:23:23 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2011 05:23:23 +1000 Subject: 1Password for Windows i386 In-Reply-To: <93768B3B-87C5-4A57-B656-7FA60785A26E@mac-access.net> References: <2564A3E7-7909-4C90-9227-0FE4A10389F5@internode.on.net> <93768B3B-87C5-4A57-B656-7FA60785A26E@mac-access.net> Message-ID: There are multiple options to sync your 1 Password accounts but bare in mind that Dropbox is probably the most widely known. On 11/04/2011, at 5:03 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hello Dane > > On 8 Apr 2011, at 22:33, Dane Trethowan wrote: > > ? I've had 1 Password for Windows registered for some time, can't be sure but I do think its out of Beta now. > > it is, and so have we. > > ? I wouldn't be without this tool and dropbox certainly adds more functionality to the software particularly if you're using 1 Password on more than 1 device, Mac, PC, Iphone, Ipad etc. > > I wonder why they didn't give you the option of MobileMe which many Mac users use. Given that the iPhone and other iOS devices are supported by MobileMe directly, it would have seemed a logical option. So, of course, are Microsoft OS desktops and laptops. > > > _______________________________________________ > > The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free > > To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: > http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html > From grtdane at internode.on.net Sun Apr 10 20:24:24 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2011 05:24:24 +1000 Subject: Digital Radio DAB and DAB+ advance In-Reply-To: <1390000D-9C0D-4C8B-9272-7CB53556309E@mac-access.net> References: <4DA04292.8060108@internode.on.net> <1390000D-9C0D-4C8B-9272-7CB53556309E@mac-access.net> Message-ID: It probably won't given that the set I know which most likely has this feature is nearly unusable by blind people but then again how usable or otherwise wasn't at the core of my thinking when I posed the message. On 11/04/2011, at 5:06 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > So the big question; how does this benefit the visually impaired? > > Lynne > > On 9 Apr 2011, at 12:27, Dane Trethowan wrote: > > Unable to get my hands on the full article but the summary page I'm sure will be of interest enough for everyone here to use Google to find out more . >> Song tagging and mood lighting: new features in Pure's latest products >> Using similar audio recognition software as the popular phone app Shazam >> , high end Pure digital radios will soon be able to identify, bookmark and buy your >> favourite songs using wifi and the screen based digital radio interface. The >> FlowSongs >> feature, which has already been operating in the UK for the past year, was launched >> in Australia today as part of Pure?s latest product range. > > _______________________________________________ > > The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free > > To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: > http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html > From lynne at mac-access.net Mon Apr 11 01:20:36 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2011 01:20:36 +0100 Subject: 1Password for Windows i386 In-Reply-To: References: <2564A3E7-7909-4C90-9227-0FE4A10389F5@internode.on.net> <93768B3B-87C5-4A57-B656-7FA60785A26E@mac-access.net> Message-ID: Hello Dane I am not sure I agree with your last speculative comment. Most Mac users and iOS users know about MobileMe because it's staring them in the face by default when they get their device set up. Lynne On 10 Apr 2011, at 20:23, Dane Trethowan wrote: There are multiple options to sync your 1 Password accounts but bare in mind that Dropbox is probably the most widely known. On 11/04/2011, at 5:03 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hello Dane > > On 8 Apr 2011, at 22:33, Dane Trethowan wrote: > > ? I've had 1 Password for Windows registered for some time, can't be sure but I do think its out of Beta now. > > it is, and so have we. > > ? I wouldn't be without this tool and dropbox certainly adds more functionality to the software particularly if you're using 1 Password on more than 1 device, Mac, PC, Iphone, Ipad etc. > > I wonder why they didn't give you the option of MobileMe which many Mac users use. Given that the iPhone and other iOS devices are supported by MobileMe directly, it would have seemed a logical option. So, of course, are Microsoft OS desktops and laptops. > > > _______________________________________________ > > The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free > > To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: > http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html > _______________________________________________ The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html From lynne at mac-access.net Mon Apr 11 01:22:20 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2011 01:22:20 +0100 Subject: Digital Radio DAB and DAB+ advance In-Reply-To: References: <4DA04292.8060108@internode.on.net> <1390000D-9C0D-4C8B-9272-7CB53556309E@mac-access.net> Message-ID: I was merely exploring how those with accessibility might be able to use the service. Lynne On 10 Apr 2011, at 20:24, Dane Trethowan wrote: It probably won't given that the set I know which most likely has this feature is nearly unusable by blind people but then again how usable or otherwise wasn't at the core of my thinking when I posed the message. On 11/04/2011, at 5:06 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > So the big question; how does this benefit the visually impaired? > > Lynne > > On 9 Apr 2011, at 12:27, Dane Trethowan wrote: > > Unable to get my hands on the full article but the summary page I'm sure will be of interest enough for everyone here to use Google to find out more . >> Song tagging and mood lighting: new features in Pure's latest products >> Using similar audio recognition software as the popular phone app Shazam >> , high end Pure digital radios will soon be able to identify, bookmark and buy your >> favourite songs using wifi and the screen based digital radio interface. The >> FlowSongs >> feature, which has already been operating in the UK for the past year, was launched >> in Australia today as part of Pure?s latest product range. > > _______________________________________________ > > The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free > > To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: > http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html > _______________________________________________ The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html From lynne at mac-access.net Mon Apr 11 01:34:24 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2011 01:34:24 +0100 Subject: Griffin Technology Does It Again! Message-ID: <654D235A-ADBC-4AAD-A3C7-E78B32995468@mac-access.net> Hello all For almost the entire time that Gordon and I have owned our iPad, we have been using a couple of "aFrames" which are Aluminium stands for the iPad which allow you to have the iPad either standing up, or laid down on an angle beautifully raised at the back for typing. Well, it seems Griffin has now modified the design of the fantastic "aFrame", and make it suitable for the iPad II. If anybody on list has either the origianl iPad, or the brand new iPad II, you're stark raving bonkers, mad, barmy, out of your mind, demented, insane, (or is it me who is insane)? But you're crazy anyway if you haven't got one of these little beauties. The aFrame is a rugged sturdy aluminium stand, as I said, which folds on a hinge. The cradle of the stand is rubber padded to protect your iPad which fits snugly into the stand whether it's standing up with the legs of the stand fully apart, or whether it's laid down forming a cradle with the iPad positioned just right for typing. You can stand the iPad in either landscape or portrait mode, and it allows you easy access to all connectors and controls. It even allows you to keep the iPads in one of many types of cases so that you get the extra protection. In short, a wonderful product well worth the money. Cost us about ?29 GBP but it's something we have never ever regretted buying. Lynne From marrie12 at gmail.com Mon Apr 11 03:17:35 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2011 19:17:35 -0700 Subject: Dropbox authentication: insecure by design In-Reply-To: References: <01AE4B26-8C0D-46FF-B5A5-80C374F96BBC@gmail.com> Message-ID: <27EE253B-E73C-47A8-BCCB-417EE4F0E6D4@gmail.com> Yeah I thoguht they meant https and stuff I didn't thnk from the inside, that is the program workings lol! Sarah Alawami If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com website: http://music.marrie.org Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 On Apr 10, 2011, at 11:47 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Gordon told this list about this problem a few days ago was told he was wrong. > > On 9 Apr 2011, at 20:28, Sarah Alawami wrote: > > Are dropbox aware of this? Will they fix this flaw? > > http://bit.ly/fQaS2d > > _______________________________________________ > > The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free > > To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: > http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html > > > _______________________________________________ > > The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free > > To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: > http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html > From moore.c at blueyonder.co.uk Mon Apr 11 08:18:10 2011 From: moore.c at blueyonder.co.uk (Chris Moore) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2011 08:18:10 +0100 Subject: Griffin Technology Does It Again! In-Reply-To: <654D235A-ADBC-4AAD-A3C7-E78B32995468@mac-access.net> References: <654D235A-ADBC-4AAD-A3C7-E78B32995468@mac-access.net> Message-ID: Nice, but is it as portable and as sexy as the new Apple Smart covers which also turn into a stand? They are fantastic. On 11 Apr 2011, at 01:34, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hello all > > For almost the entire time that Gordon and I have owned our iPad, we have been using a couple of "aFrames" which are Aluminium stands for the iPad which allow you to have the iPad either standing up, or laid down on an angle beautifully raised at the back for typing. Well, it seems Griffin has now modified the design of the fantastic "aFrame", and make it suitable for the iPad II. If anybody on list has either the origianl iPad, or the brand new iPad II, you're stark raving bonkers, mad, barmy, out of your mind, demented, insane, (or is it me who is insane)? But you're crazy anyway if you haven't got one of these little beauties. > > The aFrame is a rugged sturdy aluminium stand, as I said, which folds on a hinge. The cradle of the stand is rubber padded to protect your iPad which fits snugly into the stand whether it's standing up with the legs of the stand fully apart, or whether it's laid down forming a cradle with the iPad positioned just right for typing. You can stand the iPad in either landscape or portrait mode, and it allows you easy access to all connectors and controls. It even allows you to keep the iPads in one of many types of cases so that you get the extra protection. > > In short, a wonderful product well worth the money. Cost us about ?29 GBP but it's something we have never ever regretted buying. > > Lynne > > _______________________________________________ > > The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free > > To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: > http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html > From gordon at mac-access.net Mon Apr 11 18:47:53 2011 From: gordon at mac-access.net (Gordon Smith) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2011 18:47:53 +0100 Subject: Dropbox authentication: insecure by design In-Reply-To: <27EE253B-E73C-47A8-BCCB-417EE4F0E6D4@gmail.com> References: <01AE4B26-8C0D-46FF-B5A5-80C374F96BBC@gmail.com> <27EE253B-E73C-47A8-BCCB-417EE4F0E6D4@gmail.com> Message-ID: The lack of secure encrypted transfers is also a problem Sarah. They are using completely unencrypted data channels on the HTTP mechanism which worries me, and always has. But sadly, some people seem to feel that, because they'are a big company and all that stuff, they must be doing things right. In actual fact there is a lot wrong with Drop Box, but people won't listen to me so I stopped telling them. We use it here, but not for sensitive data backups. Gordon On 11 Apr 2011, at 03:17, Sarah Alawami wrote: Yeah I thoguht they meant https and stuff I didn't thnk from the inside, that is the program workings lol! From gordon at mac-access.net Mon Apr 11 18:50:44 2011 From: gordon at mac-access.net (Gordon Smith) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2011 18:50:44 +0100 Subject: Griffin Technology Does It Again! In-Reply-To: References: <654D235A-ADBC-4AAD-A3C7-E78B32995468@mac-access.net> Message-ID: Different thing entirely, you're trying to compare two complete different products Chris. The aFrame is a stand, made of metal. We personally don't buy on what is "Sexy", as people call it. LOL. We buy on functionality grounds and the aFrame is excellent for what we need. Gordon On 11 Apr 2011, at 08:18, Chris Moore wrote: Nice, but is it as portable and as sexy as the new Apple Smart covers which also turn into a stand? They are fantastic. From gordon at mac-access.net Mon Apr 11 18:52:50 2011 From: gordon at mac-access.net (Gordon Smith) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2011 18:52:50 +0100 Subject: Winamp Query Message-ID: <5D52833C-6AF1-4B0A-99ED-F76727787822@mac-access.net> Hi all Anybody know whether Winamp can handle bookmarkable M4a audiobooks? I'm playing with the idea of re-installing Winamps on our NetBook. Gordon From grtdane at internode.on.net Mon Apr 11 18:54:39 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2011 03:54:39 +1000 Subject: Winamp Query In-Reply-To: <5D52833C-6AF1-4B0A-99ED-F76727787822@mac-access.net> References: <5D52833C-6AF1-4B0A-99ED-F76727787822@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <4DA3405F.9030305@internode.on.net> Yep it can and can even import right from Itunes libraries if you have your books there. On 12/04/2011 3:52 AM, Gordon Smith wrote: > Hi all > > Anybody know whether Winamp can handle bookmarkable M4a audiobooks? I'm playing with the idea of re-installing Winamps on our NetBook. > > Gordon > > _______________________________________________ > > The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free > > To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: > http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html > From gordon at mac-access.net Mon Apr 11 19:05:23 2011 From: gordon at mac-access.net (Gordon Smith) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2011 19:05:23 +0100 Subject: Winamp Query In-Reply-To: <4DA3405F.9030305@internode.on.net> References: <5D52833C-6AF1-4B0A-99ED-F76727787822@mac-access.net> <4DA3405F.9030305@internode.on.net> Message-ID: OK, thanks. I'll be starting from scratch though, as we have no Windows iTunes content set up because I haven't found out yet, (not that I've looked very hard so far) where you configure the location of the library in the Windows version of iTunes. On 11 Apr 2011, at 18:54, Dane Trethowan wrote: Yep it can and can even import right from Itunes libraries if you have your books there. From moore.c at blueyonder.co.uk Mon Apr 11 18:57:48 2011 From: moore.c at blueyonder.co.uk (Chris Moore) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2011 18:57:48 +0100 Subject: Griffin Technology Does It Again! In-Reply-To: References: <654D235A-ADBC-4AAD-A3C7-E78B32995468@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <0670C333-04F7-4AB2-8871-E3DF907591C5@blueyonder.co.uk> Well I guess it is cheaper than the Smart Cover from Apple, but that is an amazing piece of design with all its magnets. Lift it up and it turns the display on for the iPad and make it fold back on itself and it turns into a stand too, so I guess you are getting 2 things for the price of one which is totally portable too. On 11 Apr 2011, at 18:50, Gordon Smith wrote: > Different thing entirely, you're trying to compare two complete different products Chris. > > The aFrame is a stand, made of metal. We personally don't buy on what is "Sexy", as people call it. LOL. We buy on functionality grounds and the aFrame is excellent for what we need. > > Gordon > > On 11 Apr 2011, at 08:18, Chris Moore wrote: > > Nice, but is it as portable and as sexy as the new Apple Smart covers which also turn into a stand? They are fantastic. > _______________________________________________ > > The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free > > To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: > http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html > From gordon at mac-access.net Mon Apr 11 19:31:14 2011 From: gordon at mac-access.net (Gordon Smith) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2011 19:31:14 +0100 Subject: Griffin Technology Does It Again! In-Reply-To: <0670C333-04F7-4AB2-8871-E3DF907591C5@blueyonder.co.uk> References: <654D235A-ADBC-4AAD-A3C7-E78B32995468@mac-access.net> <0670C333-04F7-4AB2-8871-E3DF907591C5@blueyonder.co.uk> Message-ID: <02DE5082-3CD3-4A2D-BF51-CA9451691DAC@mac-access.net> Hi Chris I'm not disputing that the Apple SmartCover is, from what I read, an amazing device; don't get me wrong. I'm just saying that the aFrame offers an alternative solution for probably less money. It does us with the iPad, I have to confess. Maybe if we find a good enough reason to switch to the iPad II things might be different. :) Gordon On 11 Apr 2011, at 18:57, Chris Moore wrote: Well I guess it is cheaper than the Smart Cover from Apple, but that is an amazing piece of design with all its magnets. Lift it up and it turns the display on for the iPad and make it fold back on itself and it turns into a stand too, so I guess you are getting 2 things for the price of one which is totally portable too. On 11 Apr 2011, at 18:50, Gordon Smith wrote: > Different thing entirely, you're trying to compare two complete different products Chris. > > The aFrame is a stand, made of metal. We personally don't buy on what is "Sexy", as people call it. LOL. We buy on functionality grounds and the aFrame is excellent for what we need. > > Gordon > > On 11 Apr 2011, at 08:18, Chris Moore wrote: > > Nice, but is it as portable and as sexy as the new Apple Smart covers which also turn into a stand? They are fantastic. > _______________________________________________ > > The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free > > To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: > http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html > _______________________________________________ The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html From gordon at mac-access.net Mon Apr 11 19:38:20 2011 From: gordon at mac-access.net (Gordon Smith) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2011 19:38:20 +0100 Subject: Internet Broadcasting Message-ID: Hi all I'm taking a fresh gander at the world of Internet broadcasting. I do this for hospital radio but I'm look at my solutions. Currently i can't display the titles and metadata because I use a real-time studio setup. But I'm looking to re-entering the world of computerised stuff so that I can do a degree of automation. Being brutally honest, I can't find the type of thing I want on the Mac side of things. I'd hoped that Radio Logic as I think it's called might do that job; but I gather that accessibility is a problem. So, OK, if I have to go Windows, what are people, if anything, using nowadays? SPL is totally out of the question at that price. Almost 400 quid for the Pro version, that's just plain ridiculous and out of the question for me. I have my OTS DJ and SAM 4 licenses still, but is there anything better that doesn't require a bank raid? Winamps is a good player, but not a broadcaster. And, after all, it wasn't designed as a broadcaster software package so who can complain. Any other suggestions? Is there something new either Windows or Mac that i don't know about? Gordon From djden at thejazzden.org.uk Mon Apr 11 20:45:02 2011 From: djden at thejazzden.org.uk (Dennis Freedman) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2011 20:45:02 +0100 Subject: Internet Broadcasting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <50C34868-E117-4620-844C-98A50AB805EF@thejazzden.org.uk> Hi Gordon Well I recently set up my station again with OtsDJ and, while it feels very comfortable to use after so long, the web service side of things is I think pretty dated now, and very siple. Spacial Audio Solutions' SAM Broadcaster from spacialaudio.com is up to ver 4.7.4, and has very good web features, including realtime stats, song request, and much more. But the last time I tried this (an earlier version) there were some keyboar shortcuts missing which made it difficult to drive quickly in realtime. I would love to get up and running again, have played with DEJA abd NiceCast on the Mac but still feel I've not found the right thing for me. In my case it may be that I'm getting long in the tooth, but I too would love to hear views of others as to what they're using and on which platform. Dennis. On 11 Apr 2011, at 19:38, Gordon Smith wrote: > Hi all > > I'm taking a fresh gander at the world of Internet broadcasting. I do this for hospital radio but I'm look at my solutions. > > Currently i can't display the titles and metadata because I use a real-time studio setup. But I'm looking to re-entering the world of computerised stuff so that I can do a degree of automation. > > Being brutally honest, I can't find the type of thing I want on the Mac side of things. I'd hoped that Radio Logic as I think it's called might do that job; but I gather that accessibility is a problem. So, OK, if I have to go Windows, what are people, if anything, using nowadays? SPL is totally out of the question at that price. Almost 400 quid for the Pro version, that's just plain ridiculous and out of the question for me. I have my OTS DJ and SAM 4 licenses still, but is there anything better that doesn't require a bank raid? > > Winamps is a good player, but not a broadcaster. And, after all, it wasn't designed as a broadcaster software package so who can complain. Any other suggestions? Is there something new either Windows or Mac that i don't know about? > > Gordon > > _______________________________________________ > > The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free > > To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: > http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html > From grtdane at internode.on.net Mon Apr 11 21:15:27 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2011 06:15:27 +1000 Subject: Winamp Query In-Reply-To: References: <5D52833C-6AF1-4B0A-99ED-F76727787822@mac-access.net> <4DA3405F.9030305@internode.on.net> Message-ID: <7CED11B6-4617-453C-8B8D-3214C8BD9D8D@internode.on.net> Its there under preferences, I've seen it myself just recently having configured it but fear not, there's an "Import Itunes Library" button in Winamp. On 12/04/2011, at 4:05 AM, Gordon Smith wrote: > OK, thanks. I'll be starting from scratch though, as we have no Windows iTunes content set up because I haven't found out yet, (not that I've looked very hard so far) where you configure the location of the library in the Windows version of iTunes. > > On 11 Apr 2011, at 18:54, Dane Trethowan wrote: > > Yep it can and can even import right from Itunes libraries if you have your books there. > > > _______________________________________________ > > The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free > > To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: > http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html > From marrie12 at gmail.com Mon Apr 11 22:51:38 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2011 14:51:38 -0700 Subject: Internet Broadcasting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <582C1F9D-E72C-438F-AC8A-FA11567F9342@gmail.com> I know you don't liek spl but I use it and love it. I use ther edcast encoder and it streams meta data just fine. Ok it needs some work with nvda but it works wiht sa and jaws. I had a statioin going for about 48 hours straight once just using spl alone and edcast and a lot of patience lol. Sarah Alawami If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com website: http://music.marrie.org Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 On Apr 11, 2011, at 11:38 AM, Gordon Smith wrote: > Hi all > > I'm taking a fresh gander at the world of Internet broadcasting. I do this for hospital radio but I'm look at my solutions. > > Currently i can't display the titles and metadata because I use a real-time studio setup. But I'm looking to re-entering the world of computerised stuff so that I can do a degree of automation. > > Being brutally honest, I can't find the type of thing I want on the Mac side of things. I'd hoped that Radio Logic as I think it's called might do that job; but I gather that accessibility is a problem. So, OK, if I have to go Windows, what are people, if anything, using nowadays? SPL is totally out of the question at that price. Almost 400 quid for the Pro version, that's just plain ridiculous and out of the question for me. I have my OTS DJ and SAM 4 licenses still, but is there anything better that doesn't require a bank raid? > > Winamps is a good player, but not a broadcaster. And, after all, it wasn't designed as a broadcaster software package so who can complain. Any other suggestions? Is there something new either Windows or Mac that i don't know about? > > Gordon > > _______________________________________________ > > The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free > > To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: > http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html > From marrie12 at gmail.com Mon Apr 11 22:53:41 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2011 14:53:41 -0700 Subject: Dropbox authentication: insecure by design In-Reply-To: References: <01AE4B26-8C0D-46FF-B5A5-80C374F96BBC@gmail.com> <27EE253B-E73C-47A8-BCCB-417EE4F0E6D4@gmail.com> Message-ID: <14D8944A-A1B6-4DD0-9107-B2EE354A1B1B@gmail.com> Ah I use it for transfering everything but then agai my comptuer or in this case compuuters and network are as secure as fort nox so I'm not too worried. I still don't take risks though Sarah Alawami If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com website: http://music.marrie.org Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 On Apr 11, 2011, at 10:47 AM, Gordon Smith wrote: > The lack of secure encrypted transfers is also a problem Sarah. They are using completely unencrypted data channels on the HTTP mechanism which worries me, and always has. But sadly, some people seem to feel that, because they'are a big company and all that stuff, they must be doing things right. In actual fact there is a lot wrong with Drop Box, but people won't listen to me so I stopped telling them. We use it here, but not for sensitive data backups. > > Gordon > > On 11 Apr 2011, at 03:17, Sarah Alawami wrote: > > Yeah I thoguht they meant https and stuff I didn't thnk from the inside, that is the program workings lol! > > _______________________________________________ > > The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free > > To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: > http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html > From grtdane at internode.on.net Tue Apr 12 06:23:54 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2011 15:23:54 +1000 Subject: Miranda IM Chat Client Message-ID: <4DA3E1EA.8070500@internode.on.net> Hi! Meant to mention this to the list some time ago. After a multiple protocol chat lient for Windows then checkout Miranda at , works well with Window-Eyes as there are scripts for it, haven't tried it for accessibility with NVDA yet. Miranda - like a lot of good stuff these days - is open source software. From grtdane at internode.on.net Tue Apr 12 06:31:13 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2011 15:31:13 +1000 Subject: JAWS scripting, seeking comments Message-ID: <4DA3E3A1.1070806@internode.on.net> Hi! I'm seeking comment on the below from other list members. Was talking to a chap who shows people how to use computers and up until recently he was showing them how to use JAWS on their machines. He's now switched to NVDA as the Screen Reading software is freely available and - whilst he was able to get Government funding for his clients in most cases to buy JAWS? Well.. its just so much easier with NVDA, a lot less paperwork and mucking about References: <50C34868-E117-4620-844C-98A50AB805EF@thejazzden.org.uk> Message-ID: Hello Dennis This is Lynne; but I can answer this because I have been working with Gordon on this project. Some of his shows have been recorded shows which, I can assure you, goes against Gordon's tastes but due to his unpredictable health issues recently, it's been the only safe option as a backup for those times when he didn't feel up to doing a live show. It was better than letting them down totally. The problems with Sam4 is that they use what I am told are called "Non-Windows Controls" and which, therefore, screen-readers have trouble with. Apparently these non-Windows controls fall outside of the realm of accessibility and so there is little that the access companies can, (or will) do about them. To explain, and this is what I am being told. Visual C or variants of that is used to compile most Windows binaries. The control elements are apparently part of the interface specs and the way Spacial Audio is doing this falls outside of that spec because they use their own controls. Gordon isn't a programmer, but that is how he understands things. If anybody else can be more precise you're more than welcome. OTS DJ Pro Classic, as it is now named Dennis, is something we are going to consider; as we still have our old licenses and we still have our OTS music collection. In fact, it still seems that unless we can find a Mac-based solution that works, (Not the DJ3 solution which is not really suitable for a couple of reasons), we're restricted to Windows. The problems with the Mac side of it are that in order to not have the audio mixed with the VoiceOver output you'd have to use something like Audio Hijack Pro or SoundFlower in order to separate the two. As I say, DJ3 is not suitable because of the fact that, whilst it may be possible with some tinkering, it is difficult to include spots for jingles and station-specific material. It still remains a fact that of all the broadcast tools, OTS DJ Pro Classic, (get used to that name Dennis), has the best audio dynamics processor out of all of them. Nothing else comes close to the way it handles audio processing and I laugh when I hear people talking about iTunes plugins producing excellent audio. Nothing comes close to OTS, so we are going to install it even if we don't use it to broadcast. As for the web services Dennis, you're always complaining that you don't have the time for this sort of thing. So is it really so important? You haven't updated your JazzDen website in a million years, and it still talks about new broadband coming your way which was in June 2003. Come on, we could help you; if only you had the tine. The facilities are here for you to log into your website folder and add/remove/change content. So that's no excuse either. ;-) I'm just joking Dennis; but in all seriousness, Gordon and I are more than willing to help you, and anybody else for whom we host services in any way we can. We can provide additional email addresses, extra sub-domains, and so on. All you have to do is let us know. We are also working on a blog engine, so that you could have, for instance, blog.thejazzden.org.uk or whatever your domain happened to be. If you're interested, just get back to us privately. That goes for anybody we host for or anybody who is interested in hosting services from us. Lynne On 11 Apr 2011, at 20:45, Dennis Freedman wrote: Hi Gordon Well I recently set up my station again with OtsDJ and, while it feels very comfortable to use after so long, the web service side of things is I think pretty dated now, and very siple. Spacial Audio Solutions' SAM Broadcaster from spacialaudio.com is up to ver 4.7.4, and has very good web features, including realtime stats, song request, and much more. But the last time I tried this (an earlier version) there were some keyboar shortcuts missing which made it difficult to drive quickly in realtime. I would love to get up and running again, have played with DEJA abd NiceCast on the Mac but still feel I've not found the right thing for me. In my case it may be that I'm getting long in the tooth, but I too would love to hear views of others as to what they're using and on which platform. Dennis. On 11 Apr 2011, at 19:38, Gordon Smith wrote: > Hi all > > I'm taking a fresh gander at the world of Internet broadcasting. I do this for hospital radio but I'm look at my solutions. > > Currently i can't display the titles and metadata because I use a real-time studio setup. But I'm looking to re-entering the world of computerised stuff so that I can do a degree of automation. > > Being brutally honest, I can't find the type of thing I want on the Mac side of things. I'd hoped that Radio Logic as I think it's called might do that job; but I gather that accessibility is a problem. So, OK, if I have to go Windows, what are people, if anything, using nowadays? SPL is totally out of the question at that price. Almost 400 quid for the Pro version, that's just plain ridiculous and out of the question for me. I have my OTS DJ and SAM 4 licenses still, but is there anything better that doesn't require a bank raid? > > Winamps is a good player, but not a broadcaster. And, after all, it wasn't designed as a broadcaster software package so who can complain. Any other suggestions? Is there something new either Windows or Mac that i don't know about? > > Gordon > > _______________________________________________ > > The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free > > To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: > http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html > _______________________________________________ The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html From lynne at mac-access.net Tue Apr 12 13:29:12 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2011 13:29:12 +0100 Subject: Internet Broadcasting In-Reply-To: <582C1F9D-E72C-438F-AC8A-FA11567F9342@gmail.com> References: <582C1F9D-E72C-438F-AC8A-FA11567F9342@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hello Sarah The new SPL looks nice but at 400 bucks a license, no thanks! Lynne On 11 Apr 2011, at 22:51, Sarah Alawami wrote: I know you don't liek spl but I use it and love it. I use ther edcast encoder and it streams meta data just fine. Ok it needs some work with nvda but it works wiht sa and jaws. I had a statioin going for about 48 hours straight once just using spl alone and edcast and a lot of patience lol. Sarah Alawami If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com website: http://music.marrie.org Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 On Apr 11, 