From marrie12 at gmail.com Mon Jan 3 00:33:15 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2011 16:33:15 -0800 Subject: How to make your speakers sound better Message-ID: This was an interesting read. It talks about how to make your home system sound better. read more: http://bit.ly/dTOylm From grtdane at internode.on.net Mon Jan 3 01:07:47 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2011 12:07:47 +1100 Subject: CCrane Witness Radio Message-ID: Hi! Does anyone have or has anyone tried one of these radio sets? According to the information at www.ccrane.com the radio is supposed to record FM and AM broadcasts in MP3 format, you're apparently able to set the bit rate. The radio also sports a line in and microphone jack. The CCrane Witness is charged from a USB port on your computer, when its connected you can copy the files from the radio to your computer for storage etc. The radio has some programmable timers but I expect that we won't be able to use those. Anyway supposing most of it is usable then I think the price is a good one and I may consider buying one, I'm not worried so much about the timers, so long as I can "record" radio at the touch of a button or two? Well that will suit me just fine! As a footnote to all this, I purchased the CCrane EP radio and it arrived just in time for Christmas, the radio is reviewed at www.blindcooltech.com and I've also written some additional notes on the set at my blog so feel free to read and comment. From martin at x.it.okstate.edu Mon Jan 3 16:53:24 2011 From: martin at x.it.okstate.edu (Martin McCormick) Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2011 10:53:24 -0600 Subject: Hackers have found a way to eavesdrop on data sent on GSM networks, calls and texts vulnerable Message-ID: <201101031653.p03GrOH4050185@x.it.okstate.edu> The thing to take away from this is to be smart and assume that someone might be able to decode your data. The process of turning the signals in the air in to data is not terribly difficult and someone may be able to modify a cast-off mobile phone to cause it to tune to any of the channels in use. Some phones have a test or maintenance mode that can be activated by doing certain things to the phone while pressing some key sequence. A person might be able to tap in to the circuitry in such a phone and intercept data and voice which is just data that carry the sounds of our voices. Once you get a way to control the frequency of the radio portion, you could feed the data in to a computer program that could crack it. There are also some things working in your favor. When the person using the telephone that is being eaves-dropped on moves in to the coverage of the next cell, you, the hacker, will either have to physically follow your subject or you totally loose the signal. The people such as government and law enforcement agencies don't normally worry about this sort of thing. They just get a warrant and go to the telephone provider who can mirror the telephone traffic of the person being tracked and send that stream to the agency who requested it. You won't hear or notice a thing if you are being tracked. In my opinion, the chances of being eaves-dropped on are extremely small but not totally out of the question. We should be much more concerned about corporate snooping in to our private lives. Martin Sarah Alawami writes: > Oh and to follow up on your comment the author said not to worry as the > equipment costs thousands. yeah looks like it won't happen any time soon. > I'm not too worried and besides our government here loves to collect such > things from the phone companies her e anyways so I always assume I'm > being intercepted. From martin at x.it.okstate.edu Mon Jan 3 19:47:01 2011 From: martin at x.it.okstate.edu (Martin McCormick) Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2011 13:47:01 -0600 Subject: Let There be Some Other Kind of Light. Message-ID: <201101031947.p03Jl1hs051895@x.it.okstate.edu> As of the first of this year, it is no longer legal to sell 100-Watt incandescent light bulbs in California. The rest of the United States will follow in January of 2012. Incandescent bulbs waste about 90% of their energy as heat. I believe that several E.U. countries have already outlawed at least the higher-wattage incandescents, making you buy CFL's or compact flourescents instead. From marrie12 at gmail.com Mon Jan 3 23:27:18 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2011 15:27:18 -0800 Subject: Intel to be able to send a "poison pill" to any Sandy Bridge laptop they want to disable Message-ID: Is this a good idea? will it spread to other laptops and other companies and OS's? read more: http://bit.ly/hCnKjD From gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk Tue Jan 4 14:04:53 2011 From: gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk (Gordon Smith) Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2011 14:04:53 +0000 Subject: Zoom! Message-ID: <3BD0E87D-57BD-43C5-9B3F-52380F2F3DEF@tft-bbs.co.uk> Hi all Just been looking at the specs of the Zoom recorders. I know Dane has posted recently about them, but what's the current model? I've seen specs and write-ups on the H2 and the H4. Just curious because I may need to buy something like this in a few weeks. Gordon From grtdane at internode.on.net Tue Jan 4 19:16:45 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2011 06:16:45 +1100 Subject: Zoom! In-Reply-To: <3BD0E87D-57BD-43C5-9B3F-52380F2F3DEF@tft-bbs.co.uk> References: <3BD0E87D-57BD-43C5-9B3F-52380F2F3DEF@tft-bbs.co.uk> Message-ID: <9299BFD0-295D-4765-BCD9-C3AF11F95EF7@internode.on.net> Only my opinion but I think the Zoom H1 is the best recorder of the range for quite a number of reasons. I'd stay away from the Zoom H2, its feature packed there's no doubt but those features come at a cost. Firstly its menu driven and that's a problem when you want to make recordings "on-the-fly" and you want something quickly accessible. Next is the battery life, only 4 hours. Third, the Zoom H2 has more background noise than the Zoom H1, certainly you can hear it. The Zoom H4 is also menu driven and a little hard to get around, its aimed at the professional musician, a damn good recorder if you have sight. On the other hand, for most recording applications I'd certainly recommend the Zoom H1 without hesitation. Its the cheapest and best field recorder I've ever owned and hasn't let me down in the 10 weeks or so I've owned the device, its used here every day and is without a doubt a quality product for the price. Yep, there are a couple of things I don't like about it, firstly the microphones are set at 45 degree angles in an "x-y" configuration and cannot be adjusted but after all! this recorder is only worth $100.00 and even though the angle's fixed the microphones are of superb quality. If you want better microphones then you can just connect them to the input. I've recorded from a wide variety of sources in the time I've had the H1, everything from long distance radios to line outs of hi-fi equipment. The H1 doesn't have a digital input but the analogue output can be made as sensitive as required for the job, example you may wish extra sensitivity for microphones whilst you may wish to turn this down when recording from a radio, when recording using microphones next to a train line and so on, all is at your fingertips. The AGC is excellent should you wish to use it when recording lectures, meetings and such though I prefer to use manual recording modes most of the time. No, the Zoom H1 doesn't have an "auto-split" mode like the H2, meaning that your recording cannot be split into files according to criteria such as time or size however markers can be set within files which Amadues Pro for Mac and Sound Forge For Windows recognize. A final note concerns battery life, 10 hours I've managed to get out of 1 single rechargeable battery so that's not too bad in my humble opinion, output amps sound excellent and are distortion free so the device is probably using digital amps as the Apple Macs do. Sent from my iPad On 05/01/2011, at 1:04 AM, Gordon Smith wrote: > Hi all > > Just been looking at the specs of the Zoom recorders. I know Dane has posted recently about them, but what's the current model? I've seen specs and write-ups on the H2 and the H4. > > Just curious because I may need to buy something like this in a few weeks. > > Gordon > > > > _______________________________________________ > > The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free > > To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: > http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html > > From grtdane at internode.on.net Tue Jan 4 19:52:17 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2011 06:52:17 +1100 Subject: Zoom! In-Reply-To: <3BD0E87D-57BD-43C5-9B3F-52380F2F3DEF@tft-bbs.co.uk> References: <3BD0E87D-57BD-43C5-9B3F-52380F2F3DEF@tft-bbs.co.uk> Message-ID: <015CC43A-646E-424B-8C29-57B7F6BF221A@internode.on.net> Okay part of your question I didn't answer, the H1 is the current model of audio recorder, Zoom also make a very nice video capture device with high quality audio and video, a bit more expensive but perhaps you and your other half may prefer that in the long run, it was reviewed a couple of weeks ago and I've forgotten the model number but I can look it up. On 05/01/2011, at 1:04 AM, Gordon Smith wrote: > Hi all > > Just been looking at the specs of the Zoom recorders. I know Dane has posted recently about them, but what's the current model? I've seen specs and write-ups on the H2 and the H4. > > Just curious because I may need to buy something like this in a few weeks. > > Gordon > > > _______________________________________________ > > The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free > > To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: > http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html > From lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk Tue Jan 4 21:51:53 2011 From: lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2011 21:51:53 +0000 Subject: Zoom! In-Reply-To: <9299BFD0-295D-4765-BCD9-C3AF11F95EF7@internode.on.net> References: <3BD0E87D-57BD-43C5-9B3F-52380F2F3DEF@tft-bbs.co.uk> <9299BFD0-295D-4765-BCD9-C3AF11F95EF7@internode.on.net> Message-ID: <570C8AFD-ED7F-4CE5-8F0F-6B7151311CEC@tft-bbs.co.uk> Hello Dane Thank you for the info. If the H2 and H4 are both menu driven, why are they being sold, I wonder, by a company which supposedly sells hardware and software for the vision-impaired? When I looked, there was no indication that the H1 was available so maybe it's been taken off the market. We haven't decided on this yet; so we might not end up going for a Zoom at all. One reason we were looking at this is because it uses SD cards which we could simply plug into the Mac when we wanted to port content over. You mention Sound Forge for Windows. Well that obviously doesn't apply as we're not interested in using anything under Windows like this. Actually Microsoft is giving us a hard time at the moment. We bought a key from them for Windows 7 and the idiots have gone and blocked it. So at the moment that operating system is useless to us because the evaluation time has expired. We have contacted Microsoft store and they keep telling us they've forward the message to the relevant department but so far no luck. This will definitely be the last time we ever buy anything from Microsoft. But anyway that's another issue. We will keep looking at these recorders and see which one we think will do what we want in the best way that suits us. I agree with you that 4 hours battery life isn't much to brag about; and with a rechargeable battery being less voltage at a lower current output that would have an even lower battery life I would expect. Anyway; we'll keep searching. Lynne From marrie12 at gmail.com Tue Jan 4 22:30:18 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2011 14:30:18 -0800 Subject: New Intel processors will have a built in DRM that was suggested by Hollywood studios. Message-ID: <2566876B-2E07-4270-9824-86054B6BC5FE@gmail.com> is this another way to control us and our computers? read more: http://bit.ly/hkAo5b From marrie12 at gmail.com Tue Jan 4 22:31:30 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2011 14:31:30 -0800 Subject: Zoom! In-Reply-To: <570C8AFD-ED7F-4CE5-8F0F-6B7151311CEC@tft-bbs.co.uk> References: <3BD0E87D-57BD-43C5-9B3F-52380F2F3DEF@tft-bbs.co.uk> <9299BFD0-295D-4765-BCD9-C3AF11F95EF7@internode.on.net> <570C8AFD-ED7F-4CE5-8F0F-6B7151311CEC@tft-bbs.co.uk> Message-ID: I believe those markers can be seen by amadeus but I"ll have to see on the midi mag list if I can find that message again. S On Jan 4, 2011, at 1:51 PM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hello Dane > > Thank you for the info. If the H2 and H4 are both menu driven, why are they being sold, I wonder, by a company which supposedly sells hardware and software for the vision-impaired? When I looked, there was no indication that the H1 was available so maybe it's been taken off the market. > > We haven't decided on this yet; so we might not end up going for a Zoom at all. One reason we were looking at this is because it uses SD cards which we could simply plug into the Mac when we wanted to port content over. You mention Sound Forge for Windows. Well that obviously doesn't apply as we're not interested in using anything under Windows like this. Actually Microsoft is giving us a hard time at the moment. We bought a key from them for Windows 7 and the idiots have gone and blocked it. So at the moment that operating system is useless to us because the evaluation time has expired. > > We have contacted Microsoft store and they keep telling us they've forward the message to the relevant department but so far no luck. This will definitely be the last time we ever buy anything from Microsoft. But anyway that's another issue. We will keep looking at these recorders and see which one we think will do what we want in the best way that suits us. > > I agree with you that 4 hours battery life isn't much to brag about; and with a rechargeable battery being less voltage at a lower current output that would have an even lower battery life I would expect. > > Anyway; we'll keep searching. > > Lynne > > _______________________________________________ > > The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free > > To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: > http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html > From grtdane at internode.on.net Tue Jan 4 23:16:27 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2011 10:16:27 +1100 Subject: Zoom! In-Reply-To: <570C8AFD-ED7F-4CE5-8F0F-6B7151311CEC@tft-bbs.co.uk> References: <3BD0E87D-57BD-43C5-9B3F-52380F2F3DEF@tft-bbs.co.uk> <9299BFD0-295D-4765-BCD9-C3AF11F95EF7@internode.on.net> <570C8AFD-ED7F-4CE5-8F0F-6B7151311CEC@tft-bbs.co.uk> Message-ID: <961C0DD8-9533-4726-82B3-5F42E163EE60@internode.on.net> A couple of things here. Sorry to hear about your problems with Microsoft and Windows, Yep I did mention Sound Forge for Windows but I also did Mention Amadeus Pro for the Mac. Why would a supplier of products for the blind be selling Zoom H2 and H4 recorders? Well I didn't say that they couldn't be accessed by blind people, indeed Neil Hughes has reviewed all the Zoom recorders and demonstrated them, he's used them all successfully but he does mention the weakness of the menus for Blind people when trying to get around these recorders and I agree with him that the Zoom H1 is probably the most accessible digital audio recorder there is for the price, unless you buy one of the Olympus recorders but then again you're taking a step backwards in quality and versatility. As far as rechargeable batteries go? I did understand that once upon a not so long ago, the voltage of rechargeable batteries was less than that of standard alkaline batteries though i'm not sure of the case with the new batteries I'm using, they came with my Apple battery charger and from all the research I've done the Apple batteries are just rebadged Sanyo batteries. These batteries are unique for several reasons, firstly unlike other rechargeable batteries they're able to hold 80% of their charge over a 12 month period which is damn handy if you want to take a whole lot of them with you and your Zoom, power when you require it . The specs for the Zoom H1 recorder say that the recorder will last for 10 hours on a single alkaline cell? Well these rechargeable batteries must be pretty good then. I remember the first test I gave my Zoom H1, I had one of the batteries I've just mentioned sitting here, it had been fully charged but that was nearly 8 weeks previous to me inserting it into the Zoom, I did 9 hours of recording with that battery. Note that recording time when recording In mp3 is slightly less. On 05/01/2011, at 8:51 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hello Dane > > Thank you for the info. If the H2 and H4 are both menu driven, why are they being sold, I wonder, by a company which supposedly sells hardware and software for the vision-impaired? When I looked, there was no indication that the H1 was available so maybe it's been taken off the market. > > We haven't decided on this yet; so we might not end up going for a Zoom at all. One reason we were looking at this is because it uses SD cards which we could simply plug into the Mac when we wanted to port content over. You mention Sound Forge for Windows. Well that obviously doesn't apply as we're not interested in using anything under Windows like this. Actually Microsoft is giving us a hard time at the moment. We bought a key from them for Windows 7 and the idiots have gone and blocked it. So at the moment that operating system is useless to us because the evaluation time has expired. > > We have contacted Microsoft store and they keep telling us they've forward the message to the relevant department but so far no luck. This will definitely be the last time we ever buy anything from Microsoft. But anyway that's another issue. We will keep looking at these recorders and see which one we think will do what we want in the best way that suits us. > > I agree with you that 4 hours battery life isn't much to brag about; and with a rechargeable battery being less voltage at a lower current output that would have an even lower battery life I would expect. > > Anyway; we'll keep searching. > > Lynne > > _______________________________________________ > > The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free > > To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: > http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html > From marrie12 at gmail.com Tue Jan 4 23:45:31 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2011 15:45:31 -0800 Subject: Zoom! In-Reply-To: <961C0DD8-9533-4726-82B3-5F42E163EE60@internode.on.net> References: <3BD0E87D-57BD-43C5-9B3F-52380F2F3DEF@tft-bbs.co.uk> <9299BFD0-295D-4765-BCD9-C3AF11F95EF7@internode.on.net> <570C8AFD-ED7F-4CE5-8F0F-6B7151311CEC@tft-bbs.co.uk> <961C0DD8-9533-4726-82B3-5F42E163EE60@internode.on.net> Message-ID: <1B985E01-D14A-4091-94F3-C97458047A46@gmail.com> I am impressed wiht the stereo spread of the zoom h1. when neal played that christmas son with both recorders I liked the bass range and the spread. On Jan 4, 2011, at 3:16 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote: > A couple of things here. > > Sorry to hear about your problems with Microsoft and Windows, Yep I did mention Sound Forge for Windows but I also did Mention Amadeus Pro for the Mac. > > Why would a supplier of products for the blind be selling Zoom H2 and H4 recorders? Well I didn't say that they couldn't be accessed by blind people, indeed Neil Hughes has reviewed all the Zoom recorders and demonstrated them, he's used them all successfully but he does mention the weakness of the menus for Blind people when trying to get around these recorders and I agree with him that the Zoom H1 is probably the most accessible digital audio recorder there is for the price, unless you buy one of the Olympus recorders but then again you're taking a step backwards in quality and versatility. > > As far as rechargeable batteries go? I did understand that once upon a not so long ago, the voltage of rechargeable batteries was less than that of standard alkaline batteries though i'm not sure of the case with the new batteries I'm using, they came with my Apple battery charger and from all the research I've done the Apple batteries are just rebadged Sanyo batteries. > > These batteries are unique for several reasons, firstly unlike other rechargeable batteries they're able to hold 80% of their charge over a 12 month period which is damn handy if you want to take a whole lot of them with you and your Zoom, power when you require it . > > The specs for the Zoom H1 recorder say that the recorder will last for 10 hours on a single alkaline cell? Well these rechargeable batteries must be pretty good then. I remember the first test I gave my Zoom H1, I had one of the batteries I've just mentioned sitting here, it had been fully charged but that was nearly 8 weeks previous to me inserting it into the Zoom, I did 9 hours of recording with that battery. Note that recording time when recording In mp3 is slightly less. > > > On 05/01/2011, at 8:51 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > >> Hello Dane >> >> Thank you for the info. If the H2 and H4 are both menu driven, why are they being sold, I wonder, by a company which supposedly sells hardware and software for the vision-impaired? When I looked, there was no indication that the H1 was available so maybe it's been taken off the market. >> >> We haven't decided on this yet; so we might not end up going for a Zoom at all. One reason we were looking at this is because it uses SD cards which we could simply plug into the Mac when we wanted to port content over. You mention Sound Forge for Windows. Well that obviously doesn't apply as we're not interested in using anything under Windows like this. Actually Microsoft is giving us a hard time at the moment. We bought a key from them for Windows 7 and the idiots have gone and blocked it. So at the moment that operating system is useless to us because the evaluation time has expired. >> >> We have contacted Microsoft store and they keep telling us they've forward the message to the relevant department but so far no luck. This will definitely be the last time we ever buy anything from Microsoft. But anyway that's another issue. We will keep looking at these recorders and see which one we think will do what we want in the best way that suits us. >> >> I agree with you that 4 hours battery life isn't much to brag about; and with a rechargeable battery being less voltage at a lower current output that would have an even lower battery life I would expect. >> >> Anyway; we'll keep searching. >> >> Lynne >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free >> >> To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: >> http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html >> > > _______________________________________________ > > The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free > > To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: > http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html > From marrie12 at gmail.com Tue Jan 4 23:55:34 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2011 15:55:34 -0800 Subject: Warrantless cell phone search gets a green light in California: Message-ID: <049BBD0A-9706-4460-93D2-A228E7EF0D64@gmail.com> Does this violate the 4th amendment? will the pubic be happy about this/ I'm so not! read more: http://arst.ch/npo From lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk Wed Jan 5 05:42:05 2011 From: lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2011 05:42:05 +0000 Subject: Zoom! In-Reply-To: <961C0DD8-9533-4726-82B3-5F42E163EE60@internode.on.net> References: <3BD0E87D-57BD-43C5-9B3F-52380F2F3DEF@tft-bbs.co.uk> <9299BFD0-295D-4765-BCD9-C3AF11F95EF7@internode.on.net> <570C8AFD-ED7F-4CE5-8F0F-6B7151311CEC@tft-bbs.co.uk> <961C0DD8-9533-4726-82B3-5F42E163EE60@internode.on.net> Message-ID: <8CF05FC4-BEB8-4C68-8775-28C360198F11@tft-bbs.co.uk> Hello Dane & all On 4 Jan 2011, at 23:16, Dane Trethowan wrote: ? A couple of things here. What; only a couple? :) ? Sorry to hear about your problems with Microsoft and Windows, Yep I did mention Sound Forge for Windows but I also did Mention Amadeus Pro for the Mac. Yes; I know that. I never suggested anything to the contrary. ? Why would a supplier of products for the blind be selling Zoom H2 and H4 recorders? Well I didn't say that they couldn't be accessed by blind people, indeed Neil Hughes has reviewed all the Zoom recorders and demonstrated them, he's used them all successfully but he does mention the weakness of the menus for Blind people when trying to get around these recorders and I agree with him that the Zoom H1 is probably the most accessible digital audio recorder there is for the price, unless you buy one of the Olympus recorders but then again you're taking a step backwards in quality and versatility. OK, that's your couple of things; but seems there are more. I'm doing as you do here, taking that comment literally. :) ? As far as rechargeable batteries go? I did understand that once upon a not so long ago, the voltage of rechargeable batteries was less than that of standard alkaline batteries though i'm not sure of the case with the new batteries I'm using, they came with my Apple battery charger and from all the research I've done the Apple batteries are just rebadged Sanyo batteries. I'm not going to get into a debate about this. I'm not an expert. All I can tell you is that I have in front of me right now a pack of brand new rechargeable batteries, AA type, bought on 23 December 2010. They are rated at 1.2V which, according to the pack of standard AA batteries here, in front of me, is .3 of a volt less than they are, as they are rated at 1.5v. As I said Dane, this is something I don't know a great deal about. So I'm not going to argue the point. Lynne From moore.c at blueyonder.co.uk Wed Jan 5 07:39:38 2011 From: moore.c at blueyonder.co.uk (Chris Moore) Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2011 07:39:38 +0000 Subject: Zoom! In-Reply-To: <570C8AFD-ED7F-4CE5-8F0F-6B7151311CEC@tft-bbs.co.uk> References: <3BD0E87D-57BD-43C5-9B3F-52380F2F3DEF@tft-bbs.co.uk> <9299BFD0-295D-4765-BCD9-C3AF11F95EF7@internode.on.net> <570C8AFD-ED7F-4CE5-8F0F-6B7151311CEC@tft-bbs.co.uk> Message-ID: What about the new Olympus ones? Plenty reviews of them on blind cool tech. And some of them play daisy too. I am waiting for my employer to decide which one I am allowed. Government are very funny about stuff like that. On 4 Jan 2011, at 21:51, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hello Dane > > Thank you for the info. If the H2 and H4 are both menu driven, why are they being sold, I wonder, by a company which supposedly sells hardware and software for the vision-impaired? When I looked, there was no indication that the H1 was available so maybe it's been taken off the market. > > We haven't decided on this yet; so we might not end up going for a Zoom at all. One reason we were looking at this is because it uses SD cards which we could simply plug into the Mac when we wanted to port content over. You mention Sound Forge for Windows. Well that obviously doesn't apply as we're not interested in using anything under Windows like this. Actually Microsoft is giving us a hard time at the moment. We bought a key from them for Windows 7 and the idiots have gone and blocked it. So at the moment that operating system is useless to us because the evaluation time has expired. > > We have contacted Microsoft store and they keep telling us they've forward the message to the relevant department but so far no luck. This will definitely be the last time we ever buy anything from Microsoft. But anyway that's another issue. We will keep looking at these recorders and see which one we think will do what we want in the best way that suits us. > > I agree with you that 4 hours battery life isn't much to brag about; and with a rechargeable battery being less voltage at a lower current output that would have an even lower battery life I would expect. > > Anyway; we'll keep searching. > > Lynne > > _______________________________________________ > > The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free > > To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: > http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html > From grtdane at internode.on.net Wed Jan 5 07:48:22 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2011 18:48:22 +1100 Subject: Zoom! In-Reply-To: References: <3BD0E87D-57BD-43C5-9B3F-52380F2F3DEF@tft-bbs.co.uk> <9299BFD0-295D-4765-BCD9-C3AF11F95EF7@internode.on.net> <570C8AFD-ED7F-4CE5-8F0F-6B7151311CEC@tft-bbs.co.uk> Message-ID: <932CE0D1-6405-4732-AC07-50767168EDE4@internode.on.net> Yep, those Olympus recorders are very nice, friend of mine has one but for the Daisy version? Well we're talking in a different price bracket for one thing and for another? Well we're talking about 2 distinctly different recorders, Zoom has the edge when it comes to quality over the Olympus recorders, they were after all! designed for voice recording whereas the Zoom H1 for example was designed with the purpose of being an all-purpose field/audio recorder and that design fits the recorder well! No, the Zoom recorders don't handle Daisy and nor do they handle Voice Recognition, the top of the line Olympus does. On 05/01/2011, at 6:39 PM, Chris Moore wrote: > What about the new Olympus ones? Plenty reviews of them on blind cool tech. And some of them play daisy too. I am waiting for my employer to decide which one I am allowed. Government are very funny about stuff like that. > On 4 Jan 2011, at 21:51, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > >> Hello Dane >> >> Thank you for the info. If the H2 and H4 are both menu driven, why are they being sold, I wonder, by a company which supposedly sells hardware and software for the vision-impaired? When I looked, there was no indication that the H1 was available so maybe it's been taken off the market. >> >> We haven't decided on this yet; so we might not end up going for a Zoom at all. One reason we were looking at this is because it uses SD cards which we could simply plug into the Mac when we wanted to port content over. You mention Sound Forge for Windows. Well that obviously doesn't apply as we're not interested in using anything under Windows like this. Actually Microsoft is giving us a hard time at the moment. We bought a key from them for Windows 7 and the idiots have gone and blocked it. So at the moment that operating system is useless to us because the evaluation time has expired. >> >> We have contacted Microsoft store and they keep telling us they've forward the message to the relevant department but so far no luck. This will definitely be the last time we ever buy anything from Microsoft. But anyway that's another issue. We will keep looking at these recorders and see which one we think will do what we want in the best way that suits us. >> >> I agree with you that 4 hours battery life isn't much to brag about; and with a rechargeable battery being less voltage at a lower current output that would have an even lower battery life I would expect. >> >> Anyway; we'll keep searching. >> >> Lynne >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free >> >> To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: >> http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html >> > > > _______________________________________________ > > The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free > > To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: > http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html > From gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk Wed Jan 5 08:00:56 2011 From: gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk (Gordon Smith) Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2011 08:00:56 +0000 Subject: Zoom! In-Reply-To: References: <3BD0E87D-57BD-43C5-9B3F-52380F2F3DEF@tft-bbs.co.uk> <9299BFD0-295D-4765-BCD9-C3AF11F95EF7@internode.on.net> <570C8AFD-ED7F-4CE5-8F0F-6B7151311CEC@tft-bbs.co.uk> Message-ID: Hi Chris I don't mean to sound in any way difficult. But I don't have the time to sit and wade through reviews to find the ones I want. You know how it is mate when you're working, and Lynne is currently also very busy at the moment as the expansion plans are just getting into overdrive. But that's not for this group. :) Gordon On 5 Jan 2011, at 07:39, Chris Moore wrote: > What about the new Olympus ones? Plenty reviews of them on blind cool tech. And some of them play daisy too. I am waiting for my employer to decide which one I am allowed. Government are very funny about stuff like that. From gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk Wed Jan 5 08:02:36 2011 From: gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk (Gordon Smith) Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2011 08:02:36 +0000 Subject: Zoom! In-Reply-To: <932CE0D1-6405-4732-AC07-50767168EDE4@internode.on.net> References: <3BD0E87D-57BD-43C5-9B3F-52380F2F3DEF@tft-bbs.co.uk> <9299BFD0-295D-4765-BCD9-C3AF11F95EF7@internode.on.net> <570C8AFD-ED7F-4CE5-8F0F-6B7151311CEC@tft-bbs.co.uk> <932CE0D1-6405-4732-AC07-50767168EDE4@internode.on.net> Message-ID: <8A835DF2-9FE0-4484-8D21-D4511EC86EEE@tft-bbs.co.uk> And price is a big part of what, if anything, we eventually opt for. We couldn't justify paying high prices really and I have to admit that the fact that the Zoom directly support BWF format is a plus given what I'm looking at this for. On 5 Jan 2011, at 07:48, Dane Trethowan wrote: > Yep, those Olympus recorders are very nice, friend of mine has one but for the Daisy version? Well we're talking in a different price bracket for one thing and for another? Well we're talking about 2 distinctly different recorders, Zoom has the edge when it comes to quality over the Olympus recorders, they were after all! designed for voice recording whereas the Zoom H1 for example was designed with the purpose of being an all-purpose field/audio recorder and that design fits the recorder well! > > No, the Zoom recorders don't handle Daisy and nor do they handle Voice Recognition, the top of the line Olympus does. > > > On 05/01/2011, at 6:39 PM, Chris Moore wrote: > >> What about the new Olympus ones? Plenty reviews of them on blind cool tech. And some of them play daisy too. I am waiting for my employer to decide which one I am allowed. Government are very funny about stuff like that. >> On 4 Jan 2011, at 21:51, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: >> >>> Hello Dane >>> >>> Thank you for the info. If the H2 and H4 are both menu driven, why are they being sold, I wonder, by a company which supposedly sells hardware and software for the vision-impaired? When I looked, there was no indication that the H1 was available so maybe it's been taken off the market. >>> >>> We haven't decided on this yet; so we might not end up going for a Zoom at all. One reason we were looking at this is because it uses SD cards which we could simply plug into the Mac when we wanted to port content over. You mention Sound Forge for Windows. Well that obviously doesn't apply as we're not interested in using anything under Windows like this. Actually Microsoft is giving us a hard time at the moment. We bought a key from them for Windows 7 and the idiots have gone and blocked it. So at the moment that operating system is useless to us because the evaluation time has expired. >>> >>> We have contacted Microsoft store and they keep telling us they've forward the message to the relevant department but so far no luck. This will definitely be the last time we ever buy anything from Microsoft. But anyway that's another issue. We will keep looking at these recorders and see which one we think will do what we want in the best way that suits us. >>> >>> I agree with you that 4 hours battery life isn't much to brag about; and with a rechargeable battery being less voltage at a lower current output that would have an even lower battery life I would expect. >>> >>> Anyway; we'll keep searching. >>> >>> Lynne >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free >>> >>> To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: >>> http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free >> >> To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: >> http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html >> > > _______________________________________________ > > The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free > > To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: > http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html > From moore.c at blueyonder.co.uk Wed Jan 5 08:49:09 2011 From: moore.c at blueyonder.co.uk (Chris Moore) Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2011 08:49:09 +0000 Subject: Zoom! In-Reply-To: References: <3BD0E87D-57BD-43C5-9B3F-52380F2F3DEF@tft-bbs.co.uk> <9299BFD0-295D-4765-BCD9-C3AF11F95EF7@internode.on.net> <570C8AFD-ED7F-4CE5-8F0F-6B7151311CEC@tft-bbs.co.uk> Message-ID: <5A785A1F-336C-4744-ACAF-B219BC94AD37@blueyonder.co.uk> Well in that case check out the Olympus 450 and 550. Chris On 5 Jan 2011, at 08:00, Gordon Smith wrote: > Hi Chris > > I don't mean to sound in any way difficult. But I don't have the time to sit and wade through reviews to find the ones I want. You know how it is mate when you're working, and Lynne is currently also very busy at the moment as the expansion plans are just getting into overdrive. But that's not for this group. :) > > Gordon > > On 5 Jan 2011, at 07:39, Chris Moore wrote: > >> What about the new Olympus ones? Plenty reviews of them on blind cool tech. And some of them play daisy too. I am waiting for my employer to decide which one I am allowed. Government are very funny about stuff like that. > > > _______________________________________________ > > The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free > > To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: > http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html > From gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk Wed Jan 5 09:10:50 2011 From: gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk (Gordon Smith) Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2011 09:10:50 +0000 Subject: Zoom! In-Reply-To: <5A785A1F-336C-4744-ACAF-B219BC94AD37@blueyonder.co.uk> References: <3BD0E87D-57BD-43C5-9B3F-52380F2F3DEF@tft-bbs.co.uk> <9299BFD0-295D-4765-BCD9-C3AF11F95EF7@internode.on.net> <570C8AFD-ED7F-4CE5-8F0F-6B7151311CEC@tft-bbs.co.uk> <5A785A1F-336C-4744-ACAF-B219BC94AD37@blueyonder.co.uk> Message-ID: <9C3CB8BF-9E9B-4A75-AEC8-D85B6DF2A62D@tft-bbs.co.uk> I'll certainly check them out. Although at the moment I'm leaning towards the Zoom models because of the prices, as much as anything. I'd want something where, when I buy it, I still have change out of a fiver, and it seems that the Zoom models are cheaper, without too much, if any, sacrifice in quality. Gordon From grtdane at internode.on.net Wed Jan 5 10:33:16 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2011 21:33:16 +1100 Subject: Zoom! In-Reply-To: <9C3CB8BF-9E9B-4A75-AEC8-D85B6DF2A62D@tft-bbs.co.uk> References: <3BD0E87D-57BD-43C5-9B3F-52380F2F3DEF@tft-bbs.co.uk> <9299BFD0-295D-4765-BCD9-C3AF11F95EF7@internode.on.net> <570C8AFD-ED7F-4CE5-8F0F-6B7151311CEC@tft-bbs.co.uk> <5A785A1F-336C-4744-ACAF-B219BC94AD37@blueyonder.co.uk> <9C3CB8BF-9E9B-4A75-AEC8-D85B6DF2A62D@tft-bbs.co.uk> Message-ID: <3A89C15F-27D4-4755-8B49-04CB5893DDB0@internode.on.net> You're right there, you're getting a professional recorder in the Zoom H1 for around ?50.00, that's only an estimate as mine cost $100.00 Australian dollars and for that price? Nearly a "giveaway" I reckon. Yep I harp on about the Zoom I know but why shouldn't others be aware of bargains and good quality one's at that . On 05/01/2011, at 8:10 PM, Gordon Smith wrote: > I'll certainly check them out. Although at the moment I'm leaning towards the Zoom models because of the prices, as much as anything. I'd want something where, when I buy it, I still have change out of a fiver, and it seems that the Zoom models are cheaper, without too much, if any, sacrifice in quality. > > > Gordon > > _______________________________________________ > > The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free > > To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: > http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html > From gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk Wed Jan 5 10:52:21 2011 From: gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk (Gordon Smith) Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2011 10:52:21 +0000 Subject: Zoom! In-Reply-To: <3A89C15F-27D4-4755-8B49-04CB5893DDB0@internode.on.net> References: <3BD0E87D-57BD-43C5-9B3F-52380F2F3DEF@tft-bbs.co.uk> <9299BFD0-295D-4765-BCD9-C3AF11F95EF7@internode.on.net> <570C8AFD-ED7F-4CE5-8F0F-6B7151311CEC@tft-bbs.co.uk> <5A785A1F-336C-4744-ACAF-B219BC94AD37@blueyonder.co.uk> <9C3CB8BF-9E9B-4A75-AEC8-D85B6DF2A62D@tft-bbs.co.uk> <3A89C15F-27D4-4755-8B49-04CB5893DDB0@internode.on.net> Message-ID: <6139916C-1457-49D4-9B3C-0224C9D9DB4D@tft-bbs.co.uk> My problem seems to be finding a UK supplier for the H1. I can only so far find one supplier and I'd really rather not deal with them if I can avoid it. I won't go into the why's and wherefore's for that, not on list anyway. But I have my reasons. If I can find a UK dealer, I'll probably go for the H1. Gordon On 5 Jan 2011, at 10:33, Dane Trethowan wrote: > You're right there, you're getting a professional recorder in the Zoom H1 for around ?50.00, that's only an estimate as mine cost $100.00 Australian dollars and for that price? Nearly a "giveaway" I reckon. > > Yep I harp on about the Zoom I know but why shouldn't others be aware of bargains and good quality one's at that . > From grtdane at internode.on.net Wed Jan 5 10:59:05 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2011 21:59:05 +1100 Subject: Zoom! In-Reply-To: <6139916C-1457-49D4-9B3C-0224C9D9DB4D@tft-bbs.co.uk> References: <3BD0E87D-57BD-43C5-9B3F-52380F2F3DEF@tft-bbs.co.uk> <9299BFD0-295D-4765-BCD9-C3AF11F95EF7@internode.on.net> <570C8AFD-ED7F-4CE5-8F0F-6B7151311CEC@tft-bbs.co.uk> <5A785A1F-336C-4744-ACAF-B219BC94AD37@blueyonder.co.uk> <9C3CB8BF-9E9B-4A75-AEC8-D85B6DF2A62D@tft-bbs.co.uk> <3A89C15F-27D4-4755-8B49-04CB5893DDB0@internode.on.net> <6139916C-1457-49D4-9B3C-0224C9D9DB4D@tft-bbs.co.uk> Message-ID: <24FD4687-0C38-4C7D-8DCD-AC59CDCD8A08@internode.on.net> Yep, my choice of outlets in Australia was limited but I managed to get one in the end. On 05/01/2011, at 9:52 PM, Gordon Smith wrote: > My problem seems to be finding a UK supplier for the H1. I can only so far find one supplier and I'd really rather not deal with them if I can avoid it. I won't go into the why's and wherefore's for that, not on list anyway. But I have my reasons. > > If I can find a UK dealer, I'll probably go for the H1. > > Gordon > > On 5 Jan 2011, at 10:33, Dane Trethowan wrote: > >> You're right there, you're getting a professional recorder in the Zoom H1 for around ?50.00, that's only an estimate as mine cost $100.00 Australian dollars and for that price? Nearly a "giveaway" I reckon. >> >> Yep I harp on about the Zoom I know but why shouldn't others be aware of bargains and good quality one's at that . >> > > _______________________________________________ > > The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free > > To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: > http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html > From grtdane at internode.on.net Wed Jan 5 11:01:58 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2011 22:01:58 +1100 Subject: Zoom! In-Reply-To: <6139916C-1457-49D4-9B3C-0224C9D9DB4D@tft-bbs.co.uk> References: <3BD0E87D-57BD-43C5-9B3F-52380F2F3DEF@tft-bbs.co.uk> <9299BFD0-295D-4765-BCD9-C3AF11F95EF7@internode.on.net> <570C8AFD-ED7F-4CE5-8F0F-6B7151311CEC@tft-bbs.co.uk> <5A785A1F-336C-4744-ACAF-B219BC94AD37@blueyonder.co.uk> <9C3CB8BF-9E9B-4A75-AEC8-D85B6DF2A62D@tft-bbs.co.uk> <3A89C15F-27D4-4755-8B49-04CB5893DDB0@internode.on.net> <6139916C-1457-49D4-9B3C-0224C9D9DB4D@tft-bbs.co.uk> Message-ID: Probably a stupid thought but I wonder if Amazon sell them? They seem to sell everything else. On 05/01/2011, at 9:52 PM, Gordon Smith wrote: > My problem seems to be finding a UK supplier for the H1. I can only so far find one supplier and I'd really rather not deal with them if I can avoid it. I won't go into the why's and wherefore's for that, not on list anyway. But I have my reasons. > > If I can find a UK dealer, I'll probably go for the H1. > > Gordon > > On 5 Jan 2011, at 10:33, Dane Trethowan wrote: > >> You're right there, you're getting a professional recorder in the Zoom H1 for around ?50.00, that's only an estimate as mine cost $100.00 Australian dollars and for that price? Nearly a "giveaway" I reckon. >> >> Yep I harp on about the Zoom I know but why shouldn't others be aware of bargains and good quality one's at that . >> > > _______________________________________________ > > The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free > > To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: > http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html > From lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk Wed Jan 5 14:08:44 2011 From: lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2011 14:08:44 +0000 Subject: Zoom! In-Reply-To: References: <3BD0E87D-57BD-43C5-9B3F-52380F2F3DEF@tft-bbs.co.uk> <9299BFD0-295D-4765-BCD9-C3AF11F95EF7@internode.on.net> <570C8AFD-ED7F-4CE5-8F0F-6B7151311CEC@tft-bbs.co.uk> <5A785A1F-336C-4744-ACAF-B219BC94AD37@blueyonder.co.uk> <9C3CB8BF-9E9B-4A75-AEC8-D85B6DF2A62D@tft-bbs.co.uk> <3A89C15F-27D4-4755-8B49-04CB5893DDB0@internode.on.net> <6139916C-1457-49D4-9B3C-0224C9D9DB4D@tft-bbs.co.uk> Message-ID: Hello Dane On 5 Jan 2011, at 11:01, Dane Trethowan wrote: > ? Probably a stupid thought but I wonder if Amazon sell them? They seem to sell everything else. > Funny you should say that; I looked on there from work this morning. I found one! I ordered one! 89 Pounds, but I decided to pay the extra 10 Pounds for an included 2GB SD card as we don't have any. So now I am home I'm off to try and find an electronic user guide. Lynne From martin at x.it.okstate.edu Wed Jan 5 14:50:31 2011 From: martin at x.it.okstate.edu (Martin McCormick) Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2011 08:50:31 -0600 Subject: Batteries (was Zoom! ) Message-ID: <201101051450.p05EoVs8072342@x.it.okstate.edu> This is fun to say, but you are all basically right. "Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith" quotes and then writes: > ? As far as rechargeable batteries go? I did understand that once upon a > not so long ago, the voltage of rechargeable batteries was less than that > of standard alkaline batteries though i'm not sure of the case with the > new batteries I'm using, they came with my Apple battery charger and from > all the research I've done the Apple batteries are just rebadged Sanyo > batteries. > Lynn: > I'm not going to get into a debate about this. I'm not an expert. All I > can tell you is that I have in front of me right now a pack of brand new > rechargeable batteries, AA type, bought on 23 December 2010. They are > rated at 1.2V which, according to the pack of standard AA batteries here, > in front of me, is .3 of a volt less than they are, as they are rated at > 1.5v. Spot on. The rechargeable batteries in question are probably NIMH or Nickel Metal Hydride which replaced the older and much more environmentally hazardous NiCad (Nickel Cadmium) batteries of days gone by. Even the United States has outlawed those. They are .3 volts less than alkaline and that does matter. That is essentially a 17% voltage drop and looks to the device in question like a partly-run-down battery especially if the recorder or whatever was engineered to run on 1.5-volt batteries. You will wonder why it isn't running as long as it should run. There are now rechargeable alkaline batteries which do charge back up to 1.5 volts but they also only let you recharge them a few times before they really are dead and won't recharge. Then, there are rechargeable lithium cells. I don't know enough about them to comment, but it is confusing and potentially dangerous if you happen to try to recharge either a single-use battery or put a rechargeable in the wrong type of charger. They can do anything from explode like a shot gun shell to spew out caustic chemicals in to your expensive equipment or on to your hands so be really careful. Rechargeables are wonderful but we have so many different types that smart people can easily make a mistake. Basically, read all the warnings on the chargers and the batteries and, if it doesn't say you can use this charger with that battery, don't do it even if it fits. Martin From lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk Wed Jan 5 16:11:58 2011 From: lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2011 16:11:58 +0000 Subject: Batteries (was Zoom! ) In-Reply-To: <201101051450.p05EoVs8072342@x.it.okstate.edu> References: <201101051450.p05EoVs8072342@x.it.okstate.edu> Message-ID: <058676AF-B611-4D42-A86B-594E319A82F2@tft-bbs.co.uk> Hello Martin On 5 Jan 2011, at 14:50, Martin McCormick wrote: > > ? Spot on. The rechargeable batteries in question are > probably NIMH or Nickel Metal Hydride which replaced the older > and much more environmentally hazardous NiCad (Nickel Cadmium) > batteries of days gone by. Even the United States has outlawed > those. > Correct. > ? They are .3 volts less than alkaline and that does matter. That is essentially a 17% voltage drop and looks to the device in question like a partly-run-down battery especially if the recorder or whatever was engineered to run on 1.5-volt batteries. You will wonder why it isn't running as long as it should run. > Gordon is telling me that, in certain CMOS devices it can actually do harm to the device to run it on a lower voltage than that for which it is designed. > ? There are now rechargeable alkaline batteries which do charge back up to 1.5 volts but they also only let you recharge > them a few times before they really are dead and won't recharge. > Still a darn sight cheaper than continuously replacing batteries at 3 Pounds a pack of 4. I removed your bottom paragraph because it told me nothing other than to be careful. I'm off to find the electronic guides if they exist for the Zoom. I ordered one for Gordon at lunchtime and found to my disgust that it wonb't be here until next week. So much for express delivery. Lynne From martin at x.it.okstate.edu Wed Jan 5 17:07:08 2011 From: martin at x.it.okstate.edu (Martin McCormick) Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2011 11:07:08 -0600 Subject: Batteries (was Zoom! ) Message-ID: <201101051707.p05H78PM073994@x.it.okstate.edu> Yes. CMOS and other logic families do odd or potentially destructive things when run at too low a voltage. Since even the right batteries fade out after being depleated, most well-designed devices have what are called brownout detectors that constantly read the battery voltage and compare it to a very stable reference voltage. If the comparator sees the battery voltage drop below the minimum acceptable value, it will send out a signal which may be tied to the CPU reset to force a total halt to operation. That keeps things from being cooked or may keep the CPU from having a psychotic episode and writing garbage to every sector on your hard drive. If the device was built to use 1.5-volt cells and you use the 1.2-volt cells, it starts out thinking, so to speak, that the batteries are low and it just gets worse from there. "Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith" writes: > Gordon is telling me that, in certain CMOS devices it can actually do > harm to the device to run it on a lower voltage than that for which it is > designed. > I removed your bottom paragraph because it told me nothing other than to > be careful. No problem at all. Martin From martin at x.it.okstate.edu Wed Jan 5 17:19:17 2011 From: martin at x.it.okstate.edu (Martin McCormick) Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2011 11:19:17 -0600 Subject: Batteries (was Zoom! ) Message-ID: <201101051719.p05HJH9n074102@x.it.okstate.edu> As an educated guess, I think that the only down side to using rechargeable batteries such as the 1.2-volt NIMH cells in a recorder like the Zoom is reduced operating time. Also rechargeable NIMH cells do eventually get to where they self-discharge so you might discover that your recorder is not able to record if it has been sitting idle for several days or weeks and you get ready to record a masterpiece only to find dead batteries. They certainly do save a lot of money during their life cycle. From lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk Wed Jan 5 20:02:45 2011 From: lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2011 20:02:45 +0000 Subject: Batteries (was Zoom! ) In-Reply-To: <201101051707.p05H78PM073994@x.it.okstate.edu> References: <201101051707.p05H78PM073994@x.it.okstate.edu> Message-ID: <8852C0C4-1E11-46B3-9E58-BB96062EF107@tft-bbs.co.uk> Hello Martin On 5 Jan 2011, at 17:07, Martin McCormick wrote: > ? Yes. CMOS and other logic families do odd or potentially > destructive things when run at too low a voltage. Since even the > right batteries fade out after being depleated, most > well-designed devices have what are called brownout detectors > that constantly read the battery voltage and compare it to a > very stable reference voltage. If the comparator sees the > battery voltage drop below the minimum acceptable value, it will > send out a signal which may be tied to the CPU reset to force a > total halt to operation. That keeps things from being cooked or > may keep the CPU from having a psychotic episode and writing > garbage to every sector on your hard drive. > Gordon says that sometimes excessive heat can be generated if you run something at too low a voltage because the current pull gets too high and all sorts of odd things start going on. It sounds a bit like a human being with a nasty virus; it sends the biological circuity into free-fall from which it sometimes can't recover. I think we'll be sticking with mains power where possible, and use the recommended batteries for all other times. On a different though related subject. I tried to download the users guide but honestly the site where the link on Google takes us for the manual as of last year is crazy. Lynne From grtdane at internode.on.net Wed Jan 5 20:13:26 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2011 07:13:26 +1100 Subject: Zoom! In-Reply-To: References: <3BD0E87D-57BD-43C5-9B3F-52380F2F3DEF@tft-bbs.co.uk> <9299BFD0-295D-4765-BCD9-C3AF11F95EF7@internode.on.net> <570C8AFD-ED7F-4CE5-8F0F-6B7151311CEC@tft-bbs.co.uk> <5A785A1F-336C-4744-ACAF-B219BC94AD37@blueyonder.co.uk> <9C3CB8BF-9E9B-4A75-AEC8-D85B6DF2A62D@tft-bbs.co.uk> <3A89C15F-27D4-4755-8B49-04CB5893DDB0@internode.on.net> <6139916C-1457-49D4-9B3C-0224C9D9DB4D@tft-bbs.co.uk> Message-ID: Well to the last point as that's far more important, a user guide in this context is hardly worth hunting for, nothing to operating these things, if you can press a record button on a cassette player then you can press the record button on a Zoom H1 and that's exactly what takes place, the Zoom H1 records, press the record button again to return to "Standby" mode where you can hear what the Zoom H1 is picking up through its input by plugging in a pair of headphones or speakers into the output of the H1. Note that the H1 has an internal "reference speaker" but this is only used when recorder is playing back a recording which makes sense, again like some of the old cassette recorders which used a headphones socket for the monitoring of the recording and the speaker for playback. On 06/01/2011, at 1:08 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hello Dane > > On 5 Jan 2011, at 11:01, Dane Trethowan wrote: > >> ? Probably a stupid thought but I wonder if Amazon sell them? They seem to sell everything else. >> > Funny you should say that; I looked on there from work this morning. I found one! I ordered one! > > 89 Pounds, but I decided to pay the extra 10 Pounds for an included 2GB SD card as we don't have any. > > So now I am home I'm off to try and find an electronic user guide. > > Lynne > > _______________________________________________ > > The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free > > To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: > http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html > From grtdane at internode.on.net Wed Jan 5 20:21:59 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2011 07:21:59 +1100 Subject: Batteries (was Zoom! ) In-Reply-To: <058676AF-B611-4D42-A86B-594E319A82F2@tft-bbs.co.uk> References: <201101051450.p05EoVs8072342@x.it.okstate.edu> <058676AF-B611-4D42-A86B-594E319A82F2@tft-bbs.co.uk> Message-ID: Well all I can say is that if my rechargible batteries last for 10 hours in the Zoom which they do - then they're doing a damn good job given that alkaline batteries are only supposed to last for 10 hours . On 06/01/2011, at 3:11 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hello Martin > > On 5 Jan 2011, at 14:50, Martin McCormick wrote: >> >> ? Spot on. The rechargeable batteries in question are >> probably NIMH or Nickel Metal Hydride which replaced the older >> and much more environmentally hazardous NiCad (Nickel Cadmium) >> batteries of days gone by. Even the United States has outlawed >> those. >> > Correct. > >> ? They are .3 volts less than alkaline and that does matter. That is essentially a 17% voltage drop and looks to the device in question like a partly-run-down battery especially if the recorder or whatever was engineered to run on 1.5-volt batteries. You will wonder why it isn't running as long as it should run. >> > Gordon is telling me that, in certain CMOS devices it can actually do harm to the device to run it on a lower voltage than that for which it is designed. > >> ? There are now rechargeable alkaline batteries which do charge back up to 1.5 volts but they also only let you recharge >> them a few times before they really are dead and won't recharge. >> > Still a darn sight cheaper than continuously replacing batteries at 3 Pounds a pack of 4. > > I removed your bottom paragraph because it told me nothing other than to be careful. I'm off to find the electronic guides if they exist for the Zoom. I ordered one for Gordon at lunchtime and found to my disgust that it wonb't be here until next week. So much for express delivery. > > Lynne > > _______________________________________________ > > The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free > > To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: > http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html > From marrie12 at gmail.com Wed Jan 5 20:42:46 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2011 12:42:46 -0800 Subject: Zoom! In-Reply-To: <24FD4687-0C38-4C7D-8DCD-AC59CDCD8A08@internode.on.net> References: <3BD0E87D-57BD-43C5-9B3F-52380F2F3DEF@tft-bbs.co.uk> <9299BFD0-295D-4765-BCD9-C3AF11F95EF7@internode.on.net> <570C8AFD-ED7F-4CE5-8F0F-6B7151311CEC@tft-bbs.co.uk> <5A785A1F-336C-4744-ACAF-B219BC94AD37@blueyonder.co.uk> <9C3CB8BF-9E9B-4A75-AEC8-D85B6DF2A62D@tft-bbs.co.uk> <3A89C15F-27D4-4755-8B49-04CB5893DDB0@internode.on.net> <6139916C-1457-49D4-9B3C-0224C9D9DB4D@tft-bbs.co.uk> <24FD4687-0C38-4C7D-8DCD-AC59CDCD8A08@internode.on.net> Message-ID: <7F831BC9-1C4E-463F-8EB3-C2BBA591CA76@gmail.com> You guys could just shop ebay. I get my new stuff from there and almot half the time almost half off of the retail price. Good luck in finiding your zome recording. I'll wait until the olympus dies on me. lol! S On Jan 5, 2011, at 2:59 AM, Dane Trethowan wrote: > Yep, my choice of outlets in Australia was limited but I managed to get one in the end. > > > On 05/01/2011, at 9:52 PM, Gordon Smith wrote: > >> My problem seems to be finding a UK supplier for the H1. I can only so far find one supplier and I'd really rather not deal with them if I can avoid it. I won't go into the why's and wherefore's for that, not on list anyway. But I have my reasons. >> >> If I can find a UK dealer, I'll probably go for the H1. >> >> Gordon >> >> On 5 Jan 2011, at 10:33, Dane Trethowan wrote: >> >>> You're right there, you're getting a professional recorder in the Zoom H1 for around ?50.00, that's only an estimate as mine cost $100.00 Australian dollars and for that price? Nearly a "giveaway" I reckon. >>> >>> Yep I harp on about the Zoom I know but why shouldn't others be aware of bargains and good quality one's at that . >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free >> >> To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: >> http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html >> > > _______________________________________________ > > The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free > > To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: > http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html > From grtdane at internode.on.net Wed Jan 5 20:42:55 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2011 07:42:55 +1100 Subject: Batteries Message-ID: <9EF22B96-2D69-44B8-B642-1FC0AC59ADD5@internode.on.net> Okay, just checked the specs of the Apple/Sanyo rechargible batteries I have, they're rated at 1.3 volts, yep certainly lower than 1.5 for alkaline batteries but higher than 1.2 so take that fact as you will . Just ordered some more of the Sanyo batteries from my local electronics store. $25.00 for 6 AA cells including a recommended charger, no complaints there! I use them on all sorts of things including my Zoom H1, the Apple Bluetooth Keyboard and Apple Magic trackpad. From gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk Wed Jan 5 23:25:09 2011 From: gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk (Gordon Smith) Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2011 23:25:09 +0000 Subject: Zoom! In-Reply-To: References: <3BD0E87D-57BD-43C5-9B3F-52380F2F3DEF@tft-bbs.co.uk> <9299BFD0-295D-4765-BCD9-C3AF11F95EF7@internode.on.net> <570C8AFD-ED7F-4CE5-8F0F-6B7151311CEC@tft-bbs.co.uk> <5A785A1F-336C-4744-ACAF-B219BC94AD37@blueyonder.co.uk> <9C3CB8BF-9E9B-4A75-AEC8-D85B6DF2A62D@tft-bbs.co.uk> <3A89C15F-27D4-4755-8B49-04CB5893DDB0@internode.on.net> <6139916C-1457-49D4-9B3C-0224C9D9DB4D@tft-bbs.co.uk> Message-ID: <8990628B-D214-48C8-9D9E-0CC057A86275@tft-bbs.co.uk> Hey, this is a real about-turn! :) Usually as I understand it, you won't even plug anything in unless you've spent a day trawling through the user manual first. Just joking, in case I'm not clear. But I personally am not fussed about user manuals and i told Lynne not to bother. I'd much rather find out how the thing works by fiddling around with it, as is my habit. I get very bored very quickly with manuals anyway, so it's really no big deal. Last comment, I really hope this thing is as good as it's being touted as being. I confess I am always a little skeptical of the fact that something is cheap because there is usually a reason why. I'm going to have to look at the specs of them all for myself I think to see if there are major differences. I must admit, the fact that the H2 has four microphones is quite an attraction. On the fly recording really doesn't bother me, as for what I want it for, there won't be any need to worry about that. But the enhanced audio might make it worth the effort. Gordon On 5 Jan 2011, at 20:13, Dane Trethowan wrote: > Well to the last point as that's far more important, a user guide in this context is hardly worth hunting for, nothing to operating these things, if you can press a record button on a cassette player then you can press the record button on a Zoom H1 and that's exactly what takes place, the Zoom H1 records, press the record button again to return to "Standby" mode where you can hear what the Zoom H1 is picking up through its input by plugging in a pair of headphones or speakers into the output of the H1. > > Note that the H1 has an internal "reference speaker" but this is only used when recorder is playing back a recording which makes sense, again like some of the old cassette recorders which used a headphones socket for the monitoring of the recording and the speaker for playback. > > > On 06/01/2011, at 1:08 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > >> Hello Dane >> >> On 5 Jan 2011, at 11:01, Dane Trethowan wrote: >> >>> ? Probably a stupid thought but I wonder if Amazon sell them? They seem to sell everything else. >>> >> Funny you should say that; I looked on there from work this morning. I found one! I ordered one! >> >> 89 Pounds, but I decided to pay the extra 10 Pounds for an included 2GB SD card as we don't have any. >> >> So now I am home I'm off to try and find an electronic user guide. >> >> Lynne >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free >> >> To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: >> http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html >> > > _______________________________________________ > > The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free > > To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: > http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html > From gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk Wed Jan 5 23:26:38 2011 From: gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk (Gordon Smith) Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2011 23:26:38 +0000 Subject: Batteries (was Zoom! ) In-Reply-To: References: <201101051450.p05EoVs8072342@x.it.okstate.edu> <058676AF-B611-4D42-A86B-594E319A82F2@tft-bbs.co.uk> Message-ID: <2097E7AD-4DCE-47D2-A3EE-18D79F0ECA64@tft-bbs.co.uk> You might have some of the new 1.5 volt rechargeable which means, of course, it isn't an issue in your case anyway. On 5 Jan 2011, at 20:21, Dane Trethowan wrote: > Well all I can say is that if my rechargible batteries last for 10 hours in the Zoom which they do - then they're doing a damn good job given that alkaline batteries are only supposed to last for 10 hours . > From gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk Wed Jan 5 23:28:49 2011 From: gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk (Gordon Smith) Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2011 23:28:49 +0000 Subject: Zoom! In-Reply-To: <7F831BC9-1C4E-463F-8EB3-C2BBA591CA76@gmail.com> References: <3BD0E87D-57BD-43C5-9B3F-52380F2F3DEF@tft-bbs.co.uk> <9299BFD0-295D-4765-BCD9-C3AF11F95EF7@internode.on.net> <570C8AFD-ED7F-4CE5-8F0F-6B7151311CEC@tft-bbs.co.uk> <5A785A1F-336C-4744-ACAF-B219BC94AD37@blueyonder.co.uk> <9C3CB8BF-9E9B-4A75-AEC8-D85B6DF2A62D@tft-bbs.co.uk> <3A89C15F-27D4-4755-8B49-04CB5893DDB0@internode.on.net> <6139916C-1457-49D4-9B3C-0224C9D9DB4D@tft-bbs.co.uk> <24FD4687-0C38-4C7D-8DCD-AC59CDCD8A08@internode.on.net> <7F831BC9-1C4E-463F-8EB3-C2BBA591CA76@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Sarah I had a bad experience once with a dealer on ebay, and I swore, never again. Ebay themselves wouldn't help me to resolve the issue, so I now only use PayPal, not eBay. Same company I now, but different function. On 5 Jan 2011, at 20:42, Sarah Alawami wrote: > You guys could just shop ebay. I get my new stuff from there and almot half the time almost half off of the retail price. > > Good luck in finiding your zome recording. I'll wait until the olympus dies on me. lol! From gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk Wed Jan 5 23:30:10 2011 From: gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk (Gordon Smith) Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2011 23:30:10 +0000 Subject: Batteries In-Reply-To: <9EF22B96-2D69-44B8-B642-1FC0AC59ADD5@internode.on.net> References: <9EF22B96-2D69-44B8-B642-1FC0AC59ADD5@internode.on.net> Message-ID: To each their own. On 5 Jan 2011, at 20:42, Dane Trethowan wrote: > Okay, just checked the specs of the Apple/Sanyo rechargible batteries I have, they're rated at 1.3 volts, yep certainly lower than 1.5 for alkaline batteries but higher than 1.2 so take that fact as you will . > > Just ordered some more of the Sanyo batteries from my local electronics store. $25.00 for 6 AA cells including a recommended charger, no complaints there! I use them on all sorts of things including my Zoom H1, the Apple Bluetooth Keyboard and Apple Magic trackpad. From moopiecurran at gmail.com Thu Jan 6 00:24:34 2011 From: moopiecurran at gmail.com (Courtney Curran) Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2011 19:24:34 -0500 Subject: CCrane Witness Radio In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4811FB6D-8BA4-4280-904E-849C5F9928A1@gmail.com> Hi, Does this radio talk?It sure does look interesting, like you said, worth it's price tag. Courtney On Jan 2, 2011, at 8:07 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote: > Hi! > > Does anyone have or has anyone tried one of these radio sets? According to the information at www.ccrane.com the radio is supposed to record FM and AM broadcasts in MP3 format, you're apparently able to set the bit rate. The radio also sports a line in and microphone jack. > > The CCrane Witness is charged from a USB port on your computer, when its connected you can copy the files from the radio to your computer for storage etc. > > The radio has some programmable timers but I expect that we won't be able to use those. > > Anyway supposing most of it is usable then I think the price is a good one and I may consider buying one, I'm not worried so much about the timers, so long as I can "record" radio at the touch of a button or two? Well that will suit me just fine! > > As a footnote to all this, I purchased the CCrane EP radio and it arrived just in time for Christmas, the radio is reviewed at www.blindcooltech.com and I've also written some additional notes on the set at my blog so feel free to read and comment. > > > _______________________________________________ > > The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free > > To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: > http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html > From marrie12 at gmail.com Thu Jan 6 00:25:53 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2011 16:25:53 -0800 Subject: Zoom! In-Reply-To: <8990628B-D214-48C8-9D9E-0CC057A86275@tft-bbs.co.uk> References: <3BD0E87D-57BD-43C5-9B3F-52380F2F3DEF@tft-bbs.co.uk> <9299BFD0-295D-4765-BCD9-C3AF11F95EF7@internode.on.net> <570C8AFD-ED7F-4CE5-8F0F-6B7151311CEC@tft-bbs.co.uk> <5A785A1F-336C-4744-ACAF-B219BC94AD37@blueyonder.co.uk> <9C3CB8BF-9E9B-4A75-AEC8-D85B6DF2A62D@tft-bbs.co.uk> <3A89C15F-27D4-4755-8B49-04CB5893DDB0@internode.on.net> <6139916C-1457-49D4-9B3C-0224C9D9DB4D@tft-bbs.co.uk> <8990628B-D214-48C8-9D9E-0CC057A86275@tft-bbs.co.uk> Message-ID: Neal does a very good review of the thing at http://www.blindcooltech.com. He talks about specks and mic patterns and such. S On Jan 5, 2011, at 3:25 PM, Gordon Smith wrote: > Hey, this is a real about-turn! :) Usually as I understand it, you won't even plug anything in unless you've spent a day trawling through the user manual first. Just joking, in case I'm not clear. > > But I personally am not fussed about user manuals and i told Lynne not to bother. I'd much rather find out how the thing works by fiddling around with it, as is my habit. > > I get very bored very quickly with manuals anyway, so it's really no big deal. > > Last comment, I really hope this thing is as good as it's being touted as being. I confess I am always a little skeptical of the fact that something is cheap because there is usually a reason why. I'm going to have to look at the specs of them all for myself I think to see if there are major differences. I must admit, the fact that the H2 has four microphones is quite an attraction. On the fly recording really doesn't bother me, as for what I want it for, there won't be any need to worry about that. But the enhanced audio might make it worth the effort. > > Gordon > > On 5 Jan 2011, at 20:13, Dane Trethowan wrote: > >> Well to the last point as that's far more important, a user guide in this context is hardly worth hunting for, nothing to operating these things, if you can press a record button on a cassette player then you can press the record button on a Zoom H1 and that's exactly what takes place, the Zoom H1 records, press the record button again to return to "Standby" mode where you can hear what the Zoom H1 is picking up through its input by plugging in a pair of headphones or speakers into the output of the H1. >> >> Note that the H1 has an internal "reference speaker" but this is only used when recorder is playing back a recording which makes sense, again like some of the old cassette recorders which used a headphones socket for the monitoring of the recording and the speaker for playback. >> >> >> On 06/01/2011, at 1:08 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: >> >>> Hello Dane >>> >>> On 5 Jan 2011, at 11:01, Dane Trethowan wrote: >>> >>>> ? Probably a stupid thought but I wonder if Amazon sell them? They seem to sell everything else. >>>> >>> Funny you should say that; I looked on there from work this morning. I found one! I ordered one! >>> >>> 89 Pounds, but I decided to pay the extra 10 Pounds for an included 2GB SD card as we don't have any. >>> >>> So now I am home I'm off to try and find an electronic user guide. >>> >>> Lynne >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free >>> >>> To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: >>> http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free >> >> To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: >> http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html >> > > _______________________________________________ > > The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free > > To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: > http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html > From marrie12 at gmail.com Thu Jan 6 00:26:49 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2011 16:26:49 -0800 Subject: Zoom! In-Reply-To: References: <3BD0E87D-57BD-43C5-9B3F-52380F2F3DEF@tft-bbs.co.uk> <9299BFD0-295D-4765-BCD9-C3AF11F95EF7@internode.on.net> <570C8AFD-ED7F-4CE5-8F0F-6B7151311CEC@tft-bbs.co.uk> <5A785A1F-336C-4744-ACAF-B219BC94AD37@blueyonder.co.uk> <9C3CB8BF-9E9B-4A75-AEC8-D85B6DF2A62D@tft-bbs.co.uk> <3A89C15F-27D4-4755-8B49-04CB5893DDB0@internode.on.net> <6139916C-1457-49D4-9B3C-0224C9D9DB4D@tft-bbs.co.uk> <24FD4687-0C38-4C7D-8DCD-AC59CDCD8A08@internode.on.net> <7F831BC9-1C4E-463F-8EB3-C2BBA591CA76@gmail.com> Message-ID: <0318EC3C-A9A3-4941-A4EF-2298796FF67D@gmail.com> lol. I've never thus far have had a bad experience but yeah I'd suggest looking there just in case and ask questions galore before you commit to buying the product. S On Jan 5, 2011, at 3:28 PM, Gordon Smith wrote: > Hi Sarah > > I had a bad experience once with a dealer on ebay, and I swore, never again. Ebay themselves wouldn't help me to resolve the issue, so I now only use PayPal, not eBay. > > Same company I now, but different function. > > > On 5 Jan 2011, at 20:42, Sarah Alawami wrote: > >> You guys could just shop ebay. I get my new stuff from there and almot half the time almost half off of the retail price. >> >> Good luck in finiding your zome recording. I'll wait until the olympus dies on me. lol! > > _______________________________________________ > > The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free > > To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: > http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html > From grtdane at internode.on.net Thu Jan 6 00:38:33 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2011 11:38:33 +1100 Subject: Zoom! In-Reply-To: <8990628B-D214-48C8-9D9E-0CC057A86275@tft-bbs.co.uk> References: <3BD0E87D-57BD-43C5-9B3F-52380F2F3DEF@tft-bbs.co.uk> <9299BFD0-295D-4765-BCD9-C3AF11F95EF7@internode.on.net> <570C8AFD-ED7F-4CE5-8F0F-6B7151311CEC@tft-bbs.co.uk> <5A785A1F-336C-4744-ACAF-B219BC94AD37@blueyonder.co.uk> <9C3CB8BF-9E9B-4A75-AEC8-D85B6DF2A62D@tft-bbs.co.uk> <3A89C15F-27D4-4755-8B49-04CB5893DDB0@internode.on.net> <6139916C-1457-49D4-9B3C-0224C9D9DB4D@tft-bbs.co.uk> <8990628B-D214-48C8-9D9E-0CC057A86275@tft-bbs.co.uk> Message-ID: You won't have to fiddle for any long period of time, I estimate around about 10 seconds at the very most! On 06/01/2011, at 10:25 AM, Gordon Smith wrote: > Hey, this is a real about-turn! :) Usually as I understand it, you won't even plug anything in unless you've spent a day trawling through the user manual first. Just joking, in case I'm not clear. > > But I personally am not fussed about user manuals and i told Lynne not to bother. I'd much rather find out how the thing works by fiddling around with it, as is my habit. > > I get very bored very quickly with manuals anyway, so it's really no big deal. > > Last comment, I really hope this thing is as good as it's being touted as being. I confess I am always a little skeptical of the fact that something is cheap because there is usually a reason why. I'm going to have to look at the specs of them all for myself I think to see if there are major differences. I must admit, the fact that the H2 has four microphones is quite an attraction. On the fly recording really doesn't bother me, as for what I want it for, there won't be any need to worry about that. But the enhanced audio might make it worth the effort. > > Gordon > > On 5 Jan 2011, at 20:13, Dane Trethowan wrote: > >> Well to the last point as that's far more important, a user guide in this context is hardly worth hunting for, nothing to operating these things, if you can press a record button on a cassette player then you can press the record button on a Zoom H1 and that's exactly what takes place, the Zoom H1 records, press the record button again to return to "Standby" mode where you can hear what the Zoom H1 is picking up through its input by plugging in a pair of headphones or speakers into the output of the H1. >> >> Note that the H1 has an internal "reference speaker" but this is only used when recorder is playing back a recording which makes sense, again like some of the old cassette recorders which used a headphones socket for the monitoring of the recording and the speaker for playback. >> >> >> On 06/01/2011, at 1:08 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: >> >>> Hello Dane >>> >>> On 5 Jan 2011, at 11:01, Dane Trethowan wrote: >>> >>>> ? Probably a stupid thought but I wonder if Amazon sell them? They seem to sell everything else. >>>> >>> Funny you should say that; I looked on there from work this morning. I found one! I ordered one! >>> >>> 89 Pounds, but I decided to pay the extra 10 Pounds for an included 2GB SD card as we don't have any. >>> >>> So now I am home I'm off to try and find an electronic user guide. >>> >>> Lynne >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free >>> >>> To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: >>> http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free >> >> To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: >> http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html >> > > _______________________________________________ > > The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free > > To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: > http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html > From grtdane at internode.on.net Thu Jan 6 00:41:13 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2011 11:41:13 +1100 Subject: Ebay was Re: Zoom! In-Reply-To: References: <3BD0E87D-57BD-43C5-9B3F-52380F2F3DEF@tft-bbs.co.uk> <9299BFD0-295D-4765-BCD9-C3AF11F95EF7@internode.on.net> <570C8AFD-ED7F-4CE5-8F0F-6B7151311CEC@tft-bbs.co.uk> <5A785A1F-336C-4744-ACAF-B219BC94AD37@blueyonder.co.uk> <9C3CB8BF-9E9B-4A75-AEC8-D85B6DF2A62D@tft-bbs.co.uk> <3A89C15F-27D4-4755-8B49-04CB5893DDB0@internode.on.net> <6139916C-1457-49D4-9B3C-0224C9D9DB4D@tft-bbs.co.uk> <24FD4687-0C38-4C7D-8DCD-AC59CDCD8A08@internode.on.net> <7F831BC9-1C4E-463F-8EB3-C2BBA591CA76@gmail.com> Message-ID: <46531243-1BAA-44A4-969E-1E31A40E2A4A@internode.on.net> Okay, I've had one problem with Ebay but now I use Paypal and Ebay, I'm covered should anything go wrong. No doubt about it, there are some nasty people on Ebay as there are anywhere else so what to do? First thing to do in my humble opinion is to read the sellers feedback ratings and other information, strange as it may seem sellers know that word of mouth is their best friend or worst enemy as the case may be. I bought a Sony microphone from Ebay, only place I could buy it from to my knowledge, microphone was received without a problem. On 06/01/2011, at 10:28 AM, Gordon Smith wrote: > Hi Sarah > > I had a bad experience once with a dealer on ebay, and I swore, never again. Ebay themselves wouldn't help me to resolve the issue, so I now only use PayPal, not eBay. > > Same company I now, but different function. > > > On 5 Jan 2011, at 20:42, Sarah Alawami wrote: > >> You guys could just shop ebay. I get my new stuff from there and almot half the time almost half off of the retail price. >> >> Good luck in finiding your zome recording. I'll wait until the olympus dies on me. lol! > > _______________________________________________ > > The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free > > To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: > http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html > From grtdane at internode.on.net Thu Jan 6 00:43:53 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2011 11:43:53 +1100 Subject: Batteries (was Zoom! ) In-Reply-To: <2097E7AD-4DCE-47D2-A3EE-18D79F0ECA64@tft-bbs.co.uk> References: <201101051450.p05EoVs8072342@x.it.okstate.edu> <058676AF-B611-4D42-A86B-594E319A82F2@tft-bbs.co.uk> <2097E7AD-4DCE-47D2-A3EE-18D79F0ECA64@tft-bbs.co.uk> Message-ID: <97E8A454-CF98-43A5-8648-4B5AEB0CFE04@internode.on.net> Possible, they wouldn't be too lower a voltage I would think for Apple to recommend them for their products. On 06/01/2011, at 10:26 AM, Gordon Smith wrote: > You might have some of the new 1.5 volt rechargeable which means, of course, it isn't an issue in your case anyway. > > > On 5 Jan 2011, at 20:21, Dane Trethowan wrote: > >> Well all I can say is that if my rechargible batteries last for 10 hours in the Zoom which they do - then they're doing a damn good job given that alkaline batteries are only supposed to last for 10 hours . >> > > _______________________________________________ > > The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free > > To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: > http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html > From marrie12 at gmail.com Thu Jan 6 00:44:07 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2011 16:44:07 -0800 Subject: =?windows-1252?Q?Watch_CES_2011_Steve_Ballmer=92s_Opening_Keynot?= =?windows-1252?Q?e_Live_Streaming_?= Message-ID: <496AD0CF-A5CB-48E3-9FF4-249A249D6828@gmail.com> I did not test for accessibility and it might already be over by now but check this out. http://goo.gl/fb/gzWMH #general #news From grtdane at internode.on.net Thu Jan 6 00:44:30 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2011 11:44:30 +1100 Subject: CCrane Witness Radio In-Reply-To: <4811FB6D-8BA4-4280-904E-849C5F9928A1@gmail.com> References: <4811FB6D-8BA4-4280-904E-849C5F9928A1@gmail.com> Message-ID: No doesn't talk however still worth its price tag if I can manage to use it. On 06/01/2011, at 11:24 AM, Courtney Curran wrote: > Hi, > Does this radio talk?It sure does look interesting, like you said, worth it's price tag. > Courtney > > On Jan 2, 2011, at 8:07 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote: > >> Hi! >> >> Does anyone have or has anyone tried one of these radio sets? According to the information at www.ccrane.com the radio is supposed to record FM and AM broadcasts in MP3 format, you're apparently able to set the bit rate. The radio also sports a line in and microphone jack. >> >> The CCrane Witness is charged from a USB port on your computer, when its connected you can copy the files from the radio to your computer for storage etc. >> >> The radio has some programmable timers but I expect that we won't be able to use those. >> >> Anyway supposing most of it is usable then I think the price is a good one and I may consider buying one, I'm not worried so much about the timers, so long as I can "record" radio at the touch of a button or two? Well that will suit me just fine! >> >> As a footnote to all this, I purchased the CCrane EP radio and it arrived just in time for Christmas, the radio is reviewed at www.blindcooltech.com and I've also written some additional notes on the set at my blog so feel free to read and comment. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free >> >> To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: >> http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html >> > > _______________________________________________ > > The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free > > To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: > http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html > From grtdane at internode.on.net Thu Jan 6 00:48:04 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2011 11:48:04 +1100 Subject: Zoom! In-Reply-To: <0318EC3C-A9A3-4941-A4EF-2298796FF67D@gmail.com> References: <3BD0E87D-57BD-43C5-9B3F-52380F2F3DEF@tft-bbs.co.uk> <9299BFD0-295D-4765-BCD9-C3AF11F95EF7@internode.on.net> <570C8AFD-ED7F-4CE5-8F0F-6B7151311CEC@tft-bbs.co.uk> <5A785A1F-336C-4744-ACAF-B219BC94AD37@blueyonder.co.uk> <9C3CB8BF-9E9B-4A75-AEC8-D85B6DF2A62D@tft-bbs.co.uk> <3A89C15F-27D4-4755-8B49-04CB5893DDB0@internode.on.net> <6139916C-1457-49D4-9B3C-0224C9D9DB4D@tft-bbs.co.uk> <24FD4687-0C38-4C7D-8DCD-AC59CDCD8A08@internode.on.net> <7F831BC9-1C4E-463F-8EB3-C2BBA591CA76@gmail.com> <0318EC3C-A9A3-4941-A4EF-2298796FF67D@gmail.com> Message-ID: The problem with the question feature now is that Ebay - for reasons best known unto themselves - require you enter a word verification code before you ask a single question of a seller, at least on the Australian Web Site at any rate. Whilst Firefox under Windows has a plug-in that supports such things which I use, the Mac does not thus its a real pain in the behind sometimes. Why Ebay changed this I'll never know, I suppose its something to do with security but I would have thought that Ebay or anyone else including the seller could easily verify a user of Ebay by their feedback and so on without the use of verification codes. On 06/01/2011, at 11:26 AM, Sarah Alawami wrote: > lol. I've never thus far have had a bad experience but yeah I'd suggest looking there just in case and ask questions galore before you commit to buying the product. > > S > On Jan 5, 2011, at 3:28 PM, Gordon Smith wrote: > >> Hi Sarah >> >> I had a bad experience once with a dealer on ebay, and I swore, never again. Ebay themselves wouldn't help me to resolve the issue, so I now only use PayPal, not eBay. >> >> Same company I now, but different function. >> >> >> On 5 Jan 2011, at 20:42, Sarah Alawami wrote: >> >>> You guys could just shop ebay. I get my new stuff from there and almot half the time almost half off of the retail price. >>> >>> Good luck in finiding your zome recording. I'll wait until the olympus dies on me. lol! >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free >> >> To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: >> http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html >> > > _______________________________________________ > > The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free > > To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: > http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html > From gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk Thu Jan 6 16:32:31 2011 From: gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk (Gordon Smith) Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2011 16:32:31 +0000 Subject: Zoom! In-Reply-To: <0318EC3C-A9A3-4941-A4EF-2298796FF67D@gmail.com> References: <3BD0E87D-57BD-43C5-9B3F-52380F2F3DEF@tft-bbs.co.uk> <9299BFD0-295D-4765-BCD9-C3AF11F95EF7@internode.on.net> <570C8AFD-ED7F-4CE5-8F0F-6B7151311CEC@tft-bbs.co.uk> <5A785A1F-336C-4744-ACAF-B219BC94AD37@blueyonder.co.uk> <9C3CB8BF-9E9B-4A75-AEC8-D85B6DF2A62D@tft-bbs.co.uk> <3A89C15F-27D4-4755-8B49-04CB5893DDB0@internode.on.net> <6139916C-1457-49D4-9B3C-0224C9D9DB4D@tft-bbs.co.uk> <24FD4687-0C38-4C7D-8DCD-AC59CDCD8A08@internode.on.net> <7F831BC9-1C4E-463F-8EB3-C2BBA591CA76@gmail.com> <0318EC3C-A9A3-4941-A4EF-2298796FF67D@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Sarah On 6 Jan 2011, at 00:26, Sarah Alawami wrote: > lol. I've never thus far have had a bad experience but yeah I'd suggest looking there just in case and ask questions galore before you commit to buying the product. Sometimes, in my experience, dealers just make the noises you want to hear, rather than always telling the truth That was the problem I had actually with a dealer on eBay. I ordered an item which they said was in stock. Turns out, as soon as I'd ordered, that it asn't in stock and the dealer told me they weren't expecting the item for 6 weeks. Well, I asked them to back-order it. So they did. But over here in the UK there is legislation which prevents a dealer from charging a customer for an item that's on back-order with a supplier unless they make it very clear to the customer that they are charging, and why. Well; they took my money without telling me, and they refused to refund the money, telling me that it was on back-order and I'd just have to wait a while. 