2011, at 11:38 AM, Gordon Smith wrote: > Hi all > > I'm taking a fresh gander at the world of Internet broadcasting. I do this for hospital radio but I'm look at my solutions. > > Currently i can't display the titles and metadata because I use a real-time studio setup. But I'm looking to re-entering the world of computerised stuff so that I can do a degree of automation. > > Being brutally honest, I can't find the type of thing I want on the Mac side of things. I'd hoped that Radio Logic as I think it's called might do that job; but I gather that accessibility is a problem. So, OK, if I have to go Windows, what are people, if anything, using nowadays? SPL is totally out of the question at that price. Almost 400 quid for the Pro version, that's just plain ridiculous and out of the question for me. I have my OTS DJ and SAM 4 licenses still, but is there anything better that doesn't require a bank raid? > > Winamps is a good player, but not a broadcaster. And, after all, it wasn't designed as a broadcaster software package so who can complain. Any other suggestions? Is there something new either Windows or Mac that i don't know about? > > Gordon > > _______________________________________________ > > The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free > > To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: > http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html > _______________________________________________ The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html From gordon at mac-access.net Tue Apr 12 13:43:18 2011 From: gordon at mac-access.net (Gordon Smith) Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2011 13:43:18 +0100 Subject: Network Security In-Reply-To: <14D8944A-A1B6-4DD0-9107-B2EE354A1B1B@gmail.com> References: <01AE4B26-8C0D-46FF-B5A5-80C374F96BBC@gmail.com> <27EE253B-E73C-47A8-BCCB-417EE4F0E6D4@gmail.com> <14D8944A-A1B6-4DD0-9107-B2EE354A1B1B@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Sarah That assumption in itself is very dangerous. And you say you use Drop Box to transfer everything. No disrespect, but you obviously don't quite understand the technologies. The fact that you're transferring to Drop Box using unsecured HTTP traffic negates the statement you just made. If you think your your system is totally secure, you're taking a hell of a lot for granted. But, of course, it's entirely down to individual choice. I wouldn't ever assume total security and this is true especially where Windows-based systems are concerned. The operating system itself has inherent flaws which, sadly, the average user simply isn't aware of. But if you watch the things that are transmitted by your Windows-based computers behind your back, so to speak, you would never again make that statement about your network being totally secure. Your call. If you don't believe me, have a hunt around the Gibson Research Corporation website, and take the time to listen to some of the old episodes of "Security Now", if they're still up there. They might cause you to think again about your network's security. Gordon On 11 Apr 2011, at 22:53, Sarah Alawami wrote: ? Ah I use it for transfering everything but then agai my comptuer or in this case compuuters and network are as secure as fort nox so I'm not too worried. I still don't take risks though From gordon at mac-access.net Tue Apr 12 13:49:32 2011 From: gordon at mac-access.net (Gordon Smith) Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2011 13:49:32 +0100 Subject: JAWS scripting, seeking comments In-Reply-To: <4DA3E3A1.1070806@internode.on.net> References: <4DA3E3A1.1070806@internode.on.net> Message-ID: <3BD78A5D-B420-447F-848D-F188863DC75E@mac-access.net> Hi Dane You're not telling us anything new. It's been common knowledge for years how heavily JFW relies on scripting. Window-Eyes uses, but does not rely on, scripting to make its apps accessible. I still haven't had time to try NVDA so I won't comment on what I haven't used. But yes, JFW is crippled without scripts for the majority of applications. Gordon On 12 Apr 2011, at 06:31, Dane Trethowan wrote: Hi! I'm seeking comment on the below from other list members. Was talking to a chap who shows people how to use computers and up until recently he was showing them how to use JAWS on their machines. He's now switched to NVDA as the Screen Reading software is freely available and - whilst he was able to get Government funding for his clients in most cases to buy JAWS? Well.. its just so much easier with NVDA, a lot less paperwork and mucking about References: <4DA3E3A1.1070806@internode.on.net> Message-ID: <30C69890-FC6A-4968-AB46-4B7B9CA4D040@softcon.com> Dane, I've been yelling for years about jaws and the fact that it's nothing more than a glorified scripting engine. If you removed *all* of the jaws scripts, the screen reader would be about as useful as a brick. Sure, it's nice that scripting is included, and it allows you to make things work that otherwise might not, but in my opinion, anything that relies strictly on scripts to get the job done is just plain useless. Window eyes doesn't use scripting for it's basic access, neither does nvda, and both of these screen readers work fairly well for what they were designed to do. The problem with scripting engines, is that if a problem arises that doesn't have a script function to handle it, you're out of luck. With built-in approaches, if something didn't work out of the box, you may be able to build a script to make it work, but if not, you've still got options, which certainly is not the case with script-based options. The problem being, the maker of the product would need to modify the product to support the missing/broken piece. On a regular screen reader, that's all there is to it. On a scripting based one, after that step is done, then there needs to be entirely new scripts written to make things work, and in some cases, you'll need entirely new scripts, even for things that already worked before, and now won't. There's advantages to both approaches, but in my opinion (as stated above) a glorified scripting engine is *not* a screen reader, it's just a scripting engine, nothing more. It then depends on the skills of the script writers to make things work, which basically leaves out the average user who has no scripting knowledge. I really think the folks at dolphin have the right idea. Build a complete and robust product, then allow scripting to enhance the product where necessary, but don't make it require scripting to do the simplest things. Alass, the only screen reader I have for windows is nvda and jaws (ran into all kinds of issues when trying to purchase window-eyes, so don't have that one), and unfortunately, I do not own a copy of dolphin, though I sure would love to. I do have dealer demos of all their products if anyone needs any, I had attempted to be a reseller for them, but here in Alabama, it's jaws or nothing, and the rehab folks refused even to talk to me about alternatives. Truly sad. From rose at chicksdigmacs.net Tue Apr 12 13:47:36 2011 From: rose at chicksdigmacs.net (Rose Morales) Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2011 08:47:36 -0400 Subject: Internet Broadcasting In-Reply-To: References: <582C1F9D-E72C-438F-AC8A-FA11567F9342@gmail.com> Message-ID: <7B0B483B-BE46-460F-84B2-92A1DA45FB72@chicksdigmacs.net> Gordon, Have you looked into Nicecast? I don't know much about it, but I have a group of mac-using friends who use it and love it. It only costs $40. Two friends I spoke to seemed to be under the impression that you needed to use ITunes to stream with it. What my friends are doing is using Audio Hijack Pro and Sound Flour. They send music to SOund FLour 2ch and Skype to 16ch. Teamtalk also goes to 2ch if also being used. No loopback with their setup. I have not tried Nicecast, but I have been able to successfully use Audio Hijack Pro and Sound Flour to bridge Skype and Teamtalk together as well as play music with no issues. You can get more info on Nicecast here. http://www.rogueamoeba.com/nicecast/ Hth, Rose On Apr 12, 2011, at 8:29 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hello Sarah > > The new SPL looks nice but at 400 bucks a license, no thanks! > > Lynne > > On 11 Apr 2011, at 22:51, Sarah Alawami wrote: > > I know you don't liek spl but I use it and love it. I use ther edcast encoder and it streams meta data just fine. Ok it needs some work with nvda but it works wiht sa and jaws. I had a statioin going for about 48 hours straight once just using spl alone and edcast and a lot of patience lol. > Sarah Alawami > > If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. > > MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com > > website: http://music.marrie.org > Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com > youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 > > On Apr 11, 2011, at 11:38 AM, Gordon Smith wrote: > >> Hi all >> >> I'm taking a fresh gander at the world of Internet broadcasting. I do this for hospital radio but I'm look at my solutions. >> >> Currently i can't display the titles and metadata because I use a real-time studio setup. But I'm looking to re-entering the world of computerised stuff so that I can do a degree of automation. >> >> Being brutally honest, I can't find the type of thing I want on the Mac side of things. I'd hoped that Radio Logic as I think it's called might do that job; but I gather that accessibility is a problem. So, OK, if I have to go Windows, what are people, if anything, using nowadays? SPL is totally out of the question at that price. Almost 400 quid for the Pro version, that's just plain ridiculous and out of the question for me. I have my OTS DJ and SAM 4 licenses still, but is there anything better that doesn't require a bank raid? >> >> Winamps is a good player, but not a broadcaster. And, after all, it wasn't designed as a broadcaster software package so who can complain. Any other suggestions? Is there something new either Windows or Mac that i don't know about? >> >> Gordon >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free >> >> To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: >> http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html >> > > _______________________________________________ > > The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free > > To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: > http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html > > > _______________________________________________ > > The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free > > To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: > http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html > From gordon at mac-access.net Tue Apr 12 15:09:33 2011 From: gordon at mac-access.net (Gordon Smith) Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2011 15:09:33 +0100 Subject: Internet Broadcasting In-Reply-To: <7B0B483B-BE46-460F-84B2-92A1DA45FB72@chicksdigmacs.net> References: <582C1F9D-E72C-438F-AC8A-FA11567F9342@gmail.com> <7B0B483B-BE46-460F-84B2-92A1DA45FB72@chicksdigmacs.net> Message-ID: <0F674EB5-C004-4535-8727-8929D8DBF2A9@mac-access.net> Hi Rose We already have a license for Nicecast actually but I don't think it will give us what we need. We need much more than just a player. We need something that will handle automation, scheduling and more which Nicecast doesn't do. But thanks for the suggestion. Gordon On 12 Apr 2011, at 13:47, Rose Morales wrote: Gordon, Have you looked into Nicecast? I don't know much about it, but I have a group of mac-using friends who use it and love it. It only costs $40. Two friends I spoke to seemed to be under the impression that you needed to use ITunes to stream with it. What my friends are doing is using Audio Hijack Pro and Sound Flour. They send music to SOund FLour 2ch and Skype to 16ch. Teamtalk also goes to 2ch if also being used. No loopback with their setup. I have not tried Nicecast, but I have been able to successfully use Audio Hijack Pro and Sound Flour to bridge Skype and Teamtalk together as well as play music with no issues. You can get more info on Nicecast here. http://www.rogueamoeba.com/nicecast/ Hth, Rose On Apr 12, 2011, at 8:29 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hello Sarah > > The new SPL looks nice but at 400 bucks a license, no thanks! > > Lynne > > On 11 Apr 2011, at 22:51, Sarah Alawami wrote: > > I know you don't liek spl but I use it and love it. I use ther edcast encoder and it streams meta data just fine. Ok it needs some work with nvda but it works wiht sa and jaws. I had a statioin going for about 48 hours straight once just using spl alone and edcast and a lot of patience lol. > Sarah Alawami > > If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. > > MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com > > website: http://music.marrie.org > Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com > youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 > > On Apr 11, 2011, at 11:38 AM, Gordon Smith wrote: > >> Hi all >> >> I'm taking a fresh gander at the world of Internet broadcasting. I do this for hospital radio but I'm look at my solutions. >> >> Currently i can't display the titles and metadata because I use a real-time studio setup. But I'm looking to re-entering the world of computerised stuff so that I can do a degree of automation. >> >> Being brutally honest, I can't find the type of thing I want on the Mac side of things. I'd hoped that Radio Logic as I think it's called might do that job; but I gather that accessibility is a problem. So, OK, if I have to go Windows, what are people, if anything, using nowadays? SPL is totally out of the question at that price. Almost 400 quid for the Pro version, that's just plain ridiculous and out of the question for me. I have my OTS DJ and SAM 4 licenses still, but is there anything better that doesn't require a bank raid? >> >> Winamps is a good player, but not a broadcaster. And, after all, it wasn't designed as a broadcaster software package so who can complain. Any other suggestions? Is there something new either Windows or Mac that i don't know about? >> >> Gordon >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free >> >> To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: >> http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html >> > > _______________________________________________ > > The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free > > To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: > http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html > > > _______________________________________________ > > The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free > > To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: > http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html > _______________________________________________ The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html From grtdane at internode.on.net Tue Apr 12 15:41:22 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2011 00:41:22 +1000 Subject: JAWS scripting, seeking comments In-Reply-To: <30C69890-FC6A-4968-AB46-4B7B9CA4D040@softcon.com> References: <4DA3E3A1.1070806@internode.on.net> <30C69890-FC6A-4968-AB46-4B7B9CA4D040@softcon.com> Message-ID: <4DA46492.4080503@internode.on.net> Yep thanks for that and your comments are pretty much of a reflection of what I'm being told. I don't want to repeat myself again but I will anyway , NVDA given its a free package does - in some areas - run rings around JAWS and other Screen Readers, I've just had another example put up on my Twitter by someone, apparently JAWS 12 has trouble reading transfer percentages, all you get is "File bransferring" so that's nice and helpful, ah well time to rewrite the JAWS scripts again I suppose . I haven't tried Dolphin though I'd like to give it a go if I could get rid of that nasty software engine they use, its about the worst I've heard. Another approach is for applications to be designed with accessibility built-in thus bypassing the Screen Reader framework entirely, examples of such applications are of course Qwitter - a Windows Twittter client - and Skype Talking - an add-on for Skype which tells you what Skype's up to, allows you to chat, navigate your contacts and perform just about every function in Skype you can think of as well as alerting you to status messages - no scripts . On 12/04/2011 11:36 PM, Travis Siegel wrote: > Dane, I've been yelling for years about jaws and the fact that it's > nothing more than a glorified scripting engine. > If you removed *all* of the jaws scripts, the screen reader would be > about as useful as a brick. > Sure, it's nice that scripting is included, and it allows you to make > things work that otherwise might not, but in my opinion, anything that > relies strictly on scripts to get the job done is just plain useless. > Window eyes doesn't use scripting for it's basic access, neither does > nvda, and both of these screen readers work fairly well for what they > were designed to do. > The problem with scripting engines, is that if a problem arises that > doesn't have a script function to handle it, you're out of luck. > With built-in approaches, if something didn't work out of the box, you > may be able to build a script to make it work, but if not, you've > still got options, which certainly is not the case with script-based > options. The problem being, the maker of the product would need to > modify the product to support the missing/broken piece. On a regular > screen reader, that's all there is to it. > On a scripting based one, after that step is done, then there needs to > be entirely new scripts written to make things work, and in some > cases, you'll need entirely new scripts, even for things that already > worked before, and now won't. > There's advantages to both approaches, but in my opinion (as stated > above) a glorified scripting engine is *not* a screen reader, it's > just a scripting engine, nothing more. > It then depends on the skills of the script writers to make things > work, which basically leaves out the average user who has no scripting > knowledge. > I really think the folks at dolphin have the right idea. Build a > complete and robust product, then allow scripting to enhance the > product where necessary, but don't make it require scripting to do the > simplest things. > Alass, the only screen reader I have for windows is nvda and jaws (ran > into all kinds of issues when trying to purchase window-eyes, so don't > have that one), and unfortunately, I do not own a copy of dolphin, > though I sure would love to. > I do have dealer demos of all their products if anyone needs any, I > had attempted to be a reseller for them, but here in Alabama, it's > jaws or nothing, and the rehab folks refused even to talk to me about > alternatives. Truly sad. > > _______________________________________________ > > The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, > virus and worm-free > > To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's > dedicated web pages located at > http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat > group since the 12th of April 2010, at: > http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html > From martin at x.it.okstate.edu Tue Apr 12 20:10:00 2011 From: martin at x.it.okstate.edu (Martin McCormick) Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2011 14:10:00 -0500 Subject: Internet Broadcasting Message-ID: <201104121910.p3CJA0hw024521@x.it.okstate.edu> Out of curiosity, I googled for unix internet radio broadcasting and found a wikipedia article listing audio software for broadcasting, DJ work, etc. Some of this is free. Some may be rubbish, but there may also be some gems in there. Unix is generally very good at network connectivity and has cron and at for scheduling automation as well as many time-related library routines for software developers to use within programs. All I am saying here is that Linux might have something you can use and if so, it should be very solid for the same reasons that Macs are solid. I use Linux a lot at home and work and it is like the proverbial Timex wristwatch in that it takes a lickin' and keeps on tickin'. At least that is true most of the time. If the Linux system is overtaxed by having to support too many applications at once or the hardware is buggy, it does what any self-respecting computer does under those conditions and begins to act up by slowing down, shedding at jobs and generally becoming flaky. If the system is healthy, though, I have seen Linux systems stay up for well over a year. I just checked one system we have running ubuntu Linux that we use for several automation jobs regarding serial communications logging and scripting and it said: 13:50:34 up 754 days, 12:38, 1 user, load average: 0.01, 0.00, 0.00 Those numbers at the end are best between 0 and 1 but they can go as high as 6 or 7 but things start to go down hill above that. You would probably want to do your actual broadcast production on one Linux box and feed the stream to a server which has the capacity to support many streams. I have seen what audio does on a busy system and it is not pretty at all. I have a system that plays music fabulously but if you happen to do a big disk operation while playing or recording audio, it has the sound effect of a tape being prevented from moving properly. If you were recording, that effect permanently damages the recorded sound. You can see how busy your Mac is by calling up the terminal and then running the uptime command Anyway, you might want to see if Linux has anything you could use as the amount of free software that is high quality is high and the operating system is generally rock stable. If there is commercial Unix software you want to buy for broadcasting, it should be reliable if you run it on the platform the vendor recommends. Martin Gordon Smith writes: > give us what we need. We need much more than just a player. We need > something that will handle automation, scheduling and more which Nicecast > doesn't do. From marrie12 at gmail.com Tue Apr 12 20:43:09 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2011 12:43:09 -0700 Subject: Internet Broadcasting In-Reply-To: References: <582C1F9D-E72C-438F-AC8A-FA11567F9342@gmail.com> Message-ID: <272702D0-8D74-4771-9959-82BE9532381B@gmail.com> Huh? Oh no you want standard. that only caust 75 euros. Take care. Sarah Alawami If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com website: http://music.marrie.org Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 On Apr 12, 2011, at 5:29 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hello Sarah > > The new SPL looks nice but at 400 bucks a license, no thanks! > > Lynne > > On 11 Apr 2011, at 22:51, Sarah Alawami wrote: > > I know you don't liek spl but I use it and love it. I use ther edcast encoder and it streams meta data just fine. Ok it needs some work with nvda but it works wiht sa and jaws. I had a statioin going for about 48 hours straight once just using spl alone and edcast and a lot of patience lol. > Sarah Alawami > > If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. > > MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com > > website: http://music.marrie.org > Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com > youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 > > On Apr 11, 2011, at 11:38 AM, Gordon Smith wrote: > >> Hi all >> >> I'm taking a fresh gander at the world of Internet broadcasting. I do this for hospital radio but I'm look at my solutions. >> >> Currently i can't display the titles and metadata because I use a real-time studio setup. But I'm looking to re-entering the world of computerised stuff so that I can do a degree of automation. >> >> Being brutally honest, I can't find the type of thing I want on the Mac side of things. I'd hoped that Radio Logic as I think it's called might do that job; but I gather that accessibility is a problem. So, OK, if I have to go Windows, what are people, if anything, using nowadays? SPL is totally out of the question at that price. Almost 400 quid for the Pro version, that's just plain ridiculous and out of the question for me. I have my OTS DJ and SAM 4 licenses still, but is there anything better that doesn't require a bank raid? >> >> Winamps is a good player, but not a broadcaster. And, after all, it wasn't designed as a broadcaster software package so who can complain. Any other suggestions? Is there something new either Windows or Mac that i don't know about? >> >> Gordon >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free >> >> To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: >> http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html >> > > _______________________________________________ > > The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free > > To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: > http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html > > > _______________________________________________ > > The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free > > To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: > http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html > From marrie12 at gmail.com Tue Apr 12 20:43:43 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2011 12:43:43 -0700 Subject: Internet Broadcasting In-Reply-To: <7B0B483B-BE46-460F-84B2-92A1DA45FB72@chicksdigmacs.net> References: <582C1F9D-E72C-438F-AC8A-FA11567F9342@gmail.com> <7B0B483B-BE46-460F-84B2-92A1DA45FB72@chicksdigmacs.net> Message-ID: <8CDFC740-E42F-45C6-80D9-4274BB68AFD9@gmail.com> Actually you can use garage band and sound flower to do what you can wiht audio hijack. trust me I do this or have been dongthis for a while now but tha'ts for another list. Sarah Alawami If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com website: http://music.marrie.org Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 On Apr 12, 2011, at 5:47 AM, Rose Morales wrote: > Gordon, > Have you looked into Nicecast? I don't know much about it, but I have a group of mac-using friends who use it and love it. It only costs $40. Two friends I spoke to seemed to be under the impression that you needed to use ITunes to stream with it. What my friends are doing is using Audio Hijack Pro and Sound Flour. They send music to SOund FLour 2ch and Skype to 16ch. Teamtalk also goes to 2ch if also being used. No loopback with their setup. I have not tried Nicecast, but I have been able to successfully use Audio Hijack Pro and Sound Flour to bridge Skype and Teamtalk together as well as play music with no issues. You can get more info on Nicecast here. > http://www.rogueamoeba.com/nicecast/ > > Hth, > Rose > > On Apr 12, 2011, at 8:29 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > >> Hello Sarah >> >> The new SPL looks nice but at 400 bucks a license, no thanks! >> >> Lynne >> >> On 11 Apr 2011, at 22:51, Sarah Alawami wrote: >> >> I know you don't liek spl but I use it and love it. I use ther edcast encoder and it streams meta data just fine. Ok it needs some work with nvda but it works wiht sa and jaws. I had a statioin going for about 48 hours straight once just using spl alone and edcast and a lot of patience lol. >> Sarah Alawami >> >> If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. >> >> MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com >> >> website: http://music.marrie.org >> Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com >> youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 >> >> On Apr 11, 2011, at 11:38 AM, Gordon Smith wrote: >> >>> Hi all >>> >>> I'm taking a fresh gander at the world of Internet broadcasting. I do this for hospital radio but I'm look at my solutions. >>> >>> Currently i can't display the titles and metadata because I use a real-time studio setup. But I'm looking to re-entering the world of computerised stuff so that I can do a degree of automation. >>> >>> Being brutally honest, I can't find the type of thing I want on the Mac side of things. I'd hoped that Radio Logic as I think it's called might do that job; but I gather that accessibility is a problem. So, OK, if I have to go Windows, what are people, if anything, using nowadays? SPL is totally out of the question at that price. Almost 400 quid for the Pro version, that's just plain ridiculous and out of the question for me. I have my OTS DJ and SAM 4 licenses still, but is there anything better that doesn't require a bank raid? >>> >>> Winamps is a good player, but not a broadcaster. And, after all, it wasn't designed as a broadcaster software package so who can complain. Any other suggestions? Is there something new either Windows or Mac that i don't know about? >>> >>> Gordon >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free >>> >>> To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: >>> http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free >> >> To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: >> http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free >> >> To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: >> http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html >> > > _______________________________________________ > > The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free > > To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: > http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html > From marrie12 at gmail.com Tue Apr 12 20:44:03 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2011 12:44:03 -0700 Subject: Internet Broadcasting In-Reply-To: <0F674EB5-C004-4535-8727-8929D8DBF2A9@mac-access.net> References: <582C1F9D-E72C-438F-AC8A-FA11567F9342@gmail.com> <7B0B483B-BE46-460F-84B2-92A1DA45FB72@chicksdigmacs.net> <0F674EB5-C004-4535-8727-8929D8DBF2A9@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <3C341351-863A-430C-B7DA-F428F2467B42@gmail.com> Ther'es dj but tha'ts not accessibil for the other platform. Take care. Sarah Alawami If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com website: http://music.marrie.org Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 On Apr 12, 2011, at 7:09 AM, Gordon Smith wrote: > Hi Rose > > We already have a license for Nicecast actually but I don't think it will give us what we need. We need much more than just a player. We need something that will handle automation, scheduling and more which Nicecast doesn't do. > > But thanks for the suggestion. > > Gordon > > > On 12 Apr 2011, at 13:47, Rose Morales wrote: > > Gordon, > Have you looked into Nicecast? I don't know much about it, but I have a group of mac-using friends who use it and love it. It only costs $40. Two friends I spoke to seemed to be under the impression that you needed to use ITunes to stream with it. What my friends are doing is using Audio Hijack Pro and Sound Flour. They send music to SOund FLour 2ch and Skype to 16ch. Teamtalk also goes to 2ch if also being used. No loopback with their setup. I have not tried Nicecast, but I have been able to successfully use Audio Hijack Pro and Sound Flour to bridge Skype and Teamtalk together as well as play music with no issues. You can get more info on Nicecast here. > http://www.rogueamoeba.com/nicecast/ > > Hth, > Rose > > On Apr 12, 2011, at 8:29 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > >> Hello Sarah >> >> The new SPL looks nice but at 400 bucks a license, no thanks! >> >> Lynne >> >> On 11 Apr 2011, at 22:51, Sarah Alawami wrote: >> >> I know you don't liek spl but I use it and love it. I use ther edcast encoder and it streams meta data just fine. Ok it needs some work with nvda but it works wiht sa and jaws. I had a statioin going for about 48 hours straight once just using spl alone and edcast and a lot of patience lol. >> Sarah Alawami >> >> If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. >> >> MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com >> >> website: http://music.marrie.org >> Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com >> youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 >> >> On Apr 11, 2011, at 11:38 AM, Gordon Smith wrote: >> >>> Hi all >>> >>> I'm taking a fresh gander at the world of Internet broadcasting. I do this for hospital radio but I'm look at my solutions. >>> >>> Currently i can't display the titles and metadata because I use a real-time studio setup. But I'm looking to re-entering the world of computerised stuff so that I can do a degree of automation. >>> >>> Being brutally honest, I can't find the type of thing I want on the Mac side of things. I'd hoped that Radio Logic as I think it's called might do that job; but I gather that accessibility is a problem. So, OK, if I have to go Windows, what are people, if anything, using nowadays? SPL is totally out of the question at that price. Almost 400 quid for the Pro version, that's just plain ridiculous and out of the question for me. I have my OTS DJ and SAM 4 licenses still, but is there anything better that doesn't require a bank raid? >>> >>> Winamps is a good player, but not a broadcaster. And, after all, it wasn't designed as a broadcaster software package so who can complain. Any other suggestions? Is there something new either Windows or Mac that i don't know about? >>> >>> Gordon >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free >>> >>> To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: >>> http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free >> >> To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: >> http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free >> >> To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: >> http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html >> > > _______________________________________________ > > The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free > > To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: > http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html > > > _______________________________________________ > > The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free > > To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: > http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html > From martin at x.it.okstate.edu Tue Apr 12 20:50:13 2011 From: martin at x.it.okstate.edu (Martin McCormick) Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2011 14:50:13 -0500 Subject: Network Security Message-ID: <201104121950.p3CJoDMN024732@x.it.okstate.edu> I totally agree. Add to that unencrypted WiFi which is what you get if you don't turn on security on your WiFi access points, and it is no wonder that bad guys and girls can steal confidential information. Mac's and other Unix-based systems use modules that really have a very long history backing them up since Unix has been around since 1968 although the Unix we use today is a fortress compared with the original design. Many of the security features found in Unix-based systems came about the hard way when somebody discovered that, hey!, I can feed 32,000 characters of junk in to, let's say, the name field of an Email message and the Email program croaks and let's me become root on that system. That's called a buffer overflow attack. Other attacks include certain timing issues called race conditions in which you can trash a system by hitting it with certain types of data in a certain sequence. It is relatively difficult on Unix-based systems these days to do most of these types of attacks, but it still happens. Unix systems usually fall victim to laziness on the part of the operators such as weak passwords or careless handling of files. These are things you can prevent from happening, yourself, by just being smart about what you do. Windows systems can be cracked by that same laziness, but there is also weakness built in to the operating system that you can't even see but may allow a clever person to put up a web page or slip a little something in to an Email that will drop a payload in to your system and turn it in to a spam bot or key-stroke grabber so the Mob can get your credit card number or anything else you happened to type. If you can use firefox instead of I.E, on your Windows system, you do plug some of the holes, but the engine that processes mime data in Internet Explorer is still called by Outlook when you read mail and that is repeatedly an 8-lane highway right in to your system. Martin Gordon Smith writes: > Hi Sarah > > That assumption in itself is very dangerous. And you say you use Drop > Box to transfer everything. No disrespect, but you obviously don't quite > understand the technologies. The fact that you're transferring to Drop > Box using unsecured HTTP traffic negates the statement you just made. > > If you think your your system is totally secure, you're taking a hell of > a lot for granted. But, of course, it's entirely down to individual > choice. I wouldn't ever assume total security and this is true > especially where Windows-based systems are concerned. The operating > system itself has inherent flaws which, sadly, the average user simply > isn't aware of. But if you watch the things that are transmitted by your > Windows-based computers behind your back, so to speak, you would never > again make that statement about your network being totally secure. Your > call. From marrie12 at gmail.com Tue Apr 12 21:40:42 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2011 13:40:42 -0700 Subject: Researcher: Police increasingly peeping at e-mail, IMs Message-ID: <1911DCA1-312F-42CE-9AD1-EFA760D18CF6@gmail.com> Law enforcement organizations are making tens of thousands of requests for private electronic information from companies such as Sprint, Facebook and AOL, but few detailed statistics are available, according to a privacy researcher. http://bit.ly/fBplZ0 From grtdane at internode.on.net Tue Apr 12 21:40:48 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2011 06:40:48 +1000 Subject: Network Security In-Reply-To: <201104121950.p3CJoDMN024732@x.it.okstate.edu> References: <201104121950.p3CJoDMN024732@x.it.okstate.edu> Message-ID: Pardon me, did I hear right? Am i given to understand that people are actively using wireless networks without security? Well I'm not one to tell people what they should and shouldn't do and I'm no tech genius but what I can tell anyone who doesn't take security seriously is that you're heading for big trouble. Unfortunately too many people just don't take security of their network seriously and I don't know how many times I've seen examples of this. All one has to do to find examples is take one's Iphone around with them with wi-fi enabled and try to join some of the networks you pass on your travels. I remember not long ago on my way back from my Mum's in New South Whales, we stopped outside a police station on the way back as a garage was nearby and we needed petrol, I was able to get access to a network which was clearly defined, meaning it had a name and I wasn't even challenged by a password, bet any criminals around that area would have been having a great laugh. The other interesting thing I've found is the passwords people use, often you can for instance easily guess the password of someone's computer just by knowing their children's name and why people use such passwords I just don't know. On 13/04/2011, at 5:50 AM, Martin McCormick wrote: > I totally agree. Add to that unencrypted WiFi which is what you > get if you don't turn on security on your WiFi access points, > and it is no wonder that bad guys and girls can steal > confidential information. > > Mac's and other Unix-based systems use modules that > really have a very long history backing them up since Unix has > been around since 1968 although the Unix we use today is a > fortress compared with the original design. Many of the security > features found in Unix-based systems came about the hard way > when somebody discovered that, hey!, I can feed 32,000 > characters of junk in to, let's say, the name field of an Email > message and the Email program croaks and let's me become root on > that system. That's called a buffer overflow attack. > > Other attacks include certain timing issues called race > conditions in which you can trash a system by hitting it with > certain types of data in a certain sequence. > > It is relatively difficult on Unix-based systems these > days to do most of these types of attacks, but it still happens. > > Unix systems usually fall victim to laziness on the part > of the operators such as weak passwords or careless handling of > files. These are things you can prevent from happening, > yourself, by just being smart about what you do. > > Windows systems can be cracked by that same laziness, > but there is also weakness built in to the operating system that > you can't even see but may allow a clever person to put up a web > page or slip a little something in to an Email that will drop a > payload in to your system and turn it in to a spam bot or > key-stroke grabber so the Mob can get your credit card number or > anything else you happened to type. > > If you can use firefox instead of I.E, on your Windows > system, you do plug some of the holes, but the engine that > processes mime data in Internet Explorer is still called by > Outlook when you read mail and that is repeatedly an 8-lane > highway right in to your system. > > Martin > > Gordon Smith writes: >> Hi Sarah >> >> That assumption in itself is very dangerous. And you say you use Drop >> Box to transfer everything. No disrespect, but you obviously don't quite >> understand the technologies. The fact that you're transferring to Drop >> Box using unsecured HTTP traffic negates the statement you just made. >> >> If you think your your system is totally secure, you're taking a hell of >> a lot for granted. But, of course, it's entirely down to individual >> choice. I wouldn't ever assume total security and this is true >> especially where Windows-based systems are concerned. The operating >> system itself has inherent flaws which, sadly, the average user simply >> isn't aware of. But if you watch the things that are transmitted by your >> Windows-based computers behind your back, so to speak, you would never >> again make that statement about your network being totally secure. Your >> call. > _______________________________________________ > > The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free > > To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: > http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html > From marrie12 at gmail.com Tue Apr 12 21:50:19 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2011 13:50:19 -0700 Subject: upgrading windows 7 Message-ID: <62469791-A927-4F19-A936-6781D824995B@gmail.com> Hello I installed windows 7 from my cd after I did the bootcamp thing but when I went to upgrade as that's what my key is for only it gave me an error. I googled the error which was something like windows was unable to create an install directory and found I need to uninstall bootcamp before the install. I did this but will I ned sighted hep to upgrade this? Take care. Sarah Alawami If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com website: http://music.marrie.org Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 From djden at thejazzden.org.uk Tue Apr 12 23:05:46 2011 From: djden at thejazzden.org.uk (Dennis Freedman) Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2011 23:05:46 +0100 Subject: Internet Broadcasting In-Reply-To: References: <50C34868-E117-4620-844C-98A50AB805EF@thejazzden.org.uk> Message-ID: <2CBF1ACC-0F18-4C97-BD88-EA67F4A6C0E4@thejazzden.org.uk> Hi Lynne and Gordon All points taken about Sam Broadcaster's non-standard controls. It just seems a pity that with ITunes and nice little remote apps for use with the IPhone/IPad there's not a way of using the Mac. Linux would be nice as it's stable as Marvin says, but why have two or three different libraries for different aps in various formats when you can use such things as home sharing. Ah well, we shall see. As to my own website, you must have a cache of it still as we took it down a year or so ago as I wasn't running it. But while I've been convalescing I've got pleasure from tinkering with the old radio station and, to be honest, just enjoying putting playlists together and enjoying the music. And it won't be that long before I retire so will need something to do. :) On 12 Apr 2011, at 13:27, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hello Dennis > > This is Lynne; but I can answer this because I have been working with Gordon on this project. Some of his shows have been recorded shows which, I can assure you, goes against Gordon's tastes but due to his unpredictable health issues recently, it's been the only safe option as a backup for those times when he didn't feel up to doing a live show. It was better than letting them down totally. > > The problems with Sam4 is that they use what I am told are called "Non-Windows Controls" and which, therefore, screen-readers have trouble with. Apparently these non-Windows controls fall outside of the realm of accessibility and so there is little that the access companies can, (or will) do about them. > > To explain, and this is what I am being told. Visual C or variants of that is used to compile most Windows binaries. The control elements are apparently part of the interface specs and the way Spacial Audio is doing this falls outside of that spec because they use their own controls. > > Gordon isn't a programmer, but that is how he understands things. If anybody else can be more precise you're more than welcome. > > OTS DJ Pro Classic, as it is now named Dennis, is something we are going to consider; as we still have our old licenses and we still have our OTS music collection. In fact, it still seems that unless we can find a Mac-based solution that works, (Not the DJ3 solution which is not really suitable for a couple of reasons), we're restricted to Windows. > > The problems with the Mac side of it are that in order to not have the audio mixed with the VoiceOver output you'd have to use something like Audio Hijack Pro or SoundFlower in order to separate the two. As I say, DJ3 is not suitable because of the fact that, whilst it may be possible with some tinkering, it is difficult to include spots for jingles and station-specific material. > > It still remains a fact that of all the broadcast tools, OTS DJ Pro Classic, (get used to that name Dennis), has the best audio dynamics processor out of all of them. Nothing else comes close to the way it handles audio processing and I laugh when I hear people talking about iTunes plugins producing excellent audio. Nothing comes close to OTS, so we are going to install it even if we don't use it to broadcast. > > As for the web services Dennis, you're always complaining that you don't have the time for this sort of thing. So is it really so important? You haven't updated your JazzDen website in a million years, and it still talks about new broadband coming your way which was in June 2003. > > Come on, we could help you; if only you had the tine. The facilities are here for you to log into your website folder and add/remove/change content. So that's no excuse either. ;-) > > I'm just joking Dennis; but in all seriousness, Gordon and I are more than willing to help you, and anybody else for whom we host services in any way we can. We can provide additional email addresses, extra sub-domains, and so on. All you have to do is let us know. We are also working on a blog engine, so that you could have, for instance, blog.thejazzden.org.uk or whatever your domain happened to be. > > If you're interested, just get back to us privately. That goes for anybody we host for or anybody who is interested in hosting services from us. > > Lynne > > On 11 Apr 2011, at 20:45, Dennis Freedman wrote: > > Hi Gordon > Well I recently set up my station again with OtsDJ and, while it feels very comfortable to use after so long, the web service side of things is I think pretty dated now, and very siple. Spacial Audio Solutions' SAM Broadcaster from spacialaudio.com is up to ver 4.7.4, and has very good web features, including realtime stats, song request, and much more. But the last time I tried this (an earlier version) there were some keyboar shortcuts missing which made it difficult to drive quickly in realtime. I would love to get up and running again, have played with DEJA abd NiceCast on the Mac but still feel I've not found the right thing for me. In my case it may be that I'm getting long in the tooth, but I too would love to hear views of others as to what they're using and on which platform. > Dennis. > > On 11 Apr 2011, at 19:38, Gordon Smith wrote: > >> Hi all >> >> I'm taking a fresh gander at the world of Internet broadcasting. I do this for hospital radio but I'm look at my solutions. >> >> Currently i can't display the titles and metadata because I use a real-time studio setup. But I'm looking to re-entering the world of computerised stuff so that I can do a degree of automation. >> >> Being brutally honest, I can't find the type of thing I want on the Mac side of things. I'd hoped that Radio Logic as I think it's called might do that job; but I gather that accessibility is a problem. So, OK, if I have to go Windows, what are people, if anything, using nowadays? SPL is totally out of the question at that price. Almost 400 quid for the Pro version, that's just plain ridiculous and out of the question for me. I have my OTS DJ and SAM 4 licenses still, but is there anything better that doesn't require a bank raid? >> >> Winamps is a good player, but not a broadcaster. And, after all, it wasn't designed as a broadcaster software package so who can complain. Any other suggestions? Is there something new either Windows or Mac that i don't know about? >> >> Gordon >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free >> >> To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: >> http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html >> > > _______________________________________________ > > The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free > > To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: > http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html > > > _______________________________________________ > > The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free > > To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: > http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html > From grtdane at internode.on.net Wed Apr 13 01:48:39 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2011 10:48:39 +1000 Subject: Griffin Technology Does It Again! In-Reply-To: <654D235A-ADBC-4AAD-A3C7-E78B32995468@mac-access.net> References: <654D235A-ADBC-4AAD-A3C7-E78B32995468@mac-access.net> Message-ID: Yep, Gfiffin come out with some good products, one of my favourites from them is something entirely different, the Radio Shark. In short its a USB radio - the one I got is Am/fm - and the great thing about it is that it automatically integrates with Audio Hijack Pro and similar products so no more needing to have extra radio sets around to plug into a line in on your Apple or sound card to record a radio broadcast. On 11/04/2011, at 10:34 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hello all > > For almost the entire time that Gordon and I have owned our iPad, we have been using a couple of "aFrames" which are Aluminium stands for the iPad which allow you to have the iPad either standing up, or laid down on an angle beautifully raised at the back for typing. Well, it seems Griffin has now modified the design of the fantastic "aFrame", and make it suitable for the iPad II. If anybody on list has either the origianl iPad, or the brand new iPad II, you're stark raving bonkers, mad, barmy, out of your mind, demented, insane, (or is it me who is insane)? But you're crazy anyway if you haven't got one of these little beauties. > > The aFrame is a rugged sturdy aluminium stand, as I said, which folds on a hinge. The cradle of the stand is rubber padded to protect your iPad which fits snugly into the stand whether it's standing up with the legs of the stand fully apart, or whether it's laid down forming a cradle with the iPad positioned just right for typing. You can stand the iPad in either landscape or portrait mode, and it allows you easy access to all connectors and controls. It even allows you to keep the iPads in one of many types of cases so that you get the extra protection. > > In short, a wonderful product well worth the money. Cost us about ?29 GBP but it's something we have never ever regretted buying. > > Lynne > > _______________________________________________ > > The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free > > To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: > http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html > From marrie12 at gmail.com Wed Apr 13 07:05:40 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2011 23:05:40 -0700 Subject: Griffin Technology Does It Again! In-Reply-To: References: <654D235A-ADBC-4AAD-A3C7-E78B32995468@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <999D1093-0477-46F2-9A4E-0AA9253560F7@gmail.com> Is that the company that makes the imic? if so I live that piece of kit and use it on every machine that I have. Take care. Sarah Alawami If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com website: http://music.marrie.org Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 On Apr 12, 2011, at 5:48 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote: > Yep, Gfiffin come out with some good products, one of my favourites from them is something entirely different, the Radio Shark. > > In short its a USB radio - the one I got is Am/fm - and the great thing about it is that it automatically integrates with Audio Hijack Pro and similar products so no more needing to have extra radio sets around to plug into a line in on your Apple or sound card to record a radio broadcast. > > > On 11/04/2011, at 10:34 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > >> Hello all >> >> For almost the entire time that Gordon and I have owned our iPad, we have been using a couple of "aFrames" which are Aluminium stands for the iPad which allow you to have the iPad either standing up, or laid down on an angle beautifully raised at the back for typing. Well, it seems Griffin has now modified the design of the fantastic "aFrame", and make it suitable for the iPad II. If anybody on list has either the origianl iPad, or the brand new iPad II, you're stark raving bonkers, mad, barmy, out of your mind, demented, insane, (or is it me who is insane)? But you're crazy anyway if you haven't got one of these little beauties. >> >> The aFrame is a rugged sturdy aluminium stand, as I said, which folds on a hinge. The cradle of the stand is rubber padded to protect your iPad which fits snugly into the stand whether it's standing up with the legs of the stand fully apart, or whether it's laid down forming a cradle with the iPad positioned just right for typing. You can stand the iPad in either landscape or portrait mode, and it allows you easy access to all connectors and controls. It even allows you to keep the iPads in one of many types of cases so that you get the extra protection. >> >> In short, a wonderful product well worth the money. Cost us about ?29 GBP but it's something we have never ever regretted buying. >> >> Lynne >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free >> >> To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: >> http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html >> > > _______________________________________________ > > The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free > > To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: > http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html > From lynne at mac-access.net Wed Apr 13 14:30:33 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2011 14:30:33 +0100 Subject: Internet Broadcasting In-Reply-To: <201104121910.p3CJA0hw024521@x.it.okstate.edu> References: <201104121910.p3CJA0hw024521@x.it.okstate.edu> Message-ID: Hello Martin I will top post. That's all fine, in theory. But Gordon isn't familiar with LINUX, having never used it for more than a few minutes. So it really isn't an option. We don't have the time for the learning curve, this needs to be done and done quickly. We have been in touch with the authors of SPL and the minimum charge for their product is $215. They can forget it! So it's either SAM Broadcaster or OTS DJ Pro Classic by the looks of it. Lynne On 12 Apr 2011, at 20:10, Martin McCormick wrote: Out of curiosity, I googled for unix internet radio broadcasting and found a wikipedia article listing audio software for broadcasting, DJ work, etc. Some of this is free. Some may be rubbish, but there may also be some gems in there. Unix is generally very good at network connectivity and has cron and at for scheduling automation as well as many time-related library routines for software developers to use within programs. All I am saying here is that Linux might have something you can use and if so, it should be very solid for the same reasons that Macs are solid. I use Linux a lot at home and work and it is like the proverbial Timex wristwatch in that it takes a lickin' and keeps on tickin'. At least that is true most of the time. If the Linux system is overtaxed by having to support too many applications at once or the hardware is buggy, it does what any self-respecting computer does under those conditions and begins to act up by slowing down, shedding at jobs and generally becoming flaky. If the system is healthy, though, I have seen Linux systems stay up for well over a year. I just checked one system we have running ubuntu Linux that we use for several automation jobs regarding serial communications logging and scripting and it said: 13:50:34 up 754 days, 12:38, 1 user, load average: 0.01, 0.00, 0.00 Those numbers at the end are best between 0 and 1 but they can go as high as 6 or 7 but things start to go down hill above that. You would probably want to do your actual broadcast production on one Linux box and feed the stream to a server which has the capacity to support many streams. I have seen what audio does on a busy system and it is not pretty at all. I have a system that plays music fabulously but if you happen to do a big disk operation while playing or recording audio, it has the sound effect of a tape being prevented from moving properly. If you were recording, that effect permanently damages the recorded sound. You can see how busy your Mac is by calling up the terminal and then running the uptime command Anyway, you might want to see if Linux has anything you could use as the amount of free software that is high quality is high and the operating system is generally rock stable. If there is commercial Unix software you want to buy for broadcasting, it should be reliable if you run it on the platform the vendor recommends. Martin Gordon Smith writes: > give us what we need. We need much more than just a player. We need > something that will handle automation, scheduling and more which Nicecast > doesn't do. _______________________________________________ The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html From lynne at mac-access.net Wed Apr 13 14:32:56 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2011 14:32:56 +0100 Subject: Internet Broadcasting In-Reply-To: <272702D0-8D74-4771-9959-82BE9532381B@gmail.com> References: <582C1F9D-E72C-438F-AC8A-FA11567F9342@gmail.com> <272702D0-8D74-4771-9959-82BE9532381B@gmail.com> Message-ID: <2E4128A0-2F85-426E-B33B-989941446D09@mac-access.net> Hello Sarah On 12 Apr 2011, at 20:43, Sarah Alawami wrote: ? Huh? Oh no you want standard. that only caust 75 euros. No, that's no use because you need Studio and Playlist. We would also require scheduling which isn't in the standard package. They gave us the price of $215 for the minimum we'd need for broadcasting properly. Lynne From lynne at mac-access.net Wed Apr 13 14:38:04 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2011 14:38:04 +0100 Subject: Internet Broadcasting In-Reply-To: <8CDFC740-E42F-45C6-80D9-4274BB68AFD9@gmail.com> References: <582C1F9D-E72C-438F-AC8A-FA11567F9342@gmail.com> <7B0B483B-BE46-460F-84B2-92A1DA45FB72@chicksdigmacs.net> <8CDFC740-E42F-45C6-80D9-4274BB68AFD9@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4D670218-459E-4194-B514-48F44B8E411A@mac-access.net> Hello SArah On 12 Apr 2011, at 20:43, Sarah Alawami wrote: ? Actually you can use garage band and sound flower to do what you can wiht audio hijack. trust me I do this or have been dongthis for a while now but tha'ts for another list. GarageBand? How is that a broadcasting tool? Again though Sarah, do you use scheduling and spots? if not, then you're not doing what we need to do. Basic playing music, no mixing, that's no use. How do you go about having twin decks, proper audio mixing and dynamics processing on your broadcasting; not to mention title and metadata streaming. Come on Sarah, you can't tell me GarageBand does all that, surely? :) We'd be interested to listen to one of your broadcasts to see how it sounds. Lynne From lynne at mac-access.net Wed Apr 13 14:40:16 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2011 14:40:16 +0100 Subject: Internet Broadcasting In-Reply-To: <3C341351-863A-430C-B7DA-F428F2467B42@gmail.com> References: <582C1F9D-E72C-438F-AC8A-FA11567F9342@gmail.com> <7B0B483B-BE46-460F-84B2-92A1DA45FB72@chicksdigmacs.net> <0F674EB5-C004-4535-8727-8929D8DBF2A9@mac-access.net> <3C341351-863A-430C-B7DA-F428F2467B42@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hello Sarah On 12 Apr 2011, at 20:44, Sarah Alawami wrote: Ther'es dj but tha'ts not accessibil for the other platform. I had a little difficulty with your typo errors there. So are you saying DJ3 for Mac is inaccessible? If so, I have to disagree with that comment. Lynne From lynne at mac-access.net Wed Apr 13 14:45:03 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2011 14:45:03 +0100 Subject: Researcher: Police increasingly peeping at e-mail, IMs In-Reply-To: <1911DCA1-312F-42CE-9AD1-EFA760D18CF6@gmail.com> References: <1911DCA1-312F-42CE-9AD1-EFA760D18CF6@gmail.com> Message-ID: <2D121B79-25C4-43F4-AEEF-E3295B8519BB@mac-access.net> Hello Sarah On 12 Apr 2011, at 21:40, Sarah Alawami wrote: ? Law enforcement organizations are making tens of thousands of requests for private electronic information from companies such as Sprint, Facebook and AOL, but few detailed statistics are available, according to a privacy researcher. This is one reason why we don't like Google Mail, and we have problems understanding why people use the darn thing. They think they're keeping their email secure and safe, that's a joke! Lynne From lynne at mac-access.net Wed Apr 13 14:50:46 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2011 14:50:46 +0100 Subject: Internet Broadcasting In-Reply-To: <2CBF1ACC-0F18-4C97-BD88-EA67F4A6C0E4@thejazzden.org.uk> References: <50C34868-E117-4620-844C-98A50AB805EF@thejazzden.org.uk> <2CBF1ACC-0F18-4C97-BD88-EA67F4A6C0E4@thejazzden.org.uk> Message-ID: <5815BD84-DF0E-45DB-BEB6-E724A0EB4499@mac-access.net> Hello Dennis Your website, is still up, I don't understand what you mean about taking it down. The website is hosted here, remember. We need to have a bit of a chat off list about this I think. Lynne On 12 Apr 2011, at 23:05, Dennis Freedman wrote: Hi Lynne and Gordon All points taken about Sam Broadcaster's non-standard controls. It just seems a pity that with ITunes and nice little remote apps for use with the IPhone/IPad there's not a way of using the Mac. Linux would be nice as it's stable as Marvin says, but why have two or three different libraries for different aps in various formats when you can use such things as home sharing. Ah well, we shall see. As to my own website, you must have a cache of it still as we took it down a year or so ago as I wasn't running it. But while I've been convalescing I've got pleasure from tinkering with the old radio station and, to be honest, just enjoying putting playlists together and enjoying the music. And it won't be that long before I retire so will need something to do. :) On 12 Apr 2011, at 13:27, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hello Dennis > > This is Lynne; but I can answer this because I have been working with Gordon on this project. Some of his shows have been recorded shows which, I can assure you, goes against Gordon's tastes but due to his unpredictable health issues recently, it's been the only safe option as a backup for those times when he didn't feel up to doing a live show. It was better than letting them down totally. > > The problems with Sam4 is that they use what I am told are called "Non-Windows Controls" and which, therefore, screen-readers have trouble with. Apparently these non-Windows controls fall outside of the realm of accessibility and so there is little that the access companies can, (or will) do about them. > > To explain, and this is what I am being told. Visual C or variants of that is used to compile most Windows binaries. The control elements are apparently part of the interface specs and the way Spacial Audio is doing this falls outside of that spec because they use their own controls. > > Gordon isn't a programmer, but that is how he understands things. If anybody else can be more precise you're more than welcome. > > OTS DJ Pro Classic, as it is now named Dennis, is something we are going to consider; as we still have our old licenses and we still have our OTS music collection. In fact, it still seems that unless we can find a Mac-based solution that works, (Not the DJ3 solution which is not really suitable for a couple of reasons), we're restricted to Windows. > > The problems with the Mac side of it are that in order to not have the audio mixed with the VoiceOver output you'd have to use something like Audio Hijack Pro or SoundFlower in order to separate the two. As I say, DJ3 is not suitable because of the fact that, whilst it may be possible with some tinkering, it is difficult to include spots for jingles and station-specific material. > > It still remains a fact that of all the broadcast tools, OTS DJ Pro Classic, (get used to that name Dennis), has the best audio dynamics processor out of all of them. Nothing else comes close to the way it handles audio processing and I laugh when I hear people talking about iTunes plugins producing excellent audio. Nothing comes close to OTS, so we are going to install it even if we don't use it to broadcast. > > As for the web services Dennis, you're always complaining that you don't have the time for this sort of thing. So is it really so important? You haven't updated your JazzDen website in a million years, and it still talks about new broadband coming your way which was in June 2003. > > Come on, we could help you; if only you had the tine. The facilities are here for you to log into your website folder and add/remove/change content. So that's no excuse either. ;-) > > I'm just joking Dennis; but in all seriousness, Gordon and I are more than willing to help you, and anybody else for whom we host services in any way we can. We can provide additional email addresses, extra sub-domains, and so on. All you have to do is let us know. We are also working on a blog engine, so that you could have, for instance, blog.thejazzden.org.uk or whatever your domain happened to be. > > If you're interested, just get back to us privately. That goes for anybody we host for or anybody who is interested in hosting services from us. > > Lynne > > On 11 Apr 2011, at 20:45, Dennis Freedman wrote: > > Hi Gordon > Well I recently set up my station again with OtsDJ and, while it feels very comfortable to use after so long, the web service side of things is I think pretty dated now, and very siple. Spacial Audio Solutions' SAM Broadcaster from spacialaudio.com is up to ver 4.7.4, and has very good web features, including realtime stats, song request, and much more. But the last time I tried this (an earlier version) there were some keyboar shortcuts missing which made it difficult to drive quickly in realtime. I would love to get up and running again, have played with DEJA abd NiceCast on the Mac but still feel I've not found the right thing for me. In my case it may be that I'm getting long in the tooth, but I too would love to hear views of others as to what they're using and on which platform. > Dennis. > > On 11 Apr 2011, at 19:38, Gordon Smith wrote: > >> Hi all >> >> I'm taking a fresh gander at the world of Internet broadcasting. I do this for hospital radio but I'm look at my solutions. >> >> Currently i can't display the titles and metadata because I use a real-time studio setup. But I'm looking to re-entering the world of computerised stuff so that I can do a degree of automation. >> >> Being brutally honest, I can't find the type of thing I want on the Mac side of things. I'd hoped that Radio Logic as I think it's called might do that job; but I gather that accessibility is a problem. So, OK, if I have to go Windows, what are people, if anything, using nowadays? SPL is totally out of the question at that price. Almost 400 quid for the Pro version, that's just plain ridiculous and out of the question for me. I have my OTS DJ and SAM 4 licenses still, but is there anything better that doesn't require a bank raid? >> >> Winamps is a good player, but not a broadcaster. And, after all, it wasn't designed as a broadcaster software package so who can complain. Any other suggestions? Is there something new either Windows or Mac that i don't know about? >> >> Gordon >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free >> >> To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: >> http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html >> > > _______________________________________________ > > The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free > > To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: > http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html > > > _______________________________________________ > > The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free > > To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: > http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html > _______________________________________________ The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html From lynne at mac-access.net Wed Apr 13 14:52:40 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2011 14:52:40 +0100 Subject: Griffin Technology Does It Again! In-Reply-To: <999D1093-0477-46F2-9A4E-0AA9253560F7@gmail.com> References: <654D235A-ADBC-4AAD-A3C7-E78B32995468@mac-access.net> <999D1093-0477-46F2-9A4E-0AA9253560F7@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hello Sarah On 13 Apr 2011, at 07:05, Sarah Alawami wrote: ? Is