6 Weeks later it still had not arrived and so I got back in touch. This time they said it would be here in a couple of months time. I contacted eBay who said it was a matter between the dealer and myself. I ended up going to trading standards in order to get this resolved. And it turned out that the so-called dealer had no intention of supplying me with the goods, so they were eventually forced to give me a refund, plus the going rate of interest which I'd lost on the money through not having it in the bank. I eventually contacted a different dealer after having received my refund and they got the radio I wanted to me within 48 hours of ordering it, and at 200 Pounds less than the original dealer quoted. I'm talking about amateur radio equipment here and these radios or, as we often call them, black boxes, often retail for several hundred, if not thousands of Pounds (Dollars). The specific Kenwood radio I wanted had an RRP of ?1400 Sterling but I ended up getting it for ?1150 Sterling instead. I still have that radio, although it's not in working order. I think, (I hope), it's just the automatic tuner that's failed on it because it could be an expensive fix if not, as and when I eventually do decide to get it looked at, if I do. I don't habe an HF antenna system anymore, as the one I used to use got damaged by a heavy wind storm a couple of years back and we took it down. In fact, it was quite lucky we did because we discovered that the entire antenna assembly which housed my rotator, 2 beams for VHF and UHF as well as the mounting point for the head of the HF antenna, had suffered a lot of damage and if we'd left it there it would have come crashing down with the next strong wind and probably smashed a lot of the tiles on our roof. So all I have now for amateur radio is a VHF and UHF colinear which is fine for local work, but obviously I've lost the ability to use SSB on either VHF or UHF because typically, one uses horizontal polarisation down on 144 MHZ and 432 MHZ. Anyway, I'm waffling. But, for the benefit of any amateur who happens to be reading this, 73 to you all de G0BZC. Gordon From gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk Thu Jan 6 16:35:14 2011 From: gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk (Gordon Smith) Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2011 16:35:14 +0000 Subject: Zoom! In-Reply-To: References: <3BD0E87D-57BD-43C5-9B3F-52380F2F3DEF@tft-bbs.co.uk> <9299BFD0-295D-4765-BCD9-C3AF11F95EF7@internode.on.net> <570C8AFD-ED7F-4CE5-8F0F-6B7151311CEC@tft-bbs.co.uk> <5A785A1F-336C-4744-ACAF-B219BC94AD37@blueyonder.co.uk> <9C3CB8BF-9E9B-4A75-AEC8-D85B6DF2A62D@tft-bbs.co.uk> <3A89C15F-27D4-4755-8B49-04CB5893DDB0@internode.on.net> <6139916C-1457-49D4-9B3C-0224C9D9DB4D@tft-bbs.co.uk> <8990628B-D214-48C8-9D9E-0CC057A86275@tft-bbs.co.uk> Message-ID: <299FBF3D-5F33-4782-B0FC-B948FB658A1B@tft-bbs.co.uk> I'm still wondering whether we should have gone for the H2. It seems that the microphones and the ability to record in surround sound are different. I had a listen to the review but some of the tie I wasn't sure which he was using. And he didn't even mention the four-channel thing, not that I noticed anyway. But reading the technical specification it seems that the H2 is capable of far better reproduction. On 6 Jan 2011, at 00:38, Dane Trethowan wrote: > You won't have to fiddle for any long period of time, I estimate around about 10 seconds at the very most! From gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk Thu Jan 6 16:39:19 2011 From: gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk (Gordon Smith) Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2011 16:39:19 +0000 Subject: Ebay was Re: Zoom! In-Reply-To: <46531243-1BAA-44A4-969E-1E31A40E2A4A@internode.on.net> References: <3BD0E87D-57BD-43C5-9B3F-52380F2F3DEF@tft-bbs.co.uk> <9299BFD0-295D-4765-BCD9-C3AF11F95EF7@internode.on.net> <570C8AFD-ED7F-4CE5-8F0F-6B7151311CEC@tft-bbs.co.uk> <5A785A1F-336C-4744-ACAF-B219BC94AD37@blueyonder.co.uk> <9C3CB8BF-9E9B-4A75-AEC8-D85B6DF2A62D@tft-bbs.co.uk> <3A89C15F-27D4-4755-8B49-04CB5893DDB0@internode.on.net> <6139916C-1457-49D4-9B3C-0224C9D9DB4D@tft-bbs.co.uk> <24FD4687-0C38-4C7D-8DCD-AC59CDCD8A08@internode.on.net> <7F831BC9-1C4E-463F-8EB3-C2BBA591CA76@gmail.com> <46531243-1BAA-44A4-969E-1E31A40E2A4A@internode.on.net> Message-ID: <794E614F-B636-4353-9316-AED0D3E36206@tft-bbs.co.uk> Hi On 6 Jan 2011, at 00:41, Dane Trethowan wrote: > Okay, I've had one problem with Ebay but now I use Paypal and Ebay, I'm covered should anything go wrong. > I used PayPal when I had that problem I described in an earlier message. > No doubt about it, there are some nasty people on Ebay as there are anywhere else so what to do? First thing to do in my humble opinion is to read the sellers feedback ratings and other information, strange as it may seem sellers know that word of mouth is their best friend or worst enemy as the case may be. > I wouldn't rely on that too much if I were you. It's dead easy for sellers to create false accounts and bump up their own feedback. > I bought a Sony microphone from Ebay, only place I could buy it from to my knowledge, microphone was received without a problem. > Good. You seem to be collecting new radios and microphones these days. Do you have any room in your house for things like a bedroom? :) Just joking, before anybody jumps on their high horse. Gordon From gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk Thu Jan 6 16:40:09 2011 From: gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk (Gordon Smith) Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2011 16:40:09 +0000 Subject: Batteries (was Zoom! ) In-Reply-To: <97E8A454-CF98-43A5-8648-4B5AEB0CFE04@internode.on.net> References: <201101051450.p05EoVs8072342@x.it.okstate.edu> <058676AF-B611-4D42-A86B-594E319A82F2@tft-bbs.co.uk> <2097E7AD-4DCE-47D2-A3EE-18D79F0ECA64@tft-bbs.co.uk> <97E8A454-CF98-43A5-8648-4B5AEB0CFE04@internode.on.net> Message-ID: You just hit the nail on the head, their products. On 6 Jan 2011, at 00:43, Dane Trethowan wrote: > Possible, they wouldn't be too lower a voltage I would think for Apple to recommend them for their products. > > > On 06/01/2011, at 10:26 AM, Gordon Smith wrote: > >> You might have some of the new 1.5 volt rechargeable which means, of course, it isn't an issue in your case anyway. >> >> >> On 5 Jan 2011, at 20:21, Dane Trethowan wrote: >> >>> Well all I can say is that if my rechargible batteries last for 10 hours in the Zoom which they do - then they're doing a damn good job given that alkaline batteries are only supposed to last for 10 hours . >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free >> >> To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: >> http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html >> > > _______________________________________________ > > The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free > > To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: > http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html > From martin at x.it.okstate.edu Thu Jan 6 17:18:07 2011 From: martin at x.it.okstate.edu (Martin McCormick) Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2011 11:18:07 -0600 Subject: Amateur Radio (was Zoom! ) Message-ID: <201101061718.p06HI7wa086934@x.it.okstate.edu> Gordon Smith writes: > I don't habe an HF antenna system anymore, as the one I used to use got > damaged by a heavy wind storm a couple of years back and we took it down. That reminds me of when I put up my HF antenna system in 1998. Due to size limitations, it is made up of the guy wires on the tower with heavy ceramic insulators that can withstand ten-thousand pounds of tention so they are made for this purpose. They look a lot like coffee mugs except that they are solid except for a couple of holes where the guy wires pass through. This makes them weigh maybe a pound or so. My tower is 48 feet above the ground and the guy wires attach at 45 feet. I was up there one day putting the top set of guy wires on when one of the insulators slipped out of my hands before I had attached it to the tower with a short loop of wire. About a second and a half later, I heard a sickening crunch. There was nothing to do but climb back down and start looking for the insulator or the hole it made in our roof. I got down and walked around the base but found no insulator. I got Beverly to come outside and look. No insulator. They are white so they should not be hard to see against the Winter brown grass. She walked away from the house which gave a view of the roof and there was no gaping hole nor no white insulator. It seemed to have vanished in to thin air. As Beverly was walking back toward the house I heard her exclaim, "There it is!" Our dog had probably heard the insulator hit the ground and run to the base of the tower, grabbed it and run off to the other side of the yard to chew on it. Glased ceramic is not actually a very good chew toy for a dog so she probably dropped it immediately after trying to bite it and left it about 50 feet away from the tower. I am so glad it didn't hit the dog as it could have killed her if it hit her head. I regained custody of the insulator and this time, got it properly attached. It is still there twelve years later. The Solar flux which reflects activity on the Sun is slowly rising again so ten meters and eventually six meters should start waking up again so I hope you can get some sort of an HF antenna and a working transceiver soon. It is good fun. Martin McCormick WB5AGZ Stillwater, OK > > So all I have now for amateur radio is a VHF and UHF colinear which is > fine for local work, but obviously I've lost the ability to use SSB on > either VHF or UHF because typically, one uses horizontal polarisation > down on 144 MHZ and 432 MHZ. > > Anyway, I'm waffling. But, for the benefit of any amateur who happens to > be reading this, 73 to you all de G0BZC. > > Gordon > > > > _______________________________________________ > > The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, > virus and worm-free > > To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated > web pages located at > http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group > since the 12th of April 2010, at: > http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html > > From gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk Thu Jan 6 17:40:54 2011 From: gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk (Gordon Smith) Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2011 17:40:54 +0000 Subject: Amateur Radio (was Zoom! ) In-Reply-To: <201101061718.p06HI7wa086934@x.it.okstate.edu> References: <201101061718.p06HI7wa086934@x.it.okstate.edu> Message-ID: <0A003441-F73B-47D4-9FE1-7A015D2F198A@tft-bbs.co.uk> Hi Martin We don't have the luxury of space for towers and things, so antenna assemblies have to be mounted on our buildings' external walls. In the case of the HF antenna, it was a W4DZZ trapped di-plole, (which I made myself), and we had to speak very nicely to our then neighbours to get their permission to climb one of their trees to mount one leg of the antenna via a rope to the top of the tree trunk. It worked well for a while, but the weather played horrible tricks on me about a year after we mounted it and it was never the same again after the running repairs. On 6 Jan 2011, at 17:18, Martin McCormick wrote: > That reminds me of when I put up my HF antenna system in > 1998. Due to size limitations, it is made up of the guy wires on > the tower with heavy ceramic insulators that can withstand > ten-thousand pounds of tention so they are made for this > purpose. From martin at x.it.okstate.edu Thu Jan 6 18:12:24 2011 From: martin at x.it.okstate.edu (Martin McCormick) Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2011 12:12:24 -0600 Subject: Amateur Radio (was Zoom! ) Message-ID: <201101061812.p06ICOr4087525@x.it.okstate.edu> My HF station is not really up to par right now because I need to reconfigure things to hopefully reduce the amount of electrical power mains interference I have at my location. I presently feed all 3 guy wires at the top end of the tower which makes for an electrically shorter end-fed long wire but it beautifully picks up every bit of power line static in the area except for times when it is very wet outside at which time it is murcifully quiet and one can actually hear signals. I have a balun ready to go up the tower but I would like to build a relay bank to switch 2 out of 3 wires in to the balun which would effectively rotate the HF antenna. Presently, I do not have any sealed heavy-duty relays which one needs when installing such things out doors. I still use a sort of old-fashioned setup with a separate receiver and transmitter. The receiver is an Icom R75 which is only 3 years old but the transmitter is a Halicrafter HT37. Don't let the HT fool you. It weighs over 60 pounds so it is not the sort of HT one would want to hang on one's belt. Anyway, I hope to re-fit the HF antenna soon and reduce some of the noise. It is a real shame that short wave broadcasting is dying. If you like religious zealotry and political extremism, there's still plenty of that, but all the good stuff is getting harder to find on short wave. Take care. I know you have a lot going right now. Martin Gordon Smith writes: > We don't have the luxury of space for towers and things, so antenna > assemblies have to be mounted on our buildings' external walls. In the > case of the HF antenna, it was a W4DZZ trapped di-plole, (which I made > myself), and we had to speak very nicely to our then neighbours to get > their permission to climb one of their trees to mount one leg of the > antenna via a rope to the top of the tree trunk. From grtdane at internode.on.net Thu Jan 6 20:08:06 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2011 07:08:06 +1100 Subject: Zoom! In-Reply-To: <299FBF3D-5F33-4782-B0FC-B948FB658A1B@tft-bbs.co.uk> References: <3BD0E87D-57BD-43C5-9B3F-52380F2F3DEF@tft-bbs.co.uk> <9299BFD0-295D-4765-BCD9-C3AF11F95EF7@internode.on.net> <570C8AFD-ED7F-4CE5-8F0F-6B7151311CEC@tft-bbs.co.uk> <5A785A1F-336C-4744-ACAF-B219BC94AD37@blueyonder.co.uk> <9C3CB8BF-9E9B-4A75-AEC8-D85B6DF2A62D@tft-bbs.co.uk> <3A89C15F-27D4-4755-8B49-04CB5893DDB0@internode.on.net> <6139916C-1457-49D4-9B3C-0224C9D9DB4D@tft-bbs.co.uk> <8990628B-D214-48C8-9D9E-0CC057A86275@tft-bbs.co.uk> <299FBF3D-5F33-4782-B0FC-B948FB658A1B@tft-bbs.co.uk> Message-ID: <904938F9-270A-40A2-9275-07D48A057EFE@internode.on.net> The Zoom H1 is a stereo recorder but has better electronics and audio than the Zoom H2, as I said earlier the Zoom H2 is feature packed but not as good in quality when recording, if you wanted surround-sound in a good quality recorder then I would have paid the extra money as I did and bought the Zoom H4, far better recorder, then we have the issue of the menu systems in the H2 and H4, yep can get around the menus in the H4 but its all a question of time and when I want to record something? Well I pull out the H1 as I just want to start recording then and there and I don't have a lot of time . On 07/01/2011, at 3:35 AM, Gordon Smith wrote: > I'm still wondering whether we should have gone for the H2. It seems that the microphones and the ability to record in surround sound are different. > > I had a listen to the review but some of the tie I wasn't sure which he was using. And he didn't even mention the four-channel thing, not that I noticed anyway. But reading the technical specification it seems that the H2 is capable of far better reproduction. > > > On 6 Jan 2011, at 00:38, Dane Trethowan wrote: > >> You won't have to fiddle for any long period of time, I estimate around about 10 seconds at the very most! > > _______________________________________________ > > The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free > > To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: > http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html > From grtdane at internode.on.net Thu Jan 6 20:09:43 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2011 07:09:43 +1100 Subject: Ebay was Re: Zoom! In-Reply-To: <794E614F-B636-4353-9316-AED0D3E36206@tft-bbs.co.uk> References: <3BD0E87D-57BD-43C5-9B3F-52380F2F3DEF@tft-bbs.co.uk> <9299BFD0-295D-4765-BCD9-C3AF11F95EF7@internode.on.net> <570C8AFD-ED7F-4CE5-8F0F-6B7151311CEC@tft-bbs.co.uk> <5A785A1F-336C-4744-ACAF-B219BC94AD37@blueyonder.co.uk> <9C3CB8BF-9E9B-4A75-AEC8-D85B6DF2A62D@tft-bbs.co.uk> <3A89C15F-27D4-4755-8B49-04CB5893DDB0@internode.on.net> <6139916C-1457-49D4-9B3C-0224C9D9DB4D@tft-bbs.co.uk> <24FD4687-0C38-4C7D-8DCD-AC59CDCD8A08@internode.on.net> <7F831BC9-1C4E-463F-8EB3-C2BBA591CA76@gmail.com> <46531243-1BAA-44A4-969E-1E31A40E2A4A@internode.on.net> <794E614F-B636-4353-9316-AED0D3E36206@tft-bbs.co.uk> Message-ID: <68019682-218E-40B2-8BDF-34663C926A74@internode.on.net> What are you talkin about, I sleep in a hammock in my back yard, the house is too good for a bed, . On 07/01/2011, at 3:39 AM, Gordon Smith wrote: > Hi > > On 6 Jan 2011, at 00:41, Dane Trethowan wrote: > >> Okay, I've had one problem with Ebay but now I use Paypal and Ebay, I'm covered should anything go wrong. >> > I used PayPal when I had that problem I described in an earlier message. > >> No doubt about it, there are some nasty people on Ebay as there are anywhere else so what to do? First thing to do in my humble opinion is to read the sellers feedback ratings and other information, strange as it may seem sellers know that word of mouth is their best friend or worst enemy as the case may be. >> > I wouldn't rely on that too much if I were you. It's dead easy for sellers to create false accounts and bump up their own feedback. > >> I bought a Sony microphone from Ebay, only place I could buy it from to my knowledge, microphone was received without a problem. >> > Good. You seem to be collecting new radios and microphones these days. Do you have any room in your house for things like a bedroom? :) Just joking, before anybody jumps on their high horse. > > Gordon > > _______________________________________________ > > The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free > > To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: > http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html > From martin at x.it.okstate.edu Thu Jan 6 20:43:34 2011 From: martin at x.it.okstate.edu (Martin McCormick) Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2011 14:43:34 -0600 Subject: Zoom! Message-ID: <201101062043.p06KhYtq088806@x.it.okstate.edu> Does the H1 have an external power jack so that one could feed power from an external 1.5-volt source? I am thinking of a Solar pannel. I have a couple of pannels that probably could run it if one used a voltage regulator to get the voltage down to 1.5 volts. Dane Trethowan writes: > The Zoom H1 is a stereo recorder but has better electronics and audio From grtdane at internode.on.net Thu Jan 6 20:49:42 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2011 07:49:42 +1100 Subject: Zoom! In-Reply-To: <201101062043.p06KhYtq088806@x.it.okstate.edu> References: <201101062043.p06KhYtq088806@x.it.okstate.edu> Message-ID: <38368E18-6658-4FD1-9099-DAE5773A6D26@internode.on.net> You power the Zoom H1 through the USB port, runs quite well from the Apple Iphone charger for example. On 07/01/2011, at 7:43 AM, Martin McCormick wrote: > Does the H1 have an external power jack so that one > could feed power from an external 1.5-volt source? I am thinking > of a Solar pannel. I have a couple of pannels that probably > could run it if one used a voltage regulator to get the voltage > down to 1.5 volts. > Dane Trethowan writes: >> The Zoom H1 is a stereo recorder but has better electronics and audio > _______________________________________________ > > The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free > > To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: > http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html > From martin at x.it.okstate.edu Thu Jan 6 21:11:35 2011 From: martin at x.it.okstate.edu (Martin McCormick) Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2011 15:11:35 -0600 Subject: Zoom! Message-ID: <201101062111.p06LBZak089071@x.it.okstate.edu> Thanks. I am thinking of getting one. I bet I could rig up a Solar pannel power source. The pannel I would use is actually built to charge a 12-volt battery and produces about 20 volts unloaded but a voltage regulator can turn that in to the 5 volts that come from the USB port. Martin Dane Trethowan writes: > You power the Zoom H1 through the USB port, runs quite well from the > Apple Iphone charger for example. From grtdane at internode.on.net Thu Jan 6 21:21:28 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2011 08:21:28 +1100 Subject: USB Powered devices was Re: Zoom! In-Reply-To: <201101062111.p06LBZak089071@x.it.okstate.edu> References: <201101062111.p06LBZak089071@x.it.okstate.edu> Message-ID: <0C5C953F-92E4-40E9-BEA3-2FC38A47C0B8@internode.on.net> Sounds good to me, a recorder whenever you need it . I have to admit I wasn't too comfortable about the Zoom and the USB power idea but as I've grown use to the recorder and looked around I see many devices sold these days are powered this way including many of the later Nokia Phones, some radio sets and so on so it naturally follows that power supplies to suit would be readily available and there are some very nice supplies out there, my local electronics store has a USB supply that will run 8 devices at once, the device connects to the mains but has an internal battery to power or charge devices if mains power is not available plus an extra input for another battery pack, power source such as a solar panel etc. On 07/01/2011, at 8:11 AM, Martin McCormick wrote: > Thanks. I am thinking of getting one. I bet I could rig up a > Solar pannel power source. The pannel I would use is actually > built to charge a 12-volt battery and produces about 20 volts > unloaded but a voltage regulator can turn that in to the 5 volts > that come from the USB port. > > Martin > > Dane Trethowan writes: >> You power the Zoom H1 through the USB port, runs quite well from the >> Apple Iphone charger for example. > _______________________________________________ > > The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free > > To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: > http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html > From gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk Thu Jan 6 23:02:19 2011 From: gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk (Gordon Smith) Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2011 23:02:19 +0000 Subject: Zoom! In-Reply-To: <904938F9-270A-40A2-9275-07D48A057EFE@internode.on.net> References: <3BD0E87D-57BD-43C5-9B3F-52380F2F3DEF@tft-bbs.co.uk> <9299BFD0-295D-4765-BCD9-C3AF11F95EF7@internode.on.net> <570C8AFD-ED7F-4CE5-8F0F-6B7151311CEC@tft-bbs.co.uk> <5A785A1F-336C-4744-ACAF-B219BC94AD37@blueyonder.co.uk> <9C3CB8BF-9E9B-4A75-AEC8-D85B6DF2A62D@tft-bbs.co.uk> <3A89C15F-27D4-4755-8B49-04CB5893DDB0@internode.on.net> <6139916C-1457-49D4-9B3C-0224C9D9DB4D@tft-bbs.co.uk> <8990628B-D214-48C8-9D9E-0CC057A86275@tft-bbs.co.uk> <299FBF3D-5F33-4782-B0FC-B948FB658A1B@tft-bbs.co.uk> <904938F9-270A-40A2-9275-07D48A057EFE@internode.on.net> Message-ID: <95564593-325D-4E14-B9CD-02EF93E7DD97@tft-bbs.co.uk> Hi Dane No, I'm sorry but if the industry-based reviews I have been reading this afternoon and this evening are to be believed, you're mistaken about the electronics. Reviews I have read by tech specialists tell me that the H1 and H2 have the same electronic circuitry for the most part but the H2 has higher specification microphones. I believe, although I could be mistaken, it also has 4 microphones rather than 2. But then again, the reviewers keep jumping around from talking about the H1, H2 and H4. So the references to 4 microphones could have been in regards the H4. I don't know, I'm just a bit worried that maybe the H1 might not be as high spec in terms of audio. I haven't used or even seen one yet, so I'm only going on what I've read in reviews from technically informed people within the industry. I'm not able to speak from the perspective of a visually impaired person yet. But Lynne is telling me now that if we find the H1 isn't up to what we need all the time, we will look at another machine, not necessarily, but probably, a Zoom. Where the H1 will come into its own I think is recording interviews. I'm going to be doing more work for hospital radio, that's the purpose I wanted a recorder for in the first place. But there are other, more personal things as well. So we'll have to see how we go I guess. All that having been said, I'm interested in your comments because you've used the H1 and I haven't. So it would be a bit stupid, and actually quite arrogant to take no notice of somebody who has actually used the thing. Kind of a bit like a Windows user ridiculing the Mac when they haven't even used it, or visa versa. On 6 Jan 2011, at 20:08, Dane Trethowan wrote: > The Zoom H1 is a stereo recorder but has better electronics and audio than the Zoom H2, as I said earlier the Zoom H2 is feature packed but not as good in quality when recording, if you wanted surround-sound in a good quality recorder then I would have paid the extra money as I did and bought the Zoom H4, far better recorder, then we have the issue of the menu systems in the H2 and H4, yep can get around the menus in the H4 but its all a question of time and when I want to record something? Well I pull out the H1 as I just want to start recording then and there and I don't have a lot of time . > > > On 07/01/2011, at 3:35 AM, Gordon Smith wrote: > >> I'm still wondering whether we should have gone for the H2. It seems that the microphones and the ability to record in surround sound are different. >> >> I had a listen to the review but some of the tie I wasn't sure which he was using. And he didn't even mention the four-channel thing, not that I noticed anyway. But reading the technical specification it seems that the H2 is capable of far better reproduction. >> >> >> On 6 Jan 2011, at 00:38, Dane Trethowan wrote: >> >>> You won't have to fiddle for any long period of time, I estimate around about 10 seconds at the very most! >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free >> >> To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: >> http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html >> > > _______________________________________________ > > The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free > > To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: > http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html > From grtdane at internode.on.net Thu Jan 6 23:08:52 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2011 10:08:52 +1100 Subject: Zoom! In-Reply-To: <95564593-325D-4E14-B9CD-02EF93E7DD97@tft-bbs.co.uk> References: <3BD0E87D-57BD-43C5-9B3F-52380F2F3DEF@tft-bbs.co.uk> <9299BFD0-295D-4765-BCD9-C3AF11F95EF7@internode.on.net> <570C8AFD-ED7F-4CE5-8F0F-6B7151311CEC@tft-bbs.co.uk> <5A785A1F-336C-4744-ACAF-B219BC94AD37@blueyonder.co.uk> <9C3CB8BF-9E9B-4A75-AEC8-D85B6DF2A62D@tft-bbs.co.uk> <3A89C15F-27D4-4755-8B49-04CB5893DDB0@internode.on.net> <6139916C-1457-49D4-9B3C-0224C9D9DB4D@tft-bbs.co.uk> <8990628B-D214-48C8-9D9E-0CC057A86275@tft-bbs.co.uk> <299FBF3D-5F33-4782-B0FC-B948FB658A1B@tft-bbs.co.uk> <904938F9-270A-40A2-9275-07D48A057EFE@internode.on.net> <95564593-325D-4E14-B9CD-02EF93E7DD97@tft-bbs.co.uk> Message-ID: <0D760606-F879-458B-ACFB-426C90C6A4B4@internode.on.net> The Zoom H4 certainly has 4 microphones, as I have one I can vouch for that . The recording specs as in file formats as I understand are exactly the same between H1 and 2, that is to say both can record Wave Broadcast from sampling rates of 44.1 up to 96KHZ using 16 or 24 bit. MP3 ranges from 128 to 320K though I never use this for recording so can't tell how good it is, have a computer here so if I want MP3? Well I just convert. On 07/01/2011, at 10:02 AM, Gordon Smith wrote: > Hi Dane > > No, I'm sorry but if the industry-based reviews I have been reading this afternoon and this evening are to be believed, you're mistaken about the electronics. Reviews I have read by tech specialists tell me that the H1 and H2 have the same electronic circuitry for the most part but the H2 has higher specification microphones. I believe, although I could be mistaken, it also has 4 microphones rather than 2. But then again, the reviewers keep jumping around from talking about the H1, H2 and H4. So the references to 4 microphones could have been in regards the H4. > > I don't know, I'm just a bit worried that maybe the H1 might not be as high spec in terms of audio. I haven't used or even seen one yet, so I'm only going on what I've read in reviews from technically informed people within the industry. I'm not able to speak from the perspective of a visually impaired person yet. But Lynne is telling me now that if we find the H1 isn't up to what we need all the time, we will look at another machine, not necessarily, but probably, a Zoom. > > Where the H1 will come into its own I think is recording interviews. I'm going to be doing more work for hospital radio, that's the purpose I wanted a recorder for in the first place. But there are other, more personal things as well. So we'll have to see how we go I guess. > > All that having been said, I'm interested in your comments because you've used the H1 and I haven't. So it would be a bit stupid, and actually quite arrogant to take no notice of somebody who has actually used the thing. Kind of a bit like a Windows user ridiculing the Mac when they haven't even used it, or visa versa. > > On 6 Jan 2011, at 20:08, Dane Trethowan wrote: > >> The Zoom H1 is a stereo recorder but has better electronics and audio than the Zoom H2, as I said earlier the Zoom H2 is feature packed but not as good in quality when recording, if you wanted surround-sound in a good quality recorder then I would have paid the extra money as I did and bought the Zoom H4, far better recorder, then we have the issue of the menu systems in the H2 and H4, yep can get around the menus in the H4 but its all a question of time and when I want to record something? Well I pull out the H1 as I just want to start recording then and there and I don't have a lot of time . >> >> >> On 07/01/2011, at 3:35 AM, Gordon Smith wrote: >> >>> I'm still wondering whether we should have gone for the H2. It seems that the microphones and the ability to record in surround sound are different. >>> >>> I had a listen to the review but some of the tie I wasn't sure which he was using. And he didn't even mention the four-channel thing, not that I noticed anyway. But reading the technical specification it seems that the H2 is capable of far better reproduction. >>> >>> >>> On 6 Jan 2011, at 00:38, Dane Trethowan wrote: >>> >>>> You won't have to fiddle for any long period of time, I estimate around about 10 seconds at the very most! >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free >>> >>> To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: >>> http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free >> >> To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: >> http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html >> > > _______________________________________________ > > The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free > > To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: > http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html > From marrie12 at gmail.com Thu Jan 6 23:17:35 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2011 15:17:35 -0800 Subject: ebay and other stuff In-Reply-To: References: <3BD0E87D-57BD-43C5-9B3F-52380F2F3DEF@tft-bbs.co.uk> <9299BFD0-295D-4765-BCD9-C3AF11F95EF7@internode.on.net> <570C8AFD-ED7F-4CE5-8F0F-6B7151311CEC@tft-bbs.co.uk> <5A785A1F-336C-4744-ACAF-B219BC94AD37@blueyonder.co.uk> <9C3CB8BF-9E9B-4A75-AEC8-D85B6DF2A62D@tft-bbs.co.uk> <3A89C15F-27D4-4755-8B49-04CB5893DDB0@internode.on.net> <6139916C-1457-49D4-9B3C-0224C9D9DB4D@tft-bbs.co.uk> <24FD4687-0C38-4C7D-8DCD-AC59CDCD8A08@internode.on.net> <7F831BC9-1C4E-463F-8EB3-C2BBA591CA76@gmail.com> <0318EC3C-A9A3-4941-A4EF-2298796FF67D@gmail.com> Message-ID: <6951F434-BF62-4E04-A054-29733E0D25DA@gmail.com> Wow! Yeah I'm only a tech and have no plans of upgrading. Glad you got your radio problem somewhat solved and hope you can get your radio fixed. I'm still trying to find a good one but that's for the blind hams list and not this one. Thanks and 73 On Jan 6, 2011, at 8:32 AM, Gordon Smith wrote: > Hi Sarah > > On 6 Jan 2011, at 00:26, Sarah Alawami wrote: > >> lol. I've never thus far have had a bad experience but yeah I'd suggest looking there just in case and ask questions galore before you commit to buying the product. > > Sometimes, in my experience, dealers just make the noises you want to hear, rather than always telling the truth > > That was the problem I had actually with a dealer on eBay. I ordered an item which they said was in stock. Turns out, as soon as I'd ordered, that it isn't in stock and the dealer told me they weren't expecting the item for 6 weeks. > > Well, I asked them to back-order it. So they did. But over here in the UK there is legislation which prevents a dealer from charging a customer for an item that's on back-order with a supplier unless they make it very clear to the customer that they are charging, and why. > > Well; they took my money without telling me, and they refused to refund the money, telling me that it was on back-order and I'd just have to wait a while. > > 6 Weeks later it still had not arrived and so I got back in touch. This time they said it would be here in a couple of months time. I contacted eBay who said it was a matter between the dealer and myself. > > I ended up going to trading standards in order to get this resolved. And it turned out that the so-called dealer had no intention of supplying me with the goods, so they were eventually forced to give me a refund, plus the going rate of interest which I'd lost on the money through not having it in the bank. > > I eventually contacted a different dealer after having received my refund and they got the radio I wanted to me within 48 hours of ordering it, and at 200 Pounds less than the original dealer quoted. I'm talking about amateur radio equipment here and these radios or, as we often call them, black boxes, often retail for several hundred, if not thousands of Pounds (Dollars). > > The specific Kenwood radio I wanted had an RRP of ?1400 Sterling but I ended up getting it for ?1150 Sterling instead. > > I still have that radio, although it's not in working order. I think, (I hope), it's just the automatic tuner that's failed on it because it could be an expensive fix if not, as and when I eventually do decide to get it looked at, if I do. > > I don't habe an HF antenna system anymore, as the one I used to use got damaged by a heavy wind storm a couple of years back and we took it down. > > In fact, it was quite lucky we did because we discovered that the entire antenna assembly which housed my rotator, 2 beams for VHF and UHF as well as the mounting point for the head of the HF antenna, had suffered a lot of damage and if we'd left it there it would have come crashing down with the next strong wind and probably smashed a lot of the tiles on our roof. > > So all I have now for amateur radio is a VHF and UHF colinear which is fine for local work, but obviously I've lost the ability to use SSB on either VHF or UHF because typically, one uses horizontal polarisation down on 144 MHZ and 432 MHZ. > > Anyway, I'm waffling. But, for the benefit of any amateur who happens to be reading this, 73 to you all de G0BZC. > > Gordon > > > _______________________________________________ > > The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free > > To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: > http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html > From marrie12 at gmail.com Thu Jan 6 23:19:01 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2011 15:19:01 -0800 Subject: Zoom! In-Reply-To: <38368E18-6658-4FD1-9099-DAE5773A6D26@internode.on.net> References: <201101062043.p06KhYtq088806@x.it.okstate.edu> <38368E18-6658-4FD1-9099-DAE5773A6D26@internode.on.net> Message-ID: OH it doesn't have an electric plug? I thought it did but I'll have to listen to neal's review again when I"m more awake next time. lol! On Jan 6, 2011, at 12:49 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote: > You power the Zoom H1 through the USB port, runs quite well from the Apple Iphone charger for example. > > > On 07/01/2011, at 7:43 AM, Martin McCormick wrote: > >> Does the H1 have an external power jack so that one >> could feed power from an external 1.5-volt source? I am thinking >> of a Solar pannel. I have a couple of pannels that probably >> could run it if one used a voltage regulator to get the voltage >> down to 1.5 volts. >> Dane Trethowan writes: >>> The Zoom H1 is a stereo recorder but has better electronics and audio >> _______________________________________________ >> >> The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free >> >> To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: >> http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html >> > > _______________________________________________ > > The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free > > To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: > http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html > From gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk Fri Jan 7 00:24:13 2011 From: gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk (Gordon Smith) Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2011 00:24:13 +0000 Subject: Surround Sound and stuff In-Reply-To: <68019682-218E-40B2-8BDF-34663C926A74@internode.on.net> References: <3BD0E87D-57BD-43C5-9B3F-52380F2F3DEF@tft-bbs.co.uk> <9299BFD0-295D-4765-BCD9-C3AF11F95EF7@internode.on.net> <570C8AFD-ED7F-4CE5-8F0F-6B7151311CEC@tft-bbs.co.uk> <5A785A1F-336C-4744-ACAF-B219BC94AD37@blueyonder.co.uk> <9C3CB8BF-9E9B-4A75-AEC8-D85B6DF2A62D@tft-bbs.co.uk> <3A89C15F-27D4-4755-8B49-04CB5893DDB0@internode.on.net> <6139916C-1457-49D4-9B3C-0224C9D9DB4D@tft-bbs.co.uk> <24FD4687-0C38-4C7D-8DCD-AC59CDCD8A08@internode.on.net> <7F831BC9-1C4E-463F-8EB3-C2BBA591CA76@gmail.com> <46531243-1BAA-44A4-969E-1E31A40E2A4A@internode.on.net> <794E614F-B636-4353-9316-AED0D3E36206@tft-bbs.co.uk> <68019682-218E-40B2-8BDF-34663C926A74@internode.on.net> Message-ID: Yup, with kangaroo skins as your bedding, boomerangs to play with and Rolf Harris music on your old-fashioned wind-up gramophone to keep you company through the night. LOL. Actually though, on a serious note, this for some reason brings another point to mind. Lynne was looking at a reasonably cheap but usable surround sound system. She found it on Amazon and we are quite seriously thinking of buying it. It's a Sony DAVDZ330 5.1 channel home theatre surround sound system. I don't know whether anybody knows anything about this thing. But it does have, as I understand it, a combined 1000 Watt RMS audio output across all channels. I believe it comes with an inbuilt DVD player and one single input for an external digital source. Not great, but with a bit of juggling we could work around that. All you need to do is get a HDMI splitter, which just happens to be what we use at the moment anyway on the back of our bedroom TV. The TV downstairs is a huge thing, the 3D LG model I bought Lynne for Christmas. It's a 60-inch TV with 4 HDMI inputs and 4 digital audio inputs. It also has a lot of composite and RGB inputs by way of scart 21-pin connectors and phono as well. On, and it also has 4 SVideo inputs. But hey I'm getting off the point. We're looking at this Sony machine for our upstairs lounge, so it doesn't have to be anything too flashy, and it might just be idea. But I wonder if anybody has any comment, or knows anything about this beast? Gordon On 6 Jan 2011, at 20:09, Dane Trethowan wrote: > What are you talkin about, I sleep in a hammock in my back yard, the house is too good for a bed, . From grtdane at internode.on.net Fri Jan 7 00:32:39 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2011 11:32:39 +1100 Subject: Surround Sound and stuff In-Reply-To: References: <3BD0E87D-57BD-43C5-9B3F-52380F2F3DEF@tft-bbs.co.uk> <9299BFD0-295D-4765-BCD9-C3AF11F95EF7@internode.on.net> <570C8AFD-ED7F-4CE5-8F0F-6B7151311CEC@tft-bbs.co.uk> <5A785A1F-336C-4744-ACAF-B219BC94AD37@blueyonder.co.uk> <9C3CB8BF-9E9B-4A75-AEC8-D85B6DF2A62D@tft-bbs.co.uk> <3A89C15F-27D4-4755-8B49-04CB5893DDB0@internode.on.net> <6139916C-1457-49D4-9B3C-0224C9D9DB4D@tft-bbs.co.uk> <24FD4687-0C38-4C7D-8DCD-AC59CDCD8A08@internode.on.net> <7F831BC9-1C4E-463F-8EB3-C2BBA591CA76@gmail.com> <46531243-1BAA-44A4-969E-1E31A40E2A4A@internode.on.net> <794E614F-B636-4353-9316-AED0D3E36206@tft-bbs.co.uk> <68019682-218E-40B2-8BDF-34663C926A74@internode.on.net> Message-ID: <0305FE61-4117-4800-B909-9629C6474018@internode.on.net> Should do the job quite nicely! sounds very similar in design to the Pioneer and the Yamaha surround-sound receivers I use here, one in the lounge and one in the den - though I'm thinking of upgrading one for HDMI capabilities? Well the jury's out on that one right now, until a new HDMI TV at least which will come before anything else. By the way, you forgot my pedal radio . On 07/01/2011, at 11:24 AM, Gordon Smith wrote: > Yup, with kangaroo skins as your bedding, boomerangs to play with and Rolf Harris music on your old-fashioned wind-up gramophone to keep you company through the night. LOL. > > Actually though, on a serious note, this for some reason brings another point to mind. Lynne was looking at a reasonably cheap but usable surround sound system. She found it on Amazon and we are quite seriously thinking of buying it. > > It's a Sony DAVDZ330 5.1 channel home theatre surround sound system. I don't know whether anybody knows anything about this thing. But it does have, as I understand it, a combined 1000 Watt RMS audio output across all channels. > > I believe it comes with an inbuilt DVD player and one single input for an external digital source. Not great, but with a bit of juggling we could work around that. All you need to do is get a HDMI splitter, which just happens to be what we use at the moment anyway on the back of our bedroom TV. The TV downstairs is a huge thing, the 3D LG model I bought Lynne for Christmas. It's a 60-inch TV with 4 HDMI inputs and 4 digital audio inputs. It also has a lot of composite and RGB inputs by way of scart 21-pin connectors and phono as well. On, and it also has 4 SVideo inputs. > > But hey I'm getting off the point. We're looking at this Sony machine for our upstairs lounge, so it doesn't have to be anything too flashy, and it might just be idea. But I wonder if anybody has any comment, or knows anything about this beast? > > Gordon > > On 6 Jan 2011, at 20:09, Dane Trethowan wrote: > >> What are you talkin about, I sleep in a hammock in my back yard, the house is too good for a bed, . > > _______________________________________________ > > The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free > > To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: > http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html > From gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk Fri Jan 7 04:17:49 2011 From: gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk (Gordon Smith) Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2011 04:17:49 +0000 Subject: Zoom! In-Reply-To: <201101062043.p06KhYtq088806@x.it.okstate.edu> References: <201101062043.p06KhYtq088806@x.it.okstate.edu> Message-ID: <08417816-FA5A-4942-B022-CD3EE30ECE26@tft-bbs.co.uk> Bit more trouble than it's worth I reckon Martin. It can be powered via the included AC supply or via USB. On 6 Jan 2011, at 20:43, Martin McCormick wrote: > Does the H1 have an external power jack so that one > could feed power from an external 1.5-volt source? I am thinking > of a Solar pannel. I have a couple of pannels that probably > could run it if one used a voltage regulator to get the voltage > down to 1.5 volts. From gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk Fri Jan 7 04:21:10 2011 From: gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk (Gordon Smith) Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2011 04:21:10 +0000 Subject: Zoom! In-Reply-To: <0D760606-F879-458B-ACFB-426C90C6A4B4@internode.on.net> References: <3BD0E87D-57BD-43C5-9B3F-52380F2F3DEF@tft-bbs.co.uk> <9299BFD0-295D-4765-BCD9-C3AF11F95EF7@internode.on.net> <570C8AFD-ED7F-4CE5-8F0F-6B7151311CEC@tft-bbs.co.uk> <5A785A1F-336C-4744-ACAF-B219BC94AD37@blueyonder.co.uk> <9C3CB8BF-9E9B-4A75-AEC8-D85B6DF2A62D@tft-bbs.co.uk> <3A89C15F-27D4-4755-8B49-04CB5893DDB0@internode.on.net> <6139916C-1457-49D4-9B3C-0224C9D9DB4D@tft-bbs.co.uk> <8990628B-D214-48C8-9D9E-0CC057A86275@tft-bbs.co.uk> <299FBF3D-5F33-4782-B0FC-B948FB658A1B@tft-bbs.co.uk> <904938F9-270A-40A2-9275-07D48A057EFE@internode.on.net> <95564593-325D-4E14-B9CD-02EF93E7DD97@tft-bbs.co.uk> <0D760606-F879-458B-ACFB-426C90C6A4B4@internode.on.ne t> Message-ID: <27ED498E-43F6-49B6-8C04-F274696D085B@tft-bbs.co.uk> So how easy do you personally find it to navigate the H4? I have absolutely no interest whatsoever in MP3. We never use the format for anything at all. On 6 Jan 2011, at 23:08, Dane Trethowan wrote: > The Zoom H4 certainly has 4 microphones, as I have one I can vouch for that . > > The recording specs as in file formats as I understand are exactly the same between H1 and 2, that is to say both can record Wave Broadcast from sampling rates of 44.1 up to 96KHZ using 16 or 24 bit. > > MP3 ranges from 128 to 320K though I never use this for recording so can't tell how good it is, have a computer here so if I want MP3? Well I just convert. From gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk Fri Jan 7 04:29:48 2011 From: gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk (Gordon Smith) Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2011 04:29:48 +0000 Subject: ebay and other stuff In-Reply-To: <6951F434-BF62-4E04-A054-29733E0D25DA@gmail.com> References: <3BD0E87D-57BD-43C5-9B3F-52380F2F3DEF@tft-bbs.co.uk> <9299BFD0-295D-4765-BCD9-C3AF11F95EF7@internode.on.net> <570C8AFD-ED7F-4CE5-8F0F-6B7151311CEC@tft-bbs.co.uk> <5A785A1F-336C-4744-ACAF-B219BC94AD37@blueyonder.co.uk> <9C3CB8BF-9E9B-4A75-AEC8-D85B6DF2A62D@tft-bbs.co.uk> <3A89C15F-27D4-4755-8B49-04CB5893DDB0@internode.on.net> <6139916C-1457-49D4-9B3C-0224C9D9DB4D@tft-bbs.co.uk> <24FD4687-0C38-4C7D-8DCD-AC59CDCD8A08@internode.on.net> <7F831BC9-1C4E-463F-8EB3-C2BBA591CA76@gmail.com> <0318EC3C-A9A3-4941-A4EF-2298796FF67D@gmail.com> <6951F434-BF62-4E04-A054-29733E0D25DA@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Sarah, Martin, any other amateurs on list. Have any of you ever used the British radio amateur to Internet gateway, Echonet? Would be nice to chat that way some time maybe. Hams, I hate that name to be honest. I am not a ham, I'm a radio amateur. I refuse to join any lists/group specifically for the blind, or the visually impaired I'm afraid. I disagree strongly with the concept of the "blind community", I'm one of those people who's philosophy is integration. I have no problem with the visually impaired helping one another, don't get me wrong here. But isolationism is a very bad idea. But hey I'm getting off topic, and my co-list owner will be reprimanding me. 73 All amateurs, not hams. LOL G0BZC Gordon On 6 Jan 2011, at 23:17, Sarah Alawami wrote: > Wow! Yeah I'm only a tech and have no plans of upgrading. Glad you got your radio problem somewhat solved and hope you can get your radio fixed. I'm still trying to find a good one but that's for the blind hams list and not this one. > > Thanks and 73 From gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk Fri Jan 7 04:33:08 2011 From: gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk (Gordon Smith) Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2011 04:33:08 +0000 Subject: Surround Sound and stuff In-Reply-To: <0305FE61-4117-4800-B909-9629C6474018@internode.on.net> References: <3BD0E87D-57BD-43C5-9B3F-52380F2F3DEF@tft-bbs.co.uk> <9299BFD0-295D-4765-BCD9-C3AF11F95EF7@internode.on.net> <570C8AFD-ED7F-4CE5-8F0F-6B7151311CEC@tft-bbs.co.uk> <5A785A1F-336C-4744-ACAF-B219BC94AD37@blueyonder.co.uk> <9C3CB8BF-9E9B-4A75-AEC8-D85B6DF2A62D@tft-bbs.co.uk> <3A89C15F-27D4-4755-8B49-04CB5893DDB0@internode.on.net> <6139916C-1457-49D4-9B3C-0224C9D9DB4D@tft-bbs.co.uk> <24FD4687-0C38-4C7D-8DCD-AC59CDCD8A08@internode.on.net> <7F831BC9-1C4E-463F-8EB3-C2BBA591CA76@gmail.com> <46531243-1BAA-44A4-969E-1E31A40E2A4A@internode.on.net> <794E614F-B636-4353-9316-AED0D3E36206@tft-bbs.co.uk> <68019682-218E-40B2-8BDF-34663C926A74@internode.on.net> <0305FE61-4117-4800-B909-9629C6474018@internode.on.net> Message-ID: <69E3BA10-CDB3-4B84-BCC3-6A5068360935@tft-bbs.co.uk> I think it will do for what we want. OK, it's nothing flash but I don't give a monkeys about blueray and gold-plated controls. Not for this application anyway. All I want is a cheap enough unit we can use and I think this one will do that job. Yeah, peddle is the word, M On 7 Jan 2011, at 00:32, Dane Trethowan wrote: > Should do the job quite nicely! sounds very similar in design to the Pioneer and the Yamaha surround-sound receivers I use here, one in the lounge and one in the den - though I'm thinking of upgrading one for HDMI capabilities? Well the jury's out on that one right now, until a new HDMI TV at least which will come before anything else. > > By the way, you forgot my pedal radio . From grtdane at internode.on.net Fri Jan 7 05:03:49 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2011 16:03:49 +1100 Subject: Surround Sound and stuff In-Reply-To: <69E3BA10-CDB3-4B84-BCC3-6A5068360935@tft-bbs.co.uk> References: <3BD0E87D-57BD-43C5-9B3F-52380F2F3DEF@tft-bbs.co.uk> <9299BFD0-295D-4765-BCD9-C3AF11F95EF7@internode.on.net> <570C8AFD-ED7F-4CE5-8F0F-6B7151311CEC@tft-bbs.co.uk> <5A785A1F-336C-4744-ACAF-B219BC94AD37@blueyonder.co.uk> <9C3CB8BF-9E9B-4A75-AEC8-D85B6DF2A62D@tft-bbs.co.uk> <3A89C15F-27D4-4755-8B49-04CB5893DDB0@internode.on.net> <6139916C-1457-49D4-9B3C-0224C9D9DB4D@tft-bbs.co.uk> <24FD4687-0C38-4C7D-8DCD-AC59CDCD8A08@internode.on.net> <7F831BC9-1C4E-463F-8EB3-C2BBA591CA76@gmail.com> <46531243-1BAA-44A4-969E-1E31A40E2A4A@internode.on.net> <794E614F-B636-4353-9316-AED0D3E36206@tft-bbs.co.uk> <68019682-218E-40B2-8BDF-34663C926A74@internode.on.net> <0305FE61-4117-4800-B909-9629C6474018@internode.on.net> <69E3BA10-CDB3-4B84-BCC3-6A5068360935@tft-bbs.co.uk> Message-ID: <6DBC1009-FD24-4FB0-9CFD-E7F28303F265@internode.on.net> Will do the job without a problem, no not a system designed for music and believe you me, manufacturers take some shortcuts with these things unless you're prepared to "Pay" quite big bucks for a Denon or something like that which I may do in the future, see how my finances are down the track. I saw the new denon 4110 a few weeks ago, what an excellent surround-sound/music/video centre that thing is, even better is the fact that blind people can access every setting of the beast through the HTML interface. I should also point out that one of these things would control the audio/video in a home pretty much as the unit has "Multiple zones", say 1 zone for every room, each zone can be playing a different source from another, say play the Ipod in your bedroom and play the latest movie from your Apple TV in the lounge and naturally! the Denon can use a variety of wireless remote control systems including the I TV app for your Iphone/Ipad. Ah well, I'll sleep comfortably in my hammock and continue to dream . On 07/01/2011, at 3:33 PM, Gordon Smith wrote: > I think it will do for what we want. OK, it's nothing flash but I don't give a monkeys about blueray and gold-plated controls. Not for this application anyway. All I want is a cheap enough unit we can use and I think this one will do that job. > > Yeah, peddle is the word, M > > On 7 Jan 2011, at 00:32, Dane Trethowan wrote: > >> Should do the job quite nicely! sounds very similar in design to the Pioneer and the Yamaha surround-sound receivers I use here, one in the lounge and one in the den - though I'm thinking of upgrading one for HDMI capabilities? Well the jury's out on that one right now, until a new HDMI TV at least which will come before anything else. >> >> By the way, you forgot my pedal radio . > > _______________________________________________ > > The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free > > To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: > http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html > From grtdane at internode.on.net Fri Jan 7 05:05:52 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2011 16:05:52 +1100 Subject: Zoom! In-Reply-To: <27ED498E-43F6-49B6-8C04-F274696D085B@tft-bbs.co.uk> References: <3BD0E87D-57BD-43C5-9B3F-52380F2F3DEF@tft-bbs.co.uk> <9299BFD0-295D-4765-BCD9-C3AF11F95EF7@internode.on.net> <570C8AFD-ED7F-4CE5-8F0F-6B7151311CEC@tft-bbs.co.uk> <5A785A1F-336C-4744-ACAF-B219BC94AD37@blueyonder.co.uk> <9C3CB8BF-9E9B-4A75-AEC8-D85B6DF2A62D@tft-bbs.co.uk> <3A89C15F-27D4-4755-8B49-04CB5893DDB0@internode.on.net> <6139916C-1457-49D4-9B3C-0224C9D9DB4D@tft-bbs.co.uk> <8990628B-D214-48C8-9D9E-0CC057A86275@tft-bbs.co.uk> <299FBF3D-5F33-4782-B0FC-B948FB658A1B@tft-bbs.co.uk> <904938F9-270A-40A2-9275-07D48A057EFE@internode.on.net> <95564593-325D-4E14-B9CD-02EF93E7DD97@tft-bbs.co.uk> <0D760606-F879-458B-ACFB-426C90C6A4B4@internode.on.ne t> <27ED498E-43F6-49B6-8C04-F274696D085B@tft-bbs.co.uk> Message-ID: <07EBE14C-4166-486F-8330-38551192C356@internode.on.net> As compared to the H1? No contest! The H4 can be memorised but I don't use it much because I have to go through menus and stuff whereas everything I want is at the touch of a button with the H1 and of course the size difference plays a part . On 07/01/2011, at 3:21 PM, Gordon Smith wrote: > So how easy do you personally find it to navigate the H4? I have absolutely no interest whatsoever in MP3. We never use the format for anything at all. > > On 6 Jan 2011, at 23:08, Dane Trethowan wrote: > >> The Zoom H4 certainly has 4 microphones, as I have one I can vouch for that . >> >> The recording specs as in file formats as I understand are exactly the same between H1 and 2, that is to say both can record Wave Broadcast from sampling rates of 44.1 up to 96KHZ using 16 or 24 bit. >> >> MP3 ranges from 128 to 320K though I never use this for recording so can't tell how good it is, have a computer here so if I want MP3? Well I just convert. > > _______________________________________________ > > The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free > > To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: > http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html > From grtdane at internode.on.net Fri Jan 7 05:07:30 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2011 16:07:30 +1100 Subject: Zoom! In-Reply-To: <08417816-FA5A-4942-B022-CD3EE30ECE26@tft-bbs.co.uk> References: <201101062043.p06KhYtq088806@x.it.okstate.edu> <08417816-FA5A-4942-B022-CD3EE30ECE26@tft-bbs.co.uk> Message-ID: <3B89B8B3-926A-4B21-BFC9-7C3C2B5C4617@internode.on.net> I hardly ever use my H1 on power, I have done so yep and I can see advantages of doing so particularly if you have it mounted on a tripod, I use batteries with it 95% of the time. On 07/01/2011, at 3:17 PM, Gordon Smith wrote: > Bit more trouble than it's worth I reckon Martin. It can be powered via the included AC supply or via USB. > > On 6 Jan 2011, at 20:43, Martin McCormick wrote: > >> Does the H1 have an external power jack so that one >> could feed power from an external 1.5-volt source? I am thinking >> of a Solar pannel. I have a couple of pannels that probably >> could run it if one used a voltage regulator to get the voltage >> down to 1.5 volts. > > _______________________________________________ > > The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free > > To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: > http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html > From gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk Fri Jan 7 06:38:34 2011 From: gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk (Gordon Smith) Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2011 06:38:34 +0000 Subject: Surround Sound and stuff In-Reply-To: <6DBC1009-FD24-4FB0-9CFD-E7F28303F265@internode.on.net> References: <3BD0E87D-57BD-43C5-9B3F-52380F2F3DEF@tft-bbs.co.uk> <9299BFD0-295D-4765-BCD9-C3AF11F95EF7@internode.on.net> <570C8AFD-ED7F-4CE5-8F0F-6B7151311CEC@tft-bbs.co.uk> <5A785A1F-336C-4744-ACAF-B219BC94AD37@blueyonder.co.uk> <9C3CB8BF-9E9B-4A75-AEC8-D85B6DF2A62D@tft-bbs.co.uk> <3A89C15F-27D4-4755-8B49-04CB5893DDB0@internode.on.net> <6139916C-1457-49D4-9B3C-0224C9D9DB4D@tft-bbs.co.uk> <24FD4687-0C38-4C7D-8DCD-AC59CDCD8A08@internode.on.net> <7F831BC9-1C4E-463F-8EB3-C2BBA591CA76@gmail.com> <46531243-1BAA-44A4-969E-1E31A40E2A4A@internode.on.net> <794E614F-B636-4353-9316-AED0D3E36206@tft-bbs.co.uk> <68019682-218E-40B2-8BDF-34663C926A74@internode.on.net> <0305FE61-4117-4800-B909-9629C6474018@internode.on.net> <69E3BA10-CDB3-4B84-BCC3-6A5068360935@tft-bbs.co.uk> <6DB C1009-FD24-4FB0-9CFD-E7F28303F265@internode.on.net> Message-ID: <5E550EBD-CAF4-4912-95D2-7AA409F1F18F@tft-bbs.co.uk> On 7 Jan 2011, at 05:03, Dane Trethowan wrote: > Will do the job without a problem, no not a system designed for music and believe you me, manufacturers take some shortcuts with these things unless you're prepared to "Pay" quite big bucks for a Denon or something like that which I may do in the future, see how my finances are down the track. > I'm not fussed about too much quality these days to be honest, because I can't see the sense with the situation I'm in. Lynne isn't fussed either because all she wants is to be able to watch the material she wants to watch and so what if it's not top-notch quality sound. I'm rather surprised you're that fussed either to be honest, as your situation is quite similar to mine I believe. But that's nobody's business but yours. My wife now has her 3D TV not because we're playing keep up with the joneses or anything. I bought her it because she loves the game of snooker and Sky are showing Snooker this year in 3D. No, by the way, you don't need glasses, which was a question somebody asked me last week. Actually that thing has a surround sound system included, and it has more I/O than I can possibly use here downstairs where I am sitting now. As for the Denon, nice. But there's no way we will ever need a machine like that. Not for some time to come anyway, and we need the bank balance more. From gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk Fri Jan 7 06:43:34 2011 From: gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk (Gordon Smith) Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2011 06:43:34 +0000 Subject: Zoom! In-Reply-To: <07EBE14C-4166-486F-8330-38551192C356@internode.on.net> References: <3BD0E87D-57BD-43C5-9B3F-52380F2F3DEF@tft-bbs.co.uk> <9299BFD0-295D-4765-BCD9-C3AF11F95EF7@internode.on.net> <570C8AFD-ED7F-4CE5-8F0F-6B7151311CEC@tft-bbs.co.uk> <5A785A1F-336C-4744-ACAF-B219BC94AD37@blueyonder.co.uk> <9C3CB8BF-9E9B-4A75-AEC8-D85B6DF2A62D@tft-bbs.co.uk> <3A89C15F-27D4-4755-8B49-04CB5893DDB0@internode.on.net> <6139916C-1457-49D4-9B3C-0224C9D9DB4D@tft-bbs.co.uk> <8990628B-D214-48C8-9D9E-0CC057A86275@tft-bbs.co.uk> <299FBF3D-5F33-4782-B0FC-B948FB658A1B@tft-bbs.co.uk> <904938F9-270A-40A2-9275-07D48A057EFE@internode.on.net> <95564593-325D-4E14-B9CD-02EF93E7DD97@tft-bbs.co.uk> <0D760606-F879-458B-ACFB-426C90C6A4B4@internode.on.ne t> <27ED498E-43F6-49B6-8C04-F274696D085B@tft-bbs.co.uk> <07EBE14C-4166-486F-8330-38551192C356@internode.on.net> Message-ID: <3D5F118F-EE45-4D4C-A6EA-7633BC5D853C@tft-bbs.co.uk> I've had a bit of a think about this now. I've decided to stick with what's already on its way to us. No point whatsoever messing around and you're quite right, simplicity of use has to be an issue. After all, when am I seriously going to need surround sound audio I wonder. No, I'll stick with the H1 I think. Actually a few hours ago I ordered the accessibility pack. I can't see much point having the thing without a proper carry case, and the extra capacity on the SD card will be useful. I think the Mac can handle those cards anyway so I think we'll be alright. My Plextalk PTR2 uses CF cards and given a choice, I'd take those over SD cards any time. They are cheaper memory and I'm given to understand they're also more secure and durable. On 7 Jan 2011, at 05:05, Dane Trethowan wrote: > As compared to the H1? No contest! > > The H4 can be memorised but I don't use it much because I have to go through menus and stuff whereas everything I want is at the touch of a button with the H1 and of course the size difference plays a part . > From grtdane at internode.on.net Fri Jan 7 07:07:43 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2011 18:07:43 +1100 Subject: Surround Sound and stuff In-Reply-To: <5E550EBD-CAF4-4912-95D2-7AA409F1F18F@tft-bbs.co.uk> References: <3BD0E87D-57BD-43C5-9B3F-52380F2F3DEF@tft-bbs.co.uk> <9299BFD0-295D-4765-BCD9-C3AF11F95EF7@internode.on.net> <570C8AFD-ED7F-4CE5-8F0F-6B7151311CEC@tft-bbs.co.uk> <5A785A1F-336C-4744-ACAF-B219BC94AD37@blueyonder.co.uk> <9C3CB8BF-9E9B-4A75-AEC8-D85B6DF2A62D@tft-bbs.co.uk> <3A89C15F-27D4-4755-8B49-04CB5893DDB0@internode.on.net> <6139916C-1457-49D4-9B3C-0224C9D9DB4D@tft-bbs.co.uk> <24FD4687-0C38-4C7D-8DCD-AC59CDCD8A08@internode.on.net> <7F831BC9-1C4E-463F-8EB3-C2BBA591CA76@gmail.com> <46531243-1BAA-44A4-969E-1E31A40E2A4A@internode.on.net> <794E614F-B636-4353-9316-AED0D3E36206@tft-bbs.co.uk> <68019682-218E-40B2-8BDF-34663C926A74@internode.on.net> <0305FE61-4117-4800-B909-9629C6474018@internode.on.net> <69E3BA10-CDB3-4B84-BCC3-6A5068360935@tft-bbs.co.uk> <6DB C1009-FD24-4FB0-9CFD-E7F28303F265@internode.on.net> <5E550EBD-CAF4-4912-95D2-7AA409F1F18F@tft-bbs.co.uk> Message-ID: <43CC0154-B228-48C7-B4CE-831B7F6C6D70@internode.on.net> Yep your points taken. Actually my hearing has improved quite a bit lately, whether its the brain training itself to recognise sounds that haven't been recognised for 25 years or whether its the natural herbal medication I was recommended? Well I'm not quite sure but let's say its a bit of both so I've decided to enjoy my hearing to the full whilst I can, I now have hearing back in the right ear to a degree, no speech recognition is not good but its getting better and at least I can use it for hearing now. On 07/01/2011, at 5:38 PM, Gordon Smith wrote: > On 7 Jan 2011, at 05:03, Dane Trethowan wrote: > >> Will do the job without a problem, no not a system designed for music and believe you me, manufacturers take some shortcuts with these things unless you're prepared to "Pay" quite big bucks for a Denon or something like that which I may do in the future, see how my finances are down the track. >> > I'm not fussed about too much quality these days to be honest, because I can't see the sense with the situation I'm in. Lynne isn't fussed either because all she wants is to be able to watch the material she wants to watch and so what if it's not top-notch quality sound. > > I'm rather surprised you're that fussed either to be honest, as your situation is quite similar to mine I believe. But that's nobody's business but yours. > > My wife now has her 3D TV not because we're playing keep up with the joneses or anything. I bought her it because she loves the game of snooker and Sky are showing Snooker this year in 3D. No, by the way, you don't need glasses, which was a question somebody asked me last week. > > Actually that thing has a surround sound system included, and it has more I/O than I can possibly use here downstairs where I am sitting now. > > As for the Denon, nice. But there's no way we will ever need a machine like that. Not for some time to come anyway, and we need the bank balance more. > > > _______________________________________________ > > The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free > > To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: > http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html > From grtdane at internode.on.net Fri Jan 7 07:15:26 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2011 18:15:26 +1100 Subject: Zoom! In-Reply-To: <3D5F118F-EE45-4D4C-A6EA-7633BC5D853C@tft-bbs.co.uk> References: <3BD0E87D-57BD-43C5-9B3F-52380F2F3DEF@tft-bbs.co.uk> <9299BFD0-295D-4765-BCD9-C3AF11F95EF7@internode.on.net> <570C8AFD-ED7F-4CE5-8F0F-6B7151311CEC@tft-bbs.co.uk> <5A785A1F-336C-4744-ACAF-B219BC94AD37@blueyonder.co.uk> <9C3CB8BF-9E9B-4A75-AEC8-D85B6DF2A62D@tft-bbs.co.uk> <3A89C15F-27D4-4755-8B49-04CB5893DDB0@internode.on.net> <6139916C-1457-49D4-9B3C-0224C9D9DB4D@tft-bbs.co.uk> <8990628B-D214-48C8-9D9E-0CC057A86275@tft-bbs.co.uk> <299FBF3D-5F33-4782-B0FC-B948FB658A1B@tft-bbs.co.uk> <904938F9-270A-40A2-9275-07D48A057EFE@internode.on.net> <95564593-325D-4E14-B9CD-02EF93E7DD97@tft-bbs.co.uk> <0D760606-F879-458B-ACFB-426C90C6A4B4@internode.on.ne t> <27ED498E-43F6-49B6-8C04-F274696D085B@tft-bbs.co.uk> <07EBE14C-4166-486F-8330-38551192C356@internode.on.net> <3D5F118F-EE45-4D4C-A6EA-7633BC5D853C@tft-bbs.co.uk> Message-ID: <398B34E8-9D41-41E5-B021-B924D60443FA@internode.on.net> Well we can all make mistakes and we're all different with our opinions, likes, dislikes and needs. Yep I'm not knocking the H4, a wonderful recorder but a pain in the behind when you want to do something quickly without eyes. The H1? Well its as simple as a digital recorder can get. Yep, a few things to learn and a few things to be careful of but I'm in no doubt you'll be using it within 20 seconds. One thing you have to be careful of is that you don't press the fast forward or rewind buttons whilst in "standby" mode, this changes the sample and bit rate though its not a life threatening worry given that the recorder's minimum sample rate is 44.1KHZ at 16 bit and its maximum sample rate is 96KHZ at 24 bit so at the very worst you're still going to get a very reasonable quality recording . The recorder cycles between rates so if you're on 96KHZ 24 bit pressing the fast forward takes you to 44.1KHZ 16 bit, pressing again takes you to 44.1 24 bit and so on. The recorder has a couple of other functions which can be activated by holding the on/off/lock switch whilst pressing another button on the unit, these include Format SD card and the setting of the date and time. I've never bothered about the date and time setting as its only used for time and date stamping of the files, nothing else. Erasing files is simple, play the file you wish to erase, you can hear the file playing through the internal speaker. When you've found the file you wish to erase just press the "Erase" button which is indented. On the screen you're prompted "Yes or no", to erase press the "Record/Stop" button on the front, to cancel press the "Erase" button again. That's enough ramble. On 07/01/2011, at 5:43 PM, Gordon Smith wrote: > I've had a bit of a think about this now. I've decided to stick with what's already on its way to us. No point whatsoever messing around and you're quite right, simplicity of use has to be an issue. After all, when am I seriously going to need surround sound audio I wonder. No, I'll stick with the H1 I think. > > Actually a few hours ago I ordered the accessibility pack. I can't see much point having the thing without a proper carry case, and the extra capacity on the SD card will be useful. I think the Mac can handle those cards anyway so I think we'll be alright. > > My Plextalk PTR2 uses CF cards and given a choice, I'd take those over SD cards any time. They are cheaper memory and I'm given to understand they're also more secure and durable. > > > On 7 Jan 2011, at 05:05, Dane Trethowan wrote: > >> As compared to the H1? No contest! >> >> The H4 can be memorised but I don't use it much because I have to go through menus and stuff whereas everything I want is at the touch of a button with the H1 and of course the size difference plays a part . >> > > _______________________________________________ > > The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free > > To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: > http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html > From martin at x.it.okstate.edu Fri Jan 7 14:06:51 2011 From: martin at x.it.okstate.edu (Martin McCormick) Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2011 08:06:51 -0600 Subject: ebay and other stuff Message-ID: <201101071406.p07E6pgb096409@x.it.okstate.edu> I'll selectively reply. Gordon Smith writes: > Have any of you ever used the British radio amateur to Internet gateway, > Echonet? Would be nice to chat that way some time maybe. I hadn't heard of it but it sounds interesting. What software do you need to work it and how do you get on to it? The echolink system which is totally different, I know, uses Windows and maybe possibly mac software but I don't think it has a Linux command-line client. > Hams, I hate that name to be honest. I am not a ham, I'm a radio > amateur. I will respond to this and your next comment on just-chat. > 73 All amateurs, not hams. LOL I once was walking home from work around 20 years ago and heard a pig squeal as I walked past a house. There was a man in the yard and I asked if I had heard correctly. He said yes, that he had a pot-bellied pig as a pet and he and his pig were just in their yard. I asked to pet the pig and he showed him to me. This one was about the size of a small dog and friendly enough. Pigs are actually rather smart, so I ahve been told. This little fellow did have a true pot belly. Sadly, this was one of those fads that come and go very quickly and pigs are farm animals through and through. They get bigger and I always wonder if that little guy also became a ham. 73 From martin at x.it.okstate.edu Fri Jan 7 14:26:51 2011 From: martin at x.it.okstate.edu (Martin McCormick) Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2011 08:26:51 -0600 Subject: Hams (was ebay and other stuff ) Message-ID: <201101071426.p07EQpRG096576@x.it.okstate.edu> If that pot-bellied pig did eventually become a ham, he would have done so after becoming a silent key. That's pretty remarkable. Hey! It's Friday. Martin From gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk Fri Jan 7 16:47:38 2011 From: gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk (Gordon Smith) Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2011 16:47:38 +0000 Subject: Zoom! In-Reply-To: <398B34E8-9D41-41E5-B021-B924D60443FA@internode.on.net> References: <3BD0E87D-57BD-43C5-9B3F-52380F2F3DEF@tft-bbs.co.uk> <9299BFD0-295D-4765-BCD9-C3AF11F95EF7@internode.on.net> <570C8AFD-ED7F-4CE5-8F0F-6B7151311CEC@tft-bbs.co.uk> <5A785A1F-336C-4744-ACAF-B219BC94AD37@blueyonder.co.uk> <9C3CB8BF-9E9B-4A75-AEC8-D85B6DF2A62D@tft-bbs.co.uk> <3A89C15F-27D4-4755-8B49-04CB5893DDB0@internode.on.net> <6139916C-1457-49D4-9B3C-0224C9D9DB4D@tft-bbs.co.uk> <8990628B-D214-48C8-9D9E-0CC057A86275@tft-bbs.co.uk> <299FBF3D-5F33-4782-B0FC-B948FB658A1B@tft-bbs.co.uk> <904938F9-270A-40A2-9275-07D48A057EFE@internode.on.net> <95564593-325D-4E14-B9CD-02EF93E7DD97@tft-bbs.co.uk> <0D760606-F879-458B-ACFB-426C90C6A4B4@internode.on.ne t> <27ED498E-43F6-49B6-8C04-F274696D085B@tft-bbs.co.uk> <07EBE14C-4166-486F-8330-38551192C356@internode.on.net> <3D5F118F-EE45-4D4C-A6EA-7633BC5D853C@tft-bbs.co.uk> <398B34E8-9D41-41E5-B021-B924D60443FA@internode.on.net> Message-ID: Hi On 7 Jan 2011, at 07:15, Dane Trethowan wrote: > Well we can all make mistakes and we're all different with our opinions, likes, dislikes and needs. Yep I'm not knocking the H4, a wonderful recorder but a pain in the behind when you want to do something quickly without eyes. The H1? Well its as simple as a digital recorder can get. Yep, a few things to learn and a few things to be careful of but I'm in no doubt you'll be using it within 20 seconds. > That is absolutely right, and we all have to respect one another's views. Sadly, I've encountered a lot of situations recently on line where certain people have ridiculed us for wanting to do things in different ways to them. I hope that although we may not always agree on our technological views, choices and solutions, we on this list can at least always respect our fellow members who choose to do things in their own ways. I have just received, within the last few minutes, the H1. I haven't even opened the package yet, as I wanted to go and look for a couple of AA batteries first. But hopefully there should be a 2GB card with this thing so I can at least play with it. > One thing you have to be careful of is that you don't press the fast forward or rewind buttons whilst in "standby" mode, this changes the sample and bit rate though its not a life threatening worry given that the recorder's minimum sample rate is 44.1KHZ at 16 bit and its maximum sample rate is 96KHZ at 24 bit so at the very worst you're still going to get a very reasonable quality recording . > Yes, that's definitely worth knowing. It's a shame there's no beep or anything to indicate sample rate changes. > The recorder cycles between rates so if you're on 96KHZ 24 bit pressing the fast forward takes you to 44.1KHZ 16 bit, pressing again takes you to 44.1 24 bit and so on. > Do you know what the default is? and whether there's any quick-fix method of setting the entire machine back to defaults values? > The recorder has a couple of other functions which can be activated by holding the on/off/lock switch whilst pressing another button on the unit, these include Format SD card and the setting of the date and time. > Those are features I'm going to have to discover somehow. I may have to go against my golden rule of not wasting time on user manuals! :) But we will see. > I've never bothered about the date and time setting as its only used for time and date stamping of the files, nothing else. > That, to me, is quite important actually. > Erasing files is simple, play the file you wish to erase, you can hear the file playing through the internal speaker. When you've found the file you wish to erase just press the "Erase" button which is indented. On the screen you're prompted "Yes or no", to erase press the "Record/Stop" button on the front, to cancel press the "Erase" button again. > Useful. > That's enough ramble. > I might contact you off list. Gordon From gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk Fri Jan 7 17:03:10 2011 From: gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk (Gordon Smith) Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2011 17:03:10 +0000 Subject: ebay and other stuff In-Reply-To: <201101071406.p07E6pgb096409@x.it.okstate.edu> References: <201101071406.p07E6pgb096409@x.it.okstate.edu> Message-ID: <54DBA2D5-A994-44C1-89EC-F7E506BAEDDF@tft-bbs.co.uk> Hi Martin On 7 Jan 2011, at 14:06, Martin McCormick wrote: > I hadn't heard of it but it sounds interesting. What software do > you need to work it and how do you get on to it? > I'll google it, because it's been a while since I played with it. Over here there is a national VHF/UHF network which British amateurs can use to log in and chat. Elsewhere, of course, there is no such network as the entire thing was design by a G4 something or other. > The echolink system which is totally different, I know, > uses Windows and maybe possibly mac software but I don't think > it has a Linux command-line client. >> Hams, I hate that name to be honest. I am not a ham, I'm a radio >> amateur. > Sorry Martin, it might actually be Echolink I'm talking about. 73 all amateur operators. D E ... G0BZC From gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk Fri Jan 7 17:05:36 2011 From: gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk (Gordon Smith) Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2011 17:05:36 +0000 Subject: Hams (was ebay and other stuff ) In-Reply-To: <201101071426.p07EQpRG096576@x.it.okstate.edu> References: <201101071426.p07EQpRG096576@x.it.okstate.edu> Message-ID: <1C7787E5-F232-470D-A43A-264EF295E4BB@tft-bbs.co.uk> I didn't see the original message here. But it might be a good time to remind people about making offensive or defamatory comments towards others, list members or otherwise. On 7 Jan 2011, at 14:26, Martin McCormick wrote: > Hey! It's Friday. From gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk Fri Jan 7 18:35:00 2011 From: gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk (Gordon Smith) Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2011 18:35:00 +0000 Subject: ebay and other stuff In-Reply-To: <201101071731.p07HVFrE098441@x.it.okstate.edu> References: <201101071731.p07HVFrE098441@x.it.okstate.edu> Message-ID: <6640BBC7-BED0-417C-806E-92418CF0188D@tft-bbs.co.uk> Hi Martin Moving this from Just-Chat as it doesn't seem to fit there any longer. On 7 Jan 2011, at 17:31, Martin McCormick wrote: > When you go to some of the amateur radio meetings or "ham fests" > around here, you see people running around wearing little > buttons that say, "I am a 20-word-per-minute Extra." That would > technically describe me as I got my Extra in 1988, maybe a year > or 2 before the Extra dropped to 13 WPM, then 5 and then 0. > You're just trying to wind me up now! :) Your licensing system was always very different from ours. In the good old days we had 2 licenses, class A and class B. The B licensees were allowed to use 144 MHZ upwards, on F3E only. On, well unless you include F2B which allowed them to use a frequency modulated carrier with an audio tone, allowing them to use things like Morse code to practice, and computer-generated stuff like RTTY and packet radio. > Those buttons are just mean-spirited and I would like to ask some of those guys about digital signal processing, pulse-width modulation and a whole load of other modern digital > communications techniques which I certainly don't know much > about and I bet they know even less except that that technology > is the state of the art and if you want to stay current, one needs to understand what sorts of signals are zipping through the air. > as I said, I'm not much into what they're doing these days, But black box wise, I don't think there's many which can or could beat the TS790E (790A in the US market), not on VHF/UHF anyway. The other radio which I own is the TS850S which was one of the best tripple-het receivers ever created by mankind. I must bite the bullet and get it fixed one of these days. But I think first I'll try pulling out the ATU and replacing the link lead, (I still have it somewhere), see if the basic radio itself still works. If it does, as I suspect will be the case, then the ATU is scrap. I never liked those automatic internal tuners much anyway, they don't have much tolerance on them. Anyway, our licenses. You used to get your class A license by passing a Morse test at 12 WPM. Piece of cake to be honest. But in the old days disabled people were allowed to sit the test at home. I opted not too though, because I wanted to compete on a level playing field. So I went up to a coast guard station where they used to do the tests and I was lucky enough to pass first time. I got my class A license in June of 1985 having held a class B license for about 18 months prior to that. But things have changed drastically now in the field of UK amateur radio. The licenses are free of charge, as it was costing more to administer the service than the government made out of it. Martin; I'm going to pass on the rest of this if you'll excuse me. To be honest, I don't have the time at the moment to sit and discuss it, much as I'd like too. I have a lot on my plate, and I need to try and master this Zoom, (find out which buttons do what), before Sunday morning. I am working at an event at that time and was planning to record it using our Mac. But now I wont be doing that. I will take the Plextalk along with me and also, if I've mastered the controls by then, the Zoom. Lynne can read the manual of course. But she is having to go into work tomorrow and Sunday as they have builders there. I'll let her tell Just Chat about that when she's ready. 73; Gordon From martin at x.it.okstate.edu Fri Jan 7 18:41:59 2011 From: martin at x.it.okstate.edu (Martin McCormick) Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2011 12:41:59 -0600 Subject: Hams (was ebay and other stuff ) Message-ID: <201101071841.p07Ifx0f099281@x.it.okstate.edu> Gordon Smith writes: > I didn't see the original message here. But it might be a good time to > remind people about making offensive or defamatory comments towards > others, list members or otherwise. > > On 7 Jan 2011, at 14:26, Martin McCormick wrote: > > Hey! It's Friday. I don't understand. I was making a joke about the pig becoming a ham and the fact that he became a silent key before becoming a ham which is not exactly the order that most of us amateurs, if we are called hams, do things. I was using that is was Friday as justifycation to make a terrible pun. about pigs becoming hams. and what they must do to make that transition. From martin at x.it.okstate.edu Fri Jan 7 19:30:08 2011 From: martin at x.it.okstate.edu (Martin McCormick) Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2011 13:30:08 -0600 Subject: Zoom Message-ID: <201101071930.p07JU8oc099952@x.it.okstate.edu> Gordon, I remember somebody posted a message stating that if one is using certain hearing instruments, you can tell which sampling rate is in use by using the hearing device in a way that it picks up the electromagnetic signals from the recorder as it writes to the memory card. It does this at a faster cadence when the sampling rate is higher so you listen for noises at a certain rate. You would probably be able to use an AM portable radio or maybe a telephone pickup coil to hear the cadence. From grtdane at internode.on.net Fri Jan 7 20:11:17 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2011 07:11:17 +1100 Subject: Zoom! In-Reply-To: References: <3BD0E87D-57BD-43C5-9B3F-52380F2F3DEF@tft-bbs.co.uk> <9299BFD0-295D-4765-BCD9-C3AF11F95EF7@internode.on.net> <570C8AFD-ED7F-4CE5-8F0F-6B7151311CEC@tft-bbs.co.uk> <5A785A1F-336C-4744-ACAF-B219BC94AD37@blueyonder.co.uk> <9C3CB8BF-9E9B-4A75-AEC8-D85B6DF2A62D@tft-bbs.co.uk> <3A89C15F-27D4-4755-8B49-04CB5893DDB0@internode.on.net> <6139916C-1457-49D4-9B3C-0224C9D9DB4D@tft-bbs.co.uk> <8990628B-D214-48C8-9D9E-0CC057A86275@tft-bbs.co.uk> <299FBF3D-5F33-4782-B0FC-B948FB658A1B@tft-bbs.co.uk> <904938F9-270A-40A2-9275-07D48A057EFE@internode.on.net> <95564593-325D-4E14-B9CD-02EF93E7DD97@tft-bbs.co.uk> <0D760606-F879-458B-ACFB-426C90C6A4B4@internode.on.ne t> <27ED498E-43F6-49B6-8C04-F274696D085B@tft-bbs.co.uk> <07EBE14C-4166-486F-8330-38551192C356@internode.on.net> <3D5F118F-EE45-4D4C-A6EA-7633BC5D853C@tft-bbs.co.uk> <398B34E8-9D41-41E5-B021-B924D60443FA@internode.on.net> Message-ID: <074F12EC-86C9-4BBF-A787-46AAB8ED8D21@internode.on.net> I think that if you remove the power source from the H1 for a while the sampling rate reverts back to 44.1KHZ 16 bit, that's the default mine was set at when I received it but I do have a method of telling what sample rate the recorder is in, its a unusual way one might say to tell but it works, I bought an "Induction Amp" a few weeks ago from my local hearing aid accessaries store. Putting this close to the Zoom you can hear the Zoom writing to the SD card in bursts, the faster the burst the higher the sampling and bit rate, 44.1KHZ 16 bit is the lowest this machine offers and data is written to the card about every half second, in 96K 24 bit mode its written just under every quarter of a second. These induction amps are dead useful when doing computer work, you can for example tell if data is being written to a hard drive, found this useful recently when testing to see whether a drive in my Windows machine was booting. There are several different types of induction amp, the one I have looks just like a small transistor radio from the 70s, put it near a device and ear the result through the internal speaker, put it near a phone receiver and hear the speaker or t-coil amplified. On 08/01/2011, at 3:47 AM, Gordon Smith wrote: > Hi > > On 7 Jan 2011, at 07:15, Dane Trethowan wrote: > >> Well we can all make mistakes and we're all different with our opinions, likes, dislikes and needs. Yep I'm not knocking the H4, a wonderful recorder but a pain in the behind when you want to do something quickly without eyes. The H1? Well its as simple as a digital recorder can get. Yep, a few things to learn and a few things to be careful of but I'm in no doubt you'll be using it within 20 seconds. >> > That is absolutely right, and we all have to respect one another's views. Sadly, I've encountered a lot of situations recently on line where certain people have ridiculed us for wanting to do things in different ways to them. > > I hope that although we may not always agree on our technological views, choices and solutions, we on this list can at least always respect our fellow members who choose to do things in their own ways. > > I have just received, within the last few minutes, the H1. I haven't even opened the package yet, as I wanted to go and look for a couple of AA batteries first. But hopefully there should be a 2GB card with this thing so I can at least play with it. > >> One thing you have to be careful of is that you don't press the fast forward or rewind buttons whilst in "standby" mode, this changes the sample and bit rate though its not a life threatening worry given that the recorder's minimum sample rate is 44.1KHZ at 16 bit and its maximum sample rate is 96KHZ at 24 bit so at the very worst you're still going to get a very reasonable quality recording . >> > Yes, that's definitely worth knowing. It's a shame there's no beep or anything to indicate sample rate changes. > >> The recorder cycles between rates so if you're on 96KHZ 24 bit pressing the fast forward takes you to 44.1KHZ 16 bit, pressing again takes you to 44.1 24 bit and so on. >> > Do you know what the default is? and whether there's any quick-fix method of setting the entire machine back to defaults values? > >> The recorder has a couple of other functions which can be activated by holding the on/off/lock switch whilst pressing another button on the unit, these include Format SD card and the setting of the date and time. >> > Those are features I'm going to have to discover somehow. I may have to go against my golden rule of not wasting time on user manuals! :) But we will see. > >> I've never bothered about the date and time setting as its only used for time and date stamping of the files, nothing else. >> > That, to me, is quite important actually. > >> Erasing files is simple, play the file you wish to erase, you can hear the file playing through the internal speaker. When you've found the file you wish to erase just press the "Erase" button which is indented. On the screen you're prompted "Yes or no", to erase press the "Record/Stop" button on the front, to cancel press the "Erase" button again. >> > Useful. > >> That's enough ramble. >> > I might contact you off list. > > Gordon > > _______________________________________________ > > The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free > > To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: > http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html > From gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk Fri Jan 7 21:20:31 2011 From: gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk (Gordon Smith) Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2011 21:20:31 +0000 Subject: Hams (was ebay and other stuff ) In-Reply-To: <201101071841.p07Ifx0f099281@x.it.okstate.edu> References: <201101071841.p07Ifx0f099281@x.it.okstate.edu> Message-ID: <69244E52-722B-4090-A19F-02A829FDCDC0@tft-bbs.co.uk> Hi Martin Cleared up off list, as you know. Just a misunderstanding on my part. Sorry about that folks. On 7 Jan 2011, at 18:41, Martin McCormick wrote: > Gordon Smith writes: >> I didn't see the original message here. But it might be a good time to >> remind people about making offensive or defamatory comments towards >> others, list members or otherwise. >> >> On 7 Jan 2011, at 14:26, Martin McCormick wrote: >>> Hey! It's Friday. > > I don't understand. I was making a joke about the pig becoming a > ham and the fact that he became a silent key before becoming a > ham which is not exactly the order that most of us amateurs, if > we are called hams, do things. I was using that is was Friday as > justifycation to make a terrible pun. about pigs becoming hams. > and what they must do to make that transition. > _______________________________________________ > > The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free > > To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: > http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html > From gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk Fri Jan 7 21:23:40 2011 From: gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk (Gordon Smith) Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2011 21:23:40 +0000 Subject: Zoom In-Reply-To: <201101071930.p07JU8oc099952@x.it.okstate.edu> References: <201101071930.p07JU8oc099952@x.it.okstate.edu> Message-ID: <4E5A63CC-2307-4B1B-943A-E297CD3A3F33@tft-bbs.co.uk> Hi Martin I think those days are over, at least they are for me. The thing I use nowadays doesn't suffer much in the way of poppy clicky noises even when confronted by the most noisy mobile phone. Phonak have developed techniques it seems to overcome that problem. Gordon On 7 Jan 2011, at 19:30, Martin McCormick wrote: > > I remember somebody posted a message stating that if one > is using certain hearing instruments, you can tell which > sampling rate is in use by using the hearing device in a way > that it picks up the electromagnetic signals from the recorder > as it writes to the memory card. It does this at a faster > cadence when the sampling rate is higher so you listen for > noises at a certain rate. You would probably be able to use an > AM portable radio or maybe a telephone pickup coil to hear the > cadence. From gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk Fri Jan 7 21:27:15 2011 From: gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk (Gordon Smith) Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2011 21:27:15 +0000 Subject: Zoom! In-Reply-To: <074F12EC-86C9-4BBF-A787-46AAB8ED8D21@internode.on.net> References: <3BD0E87D-57BD-43C5-9B3F-52380F2F3DEF@tft-bbs.co.uk> <9299BFD0-295D-4765-BCD9-C3AF11F95EF7@internode.on.net> <570C8AFD-ED7F-4CE5-8F0F-6B7151311CEC@tft-bbs.co.uk> <5A785A1F-336C-4744-ACAF-B219BC94AD37@blueyonder.co.uk> <9C3CB8BF-9E9B-4A75-AEC8-D85B6DF2A62D@tft-bbs.co.uk> <3A89C15F-27D4-4755-8B49-04CB5893DDB0@internode.on.net> <6139916C-1457-49D4-9B3C-0224C9D9DB4D@tft-bbs.co.uk> <8990628B-D214-48C8-9D9E-0CC057A86275@tft-bbs.co.uk> <299FBF3D-5F33-4782-B0FC-B948FB658A1B@tft-bbs.co.uk> <904938F9-270A-40A2-9275-07D48A057EFE@internode.on.net> <95564593-325D-4E14-B9CD-02EF93E7DD97@tft-bbs.co.uk> <0D760606-F879-458B-ACFB-426C90C6A4B4@internode.on.ne t> <27ED498E-43F6-49B6-8C04-F274696D085B@tft-bbs.co.uk> <07EBE14C-4166-486F-8330-38551192C356@internode.on.net> <3D5F118F-EE45-4D4C-A6EA-7633BC5D853C@tft-bbs.co.uk> <398B34E8-9D41-41E5-B021-B924D60443FA@internode.on.net> <074F12EC-86C9-4BBF-A787-46AAB8ED8D21@internode.on.net> Message-ID: <29374D28-AEEF-49B3-A2FD-86653844D19D@tft-bbs.co.uk> Not a problem in my case. The Phonaks seem to be far more immune as I said earlier. I'm sure I'll find a way around the problem; I do find ways around most other issues. But I need to go visiting shortly anyway about other issues so I am going to see about upgrading. On 7 Jan 2011, at 20:11, Dane Trethowan wrote: > I think that if you remove the power source from the H1 for a while the sampling rate reverts back to 44.1KHZ 16 bit, that's the default mine was set at when I received it but I do have a method of telling what sample rate the recorder is in, its a unusual way one might say to tell but it works, I bought an "Induction Amp" a few weeks ago from my local hearing aid accessaries store. Putting this close to the Zoom you can hear the Zoom writing to the SD card in bursts, the faster the burst the higher the sampling and bit rate, 44.1KHZ 16 bit is the lowest this machine offers and data is written to the card about every half second, in 96K 24 bit mode its written just under every quarter of a second. > > These induction amps are dead useful when doing computer work, you can for example tell if data is being written to a hard drive, found this useful recently when testing to see whether a drive in my Windows machine was booting. > > There are several different types of induction amp, the one I have looks just like a small transistor radio from the 70s, put it near a device and ear the result through the internal speaker, put it near a phone receiver and hear the speaker or t-coil amplified. > > > On 08/01/2011, at 3:47 AM, Gordon Smith wrote: > >> Hi >> >> On 7 Jan 2011, at 07:15, Dane Trethowan wrote: >> >>> Well we can all make mistakes and we're all different with our opinions, likes, dislikes and needs. Yep I'm not knocking the H4, a wonderful recorder but a pain in the behind when you want to do something quickly without eyes. The H1? Well its as simple as a digital recorder can get. Yep, a few things to learn and a few things to be careful of but I'm in no doubt you'll be using it within 20 seconds. >>> >> That is absolutely right, and we all have to respect one another's views. Sadly, I've encountered a lot of situations recently on line where certain people have ridiculed us for wanting to do things in different ways to them. >> >> I hope that although we may not always agree on our technological views, choices and solutions, we on this list can at least always respect our fellow members who choose to do things in their own ways. >> >> I have just received, within the last few minutes, the H1. I haven't even opened the package yet, as I wanted to go and look for a couple of AA batteries first. But hopefully there should be a 2GB card with this thing so I can at least play with it. >> >>> One thing you have to be careful of is that you don't press the fast forward or rewind buttons whilst in "standby" mode, this changes the sample and bit rate though its not a life threatening worry given that the recorder's minimum sample rate is 44.1KHZ at 16 bit and its maximum sample rate is 96KHZ at 24 bit so at the very worst you're still going to get a very reasonable quality recording . >>> >> Yes, that's definitely worth knowing. It's a shame there's no beep or anything to indicate sample rate changes. >> >>> The recorder cycles between rates so if you're on 96KHZ 24 bit pressing the fast forward takes you to 44.1KHZ 16 bit, pressing again takes you to 44.1 24 bit and so on. >>> >> Do you know what the default is? and whether there's any quick-fix method of setting the entire machine back to defaults values? >> >>> The recorder has a couple of other functions which can be activated by holding the on/off/lock switch whilst pressing another button on the unit, these include Format SD card and the setting of the date and time. >>> >> Those are features I'm going to have to discover somehow. I may have to go against my golden rule of not wasting time on user manuals! :) But we will see. >> >>> I've never bothered about the date and time setting as its only used for time and date stamping of the files, nothing else. >>> >> That, to me, is quite important actually. >> >>> Erasing files is simple, play the file you wish to erase, you can hear the file playing through the internal speaker. When you've found the file you wish to erase just press the "Erase" button which is indented. On the screen you're prompted "Yes or no", to erase press the "Record/Stop" button on the front, to cancel press the "Erase" button again. >>> >> Useful. >> >>> That's enough ramble. >>> >> I might contact you off list. >> >> Gordon >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free >> >> To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: >> http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html >> > > _______________________________________________ > > The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free > > To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: > http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html > From gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk Sat Jan 8 01:01:48 2011 From: gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk (Gordon Smith) Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2011 01:01:48 +0000 Subject: Zoom! Got It Working ... But! Message-ID: Hi all This message is all about my initial impressions of the Zoom H1 digital recorder which I now have working. So if this doesn't interest you, feel free to stop reading and delete it right now! I know Dane at least has one of these. I now, as I told you earlier on list I believe, have now received my Zoom H1 digital recorder, courtesy of Lynne. I had thought for a while that there was a card already in the drive; but then I eventually realised that wasn't the case. Micro SD memory is something I haven't used before, so I hadn't realise just how small micro-SD cards actually are. At Amazon UK where Lynne bought this device from, they advertised two different packages of the H1. One with a 512MB card, and the other with a 2GB card but it sounded as though the 2GB card was an extra purchase, and you also got the 512M card with it. So I assumed then that what they were doing was selling the 2GB card for just a little extra. This, it seems, was not the case. So the one I got Lynne to order had a 2GB card with it, but that was the lot. I guess there's nothing wrong with the way they did it, it's just a bit misleading, that's all. I have to say though that Amazon isn't the company it used to be. Yes, It is very true that their stock and their range of goods has improved since they opened up the Amazon Market Place. But there seem to be quite a few sellers selling the same items for slightly different prices and, it seems, with different configurations at times. As for the Zoom H1 itself, setting the thing up was really easy. I suppose I should have expected there to be no card in the device. But it did come as a slight disappointment as I said earlier. OK, fair enough. So I got the micro-SD card and inserted it into the device. I was concerned about inserting flash memory with power already on, so I took out the AA battery which I had already inserted, and I inserted the micro-SD card into the device, then re-ionserted the battery and secured the battery compartment cover. I'll have to try and find out whether or not these things are hot-swappable. I'm guessing that they are not, as is the case with CF cards. Anyway, when I turned on the power, I felt something happen and so I pressed the record/stop button which, I presume, was automatically formatting the card as a FAT16 volume. OK, so I managed to figure out what and where the buttons are. I have to say I do not like the buttons much on this machine. The shape and indentations on them make for a little bit of difficulty I think, but I can manage them. The problem here is going to be using the H1 with cold fingers. I can feel the buttons alright with warm hands. But we're in the middle of Winter here just in case you forgot, and it can get pretty darn cold in the Northern hemisphere at this time of the year as both the British and American list members will attest too I am sure. I've only been playing around with this thing for a very short time, but it sows promise. I haven't yet tried the internal speaker, but I do like the fact that you can monitor the audio that the microphones are detecting in real time in both standby and record mode when you're using an external audio output device such as headphones. I also like the fact that the output volume is adjustable independently of the input volume when the AC is disabled. Very nice little touch there and that is the kind of thing which can make a difference in cases like this. . The presence of both input and output volume controls should make life easier when tweaking the manual gain levels. The AGC is a bit sluggish I think, nowhere near the standard, for instance, of the Plextalk PTR2. But it's good that this is switchable otherwise this device would have made a good door wedge. Initial conclusions are that it's a pretty good value for money digital recorder. There are a couple of things which would have been nice. Including, I have to say, the Zoom website which seems totally inaccessible. I'm not even getting any text there so far, let alone the things I'm looking for. Clearly accessibility would be unrealistic in these cases and, contrary to what some blind people seem to believe, it is perfectly possible, with a little bit of ingenuity and an equal amount of initiative, to use devices which do not sport specific accessibility functionality. One can use one's memory, and soon become accustomed to using something without it having the ability to talk or make other noises. My only real major criticism at this point in time is that it doesn't seem to be possible for a blind person unaided to determine the power status of the H1. There is no audio feedback and no other indicator one could use reliably. But at this point I'm still quite new to it, so I may have missed something obvious. It's quite late at night, after all. My other half turned in a couple of hours ago after a long day at the office / building site. And I haven't slept for the best part of 48 hours, so I may well have missed something. I'm looking forward to paying with this thing in different environments over the weekend, so that I can get a true evaluation of its performance before I really need to put it to the test on Sunday afternoon in a real working environment. But I think, just this first time, I'll take another tried and trusted recorder along with me as well just in case. I can't afford screw-ups on my part or failures on the part of the Zoom or its memory. So, whilst I am seriously hoping that I can eventually just walk around at my place of part-time work at weekends with this thing in my pocket doing its job nicely, until I'm sure I can trust it I dare not take the chance. Gordon From grtdane at internode.on.net Sat Jan 8 01:29:34 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2011 12:29:34 +1100 Subject: Zoom! Got It Working ... But! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <281BB00C-C90E-430F-9B46-03446BE437DD@internode.on.net> Yes, the buttons on the side of the machine took me a little while to get used to, quite small but then again when I look at the machine? Well I don't think they had all that much choice unless they wanted to make the machine larger. I take your point about the AGC, takes a while to recover. the H4 has an AGC which is fully adjustable, that is to say you can set recovery time as well as a whole host of other features but again the crucial point with the H4 in my view is time! you need time to go through the menu system to set all this stuff and possibly extra time to do some monitoring to find out whether its the exact sort of AGC you want for your environment but for me no complaints, you expect these features on a professional recorder as the H4 is but I still prefer the convenience of time saving which the H1 provides . The sound from the audio output is amongst the best I've heard from a portable device, even more so given that the H1 runs on such a low voltage. Note, by default the Input volume is set at 50% which should be good enough for most environments, you may need to turn it down to say 30 for line in sources, possibly lower for louder sources and probably a bit higher for making recordings when speaking to the microphones. There is no way to find out the status of the battery if you can't see the screen so I do the old time thing, battery life is about 10 hours so I work around that. My H1 came with a 2GB card which I thought was standard? Maybe not. On 08/01/2011, at 12:01 PM, Gordon Smith wrote: > Hi all > > This message is all about my initial impressions of the Zoom H1 digital recorder which I now have working. So if this doesn't interest you, feel free to stop reading and delete it right now! > > I know Dane at least has one of these. I now, as I told you earlier on list I believe, have now received my Zoom H1 digital recorder, courtesy of Lynne. > > I had thought for a while that there was a card already in the drive; but then I eventually realised that wasn't the case. Micro SD memory is something I haven't used before, so I hadn't realise just how small micro-SD cards actually are. > > At Amazon UK where Lynne bought this device from, they advertised two different packages of the H1. One with a 512MB card, and the other with a 2GB card but it sounded as though the 2GB card was an extra purchase, and you also got the 512M card with it. So I assumed then that what they were doing was selling the 2GB card for just a little extra. This, it seems, was not the case. So the one I got Lynne to order had a 2GB card with it, but that was the lot. > > I guess there's nothing wrong with the way they did it, it's just a bit misleading, that's all. I have to say though that Amazon isn't the company it used to be. Yes, It is very true that their stock and their range of goods has improved since they opened up the Amazon Market Place. But there seem to be quite a few sellers selling the same items for slightly different prices and, it seems, with different configurations at times. > > As for the Zoom H1 itself, setting the thing up was really easy. I suppose I should have expected there to be no card in the device. But it did come as a slight disappointment as I said earlier. OK, fair enough. So I got the micro-SD card and inserted it into the device. I was concerned about inserting flash memory with power already on, so I took out the AA battery which I had already inserted, and I inserted the micro-SD card into the device, then re-ionserted the battery and secured the battery compartment cover. I'll have to try and find out whether or not these things are hot-swappable. I'm guessing that they are not, as is the case with CF cards. > > Anyway, when I turned on the power, I felt something happen and so I pressed the record/stop button which, I presume, was automatically formatting the card as a FAT16 volume. OK, so I managed to figure out what and where the buttons are. I have to say I do not like the buttons much on this machine. The shape and indentations on them make for a little bit of difficulty I think, but I can manage them. > > The problem here is going to be using the H1 with cold fingers. I can feel the buttons alright with warm hands. But we're in the middle of Winter here just in case you forgot, and it can get pretty darn cold in the Northern hemisphere at this time of the year as both the British and American list members will attest too I am sure. > > I've only been playing around with this thing for a very short time, but it sows promise. I haven't yet tried the internal speaker, but I do like the fact that you can monitor the audio that the microphones are detecting in real time in both standby and record mode when you're using an external audio output device such as headphones. I also like the fact that the output volume is adjustable independently of the input volume when the AC is disabled. Very nice little touch there and that is the kind of thing which can make a difference in cases like this. . The presence of both input and output volume controls should make life easier when tweaking the manual gain levels. The AGC is a bit sluggish I think, nowhere near the standard, for instance, of the Plextalk PTR2. But it's good that this is switchable otherwise this device would have made a good door wedge. > > Initial conclusions are that it's a pretty good value for money digital recorder. There are a couple of things which would have been nice. Including, I have to say, the Zoom website which seems totally inaccessible. I'm not even getting any text there so far, let alone the things I'm looking for. > > Clearly accessibility would be unrealistic in these cases and, contrary to what some blind people seem to believe, it is perfectly possible, with a little bit of ingenuity and an equal amount of initiative, to use devices which do not sport specific accessibility functionality. One can use one's memory, and soon become accustomed to using something without it having the ability to talk or make other noises. > > My only real major criticism at this point in time is that it doesn't seem to be possible for a blind person unaided to determine the power status of the H1. There is no audio feedback and no other indicator one could use reliably. But at this point I'm still quite new to it, so I may have missed something obvious. It's quite late at night, after all. My other half turned in a couple of hours ago after a long day at the office / building site. And I haven't slept for the best part of 48 hours, so I may well have missed something. > > I'm looking forward to paying with this thing in different environments over the weekend, so that I can get a true evaluation of its performance before I really need to put it to the test on Sunday afternoon in a real working environment. But I think, just this first time, I'll take another tried and trusted recorder along with me as well just in case. I can't afford screw-ups on my part or failures on the part of the Zoom or its memory. So, whilst I am seriously hoping that I can eventually just walk around at my place of part-time work at weekends with this thing in my pocket doing its job nicely, until I'm sure I can trust it I dare not take the chance. > > Gordon > > _______________________________________________ > > The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free > > To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: > http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html > From marrie12 at gmail.com Sat Jan 8 20:57:49 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2011 12:57:49 -0800 Subject: Zoom! Got It Working ... But! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Be aware though that you have to be careful ifyou wan tot let's say record at mp3 4800khz and at 320kbps. all the choices there rap which makes thing s a bit tricky. Also 2 gigs equals about 2 hours in 24 bit 44.1khz wav. S the On Jan 7, 2011, at 5:01 PM, Gordon Smith wrote: > Hi all > > This message is all about my initial impressions of the Zoom H1 digital recorder which I now have working. So if this doesn't interest you, feel free to stop reading and delete it right now! > > I know Dane at least has one of these. I now, as I told you earlier on list I believe, have now received my Zoom H1 digital recorder, courtesy of Lynne. > > I had thought for a while that there was a card already in the drive; but then I eventually realised that wasn't the case. Micro SD memory is something I haven't used before, so I hadn't realise just how small micro-SD cards actually are. > > At Amazon UK where Lynne bought this device from, they advertised two different packages of the H1. One with a 512MB card, and the other with a 2GB card but it sounded as though the 2GB card was an extra purchase, and you also got the 512M card with it. So I assumed then that what they were doing was selling the 2GB card for just a little extra. This, it seems, was not the case. So the one I got Lynne to order had a 2GB card with it, but that was the lot. > > I guess there's nothing wrong with the way they did it, it's just a bit misleading, that's all. I have to say though that Amazon isn't the company it used to be. Yes, It is very true that their stock and their range of goods has improved since they opened up the Amazon Market Place. But there seem to be quite a few sellers selling the same items for slightly different prices and, it seems, with different configurations at times. > > As for the Zoom H1 itself, setting the thing up was really easy. I suppose I should have expected there to be no card in the device. But it did come as a slight disappointment as I said earlier. OK, fair enough. So I got the micro-SD card and inserted it into the device. I was concerned about inserting flash memory with power already on, so I took out the AA battery which I had already inserted, and I inserted the micro-SD card into the device, then re-ionserted the battery and secured the battery compartment cover. I'll have to try and find out whether or not these things are hot-swappable. I'm guessing that they are not, as is the case with CF cards. > > Anyway, when I turned on the power, I felt something happen and so I pressed the record/stop button which, I presume, was automatically formatting the card as a FAT16 volume. OK, so I managed to figure out what and where the buttons are. I have to say I do not like the buttons much on this machine. The shape and indentations on them make for a little bit of difficulty I think, but I can manage them. > > The problem here is going to be using the H1 with cold fingers. I can feel the buttons alright with warm hands. But we're in the middle of Winter here just in case you forgot, and it can get pretty darn cold in the Northern hemisphere at this time of the year as both the British and American list members will attest too I am sure. > > I've only been playing around with this thing for a very short time, but it sows promise. I haven't yet tried the internal speaker, but I do like the fact that you can monitor the audio that the microphones are detecting in real time in both standby and record mode when you're using an external audio output device such as headphones. I also like the fact that the output volume is adjustable independently of the input volume when the AC is disabled. Very nice little touch there and that is the kind of thing which can make a difference in cases like this. . The presence of both input and output volume controls should make life easier when tweaking the manual gain levels. The AGC is a bit sluggish I think, nowhere near the standard, for instance, of the Plextalk PTR2. But it's good that this is switchable otherwise this device would have made a good door wedge. > > Initial conclusions are that it's a pretty good value for money digital recorder. There are a couple of things which would have been nice. Including, I have to say, the Zoom website which seems totally inaccessible. I'm not even getting any text there so far, let alone the things I'm looking for. > > Clearly accessibility would be unrealistic in these cases and, contrary to what some blind people seem to believe, it is perfectly possible, with a little bit of ingenuity and an equal amount of initiative, to use devices which do not sport specific accessibility functionality. One can use one's memory, and soon become accustomed to using something without it having the ability to talk or make other noises. > > My only real major criticism at this point in time is that it doesn't seem to be possible for a blind person unaided to determine the power status of the H1. There is no audio feedback and no other indicator one could use reliably. But at this point I'm still quite new to it, so I may have missed something obvious. It's quite late at night, after all. My other half turned in a couple of hours ago after a long day at the office / building site. And I haven't slept for the best part of 48 hours, so I may well have missed something. > > I'm looking forward to paying with this thing in different environments over the weekend, so that I can get a true evaluation of its performance before I really need to put it to the test on Sunday afternoon in a real working environment. But I think, just this first time, I'll take another tried and trusted recorder along with me as well just in case. I can't afford screw-ups on my part or failures on the part of the Zoom or its memory. So, whilst I am seriously hoping that I can eventually just walk around at my place of part-time work at weekends with this thing in my pocket doing its job nicely, until I'm sure I can trust it I dare not take the chance. > > Gordon > > _______________________________________________ > > The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free > > To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: > http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html > From support at tft-bbs.com Sun Jan 9 01:37:42 2011 From: support at tft-bbs.com (Gordon & Lynne Smith) Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2011 01:37:42 +0000 Subject: Re-Scheduled Outage; [Emergency]! Please Read! Message-ID: Good Saturday evening to those in the Americas, or good Sunday to those in the UK and Europe, or in Australasia. This post is to inform you that unexpectedly, we received confirmation yesterday that our new leased line which will carry our new SDSL2+ service is to be installed this morning. BT Openreach, who install all lines and fibre-optic cabling for all telecommunications providers within the UK sent an engineer yesterday to do the work. However, owing to the fact that he turned up a mere hour before darkness fell, and that he was unaccompanied by a colleague on what is a two-man job, he was unable to complete all of the work. Two engineers are attending our property this morning with a view to finally completing the work. Because the work is more involved than we had at first believed, (and more involved the BT Openreach appreciated), it will be necessary to change all of the cabling which runs from our local hub to our property. That involves replacing some 100 meters of thin cable with a new higher quality cable capable of supporting the SDSL2+ signal which is far more intense than either ADSL or DSL. This will mean that it will be necessary to close down our servers for a time this morning. We have scheduled this outage for 08:00 (UTC) and we anticipate that it will last for approximately one-and-a-half to two hours. During this time, you will, of course, be unable to access either our list server or any of the websites hosted by us. We apologise for any inconvenience this may cause you; but we are sure that you will understand that this work is necessary work, and that it will be of benefit to all of those who use our services, directly or indirectly. We have plans to enhance the group significantly by adding additional services. The network expansion which we are undertaking will allow us to significantly improve what we offer you in many ways. Gordon and I are investing significant amounts of money into this project, aided by no outside funding. So we hope that you will come to see the benefits in the not too distant future. And finally, as always, if you have any questions or comments regarding the above, please feel free to contact us at the usual support address: although it is doubtful you will be able to do so by morning, our time. Thank you again for your patience and understanding at this time. Lynne From lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk Sun Jan 9 03:01:59 2011 From: lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2011 03:01:59 +0000 Subject: Zoom! Got It Working ... But! In-Reply-To: <281BB00C-C90E-430F-9B46-03446BE437DD@internode.on.net> References: <281BB00C-C90E-430F-9B46-03446BE437DD@internode.on.net> Message-ID: <34AEBCD7-7504-402F-8C34-737606DF59F5@tft-bbs.co.uk> Hello Dane On 8 Jan 2011, at 01:29, Dane Trethowan wrote: > ? Yes, the buttons on the side of the machine took me a little while to get used to, quite small but then again when I look at the machine? Well I don't think they had all that much choice unless they wanted to make the machine larger. > As I expected, Gordon is now fine with the buttons. The only thing that threw him for a while was the spring-loaded power switch at the bottom of the group. > ? I take your point about the AGC, takes a while to recover. the H4 has an AGC which is fully adjustable, that is to say you can set recovery time as well as a whole host of other features but again the crucial point with the H4 in my view is time! you need time to go through the menu system to set all this stuff and possibly extra time to do some monitoring to find out whether its the exact sort of AGC you want for your environment but for me no complaints, you expect these features on a professional recorder as the H4 is but I still prefer the convenience of time saving which the H1 provides . > We gave up on the AGC to be honest. It caused us more problems than it solved. So it's just manual use for us. > ? The sound from the audio output is amongst the best I've heard from a portable device, even more so given that the H1 runs on such a low voltage. > The internal speaker is only really any good as a temporary monitor. But if you put this thing in front of a device that has good sound, I agree with you; it's pretty darn good. > ? Note, by default the Input volume is set at 50% which should be good enough for most environments, you may need to turn it down to say 30 for line in sources, possibly lower for louder sources and probably a bit higher for making recordings when speaking to the microphones. > We will be using it like that on Monday. Gordon has a meeting at work which will require him to use his Mac for other purposes, hooked up to a 30 inch cinema display monitor.. So obviously he won't be able to take notes on it. Therefore, it's a mix between the Zoom to record the meeting using our external stereo microphone, and the most reliable technology in the world; a pen and paper. I will be present to play secretaries for him. This is a very important meeting and it could have consequences that could affect people involved, (though thankfully, not us), for years to come. So we want to be absolutely sure that there is a complete record of the meeting. Never, when I ordered the Zoom, did I expect that it would have such an important part to play so soon after it arrived. We can only hope that it doesn't let us down. > ? There is no way to find out the status of the battery if you can't see the screen so I do the old time thing, battery life is about 10 hours so I work around that. > Actually, what is more of a problem for a blind person seems to be knowing when the machine is powered off. Gordon has found a work-around but it takes a bit of fiddling around. > ? My H1 came with a 2GB card which I thought was standard? Maybe not. > There are 3 versions; 1 with the 2GB card. Another with a 512mB card and the third with no card at all. Lynne From lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk Sun Jan 9 03:05:59 2011 From: lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2011 03:05:59 +0000 Subject: Zoom! Got It Working ... But! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello Sarah On 8 Jan 2011, at 20:57, Sarah Alawami wrote: > ? Be aware though that you have to be careful ifyou wan tot let's say record at mp3 4800khz and at 320kbps. all the choices there rap which makes thing s a bit tricky. Also 2 gigs equals about 2 hours in 24 bit 44.1khz wav. > That's why I ordered the accessory pack with a 32GB card. May as well go for something workable. Gordon is going to need broadcast quality so MP3 is out. We never use MP3 anywhere actually. Lynne From marrie12 at gmail.com Sun Jan 9 06:01:39 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2011 22:01:39 -0800 Subject: Zoom! Got It Working ... But! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6BB906E3-7D4F-49FC-94B3-F41788E7A86B@gmail.com> OH really? I record everything at mp3 320kbps. that is higher then cd quality. but wav works. So you shold get around 32 hours of recording if I do my math right. lol! On Jan 8, 2011, at 7:05 PM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hello Sarah > > On 8 Jan 2011, at 20:57, Sarah Alawami wrote: > >> ? Be aware though that you have to be careful ifyou wan tot let's say record at mp3 4800khz and at 320kbps. all the choices there rap which makes thing s a bit tricky. Also 2 gigs equals about 2 hours in 24 bit 44.1khz wav. >> > That's why I ordered the accessory pack with a 32GB card. May as well go for something workable. > > Gordon is going to need broadcast quality so MP3 is out. We never use MP3 anywhere actually. > > Lynne > > > _______________________________________________ > > The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free > > To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: > http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html > From marrie12 at gmail.com Sun Jan 9 06:01:55 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2011 22:01:55 -0800 Subject: Zoom! Got It Working ... But! In-Reply-To: <34AEBCD7-7504-402F-8C34-737606DF59F5@tft-bbs.co.uk> References: <281BB00C-C90E-430F-9B46-03446BE437DD@internode.on.net> <34AEBCD7-7504-402F-8C34-737606DF59F5@tft-bbs.co.uk> Message-ID: <646D018C-F114-4145-A77C-A4AF399B2D58@gmail.com> Hey what was that work around? S On Jan 8, 2011, at 7:01 PM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hello Dane > > On 8 Jan 2011, at 01:29, Dane Trethowan wrote: > >> ? Yes, the buttons on the side of the machine took me a little while to get used to, quite small but then again when I look at the machine? Well I don't think they had all that much choice unless they wanted to make the machine larger. >> > As I expected, Gordon is now fine with the buttons. The only thing that threw him for a while was the spring-loaded power switch at the bottom of the group. > >> ? I take your point about the AGC, takes a while to recover. the H4 has an AGC which is fully adjustable, that is to say you can set recovery time as well as a whole host of other features but again the crucial point with the H4 in my view is time! you need time to go through the menu system to set all this stuff and possibly extra time to do some monitoring to find out whether its the exact sort of AGC you want for your environment but for me no complaints, you expect these features on a professional recorder as the H4 is but I still prefer the convenience of time saving which the H1 provides . >> > We gave up on the AGC to be honest. It caused us more problems than it solved. So it's just manual use for us. > >> ? The sound from the audio output is amongst the best I've heard from a portable device, even more so given that the H1 runs on such a low voltage. >> > The internal speaker is only really any good as a temporary monitor. But if you put this thing in front of a device that has good sound, I agree with you; it's pretty darn good. > >> ? Note, by default the Input volume is set at 50% which should be good enough for most environments, you may need to turn it down to say 30 for line in sources, possibly lower for louder sources and probably a bit higher for making recordings when speaking to the microphones. >> > We will be using it like that on Monday. Gordon has a meeting at work which will require him to use his Mac for other purposes, hooked up to a 30 inch cinema display monitor.. So obviously he won't be able to take notes on it. Therefore, it's a mix between the Zoom to record the meeting using our external stereo microphone, and the most reliable technology in the world; a pen and paper. I will be present to play secretaries for him. > > This is a very important meeting and it could have consequences that could affect people involved, (though thankfully, not us), for years to come. So we want to be absolutely sure that there is a complete record of the meeting. > > Never, when I ordered the Zoom, did I expect that it would have such an important part to play so soon after it arrived. We can only hope that it doesn't let us down. > >> ? There is no way to find out the status of the battery if you can't see the screen so I do the old time thing, battery life is about 10 hours so I work around that. >> > Actually, what is more of a problem for a blind person seems to be knowing when the machine is powered off. Gordon has found a work-around but it takes a bit of fiddling around. > >> ? My H1 came with a 2GB card which I thought was standard? Maybe not. >> > There are 3 versions; 1 with the 2GB card. Another with a 512mB card and the third with no card at all. > > Lynne > > > _______________________________________________ > > The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free > > To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: > http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html > From grtdane at internode.on.net Sun Jan 9 06:44:24 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2011 17:44:24 +1100 Subject: Zoom! Got It Working ... But! In-Reply-To: <34AEBCD7-7504-402F-8C34-737606DF59F5@tft-bbs.co.uk> References: <281BB00C-C90E-430F-9B46-03446BE437DD@internode.on.net> <34AEBCD7-7504-402F-8C34-737606DF59F5@tft-bbs.co.uk> Message-ID: I've had no trouble powering on and off the Zoom, to power on hold the spring loaded on/off/lock switch for 4 seconds and release, power is then on and as has been observed, you can check by monitoring the output. To switch power off, hold spring loaded power lever for 2 seconds, power is switched off though the H1 still takes a little current to maintain date and time settings. Speaker isn't anything to write home about however it was never meant to be, just a "reference"speaker and that's a feature I wish the Zoom H4 had because again of convenience. On 09/01/2011, at 2:01 PM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hello Dane > > On 8 Jan 2011, at 01:29, Dane Trethowan wrote: > >> ? Yes, the buttons on the side of the machine took me a little while to get used to, quite small but then again when I look at the machine? Well I don't think they had all that much choice unless they wanted to make the machine larger. >> > As I expected, Gordon is now fine with the buttons. The only thing that threw him for a while was the spring-loaded power switch at the bottom of the group. > >> ? I take your point about the AGC, takes a while to recover. the H4 has an AGC which is fully adjustable, that is to say you can set recovery time as well as a whole host of other features but again the crucial point with the H4 in my view is time! you need time to go through the menu system to set all this stuff and possibly extra time to do some monitoring to find out whether its the exact sort of AGC you want for your environment but for me no complaints, you expect these features on a professional recorder as the H4 is but I still prefer the convenience of time saving which the H1 provides . >> > We gave up on the AGC to be honest. It caused us more problems than it solved. So it's just manual use for us. > >> ? The sound from the audio output is amongst the best I've heard from a portable device, even more so given that the H1 runs on such a low voltage. >> > The internal speaker is only really any good as a temporary monitor. But if you put this thing in front of a device that has good sound, I agree with you; it's pretty darn good. > >> ? Note, by default the Input volume is set at 50% which should be good enough for most environments, you may need to turn it down to say 30 for line in sources, possibly lower for louder sources and probably a bit higher for making recordings when speaking to the microphones. >> > We will be using it like that on Monday. Gordon has a meeting at work which will require him to use his Mac for other purposes, hooked up to a 30 inch cinema display monitor.. So obviously he won't be able to take notes on it. Therefore, it's a mix between the Zoom to record the meeting using our external stereo microphone, and the most reliable technology in the world; a pen and paper. I will be present to play secretaries for him. > > This is a very important meeting and it could have consequences that could affect people involved, (though thankfully, not us), for years to come. So we want to be absolutely sure that there is a complete record of the meeting. > > Never, when I ordered the Zoom, did I expect that it would have such an important part to play so soon after it arrived. We can only hope that it doesn't let us down. > >> ? There is no way to find out the status of the battery if you can't see the screen so I do the old time thing, battery life is about 10 hours so I work around that. >> > Actually, what is more of a problem for a blind person seems to be knowing when the machine is powered off. Gordon has found a work-around but it takes a bit of fiddling around. > >> ? My H1 came with a 2GB card which I thought was standard? Maybe not. >> > There are 3 versions; 1 with the 2GB card. Another with a 512mB card and the third with no card at all. > > Lynne > > > _______________________________________________ > > The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free > > To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: > http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html > From grtdane at internode.on.net Sun Jan 9 06:45:45 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2011 17:45:45 +1100 Subject: Zoom! Got It Working ... But! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6B3EA2CD-9879-4B7E-A85A-B475C85CDE7E@internode.on.net> If you did choose to use MP3 I'm sure you'd get far better results recording in wave first and then converting to MP3 or whatever, that's what the computer's for. On 09/01/2011, at 2:05 PM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hello Sarah > > On 8 Jan 2011, at 20:57, Sarah Alawami wrote: > >> ? Be aware though that you have to be careful ifyou wan tot let's say record at mp3 4800khz and at 320kbps. all the choices there rap which makes thing s a bit tricky. Also 2 gigs equals about 2 hours in 24 bit 44.1khz wav. >> > That's why I ordered the accessory pack with a 32GB card. May as well go for something workable. > > Gordon is going to need broadcast quality so MP3 is out. We never use MP3 anywhere actually. > > Lynne > > > _______________________________________________ > > The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free > > To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: > http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html > From grtdane at internode.on.net Sun Jan 9 06:47:44 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2011 17:47:44 +1100 Subject: Zoom! Got It Working ... But! In-Reply-To: <6BB906E3-7D4F-49FC-94B3-F41788E7A86B@gmail.com> References: <6BB906E3-7D4F-49FC-94B3-F41788E7A86B@gmail.com> Message-ID: With a 32GB card I have to ask why anyone would bother with anything other than wave? Just press the back button to go into the top quality 96K format, even better than MP3 320K and the encoder on the Zoom ain't the best anyway. On 09/01/2011, at 5:01 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote: > OH really? I record everything at mp3 320kbps. that is higher then cd quality. but wav works. So you shold get around 32 hours of recording if I do my math right. lol! > On Jan 8, 2011, at 7:05 PM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > >> Hello Sarah >> >> On 8 Jan 2011, at 20:57, Sarah Alawami wrote: >> >>> ? Be aware though that you have to be careful ifyou wan tot let's say record at mp3 4800khz and at 320kbps. all the choices there rap which makes thing s a bit tricky. Also 2 gigs equals about 2 hours in 24 bit 44.1khz wav. >>> >> That's why I ordered the accessory pack with a 32GB card. May as well go for something workable. >> >> Gordon is going to need broadcast quality so MP3 is out. We never use MP3 anywhere actually. >> >> Lynne >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free >> >> To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: >> http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html >> > > _______________________________________________ > > The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free > > To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: > http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html > From grtdane at internode.on.net Sun Jan 9 06:52:02 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2011 17:52:02 +1100 Subject: Zoom H1 Message-ID: <1869715F-58B8-4F9A-9A37-B1C95107533C@internode.on.net> Hope the recordings go well, I'm curious as to what will happen if a recording goes on longer than 3 hours, I did read somewhere that the maximum size of one of these wave files is 2GB which is about 3 hours in length so will the Zoom start recording to a new file automatically or will it just stop and expect you to start recording to a new file. I've not recorded long enough to find this out, did a 10 hour recording in MP3 format and I certainly got 10 hours before the battery died . I don't as yet have a 32GB card as I've had trouble finding where I can get one, can't even get an accessaries pack here which I did want with my recorder. From lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk Sun Jan 9 11:51:06 2011 From: lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2011 11:51:06 +0000 Subject: Network Upgrade Finally Completed Message-ID: <96057396-415C-471F-927F-C923F02F46A7@tft-bbs.co.uk> Hello everybody Well, the installation of our new leased line took a little longer than we expected, because we encountered a few complications. Unfortunately, we encountered the usual problem with the engineer; he assumed that, as a visually impaired person, Gordon must be a dummy, and everything has to be done by others. So, for whatever reason, the engineer wouldn't listen to what Gordon was trying to explain to him, and because of that, he couldn't get things to work because he had plugs in the wrong places, and all sorts of things. he eventually asked Gordon "Do you really know how to do this?". Gordon then said "Yes, of course I do. I did the wiring in the first place". So the engineer finally got the message, and stood back and allowed Gordon to handle the routing and connectivity of the extranet cables. Once that happened, all the nasty flashing lights went away and our network and phone lines came back up. Anyway, once the SDSL2+ signal goes live, we will start out on the road down the high speed super-highway. We apologise again for any inconvenience the outage cause you. But this work simply had to be done. All mail intended for our server is currently being delivered via the secondary MX relay, so that should start flowing again shortly. Lynne From lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk Sun Jan 9 12:53:04 2011 From: lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2011 12:53:04 +0000 Subject: Zoom! Got It Working ... But! In-Reply-To: <646D018C-F114-4145-A77C-A4AF399B2D58@gmail.com> References: <281BB00C-C90E-430F-9B46-03446BE437DD@internode.on.net> <34AEBCD7-7504-402F-8C34-737606DF59F5@tft-bbs.co.uk> <646D018C-F114-4145-A77C-A4AF399B2D58@gmail.com> Message-ID: <36CE8C96-6639-4D43-992B-7C1B9D8E0850@tft-bbs.co.uk> Hello Sarah On 9 Jan 2011, at 06:01, Sarah Alawami wrote: > Hey what was that work around? The only way is to have some sort of audio device like an ear piece handy. If the Zoom is turned on, you'll be able to hear yourself through the earpiece or whatever you use. As I said, a bit fiddly and quite crude; but it works. Lynne From lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk Sun Jan 9 12:55:01 2011 From: lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2011 12:55:01 +0000 Subject: Zoom! Got It Working ... But! In-Reply-To: References: <281BB00C-C90E-430F-9B46-03446BE437DD@internode.on.net> <34AEBCD7-7504-402F-8C34-737606DF59F5@tft-bbs.co.uk> Message-ID: <4ADAAC43-5563-41BF-8260-72EC48675E24@tft-bbs.co.uk> Hello Dane yes; we know how to do it. That wasn't the issue. The issue was actually knowing when it was powered off. As you say just monitor the output. Lynne On 9 Jan 2011, at 06:44, Dane Trethowan wrote: > I've had no trouble powering on and off the Zoom, to power on hold the spring loaded on/off/lock switch for 4 seconds and release, power is then on and as has been observed, you can check by monitoring the output. > > To switch power off, hold spring loaded power lever for 2 seconds, power is switched off though the H1 still takes a little current to maintain date and time settings. > > Speaker isn't anything to write home about however it was never meant to be, just a "reference"speaker and that's a feature I wish the Zoom H4 had because again of convenience. > > > On 09/01/2011, at 2:01 PM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > >> Hello Dane >> >> On 8 Jan 2011, at 01:29, Dane Trethowan wrote: >> >>> ? Yes, the buttons on the side of the machine took me a little while to get used to, quite small but then again when I look at the machine? Well I don't think they had all that much choice unless they wanted to make the machine larger. >>> >> As I expected, Gordon is now fine with the buttons. The only thing that threw him for a while was the spring-loaded power switch at the bottom of the group. >> >>> ? I take your point about the AGC, takes a while to recover. the H4 has an AGC which is fully adjustable, that is to say you can set recovery time as well as a whole host of other features but again the crucial point with the H4 in my view is time! you need time to go through the menu system to set all this stuff and possibly extra time to do some monitoring to find out whether its the exact sort of AGC you want for your environment but for me no complaints, you expect these features on a professional recorder as the H4 is but I still prefer the convenience of time saving which the H1 provides . >>> >> We gave up on the AGC to be honest. It caused us more problems than it solved. So it's just manual use for us. >> >>> ? The sound from the audio output is amongst the best I've heard from a portable device, even more so given that the H1 runs on such a low voltage. >>> >> The internal speaker is only really any good as a temporary monitor. But if you put this thing in front of a device that has good sound, I agree with you; it's pretty darn good. >> >>> ? Note, by default the Input volume is set at 50% which should be good enough for most environments, you may need to turn it down to say 30 for line in sources, possibly lower for louder sources and probably a bit higher for making recordings when speaking to the microphones. >>> >> We will be using it like that on Monday. Gordon has a meeting at work which will require him to use his Mac for other purposes, hooked up to a 30 inch cinema display monitor.. So obviously he won't be able to take notes on it. Therefore, it's a mix between the Zoom to record the meeting using our external stereo microphone, and the most reliable technology in the world; a pen and paper. I will be present to play secretaries for him. >> >> This is a very important meeting and it could have consequences that could affect people involved, (though thankfully, not us), for years to come. So we want to be absolutely sure that there is a complete record of the meeting. >> >> Never, when I ordered the Zoom, did I expect that it would have such an important part to play so soon after it arrived. We can only hope that it doesn't let us down. >> >>> ? There is no way to find out the status of the battery if you can't see the screen so I do the old time thing, battery life is about 10 hours so I work around that. >>> >> Actually, what is more of a problem for a blind person seems to be knowing when the machine is powered off. Gordon has found a work-around but it takes a bit of fiddling around. >> >>> ? My H1 came with a 2GB card which I thought was standard? Maybe not. >>> >> There are 3 versions; 1 with the 2GB card. Another with a 512mB card and the third with no card at all. >> >> Lynne >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free >> >> To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: >> http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html >> > > _______________________________________________ > > The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free > > To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: > http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html > From lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk Sun Jan 9 13:10:34 2011 From: lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2011 13:10:34 +0000 Subject: Zoom! Got It Working ... But! In-Reply-To: <6B3EA2CD-9879-4B7E-A85A-B475C85CDE7E@internode.on.net> References: <6B3EA2CD-9879-4B7E-A85A-B475C85CDE7E@internode.on.net> Message-ID: <8B5D6D23-AD16-42DC-9809-9E9C8D770EE2@tft-bbs.co.uk> Hello Dane On 9 Jan 2011, at 06:45, Dane Trethowan wrote: > ? If you did choose to use MP3 I'm sure you'd get far better results recording in wave first and then converting to MP3 or whatever, that's what the computer's for. > Believe it or not, we did actually know that. :) We always do recordings, even on the Mac itself, in wave format. Then they can be easily edited if need be; and then converted. AS I said we never use MP3 at all. We find that we get better quality relative to sample rate, bit rate and file size, if we use M4A or M4B. Lynne From lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk Sun Jan 9 13:14:26 2011 From: lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2011 13:14:26 +0000 Subject: Zoom! Got It Working ... But! In-Reply-To: References: <6BB906E3-7D4F-49FC-94B3-F41788E7A86B@gmail.com> Message-ID: <34008657-63BE-4D32-BFE0-F6F4E6C1AF91@tft-bbs.co.uk> Hello Dane On 9 Jan 2011, at 06:47, Dane Trethowan wrote: > With a 32GB card I have to ask why anyone would bother with anything other than wave? Just press the back button to go into the top quality 96K format, even better than MP3 320K and the encoder on the Zoom ain't the best anyway. > I'm confused Dane. What makes you think we are going to use Mp3 or something? Yes, the plan is to go for highest quality we can get. But that said, I would think you'd lose some of that quality when converting on the computer for storage or distribution. We haven't yet figured out quite how to modify the format. By that, I mean without me being there to monitor what is happening on screen. I also need to figure out how you set date and time. Lynne From grtdane at internode.on.net Sun Jan 9 18:19:17 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2011 05:19:17 +1100 Subject: Zoom! Got It Working ... But! In-Reply-To: <4ADAAC43-5563-41BF-8260-72EC48675E24@tft-bbs.co.uk> References: <281BB00C-C90E-430F-9B46-03446BE437DD@internode.on.net> <34AEBCD7-7504-402F-8C34-737606DF59F5@tft-bbs.co.uk> <4ADAAC43-5563-41BF-8260-72EC48675E24@tft-bbs.co.uk> Message-ID: <05548C14-F7F7-41A5-B4C2-17205EDA48E9@internode.on.net> The full-proof method is the one I outlined earlier with the induction amp, that way you know exactly what the recorder's doing everything from recording to power on/off, formatting SD memory cards, deleting files and so on, only cost me $25.00, just so handy to have for all sorts of things. On 09/01/2011, at 11:55 PM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hello Dane > > yes; we know how to do it. That wasn't the issue. > > The issue was actually knowing when it was powered off. As you say just monitor the output. > > Lynne > > On 9 Jan 2011, at 06:44, Dane Trethowan wrote: > >> I've had no trouble powering on and off the Zoom, to power on hold the spring loaded on/off/lock switch for 4 seconds and release, power is then on and as has been observed, you can check by monitoring the output. >> >> To switch power off, hold spring loaded power lever for 2 seconds, power is switched off though the H1 still takes a little current to maintain date and time settings. >> >> Speaker isn't anything to write home about however it was never meant to be, just a "reference"speaker and that's a feature I wish the Zoom H4 had because again of convenience. >> >> >> On 09/01/2011, at 2:01 PM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: >> >>> Hello Dane >>> >>> On 8 Jan 2011, at 01:29, Dane Trethowan wrote: >>> >>>> ? Yes, the buttons on the side of the machine took me a little while to get used to, quite small but then again when I look at the machine? Well I don't think they had all that much choice unless they wanted to make the machine larger. >>>> >>> As I expected, Gordon is now fine with the buttons. The only thing that threw him for a while was the spring-loaded power switch at the bottom of the group. >>> >>>> ? I take your point about the AGC, takes a while to recover. the H4 has an AGC which is fully adjustable, that is to say you can set recovery time as well as a whole host of other features but again the crucial point with the H4 in my view is time! you need time to go through the menu system to set all this stuff and possibly extra time to do some monitoring to find out whether its the exact sort of AGC you want for your environment but for me no complaints, you expect these features on a professional recorder as the H4 is but I still prefer the convenience of time saving which the H1 provides . >>>> >>> We gave up on the AGC to be honest. It caused us more problems than it solved. So it's just manual use for us. >>> >>>> ? The sound from the audio output is amongst the best I've heard from a portable device, even more so given that the H1 runs on such a low voltage. >>>> >>> The internal speaker is only really any good as a temporary monitor. But if you put this thing in front of a device that has good sound, I agree with you; it's pretty darn good. >>> >>>> ? Note, by default the Input volume is set at 50% which should be good enough for most environments, you may need to turn it down to say 30 for line in sources, possibly lower for louder sources and probably a bit higher for making recordings when speaking to the microphones. >>>> >>> We will be using it like that on Monday. Gordon has a meeting at work which will require him to use his Mac for other purposes, hooked up to a 30 inch cinema display monitor.. So obviously he won't be able to take notes on it. Therefore, it's a mix between the Zoom to record the meeting using our external stereo microphone, and the most reliable technology in the world; a pen and paper. I will be present to play secretaries for him. >>> >>> This is a very important meeting and it could have consequences that could affect people involved, (though thankfully, not us), for years to come. So we want to be absolutely sure that there is a complete record of the meeting. >>> >>> Never, when I ordered the Zoom, did I expect that it would have such an important part to play so soon after it arrived. We can only hope that it doesn't let us down. >>> >>>> ? There is no way to find out the status of the battery if you can't see the screen so I do the old time thing, battery life is about 10 hours so I work around that. >>>> >>> Actually, what is more of a problem for a blind person seems to be knowing when the machine is powered off. Gordon has found a work-around but it takes a bit of fiddling around. >>> >>>> ? My H1 came with a 2GB card which I thought was standard? Maybe not. >>>> >>> There are 3 versions; 1 with the 2GB card. Another with a 512mB card and the third with no card at all. >>> >>> Lynne >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free >>> >>> To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: >>> http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free >> >> To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: >> http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html >> > > _______________________________________________ > > The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free > > To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: > http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html > From lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk Sun Jan 9 18:45:13 2011 From: lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2011 18:45:13 +0000 Subject: Zoom! Got It Working ... But! In-Reply-To: <05548C14-F7F7-41A5-B4C2-17205EDA48E9@internode.on.net> References: <281BB00C-C90E-430F-9B46-03446BE437DD@internode.on.net> <34AEBCD7-7504-402F-8C34-737606DF59F5@tft-bbs.co.uk> <4ADAAC43-5563-41BF-8260-72EC48675E24@tft-bbs.co.uk> <05548C14-F7F7-41A5-B4C2-17205EDA48E9@internode.on.net> Message-ID: <92D1C5AA-BEDC-4EEB-B77A-2E27D56AE027@tft-bbs.co.uk> Hello Dane On 9 Jan 2011, at 18:19, Dane Trethowan wrote: > ? The full-proof method is the one I outlined earlier with the induction amp, that way you know exactly what the recorder's doing everything from recording to power on/off, formatting SD memory cards, deleting files and so on, only cost me $25.00, just so handy to have for all sorts of things. > But if that isn't possible, you need to find alternatives. Lynne From grtdane at internode.on.net Sun Jan 9 23:24:56 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2011 10:24:56 +1100 Subject: Zoom! Got It Working ... But! In-Reply-To: <92D1C5AA-BEDC-4EEB-B77A-2E27D56AE027@tft-bbs.co.uk> References: <281BB00C-C90E-430F-9B46-03446BE437DD@internode.on.net> <34AEBCD7-7504-402F-8C34-737606DF59F5@tft-bbs.co.uk> <4ADAAC43-5563-41BF-8260-72EC48675E24@tft-bbs.co.uk> <05548C14-F7F7-41A5-B4C2-17205EDA48E9@internode.on.net> <92D1C5AA-BEDC-4EEB-B77A-2E27D56AE027@tft-bbs.co.uk> Message-ID: Why wouldn't that be possible? All it takes is for a person to go down to a hearing aid accessaries shop, you don't even need hearing aids for these things. On 10/01/2011, at 5:45 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hello Dane > > On 9 Jan 2011, at 18:19, Dane Trethowan wrote: > >> ? The full-proof method is the one I outlined earlier with the induction amp, that way you know exactly what the recorder's doing everything from recording to power on/off, formatting SD memory cards, deleting files and so on, only cost me $25.00, just so handy to have for all sorts of things. >> > But if that isn't possible, you need to find alternatives. > > Lynne > > _______________________________________________ > > The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free > > To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: > http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html > From marrie12 at gmail.com Mon Jan 10 00:01:07 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2011 16:01:07 -0800 Subject: Zoom! Got It Working ... But! In-Reply-To: References: <281BB00C-C90E-430F-9B46-03446BE437DD@internode.on.net> <34AEBCD7-7504-402F-8C34-737606DF59F5@tft-bbs.co.uk> <4ADAAC43-5563-41BF-8260-72EC48675E24@tft-bbs.co.uk> <05548C14-F7F7-41A5-B4C2-17205EDA48E9@internode.on.net> <92D1C5AA-BEDC-4EEB-B77A-2E27D56AE027@tft-bbs.co.uk> Message-ID: <78858989-CC7D-4133-8194-69109D4D4B62@gmail.com> I use the radio shck amp and a phone choil. works all the time for me and tha'ts when I know if a hd is damaged. Never tried it on flash. On Jan 9, 2011, at 3:24 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote: > Why wouldn't that be possible? All it takes is for a person to go down to a hearing aid accessaries shop, you don't even need hearing aids for these things. > > > On 10/01/2011, at 5:45 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > >> Hello Dane >> >> On 9 Jan 2011, at 18:19, Dane Trethowan wrote: >> >>> ? The full-proof method is the one I outlined earlier with the induction amp, that way you know exactly what the recorder's doing everything from recording to power on/off, formatting SD memory cards, deleting files and so on, only cost me $25.00, just so handy to have for all sorts of things. >>> >> But if that isn't possible, you need to find alternatives. >> >> Lynne >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free >> >> To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: >> http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html >> > > _______________________________________________ > > The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free > > To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: > http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html > From marrie12 at gmail.com Mon Jan 10 00:15:15 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2011 16:15:15 -0800 Subject: Obama administration moves forward with unique internet ID for all Americans Message-ID: <48BD17D3-DE25-4E6B-9423-F927461AA5AD@gmail.com> Is this a good idea? can this be compromised? read more: http://engt.co/gf8Vu2 From lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk Mon Jan 10 00:23:54 2011 From: lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2011 00:23:54 +0000 Subject: Zoom! Got It Working ... But! In-Reply-To: <78858989-CC7D-4133-8194-69109D4D4B62@gmail.com> References: <281BB00C-C90E-430F-9B46-03446BE437DD@internode.on.net> <34AEBCD7-7504-402F-8C34-737606DF59F5@tft-bbs.co.uk> <4ADAAC43-5563-41BF-8260-72EC48675E24@tft-bbs.co.uk> <05548C14-F7F7-41A5-B4C2-17205EDA48E9@internode.on.net> <92D1C5AA-BEDC-4EEB-B77A-2E27D56AE027@tft-bbs.co.uk> <78858989-CC7D-4133-8194-69109D4D4B62@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hello Sarah & Dane > Dane wrote: >> ? Why wouldn't that be possible? All it takes is for a person to go down to a hearing aid accessaries shop, you don't even need hearing aids for these things. Dane, you're not taking into account different circumstances. Over here in the UK, hearing instrument accessory shops are non-existent in your average town and city, on including ours. Besides which, your situations are obviously very different to ours. You Dane are a blind individual living alone. You, Sarah, I don't know about your situation; and it's really none of my business. Gordon, on the other hand, lives in a world where he is surrounded by people who have vision. If he's not sure about something, all he has to do is ask and he'll be given help. Besides which, what a waste of money; spending quids on amps just to be able to tell if something is turned of. >> Lynne From grtdane at internode.on.net Mon Jan 10 00:42:54 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2011 11:42:54 +1100 Subject: Zoom! Got It Working ... But! In-Reply-To: References: <281BB00C-C90E-430F-9B46-03446BE437DD@internode.on.net> <34AEBCD7-7504-402F-8C34-737606DF59F5@tft-bbs.co.uk> <4ADAAC43-5563-41BF-8260-72EC48675E24@tft-bbs.co.uk> <05548C14-F7F7-41A5-B4C2-17205EDA48E9@internode.on.net> <92D1C5AA-BEDC-4EEB-B77A-2E27D56AE027@tft-bbs.co.uk> <78858989-CC7D-4133-8194-69109D4D4B62@gmail.com> Message-ID: If I can buy one then so can you , I bought it online from a site called word of mouth, I'm sure there are plenty of other places which stock them, Independent Living Aids would be my next try. On 10/01/2011, at 11:23 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hello Sarah & Dane >> Dane wrote: > >>> ? Why wouldn't that be possible? All it takes is for a person to go down to a hearing aid accessaries shop, you don't even need hearing aids for these things. > > Dane, you're not taking into account different circumstances. Over here in the UK, hearing instrument accessory shops are non-existent in your average town and city, on > including ours. > > Besides which, your situations are obviously very different to ours. You Dane are a blind individual living alone. You, Sarah, I don't know about your situation; and it's really none of my business. > > Gordon, on the other hand, lives in a world where he is surrounded by people who have vision. If he's not sure about something, all he has to do is ask and he'll be given help. > > Besides which, what a waste of money; spending quids on amps just to be able to tell if something is turned of. > >>> Lynne > > _______________________________________________ > > The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free > > To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: > http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html > From lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk Mon Jan 10 01:54:12 2011 From: lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2011 01:54:12 +0000 Subject: Zoom! Got It Working ... But! In-Reply-To: References: <281BB00C-C90E-430F-9B46-03446BE437DD@internode.on.net> <34AEBCD7-7504-402F-8C34-737606DF59F5@tft-bbs.co.uk> <4ADAAC43-5563-41BF-8260-72EC48675E24@tft-bbs.co.uk> <05548C14-F7F7-41A5-B4C2-17205EDA48E9@internode.on.net> <92D1C5AA-BEDC-4EEB-B77A-2E27D56AE027@tft-bbs.co.uk> <78858989-CC7D-4133-8194-69109D4D4B62@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hello Dane On 10 Jan 2011, at 00:42, Dane Trethowan wrote: > ? If I can buy one then so can you , I bought it online from a site called word of mouth, I'm sure there are plenty of other places which stock them, Independent Living Aids would be my next try. > > Possibly; but other than listening to the induction noises that electronic equipment makes, why would I want t buy one of those things? Just because something suits one person that doesn't mean it suits everybody's needs. To be perfectly honest we have far more important uses for our money at the moment than buying boxes to listen to beeps, pops and crackles. Gordon will manage perfectly alright I'm sure. What we do need to figure out is how the heck you modify the format and sample rate, then save it. I don't think the default is the highest quality is it? How does a push-down switch change the format?Is it one of those processes you have to repeat over and over? And finally how the heck do you format a SD card using this device? Bear in mind that we've only had the thing since Friday and we haven't had a lot of tie over the weekend to sit and play with it. Too much going on. Lynne From grtdane at internode.on.net Mon Jan 10 02:33:27 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2011 13:33:27 +1100 Subject: Zoom! Got It Working ... But! In-Reply-To: References: <281BB00C-C90E-430F-9B46-03446BE437DD@internode.on.net> <34AEBCD7-7504-402F-8C34-737606DF59F5@tft-bbs.co.uk> <4ADAAC43-5563-41BF-8260-72EC48675E24@tft-bbs.co.uk> <05548C14-F7F7-41A5-B4C2-17205EDA48E9@internode.on.net> <92D1C5AA-BEDC-4EEB-B77A-2E27D56AE027@tft-bbs.co.uk> <78858989-CC7D-4133-8194-69109D4D4B62@gmail.com> Message-ID: Buy what you like! , wasn't thinking of you so much but was thinking of Gordon given how handy these things are. They're not meant to put near computers or Zoom H1 recorders no, they're meant for the amplification of induction loops in buildings, the amplification of telephones, that sort of thing. Just checked my local electronics store and they sell 2 versions, one of which is designed to strap to the ear piece of a telephone receiver and the other sounds similar to the one I have, its a speaker with a magnetic pickup plugging into it by the looks of things, you put the pickup near the source you wish to amplify or monitor. On 10/01/2011, at 12:54 PM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hello Dane > > On 10 Jan 2011, at 00:42, Dane Trethowan wrote: > >> ? If I can buy one then so can you , I bought it online from a site called word of mouth, I'm sure there are plenty of other places which stock them, Independent Living Aids would be my next try. >> >> Possibly; but other than listening to the induction noises that electronic equipment makes, why would I want t buy one of those things? > > Just because something suits one person that doesn't mean it suits everybody's needs. To be perfectly honest we have far more important uses for our money at the moment than buying boxes to listen to beeps, pops and crackles. > Gordon will manage perfectly alright I'm sure. > > What we do need to figure out is how the heck you modify the format and sample rate, then save it. I don't think the default is the highest quality is it? > > How does a push-down switch change the format?Is it one of those processes you have to repeat over and over? And finally how the heck do you format a SD card using this device? > > Bear in mind that we've only had the thing since Friday and we haven't had a lot of tie over the weekend to sit and play with it. Too much going on. > > Lynne > > _______________________________________________ > > The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free > > To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: > http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html > From lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk Mon Jan 10 03:15:38 2011 From: lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2011 03:15:38 +0000 Subject: Zoom! Got It Working ... But! In-Reply-To: References: <281BB00C-C90E-430F-9B46-03446BE437DD@internode.on.net> <34AEBCD7-7504-402F-8C34-737606DF59F5@tft-bbs.co.uk> <4ADAAC43-5563-41BF-8260-72EC48675E24@tft-bbs.co.uk> <05548C14-F7F7-41A5-B4C2-17205EDA48E9@internode.on.net> <92D1C5AA-BEDC-4EEB-B77A-2E27D56AE027@tft-bbs.co.uk> <78858989-CC7D-4133-8194-69109D4D4B62@gmail.com> Message-ID: <59F23B95-14F0-4D18-86DC-42E502BC3412@tft-bbs.co.uk> Hello Dane Look; this really isn't an issue. If he wanted one, he could have one. But Gordon really isn't bothered. To be perfectly truthful he's got more important things on his plate at the moment than induction loops and amplifiers. I know you mean well, but just drop it, OK. Lynne From marrie12 at gmail.com Mon Jan 10 03:17:16 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2011 19:17:16 -0800 Subject: Zoom! Got It Working ... But! In-Reply-To: References: <281BB00C-C90E-430F-9B46-03446BE437DD@internode.on.net> <34AEBCD7-7504-402F-8C34-737606DF59F5@tft-bbs.co.uk> <4ADAAC43-5563-41BF-8260-72EC48675E24@tft-bbs.co.uk> <05548C14-F7F7-41A5-B4C2-17205EDA48E9@internode.on.net> <92D1C5AA-BEDC-4EEB-B77A-2E27D56AE027@tft-bbs.co.uk> <78858989-CC7D-4133-8194-69109D4D4B62@gmail.com> Message-ID: <90DF4981-E003-40EB-A519-FD5BF03BA38B@gmail.com> Actually I used a coil and amp to examine a broken hard drive while I was trying in vain to fix it. I also used it to see if I was really recording on my computer. the data stream sound different. it's a rhythm thrum not a whir as normal. You can also stick it to a phone and stick the other end in to a recorder and tape someone giving you a recipe. I've done that as well. and once I heard electrical interference where I should not have and the hotel staff found a short circuit in the same place. I wonder if the choil and amp would pick up recording flash data. I could not get it to work but you never know. S On Jan 9, 2011, at 4:23 PM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hello Sarah & Dane >> Dane wrote: > >>> ? Why wouldn't that be possible? All it takes is for a person to go down to a hearing aid accessaries shop, you don't even need hearing aids for these things. > > Dane, you're not taking into account different circumstances. Over here in the UK, hearing instrument accessory shops are non-existent in your average town and city, on > including ours. > > Besides which, your situations are obviously very different to ours. You Dane are a blind individual living alone. You, Sarah, I don't know about your situation; and it's really none of my business. > > Gordon, on the other hand, lives in a world where he is surrounded by people who have vision. If he's not sure about something, all he has to do is ask and he'll be given help. > > Besides which, what a waste of money; spending quids on amps just to be able to tell if something is turned of. > >>> Lynne > > _______________________________________________ > > The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free > > To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: > http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html > From grtdane at internode.on.net Mon Jan 10 03:53:28 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2011 14:53:28 +1100 Subject: Zoom! Got It Working ... But! In-Reply-To: <59F23B95-14F0-4D18-86DC-42E502BC3412@tft-bbs.co.uk> References: <281BB00C-C90E-430F-9B46-03446BE437DD@internode.on.net> <34AEBCD7-7504-402F-8C34-737606DF59F5@tft-bbs.co.uk> <4ADAAC43-5563-41BF-8260-72EC48675E24@tft-bbs.co.uk> <05548C14-F7F7-41A5-B4C2-17205EDA48E9@internode.on.net> <92D1C5AA-BEDC-4EEB-B77A-2E27D56AE027@tft-bbs.co.uk> <78858989-CC7D-4133-8194-69109D4D4B62@gmail.com> <59F23B95-14F0-4D18-86DC-42E502BC3412@tft-bbs.co.uk> Message-ID: <884195A5-C2F5-4348-865D-BE4700B294DA@internode.on.net> As you say, whatever floats your boat, I've had one of these amps of one kind or another for 23 years and it certainly makes life a lot easier, whether you have perfect hearing or whether you don't, that's not an issue in this discussion. For example, Gordon could have saved himself a lot of time working out whether the Zoom was powered on or off but anyway to each their own. On 10/01/2011, at 2:15 PM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hello Dane > > Look; this really isn't an issue. If he wanted one, he could have one. But Gordon really isn't bothered. To be perfectly truthful he's got more important things on his plate at the moment than induction loops and amplifiers. I know you mean well, but just drop it, OK. > > Lynne > > _______________________________________________ > > The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free > > To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: > http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html > From grtdane at internode.on.net Mon Jan 10 03:55:41 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2011 14:55:41 +1100 Subject: Zoom! Got It Working ... But! In-Reply-To: <90DF4981-E003-40EB-A519-FD5BF03BA38B@gmail.com> References: <281BB00C-C90E-430F-9B46-03446BE437DD@internode.on.net> <34AEBCD7-7504-402F-8C34-737606DF59F5@tft-bbs.co.uk> <4ADAAC43-5563-41BF-8260-72EC48675E24@tft-bbs.co.uk> <05548C14-F7F7-41A5-B4C2-17205EDA48E9@internode.on.net> <92D1C5AA-BEDC-4EEB-B77A-2E27D56AE027@tft-bbs.co.uk> <78858989-CC7D-4133-8194-69109D4D4B62@gmail.com> <90DF4981-E003-40EB-A519-FD5BF03BA38B@gmail.com> Message-ID: I appreciate your points Sarah but one really has to experience these things to truly and accurately appreciate how useful they can be for all sorts of things as you rightly point out below. I used to use mine even when travelling by bus, I knew when I was passing my Nanna's house and I could tell the driver when to stop, don't know what it was, perhaps a street light timer or something but there was something just before we reached my Nanna's house that gave a very strong magnetic field. On 10/01/2011, at 2:17 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote: > Actually I used a coil and amp to examine a broken hard drive while I was trying in vain to fix it. I also used it to see if I was really recording on my computer. the data stream sound different. it's a rhythm thrum not a whir as normal. You can also stick it to a phone and stick the other end in to a recorder and tape someone giving you a recipe. I've done that as well. and once I heard electrical interference where I should not have and the hotel staff found a short circuit in the same place. I wonder if the choil and amp would pick up recording flash data. I could not get it to work but you never know. > > S > On Jan 9, 2011, at 4:23 PM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > >> Hello Sarah & Dane >>> Dane wrote: >> >>>> ? Why wouldn't that be possible? All it takes is for a person to go down to a hearing aid accessaries shop, you don't even need hearing aids for these things. >> >> Dane, you're not taking into account different circumstances. Over here in the UK, hearing instrument accessory shops are non-existent in your average town and city, on >> including ours. >> >> Besides which, your situations are obviously very different to ours. You Dane are a blind individual living alone. You, Sarah, I don't know about your situation; and it's really none of my business. >> >> Gordon, on the other hand, lives in a world where he is surrounded by people who have vision. If he's not sure about something, all he has to do is ask and he'll be given help. >> >> Besides which, what a waste of money; spending quids on amps just to be able to tell if something is turned of. >> >>>> Lynne >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free >> >> To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: >> http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html >> > > _______________________________________________ > > The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free > > To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: > http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html > From marrie12 at gmail.com Mon Jan 10 04:55:56 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2011 20:55:56 -0800 Subject: Facebook shutting down March 15 (or April 1) Message-ID: <60BCA8DD-0A51-4885-9B59-212672144E74@gmail.com> Can we distinguish the fact between fact and roomer anymore? has the suciety become blind to such things? read more: http://bit.ly/hP23xC From marrie12 at gmail.com Mon Jan 10 06:15:35 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2011 22:15:35 -0800 Subject: Algorithms take control of Wall Street Message-ID: <5CC2D371-EA1A-4639-9B1E-9BC24BF10514@gmail.com> Is this a good move on wall street's part? read more: http://bit.ly/dQlc72 From marrie12 at gmail.com Mon Jan 10 06:33:05 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2011 22:33:05 -0800 Subject: Stopping illegal file sharing a low priority for DOJ? Message-ID: Is our government getting its priorities in the wrong place? read more: http://bit.ly/gE0Da2 From marrie12 at gmail.com Mon Jan 10 20:06:35 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2011 12:06:35 -0800 Subject: Microsoft looking into 'phantom' Windows Phone 7 data use Message-ID: Is the carrier phoning home? Now that companies get rid of unlimited plans will this extra data hurt the consumer? read more: http://bit.ly/hZ79Ne From marrie12 at gmail.com Mon Jan 10 20:07:15 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2011 12:07:15 -0800 Subject: Microsoft looking into 'phantom' Windows Phone 7 data use Message-ID: <4703F7B4-C5F4-42DD-8751-39D65ABEA5CF@gmail.com> Is the carrier phoning home? Now that companies get rid of unlimited plans will this extra data hurt the consumer? read more: http://bit.ly/hZ79Ne From marrie12 at gmail.com Mon Jan 10 22:52:49 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2011 14:52:49 -0800 Subject: New Cybersecurity Threats: Infected Mice and Attacking Keyboards Message-ID: Is this goign to be another way for people to steal data? read more: http://bit.ly/f7rS5b From martin at x.it.okstate.edu Tue Jan 11 20:56:57 2011 From: martin at x.it.okstate.edu (Martin McCormick) Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 14:56:57 -0600 Subject: Zoom! Got It Working ... But! Message-ID: <201101112056.p0BKuvYF039670@x.it.okstate.edu> When you want to copy the sound files from the Zoom to, let's say, a computer hard drive, will the computer USB port read your micro card while it is still inside the recorder? By the same token, can you remove the card and read it directly in one of those interfaces that have a USB port and will accept several types of cards? I have one of those readers, but I don't know if it will accept the small cards the Zoom uses. About all I have done with mine is copy some photos from Beverly's camera cards as a test and it did that beautifully. From lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk Tue Jan 11 21:03:34 2011 From: lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 21:03:34 +0000 Subject: Zoom! Got It Working ... But! In-Reply-To: <201101112056.p0BKuvYF039670@x.it.okstate.edu> References: <201101112056.p0BKuvYF039670@x.it.okstate.edu> Message-ID: <2087CC03-B089-461B-9EC3-0489D96BD6C2@tft-bbs.co.uk> Hello Martin On 11 Jan 2011, at 20:56, Martin McCormick wrote: > When you want to copy the sound files from the Zoom to, > let's say, a computer hard drive, will the computer USB port > read your micro card while it is still inside the recorder? > Yes, absolutely. > By the same token, can you remove the card and read it > directly in one of those interfaces that have a USB port and > will accept several types of cards? > Yes. It is a FAT16 formatted volume > I have one of those readers, but I don't know if it will > accept the small cards the Zoom uses. About all I have done with > mine is copy some photos from Beverly's camera cards as a test > and it did that beautifully. I believe the micro-SD card comes with an adapter so that you can put it into a card reader. Lynne\ From martin at x.it.okstate.edu Tue Jan 11 21:21:48 2011 From: martin at x.it.okstate.edu (Martin McCormick) Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 15:21:48 -0600 Subject: Induction Message-ID: <201101112121.p0BLLmTJ039876@x.it.okstate.edu> I think it is useful to have devices around that can receive wide-band electromagnetic noise whether or not you need them frequently. AM radios are really good at this and the telephone pickup coils and similar devices will go right down to audio frequencies. It is interesting that Dane mentioned induction loops in buildings as there was a report I heard quite some time ago about how those were very popular in Europe and the U.K. but not so here in the United States. Here, the common hearing augmentation device for public events and or buildings is a short-range FM radio system. They operate on unused television channels, the guard bands or "white space" between channels and on several frequencies in VHF and UHF that are set aside for unlicensed devices like these. Occasionally, I can hear classroom lectures or musical performances that are going on in the area from my house when there is something near enough. Induction loops require a simpler system for receiving the audio but electric motors, transformers and a number of other devices can really trash any sound by adding their own unique buzz or pops. I have used an AM or FM radio to see if certain devices are running by listening to the noise or lack of such coming out of the device. I have also built some microcontroller circuits in the past and had the usual number of bugs and glitches, many of which just cause the device to lock up and do nothing. A radio will let you listen to the whines, clicks and buzzes and tell if the device is running but locked up, running and maybe working, or not running at all. Some microcontrollers have a sleep mode that stops all operation including the clock so you hear silence if it went to sleep. I am not saying that this is the only solution, but it is really handy at times. From grtdane at internode.on.net Tue Jan 11 21:45:22 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 08:45:22 +1100 Subject: Zoom! Got It Working ... But! In-Reply-To: <201101112056.p0BKuvYF039670@x.it.okstate.edu> References: <201101112056.p0BKuvYF039670@x.it.okstate.edu> Message-ID: <99F1275D-CDCC-4153-A5C7-A5DA003A00B9@internode.on.net> Yes is the answer to both questions . On 12/01/2011, at 7:56 AM, Martin McCormick wrote: > When you want to copy the sound files from the Zoom to, > let's say, a computer hard drive, will the computer USB port > read your micro card while it is still inside the recorder? > > By the same token, can you remove the card and read it > directly in one of those interfaces that have a USB port and > will accept several types of cards? > > I have one of those readers, but I don't know if it will > accept the small cards the Zoom uses. About all I have done with > mine is copy some photos from Beverly's camera cards as a test > and it did that beautifully. > _______________________________________________ > > The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free > > To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: > http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html > From marrie12 at gmail.com Wed Jan 12 09:18:54 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 01:18:54 -0800 Subject: Microsoft opposes Apple trademark for 'App Store' Message-ID: <1B7FAC98-2FF5-481C-AD5C-24A917B5455B@gmail.com> Will apple try and debate this? read more: http://bit.ly/gB6jf6 From mstores at indiana.edu Wed Jan 12 16:56:15 2011 From: mstores at indiana.edu (Mary Stores) Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 11:56:15 -0500 Subject: Sakai Accessibility Working Group Teleconference, Thursday, 1/13 2pm Eastern Message-ID: <20110112115615.hmzk7xfy9s0ko4sg@webmail.iu.edu> Hi, This will be a one-time forward, because the following teleconference is biweekly starting tomorrow. Sakai is an online course management system used and developed by quite a few universities around the world. The Accessibility Working Group is devoted to making Sakai a more accessible learning management system; however, it would be nice to have more testers. The teleconference would give you a chance to see what is being done so far and how you could help. If you are interested, please consider attending tomorrow's teleconference. Also, the teleconference is chance for developers to understand accessibility issues related to Sakai. Thanks, Mary Hello, The first meeting of the Sakai Accessibility Working Group for the new year meets Thursday January 13th, 2011 at 2pm Eastern / 11am Pacific. We will be having bi-weekly meetings from here out. The focus of Thursday's meeting will be the Sakai 2.8 Accessibility Review (status, results, issues). If you are working on accessibility JIRA's and have questions, this meeting will be a good chance to get them answered. There is a good chance the person who carried out a given tool's review and reported an issue will be present on the call. We will have at least one native screen-reader user on the call as well. We are now using the Sakai001_Scheduled teleconference number. The connect information is: * Dial (812) 856-7060 * Enter Conference Number: 22348# * Conference PIN: 72524# Please feel free to attend! -Brian Richwine Some Handy URLs: Meeting Notes from Previous Accessibility WG Teleconferences: https://confluence.sakaiproject.org/display/2ACC/Sakai+Accessibility+Working+Group+Teleconference Sakai 2.8.0 Accessibility Review Page: http://confluence.sakaiproject.org/display/2ACC/Sakai+2.8+Accessibility+Review Sakai 2.x Jira Tickets Discussion page: http://confluence.sakaiproject.org/display/2ACC/Outstanding+Sakai+2.x+Accessibility+Jira+Tickets+Discussion Accessibility Working Group task list: http://confluence.sakaiproject.org/display/2ACC/Sakai+Accessibility+Working+Group%27s+Projects+Page Brian Richwine Adaptive Technology Support Specialist Adaptive Technology and Accessibility Centers Indiana University - Bloomington/Indianapolis http://iuadapts.indiana.edu (812) 856-4112 -------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ accessibility mailing list accessibility at collab.sakaiproject.org http://collab.sakaiproject.org/mailman/listinfo/accessibility TO UNSUBSCRIBE: send email to accessibility-unsubscribe at collab.sakaiproject.org with a subject of "unsubscribe" From martin at x.it.okstate.edu Wed Jan 12 17:07:49 2011 From: martin at x.it.okstate.edu (Martin McCormick) Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 11:07:49 -0600 Subject: Sakai Accessibility Working Group Teleconference, Thursday, 1/13 2pm Eastern Message-ID: <201101121707.p0CH7nu5048476@x.it.okstate.edu> Is that a toll-free call? Martin Mary Stores writes: > This will be a one-time forward, because the following teleconference is > biweekly starting tomorrow. Sakai is an online course management system > used and developed by quite a few universities around the world. The > Accessibility Working Group is devoted to making Sakai a more accessible > learning management system; however, it would be nice to have more > testers. > The teleconference would give you a chance to see what is being done so > far > and how you could help. If you are interested, please consider attending > tomorrow's teleconference. > > > > Also, the teleconference is chance for developers to understand > accessibility issues related to Sakai. > > > Thanks, > > Mary > > > Hello, > > > The first meeting of the Sakai Accessibility Working Group for the new > year > meets Thursday January 13th, 2011 at 2pm Eastern / 11am Pacific. We will > be > having bi-weekly meetings from here out. > > > > The focus of Thursday's meeting will be the Sakai 2.8 Accessibility Review > (status, results, issues). If you are working on accessibility JIRA's and > have questions, this meeting will be a good chance to get them answered. > There is a good chance the person who carried out a given tool's review > and > reported an issue will be present on the call. We will have at least one > native screen-reader user on the call as well. > > > > We are now using the Sakai001_Scheduled teleconference number. The connect > information is: > > > * Dial (812) 856-7060 > > * Enter Conference Number: 22348# > > * Conference PIN: 72524# > > Please feel free to attend! > -Brian Richwine > > Some Handy URLs: > > Meeting Notes from Previous Accessibility WG Teleconferences: > https://confluence.sakaiproject.org/display/2ACC/Sakai+Accessibility+Working+Group+Teleconference > > Sakai 2.8.0 Accessibility Review Page: > http://confluence.sakaiproject.org/display/2ACC/Sakai+2.8+Accessibility+Review > > > Sakai 2.x Jira Tickets Discussion page: > http://confluence.sakaiproject.org/ > display/2ACC/Outstanding+Sakai+2.x+Accessibility+Jira+Tickets+Discussion > > > Accessibility Working Group task list: > http://confluence.sakaiproject.org/display/2ACC/Sakai+Accessibility+Working+Group%27s+Projects+Page > > > Brian Richwine > Adaptive Technology Support Specialist > Adaptive Technology and Accessibility Centers > Indiana University - Bloomington/Indianapolis > http://iuadapts.indiana.edu > (812) 856-4112 > > > > _______________________________________________ > accessibility mailing list > accessibility at collab.sakaiproject.org > http://collab.sakaiproject.org/mailman/listinfo/accessibility > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE: send email to > accessibility-unsubscribe at collab.sakaiproject.org with a subject of > "unsubscribe" > > _______________________________________________ > > The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, > virus and worm-free > > To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated > web pages located at > http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group > since the 12th of April 2010, at: > http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html > > From mstores at indiana.edu Wed Jan 12 18:14:20 2011 From: mstores at indiana.edu (Mary Stores) Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 13:14:20 -0500 Subject: Sakai Accessibility Working Group Teleconference, Thursday, 1/13 2pm Eastern In-Reply-To: <201101121707.p0CH7nu5048476@x.it.okstate.edu> References: <201101121707.p0CH7nu5048476@x.it.okstate.edu> Message-ID: <20110112131420.kc68zjhp4c0884gc@webmail.iu.edu> Hello, Martin Unfortunately, it is not a toll free number. Sorry about that. Mary] Quoting Martin McCormick : > Is that a toll-free call? > > Martin > Mary Stores writes: >> This will be a one-time forward, because the following teleconference is >> biweekly starting tomorrow. Sakai is an online course management system >> used and developed by quite a few universities around the world. The >> Accessibility Working Group is devoted to making Sakai a more accessible >> learning management system; however, it would be nice to have more >> testers. >> The teleconference would give you a chance to see what is being done so >> far >> and how you could help. If you are interested, please consider attending >> tomorrow's teleconference. >> >> >> >> Also, the teleconference is chance for developers to understand >> accessibility issues related to Sakai. >> >> >> Thanks, >> >> Mary >> >> >> Hello, >> >> >> The first meeting of the Sakai Accessibility Working Group for the new >> year >> meets Thursday January 13th, 2011 at 2pm Eastern / 11am Pacific. We will >> be >> having bi-weekly meetings from here out. >> >> >> >> The focus of Thursday's meeting will be the Sakai 2.8 Accessibility Review >> (status, results, issues). If you are working on accessibility JIRA's and >> have questions, this meeting will be a good chance to get them answered. >> There is a good chance the person who carried out a given tool's review >> and >> reported an issue will be present on the call. We will have at least one >> native screen-reader user on the call as well. >> >> >> >> We are now using the Sakai001_Scheduled teleconference number. The connect >> information is: >> >> >> * Dial (812) 856-7060 >> >> * Enter Conference Number: 22348# >> >> * Conference PIN: 72524# >> >> Please feel free to attend! >> -Brian Richwine >> >> Some Handy URLs: >> >> Meeting Notes from Previous Accessibility WG Teleconferences: >> https://confluence.sakaiproject.org/display/2ACC/Sakai+Accessibility+Working+Group+Teleconference >> >> Sakai 2.8.0 Accessibility Review Page: >> http://confluence.sakaiproject.org/display/2ACC/Sakai+2.8+Accessibility+Review >> >> >> Sakai 2.x Jira Tickets Discussion page: >> http://confluence.sakaiproject.org/ >> display/2ACC/Outstanding+Sakai+2.x+Accessibility+Jira+Tickets+Discussion >> >> >> Accessibility Working Group task list: >> http://confluence.sakaiproject.org/display/2ACC/Sakai+Accessibility+Working+Group%27s+Projects+Page >> >> >> Brian Richwine >> Adaptive Technology Support Specialist >> Adaptive Technology and Accessibility Centers >> Indiana University - Bloomington/Indianapolis >> http://iuadapts.indiana.edu >> (812) 856-4112 >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> accessibility mailing list >> accessibility at collab.sakaiproject.org >> http://collab.sakaiproject.org/mailman/listinfo/accessibility >> >> TO UNSUBSCRIBE: send email to >> accessibility-unsubscribe at collab.sakaiproject.org with a subject of >> "unsubscribe" >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, >> virus and worm-free >> >> To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated >> web pages located at >> http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group >> since the 12th of April 2010, at: >> http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html >> >> > _______________________________________________ > > The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, > virus and worm-free > > To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's > dedicated web pages located at > http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat > group since the 12th of April 2010, at: > http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html > > From martin at x.it.okstate.edu Wed Jan 12 19:03:50 2011 From: martin at x.it.okstate.edu (Martin McCormick) Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 13:03:50 -0600 Subject: Sakai Accessibility Working Group Teleconference, Thursday, 1/13 2pm Eastern Message-ID: <201101121903.p0CJ3oAJ049525@x.it.okstate.edu> Mary Stores writes: > Hello, Martin > > Unfortunately, it is not a toll free number. Sorry about that. That's