that the company that makes the imic? if so I live that piece of kit and use it on every machine that I have. Yes, the same company. Lynne From grtdane at internode.on.net Wed Apr 13 18:47:28 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2011 03:47:28 +1000 Subject: Power supplies for Zoom H1 recorder Message-ID: <15511BEC-5EE0-4F3A-908E-8B19AAD208E0@internode.on.net> Hi! I know several people on this list use the Zoom H1 recorder so thought I'd mention the gift I received yesterday. Has anyone purchased the accessaries kit for the Zoom h1 and if so what did you think of the power supply included? Well it does the job but its rather big in my opinion and I had trouble fitting it into my power outlets here. Dad went shopping and came across a "USB Power Supply kit" and one word sums it up, "Brilliant!" You get various attachments in this thing, a power supply to power the setup is included and its less than an inch square or perhaps more accurately, the size is smaller than a standard power plug thus it fits easily into any wall outlet. This switch mode supply comes with various adapters which allow it to be used in various regions of the world but here's the interesting but, the supply has an American 2 pin connection and the adapters for various regions just plug in, far easier than having adapters that snap on and off say like the Apple power supplies for the Macbooks, Airport Express etc. So then we have another small box, about 2 inches square with 4 USB sockets on it, this is where you plug in your zoom. And finally the supply comes with a cigarette lighter adapter to power the kit if you're away from AC power. Other options can be purchased including a solar power kit, external rechargeable battery pack etc. I don't know the brand and I'm not sure where Dad picked this up from but I'm very pleased with the outfit and wherever my Zoom H1 goes? This power supply will be coming along too! From marrie12 at gmail.com Wed Apr 13 20:51:15 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2011 12:51:15 -0700 Subject: Power supplies for Zoom H1 recorder In-Reply-To: <15511BEC-5EE0-4F3A-908E-8B19AAD208E0@internode.on.net> References: <15511BEC-5EE0-4F3A-908E-8B19AAD208E0@internode.on.net> Message-ID: <8F7D28E3-366A-4B8E-AA47-7B000D67F628@gmail.com> Hey if you can find out where that kit was picked up let us know. that sounds interesting. Take care. Sarah Alawami If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com website: http://music.marrie.org Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 On Apr 13, 2011, at 10:47 AM, Dane Trethowan wrote: > Hi! > > I know several people on this list use the Zoom H1 recorder so thought I'd mention the gift I received yesterday. > > Has anyone purchased the accessaries kit for the Zoom h1 and if so what did you think of the power supply included? Well it does the job but its rather big in my opinion and I had trouble fitting it into my power outlets here. > > Dad went shopping and came across a "USB Power Supply kit" and one word sums it up, "Brilliant!" > > You get various attachments in this thing, a power supply to power the setup is included and its less than an inch square or perhaps more accurately, the size is smaller than a standard power plug thus it fits easily into any wall outlet. > > This switch mode supply comes with various adapters which allow it to be used in various regions of the world but here's the interesting but, the supply has an American 2 pin connection and the adapters for various regions just plug in, far easier than having adapters that snap on and off say like the Apple power supplies for the Macbooks, Airport Express etc. > > So then we have another small box, about 2 inches square with 4 USB sockets on it, this is where you plug in your zoom. > > And finally the supply comes with a cigarette lighter adapter to power the kit if you're away from AC power. > > Other options can be purchased including a solar power kit, external rechargeable battery pack etc. > > I don't know the brand and I'm not sure where Dad picked this up from but I'm very pleased with the outfit and wherever my Zoom H1 goes? This power supply will be coming along too! > > > _______________________________________________ > > The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free > > To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: > http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html > From marrie12 at gmail.com Wed Apr 13 20:52:41 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2011 12:52:41 -0700 Subject: Internet Broadcasting In-Reply-To: <2E4128A0-2F85-426E-B33B-989941446D09@mac-access.net> References: <582C1F9D-E72C-438F-AC8A-FA11567F9342@gmail.com> <272702D0-8D74-4771-9959-82BE9532381B@gmail.com> <2E4128A0-2F85-426E-B33B-989941446D09@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <6E145D27-6E21-441B-80F5-FD9E2DADF806@gmail.com> Oh I just use studio and crete my playlists manually in other players. There are payment plans and ross is wonderful at making sure that you get what you need. Take care. Sarah Alawami If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com website: http://music.marrie.org Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 On Apr 13, 2011, at 6:32 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hello Sarah > > On 12 Apr 2011, at 20:43, Sarah Alawami wrote: > > ? Huh? Oh no you want standard. that only caust 75 euros. > > No, that's no use because you need Studio and Playlist. We would also require scheduling which isn't in the standard package. They gave us the price of $215 for the minimum we'd need for broadcasting properly. > > Lynne > > _______________________________________________ > > The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free > > To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: > http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html > From marrie12 at gmail.com Wed Apr 13 20:56:26 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2011 12:56:26 -0700 Subject: Internet Broadcasting In-Reply-To: <4D670218-459E-4194-B514-48F44B8E411A@mac-access.net> References: <582C1F9D-E72C-438F-AC8A-FA11567F9342@gmail.com> <7B0B483B-BE46-460F-84B2-92A1DA45FB72@chicksdigmacs.net> <8CDFC740-E42F-45C6-80D9-4274BB68AFD9@gmail.com> <4D670218-459E-4194-B514-48F44B8E411A@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <6E04C61C-3800-4185-84C3-04007A0A8842@gmail.com> Ok. go to http://tcjwb.blogspot.com. I only have 3 shows up there but yeah. I use gb for mostly everything. i run and add everything manually through cog player and such and keep an eye on my virtual watch lol! I was having issues when I did the show but the show must go on. If you want more info about what I do write me off list or visit my sights in my contact info. I don't claim to know everything and I'm still learning but doing this for 5 years has taught me a lot. Take care all. Sarah Alawami If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com website: http://music.marrie.org Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 On Apr 13, 2011, at 6:38 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hello SArah > > On 12 Apr 2011, at 20:43, Sarah Alawami wrote: > > ? Actually you can use garage band and sound flower to do what you can with audio hijack. trust me I do this or have been doing this for a while now but tha'ts for another list. > > GarageBand? How is that a broadcasting tool? Again though Sarah, do you use scheduling and spots? if not, then you're not doing what we need to do. Basic playing music, no mixing, that's no use. How do you go about having twin decks, proper audio mixing and dynamics processing on your broadcasting; not to mention title and metadata streaming. Come on Sarah, you can't tell me GarageBand does all that, surely? :) We'd be interested to listen to one of your broadcasts to see how it sounds. > > Lynne > > _______________________________________________ > > The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free > > To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: > http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html > From marrie12 at gmail.com Wed Apr 13 20:57:13 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2011 12:57:13 -0700 Subject: Internet Broadcasting In-Reply-To: References: <582C1F9D-E72C-438F-AC8A-FA11567F9342@gmail.com> <7B0B483B-BE46-460F-84B2-92A1DA45FB72@chicksdigmacs.net> <0F674EB5-C004-4535-8727-8929D8DBF2A9@mac-access.net> <3C341351-863A-430C-B7DA-F428F2467B42@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A8FB774-8CBF-4D82-9AA2-238A7792D7C5@gmail.com> tha'ts what someone on twitter said. they sued it and hated every moment of it. they are too used to spl studio which I love as well. lol! Hey more tools under my broadcasting belt eh? Sarah Alawami If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com website: http://music.marrie.org Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 On Apr 13, 2011, at 6:40 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hello Sarah > > On 12 Apr 2011, at 20:44, Sarah Alawami wrote: > > Ther'es dj but tha'ts not accessibil for the other platform. > > I had a little difficulty with your typo errors there. So are you saying DJ3 for Mac is inaccessible? If so, I have to disagree with that comment. > > Lynne > > _______________________________________________ > > The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free > > To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: > http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html > From marrie12 at gmail.com Wed Apr 13 20:59:14 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2011 12:59:14 -0700 Subject: Researcher: Police increasingly peeping at e-mail, IMs In-Reply-To: <2D121B79-25C4-43F4-AEEF-E3295B8519BB@mac-access.net> References: <1911DCA1-312F-42CE-9AD1-EFA760D18CF6@gmail.com> <2D121B79-25C4-43F4-AEEF-E3295B8519BB@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <23976953-EE3E-4CE1-B3D9-CF710986000F@gmail.com> Good point but I usually a raise all of my tracks any, only to save space that is. I can fill up my 7gb of email space in a matter of months lol. but that's fine. Was about to post something else but forgot. Take care all. Sarah Alawami If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com website: http://music.marrie.org Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 On Apr 13, 2011, at 6:45 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hello Sarah > > On 12 Apr 2011, at 21:40, Sarah Alawami wrote: > > ? Law enforcement organizations are making tens of thousands of requests for private electronic information from companies such as Sprint, Facebook and AOL, but few detailed statistics are available, according to a privacy researcher. > > This is one reason why we don't like Google Mail, and we have problems understanding why people use the darn thing. They think they're keeping their email secure and safe, that's a joke! > > Lynne > > _______________________________________________ > > The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free > > To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: > http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html > From marrie12 at gmail.com Wed Apr 13 21:00:10 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2011 13:00:10 -0700 Subject: upgrading windows 7 In-Reply-To: <62469791-A927-4F19-A936-6781D824995B@gmail.com> References: <62469791-A927-4F19-A936-6781D824995B@gmail.com> Message-ID: <626F54C9-C843-45DA-937A-69F4D5AEDB76@gmail.com> Never mind I got it. and it was easy. only took me about 3 hours. Ok I slept during the upgrade but I was able to do everything like set the time through narrator. Take care all. Sarah Alawami If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com website: http://music.marrie.org Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 On Apr 12, 2011, at 1:50 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote: > Hello I installed windows 7 from my cd after I did the bootcamp thing but when I went to upgrade as that's what my key is for only it gave me an error. I googled the error which was something like windows was unable to create an install directory and found I need to uninstall bootcamp before the install. I did this but will I ned sighted hep to upgrade this? > > Take care. > Sarah Alawami > > If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. > > MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com > > website: http://music.marrie.org > Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com > youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 > From grtdane at internode.on.net Wed Apr 13 21:19:02 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2011 06:19:02 +1000 Subject: Power supplies for Zoom H1 recorder In-Reply-To: <8F7D28E3-366A-4B8E-AA47-7B000D67F628@gmail.com> References: <15511BEC-5EE0-4F3A-908E-8B19AAD208E0@internode.on.net> <8F7D28E3-366A-4B8E-AA47-7B000D67F628@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4DA60536.2090806@internode.on.net> When of the best designed things I've seen in a while, I've always thought power supply options were far too big. Dad told me that the optional battery pack is about the same size as the box and supply, each unit could easily fit into a pocket. On 14/04/2011 5:51 AM, Sarah Alawami wrote: > Hey if you can find out where that kit was picked up let us know. that sounds interesting. > > Take care. > Sarah Alawami > > If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. > > MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com > > website: http://music.marrie.org > Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com > youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 > > On Apr 13, 2011, at 10:47 AM, Dane Trethowan wrote: > >> Hi! >> >> I know several people on this list use the Zoom H1 recorder so thought I'd mention the gift I received yesterday. >> >> Has anyone purchased the accessaries kit for the Zoom h1 and if so what did you think of the power supply included? Well it does the job but its rather big in my opinion and I had trouble fitting it into my power outlets here. >> >> Dad went shopping and came across a "USB Power Supply kit" and one word sums it up, "Brilliant!" >> >> You get various attachments in this thing, a power supply to power the setup is included and its less than an inch square or perhaps more accurately, the size is smaller than a standard power plug thus it fits easily into any wall outlet. >> >> This switch mode supply comes with various adapters which allow it to be used in various regions of the world but here's the interesting but, the supply has an American 2 pin connection and the adapters for various regions just plug in, far easier than having adapters that snap on and off say like the Apple power supplies for the Macbooks, Airport Express etc. >> >> So then we have another small box, about 2 inches square with 4 USB sockets on it, this is where you plug in your zoom. >> >> And finally the supply comes with a cigarette lighter adapter to power the kit if you're away from AC power. >> >> Other options can be purchased including a solar power kit, external rechargeable battery pack etc. >> >> I don't know the brand and I'm not sure where Dad picked this up from but I'm very pleased with the outfit and wherever my Zoom H1 goes? This power supply will be coming along too! >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free >> >> To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: >> http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html >> > _______________________________________________ > > The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free > > To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: > http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html > From marrie12 at gmail.com Wed Apr 13 21:39:26 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2011 13:39:26 -0700 Subject: Power supplies for Zoom H1 recorder In-Reply-To: <4DA60536.2090806@internode.on.net> References: <15511BEC-5EE0-4F3A-908E-8B19AAD208E0@internode.on.net> <8F7D28E3-366A-4B8E-AA47-7B000D67F628@gmail.com> <4DA60536.2090806@internode.on.net> Message-ID: <1B12D704-0EEA-4295-949B-B9DEA9CCEBE8@gmail.com> Yeah like I hopefully sent lol. Please ask where you got it. I don't have a zoom but maybe someone other people on tis list might want this. Sarah Alawami If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com website: http://music.marrie.org Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 On Apr 13, 2011, at 1:19 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote: > When of the best designed things I've seen in a while, I've always thought power supply options were far too big. > > Dad told me that the optional battery pack is about the same size as the box and supply, each unit could easily fit into a pocket. > > > > On 14/04/2011 5:51 AM, Sarah Alawami wrote: >> Hey if you can find out where that kit was picked up let us know. that sounds interesting. >> >> Take care. >> Sarah Alawami >> >> If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. >> >> MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com >> >> website: http://music.marrie.org >> Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com >> youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 >> >> On Apr 13, 2011, at 10:47 AM, Dane Trethowan wrote: >> >>> Hi! >>> >>> I know several people on this list use the Zoom H1 recorder so thought I'd mention the gift I received yesterday. >>> >>> Has anyone purchased the accessaries kit for the Zoom h1 and if so what did you think of the power supply included? Well it does the job but its rather big in my opinion and I had trouble fitting it into my power outlets here. >>> >>> Dad went shopping and came across a "USB Power Supply kit" and one word sums it up, "Brilliant!" >>> >>> You get various attachments in this thing, a power supply to power the setup is included and its less than an inch square or perhaps more accurately, the size is smaller than a standard power plug thus it fits easily into any wall outlet. >>> >>> This switch mode supply comes with various adapters which allow it to be used in various regions of the world but here's the interesting but, the supply has an American 2 pin connection and the adapters for various regions just plug in, far easier than having adapters that snap on and off say like the Apple power supplies for the Macbooks, Airport Express etc. >>> >>> So then we have another small box, about 2 inches square with 4 USB sockets on it, this is where you plug in your zoom. >>> >>> And finally the supply comes with a cigarette lighter adapter to power the kit if you're away from AC power. >>> >>> Other options can be purchased including a solar power kit, external rechargeable battery pack etc. >>> >>> I don't know the brand and I'm not sure where Dad picked this up from but I'm very pleased with the outfit and wherever my Zoom H1 goes? This power supply will be coming along too! >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free >>> >>> To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: >>> http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free >> >> To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: >> http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html >> > _______________________________________________ > > The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free > > To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: > http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html > From martin at x.it.okstate.edu Wed Apr 13 22:06:16 2011 From: martin at x.it.okstate.edu (Martin McCormick) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2011 16:06:16 -0500 Subject: Internet Broadcasting Message-ID: <201104132106.p3DL6Geh031051@x.it.okstate.edu> I can certainly understand the learning curve issue when you need to get something done quickly. I would feel that way if I had to learn JAWS and Windows to do something. I don't hate learning new things, but it is best to not learn how to thread a sewing machine while it is running. Same for chain saw maintanense. The command line terminal on a Mac is your standard Unix terminal so you can get the feel of Unix if you own a Mac because it is Unix. I have been using various flavors of Unix in the command line world for about 20 years, now, and I remember it was pretty intimidating at first. I read a quote at the bottom of somebody's Email once that said, "It's not that Unix isn't user friendly, it is just very particular about who it makes friends with." "Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith" writes: > That's all fine, in theory. But Gordon isn't familiar with LINUX, having > never used it for more than a few minutes. So it really isn't an option. From gordon at mac-access.net Wed Apr 13 22:10:19 2011 From: gordon at mac-access.net (Gordon Smith) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2011 22:10:19 +0100 Subject: Power supplies for Zoom H1 recorder In-Reply-To: <15511BEC-5EE0-4F3A-908E-8B19AAD208E0@internode.on.net> References: <15511BEC-5EE0-4F3A-908E-8B19AAD208E0@internode.on.net> Message-ID: I can only think of 5 words to use in reply to this: "What A Fuss About Nothing"! On 13 Apr 2011, at 18:47, Dane Trethowan wrote: Hi! I know several people on this list use the Zoom H1 recorder so thought I'd mention the gift I received yesterday. Has anyone purchased the accessaries kit for the Zoom h1 and if so what did you think of the power supply included? Well it does the job but its rather big in my opinion and I had trouble fitting it into my power outlets here. Dad went shopping and came across a "USB Power Supply kit" and one word sums it up, "Brilliant!" You get various attachments in this thing, a power supply to power the setup is included and its less than an inch square or perhaps more accurately, the size is smaller than a standard power plug thus it fits easily into any wall outlet. This switch mode supply comes with various adapters which allow it to be used in various regions of the world but here's the interesting but, the supply has an American 2 pin connection and the adapters for various regions just plug in, far easier than having adapters that snap on and off say like the Apple power supplies for the Macbooks, Airport Express etc. So then we have another small box, about 2 inches square with 4 USB sockets on it, this is where you plug in your zoom. And finally the supply comes with a cigarette lighter adapter to power the kit if you're away from AC power. Other options can be purchased including a solar power kit, external rechargeable battery pack etc. I don't know the brand and I'm not sure where Dad picked this up from but I'm very pleased with the outfit and wherever my Zoom H1 goes? This power supply will be coming along too! _______________________________________________ The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html From gordon at mac-access.net Wed Apr 13 22:13:17 2011 From: gordon at mac-access.net (Gordon Smith) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2011 22:13:17 +0100 Subject: Internet Broadcasting In-Reply-To: <6E145D27-6E21-441B-80F5-FD9E2DADF806@gmail.com> References: <582C1F9D-E72C-438F-AC8A-FA11567F9342@gmail.com> <272702D0-8D74-4771-9959-82BE9532381B@gmail.com> <2E4128A0-2F85-426E-B33B-989941446D09@mac-access.net> <6E145D27-6E21-441B-80F5-FD9E2DADF806@gmail.com> Message-ID: <94F5E165-C7D6-43BE-A073-E011A3BE65D4@mac-access.net> Hello Sarah Ah, so in other words you simply pre-programme, no on-the-fly stuff and no spots for jingles, trails etc. Right, I understand. I haven't tried SPL so I don't now what its mixing and dynamics are like. But it would have to go some to beat OTS AV DJ. Gordon On 13 Apr 2011, at 20:52, Sarah Alawami wrote: Oh I just use studio and crete my playlists manually in other players. There are payment plans and ross is wonderful at making sure that you get what you need. From grtdane at internode.on.net Wed Apr 13 22:19:36 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2011 07:19:36 +1000 Subject: Power supplies for Zoom H1 recorder In-Reply-To: <1B12D704-0EEA-4295-949B-B9DEA9CCEBE8@gmail.com> References: <15511BEC-5EE0-4F3A-908E-8B19AAD208E0@internode.on.net> <8F7D28E3-366A-4B8E-AA47-7B000D67F628@gmail.com> <4DA60536.2090806@internode.on.net> <1B12D704-0EEA-4295-949B-B9DEA9CCEBE8@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20E8486A-8B9B-4D76-A716-92602506B65A@internode.on.net> I've just asked, Dad got it from a shop in Melbourne called Radio Parts, I know them well. Problem is that the supply has the "Raipart" brand on it so that's not particularly helpful for this list . On 14/04/2011, at 6:39 AM, Sarah Alawami wrote: > Yeah like I hopefully sent lol. Please ask where you got it. I don't have a zoom but maybe someone other people on tis list might want this. > Sarah Alawami > > If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. > > MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com > > website: http://music.marrie.org > Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com > youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 > > On Apr 13, 2011, at 1:19 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote: > >> When of the best designed things I've seen in a while, I've always thought power supply options were far too big. >> >> Dad told me that the optional battery pack is about the same size as the box and supply, each unit could easily fit into a pocket. >> >> >> >> On 14/04/2011 5:51 AM, Sarah Alawami wrote: >>> Hey if you can find out where that kit was picked up let us know. that sounds interesting. >>> >>> Take care. >>> Sarah Alawami >>> >>> If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. >>> >>> MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com >>> >>> website: http://music.marrie.org >>> Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com >>> youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 >>> >>> On Apr 13, 2011, at 10:47 AM, Dane Trethowan wrote: >>> >>>> Hi! >>>> >>>> I know several people on this list use the Zoom H1 recorder so thought I'd mention the gift I received yesterday. >>>> >>>> Has anyone purchased the accessaries kit for the Zoom h1 and if so what did you think of the power supply included? Well it does the job but its rather big in my opinion and I had trouble fitting it into my power outlets here. >>>> >>>> Dad went shopping and came across a "USB Power Supply kit" and one word sums it up, "Brilliant!" >>>> >>>> You get various attachments in this thing, a power supply to power the setup is included and its less than an inch square or perhaps more accurately, the size is smaller than a standard power plug thus it fits easily into any wall outlet. >>>> >>>> This switch mode supply comes with various adapters which allow it to be used in various regions of the world but here's the interesting but, the supply has an American 2 pin connection and the adapters for various regions just plug in, far easier than having adapters that snap on and off say like the Apple power supplies for the Macbooks, Airport Express etc. >>>> >>>> So then we have another small box, about 2 inches square with 4 USB sockets on it, this is where you plug in your zoom. >>>> >>>> And finally the supply comes with a cigarette lighter adapter to power the kit if you're away from AC power. >>>> >>>> Other options can be purchased including a solar power kit, external rechargeable battery pack etc. >>>> >>>> I don't know the brand and I'm not sure where Dad picked this up from but I'm very pleased with the outfit and wherever my Zoom H1 goes? This power supply will be coming along too! >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> >>>> The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free >>>> >>>> To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat >>>> >>>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: >>>> http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free >>> >>> To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: >>> http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free >> >> To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: >> http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html >> > > _______________________________________________ > > The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free > > To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: > http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html > From grtdane at internode.on.net Wed Apr 13 22:26:39 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2011 07:26:39 +1000 Subject: Power supplies for Zoom H1 recorder In-Reply-To: References: <15511BEC-5EE0-4F3A-908E-8B19AAD208E0@internode.on.net> Message-ID: Each to their own , its not a fuss about nothing if a power supply can't be used. On 14/04/2011, at 7:10 AM, Gordon Smith wrote: > I can only think of 5 words to use in reply to this: "What A Fuss About Nothing"! > > > On 13 Apr 2011, at 18:47, Dane Trethowan wrote: > > Hi! > > I know several people on this list use the Zoom H1 recorder so thought I'd mention the gift I received yesterday. > > Has anyone purchased the accessaries kit for the Zoom h1 and if so what did you think of the power supply included? Well it does the job but its rather big in my opinion and I had trouble fitting it into my power outlets here. > > Dad went shopping and came across a "USB Power Supply kit" and one word sums it up, "Brilliant!" > > You get various attachments in this thing, a power supply to power the setup is included and its less than an inch square or perhaps more accurately, the size is smaller than a standard power plug thus it fits easily into any wall outlet. > > This switch mode supply comes with various adapters which allow it to be used in various regions of the world but here's the interesting but, the supply has an American 2 pin connection and the adapters for various regions just plug in, far easier than having adapters that snap on and off say like the Apple power supplies for the Macbooks, Airport Express etc. > > So then we have another small box, about 2 inches square with 4 USB sockets on it, this is where you plug in your zoom. > > And finally the supply comes with a cigarette lighter adapter to power the kit if you're away from AC power. > > Other options can be purchased including a solar power kit, external rechargeable battery pack etc. > > I don't know the brand and I'm not sure where Dad picked this up from but I'm very pleased with the outfit and wherever my Zoom H1 goes? This power supply will be coming along too! > > > _______________________________________________ > > The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free > > To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: > http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html > > > _______________________________________________ > > The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free > > To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: > http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html > From marrie12 at gmail.com Wed Apr 13 22:31:35 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2011 14:31:35 -0700 Subject: Power supplies for Zoom H1 recorder In-Reply-To: References: <15511BEC-5EE0-4F3A-908E-8B19AAD208E0@internode.on.net> Message-ID: Actually I need to get me some power squids for my new set up but most of th estorrs in teh west cost in th eus quit selling them for some oddish reason. lol. ah well. Take care all. and have fun with the zoom. Sarah Alawami If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com website: http://music.marrie.org Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 On Apr 13, 2011, at 2:26 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote: > Each to their own , its not a fuss about nothing if a power supply can't be used. > > > On 14/04/2011, at 7:10 AM, Gordon Smith wrote: > >> I can only think of 5 words to use in reply to this: "What A Fuss About Nothing"! >> >> >> On 13 Apr 2011, at 18:47, Dane Trethowan wrote: >> >> Hi! >> >> I know several people on this list use the Zoom H1 recorder so thought I'd mention the gift I received yesterday. >> >> Has anyone purchased the accessaries kit for the Zoom h1 and if so what did you think of the power supply included? Well it does the job but its rather big in my opinion and I had trouble fitting it into my power outlets here. >> >> Dad went shopping and came across a "USB Power Supply kit" and one word sums it up, "Brilliant!" >> >> You get various attachments in this thing, a power supply to power the setup is included and its less than an inch square or perhaps more accurately, the size is smaller than a standard power plug thus it fits easily into any wall outlet. >> >> This switch mode supply comes with various adapters which allow it to be used in various regions of the world but here's the interesting but, the supply has an American 2 pin connection and the adapters for various regions just plug in, far easier than having adapters that snap on and off say like the Apple power supplies for the Macbooks, Airport Express etc. >> >> So then we have another small box, about 2 inches square with 4 USB sockets on it, this is where you plug in your zoom. >> >> And finally the supply comes with a cigarette lighter adapter to power the kit if you're away from AC power. >> >> Other options can be purchased including a solar power kit, external rechargeable battery pack etc. >> >> I don't know the brand and I'm not sure where Dad picked this up from but I'm very pleased with the outfit and wherever my Zoom H1 goes? This power supply will be coming along too! >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free >> >> To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: >> http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free >> >> To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: >> http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html >> > > _______________________________________________ > > The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free > > To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: > http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html > From marrie12 at gmail.com Wed Apr 13 22:33:28 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2011 14:33:28 -0700 Subject: Internet Broadcasting In-Reply-To: <94F5E165-C7D6-43BE-A073-E011A3BE65D4@mac-access.net> References: <582C1F9D-E72C-438F-AC8A-FA11567F9342@gmail.com> <272702D0-8D74-4771-9959-82BE9532381B@gmail.com> <2E4128A0-2F85-426E-B33B-989941446D09@mac-access.net> <6E145D27-6E21-441B-80F5-FD9E2DADF806@gmail.com> <94F5E165-C7D6-43BE-A073-E011A3BE65D4@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <0AD2EED1-0DED-4C5A-8BCE-DEA714749726@gmail.com> YOu can't mix with spl. you would need a board like i have or a software mixer like gb or what ever would be the thng for windows or what not. Ok you can add sap effects but they work from top to bottom so you can't suddenly add a reverb inthe middle of a sentence or what ever. I have a hardware mixer for that. Take care. Sarah Alawami If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com website: http://music.marrie.org Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 On Apr 13, 2011, at 2:13 PM, Gordon Smith wrote: > Hello Sarah > > Ah, so in other words you simply pre-programme, no on-the-fly stuff and no spots for jingles, trails etc. Right, I understand. I haven't tried