the breaks. If I called it from work and stayed logged in for several hours, it might not be work for me any more. There have been several new toll-free exchange numbers over the last few years and they all start with 8 so I was just checking. Thanks. From mstores at indiana.edu Wed Jan 12 21:44:18 2011 From: mstores at indiana.edu (Mary Stores) Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 16:44:18 -0500 Subject: Sakai Accessibility Working Group Teleconference, Thursday, 1/13 2pm Eastern In-Reply-To: <201101121903.p0CJ3oAJ049525@x.it.okstate.edu> References: <201101121903.p0CJ3oAJ049525@x.it.okstate.edu> Message-ID: <20110112164418.ou34cxed8g8sw0c4@webmail.iu.edu> Martin, The teleconference only lasts for one hour. There are some internet connection options as well. Brian is going to look into them, and if there are some accessible ones for Windows and Mac users, we'll let you know. Mary Quoting Martin McCormick : > Mary Stores writes: >> Hello, Martin >> >> Unfortunately, it is not a toll free number. Sorry about that. > > That's the breaks. If I called it from work and stayed > logged in for several hours, it might not be work for me any > more. There have been several new toll-free exchange numbers > over the last few years and they all start with 8 so I was just > checking. Thanks. > _______________________________________________ > From tsiegel at softcon.com Thu Jan 13 19:50:03 2011 From: tsiegel at softcon.com (Travis Siegel) Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 13:50:03 -0600 Subject: Microsoft opposes Apple trademark for 'App Store' In-Reply-To: <1B7FAC98-2FF5-481C-AD5C-24A917B5455B@gmail.com> References: <1B7FAC98-2FF5-481C-AD5C-24A917B5455B@gmail.com> Message-ID: While I generally don't care for microsoft strongarm tactics they've used in the past, in this case, they do have a point. Intel wasn't allowed to patent or trademark 586, because it was too generic (thus the pentium line of processors was born) and apple's trying to trademark app store sounds to me like the same sort of thing. I agree, it's definitely too generic to be trademarkable. So, there you go, I actually agree with Microsoft on something, I do believe that's a first. :) From marrie12 at gmail.com Thu Jan 13 21:43:31 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 13:43:31 -0800 Subject: T-Mobile makes U-turn on data cap cut Message-ID: Since tmobile in the uk is goign ot make its data cut next month will tmobile in the us do the same? read more: http://bit.ly/hSmr47 From marrie12 at gmail.com Fri Jan 14 01:18:22 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 17:18:22 -0800 Subject: Record Labels To Pay $45 Million for Pirating Artists? Music Message-ID: <91E43BC7-2774-403E-9399-0500B24FD658@gmail.com> Will the record label's double standards backfire to the point where they need to change licensing skeems? read more: http://bit.ly/eAXISe From marrie12 at gmail.com Sat Jan 15 00:29:49 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 16:29:49 -0800 Subject: Reporter cops to stealing internet, now wants it all to be free Message-ID: <390DF74B-65B9-4719-941D-AB8BA793D10D@gmail.com> I'm not advocating that anyone do this but this is a well written article none the less. read more: http://nyti.ms/gZgL2X From lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk Sat Jan 15 23:17:19 2011 From: lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2011 23:17:19 +0000 Subject: Kindle Isn't Apple In-Reply-To: References: <2667C5C1-C71E-402E-9825-A66230159C69@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <4E2394BE-D96C-4133-9B63-44F3C02A2465@tft-bbs.co.uk> Hello Dennis I have moved this from Mac Access, we will all be more comfortable this way I think because then, if it drifts on to another topic, it really doesn't matter. Firstly; I am sorry if I came across in any way as bossy or anything; that isn't my intention. We have learned though from experience how these threads can develop into a discussion which ends up way different to how it was intended and how it was when it started out. So we need to make sure that the Mac Access list stays on topic. But I totally agree with you Dennis; there should be guidelines which obligate developers producing specific reading material to make the material accessible to all, not just those of us who are lucky enough to be able to see the things. I really hope that they come up with something soon which is suitable for the visually impaired. Lynne From marrie12 at gmail.com Sun Jan 16 06:09:30 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2011 22:09:30 -0800 Subject: Kindle Isn't Apple In-Reply-To: <4E2394BE-D96C-4133-9B63-44F3C02A2465@tft-bbs.co.uk> References: <2667C5C1-C71E-402E-9825-A66230159C69@mac-access.net> <4E2394BE-D96C-4133-9B63-44F3C02A2465@tft-bbs.co.uk> Message-ID: <8A44611D-48FC-4E26-809F-6E188FD61647@gmail.com> I doubt amazon will do anythign for the visually impaired unless we scream at them professionally to do so. It's the publishers we have to fight with and tht to me will not be a success. S On Jan 15, 2011, at 3:17 PM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hello Dennis > > I have moved this from Mac Access, we will all be more comfortable this way I think because then, if it drifts on to another topic, it really doesn't matter. > > Firstly; I am sorry if I came across in any way as bossy or anything; that isn't my intention. We have learned though from experience how these threads can develop into a discussion which ends up way different to how it was intended and how it was when it started out. So we need to make sure that the Mac Access list stays on topic. > > But I totally agree with you Dennis; there should be guidelines which obligate developers producing specific reading material to make the material accessible to all, not just those of us who are lucky enough to be able to see the things. > > I really hope that they come up with something soon which is suitable for the visually impaired. > > Lynne > > _______________________________________________ > > The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free > > To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: > http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html > From lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk Sun Jan 16 17:29:27 2011 From: lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2011 17:29:27 +0000 Subject: Kindle Isn't Apple In-Reply-To: <8A44611D-48FC-4E26-809F-6E188FD61647@gmail.com> References: <2667C5C1-C71E-402E-9825-A66230159C69@mac-access.net> <4E2394BE-D96C-4133-9B63-44F3C02A2465@tft-bbs.co.uk> <8A44611D-48FC-4E26-809F-6E188FD61647@gmail.com> Message-ID: <50DA1B76-3D37-47CF-96A4-C9A9B06A9E7B@tft-bbs.co.uk> Hello Sarah On 16 Jan 2011, at 06:09, Sarah Alawami wrote: > I doubt amazon will do anythign for the visually impaired unless we scream at them professionally to do so. It's the publishers we have to fight with and tht to me will not be a success. Scream at them professionally? I don't quite get that. :) There may, however, be other issues involved here which may be partly to blame. I wonder whether this is another instance of Apple not being prepared to do what it takes to help them develop their app accessibly. In other words, maybe they did not produce the APIs as is the case with Adobe. I'm not an expert; but reading between the lines, that's as likely an explanation as any. Lynne From marrie12 at gmail.com Sun Jan 16 22:28:29 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2011 14:28:29 -0800 Subject: Kindle Isn't Apple In-Reply-To: <50DA1B76-3D37-47CF-96A4-C9A9B06A9E7B@tft-bbs.co.uk> References: <2667C5C1-C71E-402E-9825-A66230159C69@mac-access.net> <4E2394BE-D96C-4133-9B63-44F3C02A2465@tft-bbs.co.uk> <8A44611D-48FC-4E26-809F-6E188FD61647@gmail.com> <50DA1B76-3D37-47CF-96A4-C9A9B06A9E7B@tft-bbs.co.uk> Message-ID: <00E106C0-AA2A-4D53-93FA-37DD67258121@gmail.com> Oh no, what happened was this. the publishers won the right to turn off the TTS in there kindel books and amazon agreed. We threathened to sue and well, nothing happened. lol! the kindel still has to be operated by a sighted person and even on the iphone app some books have the TTS turned off. S On Jan 16, 2011, at 9:29 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hello Sarah > > On 16 Jan 2011, at 06:09, Sarah Alawami wrote: > >> I doubt amazon will do anythign for the visually impaired unless we scream at them professionally to do so. It's the publishers we have to fight with and tht to me will not be a success. > > Scream at them professionally? I don't quite get that. :) There may, however, be other issues involved here which may be partly to blame. > > I wonder whether this is another instance of Apple not being prepared to do what it takes to help them develop their app accessibly. In other words, maybe they did not produce the APIs as is the case with Adobe. > > I'm not an expert; but reading between the lines, that's as likely an explanation as any. > > Lynne > > > _______________________________________________ > > The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free > > To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: > http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html > From grtdane at internode.on.net Tue Jan 18 01:17:02 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 12:17:02 +1100 Subject: Eset Products Message-ID: <08F2E9F3-231B-4553-9B77-2667B60A29A5@internode.on.net> Hi! I just downloaded and installed Eset Cybersecurity for Mac given how much I think of the Windows PC version and the story hasn't changed with the Mac version, just as functional it seems and just as customisable and unintrusive as the Windows version so in short Eset Cybersecurity is everything in my view that an Anti Virus/spyware/malware solution should be. The Mac version uses the "Threat Sense" engine that the PC version is famous for thus Eset Cybersecurity can detect Malware before it causes any damage. Software seems perfectly accessible but then again having had experience with the quality product that Eset produces I shouldn't be at all surprised at that. Teh great thing about Cybersecurity is that if you already own an Eset product such as Eset Smart Security or Nod32 Anti Virus for Windows then Eset Smart Security can integrate into your current subscription. For example, suppose you have a 1 year subscription for 3 computers, a Mac is counted as a computer thus if you have an Eset product on 1 Windows machine you can use Eset Cybersecurity on 1 or 2 more Mac machines etc. a 30 day trial is available, Eset will give you a special user ID and password to enable your copy of the software for 30 days, go to http://www.nod32.com From marrie12 at gmail.com Tue Jan 18 03:54:01 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 19:54:01 -0800 Subject: Facebook is now granting developer access to your phone number and home address. Message-ID: <0B7098AD-B894-4B57-AE73-4F1E1B5CD04F@gmail.com> Is Facebook going way too far and will this backfire? read more: http://bit.ly/hjhN7Z From lynne at mac-access.net Tue Jan 18 10:21:35 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 10:21:35 +0000 Subject: Eset Products In-Reply-To: <08F2E9F3-231B-4553-9B77-2667B60A29A5@internode.on.net> References: <08F2E9F3-231B-4553-9B77-2667B60A29A5@internode.on.net> Message-ID: Hello everybody I am not going to respond in detail here, as we have a sister group which is intended for the discussion of Mac related and iOS related topics. However, I just thought I had better correct Dane's slightly ambiguous URL. You can find Eset Cyber Security for Mac here: I know that some members are not subscribed to our Mac list; but the chances are that if they aren't, they don't have an interest in Apple's products. Lynne From support at tft-bbs.com Tue Jan 18 21:04:31 2011 From: support at tft-bbs.com (Gordon & Lynne Smith) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 21:04:31 +0000 Subject: Service Outage; Advance Notification Message-ID: Hello everybody At this stage there is no need to be in any way concerned about this, we will advise again closer to the time. However, on 17 February 2011 there will be a service interruption affecting this group, and all other mail services which we offer. The reason for this is that we are switching Internet providers on the network we use for our mail servers. This has proven necessary because of the rising costs involved with our current provider. They increased the cost of their business service by a staggering ?10.00 a month in January, this is ob top of the UK's 2.5% increase in VAT, (Value Added Tax), and Gordon and I just don't feel we are able to either justify or afford to continue to pay out the best part of ?60.00 per month for a business service which, in all honesty, is inferior to the service offered by the company now hosting our other trunk, at less than half the price. Hopefully, the outage will be only a matter of a few hours at most. Gordon expects to be provided with the technical data in advance so that he can re-configure the DNS mappings appropriately. But we don't want to just rush the mail servers back on line before that work is completed because if other servers do a SPF lookup for instance, and an invalid IP address is returned we risk being flagged as a "Spam" provider and we don't want that. We will let you know more specifics as we get them closer to the date. But if you have any questions feel free to contact the support address. Lynne From marrie12 at gmail.com Tue Jan 18 23:44:58 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 15:44:58 -0800 Subject: Two charged in AT&T-iPad data breach Message-ID: I remember reading about this case in june of something last year. read more: http://bit.ly/gDcGHe From marrie12 at gmail.com Wed Jan 19 04:40:06 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 20:40:06 -0800 Subject: Sprint Increases Data Plans By $10 #technology Message-ID: <86A0A941-28E2-4FDD-9676-E760F0FDD48B@gmail.com> Will this make spring loose customers? read more: http://bit.ly/enUYSz From marrie12 at gmail.com Sat Jan 22 23:22:43 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2011 15:22:43 -0800 Subject: Click has another try at breaking 'unbreakable' Message-ID: <5F8C0B13-8AF5-4466-B5FC-1CFF9C232979@gmail.com> Will these pieces of kit servive the tests? listen to the vid and find out. http://bbc.in/g2QEok From marrie12 at gmail.com Mon Jan 24 21:00:40 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2011 13:00:40 -0800 Subject: Huawei sues Motorola Message-ID: <17CE9E58-D49F-48C5-B95D-90EE44A60E62@gmail.com> Will the company win the law suit? Read on: http://bit.ly/gXOWkD From gordon at mac-access.net Tue Jan 25 15:28:42 2011 From: gordon at mac-access.net (Gordon Smith) Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 15:28:42 +0000 Subject: Humanware Braille Displays In-Reply-To: <590B8085-51E5-4813-9939-F39EFB168F8E@googlemail.com> References: <590B8085-51E5-4813-9939-F39EFB168F8E@googlemail.com> Message-ID: Hi William I moved this from Mac Access as it has nothing to do with Apple. To be totally honest, I'm not quite sure how they do this in the new firmware. The older firmware for the Brailliant was far better in my opinion. For instance, the menus were much more accessible and the power off timeout was user programmable. Now, it's just on or off and I'm not sure what the timeout actually is. In order to get at the advanced menu functions in the Brailliant now, what you do is hold down the extreme left and extreme right-hand router keys and then about a second later, also hold down the top navigation switches on the left and right edge until you hear the display beep. Then, you have access to the advanced functions such as protocol (which I suggest you don't change or your display won't work with your screen-reader), the communications channel, (USB or Bluetooth on your model), and a few other things. Gordon On 25 Jan 2011, at 14:51, william lomas wrote: > Hi all when my brailliant 40 is switched off and charging by USB it says how long it has been charging for not the percentage left? when it has fully charged will it go blank? From lomaswilliam at googlemail.com Tue Jan 25 15:42:04 2011 From: lomaswilliam at googlemail.com (william lomas) Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 15:42:04 +0000 Subject: Humanware Braille Displays In-Reply-To: References: <590B8085-51E5-4813-9939-F39EFB168F8E@googlemail.com> Message-ID: <2D1008C2-66E4-4B99-8450-87E877321A08@googlemail.com> how do we update firmware though On 25 Jan 2011, at 15:28, Gordon Smith wrote: > Hi William > > I moved this from Mac Access as it has nothing to do with Apple. > > To be totally honest, I'm not quite sure how they do this in the new firmware. The older firmware for the Brailliant was far better in my opinion. For instance, the menus were much more accessible and the power off timeout was user programmable. Now, it's just on or off and I'm not sure what the timeout actually is. > > In order to get at the advanced menu functions in the Brailliant now, what you do is hold down the extreme left and extreme right-hand router keys and then about a second later, also hold down the top navigation switches on the left and right edge until you hear the display beep. > > Then, you have access to the advanced functions such as protocol (which I suggest you don't change or your display won't work with your screen-reader), the communications channel, (USB or Bluetooth on your model), and a few other things. > > Gordon > > > On 25 Jan 2011, at 14:51, william lomas wrote: > >> Hi all when my brailliant 40 is switched off and charging by USB it says how long it has been charging for not the percentage left? when it has fully charged will it go blank? > > _______________________________________________ > > The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free > > To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: > http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html > From marrie12 at gmail.com Wed Jan 26 04:52:37 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 20:52:37 -0800 Subject: my youtube vids are acting oddly Message-ID: <1909C1BA-7D57-4FDE-BBBD-13D5153605F2@gmail.com> Hello all my youtube vids appear fine when looking at them with out uploading but when I upload them to the youtube site there is no sound. there is sound in the original. i am not sure what to do here. any advice please and if there are any sighted users on this list who can give advice I'd like that too. S From lynne at mac-access.net Wed Jan 26 07:25:46 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 07:25:46 +0000 Subject: Humanware Braille Displays In-Reply-To: <2D1008C2-66E4-4B99-8450-87E877321A08@googlemail.com> References: <590B8085-51E5-4813-9939-F39EFB168F8E@googlemail.com> <2D1008C2-66E4-4B99-8450-87E877321A08@googlemail.com> Message-ID: <778E06F8-D7CD-4F8A-99E1-8491DCB7BA53@mac-access.net> Hello William On 25 Jan 2011, at 15:42, william lomas wrote: > how do we update firmware though I think you have to send the display back to Humanware. But Gordon doesn't like the new version much because of what they've done to the menu system. Lynne From lomaswilliam at googlemail.com Wed Jan 26 07:47:37 2011 From: lomaswilliam at googlemail.com (william lomas) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 07:47:37 +0000 Subject: Humanware Braille Displays In-Reply-To: <778E06F8-D7CD-4F8A-99E1-8491DCB7BA53@mac-access.net> References: <590B8085-51E5-4813-9939-F39EFB168F8E@googlemail.com> <2D1008C2-66E4-4B99-8450-87E877321A08@googlemail.com> <778E06F8-D7CD-4F8A-99E1-8491DCB7BA53@mac-access.net> Message-ID: I think I have the newer firmware though not sure On 26 Jan 2011, at 07:25, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hello William > > On 25 Jan 2011, at 15:42, william lomas wrote: > >> how do we update firmware though > > I think you have to send the display back to Humanware. But Gordon doesn't like the new version much because of what they've done to the menu system. > > Lynne > > _______________________________________________ > > The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free > > To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: > http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html > From lynne at mac-access.net Wed Jan 26 09:58:25 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 09:58:25 +0000 Subject: Humanware Braille Displays In-Reply-To: References: <590B8085-51E5-4813-9939-F39EFB168F8E@googlemail.com> <2D1008C2-66E4-4B99-8450-87E877321A08@googlemail.com> <778E06F8-D7CD-4F8A-99E1-8491DCB7BA53@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <43224A9A-0F6A-4F15-A349-BA24553A5A7D@mac-access.net> Hello William On 26 Jan 2011, at 07:47, william lomas wrote: > I think I have the newer firmware though not sure You can tell by the menu system which version of the firmware you have. If you have the older version you need to manually activate the menu system by pressing and holding down the top navigation switch on either side of the display until it bleeps and the menu appears on the display. You scroll down the menu using the middle switches. In the newer version, you have to activate the advanced options in order to switch, for example, between USB and blue tooth. Lynne From lynne at mac-access.net Wed Jan 26 17:15:19 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 17:15:19 +0000 Subject: Zoom H1 Impressions Message-ID: <9CA50180-E3E9-4707-A032-A7AA0C42B7B4@mac-access.net> Hello everybody Today Gordon and I attended a major meeting relevant to his work. We decided to record the meeting using the Zoom H1 so that Gordon could use his laptop for referring to materials he needed as part of the discussion, without interfering with the recording as it would have done had he been using speech. Anyway, the issue here is the performance of the Zoom H1. Gordon and I listened to some of the recording when we got back home about half an hour ago. The results we obtained from the H1 are nothing short of spectacular! I transferred the recording on to our computer and listened to it through a set of external speakers. The stereo separation is excellent, you really get a feeling for who was sitting where in relation to the microphones. We were also very pleasantly surprised by the sensitivity of the microphones, and the signal to noise ratio. Using the preset manual recording levels, (not with AGC), we can hear every key press of everybody who was using laptops or other devices in the room. There were actually four people, including the secretary who was recording the notes so that she could type up the minutes of the meeting, and Gordon, plus 2 other employees all using laptops. The H1 picked up absolutely every sound and we are extremely impressed, and pleased with its performance. What an amazing little device that is for the price of it. Well worth the ?89.99 we paid for it. Lynne From moore.c at blueyonder.co.uk Wed Jan 26 17:20:38 2011 From: moore.c at blueyonder.co.uk (Chris Moore) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 17:20:38 +0000 Subject: Zoom H1 Impressions In-Reply-To: <9CA50180-E3E9-4707-A032-A7AA0C42B7B4@mac-access.net> References: <9CA50180-E3E9-4707-A032-A7AA0C42B7B4@mac-access.net> Message-ID: Lynne, I have never used this device. How easy is it to use? Is it just simple buttons or is there a menu system to drive it? Has Gordon got any plans to do a Podcast on it? Thanks Chris On 26 Jan 2011, at 17:15, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hello everybody > > Today Gordon and I attended a major meeting relevant to his work. We decided to record the meeting using the Zoom H1 so that Gordon could use his laptop for referring to materials he needed as part of the discussion, without interfering with the recording as it would have done had he been using speech. > > Anyway, the issue here is the performance of the Zoom H1. Gordon and I listened to some of the recording when we got back home about half an hour ago. The results we obtained from the H1 are nothing short of spectacular! > > I transferred the recording on to our computer and listened to it through a set of external speakers. The stereo separation is excellent, you really get a feeling for who was sitting where in relation to the microphones. > > We were also very pleasantly surprised by the sensitivity of the microphones, and the signal to noise ratio. Using the preset manual recording levels, (not with AGC), we can hear every key press of everybody who was using laptops or other devices in the room. There were actually four people, including the secretary who was recording the notes so that she could type up the minutes of the meeting, and Gordon, plus 2 other employees all using laptops. > > The H1 picked up absolutely every sound and we are extremely impressed, and pleased with its performance. What an amazing little device that is for the price of it. Well worth the ?89.99 we paid for it. > > Lynne > > _______________________________________________ > > The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free > > To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: > http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html > From lynne at mac-access.net Wed Jan 26 18:05:36 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 18:05:36 +0000 Subject: Zoom H1 Impressions In-Reply-To: References: <9CA50180-E3E9-4707-A032-A7AA0C42B7B4@mac-access.net> Message-ID: Hello Chris On 26 Jan 2011, at 17:20, Chris Moore wrote: > ? I have never used this device. How easy is it to use? Is it just simple buttons or is there a menu system to drive it? Has Gordon got any plans to do a Podcast on it? > The entire device is controlled by physical buttons and switches, there is no menu system. As for a podcast, Gordon isn't yet familiar enough with all of its functions to do that. But there is, I am told, a podcast of it on blind cool tech. We haven't looked at it, but I gather there is one. Lynne > Thanks > > Chris > On 26 Jan 2011, at 17:15, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > >> Hello everybody >> >> Today Gordon and I attended a major meeting relevant to his work. We decided to record the meeting using the Zoom H1 so that Gordon could use his laptop for referring to materials he needed as part of the discussion, without interfering with the recording as it would have done had he been using speech. >> >> Anyway, the issue here is the performance of the Zoom H1. Gordon and I listened to some of the recording when we got back home about half an hour ago. The results we obtained from the H1 are nothing short of spectacular! >> >> I transferred the recording on to our computer and listened to it through a set of external speakers. The stereo separation is excellent, you really get a feeling for who was sitting where in relation to the microphones. >> >> We were also very pleasantly surprised by the sensitivity of the microphones, and the signal to noise ratio. Using the preset manual recording levels, (not with AGC), we can hear every key press of everybody who was using laptops or other devices in the room. There were actually four people, including the secretary who was recording the notes so that she could type up the minutes of the meeting, and Gordon, plus 2 other employees all using laptops. >> >> The H1 picked up absolutely every sound and we are extremely impressed, and pleased with its performance. What an amazing little device that is for the price of it. Well worth the ?89.99 we paid for it. >> >> Lynne >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free >> >> To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: >> http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html >> > > > _______________________________________________ > > The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free > > To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: > http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html > From grtdane at internode.on.net Wed Jan 26 18:41:09 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 05:41:09 +1100 Subject: Zoom H1 Impressions In-Reply-To: <9CA50180-E3E9-4707-A032-A7AA0C42B7B4@mac-access.net> References: <9CA50180-E3E9-4707-A032-A7AA0C42B7B4@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <24DA1594-E4EE-4A0E-8902-A4B1F6D0D6F1@internode.on.net> Forgive me but now you know why I still keep writing about the Zoom H1 and I still wonder why people go on about the Zoom H1 not being accessible whereas the more expensive Olympus recorders are and they talk? Well folks, quality is the issue here and the below sets the example. I've said it before and I'll gladly say it again, if you can operate a desktop cassette recorder then you can operate a Zoom H1, accessibility doesn't come into play here. Yes its a shame perhaps that a person without vision can't see the screen but there are many devices we access in our own homes now that have a screen we can't read - LCD televisions being one case in point - and we still manage. The Zoom H1 is far from perfect and I'ld like to see a few things added such as the ability to use the H1 as a sound device when connected to a computer, file splitting after a preset duration of time etc but at least the software can be updated so its quite possible that other features may be introduced as time goes on. On 27/01/2011, at 4:15 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hello everybody > > Today Gordon and I attended a major meeting relevant to his work. We decided to record the meeting using the Zoom H1 so that Gordon could use his laptop for referring to materials he needed as part of the discussion, without interfering with the recording as it would have done had he been using speech. > > Anyway, the issue here is the performance of the Zoom H1. Gordon and I listened to some of the recording when we got back home about half an hour ago. The results we obtained from the H1 are nothing short of spectacular! > > I transferred the recording on to our computer and listened to it through a set of external speakers. The stereo separation is excellent, you really get a feeling for who was sitting where in relation to the microphones. > > We were also very pleasantly surprised by the sensitivity of the microphones, and the signal to noise ratio. Using the preset manual recording levels, (not with AGC), we can hear every key press of everybody who was using laptops or other devices in the room. There were actually four people, including the secretary who was recording the notes so that she could type up the minutes of the meeting, and Gordon, plus 2 other employees all using laptops. > > The H1 picked up absolutely every sound and we are extremely impressed, and pleased with its performance. What an amazing little device that is for the price of it. Well worth the ?89.99 we paid for it. > > Lynne > > _______________________________________________ > > The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free > > To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: > http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html > From grtdane at internode.on.net Wed Jan 26 18:47:51 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 05:47:51 +1100 Subject: Zoom H1 Impressions In-Reply-To: References: <9CA50180-E3E9-4707-A032-A7AA0C42B7B4@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <606F606C-F347-4618-B020-F810C4FE15AA@internode.on.net> Howdy! If I may answer the question, just simple buttons and no menus. There are a couple of things you need to be careful of however, you can easily change the sample rate by pressing the fast-forward and rewind buttons whilst in "Standby" mode, by default the H1 is in 44.1KHZ and the top sampling rate is 96KHZ 24-bit so whatever happens you're still going to get a quality recording. You can access other options by holding various buttons down when the unit is powered up for example, holding the "Erase" button when powering up the unit puts the H1 into the "Format SD card" mode, pressing the "record" button confirms the format. Holding down the "Record" button when powering up the unit puts the H1 into the "Date/time" setting mode, I don't need nor use this function as I can manipulate all that on the computer, the H1 doesn't have a clock so the date/time function is used to stamp the files the unit creates. Erasing files is easy, locate the track you wish to erase in playback and press the "Erase" button when you've located what you want to be rid of, press "Record" to confirm. I've ben using the Zoom H1 now for just over 3 months for every day of that time, I would suggest that if you're going to look at one of these units then you get yourself a half dozen or so chargible batteries, Sanyo seem to make the most durable right now, they can be stored and used when required, they hold 80% of their charge for around 12 months. On 27/01/2011, at 4:20 AM, Chris Moore wrote: > Lynne, > > I have never used this device. How easy is it to use? Is it just simple buttons or is there a menu system to drive it? Has Gordon got any plans to do a Podcast on it? > > Thanks > > Chris > On 26 Jan 2011, at 17:15, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > >> Hello everybody >> >> Today Gordon and I attended a major meeting relevant to his work. We decided to record the meeting using the Zoom H1 so that Gordon could use his laptop for referring to materials he needed as part of the discussion, without interfering with the recording as it would have done had he been using speech. >> >> Anyway, the issue here is the performance of the Zoom H1. Gordon and I listened to some of the recording when we got back home about half an hour ago. The results we obtained from the H1 are nothing short of spectacular! >> >> I transferred the recording on to our computer and listened to it through a set of external speakers. The stereo separation is excellent, you really get a feeling for who was sitting where in relation to the microphones. >> >> We were also very pleasantly surprised by the sensitivity of the microphones, and the signal to noise ratio. Using the preset manual recording levels, (not with AGC), we can hear every key press of everybody who was using laptops or other devices in the room. There were actually four people, including the secretary who was recording the notes so that she could type up the minutes of the meeting, and Gordon, plus 2 other employees all using laptops. >> >> The H1 picked up absolutely every sound and we are extremely impressed, and pleased with its performance. What an amazing little device that is for the price of it. Well worth the ?89.99 we paid for it. >> >> Lynne >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free >> >> To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: >> http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html >> > > > _______________________________________________ > > The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free > > To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: > http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html > From grtdane at internode.on.net Wed Jan 26 18:49:10 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 05:49:10 +1100 Subject: Zoom H1 Impressions In-Reply-To: References: <9CA50180-E3E9-4707-A032-A7AA0C42B7B4@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <14168F88-35DF-46F9-806C-B896EE5E8722@internode.on.net> Their is a very good podcast on the Zoom H1 at http://www.blindcooltech.com which impressed me with its detailed demo of the unit so I went and bought one . On 27/01/2011, at 5:05 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hello Chris > > On 26 Jan 2011, at 17:20, Chris Moore wrote: > >> ? I have never used this device. How easy is it to use? Is it just simple buttons or is there a menu system to drive it? Has Gordon got any plans to do a Podcast on it? >> > The entire device is controlled by physical buttons and switches, there is no menu system. > > As for a podcast, Gordon isn't yet familiar enough with all of its functions to do that. But there is, I am told, a podcast of it on blind cool tech. We haven't looked at it, but I gather there is one. > > Lynne > >> Thanks >> >> Chris >> On 26 Jan 2011, at 17:15, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: >> >>> Hello everybody >>> >>> Today Gordon and I attended a major meeting relevant to his work. We decided to record the meeting using the Zoom H1 so that Gordon could use his laptop for referring to materials he needed as part of the discussion, without interfering with the recording as it would have done had he been using speech. >>> >>> Anyway, the issue here is the performance of the Zoom H1. Gordon and I listened to some of the recording when we got back home about half an hour ago. The results we obtained from the H1 are nothing short of spectacular! >>> >>> I transferred the recording on to our computer and listened to it through a set of external speakers. The stereo separation is excellent, you really get a feeling for who was sitting where in relation to the microphones. >>> >>> We were also very pleasantly surprised by the sensitivity of the microphones, and the signal to noise ratio. Using the preset manual recording levels, (not with AGC), we can hear every key press of everybody who was using laptops or other devices in the room. There were actually four people, including the secretary who was recording the notes so that she could type up the minutes of the meeting, and Gordon, plus 2 other employees all using laptops. >>> >>> The H1 picked up absolutely every sound and we are extremely impressed, and pleased with its performance. What an amazing little device that is for the price of it. Well worth the ?89.99 we paid for it. >>> >>> Lynne >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free >>> >>> To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: >>> http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free >> >> To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: >> http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html >> > > _______________________________________________ > > The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free > > To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: > http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html > From moore.c at blueyonder.co.uk Wed Jan 26 19:02:37 2011 From: moore.c at blueyonder.co.uk (Chris Moore) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 19:02:37 +0000 Subject: Zoom H1 Impressions In-Reply-To: <606F606C-F347-4618-B020-F810C4FE15AA@internode.on.net> References: <9CA50180-E3E9-4707-A032-A7AA0C42B7B4@mac-access.net> <606F606C-F347-4618-B020-F810C4FE15AA@internode.on.net> Message-ID: Thanks guys, it sounds like what I am after, no fuss just buttons and quick. Chris On 26 Jan 2011, at 18:47, Dane Trethowan wrote: > Howdy! > > If I may answer the question, just simple buttons and no menus. > > There are a couple of things you need to be careful of however, you can easily change the sample rate by pressing the fast-forward and rewind buttons whilst in "Standby" mode, by default the H1 is in 44.1KHZ and the top sampling rate is 96KHZ 24-bit so whatever happens you're still going to get a quality recording. > > You can access other options by holding various buttons down when the unit is powered up for example, holding the "Erase" button when powering up the unit puts the H1 into the "Format SD card" mode, pressing the "record" button confirms the format. > > Holding down the "Record" button when powering up the unit puts the H1 into the "Date/time" setting mode, I don't need nor use this function as I can manipulate all that on the computer, the H1 doesn't have a clock so the date/time function is used to stamp the files the unit creates. > > Erasing files is easy, locate the track you wish to erase in playback and press the "Erase" button when you've located what you want to be rid of, press "Record" to confirm. > > I've ben using the Zoom H1 now for just over 3 months for every day of that time, I would suggest that if you're going to look at one of these units then you get yourself a half dozen or so chargible batteries, Sanyo seem to make the most durable right now, they can be stored and used when required, they hold 80% of their charge for around 12 months. > > On 27/01/2011, at 4:20 AM, Chris Moore wrote: > >> Lynne, >> >> I have never used this device. How easy is it to use? Is it just simple buttons or is there a menu system to drive it? Has Gordon got any plans to do a Podcast on it? >> >> Thanks >> >> Chris >> On 26 Jan 2011, at 17:15, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: >> >>> Hello everybody >>> >>> Today Gordon and I attended a major meeting relevant to his work. We decided to record the meeting using the Zoom H1 so that Gordon could use his laptop for referring to materials he needed as part of the discussion, without interfering with the recording as it would have done had he been using speech. >>> >>> Anyway, the issue here is the performance of the Zoom H1. Gordon and I listened to some of the recording when we got back home about half an hour ago. The results we obtained from the H1 are nothing short of spectacular! >>> >>> I transferred the recording on to our computer and listened to it through a set of external speakers. The stereo separation is excellent, you really get a feeling for who was sitting where in relation to the microphones. >>> >>> We were also very pleasantly surprised by the sensitivity of the microphones, and the signal to noise ratio. Using the preset manual recording levels, (not with AGC), we can hear every key press of everybody who was using laptops or other devices in the room. There were actually four people, including the secretary who was recording the notes so that she could type up the minutes of the meeting, and Gordon, plus 2 other employees all using laptops. >>> >>> The H1 picked up absolutely every sound and we are extremely impressed, and pleased with its performance. What an amazing little device that is for the price of it. Well worth the ?89.99 we paid for it. >>> >>> Lynne >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free >>> >>> To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: >>> http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free >> >> To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: >> http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html >> > > _______________________________________________ > > The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free > > To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: > http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html > From lynne at mac-access.net Wed Jan 26 19:24:00 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 19:24:00 +0000 Subject: Zoom H1 Impressions In-Reply-To: <24DA1594-E4EE-4A0E-8902-A4B1F6D0D6F1@internode.on.net> References: <9CA50180-E3E9-4707-A032-A7AA0C42B7B4@mac-access.net> <24DA1594-E4EE-4A0E-8902-A4B1F6D0D6F1@internode.on.net> Message-ID: <945EFC6C-1B9F-4F52-8DBE-2AC7BD0BFF05@mac-access.net> Dane I just gave you my honest opinion. I'm not surprised if the H1 got rave reviews; but I speak as I find and I find this device to be excellent value for money and although we haven't yet mastered all of its functions, for instance, we haven't yet discovered how to format SD cards and modify preset levels in manual mode. But we'll get there eventually I think. It's just a matter of time; and we have a heck of a lot on our proverbial plates at the moment which are much more important. Lynne On 26 Jan 2011, at 18:41, Dane Trethowan wrote: > Forgive me but now you know why I still keep writing about the Zoom H1 and I still wonder why people go on about the Zoom H1 not being accessible whereas the more expensive Olympus recorders are and they talk? Well folks, quality is the issue here and the below sets the example. > > I've said it before and I'll gladly say it again, if you can operate a desktop cassette recorder then you can operate a Zoom H1, accessibility doesn't come into play here. Yes its a shame perhaps that a person without vision can't see the screen but there are many devices we access in our own homes now that have a screen we can't read - LCD televisions being one case in point - and we still manage. > > The Zoom H1 is far from perfect and I'ld like to see a few things added such as the ability to use the H1 as a sound device when connected to a computer, file splitting after a preset duration of time etc but at least the software can be updated so its quite possible that other features may be introduced as time goes on. > From lynne at mac-access.net Wed Jan 26 19:30:20 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 19:30:20 +0000 Subject: Zoom H1 Impressions In-Reply-To: <606F606C-F347-4618-B020-F810C4FE15AA@internode.on.net> References: <9CA50180-E3E9-4707-A032-A7AA0C42B7B4@mac-access.net> <606F606C-F347-4618-B020-F810C4FE15AA@internode.on.net> Message-ID: Hello Dane Thank you! You've just confirmed a few things I've been looking for. I am planning to get us a 32GB card for this soon, now that I've seen how good the performance is in the real world. Yes, I've set the date and time on ours because it will help when determining which recording is which. The Zoom website is odd, but I'll have another look through the manual when I get time. Lynne On 26 Jan 2011, at 18:47, Dane Trethowan wrote: > > ? There are a couple of things you need to be careful of however, you can easily change the sample rate by pressing the fast-forward and rewind buttons whilst in "Standby" mode, by default the H1 is in 44.1KHZ and the top sampling rate is 96KHZ 24-bit so whatever happens you're still going to get a quality recording. > > ? You can access other options by holding various buttons down when the unit is powered up for example, holding the "Erase" button when powering up the unit puts the H1 into the "Format SD card" mode, pressing the "record" button confirms the format. > > ? Holding down the "Record" button when powering up the unit puts the H1 into the "Date/time" setting mode, I don't need nor use this function as I can manipulate all that on the computer, the H1 doesn't have a clock so the date/time function is used to stamp the files the unit creates. > > ? Erasing files is easy, locate the track you wish to erase in playback and press the "Erase" button when you've located what you want to be rid of, press "Record" to confirm. > > ? I've ben using the Zoom H1 now for just over 3 months for every day of that time, I would suggest that if you're going to look at one of these units then you get yourself a half dozen or so chargible batteries, Sanyo seem to make the most durable right now, they can be stored and used when required, they hold 80% of their charge for around 12 months. From lynne at mac-access.net Wed