SPL so I don't now what its mixing and dynamics are like. But it would have to go some to beat OTS AV DJ. > > Gordon > > On 13 Apr 2011, at 20:52, Sarah Alawami wrote: > > Oh I just use studio and crete my playlists manually in other players. There are payment plans and ross is wonderful at making sure that you get what you need. > > _______________________________________________ > > The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free > > To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: > http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html > From grtdane at internode.on.net Thu Apr 14 02:27:09 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2011 11:27:09 +1000 Subject: Diskeeper Pro Premier 2011 Message-ID: <4DA64D6D.9060805@internode.on.net> Hi! Just upgraded to Diskeeper Pro premier 2011 and yep, a string of new features. By default now for instance this version of Diskeeper only defragments those files it deems are the one's which are affecting the performance of your computer system, how Diskeeper Premier Pro works this out I don't quite know, I'm only going on the material in the "What's New" notice which comes up after the 2011 version is installed. So what are the advantages of only defragmenting files that need to be defragmented and leaving the rest alone? Less wear and tear on your mechanical hard drive, I suppose to a degree that makes sense. You can change the behaviour of defragmentation mode, you can for example change from the "Efficient" to the "Extended" mode where all files are defragmented file-by-file. I've had Diskeeper Premier Pro 2011 on my system for the last few hours and I believe I've noticed another leap in system performance and I'm told this will improve again over time according to the help file? Well I'll wait and see. From lynne at mac-access.net Thu Apr 14 02:45:32 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2011 02:45:32 +0100 Subject: Power supplies for Zoom H1 recorder In-Reply-To: References: <15511BEC-5EE0-4F3A-908E-8B19AAD208E0@internode.on.net> Message-ID: Hello Dane On 13 Apr 2011, at 22:26, Dane Trethowan wrote: ? Each to their own , its not a fuss about nothing if a power supply can't be used. Odd, I remember you telling us you had an adapter. Lynne From gordon at mac-access.net Thu Apr 14 02:55:14 2011 From: gordon at mac-access.net (Gordon Smith) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2011 02:55:14 +0100 Subject: Internet Broadcasting In-Reply-To: <0AD2EED1-0DED-4C5A-8BCE-DEA714749726@gmail.com> References: <582C1F9D-E72C-438F-AC8A-FA11567F9342@gmail.com> <272702D0-8D74-4771-9959-82BE9532381B@gmail.com> <2E4128A0-2F85-426E-B33B-989941446D09@mac-access.net> <6E145D27-6E21-441B-80F5-FD9E2DADF806@gmail.com> <94F5E165-C7D6-43BE-A073-E011A3BE65D4@mac-access.net> <0AD2EED1-0DED-4C5A-8BCE-DEA714749726@gmail.com> Message-ID: <9A18EDD2-676D-4050-8A23-B73DBAAC2E66@mac-access.net> Hi Sarah No, sorry, I think you're mistaken. Even the old version of Studio I had years back would let you mix tracks. But if that has gone, it's out of the question. To be honest, I think it is out anyway because we already have OTS and I'm leaning towards going back to that. Gordon On 13 Apr 2011, at 22:33, Sarah Alawami wrote: YOu can't mix with spl. you would need a board like i have or a software mixer like gb or what ever would be the thng for windows or what not. Ok you can add sap effects but they work from top to bottom so you can't suddenly add a reverb inthe middle of a sentence or what ever. I have a hardware mixer for that. From grtdane at internode.on.net Thu Apr 14 03:42:47 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2011 12:42:47 +1000 Subject: Power supplies for Zoom H1 recorder In-Reply-To: References: <15511BEC-5EE0-4F3A-908E-8B19AAD208E0@internode.on.net> Message-ID: <4DA65F27.9030506@internode.on.net> I do yep! but its all to big! to fit into my power outlets as I said in my original message. On 14/04/2011 11:45 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hello Dane > > On 13 Apr 2011, at 22:26, Dane Trethowan wrote: > > ? Each to their own, its not a fuss about nothing if a power supply can't be used. > > Odd, I remember you telling us you had an adapter. > > Lynne > > _______________________________________________ > > The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free > > To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: > http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html > From marrie12 at gmail.com Thu Apr 14 06:12:13 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2011 22:12:13 -0700 Subject: Microsoft: IE10 Will Not Be Supported On Windows Vista [Blip] Message-ID: Ironic? Read more to find out. http://gizmo.do/gDlx2r From marrie12 at gmail.com Thu Apr 14 06:20:02 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2011 22:20:02 -0700 Subject: Power supplies for Zoom H1 recorder In-Reply-To: <4DA65F27.9030506@internode.on.net> References: <15511BEC-5EE0-4F3A-908E-8B19AAD208E0@internode.on.net> <4DA65F27.9030506@internode.on.net> Message-ID: <5B4BD773-4E23-4B8F-9E28-97642500FCCA@gmail.com> lightly off subject but have you tried fitingit in to a power squid? or would that ruin the cords? Take care Sarah Alawami If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com website: http://music.marrie.org Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 On Apr 13, 2011, at 7:42 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote: > I do yep! but its all to big! to fit into my power outlets as I said in my original message. > > > > On 14/04/2011 11:45 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: >> Hello Dane >> >> On 13 Apr 2011, at 22:26, Dane Trethowan wrote: >> >> ? Each to their own, its not a fuss about nothing if a power supply can't be used. >> >> Odd, I remember you telling us you had an adapter. >> >> Lynne >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free >> >> To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: >> http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html >> > _______________________________________________ > > The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free > > To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: > http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html > From marrie12 at gmail.com Thu Apr 14 06:22:26 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2011 22:22:26 -0700 Subject: Internet Broadcasting In-Reply-To: <9A18EDD2-676D-4050-8A23-B73DBAAC2E66@mac-access.net> References: <582C1F9D-E72C-438F-AC8A-FA11567F9342@gmail.com> <272702D0-8D74-4771-9959-82BE9532381B@gmail.com> <2E4128A0-2F85-426E-B33B-989941446D09@mac-access.net> <6E145D27-6E21-441B-80F5-FD9E2DADF806@gmail.com> <94F5E165-C7D6-43BE-A073-E011A3BE65D4@mac-access.net> <0AD2EED1-0DED-4C5A-8BCE-DEA714749726@gmail.com> <9A18EDD2-676D-4050-8A23-B73DBAAC2E66@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <69C3228F-E787-4495-AB24-2DE126F0A6F9@gmail.com> Ah ots dj? I've heard of that and know of some blind people djtt to name one who uses it to make mash ups. but yeah good luck. and I can if you want send some dinfo about my show to the chat list if you want or would that be O.T? you can write me off list of this one lol! Sarah Alawami If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com website: http://music.marrie.org Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 On Apr 13, 2011, at 6:55 PM, Gordon Smith wrote: > Hi Sarah > > No, sorry, I think you're mistaken. Even the old version of Studio I had years back would let you mix tracks. But if that has gone, it's out of the question. To be honest, I think it is out anyway because we already have OTS and I'm leaning towards going back to that. > > Gordon > > On 13 Apr 2011, at 22:33, Sarah Alawami wrote: > > YOu can't mix with spl. you would need a board like i have or a software mixer like gb or what ever would be the thng for windows or what not. Ok you can add sap effects but they work from top to bottom so you can't suddenly add a reverb inthe middle of a sentence or what ever. I have a hardware mixer for that. > > _______________________________________________ > > The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free > > To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: > http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html > From marrie12 at gmail.com Thu Apr 14 06:25:07 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2011 22:25:07 -0700 Subject: turning off uac? Message-ID: Hello How do I turn off uac in windows 7? I know that's a very stupid question but I don't want those dialogues to get in the way when I'm working on my semester test and rushing to finish it. Oh boy I get to relearn word and excel 2007 lol! Thanks. Sarah Alawami If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com website: http://music.marrie.org Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 From gordon at mac-access.net Thu Apr 14 15:39:42 2011 From: gordon at mac-access.net (Gordon Smith) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2011 15:39:42 +0100 Subject: Internet Broadcasting In-Reply-To: <69C3228F-E787-4495-AB24-2DE126F0A6F9@gmail.com> References: <582C1F9D-E72C-438F-AC8A-FA11567F9342@gmail.com> <272702D0-8D74-4771-9959-82BE9532381B@gmail.com> <2E4128A0-2F85-426E-B33B-989941446D09@mac-access.net> <6E145D27-6E21-441B-80F5-FD9E2DADF806@gmail.com> <94F5E165-C7D6-43BE-A073-E011A3BE65D4@mac-access.net> <0AD2EED1-0DED-4C5A-8BCE-DEA714749726@gmail.com> <9A18EDD2-676D-4050-8A23-B73DBAAC2E66@mac-access.net> <69C3228F-E787-4495-AB24-2DE126F0A6F9@gmail.com> Message-ID: <93FC8801-3128-4AB3-8523-6EF1895F028E@mac-access.net> Hello Sarah Top posting here. Please don't ad your show on list, as it would be off topic. :) We don't have the time to sit and listen to full shows at the moment. There is too much going on here. Gordon is trying to get things sorted for work, and he's up to his neck in projects for Mac Access as well. The Internet Broadcasting is one of those projects we want to get resolved. We tried to download SAM Broadcaster last night but can't find the account password and their auto-reminder system does not seem to work. Lynne On 14 Apr 2011, at 06:22, Sarah Alawami wrote: Ah ots dj? I've heard of that and know of some blind people djtt to name one who uses it to make mash ups. but yeah good luck. and I can if you want send some dinfo about my show to the chat list if you want or would that be O.T? you can write me off list of this one lol! Sarah Alawami If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com website: http://music.marrie.org Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 On Apr 13, 2011, at 6:55 PM, Gordon Smith wrote: > Hi Sarah > > No, sorry, I think you're mistaken. Even the old version of Studio I had years back would let you mix tracks. But if that has gone, it's out of the question. To be honest, I think it is out anyway because we already have OTS and I'm leaning towards going back to that. > > Gordon > > On 13 Apr 2011, at 22:33, Sarah Alawami wrote: > > YOu can't mix with spl. you would need a board like i have or a software mixer like gb or what ever would be the thng for windows or what not. Ok you can add sap effects but they work from top to bottom so you can't suddenly add a reverb inthe middle of a sentence or what ever. I have a hardware mixer for that. > > _______________________________________________ > > The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free > > To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: > http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html > _______________________________________________ The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html From gordon at mac-access.net Thu Apr 14 15:41:25 2011 From: gordon at mac-access.net (Gordon Smith) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2011 15:41:25 +0100 Subject: turning off uac? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6D2B1DF5-6B73-43E8-A193-FDFD28A419FA@mac-access.net> Hello Sarah On 14 Apr 2011, at 06:25, Sarah Alawami wrote: Hello How do I turn off uac in windows 7? I know that's a very stupid question but I don't want those dialogues to get in the way when I'm working on my semester test and rushing to finish it. Oh boy I get to relearn word and excel 2007 lol! Go into Conbrol Panel > Accounts > User Account Control. Turn it off and restart. That's one of Microsoft's worst inventions in recent times, and it causes horrendous problems for a lot of people. We turned it off as soon as we got our netbook working. Lynne Thanks. Sarah Alawami If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com website: http://music.marrie.org Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 _______________________________________________ The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html From lynne at mac-access.net Thu Apr 14 15:42:32 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2011 15:42:32 +0100 Subject: Oopse! Message-ID: <5F2A6A0B-16C7-48AE-B724-B9C78962CAF9@mac-access.net> You know folks; I keep forgetting to change user accounts in Mail. I think we are going to have to consider setting up another account but that would create problems for us. Lynne From marrie12 at gmail.com Thu Apr 14 17:18:43 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2011 09:18:43 -0700 Subject: turning off uac? In-Reply-To: <6D2B1DF5-6B73-43E8-A193-FDFD28A419FA@mac-access.net> References: <6D2B1DF5-6B73-43E8-A193-FDFD28A419FA@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <0B22018B-0D06-4CB4-AD1E-AB11A14D1C85@gmail.com> Thanks. I'll do that. I should have remembered that but it's been months since I used windows. Take care. Sarah Alawami If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com website: http://music.marrie.org Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 On Apr 14, 2011, at 7:41 AM, Gordon Smith wrote: > Hello Sarah > > On 14 Apr 2011, at 06:25, Sarah Alawami wrote: > > Hello How do I turn off uac in windows 7? I know that's a very stupid question but I don't want those dialogues to get in the way when I'm working on my semester test and rushing to finish it. Oh boy I get to relearn word and excel 2007 lol! > > Go into Conbrol Panel > Accounts > User Account Control. Turn it off and restart. > > That's one of Microsoft's worst inventions in recent times, and it causes horrendous problems for a lot of people. We turned it off as soon as we got our netbook working. > > Lynne > > Thanks. > > Sarah Alawami > > If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. > > MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com > > website: http://music.marrie.org > Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com > youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 > > _______________________________________________ > > The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free > > To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: > http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html > > > _______________________________________________ > > The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free > > To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: > http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html > From marrie12 at gmail.com Thu Apr 14 17:19:43 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2011 09:19:43 -0700 Subject: Internet Broadcasting In-Reply-To: <93FC8801-3128-4AB3-8523-6EF1895F028E@mac-access.net> References: <582C1F9D-E72C-438F-AC8A-FA11567F9342@gmail.com> <272702D0-8D74-4771-9959-82BE9532381B@gmail.com> <2E4128A0-2F85-426E-B33B-989941446D09@mac-access.net> <6E145D27-6E21-441B-80F5-FD9E2DADF806@gmail.com> <94F5E165-C7D6-43BE-A073-E011A3BE65D4@mac-access.net> <0AD2EED1-0DED-4C5A-8BCE-DEA714749726@gmail.com> <9A18EDD2-676D-4050-8A23-B73DBAAC2E66@mac-access.net> <69C3228F-E787-4495-AB24-2DE126F0A6F9@gmail.com> <93FC8801-3128-4AB3-8523-6EF1895F028E@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <9CC387AB-DAC0-4DAF-8D72-370C89B443BF@gmail.com> Ah. I'll post to the just chat list when I next do one which should be monday. Hey just getting myself out there. Good luck with the broadcasting and hope you find a solution. Sarah Alawami If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com website: http://music.marrie.org Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 On Apr 14, 2011, at 7:39 AM, Gordon Smith wrote: > Hello Sarah > > Top posting here. Please don't ad your show on list, as it would be off topic. :) > > We don't have the time to sit and listen to full shows at the moment. There is too much going on here. > > Gordon is trying to get things sorted for work, and he's up to his neck in projects for Mac Access as well. The Internet Broadcasting is one of those projects we want to get resolved. We tried to download SAM Broadcaster last night but can't find the account password and their auto-reminder system does not seem to work. > > Lynne > > On 14 Apr 2011, at 06:22, Sarah Alawami wrote: > > Ah ots dj? I've heard of that and know of some blind people djtt to name one who uses it to make mash ups. but yeah good luck. and I can if you want send some dinfo about my show to the chat list if you want or would that be O.T? you can write me off list of this one lol! > Sarah Alawami > > If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. > > MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com > > website: http://music.marrie.org > Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com > youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 > > On Apr 13, 2011, at 6:55 PM, Gordon Smith wrote: > >> Hi Sarah >> >> No, sorry, I think you're mistaken. Even the old version of Studio I had years back would let you mix tracks. But if that has gone, it's out of the question. To be honest, I think it is out anyway because we already have OTS and I'm leaning towards going back to that. >> >> Gordon >> >> On 13 Apr 2011, at 22:33, Sarah Alawami wrote: >> >> YOu can't mix with spl. you would need a board like i have or a software mixer like gb or what ever would be the thng for windows or what not. Ok you can add sap effects but they work from top to bottom so you can't suddenly add a reverb inthe middle of a sentence or what ever. I have a hardware mixer for that. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free >> >> To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: >> http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html >> > > _______________________________________________ > > The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free > > To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: > http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html > > > _______________________________________________ > > The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free > > To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: > http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html > From lynne at mac-access.net Thu Apr 14 21:58:23 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2011 21:58:23 +0100 Subject: Multiple email accounts in Mozilla Thunderbird Email client Message-ID: Hello everybody Anybody know whether, and if so, how well or otherwise does Thunderbird handle multiple email accounts? Is this client accessible using Window-Eyes 7.2 and later? We have 7.2 on our machine currently but it will be upgraded to what we have decided will be our final ever major upgrade of a GW Micro product, version 7.5; in just a couple of weeks or so. I plan to write another message about that shortly. Lynne From lynne at mac-access.net Thu Apr 14 22:52:47 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2011 22:52:47 +0100 Subject: iAmp Remote & Winamp Message-ID: <96DB0AAC-70F0-418D-83C5-6976476E8B9B@mac-access.net> Hello all For those list members who use Windows and Winamp and who also want to use their iOS device to control Winamp remotely, here's the app to do it. I don't know whether it allows remote audio playback on the network yet; I haven't been able to try it. Anyway here is the URL to the developer's site: From lynne at mac-access.net Thu Apr 14 23:16:22 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2011 23:16:22 +0100 Subject: GW Micro; What A Ta-do! Message-ID: <89ECAD4E-FA32-489B-8AE8-8F049D297061@mac-access.net> Hello everybody I just thought I would give this a mention because it's not how things used to be and it is the final nail in the coffin for Window-Eyes as far as we are concerned. GW Micro has now followed the Freedom Scientific model, it seems. They are now insisting that all overseas customers buy their products through a dealership network. Thus, here is how it works, as I discovered when buying an upgrade for Gordon: 1. You contact your selected dealership, and place your order for Window-Eyes. In our case, an upgrade CD from version 7.2 through 7.5. 2. The dealer passes on the details of the order to GW Micro. 3. GW Micro creates a master CD with your unique serial number on it as part of the copy protection. 4. GW Micro then ships the CD back to your selected dealer. 5. Your selected dealer then ships the CD back out to you, the end user. Well; what a waste of time! if GW Micro had any common sense, which, it seems, they no longer do, they could provide for overseas customers' needs directly, as they have done for the past 19 years. What's more, they could save everybody a lot of money, by creating an ISO image of the copy of Window-Eyes, and let the customer download it; many companies nowadays use this process and it works well. Clearly, GW Micro has followed Freedom Scientific not only in their discriminatory treatment of overseas customers, but also in their attitude. From what I saw the other day in an email forwarded to me by a friend, GW Micro's technical support personnel are now just as arrogant and egotistical as Freedom Scientific's are. This is what Gordon is calling the "Accessibility Disease", because it's something which, ultimately, seems to infect just about every accessibility developer in the Windows marketplace. Before anybody starts screaming about NVDA as I'm sure somebody will if I don't cover my back, :) I am not talking about the amateur enthusiasts here; I'm talking about the commercial, for lots of profit, developers. As I said, this will be our final purchase from GW Micro. I only bought the upgrade so that Gordon could use a specific application in Windows which has been written and optimised for use with Internet Explorer 9. Window-Eyes 7.2 does not support Internet Explorer 9, just as it does not support Windows Live 2011, (version 14). Tyhat's the version you have to install in Windows 7 I believe, which our NetBook runs. Lynne From lynne at mac-access.net Thu Apr 14 23:21:24 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2011 23:21:24 +0100 Subject: Internet Broadcasting In-Reply-To: <9CC387AB-DAC0-4DAF-8D72-370C89B443BF@gmail.com> References: <582C1F9D-E72C-438F-AC8A-FA11567F9342@gmail.com> <272702D0-8D74-4771-9959-82BE9532381B@gmail.com> <2E4128A0-2F85-426E-B33B-989941446D09@mac-access.net> <6E145D27-6E21-441B-80F5-FD9E2DADF806@gmail.com> <94F5E165-C7D6-43BE-A073-E011A3BE65D4@mac-access.net> <0AD2EED1-0DED-4C5A-8BCE-DEA714749726@gmail.com> <9A18EDD2-676D-4050-8A23-B73DBAAC2E66@mac-access.net> <69C3228F-E787-4495-AB24-2DE126F0A6F9@gmail.com> <93FC8801-3128-4AB3-8523-6EF1895F028E@mac-access.net> <9CC387AB-DAC0-4DAF-8D72-370C89B443BF@gmail.com> Message-ID: <24550621-7B63-422A-A212-A439290709F1@mac-access.net> hello Sarah On 14 Apr 2011, at 17:19, Sarah Alawami wrote: ? Ah. I'll post to the just chat list when I next do one which should be monday. Hey just getting myself out there. Posting that to Just-Chat would be just fine. As for us, we have now discounted SPL based on what you told us about its limitations. So, it's either Sam Broadcaster or, more likely, OTS AV DJ Pro Classic. We have a 50GB OTS album collection ready and waiting, with lots more to add. We also have a three-machine license for it ready and waiting. So it would seem to make sense to go that route. Lynne From grtdane at internode.on.net Thu Apr 14 23:29:58 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2011 08:29:58 +1000 Subject: Multiple email accounts in Mozilla Thunderbird Email client In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4DA77566.9090503@internode.on.net> Hi! Using Thunderbird and Window-Eyes 7.2 right now. Thunderbird has no trouble whatever in handling multiple accounts and I'd go so far as to say that Thunderbird is probably the best email client there is when it comes to handling multiple accounts, so customisable. On 15/04/2011 6:58 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hello everybody > > Anybody know whether, and if so, how well or otherwise does Thunderbird handle multiple email accounts? Is this client accessible using Window-Eyes 7.2 and later? We have 7.2 on our machine currently but it will be upgraded to what we have decided will be our final ever major upgrade of a GW Micro product, version 7.5; in just a couple of weeks or so. I plan to write another message about that shortly. > > Lynne > > _______________________________________________ > > The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free > > To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: > http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html > From grtdane at internode.on.net Thu Apr 14 23:33:34 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2011 08:33:34 +1000 Subject: iAmp Remote & Winamp In-Reply-To: <96DB0AAC-70F0-418D-83C5-6976476E8B9B@mac-access.net> References: <96DB0AAC-70F0-418D-83C5-6976476E8B9B@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <4DA7763E.4010401@internode.on.net> Its just a controller to allow control of Winamp, Winamp handles the audio just as with the Apple Remote and the Apple TV, the Squeezebox Remote Control etc. On 15/04/2011 7:52 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hello all > > For those list members who use Windows and Winamp and who also want to use their iOS device to control Winamp remotely, here's the app to do it. I don't know whether it allows remote audio playback on the network yet; I haven't been able to try it. Anyway here is the URL to the developer's site: > > > _______________________________________________ > > The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free > > To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: > http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html > From marrie12 at gmail.com Fri Apr 15 07:12:34 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2011 23:12:34 -0700 Subject: Internet Broadcasting In-Reply-To: <24550621-7B63-422A-A212-A439290709F1@mac-access.net> References: <582C1F9D-E72C-438F-AC8A-FA11567F9342@gmail.com> <272702D0-8D74-4771-9959-82BE9532381B@gmail.com> <2E4128A0-2F85-426E-B33B-989941446D09@mac-access.net> <6E145D27-6E21-441B-80F5-FD9E2DADF806@gmail.com> <94F5E165-C7D6-43BE-A073-E011A3BE65D4@mac-access.net> <0AD2EED1-0DED-4C5A-8BCE-DEA714749726@gmail.com> <9A18EDD2-676D-4050-8A23-B73DBAAC2E66@mac-access.net> <69C3228F-E787-4495-AB24-2DE126F0A6F9@gmail.com> <93FC8801-3128-4AB3-8523-6EF1895F028E@mac-access.net> <9CC387AB-DAC0-4DAF-8D72-370C89B443BF@gmail.com> <24550621-7B63-422A-A212-A439290709F1@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <6692D520-CEF7-49A6-91DC-D6FBB704AFE6@gmail.com> lol. I have or had before my hd died over 200 gigs and growing. I want to get it up to at least a tb so I never run out of stuff lol! but take care. If my internet behaves watch the just chat space for more info on the crazy tcjwb show. lol! Keep us posted and hould you have any question or need a hand in mixing let me know. Take care and be blessed. I'm off to scream at my router now. Sarah Alawami If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com website: http://music.marrie.org Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 On Apr 14, 2011, at 3:21 PM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > hello Sarah > > On 14 Apr 2011, at 17:19, Sarah Alawami wrote: > > ? Ah. I'll post to the just chat list when I next do one which should be monday. Hey just getting myself out there. > > Posting that to Just-Chat would be just fine. As for us, we have now discounted SPL based on what you told us about its limitations. So, it's either Sam Broadcaster or, more likely, OTS AV DJ Pro Classic. We have a 50GB OTS album collection ready and waiting, with lots more to add. We also have a three-machine license for it ready and waiting. So it would seem to make sense to go that route. > > Lynne > > _______________________________________________ > > The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free > > To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: > http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html > From grtdane at internode.on.net Fri Apr 15 08:30:35 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2011 17:30:35 +1000 Subject: Squeezebox, Audio paradise Message-ID: <4EF6D1C0-3D93-4FD6-8C45-EA5180349485@internode.on.net> Hi! As promised here's another installment in my Squeezebox Adventure. As list members will know I have a Squeezebox Boom and I finally managed to set it up today. Setup is easy though you do need someone with vision to go through the steps required to connect the device to your network and Internet, in my case we're talking connecting the Boom obviously The wizard begins soon after power is applied, you choose a main country which seems to determine the language Squeezebox uses, if you speak English you choose U.S., if you speak Spanish you choose Mexico it seems. Next you're asked how you wish to connect the device to the network, whether that be wired or wireless, if you select wireless then you're prompted to select your wireless network, security mode, network password, whether your network is DHCP enabled and if not you're prompted to enter an IP address, all very simple. Selection of the characters is made by turning the jog dial and pressing it in. Finally you're asked to select your Country and City and then - if you have one installed - the location of your Squeezebox server, that's it! So what have I found so far? Well if anyone whines about the Squeezebox system not being accessible then they either need their head read or they need to stay away from Squeezebox and computers for the rest of their natural lives . Yep, I don't know what the buttons do on the front yet and I'm not sure what the buttons do on the remote control but I need not have worried about those things anyway, you can see your Squeezebox player or players in your account - in my case the Squeezebox Boom - and use the remote control on your Squeezebox page to do the controlling from your computer or whatever, that will suit me fine till I'm able to get more sighted assistance to tell me what all the buttons do. So now I know some ways ways of controlling the Squeezebox Boom it was time to look at other functions presented and there are many, probably one of the most interesting is the ability to select options from the menus and actually reorganise, add and delete items from the control menus, you can even set the alarm clock with multiple alarms, nice touch! So after I've had my dinner and a little rest I'm going to play with the Squeezebox Ipad app, I've been told to expect much the same access from that app as I get from the web page explained above. Ah and before I forget, I was able to add content, I've added my Itunes music library complete with playlists along with various radio stations I searched for, once I found what I wanted it was just a matter of pressing the "Add To Favourites" link and pressing one of the preset buttons on the Boom and holding it down to store the location. Cheers and sorry about the disjointed way this message has been written, so much to do, so much fun to be had and yet it seems so little time to talk about everything Squeezebox has to offer. From lynne at mac-access.net Fri Apr 15 12:52:59 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2011 12:52:59 +0100 Subject: Multiple email accounts in Mozilla Thunderbird Email client In-Reply-To: <4DA77566.9090503@internode.on.net> References: <4DA77566.9090503@internode.on.net> Message-ID: Hello Dane On 14 Apr 2011, at 23:29, Dane Trethowan wrote: ? Using Thunderbird and Window-Eyes 7.2 right now. Right; so it obviously is accessible. I heard from somebody else that there were problems with it for some reason. I gather there are scripts for it though in GW Micro's script central web directory. ? Thunderbird has no trouble whatever in handling multiple accounts and I'd go so far as to say that Thunderbird is probably the best email client there is when it comes to handling multiple accounts, so customisable. There is also nothing wrong with Apple mail in this respect. Thanks for the confirmation. Lynne From lynne at mac-access.net Fri Apr 15 13:21:38 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2011 13:21:38 +0100 Subject: iAmp Remote, Audio and Networking issues In-Reply-To: <4DA7763E.4010401@internode.on.net> References: <96DB0AAC-70F0-418D-83C5-6976476E8B9B@mac-access.net> <4DA7763E.4010401@internode.on.net> Message-ID: Hello Dane On 14 Apr 2011, at 23:33, Dane Trethowan wrote: Its just a controller to allow control of Winamp, Winamp handles the audio just as with the Apple Remote and the Apple TV, the Squeezebox Remote Control etc. Right; so you'd need something like AirFoil or AirtPlay to be able to hear the audio remotely. But that wouldn't give you video, of course which, to somebody who is blind isn't an issue I guess. That raises another issue. We have an Apple Time Capsule here and our tests have indicated, and software tells us, that that device is not capable of streaming HD video wirelessly over its network When we changed providers for connectivity we had to buy new routers which are vastly superior to the trash that is foisted on to the residential customer market by most companies. The router we now use to service our networks has absolutely no trouble with HD video. So it just shows. Lynne From lynne at mac-access.net Fri Apr 15 13:50:07 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2011 13:50:07 +0100 Subject: Internet Broadcasting In-Reply-To: <6692D520-CEF7-49A6-91DC-D6FBB704AFE6@gmail.com> References: <582C1F9D-E72C-438F-AC8A-FA11567F9342@gmail.com> <272702D0-8D74-4771-9959-82BE9532381B@gmail.com> <2E4128A0-2F85-426E-B33B-989941446D09@mac-access.net> <6E145D27-6E21-441B-80F5-FD9E2DADF806@gmail.com> <94F5E165-C7D6-43BE-A073-E011A3BE65D4@mac-access.net> <0AD2EED1-0DED-4C5A-8BCE-DEA714749726@gmail.com> <9A18EDD2-676D-4050-8A23-B73DBAAC2E66@mac-access.net> <69C3228F-E787-4495-AB24-2DE126F0A6F9@gmail.com> <93FC8801-3128-4AB3-8523-6EF1895F028E@mac-access.net> <9CC387AB-DAC0-4DAF-8D72-370C89B443BF@gmail.com> <24550621-7B63-422A-A212-A439290709F1@mac-access.net> <6692D520-CEF7-49A6-91DC-D6FBB704AFE6@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4E4CC317-E67E-4B65-9C67-1839073E0916@mac-access.net> Hello Sarah On 15 Apr 2011, at 07:12, Sarah Alawami wrote: ? lol. I have or had before my hd died over 200 gigs and growing. I want to get it up to at least a tb so I never run out of stuff lol! but take care. If my internet behaves watch the just chat space for more info on the crazy tcjwb show. lol! You know the old saying; it ain't the size that counts, it's what you do with it that really matters! :'-) ? Keep us posted and hould you have any question or need a hand in mixing let me know. Gordon can handle the mixing side of things I think. he used to work in radio professionally, so that shouldn't be a problem. But it's looking like OTS AV DJ Pro Classic. The only question now is NiceCast. We need to configure that on a machine we can use as a server and not impact on anything else. We have the machines to do that, so assuming we can set NiceCast up like that and assuming we can still get hold of the Spacial Audio plug-in for OTS, we're off and flying. Lynne From grtdane at internode.on.net Fri Apr 15 14:30:05 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2011 23:30:05 +1000 Subject: Multiple email accounts in Mozilla Thunderbird Email client In-Reply-To: References: <4DA77566.9090503@internode.on.net> Message-ID: I did some tweaking with Window-Eyes, I have a new set file load when composing a new message, if I hadn't done this then the 'Browse Mode" would come on whilst trying to compose or reply to a message, that was the only fault I really had with Thunderbird and We, an annoyance yep but something which could be fixed. With NVDA Thunderbird works right out of the box, no need for extra configurations and you do get extra information read to you that WE won't read unfortunately, at least version 7.2 doesn't read. Oh and by the way, there's no big learning kerb when it comes to using NVDA, if someone can use Voiceover or Window-Eyes then they can certainly use NVDA, yeah I do push this software a bit I admit because every time I seem to mention NVDA everyone seems to come up with 20 reasons why its worse than anything other screen reading system on the planet and why they shouldn't be using it and won't bother at least having a look . On 15/04/2011, at 9:52 PM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hello Dane > > On 14 Apr 2011, at 23:29, Dane Trethowan wrote: > > ? Using Thunderbird and Window-Eyes 7.2 right now. > > Right; so it obviously is accessible. I heard from somebody else that there were problems with it for some reason. I gather there are scripts for it though in GW Micro's script central web directory. > > ? Thunderbird has no trouble whatever in handling multiple accounts and I'd go so far as to say that Thunderbird is probably the best email client there is when it comes to handling multiple accounts, so customisable. > > There is also nothing wrong with Apple mail in this respect. > > Thanks for the confirmation. > > Lynne > > _______________________________________________ > > The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free > > To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: > http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html > From marrie12 at gmail.com Fri Apr 15 20:30:27 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2011 12:30:27 -0700 Subject: diagnosing a slow as heck internet connection Message-ID: Ok I'm very frustrated right now and hear' why. I'm on a clearspot connection which is a 4g hotspot. All was working yesterday when the connection slowed to a crawl and died completely. I reset the router about 5 times to et it to work. it works now but I can't download anything above about 60kbps and my pings are timing out. I can get about 6 to 10 mbps out of this thing and a 1mbps download and right now I feel like I'm on a dial down connection. I tried a traceroute and a ping and all of them time out 4g wise and there is some latency pinging the router as well. note, the router and the modem are all one device For those of you who use a service like VZ to access the internet when traveling you will know what I mean. so what else can I do besides scream? i have a test to take that cannot be slow on me as I need to try and get it done. Also note all the other computers are very fast except for mine and right now I'm the only one on the network and it is password protected. Take care. Sarah Alawami If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com website: http://music.marrie.org Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 From martin at x.it.okstate.edu Sat Apr 16 04:33:29 2011 From: martin at x.it.okstate.edu (Martin McCormick) Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2011 22:33:29 -0500 Subject: Internet Broadcasting Message-ID: <201104160333.p3G3XToK044448@x.it.okstate.edu> I listened to the beginning of one of the shows and noticed that the microphone level was somewhat below the music such that one needed to quickly reach for the volume when the music started. This brings me to my question which is not a criticism but a genuine question. If one is blind and using one of the internet broadcasting packages, how does it tell you about your levels? You obviously do not want an audible signal unless you can feed it into your headphones so that the listeners don't hear it. A standard VU meter indicator has certain timing built in to it so that the audio has to be present for a certain fraction of a second to even fully register and then it takes another specific amount of time to decay so that the meter is responding to average signal levels and a flashing light is usually used to indicate peaks. I don't do any studio production on my computer so my level indicator is much more crude. I run an application I wrote for just that purpose which reads the digital output of the sound card and looks for samples that are within a few counts of reaching maximum or minimum level. If it finds them, it beeps the computer speaker so it qualifies as a peak-level indicator but not a VU meter. I imagine that the internet broadcasting software can do the full VU meter emulation because it is all in the mathematics. Unless there is some sort of hook in the software or automatic peak limiting, how do you know the level is good? Back in the seventies when I worked in audio, I always thought that a good peak level indicator for one who is blind would be some sort of transducer one could place one's hands on or lay across a knee that would vibrate on peaks so that you would know when things are getting too loud but would not, itself, make some noise that would be heard over the air or in the recording. I never needed to actually try to build that device, but I think it would have worked. "Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith" writes: > hello Sarah > Posting that to Just-Chat would be just fine. As for us, we have now > discounted SPL based on what you told us about its limitations. So, it's > either Sam Broadcaster or, more likely, OTS AV DJ Pro Classic. We have a > 50GB OTS album collection ready and waiting, with lots more to add. We > also have a three-machine license for it ready and waiting. So it would > seem to make sense to go that route. From marrie12 at gmail.com Sat Apr 16 05:08:24 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2011 21:08:24 -0700 Subject: Internet Broadcasting In-Reply-To: <201104160333.p3G3XToK044448@x.it.okstate.edu> References: <201104160333.p3G3XToK044448@x.it.okstate.edu> Message-ID: <3246BC83-77FD-48F3-B54B-5C8098BF072D@gmail.com> Hmm that's a good idea. Actually I use my ears and i always ware a headset. You bring up a good point as I never can tell when I'm clipping except to have people tell me and with a simple mac mic which clips all the time? Yeah. the signal to noise ratio is a lot better with my board which I'll be using in a few weeks. Take care. Sarah Alawami If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com website: http://music.marrie.org Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 On Apr 15, 2011, at 8:33 PM, Martin McCormick wrote: > I listened to the beginning of one of the shows and > noticed that the microphone level was somewhat below the music > such that one needed to quickly reach for the volume when the > music started. This brings me to my question which is not a > criticism but a genuine question. > > If one is blind and using one of the internet > broadcasting packages, how does it tell you about your levels? > You obviously do not want an audible signal unless you can feed > it into your headphones so that the listeners don't hear it. A > standard VU meter indicator has certain timing built in to it so > that the audio has to be present for a certain fraction of a > second to even fully register and then it takes another specific > amount of time to decay so that the meter is responding to > average signal levels and a flashing light is usually used to > indicate peaks. > > I don't do any studio production on my computer so my > level indicator is much more crude. I run an application I wrote > for just that purpose which reads the digital output of the > sound card and looks for samples that are within a few counts of > reaching maximum or minimum level. If it finds them, it beeps the > computer speaker so it qualifies as a peak-level indicator but > not a VU meter. > > I imagine that the internet broadcasting software can do > the full VU meter emulation because it is all in the mathematics. > Unless there is some sort of hook in the software or automatic > peak limiting, how do you know the level is good? > > Back in the seventies when I worked in audio, I always > thought that a good peak level indicator for one who is blind > would be some sort of transducer one could place one's hands on > or lay across a knee that would vibrate on peaks so that you > would know when things are getting too loud but would not, > itself, make some noise that would be heard over the air or in > the recording. > > I never needed to actually try to build that device, but > I think it would have worked. > "Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith" writes: >> hello Sarah >> Posting that to Just-Chat would be just fine. As for us, we have now >> discounted SPL based on what you told us about its limitations. So, it's >> either Sam Broadcaster or, more likely, OTS AV DJ Pro Classic. We have a >> 50GB OTS album collection ready and waiting, with lots more to add. We >> also have a three-machine license for it ready and waiting. So it would >> seem to make sense to go that route. > _______________________________________________ > > The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free > > To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: > http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html > From gordon at mac-access.net Sat Apr 16 12:56:30 2011 From: gordon at mac-access.net (Gordon Smith) Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2011 12:56:30 +0100 Subject: Internet Broadcasting In-Reply-To: <201104160333.p3G3XToK044448@x.it.okstate.edu> References: <201104160333.p3G3XToK044448@x.it.okstate.edu> Message-ID: Hi Martin On my 64-channel mixer desk, we did a mod to it ages ago. A friend of mine added an audible indicator which feeds directly into the headphones output line. It uses 2 tones, and you tune for 0-beat. When you're at 0-beat, you know that the VU meter is within the "Green Zone". I have a little button which I can press and it mutes the music audio in the headphones and I only hear the VU indicator. But I know that the active input is the one I'm tuning for. In other words, if I set channel 2 and go into queue mode, then the VU indicator is focussed only on that channel. It's something which a friend and I did as part of his graduation project from Teesside University about 6 years ago and it has served me totally since then. It's interesting actually because we had to do quite a bit of disassembly of the mixer in order to get this installed. But the mixer is designed in modular form, so it was just a case of tapping the outputs from each line individually and that was the difficult bit. Fortunately John is something of an expert in PIC logic programming as well as IC logic. So he was able to design the logic for the VU for me without too much difficulty. It's just a case of sampling the signals and calculating the average and optimum levels. This is one of a kind actually, which is why I'm so keen to keep this desk in good order. John now works for British Sky Broadcasting in London, as a technical design engineer. He is one of a three-man team that does all the programming of Sky's digibox firmware. Anyway, I am rambling. Gordon On 16 Apr 2011, at 04:33, Martin McCormick wrote: I listened to the beginning of one of the shows and noticed that the microphone level was somewhat below the music such that one needed to quickly reach for the volume when the music started. This brings me to my question which is not a criticism but a genuine question. If one is blind and using one of the internet broadcasting packages, how does it tell you about your levels? You obviously do not want an audible signal unless you can feed it into your headphones so that the listeners don't hear it. A standard VU meter indicator has certain timing built in to it so that the audio has to be present for a certain fraction of a second to even fully register and then it takes another specific amount of time to decay so that the meter is responding to average signal levels and a flashing light is usually used to indicate peaks. I don't do any studio production on my computer so my level indicator is much more crude. I run an application I wrote for just that purpose which reads the digital output of the sound card and looks for samples that are within a few counts of reaching maximum or minimum level. If it finds them, it beeps the computer speaker so it qualifies as a peak-level indicator but not a VU meter. I imagine that the internet broadcasting software can do the full VU meter emulation because it is all in the mathematics. Unless there is some sort of hook in the software or automatic peak limiting, how do you know the level is good? Back in the seventies when I worked in audio, I always thought that a good peak level indicator for one who is blind would be some sort of transducer one could place one's hands on or lay across a knee that would vibrate on peaks so that you would know when things are getting too loud but would not, itself, make some noise that would be heard over the air or in the recording. I never needed to actually try to build that device, but I think it would have worked. "Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith" writes: > hello Sarah > Posting that to Just-Chat would be just fine. As for us, we have now > discounted SPL based on what you told us about its limitations. So, it's > either Sam Broadcaster or, more likely, OTS AV DJ Pro Classic. We have a > 50GB OTS album collection ready and waiting, with lots more to add. We > also have a three-machine license for it ready and waiting. So it would > seem to make sense to go that route. _______________________________________________ The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html From gordon at mac-access.net Sat Apr 16 20:26:02 2011 From: gordon at mac-access.net (Gordon Smith) Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2011 20:26:02 +0100 Subject: diagnosing a slow as heck internet connection In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49EC3AB6-2C3C-4966-A7DC-221F119BDB67@mac-access.net> Hi Sarah Is this machine Mac or Windows? Makes a difference as to the procedures. Gordon On 15 Apr 2011, at 20:30, Sarah Alawami wrote: Ok I'm very frustrated right now and hear' why. I'm on a clearspot connection which is a 4g hotspot. All was working yesterday when the connection slowed to a crawl and died completely. I reset the router about 5 times to et it to work. it works now but I can't download anything above about 60kbps and my pings are timing out. I can get about 6 to 10 mbps out of this thing and a 1mbps download and right now I feel like I'm on a dial down connection. I tried a traceroute and a ping and all of them time out 4g wise and there is some latency pinging the router as well. note, the router and the modem are all one device For those of you who use a service like VZ to access the internet when traveling you will know what I mean. so what else can I do besides scream? i have a test to take that cannot be slow on me as I need to try and get it done. Also note all the other computers are very fast except for mine and right now I'm the only one on the network and it is password protected. Take care. Sarah Alawami If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com website: http://music.marrie.org Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 _______________________________________________ The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html From martin at x.it.okstate.edu Sat Apr 16 23:24:09 2011 From: martin at x.it.okstate.edu (Martin McCormick) Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2011 17:24:09 -0500 Subject: Internet Broadcasting Message-ID: <201104162224.p3GMO9w5048974@x.it.okstate.edu> That sounds like a perfect approach. I have done a very little PIC programming, myself, and those processors are solutions just begging to be used to do cool things. One 8-pin package has an A/D converter in it that one could easily use for this purpose although 8 pins mean you don't have many other connection possibilities since 2 pins are Power and Ground and a third is a Reset pin although you can program it to be something else if you never need the reset. The tones only need one pin as an output and you're in business since the software determines the pitch of the tone or whether there even is a tone. The logic of selecting 1 of 64 outputs before they go to the mixer busses is also really neat but I hope you can also read your master level with that circuit as mixed signals will sometimes produce signal peaks that are the sum of one or more channels. I saw a program, once, on our NASA Channel in which they were talking about audio mixing for some reason and there is an actual formula for how much louder the output of the mixer is when multiple signals of the same level are all mixed. I don't remember much about it, but I was kind of surprised that they were talking about this on the NASA Channel which is usually various programs about space exploration. Anyway, thanks for the description. Gordon Smith writes: > On my 64-channel mixer desk, we did a mod to it ages ago. A friend of > mine added an audible indicator which feeds directly into the headphones > output line. It uses 2 tones, and you tune for 0-beat. When you're at > 0-beat, you know that the VU meter is within the "Green Zone". From grtdane at internode.on.net Sun Apr 17 02:08:58 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2011 11:08:58 +1000 Subject: MP3 Tunes Message-ID: <4DAA3DAA.4080901@internode.on.net> Hi! Found this service through my Squeezebox account and was wondering if anyone had used it? I've signed up for a basic "MP3 Tunes Locker" to try some of the services on offer. MP3 Tunes seems to be a cloud for your MP3 or Itunes collection, you can obviously upload and download what you need when you need it to whatever devices you need your content on and the service entegrates seamlessly with the functionality of your Squeezebox system if you have one. I'm about to explore the other services offered by MP3 tunes. Prices for clouds are reasonable, the free account gives you 1GB of space and the premium accounts go up to 200GB of space, you can pay for those monthly or yearly. At present I have all my music content on Dropbox with a professional account there but I may consider changing this. From tsiegel at softcon.com Sun Apr 17 05:51:31 2011 From: tsiegel at softcon.com (Travis Siegel) Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2011 23:51:31 -0500 Subject: GW Micro; What A Ta-do! In-Reply-To: <89ECAD4E-FA32-489B-8AE8-8F049D297061@mac-access.net> References: <89ECAD4E-FA32-489B-8AE8-8F049D297061@mac-access.net> Message-ID: Yeah, I had a run in with gwmicro a few years ago, and will no longer use their products either. I had no less than 3 monthly serial codes that did not work, thereby robbing me of 100 bucks a pop for those monthly codes. I also did not receive the new version of we when it came out (I had 5.5, and 6.0 came out during my purchase plan) As a result, I still don't have a fully licensed version of we, since I was unable to complete the purchase process via this method, I'm still stuck with 5.5 demo version, and although they did offer to allow me to continue my purchase plan (once) I did not do so, because they would not replace the codes that had been wasted since after plugging them into we, it worked only until I rebooted the machine, at which point my 100 bucks went down the drain, because it reverted back to the demo wanting another code. I won't use them again, nor will I give anymore dollars to those crooks at fseither, since their update twice a year whether it's needed or not philosophy is irritating, and they never fix older versions once the new one comes out. Screen readers on windows just aren't my lucky area apparently. Even the source license I paid for didn't turn out well, and those funds are gone too. That's largely why I stay away from windows these days, and just stick to osx, it works w/nothing additional, and I have the ability to do what I need to do, and I don't even need to wrestle with upgrade fees for the screen reader. What a relief. From lynne at mac-access.net Sun Apr 17 08:51:15 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2011 08:51:15 +0100 Subject: GW Micro; What A Ta-do! In-Reply-To: References: <89ECAD4E-FA32-489B-8AE8-8F049D297061@mac-access.net> Message-ID: Hello Travis & all Firstly; we must be very careful, I think, not to get into a situation where we are company bashing without giving that company opportunity of regress. That said, I appreciate the frustrations; especially true, I suppose, when you lose money. I just can't understand why a commercial organisation which relies on its customers in order to survive, (as most companies do, of course), would deliberately alienate even one of them. The best and, conversely, worst form of advertising is word of mouth. It only takes one dissatisfied customer who, whether justifiably or otherwise has a bit of a bee in their bonnet about that company, and a lot of potential business could be lost owing in no small way to that customer's negative testimony. I am sorry to hear that you had a disagreement with GW Micro; along similar lines to Gordon's with Freedom Scientific and Sight & Sound here in the UK. Those two companies between them managed to contrive to re-sell an active and valid serial number. They also refused to do anything about it I gather. But that was a long time ago, and life moves on. Lynne On 17 Apr 2011, at 05:51, Travis Siegel wrote: ? Yeah, I had a run in with gwmicro a few years ago, and will no longer use their products either. I had no less than 3 monthly serial codes that did not work, thereby robbing me of 100 bucks a pop for those monthly codes. I also did not receive the new version of we when it came out (I had 5.5, and 6.0 came out during my purchase plan) As a result, I still don't have a fully licensed version of we, since I was unable to complete the purchase process via this method, I'm still stuck with 5.5 demo version, and although they did offer to allow me to continue my purchase plan (once) I did not do so, because they would not replace the codes that had been wasted since after plugging them into we, it worked only until I rebooted the machine, at which point my 100 bucks went down the drain, because it reverted back to the demo wanting another code. I won't use them again, nor will I give anymore dollars to those crooks at fseither, since their update twice a year whether it's needed or not philosophy is irritating, and they never fix older versions once the new one comes out. Screen readers on windows just aren't my lucky area apparently. Even the source license I paid for didn't turn out well, and those funds are gone too. That's largely why I stay away from windows these days, and just stick to osx, it works w/nothing additional, and I have the ability to do what I need to do, and I don't even need to wrestle with upgrade fees for the screen reader. What a relief. From martin at x.it.okstate.edu Sun Apr 17 14:51:42 2011 From: martin at x.it.okstate.edu (Martin McCormick) Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2011 08:51:42 -0500 Subject: GW Micro; What A Ta-do! Message-ID: <201104171351.p3HDpgKH052437@x.it.okstate.edu> I have never understood that philosophy either. These accessibility companies all seem to play the same game or at least play the game from the same play book. Part of it is that much of their business comes from institutions and government agencies which is the only way they can get the kind of money they get on the small large-scale economy they operate under I guess if you try to put yourself in their shoes, everybody is a lier and we can't let one Penny slip through our fingers. The trouble with that is that we all pick up on that attitude quickly so there is no loyalty here. It's like blood money or a common expression here that goes, "my way or the highway." I remember a shop keeper in a town I used to live in that sold me a socket for a TO3 power transistor. It was in a blister pack so he offered to break it open so I could tell whether it was what I wanted. I said something about I would take the chance but he said, "You sure don't have to buy it if it is not what you need." He would have basically had to eat that part since it was no longer in its proper packaging, but he voluntarily took the risk. It turned out to be exactly the right part but I remember the attitude over 40 years later. If these companies used the idea that yes, occasionally we are going to eat a sale, their clientele will notice that also and tell everybody else that these guys are top notch. The liers out there will play their game once too many times and it all does eventually shake out. By the way, I should appologize about my spelling. I noticed that the spell checker hit on liers. The problem is that there are people who lie and then there are stringed instruments and I think that is possibly liars. Spell checkers don't think for us yet. "Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith" writes: > Firstly; we must be very careful, I think, not to get into a situation > where we are company bashing without giving that company opportunity of > regress. From marrie12 at gmail.com Mon Apr 18 00:25:43 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2011 16:25:43 -0700 Subject: diagnosing a slow as heck internet connection In-Reply-To: <49EC3AB6-2C3C-4966-A7DC-221F119BDB67@mac-access.net> References: <49EC3AB6-2C3C-4966-A7DC-221F119BDB67@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <5FD57E15-0DAC-4D8A-B9F5-1C67CEEA4B66@gmail.com> Well it fixed itself the next day so I really don't knwo what happened. It looks like the 4g hotspot was just decing to crap out that day. but if this happens again I'm calling clear and canceling my services! Sarah Alawami If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com website: http://music.marrie.org Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 On Apr 16, 2011, at 12:26 PM, Gordon Smith wrote: > Hi Sarah > > Is this machine Mac or Windows? Makes a difference as to the procedures. > > Gordon > > On 15 Apr 2011, at 20:30, Sarah Alawami wrote: > > Ok I'm very frustrated right now and hear' why. > > I'm on a clearspot connection which is a 4g hotspot. All was working yesterday when the connection slowed to a crawl and died completely. I reset the router about 5 times to et it to work. it works now but I can't download anything above about 60kbps and my pings are timing out. I can get about 6 to 10 mbps out of this thing and a 1mbps download and right now I feel like I'm on a dial down connection. I tried a traceroute and a ping and all of them time out 4g wise and there is some latency pinging the router as well. note, the router and the modem are all one device For those of you who use a service like VZ to access the internet when traveling you will know what I mean. > > so what else can I do besides scream? i have a test to take that cannot be slow on me as I need to try and get it done. > > Also note all the other computers are very fast except for mine and right now I'm the only one on the network and it is password protected. > > Take care. > Sarah Alawami > > If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. > > MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com > > website: http://music.marrie.org > Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com > youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 > > _______________________________________________ > > The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free > > To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: > http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html > > > _______________________________________________ > > The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free > > To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: > http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html > From grtdane at internode.on.net Tue Apr 19 18:07:18 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2011 03:07:18 +1000 Subject: Reaper Multi Track Recording software Message-ID: <6015CA2C-5873-4F74-814E-95C6FCA2F4DA@internode.on.net> Hi Everyone! Been looking at this software both for Mac and Windows over the last day or so and I'm pretty impressed with what I've found thus far, so it seems are other people . I offer a link to the following tutorial though I'm sure its for the Windows version and not the Mac, still its a good start. Cheers! From marrie12 at gmail.com Tue Apr 19 20:50:21 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2011 12:50:21 -0700 Subject: archive dot org: a question about posting files Message-ID: <6615E9F9-41B5-4158-AE93-84B2D3FD46FE@gmail.com> Ok I'm moving some of my podcasts to www.archive.org. I messed up so here's the drill and question I created a folder called tcjwb_04-18-2011 thinking I could just upload that one item. Now what do I do for the week before and the remaining year ahead? also can I remove those files from there, or are they there to stay? Take care Sarah Alawami If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com website: http://music.marrie.org Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 From marrie12 at gmail.com Tue Apr 19 21:23:35 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2011 13:23:35 -0700 Subject: New improved Facebook view in Skype for Windows Message-ID: from the skype big blog: New improved Facebook view in Skype for Windows We?ve just rolled out an update to the Facebook tab in Skype for Windows, which introduces a brand new look. The Facebook tab brings your news feed in to Skype, and lets you ? see, comment on and Like your friends? posts ? see your friends? check-ins to Facebook Places ? call your friends on their mobile or landline directly from the news feed ? if they?re also using the Facebook tab, you?ll be able to make a free Skype-to-Skype voice or video call The new interface is faster than before, and lets you see more content in the same amount of screen space. If you don?t see the Facebook tab in Skype, make sure you?ve downloaded the latest version of Skype, which includes Facebook as well as group video calling and more. From gordon at mac-access.net Thu Apr 21 12:53:13 2011 From: gordon at mac-access.net (Gordon Smith) Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2011 12:53:13 +0100 Subject: Mama's Got a Squeezebox! Message-ID: Been singing the old song by the Who all day. The Squeezebox Boom has just arrived and I have to say that we won't be buying anything else from Conrad Electronics. If you're in the uK, and if you use Amazon resellers, I suggest you avoid that company. Their after-sales service support is appalling. They send valuable items uninsured, poorly packaged and via non-registered delivery in standard Parcel Force mail. Anyway, it is here, so I'd better break with tradition and read the manual. Anybody else got one of those things? Gordon From grtdane at internode.on.net Thu Apr 21 13:51:09 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2011 22:51:09 +1000 Subject: Mama's Got a Squeezebox! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A922496-E51A-48E4-A25A-6A50A0BDEE94@internode.on.net> Yes, even the company I bought mine from did better than that, mine came in 2 boxes with loads of that awful packing foam stuff but it was ensured. One of the first things you'll want to do is to download the Squeezebox Server software at http://www.mysqueezebox.com and follow the "My Music" link. When on the site take the time to set up your "My Squeezebox" account. Installing the server software is straight forward and its available for the Mac or Windows, you use this software for streaming of stuff from your computer and it acts as a bridge between Squeezebox systems and your computer. You can skip this step and just use the Squeezebox Boom directly with your account on the web also but I prefer the server as it gives you far more control over what you hear. Okay, next connect the Squeezebox Boom to power and get someone with vision to go through the "Setup Wizard", this guides you through connecting the Squeezebox Boom to your network. Make sure that the Squeezebox Server is running, once Squeezebox Boom is connected it should pick up the server on your network, if the server is not running then Squeezebox Boom will ask you to enter email address and password of your Squeezebox account you created on the web. From here the rest should be pretty straight forward, control the settings of your Boom from your Squeezebox account at www.mysqueezebox.com and control your music etc from the server. On 21/04/2011, at 9:53 PM, Gordon Smith wrote: > Been singing the old song by the Who all day. The Squeezebox Boom has just arrived and I have to say that we won't be buying anything else from Conrad Electronics. > > If you're in the uK, and if you use Amazon resellers, I suggest you avoid that company. Their after-sales service support is appalling. They send valuable items uninsured, poorly packaged and via non-registered delivery in standard Parcel Force mail. > > Anyway, it is here, so I'd better break with tradition and read the manual. Anybody else got one of those things? > > Gordon > > > _______________________________________________ > > The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free > > To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: > http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html > From gordon at mac-access.net Thu Apr 21 14:24:00 2011 From: gordon at mac-access.net (Gordon Smith) Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2011 14:24:00 +0100 Subject: Mama's Got a Squeezebox! In-Reply-To: <4A922496-E51A-48E4-A25A-6A50A0BDEE94@internode.on.net> References: <4A922496-E51A-48E4-A25A-6A50A0BDEE94@internode.on.net> Message-ID: <43111988-8978-4BE8-8F80-92C4F5DED027@mac-access.net> Hi Dane I've not had a chance to set it up yet. I am awaiting the return of eyes. But I I did set up my account on the Squeezebox site, in case there wasn't a mac version of the server. I'll go get that now and configure it all. On 21 Apr 2011, at 13:51, Dane Trethowan wrote: Yes, even the company I bought mine from did better than that, mine came in 2 boxes with loads of that awful packing foam stuff but it was ensured. One of the first things you'll want to do is to download the Squeezebox Server software at http://www.mysqueezebox.com and follow the "My Music" link. When on the site take the time to set up your "My Squeezebox" account. Installing the server software is straight forward and its available for the Mac or Windows, you use this software for streaming of stuff from your computer and it acts as a bridge between Squeezebox systems and your computer. You can skip this step and just use the Squeezebox Boom directly with your account on the web also but I prefer the server as it gives you far more control over what you hear. Okay, next connect the Squeezebox Boom to power and get someone with vision to go through the "Setup Wizard", this guides you through connecting the Squeezebox Boom to your network. Make sure that the Squeezebox Server is running, once Squeezebox Boom is connected it should pick up the server on your network, if the server is not running then Squeezebox Boom will ask you to enter email address and password of your Squeezebox account you created on the web. From here the rest should be pretty straight forward, control the settings of your Boom from your Squeezebox account at www.mysqueezebox.com and control your music etc from the server. On 21/04/2011, at 9:53 PM, Gordon Smith wrote: > Been singing the old song by the Who all day. The Squeezebox Boom has just arrived and I have to say that we won't be buying anything else from Conrad Electronics. > > If you're in the uK, and if you use Amazon resellers, I suggest you avoid that company. Their after-sales service support is appalling. They send valuable items uninsured, poorly packaged and via non-registered delivery in standard Parcel Force mail. > > Anyway, it is here, so I'd better break with tradition and read the manual. Anybody else got one of those things? > > Gordon > > > _______________________________________________ > > The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free > > To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: > http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html > _______________________________________________ The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html From grtdane at internode.on.net Thu Apr 21 14:26:28 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2011 23:26:28 +1000 Subject: Mama's Got a Squeezebox! In-Reply-To: <43111988-8978-4BE8-8F80-92C4F5DED027@mac-access.net> References: <4A922496-E51A-48E4-A25A-6A50A0BDEE94@internode.on.net> <43111988-8978-4BE8-8F80-92C4F5DED027@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <44A1A34E-75DA-4F05-A9BA-6B3B09244CAE@internode.on.net> Yep, the server is multi platform, versions for Windows, Mac and LINUX, all of which are accessible though the Windows version requires a lot of mouse movement and clicking, nothing that a good piece of Screen Reading software can't handle . On 21/04/2011, at 11:24 PM, Gordon Smith wrote: > Hi Dane > > I've not had a chance to set it up yet. I am awaiting the return of eyes. But I I did set up my account on the Squeezebox site, in case there wasn't a mac version of the server. > > I'll go get that now and configure it all. > > On 21 Apr 2011, at 13:51, Dane Trethowan wrote: > > Yes, even the company I bought mine from did better than that, mine came in 2 boxes with loads of that awful packing foam stuff but it was ensured. > > One of the first things you'll want to do is to download the Squeezebox Server software at http://www.mysqueezebox.com and follow the "My Music" link. > > When on the site take the time to set up your "My Squeezebox" account. > > Installing the server software is straight forward and its available for the Mac or Windows, you use this software for streaming of stuff from your computer and it acts as a bridge between Squeezebox systems and your computer. > > You can skip this step and just use the Squeezebox Boom directly with your account on the web also but I prefer the server as it gives you far more control over what you hear. > > Okay, next connect the Squeezebox Boom to power and get someone with vision to go through the "Setup Wizard", this guides you through connecting the Squeezebox Boom to your network. > > Make sure that the Squeezebox Server is running, once Squeezebox Boom is connected it should pick up the server on your network, if the server is not running then Squeezebox Boom will ask you to enter email address and password of your Squeezebox account you created on the web. > > From here the rest should be pretty straight forward, control the settings of your Boom from your Squeezebox account at www.mysqueezebox.com and control your music etc from the server. > > > On 21/04/2011, at 9:53 PM, Gordon Smith wrote: > >> Been singing the old song by the Who all day. The Squeezebox Boom has just arrived and I have to say that we won't be buying anything else from Conrad Electronics. >> >> If you're in the uK, and if you use Amazon resellers, I suggest you avoid that company. Their after-sales service support is appalling. They send valuable items uninsured, poorly packaged and via non-registered delivery in standard Parcel Force mail. >> >> Anyway, it is here, so I'd better break with tradition and read the manual. Anybody else got one of those things? >> >> Gordon >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free >> >> To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: >> http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html >> > > _______________________________________________ > > The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free > > To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: > http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html > > > _______________________________________________ > > The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free > > To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: > http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html > From grtdane at internode.on.net Thu Apr 21 16:35:34 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2011 01:35:34 +1000 Subject: Media Centre with Windows 7 Message-ID: <4DB04EC6.7010504@internode.on.net> Hi! Anyone tried this? I beleive it is fully accessible and gives you very good control over audio and video devices, may even work with Slingbox for all I know, I don't have Windows 7 as yet . From martin at x.it.okstate.edu Thu Apr 21 20:56:09 2011 From: martin at x.it.okstate.edu (Martin McCormick) Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2011 14:56:09 -0500 Subject: Mama's Got a Squeezebox! Message-ID: <201104211956.p3LJu9da081918@x.it.okstate.edu> What a remarkable piece of gear. You bought one in the UK and haven't even turned it on yet and now, I can almost hear every note of that song 4,000 miles away. From lynne at mac-access.net Fri Apr 22 14:01:26 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2011 14:01:26 +0100 Subject: Media Centre with Windows 7 In-Reply-To: <4DB04EC6.7010504@internode.on.net> References: <4DB04EC6.7010504@internode.on.net> Message-ID: <74180E6B-3E8E-4DF1-A9B3-7C02B617BB48@mac-access.net> Hello Dane On 21 Apr 2011, at 16:35, Dane Trethowan wrote: ? Anyone tried this? I beleive it is fully accessible and gives you very good control over audio and video devices, may even work with Slingbox for all I know, I don't have Windows 7 as yet . It does not work with the Slingbox which is a network device not directly attach to the machine. Lynne From grtdane at internode.on.net Sat Apr 23 19:57:47 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2011 04:57:47 +1000 Subject: Using Window-Eyes 7.5 Message-ID: <4DB3212B.4020306@internode.on.net> Only been using it for a few minutes and all I can say is thank Goodness for the new Interface which allows users to change settings and find them quickly and easily, this is a change I've been hoping for and suggesting to GW Micro for ages. Before when you went into the WE Control panel all you got was absolutely nothing and it was up to you to go through the menu system to find what you wanted, change it and then take appropriate actions to save the set file or whatever. Now all the user need do is to scroll through the tree of options, collapsing and expanding where appropriate until what the user is after is found, the user can then change the setting and press the save or minimise button as desired, excellent! Like the new "Start-up" wizard which I assume runs for the first time when WE 7.5 is installed, allowing the user to select basic settings including voice synthesiser, Braille display, speaking rate, pitch and so on. Will be updating to Windows Internet Explorer 9 shortly, the new version of WE is supposed to have support for that though at this time I've not seen any mention of Firefox 4. From grtdane at internode.on.net Mon Apr 25 20:02:16 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2011 05:02:16 +1000 Subject: Mozilla Firefox 4 for Windows Message-ID: <4DB5C538.2020209@internode.on.net> Hi! Just installed this and all I can say is "Its Fast!", no problems with accessibility either as far as I know. From marrie12 at gmail.com Mon Apr 25 20:34:26 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2011 12:34:26 -0700 Subject: Mozilla Firefox 4 for Windows In-Reply-To: <4DB5C538.2020209@internode.on.net> References: <4DB5C538.2020209@internode.on.net> Message-ID: I can attest to that. Now if mozilla would make there other platforms usable I'd be a happy camper. No need to go to windows just to fill out a captcha lol! but I have to say that mozilla firefox is very very fast and webvisum works on it with out flaws. Sarah Alawami If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com website: http://music.marrie.org Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 On Apr 25, 2011, at 12:02 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote: > Hi! > > Just installed this and all I can say is "Its Fast!", no problems with accessibility either as far as I know. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free > > To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: > http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html > From marrie12 at gmail.com Mon Apr 25 21:01:00 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2011 13:01:00 -0700 Subject: The Ten Deadly Sins of Mobile Video Calling - Sins 1-5: Technology Message-ID: <440AEC9C-D3AF-49EB-AD14-5C19CCBC8E34@gmail.com> This is an interesting article. I don't know much about this topic but it is a good read anyway. The Ten Deadly Sins of Mobile Video Calling - Sins 1-5: Technology Since the dawn of humanity, mankind has always sought to communicate. Back in the beginning, things were simple. Grunts, pointing of fingers, clubbing on the head. Primitive, but it got the message across. Mankind quickly discovered that it needed a way to communicate when the other person isn't right next to you. And so began a long series of inventions over centuries of time. Cave drawings, the written word, paper, the postal system and finally the arrival of electronic communications: The telegraph, the telephone. The telephone network was virtually transformed from the inside out when it went digital in the middle of the 20th century. The next big revolution, of course, was mobile calling and the arrival of cellular networks. Ultimately it still provided the same old service as the wired telephone network did, but you could take it with you. With the Internet, a whole host of new communications services emerged - most notably email and IM. Ultimately though, these were just different manifestations of an old idea - sending text from one person to another. The telegraph had that too, decades prior. It just wasn't quite as easy to use. The Internet also brought the arrival of Voice over IP. In many ways, Voice over IP has been hugely successful. But when we look at it closely, it is also - to a large degree - another repackaging of what we have already been doing - voice, communicated over a distance. It got cheaper, and it got easier to use. But, was it really more - was it really better? Not really. And that's what's startling here. When we look at communications, especially in modern times, what we find is that there have been huge advances in the things that surround real-time communications, but not the communications itself. Look at the mobile phone. This is a technology whose change over the last 20 years - even the last decade - is nothing short of phenomenal. Compare the original Motorola brick phone to the iPhone 4 - astounding. But as a phone - as a service for communications - you get almost the same experience. 20 years ago, we dialed numbers and we got tinny voice conversations. Today I get the same experience. One of the things Skype is doing is trying to make this calling experience better. With the SILK codec, we've introduced super-wideband voice calling to mobile devices around the world, enabling crisper conversations, easier interpretation of accents and an overall high quality voice experience. But voice is just the first step. To more fundamentally transform the communications experience, we needed to add video. And so we did. The idea of video calling is certainly not new. The first videophone was shown at the World's Fair in 1964 - ages ago. The technology wasn't there yet, and it is only in recent years that video communications has gone mainstream. How mainstream? Well - let me share some of our statistics. On average, 42% of Skype-to-Skype calls include video* and the number is probably even higher at peak times - around New Year celebrations, for example. And, Skype-to-Skype calling minutes are equivalent to approximately 20% of all global international PSTN and Skype-to-Skype calling minutes.** Where video is going next is mobile. 2010 was undoubtedly the year that video calling arrived on mobile. Mobile video calling is also not new - we've seen a long line of failed mobile video products over many years. But we're still at the beginning of mobile video. Getting mobile video right is actually really hard. Indeed, there are - in essence - ten deadly sins of mobile video, each of which, if not adequately addressed, can stop the technology dead in its tracks. They fall into three categories, which I'll explore in this blog post and two more later this week. The first bunch of them are related to technology. Sin 1: No cameras Simple, but a big deal. Without a camera in the front of the phone, you are simply not going to have a video conference call. You might have a see-what-I-see experience using the rear camera - and Qik is great for this - but you really want both. Though phones with front facing cameras have been available outside of the US, they were never mainstream and never made their way stateside. That changed (finally) last year with the iPhone4 and iPod touch, which brought front facing cameras mainstream. Android phones have caught on now too, and we're seeing a bunch of them roll out now with front facing cameras. Great - and fortunately for us, advancements in technology are squashing this sin. Sin 2: Lousy screens Video needs screen real estate. Until recently, we just didn't have it. Prior to the arrival of devices like the iPhone and the Motorola DROID, screens were generally small and had meager resolutions too. Now, we finally have what we need - screens which are the size of the phone with resolutions that can show video crisp enough to see the smile on someone's face. And so, once again, general advancements in technology have addressed this problem too. Sin 3: Slow networks Video needs a lot more bandwidth than voice. Our iPhone app needs about 600Kb/s to make a decent video call. Until a few years ago, you just couldn't get that kind of speed on a mobile phone. Two things have addressed this: ? The arrival of 3G cellular networks, which often (but not always) have enough bandwidth to carry a mobile video call. ? The widespread availabiity of WiFi on smartphones. WiFi is not without problems, but at least it tends to provide the bandwidth needed for a video call. Fortunately, many calls - video or otherwise - happen in either the home or the workplace. Those are the two places many users have WiFi enabled on their phones. Put together, WiFi and 3G cellular networks mean that bandwidth is available in many more locations, making video calls possible. Sin 4: Slow processors Video not only requires more bandwidth than voice; it requires more CPU resources too. Encoding a QVGA video stream on a typical smartphone consumes a sizeable percentage of the CPU resources when performed in the main processor. Higher resolutions are out of reach of the CPU, and require hardware assistance from dedicated encoding chips. To be fair, this isn't just a problem for mobile phones - it's still a problem for PCs. The typical modern PC is still not powerful enough to encode an HD video stream in realtime. Even VGA doesn't work on many PCs yet. No surprise that it is barely possible on the majority of mobile devices. The situation around hardware acceleration of video encoding and decoding is also a big problem right now. On some platforms, there is hardware accelerated functionality, but it is not available to third-party applications like Skype, and iOS is an example of this. Facetime uses hardware acceleration to improve quality, but those improvements are not available through the iOS API. The problem isn't just about raw CPU horsepower. It's also about latency. Realtime communications - both voice and video - are really sensitive to delays. For an ideal experience, you want the amount of time it takes between when one person speaks to when the other person hears to be under 150 milliseconds. Think about it like this: In order to have a mobile video call, video frames must be captured from the camera, sent through the phone hardware, and processed by the software on the phone - on both sides, all in a timely fashion. Unfortunately, the video camera systems on many phones were designed for streaming video and recording, which has much more relaxed delay requirements. As a result, many phones on the market today have hundreds of milliseconds of delay just for capturing a video frame and making it available to the software on the phone. The problem is even more complex on Android, where the variety of different phones, each with differing hardware and designs, make life even harder for developers like Skype. Sin 5: Poor UI It's amazing how easy it is to design a bad UI. The UI for mobile video has to make it dead simple to use. It's easy to focus on the obvious stuff - selecting contacts, making the call, hanging up the call. But the harder stuff has to be handled too. The biggest hurdle is figuring out whether the person you want to call has the right equipment in the first place. This isn't specific to video - it has been a major complaint of users in adoption of online communication products in general. For video, we now have to factor in the question of whether the person you want to call has a camera or not. Does the device they are on even support video? How do you let the person you want to call know that everything is 'ready' in intuitive ways? How do you identify and find people who you can call? Then there are other complexities - do you allow people to make voice-only calls? What about shutting off video? How does the other side know that a video shut-off is not a consequence of a problem? Should you let them know that the sender cancelled their video or does that complicate the UI? How do you let the other side know that your video is being received? These problems are surmountable, but will require time and investment in UI. These items - the cameras, the screens, the processors, the networks, and the UI - all of them are likely to improve over time with the never-ending improvements in technology. However, even if we eliminate all of these problems, there are others which technology itself is unlikely to solve. Those are the problems I'll be covering in my next posts. * For the fourth quarter 2010 ** TeleGeography, January 2011 From marrie12 at gmail.com Tue Apr 26 07:15:24 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2011 23:15:24 -0700 Subject: Dropbox Attempts to Kill Open Source Project Message-ID: <740C1D75-3567-41A8-9426-3EC573BA4B3B@gmail.com> Reading the license I think dropbox was in the wrong on this one. read more. http://bit.ly/ifcFjv From grtdane at internode.on.net Wed Apr 27 19:00:30 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 04:00:30 +1000 Subject: More on the Squeezebox Boom Message-ID: <4DB859BE.1080105@internode.on.net> Hi Everyone! As I dig deeper into the Squeezebox Boom and associated system I thought I'd update you all on how I'm going, I'm also updating my blog at frequent intervals with articles on this topic and others so you may wish to drop by from time-to-time to see what's happening and leave feedback, Unfortunately I was denyed access to my Squeezebox Boom for a week because I accidentally selected the wrong option from a menu with the Squeezebox remote controller unit, this option disconnected the Boom unit from the server thus information had to be entered again with visual assistance, that's my only gripe about the Boom so I set out to ensure if I could that the accidental disconnection would never happen again and yep I managed to do this by using my Squeezebox account on the web to customise the menu system. When you customise the menu system you can do everything from reorder the menu structure to add and delete menu items, so how does this help a blind person? It helps because when you enter the menu system either via the remote controller unit of the Squeezebox Boom or via the front pannel controls you know exactly what's available and where it is. For instance, I know that when I go into the menu system the first menu of options available is the "Favourites" menu, actually its the only 1 there so from that point? Well its just a matter of selecting the favourite - whether that be a radio stream or song from my Itunes library, album etc - I wish to hear. Again, no speech feedback but I can remember in what order I put things and I can rearange the order from my Squeezebox account if I want to, adding or deleting favourites where appropriate. I also managed to get the premium services of Sky.FM working successfully with the Squeezebox system though it took a little fiddling around to get going, I won't go into it all now but its like a lot of other things, once you know you're way around its perfectly accessible and logical, for more information on Sky.fm and its premium radio services then take a look at whereyou can sign up or take the Sky.FM premium services for a test drive, even if you're not a Squeezebox user they're compatible with Winamp and Itunes, for Squeezebox users the Sky.FM services are presented to you in the form of an "App" which you install onto your Squeezebox system. The MP3 Tunes Locker at is the next thing I'm trying to get working with Squeezebox, MP3 Tunes is a cloud service which enables you to sync audio, video, Itunes libraries etc through the cloud to just about every device you can think of including Squeezebox, Ipad, Iphone, Mac or Windows computer etc and prices for an account are extremely reasonable - even more so if I can get the thing working better than i have it working now - $17.00 per month for a 200GB account and even less if you pay by year. I can manually upload files to my account on this system but unfortunately the "Sync clients" for MP3 Tunes for both Mac and Windows seem very unaccessible, I've written to MP3 Tunes Support about this but as yet haven't received a reply, that was several days ago so I'm not too hopeful and yep, I will consdier suspending my account if I can't find other accessible ways to use the MP3 Tunes Locker service.. I'll also have a go at configuring the Server/remote Control Squeezebox Ipad app which I downloaded several days ago and this app from what I've seen of it thus far looks extremely accessible, it even has a context tutorial as part of it so as you go you can read help prompts and guides, neat. I can't remember the name of the App off the top of my head but will publish more about it in my Blog after setting it up. Anyway enough of this, I think I'll go and have a cup of tea and enjoy some good music from my Squeezebox Boom and the "Favourites" Smart Playlist in my Itunes library. From grtdane at internode.on.net Thu Apr 28 01:38:36 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 10:38:36 +1000 Subject: Ipad Apps for Squeezebox Audio Systems Message-ID: <046F7322-5150-421D-819D-BF3B12A56A2B@internode.on.net> Hi everyone! Below is a part of a message I sent to another list and I'm posting here since I've been writing about the Logitech Squeezebox Boom and Squeezebox system, as you'll see the morning certainly hasn't been wasted and I've made up a lot of ground . > Hi! > > Just been playing with a Super Duper Ipad app for a Squeezebox system called Ipeng HD. > > This app allows you to control just about every aspect you can possibly think of regarding your Squeezebox system and when I say just about e everything I mean exactly that, just about everything, you can even use the app to switch one or more of your players to different sources and until now the only way of doing that was to go to each player and switch it from the menu. > > By music sources I mean one or more Squeezebox servers or your "My Squeezebox" account so being able to control this feature is a huge step forward for me at least with the system. > From support at mac-access.net Thu Apr 28 20:46:36 2011 From: support at mac-access.net (Gordon & Lynne Smith) Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 20:46:36 +0100 Subject: Unifying Support Message-ID: <52EC3892-C5BD-4B36-8A86-470848BABA4D@mac-access.net> Hello everybody For a number of reasons, the prevention of junk mail amongst them, we have decided to remove the E-Mail address from service with immediate effect. All genuine support requests or contacts should now be sent to instead. The address "support at tft-bbs.com> will stop working later tonight. Lynne From lynne at mac-access.net Thu Apr 28 21:38:17 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 21:38:17 +0100 Subject: Squeezebox Message-ID: <7357E8A9-2DF7-44A5-AAA5-66FB25752573@mac-access.net> Does anybody but Dane run one of these things? I ask thause he obviously cannot see the display. I'm trying ascertain something and I don't know whether somebody who can't see the display could answer. But basically I would like to know whether the thing powers on automatically when you plug in the power cord. I ask because the display here comes on but we can't get it to do a god-damned thing. Lynne From grtdane at internode.on.net Thu Apr 28 21:56:47 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2011 06:56:47 +1000 Subject: Squeezebox In-Reply-To: <7357E8A9-2DF7-44A5-AAA5-66FB25752573@mac-access.net> References: <7357E8A9-2DF7-44A5-AAA5-66FB25752573@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <4DB9D48F.5020106@internode.on.net> Not on this list I don't think no, at least a dozen people do on the pc-audio list. As I've said, there are ways around the display, in fact forget the thing has a display at all! On 29/04/2011 6:38 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Does anybody but Dane run one of these things? I ask thause he obviously cannot see the display. I'm trying ascertain something and I don't know whether somebody who can't see the display could answer. But basically I would like to know whether the thing powers on automatically when you plug in the power cord. I ask because the display here comes on but we can't get it to do a god-damned thing. > > Lynne > > _______________________________________________ > > The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free > > To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: > http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html > From lynne at mac-access.net Thu Apr 28 22:27:56 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 22:27:56 +0100 Subject: Squeezebox In-Reply-To: <4DB9D48F.5020106@internode.on.net> References: <7357E8A9-2DF7-44A5-AAA5-66FB25752573@mac-access.net> <4DB9D48F.5020106@internode.on.net> Message-ID: Dane I'm sorry but you can change the menu options without the player even being powered on at all. So bang goes that idea. We removed all but one option, saved the changes all with the power plug disconnected. Lynne On 28 Apr 2011, at 21:56, Dane Trethowan wrote: Not on this list I don't think no, at least a dozen people do on the pc-audio list. As I've said, there are ways around the display, in fact forget the thing has a display at all! On 29/04/2011 6:38 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Does anybody but Dane run one of these things? I ask thause he obviously cannot see the display. I'm trying ascertain something and I don't know whether somebody who can't see the display could answer. But basically I would like to know whether the thing powers on automatically when you plug in the power cord. I ask because the display here comes on but we can't get it to do a god-damned thing. > > Lynne > > _______________________________________________ > > The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free > > To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: > http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html > _______________________________________________ The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html From gordon at mac-access.net Thu Apr 28 22:35:24 2011 From: gordon at mac-access.net (Gordon Smith) Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 22:35:24 +0100 Subject: Could somebody try something please? Message-ID: <8D4F2DC4-0335-4969-BDF5-0A3F9BE3EEF4@mac-access.net> Hi all Could somebody please try a "ping" lookup and save the results to a text file and send me them privately? I need somebody to please enter this at the command prom[t in Windows, or do the same in Terminal on the Mac. Under Windows: ping 79.135.109.120 > squeezebox.txt Under Terminal do the same and send me the results of the file to and we'd be grateful. Gordon From grtdane at internode.on.net Thu Apr 28 23:46:40 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2011 08:46:40 +1000 Subject: Squeezebox In-Reply-To: References: <7357E8A9-2DF7-44A5-AAA5-66FB25752573@mac-access.net> <4DB9D48F.5020106@internode.on.net> Message-ID: <4DB9EE50.6020603@internode.on.net> Sorry? I don't know what you're referring to here, what I'm referring to is that you don't need toworry about the display to control the Squeezebox Boom, I'm using an App for the Iphone/Ipad to do it right now called Ipeng HD, that's the best way I've found to do the controlling though I'm sure there are others. With Ipeng HD not only do you get full control over what your players do but you also see what the display says so its interactive. On 29/04/2011 7:27 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Dane > > I'm sorry but you can change the menu options without the player even being powered on at all. So bang goes that idea. > > We removed all but one option, saved the changes all with the power plug disconnected. > > Lynne > > On 28 Apr 2011, at 21:56, Dane Trethowan wrote: > > Not on this list I don't think no, at least a dozen people do on the pc-audio list. > > As I've said, there are ways around the display, in fact forget the thing has a display at all! > > > > On 29/04/2011 6:38 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: >> Does anybody but Dane run one of these things? I ask thause he obviously cannot see the display. I'm trying ascertain something and I don't know whether somebody who can't see the display could answer. But basically I would like to know whether the thing powers on automatically when you plug in the power cord. I ask because the display here comes on but we can't get it to do a god-damned thing. >> >> Lynne >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free >> >> To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: >> http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html >> > _______________________________________________ > > The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free > > To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: > http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html > > > _______________________________________________ > > The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free > > To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: > http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html > From grtdane at internode.on.net Thu Apr 28 23:50:52 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2011 08:50:52 +1000 Subject: Squeezebox In-Reply-To: References: <7357E8A9-2DF7-44A5-AAA5-66FB25752573@mac-access.net> <4DB9D48F.5020106@internode.on.net> Message-ID: <4DB9EF4C.2060806@internode.on.net> I beg your pardon sorry, I now know what you're talking about, the Squeezebox Boom options aren't modified until the Squeezebox Boom is actually connected to your account or server, the settings for your Boom and other players are stored in your account though I'm not sure its a cookie, if it were then they wouldn't be available when you log into your Squeezebox Account from other computer systems. On 29/04/2011 7:27 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Dane > > I'm sorry but you can change the menu options without the player even being powered on at all. So bang goes that idea. > > We removed all but one option, saved the changes all with the power plug disconnected. > > Lynne > > On 28 Apr 2011, at 21:56, Dane Trethowan wrote: > > Not on this list I don't think no, at least a dozen people do on the pc-audio list. > > As I've said, there are ways around the display, in fact forget the thing has a display at all! > > > > On 29/04/2011 6:38 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: >> Does anybody but Dane run one of these things? I ask thause he obviously cannot see the display. I'm trying ascertain something and I don't know whether somebody who can't see the display could answer. But basically I would like to know whether the thing powers on automatically when you plug in the power cord. I ask because the display here comes on but we can't get it to do a god-damned thing. >> >> Lynne >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free >> >> To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: >> http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html >> > _______________________________________________ > > The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free > > To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: > http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html > > > _______________________________________________ > > The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free > > To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: > http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html > From grtdane at internode.on.net Fri Apr 29 00:11:47 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2011 09:11:47 +1000 Subject: Interesting ways people use their Windows PC's Message-ID: <4DB9F433.7080606@internode.on.net> Hi! Just been talking to a chap who installs portable versions of every piece of software he wishes to use so what's the advantage? Well every piece of software along with associated files is contained within its own folder thus backing up data or carrying it around with you is a snap! So to backup data from your computers hard drive all one has to do is copy all the folders for all the installed applications to a USB memory stick or whatever. And if you want to use your software along with all your files on another computer? Just plug in your memory stick into that other system and away you go, so kool, so neat and yet so simple, just goes to show you learn something every day . From grtdane at internode.on.net Fri Apr 29 01:40:31 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2011 10:40:31 +1000 Subject: Overview EyeTV Netstream DTT Message-ID: Hi! Wondering what the difference is between this tuner package and the Slingbox? Looks fairly similar to me. http://www.elgato.com/elgato/int/mainmenu/products/tuner/netstreamdtt/product1.en.html From tsiegel at softcon.com Fri Apr 29 14:54:05 2011 From: tsiegel at softcon.com (Travis Siegel) Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2011 08:54:05 -0500 Subject: power outages Message-ID: <92601B4E-EBC1-43BB-931E-835CCACA6272@softcon.com> Well, tornadoes, and power apparently don't mix well. Earlier this week, there was a series of tornadoes that blew through Alaabama and Tennesee. All of north alabama is w/o power. We got lucky, our city was relatively unharmed, and our powerboard is having rolling power ups. I.E. for a little while, we'll have power (this is the first time for us actually) then they will move the power to another part of the town. They are using a generator to offer up the power, since the tva (tennesee valley authority) the place they get their power is out of service, and is expected to be out for nearly 10 days total. It is going to be interesting, but we are definitely better off than some, since no tornados directly hit our town. Gas is nowhere to be found right now, so we can't go anywhere at the moment, but at least with the rolling powerups, we'll have freezers and fridges working for a bit longer than we expected. For the moment, everything is fine here, and thankfully it looks like we'll be ok, but a lot of places were not so lucky. We've heard 194 dead, and hundreds more injured as a result of these storms blowing through. The main problem with power is the transmission towers for power are completely destroyed, and they will need to be rebuilt, along with the transmission lines that feed power to all the substations. I'm glad Gordon and Lynne have my server hosting now, otherwise I'd be completely offline, but at the moment, softcon and it's files are still available for folks at http://www.softcon.com/mac/ So, enjoy, and perhaps now, they'll build in backup services, so this doesn't happen again. (one can hope anyhow) At last count, 6,000,000 people were w/o power, so this isn't a small outage, like I said, it's all north alabama and parts of tennesee (I think) getting news is a bit tough what with news sources needing to be pulled with batter powered devices, which we had a few, but reception is horrible. So, there we are. From grtdane at internode.on.net Fri Apr 29 20:00:10 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2011 05:00:10 +1000 Subject: Vipre Anti Virus Premium Security Suite Message-ID: <52C161A5-5CD4-4AB8-9D58-21760F42FDDC@internode.on.net> Hi! Well I'm one for giving credit where credit is due or passing on information to give people a hand in evaluating or selecting products that will benefit them. I've been running the Vipre Anti Virus Premium security suite for nearly 2 months now and I've been quite impressed with several aspects of this software. Firstly the accessibility and the layout of the software is first class, the only thing to come anywhere near it as far as accessibility went was Eset Smart Security but it had its accessibility problems, unless you were a fairly advanced Screen Reader user then navigating some of the Eset screens and dialogue boxes could be a bit of a challenge. Vipre however is not like that, you use standard Windows keys and shortcuts to navigate the system. Vipre also takes the issue of tracking cookies and other privacy threats seriously whereas - I'm sorry to say - the people at Eset couldn't give a damn about them judging by the email I've had from the tech support team. So to the point of Vipre and this message, I was having trouble logging onto the site for the excellent Transmac utility in order to purchase a licence because Vipre kept blocking the site telling me that the site contained "either malicious or objectionable content". I pondered this message from Vipre openly on my Twitter and received a Tweet a couple of hours later from Sunbelt Software - the developers of Vipre - that this issue would be fixed in a later update of Vipre, that Tweet speaks volumes I reckon for the development and tech support people at Sunbelt Software and shows commitment to their product. As a final note, yep I could have added the web site for Transmac to the Bad Web Site exceptions, I actually tried doing that but Vipre wouldn't have a bar of it, whether it was my fault for entering the url incorrectly or not I don't know and I really should follow that up. Vipre Anti Virus Premium and associated products can be found at http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com Cheers! From martin at x.it.okstate.edu Fri Apr 29 20:29:37 2011 From: martin at x.it.okstate.edu (Martin McCormick) Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2011 14:29:37 -0500 Subject: power outages Message-ID: <201104291929.p3TJTbv8030586@x.it.okstate.edu> Our hearts go out to all the people in the South right now. I live in what is normally called "Tornado Alley." The central United States from the Dakotas through South Texas is normally the most active part of the country during Spring and, again, somewhat in the Fall, but the worst-hit area has shifted somewhat to the East and Southeast this year. This is not a giant shift, but places that normally get lots of tornados such as the area where I live haven't gotten as many as normal for the year while just to our East, Eastern Oklahoma and Arkansas have been pounded again and again. Some of the deaths in the Carolinas have been blamed on the fact that while they certainly get tornados, they don't get as many as they have been getting this Spring and many communities just don't have the sirens and the warning infrastructure that areas have which get hit every year. Saint Louis that got hit last week, has an excellent warning system according to news accounts and that coupled with the luck of having the tornado hit at 8 o'clock in the evening plus a 34-minute warning period may have contributed to the fact that not a single life was lost even though millions of Dollars of damage occurred to homes and other buildings. You mentioned the use of portable generators that were being moved around. This would probably not be the best time to have your most expensive electronics hooked up if you can avoid it. Generators can sometimes run at the wrong frequency or produce voltage that is above or below what it should be even though the people running them are taking every precaution. Take care and let's hope the tornados leave all of us alone although that is asking a lot. Martin Travis Siegel writes: > Well, tornadoes, and power apparently don't mix well. From marrie12 at gmail.com Fri Apr 29 20:45:26 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2011 12:45:26 -0700 Subject: Space Shuttle Endeavour Launch Scrubbed for At Least 48 Hours [Blip] Message-ID: <6EC77772-BC79-4EE9-8099-5F799A0DAF0A@gmail.com> I don't know anything about space shuttles but hear is an excerpt followed by the link. lol! Space Shuttle Endeavour Launch Scrubbed for At Least 48 Hours [Blip] Apparently, there's a heater problem in pertaining to the Endeavour's Auxiliary Power Unit. To quote Sam, "Duchess Middleton will NOT be upstaged." [Twitter] More ? http://bit.ly/kAsZw3 From mstores at indiana.edu Fri Apr 29 21:18:32 2011 From: mstores at indiana.edu (Mary Stores) Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2011 16:18:32 -0400 Subject: Space Shuttle Endeavour Launch Scrubbed for At Least 48 Hours [Blip] In-Reply-To: <6EC77772-BC79-4EE9-8099-5F799A0DAF0A@gmail.com> References: <6EC77772-BC79-4EE9-8099-5F799A0DAF0A@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20110429161832.doanvivri8kgggk8@webmail.iu.edu> Well, apparently that was a blip, so that is all the article said. The rest of it was talk about the Royal pain in my ear wedding. Still, I'm glad I didn't miss the launch being at work brailling final exas. There won't be too many of them left. Mary Quoting Sarah Alawami : > I don't know anything about space shuttles but hear is an excerpt > followed by the link. lol! > > Space Shuttle Endeavour Launch Scrubbed for At Least 48 Hours [Blip] > > Apparently, there's a heater problem in pertaining to the Endeavour's > Auxiliary Power Unit. To quote Sam, "Duchess Middleton will NOT be > upstaged." [Twitter] More ? > > > > http://bit.ly/kAsZw3 > _______________________________________________ > From lynne at mac-access.net Fri Apr 29 21:42:21 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2011 21:42:21 +0100 Subject: Squeezebox Message-ID: Hello everybody Thanks to Travis who was the only person on list who responded to Gordon's "Ping" request yesterday, we now know that our Squeezebox Boom is at least a functional TCP/IP device. But, unfortunately, this just makes the whole mess even more messy in a way because it brings up the question; if Travis can see it, talk to it, why can't the Squeezebox servers; one of which is on our own local network, talk to it? I have vision; I've gone right through the network setup time and time again; to no effect. So I'm starting to think it must be faulty. I've even gone as far as to spend, (I hope not waste) 6 quid on an application called "iPeng" from the iTunes store. But as we expected; you can't control a squeezebox which consistently refuses connections and it won't respond. So, we come back to customising the menus. Fine, as long as your device is connected in the first place. But since ours isn't, (won't), just another failure I'm afraid. So if things aren't sorted by the end of the bank holiday weekend, this brick, as it is at the moment, gets boxed up and sent back whence it came. Lynne From lynne at mac-access.net Fri Apr 29 22:27:26 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2011 22:27:26 +0100 Subject: power outages In-Reply-To: <92601B4E-EBC1-43BB-931E-835CCACA6272@softcon.com> References: <92601B4E-EBC1-43BB-931E-835CCACA6272@softcon.com> Message-ID: <541896A8-D8D3-4274-8C01-0B408AE9F5AE@mac-access.net> Hello Travis Firstly; this kind of puts things into perspective. We all whinge and whine about things, including me. But when these kind of severe conditions hit, it makes you realise what's important. Those in Australia should also have memories of this sort of thing; as they were hit by a dreadful 2010 Summer over there and there were lots of victims. This is why the lyrics of the Beetles song "We Can Work It out" should be recognised as an "anthem".: "Life is very short, and there's no time for fussing and fighting, my friend. I have always thought that it's a crime, and I will ask you once again". Take that to heart; they have a lot of meaning. Now, Travis, with regards your hosting. We are only to happy to help; and we do so for all visually impaired people who would like to use it, free of charge. The allegations made in other places regarding us which, I'm bound to say, only reached us second-hand; were hurtful and very untrue. We do not seek to profit from the misfortune of others. Nor do we charge for what we do. But that's another matter. As for backup services Travis, that can be arranged here if you would like them. But in the meantime your website and its contents are safe. Lynne From grtdane at internode.on.net Fri Apr 29 23:16:09 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2011 08:16:09 +1000 Subject: Squeezebox In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9B1F29C9-F43B-45CC-9E2E-539C577ED886@internode.on.net> Well actually Travis wasn't the only one to respond, I did but I have to have sleep at times to you know . Very puzzling and I can't answer that question, when I installed my Squeezebox Boom it found the server straight away and I was given the choice, connect to the server or "My Squeezebox" account. However that's all gone by the board now with the purchase of the Ipeng HD Ipad app which is probably the best option I've chosen with regard to my Squeezebox system, you can switch between Squeezebox server and Squeezebox account and you know exactly what the player's doing as the status is displayed in the app. Further tho this are 2 interesting features of the app, firstly the ability to "Find missing servers", I've not used this option having no need to but I have looked at it, here you actually tell the app where your server is on your Network, Mac address if applicable, the whole works. The second interesting feature is the additional upgrade you can purchase for the App which actually turns your Ipad into a virtual Squeezebox Boom so you have the best of all worlds. I did intend to write more about this App on another list actually but.. well.. I've let the horse bolt . On 30/04/2011, at 6:42 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hello everybody > > Thanks to Travis who was the only person on list who responded to Gordon's "Ping" request yesterday, we now know that our Squeezebox Boom is at least a functional TCP/IP device. > > But, unfortunately, this just makes the whole mess even more messy in a way because it brings up the question; if Travis can see it, talk to it, why can't the Squeezebox servers; one of which is on our own local network, talk to it? I have vision; I've gone right through the network setup time and time again; to no effect. So I'm starting to think it must be faulty. > > I've even gone as far as to spend, (I hope not waste) 6 quid on an application called "iPeng" from the iTunes store. But as we expected; you can't control a squeezebox which consistently refuses connections and it won't respond. > > So, we come back to customising the menus. Fine, as long as your device is connected in the first place. But since ours isn't, (won't), just another failure I'm afraid. > > So if things aren't sorted by the end of the bank holiday weekend, this brick, as it is at the moment, gets boxed up and sent back whence it came. > > Lynne > > _______________________________________________ > > The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free > > To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: > http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html > From lynne at mac-access.net Sat Apr 30 01:21:57 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2011 01:21:57 +0100 Subject: SqueezeBox Problem; we finally found the cause! Message-ID: Hello everybody Well; just shows that we should have thought to look in the least likely places after ruling out the obvious. Gordon decided that, since we'd ruled out the possible it was time to start checking out the impossible. And that is where he stumbled across our problem. I can sum up our problem in just three words; Apple Time Capsule. Having performed a subsequent overall analysis of our networks, Gordon discovered that one of them was way out-performing the other one in terms of overall throughput and reliability. The one which was under-performing is the one which hosts our client services and most of our non-commercial servers. The one I am using now, in actual fact. So, having discovered that, he started going through the network piece by piece, in order to find the bottleneck, as Gordon called it. And it didn't take long for a pattern to emerge. The removal of the Time Capsule totally changed things. The throughput of the network shot up by over 45% and the Squeezebox just connected when we turned it on. Put the Time Capsule back into service, as we have our problems back. In theory this shouldn't happen as we have the capsule configured as a "bridged" hub. So it should simply have performed as another interface. But no; it drags the entire network down to its own appalling bad standards of functionality and produces an unacceptable bottleneck which prevents things like the Squeezebox from working at all. So now, we are going to have to try and find ourselves another new hub; one which will allow us to have the connective we need whilst not producing the same bottleneck. The only hope for the Time Capsule is that we can remove it, as Gordon's just suggested, from the Ethernet interface and try it wireless instead. If that works without killing the rest of the stuff, then fine; it'll do the job. But the problem is going to be integrating it as part of a wireless network with non-Apple equipment. Anyway, there we go; finally we have the answer. I could never have solved this on my own; and it even took Gordon quite a while to figure out the cause. Lynne From grtdane at internode.on.net Sat Apr 30 01:58:41 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2011 10:58:41 +1000 Subject: SqueezeBox Problem; we finally found the cause! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2F8A0435-EC6B-4E64-AE8A-FC7977747924@internode.on.net> Interesting about the TC, wonder why its slowing down your network. Now you've mentioned this I think I might go buy myself another Wireless/Ethernet router and see if this makes any difference to my network, they're cheap enough and - even though my network seems to be performing as it should - its always handy to have backup routers and things around the place. My Time Capsule - like yours - is a "Bridge", the DHCP side of things is handled by the Modem and - even then - I don't use DHCP unless I have to and thankfully I don't have to as all the devices I have connected here have their own IP address assignments, DHCP is handy though when visitors come with their devices and that often happens. On 30/04/2011, at 10:21 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hello everybody > > Well; just shows that we should have thought to look in the least likely places after ruling out the obvious. Gordon decided that, since we'd ruled out the possible it was time to start checking out the impossible. And that is where he stumbled across our problem. I can sum up our problem in just three words; Apple Time Capsule. > > Having performed a subsequent overall analysis of our networks, Gordon discovered that one of them was way out-performing the other one in terms of overall throughput and reliability. The one which was under-performing is the one which hosts our client services and most of our non-commercial servers. The one I am using now, in actual fact. > > So, having discovered that, he started going through the network piece by piece, in order to find the bottleneck, as Gordon called it. And it didn't take long for a pattern to emerge. The removal of the Time Capsule totally changed things. The throughput of the network shot up by over 45% and the Squeezebox just connected when we turned it on. Put the Time Capsule back into service, as we have our problems back. > > In theory this shouldn't happen as we have the capsule configured as a "bridged" hub. So it should simply have performed as another interface. But no; it drags the entire network down to its own appalling bad standards of functionality and produces an unacceptable bottleneck which prevents things like the Squeezebox from working at all. > > So now, we are going to have to try and find ourselves another new hub; one which will allow us to have the connective we need whilst not producing the same bottleneck. > > The only hope for the Time Capsule is that we can remove it, as Gordon's just suggested, from the Ethernet interface and try it wireless instead. If that works without killing the rest of the stuff, then fine; it'll do the job. But the problem is going to be integrating it as part of a wireless network with non-Apple equipment. > > Anyway, there we go; finally we have the answer. I could never have solved this on my own; and it even took Gordon quite a while to figure out the cause. > > Lynne > > > _______________________________________________ > > The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free > > To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: > http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html > From lynne at mac-access.net Sat Apr 30 02:37:29 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2011 02:37:29 +0100 Subject: Squeezebox In-Reply-To: <9B1F29C9-F43B-45CC-9E2E-539C577ED886@internode.on.net> References: <9B1F29C9-F43B-45CC-9E2E-539C577ED886@internode.on.net> Message-ID: Hello Dane On 29 Apr 2011, at 23:16, Dane Trethowan wrote: ? Well actually Travis wasn't the only one to respond, I did but I have to have sleep at times to you know . Let me qualify this then by saying that Travis was the only one who responded by actually doing what we needed. :) Gordon requested a specific test, and Travis was the only one who responded by doing as we asked. But I don't actually recall seeing your response at all; so I don't think Gordon did either. From gordon at mac-access.net Sat Apr 30 02:38:43 2011 From: gordon at mac-access.net (Gordon Smith) Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2011 02:38:43 +0100 Subject: SqueezeBox Problem; we finally found the cause! In-Reply-To: <2F8A0435-EC6B-4E64-AE8A-FC7977747924@internode.on.net> References: <2F8A0435-EC6B-4E64-AE8A-FC7977747924@internode.on.net> Message-ID: <2F296FAD-D17F-41AD-ABB5-A811ED1E386E@mac-access.net> Dane It won't bother you as your network is totally different. On 30 Apr 2011, at 01:58, Dane Trethowan wrote: Interesting about the TC, wonder why its slowing down your network. Now you've mentioned this I think I might go buy myself another Wireless/Ethernet router and see if this makes any difference to my network, they're cheap enough and - even though my network seems to be performing as it should - its always handy to have backup routers and things around the place. My Time Capsule - like yours - is a "Bridge", the DHCP side of things is handled by the Modem and - even then - I don't use DHCP unless I have to and thankfully I don't have to as all the devices I have connected here have their own IP address assignments, DHCP is handy though when visitors come with their devices and that often happens. On 30/04/2011, at 10:21 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hello everybody > > Well; just shows that we should have thought to look in the least likely places after ruling out the obvious. Gordon decided that, since we'd ruled out the possible it was time to start checking out the impossible. And that is where he stumbled across our problem. I can sum up our problem in just three words; Apple Time Capsule. > > Having performed a subsequent overall analysis of our networks, Gordon discovered that one of them was way out-performing the other one in terms of overall throughput and reliability. The one which was under-performing is the one which hosts our client services and most of our non-commercial servers. The one I am using now, in actual fact. > > So, having discovered that, he started going through the network piece by piece, in order to find the bottleneck, as Gordon called it. And it didn't take long for a pattern to emerge. The removal of the Time Capsule totally changed things. The throughput of the network shot up by over 45% and the Squeezebox just connected when we turned it on. Put the Time Capsule back into service, as we have our problems back. > > In theory this shouldn't happen as we have the capsule configured as a "bridged" hub. So it should simply have performed as another interface. But no; it drags the entire network down to its own appalling bad standards of functionality and produces an unacceptable bottleneck which prevents things like the Squeezebox from working at all. > > So now, we are going to have to try and find ourselves another new hub; one which will allow us to have the connective we need whilst not producing the same bottleneck. > > The only hope for the Time Capsule is that we can remove it, as Gordon's just suggested, from the Ethernet interface and try it wireless instead. If that works without killing the rest of the stuff, then fine; it'll do the job. But the problem is going to be integrating it as part of a wireless network with non-Apple equipment. > > Anyway, there we go; finally we have the answer. I could never have solved this on my own; and it even took Gordon quite a while to figure out the cause. > > Lynne > > > _______________________________________________ > > The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free > > To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: > http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html > _______________________________________________ The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html From grtdane at internode.on.net Sat Apr 30 02:40:22 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2011 11:40:22 +1000 Subject: Squeezebox In-Reply-To: References: <9B1F29C9-F43B-45CC-9E2E-539C577ED886@internode.on.net> Message-ID: <4DBB6886.6020504@internode.on.net> I wrote to you directly offering assistance if I could provide it. On 30/04/2011 11:37 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hello Dane > > On 29 Apr 2011, at 23:16, Dane Trethowan wrote: > > ? Well actually Travis wasn't the only one to respond, I did but I have to have sleep at times to you know. > > Let me qualify this then by saying that Travis was the only one who responded by actually doing what we needed. :) > > Gordon requested a specific test, and Travis was the only one who responded by doing as we asked. But I don't actually recall seeing your response at all; so I don't think Gordon did either. > > _______________________________________________ > > The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free > > To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: > http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html > From grtdane at internode.on.net Sat Apr 30 02:47:53 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2011 11:47:53 +1000 Subject: Transmac, I'm stumped! Message-ID: <4DBB6A49.3090908@internode.on.net> Hi! Okay, just purchased the Transmac utility and I've been able to copy from a Mac drive however the standard shortcut combination of ctrl-C to copy files to the clipboard doesn't seem to work in transmac on my windows computer, I had to select all the files and use the "Copy to" command in the context menu and then select the directory on my Windows drive where I wanted the files copied, is this standard procedure? And now to the really odd thing, if I select files from a Windows directory to paste back to a folder on my Mac drive I can't seem to paste them and nore can I find an option for pasting in any of the context menus, what am I missing here? From marrie12 at gmail.com Sat Apr 30 04:10:54 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2011 20:10:54 -0700 Subject: Techdirt - Lawsuits Filed Against Twitter, Facebook & MySpace For Confirming That A User No Longer Wanted Text Messages Message-ID: This is ridiculous and this person filing these should be put in jail! http://bit.ly/kpC9Gr From marrie12 at gmail.com Sat Apr 30 05:28:31 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2011 21:28:31 -0700 Subject: Transmac, I'm stumped! In-Reply-To: <4DBB6A49.3090908@internode.on.net> References: <4DBB6A49.3090908@internode.on.net> Message-ID: <5817680A-B41B-412D-A854-2060A4DE6FAD@gmail.com> I know with the latest bootcamp update pasting to the mac drive was not possibil. I'm hoping that that didn't also go to the mactrans update. Take care. Sarah Alawami If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com website: http://music.marrie.org Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 On Apr 29, 2011, at 6:47 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote: > Hi! > > Okay, just purchased the Transmac utility and I've been able to copy from a Mac drive however the standard shortcut combination of ctrl-C to copy files to the clipboard doesn't seem to work in transmac on my windows computer, I had to select all the files and use the "Copy to" command in the context menu and then select the directory on my Windows drive where I wanted the files copied, is this standard procedure? > > And now to the really odd thing, if I select files from a Windows directory to paste back to a folder on my Mac drive I can't seem to paste them and nore can I find an option for pasting in any of the context menus, what am I missing here? > > > _______________________________________________ > > The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free > > To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: > http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html > From lynne at mac-access.net Sat Apr 30 16:36:40 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2011 16:36:40 +0100 Subject: Squeezebox In-Reply-To: <4DBB6886.6020504@internode.on.net> References: <9B1F29C9-F43B-45CC-9E2E-539C577ED886@internode.on.net> <4DBB6886.6020504@internode.on.net> Message-ID: Hello Dane On 30 Apr 2011, at 02:40, Dane Trethowan wrote: I wrote to you directly offering assistance if I could provide it. Strange; we neither of us saw that message. Neither is it in our deleted mail folder. Lynne From grtdane at internode.on.net Sat Apr 30 17:02:14 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Sun, 1 May 2011 02:02:14 +1000 Subject: Squeezebox In-Reply-To: References: <9B1F29C9-F43B-45CC-9E2E-539C577ED886@internode.on.net> <4DBB6886.6020504@internode.on.net> Message-ID: <8F1E4368-1384-4105-9066-BE22E4196371@internode.on.net> Odd! because its in the sent folder here so who knows. On 01/05/2011, at 1:36 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hello Dane > > On 30 Apr 2011, at 02:40, Dane Trethowan wrote: > > I wrote to you directly offering assistance if I could provide it. > > Strange; we neither of us saw that message. Neither is it in our deleted mail folder. > > Lynne > > _______________________________________________ > > The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free > > To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: > http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html > From tvii at optonline.net Sat Apr 30 18:30:30 2011 From: tvii at optonline.net (John Panarese) Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2011 13:30:30 -0400 Subject: Techdirt - Lawsuits Filed Against Twitter, Facebook & MySpace For Confirming That A User No Longer Wanted Text Messages In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: This is typical legal nonsense. And you wonder why some call America the land of the lawsuit ... If any judge gives this stuff any traction, it's a disgrace. There are far more important and truly necessary legal issues out there that deserve attention over this garbage. Take Care John Panarese On Apr 29, 2011, at 11:10 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote: > This is ridiculous and this person filing these should be put in jail! > > http://bit.ly/kpC9Gr > _______________________________________________ > > The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free > > To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: > http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html > From lynne at mac-access.net Sat Apr 30 21:20:08 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2011 21:20:08 +0100 Subject: Techdirt - Lawsuits Filed Against Twitter, Facebook & MySpace For Confirming That A User No Longer Wanted Text Messages In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello Sarah & all This just goes to show how utterly childish some organisations and individuals can be in the US regarding law. They throw the toys out of the pram, and then there's a big hoo-hah about it and the only winners are the lawyers who are laughing all the way to the bank. Regardless of the outcome of the case, they get their cut. Personally I find the American habit of running to their lawyer at the drop of a hit very off-putting and it makes me glad I'm not associated with American business culture. Happily, those Americans who I call friends, (and I have several of them), don't seem to behave in this way. But some of the institutions over the business people who run these groups really should go and "get a life". Lynne On 30 Apr 2011, at 04:10, Sarah Alawami wrote: This is ridiculous and this person filing these should be put in jail! http://bit.ly/kpC9Gr _______________________________________________ The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html From lynne at mac-access.net Sat Apr 30 21:21:21 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2011 21:21:21 +0100 Subject: Transmac, I'm stumped! In-Reply-To: <5817680A-B41B-412D-A854-2060A4DE6FAD@gmail.com> References: <4DBB6A49.3090908@internode.on.net> <5817680A-B41B-412D-A854-2060A4DE6FAD@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Sarah This has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with Boot Camp. It's a Windows utility which you run under Microsoft Windows on a PC. On 30 Apr 2011, at 05:28, Sarah Alawami wrote: I know with the latest bootcamp update pasting to the mac drive was not possibil. I'm hoping that that didn't also go to the mactrans update. Take care. Sarah Alawami If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com website: http://music.marrie.org Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 On Apr 29, 2011, at 6:47 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote: > Hi! > > Okay, just purchased the Transmac utility and I've been able to copy from a Mac drive however the standard shortcut combination of ctrl-C to copy files to the clipboard doesn't seem to work in transmac on my windows computer, I had to select all the files and use the "Copy to" command in the context menu and then select the directory on my Windows drive where I wanted the files copied, is this standard procedure? > > And now to the really odd thing, if I select files from a Windows directory to paste back to a folder on my Mac drive I can't seem to paste them and nore can I find an option for pasting in any of the context menus, what am I missing here? > > > _______________________________________________ > > The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free > > To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: > http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html > _______________________________________________ The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html From lynne at mac-access.net Sat Apr 30 21:26:41 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2011 21:26:41 +0100 Subject: Dane's Missing Message; [Sherlock, Where Are You When We Need You?] :-) In-Reply-To: <8F1E4368-1384-4105-9066-BE22E4196371@internode.on.net> References: <9B1F29C9-F43B-45CC-9E2E-539C577ED886@internode.on.net> <4DBB6886.6020504@internode.on.net> <8F1E4368-1384-4105-9066-BE22E4196371@internode.on.net> Message-ID: <38207B2F-7363-42C5-9878-9B1195147347@mac-access.net> Hello Dane On 30 Apr 2011, at 17:02, Dane Trethowan wrote: ? Odd! because its in the sent folder here so who knows. I am not disputing you sent it and I'm definitely not accusing you of being a liar. Conversely, I am not in any way mis-informing you. We have both checked our mail folders and the server logs; that message did not arrive here. So somewhere it has been eaten. Lynne