Jan 26 19:33:34 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 19:33:34 +0000 Subject: Zoom H1 Impressions In-Reply-To: References: <9CA50180-E3E9-4707-A032-A7AA0C42B7B4@mac-access.net> <606F606C-F347-4618-B020-F810C4FE15AA@internode.on.net> Message-ID: Hello Chris On 26 Jan 2011, at 19:02, Chris Moore wrote: > Thanks guys, it sounds like what I am after, no fuss just buttons and quick. > You can get it from Music Gear, which is also an Amazon Market Place reseller and that's how I got ours. You might want to consider buying the accessory pack, (APH1) with it, and maybe a higher capacity SD card. SD RAM seems to be very expensive if you're looking at the micro card version which these recorders use. I've seen prices as high as ?85 for a 32GB micro SD card. But that's the way things are. Lynne From martin at x.it.okstate.edu Wed Jan 26 20:04:52 2011 From: martin at x.it.okstate.edu (Martin McCormick) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 14:04:52 -0600 Subject: Zoom H1 Impressions Message-ID: <201101262004.p0QK4qeE068209@x.it.okstate.edu> "Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith" writes: >Yes, I've set the date and time on > ours because it will help when determining which recording is which. Does the clock loose its setting when you replace the battery? This sounds like a strange question, but if you don't set the date and time, does it just start counting from Midnight of some date and year when the battery is installed? There might be a way for a blind person to set it if you could start from some known point. Some devices like video recorders have a device called a supercap or super capacitor which is almost like a re-chargeable battery that will keep just the clock going for maybe 15 to 30 minutes while you change batteries so you don't have to reset it every time. Wait too long and even the supercap runs out of steam. From lynne at mac-access.net Wed Jan 26 21:06:20 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 21:06:20 +0000 Subject: Zoom H1 Impressions In-Reply-To: <201101262004.p0QK4qeE068209@x.it.okstate.edu> References: <201101262004.p0QK4qeE068209@x.it.okstate.edu> Message-ID: <4A1B584E-14C8-4129-89C3-89BEA3DB49EF@mac-access.net> Hello Martin On 26 Jan 2011, at 20:04, Martin McCormick wrote: > ? Does the clock loose its setting when you replace the battery? This sounds like a strange question, but if you don't set the date and time, does it just start counting from Midnight of some date and year when the battery is installed? > That's a good question actually, I'm not sure. I would hope that there is a backup battery of some sort on the clock because having to repeatedly reset the date and time would be a real pain. > ? There might be a way for a blind person to set it if you could start from some known point. > No, you couldn't do that because you'd never know what it was actually set too when you start. Maybe you could set the date, if it does start from a specific date; I will have to check that. > ? Some devices like video recorders have a device called a supercap or super capacitor which is almost like a re-chargeable battery that will keep just the clock going for maybe 15 to 30 > minutes while you change batteries so you don't have to reset it every time. Wait too long and even the supercap runs out of steam. That's exactly what Gordon just suggested. The recorder is stored away in his carry-case with some other equipment at the moment. But tomorrow I'll check into this and let you know. Lynne From marrie12 at gmail.com Wed Jan 26 21:22:54 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 13:22:54 -0800 Subject: Tired of your USB charger taking up an outlet and the one next to it? Genius new charging system Message-ID: I'm a bit confused on hiw this works but read on: http://lifehac.kr/fOyMao From marrie12 at gmail.com Wed Jan 26 21:24:25 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 13:24:25 -0800 Subject: Zoom H1 Impressions In-Reply-To: References: <9CA50180-E3E9-4707-A032-A7AA0C42B7B4@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <76227BB1-6070-4E20-BC57-5BCA9F5C79DD@gmail.com> There's a podcast on it at http://blindcooltech.com. Neil Eurs does a wonderful job at it. S On Jan 26, 2011, at 9:20 AM, Chris Moore wrote: > Lynne, > > I have never used this device. How easy is it to use? Is it just simple buttons or is there a menu system to drive it? Has Gordon got any plans to do a Podcast on it? > > Thanks > > Chris > On 26 Jan 2011, at 17:15, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > >> Hello everybody >> >> Today Gordon and I attended a major meeting relevant to his work. We decided to record the meeting using the Zoom H1 so that Gordon could use his laptop for referring to materials he needed as part of the discussion, without interfering with the recording as it would have done had he been using speech. >> >> Anyway, the issue here is the performance of the Zoom H1. Gordon and I listened to some of the recording when we got back home about half an hour ago. The results we obtained from the H1 are nothing short of spectacular! >> >> I transferred the recording on to our computer and listened to it through a set of external speakers. The stereo separation is excellent, you really get a feeling for who was sitting where in relation to the microphones. >> >> We were also very pleasantly surprised by the sensitivity of the microphones, and the signal to noise ratio. Using the preset manual recording levels, (not with AGC), we can hear every key press of everybody who was using laptops or other devices in the room. There were actually four people, including the secretary who was recording the notes so that she could type up the minutes of the meeting, and Gordon, plus 2 other employees all using laptops. >> >> The H1 picked up absolutely every sound and we are extremely impressed, and pleased with its performance. What an amazing little device that is for the price of it. Well worth the ?89.99 we paid for it. >> >> Lynne >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free >> >> To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: >> http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html >> > > > _______________________________________________ > > The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free > > To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: > http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html > From marrie12 at gmail.com Wed Jan 26 21:26:17 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 13:26:17 -0800 Subject: Zoom H1 Impressions In-Reply-To: <24DA1594-E4EE-4A0E-8902-A4B1F6D0D6F1@internode.on.net> References: <9CA50180-E3E9-4707-A032-A7AA0C42B7B4@mac-access.net> <24DA1594-E4EE-4A0E-8902-A4B1F6D0D6F1@internode.on.net> Message-ID: <4CDACB5A-6477-49EC-AE81-87CAD1E2650B@gmail.com> I'll still stick with my olympus. it is small enough to fit in my pocket and most people think its a cell phone and it does well wiht my class lectures and does very well in my pocket if i'm not moving. Granted the zoom has better handling noise or less of it what ever you want too look at it as but the buttons on the olympus are way easier for me to feel. S On Jan 26, 2011, at 10:41 AM, Dane Trethowan wrote: > Forgive me but now you know why I still keep writing about the Zoom H1 and I still wonder why people go on about the Zoom H1 not being accessible whereas the more expensive Olympus recorders are and they talk? Well folks, quality is the issue here and the below sets the example. > > I've said it before and I'll gladly say it again, if you can operate a desktop cassette recorder then you can operate a Zoom H1, accessibility doesn't come into play here. Yes its a shame perhaps that a person without vision can't see the screen but there are many devices we access in our own homes now that have a screen we can't read - LCD televisions being one case in point - and we still manage. > > The Zoom H1 is far from perfect and I'ld like to see a few things added such as the ability to use the H1 as a sound device when connected to a computer, file splitting after a preset duration of time etc but at least the software can be updated so its quite possible that other features may be introduced as time goes on. > > > On 27/01/2011, at 4:15 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > >> Hello everybody >> >> Today Gordon and I attended a major meeting relevant to his work. We decided to record the meeting using the Zoom H1 so that Gordon could use his laptop for referring to materials he needed as part of the discussion, without interfering with the recording as it would have done had he been using speech. >> >> Anyway, the issue here is the performance of the Zoom H1. Gordon and I listened to some of the recording when we got back home about half an hour ago. The results we obtained from the H1 are nothing short of spectacular! >> >> I transferred the recording on to our computer and listened to it through a set of external speakers. The stereo separation is excellent, you really get a feeling for who was sitting where in relation to the microphones. >> >> We were also very pleasantly surprised by the sensitivity of the microphones, and the signal to noise ratio. Using the preset manual recording levels, (not with AGC), we can hear every key press of everybody who was using laptops or other devices in the room. There were actually four people, including the secretary who was recording the notes so that she could type up the minutes of the meeting, and Gordon, plus 2 other employees all using laptops. >> >> The H1 picked up absolutely every sound and we are extremely impressed, and pleased with its performance. What an amazing little device that is for the price of it. Well worth the ?89.99 we paid for it. >> >> Lynne >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free >> >> To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: >> http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html >> > > _______________________________________________ > > The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free > > To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: > http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html > From martin at x.it.okstate.edu Wed Jan 26 21:54:05 2011 From: martin at x.it.okstate.edu (Martin McCormick) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 15:54:05 -0600 Subject: Zoom H1 Impressions Message-ID: <201101262154.p0QLs5nF069106@x.it.okstate.edu> If you still have some files from before you set the clock, see what their date is. The oldest file will probably have been made a few minutes after the first battery was inserted. I would not be surprised if it doesn't show a date of January 1, someyear at Midnight + a few seconds or minutes depending on how much time elapsed between putting in the battery and making your recording. If all the first files show the same time, that would mean that the recorder knows that nobody has set the clock yet so it isn't counting. That would be great for us because you would know it was some known value. More likely, it comes to life as soon as you install a good battery or connect the USB to a powered USB port. This is a moving target but you could get an accurate time source such as from a radio or your computer and make a recording at exactly some known time. If your recording was made at ten P.M., today, and the time stamp on that particular file is January 1, 2001 at Midnight, you would have to advance the year while saying, 02 03 04, etc until you hit 11 and you set the year. You'd have to do the same with the month and date, hour and minute. The second usually sets as a result of you setting the minute, but you should at least get within a minute. I don't like doing stuff like this either, so don't beat me up. It's just a thought. I don't have mine yet. If the world was perfect, you could set the clock via the USB port and be done with it. I sure hope it does have some sort of keep-alive voltage like a supercap so we don't have to go through this with every battery change. We will also have to add or subtract an hour twice a year for Daylight Saving time, AKA, Summer Time. "Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith" writes: > No, you couldn't do that because you'd never know what it was actually > set too when you start. Maybe you could set the date, if it does start > from a specific date; I will have to check that. > That's exactly what Gordon just suggested. The recorder is stored away in > his carry-case with some other equipment at the moment. But tomorrow I'll > check into this and let you know. Like many have said, it is not a show stopper at all, but leave it to me to make something complicated out of it. Martin From lynne at mac-access.net Wed Jan 26 22:39:12 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 22:39:12 +0000 Subject: Zoom H1 Impressions In-Reply-To: <201101262154.p0QLs5nF069106@x.it.okstate.edu> References: <201101262154.p0QLs5nF069106@x.it.okstate.edu> Message-ID: <80DAE7DF-FDBE-44C8-A81A-91AB72D1C9C8@mac-access.net> Hello Martin On 26 Jan 2011, at 21:54, Martin McCormick wrote: > ? If you still have some files from before you set the clock, see what their date is. The oldest file will probably have been made a few minutes after the first battery was > inserted. I would not be surprised if it doesn't show a date of January 1, someyear at Midnight + a few seconds or minutes depending on how much time elapsed between putting in the > battery and making your recording. > No, we inserted the battery a good while ago and, for reasons of space, (we currently only have a 2GB micro-SD card), we delete each file when we have done with it. So it's difficult to know what happens. But I will check it tomorrow when I actually try setting the time and date. When I do I will remove the battery, see what happens. > ? If all the first files show the same time, that would mean that the recorder knows that nobody has set the clock yet so it isn't counting. That would be great for us because you would know it was some known value. > I'll do some tests and let you know. But it seems to me that even though you can manipulate files on your computer once created, the correct time and date is still important because then you can accurately tell which recording is which. The reason for this is that the files are automatically named "Zoom001.wav" "Zoom002.wav", etc. assuming that your default format is wave and not MP3 in which case, of course, you make the appropriate assumption. > ? More likely, it comes to life as soon as you install a good battery or connect the USB to a powered USB port. This is a moving target but you could get an accurate time source such as > from a radio or your computer and make a recording at exactly some known time. If your recording was made at ten P.M., today, and the time stamp on that particular file is January 1, 2001 at Midnight, you would have to advance the year while saying, 02 03 > 04, etc until you hit 11 and you set the year. You'd have to do the same with the month and date, hour and minute. The second usually sets as a result of you setting the minute, but you > should at least get within a minute. > I think you're over-analising here Martin. This really isn't as complex an issue as all that. Let's see what I find tomorrow when I play around with the date/time settings and then I am sure we can find a work-around between us once we know what we're dealing with. At the moment, it's all if's and buts. Lynne From marrie12 at gmail.com Thu Jan 27 00:18:45 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 16:18:45 -0800 Subject: How to tell what someone's logged in to by their HTTP codes Message-ID: <676E6744-08AB-41AD-825A-FEE05A8861F0@gmail.com> This was both an amazing and scary read. What can hackers use this for? read more: http://bit.ly/h7nCni From marrie12 at gmail.com Thu Jan 27 01:06:08 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 17:06:08 -0800 Subject: Zoom H1 Impressions In-Reply-To: <80DAE7DF-FDBE-44C8-A81A-91AB72D1C9C8@mac-access.net> References: <201101262154.p0QLs5nF069106@x.it.okstate.edu> <80DAE7DF-FDBE-44C8-A81A-91AB72D1C9C8@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <6FF3333A-56BD-4CA1-BD7E-F78291E39432@gmail.com> don't the menues rap as well. If htey include an indicater beap you could hear some how that would be nice at least so you know if you reach the top and bottom of the scale. S On Jan 26, 2011, at 2:39 PM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hello Martin > > On 26 Jan 2011, at 21:54, Martin McCormick wrote: > >> ? If you still have some files from before you set the clock, see what their date is. The oldest file will probably have been made a few minutes after the first battery was >> inserted. I would not be surprised if it doesn't show a date of January 1, someyear at Midnight + a few seconds or minutes depending on how much time elapsed between putting in the >> battery and making your recording. >> > No, we inserted the battery a good while ago and, for reasons of space, (we currently only have a 2GB micro-SD card), we delete each file when we have done with it. > > So it's difficult to know what happens. But I will check it tomorrow when I actually try setting the time and date. When I do I will remove the battery, see what happens. > >> ? If all the first files show the same time, that would mean that the recorder knows that nobody has set the clock yet so it isn't counting. That would be great for us because you would know it was some known value. >> > I'll do some tests and let you know. But it seems to me that even though you can manipulate files on your computer once created, the correct time and date is still important because then you can accurately tell which recording is which. The reason for this is that the files are automatically named "Zoom001.wav" "Zoom002.wav", etc. assuming that your default format is wave and not MP3 in which case, of course, you make the appropriate assumption. > >> ? More likely, it comes to life as soon as you install a good battery or connect the USB to a powered USB port. This is a moving target but you could get an accurate time source such as >> from a radio or your computer and make a recording at exactly some known time. If your recording was made at ten P.M., today, and the time stamp on that particular file is January 1, 2001 at Midnight, you would have to advance the year while saying, 02 03 >> 04, etc until you hit 11 and you set the year. You'd have to do the same with the month and date, hour and minute. The second usually sets as a result of you setting the minute, but you >> should at least get within a minute. >> > I think you're over-analising here Martin. This really isn't as complex an issue as all that. Let's see what I find tomorrow when I play around with the date/time settings and then I am sure we can find a work-around between us once we know what we're dealing with. At the moment, it's all if's and buts. > > Lynne > > _______________________________________________ > > The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free > > To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: > http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html > From marrie12 at gmail.com Thu Jan 27 01:20:58 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 17:20:58 -0800 Subject: Facebook selling user content to advertisers Message-ID: <28AEF4C3-2ACF-40E0-B7F6-9F6C7E07D548@gmail.com> *January 26, 2011 8:21 AM PST Facebook selling user content to advertisers Your Facebook content may soon find its way into ads on the social network. Facebook unveiled details yesterday about a new advertising initiative called Sponsored Stories. The effort allows advertisers to find mentions of their brands--either through Places check-ins, recommendations in a news feed, likes, or actions in a Facebook application--and repurpose them as advertisements on the site. Screenshot of Facebook's video featuring Sponsored Stories. Screenshot of Facebook's video featuring Sponsored Stories. (Credit: Screenshot by Don Reisinger/CNET) Facebook said that if a person currently checks in at a respective company's store or "likes" a brand page, the action often gets lost amid all the other content a user's friends may see. Sponsored Stories solves that problem for advertisers by plucking valuable content from user news feeds and making it more readily noticeable to others. Facebook is charging advertisers on a CPC and CPM basis. The company was also quick to point out that at no time will it make a user's personal information available in a Sponsored Story. The Sponsored Stories, which kicked off yesterday for Facebook's "premium" advertisers, will be labeled and viewable only to the content creator's friends, Facebook noted. The service will respect a person's privacy settings. However, Facebook users won't be able to opt out of the service. That's somewhat surprising, since Facebook users can modify their inclusion in the company's existing Social Ads by letting their social actions be included in a marketer's ad on the site and be shown to friends--or opt out. In a video, Facebook talks up the word-of-mouth aspect of Sponsored Stories. The company said people want to know what their friends care about and that friends' opinions have more authority than a simple ad from a company trying to market its products. "When we make decisions about the products we want to buy, the places we want to go, we're basically looking for cues from our friends about what those things should be," Facebook product manager Kent Schoen said in the video. "And all of us aren't out there trying to market ourselves or trying to influence people to go somewhere or do something. But the reality is, when we make a decision, we're looking for information. And we want that information to come from people we trust." Inevitably, comparisons will be drawn between Sponsored Stories and Twitter's Promoted Tweets. At first glance, they are somewhat similar because they both use content on the respective social networks. However, unlike Sponsored Stories, Promoted Tweets feature content created by marketers, which is then advertised on the site. Even without help from Sponsored Stories, Facebook's advertising revenue continues to grow by leaps and bounds. According to a study released earlier this week by research firm eMarketer, the social network generated more than $1.8 billion in ad revenue last year. The research firm expects that figure to jump to $4.05 billion this year and reach more than $5.7 billion in 2011. Updated at 12:01 p.m. PT to include more details on Sponsored Stories. Don Reisinger Full Profile E-mail Don Reisinger Don Reisinger is a technology columnist who has written about everything from HDTVs to computers to Flowbee Haircut Systems. Don is a member of the CNET Blog Network, posting at The Digital Home. He is not an employee of CNET. Disclosure. * -- From grtdane at internode.on.net Thu Jan 27 02:07:12 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 13:07:12 +1100 Subject: Zoom H1 Impressions In-Reply-To: References: <9CA50180-E3E9-4707-A032-A7AA0C42B7B4@mac-access.net> <606F606C-F347-4618-B020-F810C4FE15AA@internode.on.net> Message-ID: Exactly, no fuss whatever, the Zoom H1 is designed to record audio quickly and do it damn well. On 27/01/2011, at 6:02 AM, Chris Moore wrote: > Thanks guys, it sounds like what I am after, no fuss just buttons and quick. > > Chris > On 26 Jan 2011, at 18:47, Dane Trethowan wrote: > >> Howdy! >> >> If I may answer the question, just simple buttons and no menus. >> >> There are a couple of things you need to be careful of however, you can easily change the sample rate by pressing the fast-forward and rewind buttons whilst in "Standby" mode, by default the H1 is in 44.1KHZ and the top sampling rate is 96KHZ 24-bit so whatever happens you're still going to get a quality recording. >> >> You can access other options by holding various buttons down when the unit is powered up for example, holding the "Erase" button when powering up the unit puts the H1 into the "Format SD card" mode, pressing the "record" button confirms the format. >> >> Holding down the "Record" button when powering up the unit puts the H1 into the "Date/time" setting mode, I don't need nor use this function as I can manipulate all that on the computer, the H1 doesn't have a clock so the date/time function is used to stamp the files the unit creates. >> >> Erasing files is easy, locate the track you wish to erase in playback and press the "Erase" button when you've located what you want to be rid of, press "Record" to confirm. >> >> I've ben using the Zoom H1 now for just over 3 months for every day of that time, I would suggest that if you're going to look at one of these units then you get yourself a half dozen or so chargible batteries, Sanyo seem to make the most durable right now, they can be stored and used when required, they hold 80% of their charge for around 12 months. >> >> On 27/01/2011, at 4:20 AM, Chris Moore wrote: >> >>> Lynne, >>> >>> I have never used this device. How easy is it to use? Is it just simple buttons or is there a menu system to drive it? Has Gordon got any plans to do a Podcast on it? >>> >>> Thanks >>> >>> Chris >>> On 26 Jan 2011, at 17:15, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: >>> >>>> Hello everybody >>>> >>>> Today Gordon and I attended a major meeting relevant to his work. We decided to record the meeting using the Zoom H1 so that Gordon could use his laptop for referring to materials he needed as part of the discussion, without interfering with the recording as it would have done had he been using speech. >>>> >>>> Anyway, the issue here is the performance of the Zoom H1. Gordon and I listened to some of the recording when we got back home about half an hour ago. The results we obtained from the H1 are nothing short of spectacular! >>>> >>>> I transferred the recording on to our computer and listened to it through a set of external speakers. The stereo separation is excellent, you really get a feeling for who was sitting where in relation to the microphones. >>>> >>>> We were also very pleasantly surprised by the sensitivity of the microphones, and the signal to noise ratio. Using the preset manual recording levels, (not with AGC), we can hear every key press of everybody who was using laptops or other devices in the room. There were actually four people, including the secretary who was recording the notes so that she could type up the minutes of the meeting, and Gordon, plus 2 other employees all using laptops. >>>> >>>> The H1 picked up absolutely every sound and we are extremely impressed, and pleased with its performance. What an amazing little device that is for the price of it. Well worth the ?89.99 we paid for it. >>>> >>>> Lynne >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> >>>> The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free >>>> >>>> To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat >>>> >>>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: >>>> http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free >>> >>> To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: >>> http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free >> >> To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: >> http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html >> > > > _______________________________________________ > > The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free > > To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: > http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html > From grtdane at internode.on.net Thu Jan 27 02:12:29 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 13:12:29 +1100 Subject: Zoom H1 Impressions In-Reply-To: <201101262004.p0QK4qeE068209@x.it.okstate.edu> References: <201101262004.p0QK4qeE068209@x.it.okstate.edu> Message-ID: Yep, if you don't replace the battery within 3 minutes or if the battery is completely drained then the clock of the H1 will reset and it starts from a default point, I think its January 1 2003. On 27/01/2011, at 7:04 AM, Martin McCormick wrote: > "Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith" writes: >> Yes, I've set the date and time on >> ours because it will help when determining which recording is which. > > Does the clock loose its setting when you replace the > battery? This sounds like a strange question, but if you don't > set the date and time, does it just start counting from Midnight > of some date and year when the battery is installed? > > There might be a way for a blind person to set it if you > could start from some known point. > > Some devices like video recorders have a device called a > supercap or super capacitor which is almost like a re-chargeable > battery that will keep just the clock going for maybe 15 to 30 > minutes while you change batteries so you don't have to reset it > every time. Wait too long and even the supercap runs out of > steam. > _______________________________________________ > > The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free > > To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: > http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html > From grtdane at internode.on.net Thu Jan 27 02:16:01 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 13:16:01 +1100 Subject: Zoom H1 Impressions In-Reply-To: <76227BB1-6070-4E20-BC57-5BCA9F5C79DD@gmail.com> References: <9CA50180-E3E9-4707-A032-A7AA0C42B7B4@mac-access.net> <76227BB1-6070-4E20-BC57-5BCA9F5C79DD@gmail.com> Message-ID: <6E973B2C-26D8-4F32-B5DE-C2DA0E84E692@internode.on.net> Well Neil does a wonderful job with everything he reviews, all the practical stuff one needs to know and very detailed audio wise . He reviewed the Sony PCMD50, in my view the best audio recorder there has ever been but unfortunately we can't get it in Australia, Sony refuse to import the beast. On 27/01/2011, at 8:24 AM, Sarah Alawami wrote: > There's a podcast on it at http://blindcooltech.com. Neil Eurs does a wonderful job at it. > > S > On Jan 26, 2011, at 9:20 AM, Chris Moore wrote: > >> Lynne, >> >> I have never used this device. How easy is it to use? Is it just simple buttons or is there a menu system to drive it? Has Gordon got any plans to do a Podcast on it? >> >> Thanks >> >> Chris >> On 26 Jan 2011, at 17:15, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: >> >>> Hello everybody >>> >>> Today Gordon and I attended a major meeting relevant to his work. We decided to record the meeting using the Zoom H1 so that Gordon could use his laptop for referring to materials he needed as part of the discussion, without interfering with the recording as it would have done had he been using speech. >>> >>> Anyway, the issue here is the performance of the Zoom H1. Gordon and I listened to some of the recording when we got back home about half an hour ago. The results we obtained from the H1 are nothing short of spectacular! >>> >>> I transferred the recording on to our computer and listened to it through a set of external speakers. The stereo separation is excellent, you really get a feeling for who was sitting where in relation to the microphones. >>> >>> We were also very pleasantly surprised by the sensitivity of the microphones, and the signal to noise ratio. Using the preset manual recording levels, (not with AGC), we can hear every key press of everybody who was using laptops or other devices in the room. There were actually four people, including the secretary who was recording the notes so that she could type up the minutes of the meeting, and Gordon, plus 2 other employees all using laptops. >>> >>> The H1 picked up absolutely every sound and we are extremely impressed, and pleased with its performance. What an amazing little device that is for the price of it. Well worth the ?89.99 we paid for it. >>> >>> Lynne >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free >>> >>> To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: >>> http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free >> >> To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: >> http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html >> > > _______________________________________________ > > The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free > > To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: > http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html > From grtdane at internode.on.net Thu Jan 27 02:19:35 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 13:19:35 +1100 Subject: Zoom H1 Impressions In-Reply-To: <4CDACB5A-6477-49EC-AE81-87CAD1E2650B@gmail.com> References: <9CA50180-E3E9-4707-A032-A7AA0C42B7B4@mac-access.net> <24DA1594-E4EE-4A0E-8902-A4B1F6D0D6F1@internode.on.net> <4CDACB5A-6477-49EC-AE81-87CAD1E2650B@gmail.com> Message-ID: <29E4B0A8-C71B-43EB-97FA-9B1916EC8CE7@internode.on.net> Yep, Olympus is a good voice recorder but that's as far as it goes, can't do higher sampling rates than 44.1KHZ as far as I know, the Olympus and the Zoom are 2 entirely different beasts. Yes I grant you, the Olympus talks but I come back to the question, why should anyone pay extra for a device which talks and actually isn't as good a quality as a device which doesn't talk - in this case the Zoom H1 -, as we've demonstrated quite clearly on list the Zoom H1 is perfectly usable for a lot less money than any of the Olympus recorders. On 27/01/2011, at 8:26 AM, Sarah Alawami wrote: > I'll still stick with my olympus. it is small enough to fit in my pocket and most people think its a cell phone and it does well wiht my class lectures and does very well in my pocket if i'm not moving. Granted the zoom has better handling noise or less of it what ever you want too look at it as but the buttons on the olympus are way easier for me to feel. > > S > On Jan 26, 2011, at 10:41 AM, Dane Trethowan wrote: > >> Forgive me but now you know why I still keep writing about the Zoom H1 and I still wonder why people go on about the Zoom H1 not being accessible whereas the more expensive Olympus recorders are and they talk? Well folks, quality is the issue here and the below sets the example. >> >> I've said it before and I'll gladly say it again, if you can operate a desktop cassette recorder then you can operate a Zoom H1, accessibility doesn't come into play here. Yes its a shame perhaps that a person without vision can't see the screen but there are many devices we access in our own homes now that have a screen we can't read - LCD televisions being one case in point - and we still manage. >> >> The Zoom H1 is far from perfect and I'ld like to see a few things added such as the ability to use the H1 as a sound device when connected to a computer, file splitting after a preset duration of time etc but at least the software can be updated so its quite possible that other features may be introduced as time goes on. >> >> >> On 27/01/2011, at 4:15 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: >> >>> Hello everybody >>> >>> Today Gordon and I attended a major meeting relevant to his work. We decided to record the meeting using the Zoom H1 so that Gordon could use his laptop for referring to materials he needed as part of the discussion, without interfering with the recording as it would have done had he been using speech. >>> >>> Anyway, the issue here is the performance of the Zoom H1. Gordon and I listened to some of the recording when we got back home about half an hour ago. The results we obtained from the H1 are nothing short of spectacular! >>> >>> I transferred the recording on to our computer and listened to it through a set of external speakers. The stereo separation is excellent, you really get a feeling for who was sitting where in relation to the microphones. >>> >>> We were also very pleasantly surprised by the sensitivity of the microphones, and the signal to noise ratio. Using the preset manual recording levels, (not with AGC), we can hear every key press of everybody who was using laptops or other devices in the room. There were actually four people, including the secretary who was recording the notes so that she could type up the minutes of the meeting, and Gordon, plus 2 other employees all using laptops. >>> >>> The H1 picked up absolutely every sound and we are extremely impressed, and pleased with its performance. What an amazing little device that is for the price of it. Well worth the ?89.99 we paid for it. >>> >>> Lynne >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free >>> >>> To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: >>> http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free >> >> To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: >> http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html >> > > _______________________________________________ > > The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free > > To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: > http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html > From marrie12 at gmail.com Thu Jan 27 04:48:02 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 20:48:02 -0800 Subject: Google implements broad ban on word "torrent" in it's search engine autocomplete and suggestions Message-ID: <3830D569-28EE-4B81-8ADE-62BB6C9706A1@gmail.com> Is google going too far? read on: http://bit.ly/hqqJvl From gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk Thu Jan 27 11:37:41 2011 From: gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk (Gordon Smith) Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 11:37:41 +0000 Subject: Zoom H1 Impressions In-Reply-To: <6FF3333A-56BD-4CA1-BD7E-F78291E39432@gmail.com> References: <201101262154.p0QLs5nF069106@x.it.okstate.edu> <80DAE7DF-FDBE-44C8-A81A-91AB72D1C9C8@mac-access.net> <6FF3333A-56BD-4CA1-BD7E-F78291E39432@gmail.com> Message-ID: <2ECD7014-94A2-47D7-ABCC-571C3DF2CE63@tft-bbs.co.uk> Hi Sarah I'm not sure what you mean by menus. The H1 is not menu-based. That said, we haven't yet played around with the settings of gain, sampling, etc. But as I understand it, it is just a matter of pressing a toggle button or switch. On 27 Jan 2011, at 01:06, Sarah Alawami wrote: > don't the menues rap as well. If htey include an indicater beap you could hear some how that would be nice at least so you know if you reach the top and bottom of the scale. From gordon at mac-access.net Thu Jan 27 12:15:52 2011 From: gordon at mac-access.net (Gordon Smith) Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 12:15:52 +0000 Subject: Sony digital recorder; just out of interest Message-ID: <13F1140C-D690-4877-BD65-10357616B23D@mac-access.net> Hi Just out of interest, I looked for the Sony PCME50 but couldn't find it. I found the PCMD50 so is that the model Dane was referring too? From grtdane at internode.on.net Thu Jan 27 13:39:25 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 00:39:25 +1100 Subject: Sony digital recorder; just out of interest In-Reply-To: <13F1140C-D690-4877-BD65-10357616B23D@mac-access.net> References: <13F1140C-D690-4877-BD65-10357616B23D@mac-access.net> Message-ID: I've not heard of that one so can't comment, can you give me some of the specs of the unit? I can tell you if its similar or not. The only problem with the PCMD50 was as I recall, you had to use Memory stick but having said that the unit had 4GB of memory built-in. The auto level control was far more advanced than any audio recorder I've sen and that includes my Zoom H4, the PCMD50 would sample the level ahead and adjust accordingly thus you wouldn't know the level had been adjusted upon playback of your recording. On 27/01/2011, at 11:15 PM, Gordon Smith wrote: > Hi > > Just out of interest, I looked for the Sony PCME50 but couldn't find it. I found the PCMD50 so is that the model Dane was referring too? > > _______________________________________________ > > The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free > > To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: > http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html > From grtdane at internode.on.net Thu Jan 27 13:36:26 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 00:36:26 +1100 Subject: Zoom H1 Impressions In-Reply-To: <2ECD7014-94A2-47D7-ABCC-571C3DF2CE63@tft-bbs.co.uk> References: <201101262154.p0QLs5nF069106@x.it.okstate.edu> <80DAE7DF-FDBE-44C8-A81A-91AB72D1C9C8@mac-access.net> <6FF3333A-56BD-4CA1-BD7E-F78291E39432@gmail.com> <2ECD7014-94A2-47D7-ABCC-571C3DF2CE63@tft-bbs.co.uk> Message-ID: The gain is controlled by buttons on each side of the unit, one side for input and the other side for output. Sampling rate is controlled by the fast-forward and rewind buttons whilst the H1 is in standby so no menu system anywhere. On 27/01/2011, at 10:37 PM, Gordon Smith wrote: > Hi Sarah > > I'm not sure what you mean by menus. The H1 is not menu-based. That said, we haven't yet played around with the settings of gain, sampling, etc. But as I understand it, it is just a matter of pressing a toggle button or switch. > > On 27 Jan 2011, at 01:06, Sarah Alawami wrote: > >> don't the menues rap as well. If htey include an indicater beap you could hear some how that would be nice at least so you know if you reach the top and bottom of the scale. > > _______________________________________________ > > The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free > > To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: > http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html > From gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk Thu Jan 27 13:49:29 2011 From: gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk (Gordon Smith) Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 13:49:29 +0000 Subject: Sony digital recorder; just out of interest In-Reply-To: References: <13F1140C-D690-4877-BD65-10357616B23D@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <8AC6ABA2-6A3B-4AF1-ACD8-D7BC39ED5570@tft-bbs.co.uk> We are both talking about the same model. I just misread the display and I thought you had said E50, not D50. I can't even find any references in the UK to the D50 so maybe it's a US and Canada only model. Gordon On 27 Jan 2011, at 13:39, Dane Trethowan wrote: > I've not heard of that one so can't comment, can you give me some of the specs of the unit? I can tell you if its similar or not. > > The only problem with the PCMD50 was as I recall, you had to use Memory stick but having said that the unit had 4GB of memory built-in. > > The auto level control was far more advanced than any audio recorder I've sen and that includes my Zoom H4, the PCMD50 would sample the level ahead and adjust accordingly thus you wouldn't know the level had been adjusted upon playback of your recording. From grtdane at internode.on.net Thu Jan 27 13:57:12 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 00:57:12 +1100 Subject: Sony digital recorder; just out of interest In-Reply-To: <8AC6ABA2-6A3B-4AF1-ACD8-D7BC39ED5570@tft-bbs.co.uk> References: <13F1140C-D690-4877-BD65-10357616B23D@mac-access.net> <8AC6ABA2-6A3B-4AF1-ACD8-D7BC39ED5570@tft-bbs.co.uk> Message-ID: Quite possible, that's the sort of thing Sony seems to do these days. On 28/01/2011, at 12:49 AM, Gordon Smith wrote: > We are both talking about the same model. I just misread the display and I thought you had said E50, not D50. > > I can't even find any references in the UK to the D50 so maybe it's a US and Canada only model. > Gordon > > On 27 Jan 2011, at 13:39, Dane Trethowan wrote: > >> I've not heard of that one so can't comment, can you give me some of the specs of the unit? I can tell you if its similar or not. >> >> The only problem with the PCMD50 was as I recall, you had to use Memory stick but having said that the unit had 4GB of memory built-in. >> >> The auto level control was far more advanced than any audio recorder I've sen and that includes my Zoom H4, the PCMD50 would sample the level ahead and adjust accordingly thus you wouldn't know the level had been adjusted upon playback of your recording. > > _______________________________________________ > > The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free > > To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: > http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html > From gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk Thu Jan 27 14:01:29 2011 From: gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk (Gordon Smith) Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 14:01:29 +0000 Subject: Sony digital recorder; just out of interest In-Reply-To: References: <13F1140C-D690-4877-BD65-10357616B23D@mac-access.net> <8AC6ABA2-6A3B-4AF1-ACD8-D7BC39ED5570@tft-bbs.co.uk> Message-ID: <14142585-B157-43D3-8E51-08F8EFBBD222@tft-bbs.co.uk> I found it. Specs look excellent, but the price is over 400 Pounds. Not something I would consider at the moment. On 27 Jan 2011, at 13:57, Dane Trethowan wrote: > Quite possible, that's the sort of thing Sony seems to do these days. > > > On 28/01/2011, at 12:49 AM, Gordon Smith wrote: > >> We are both talking about the same model. I just misread the display and I thought you had said E50, not D50. >> >> I can't even find any references in the UK to the D50 so maybe it's a US and Canada only model. >> Gordon >> >> On 27 Jan 2011, at 13:39, Dane Trethowan wrote: >> >>> I've not heard of that one so can't comment, can you give me some of the specs of the unit? I can tell you if its similar or not. >>> >>> The only problem with the PCMD50 was as I recall, you had to use Memory stick but having said that the unit had 4GB of memory built-in. >>> >>> The auto level control was far more advanced than any audio recorder I've sen and that includes my Zoom H4, the PCMD50 would sample the level ahead and adjust accordingly thus you wouldn't know the level had been adjusted upon playback of your recording. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free >> >> To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: >> http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html >> > > _______________________________________________ > > The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free > > To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: > http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html > From grtdane at internode.on.net Thu Jan 27 14:37:25 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 01:37:25 +1100 Subject: Sony digital recorder; just out of interest In-Reply-To: <14142585-B157-43D3-8E51-08F8EFBBD222@tft-bbs.co.uk> References: <13F1140C-D690-4877-BD65-10357616B23D@mac-access.net> <8AC6ABA2-6A3B-4AF1-ACD8-D7BC39ED5570@tft-bbs.co.uk> <14142585-B157-43D3-8E51-08F8EFBBD222@tft-bbs.co.uk> Message-ID: <20FFFF8E-D2D4-4C61-B836-1D08D6CCB11B@internode.on.net> Yep, they're not cheap , if I knew someone in Australia who had them then I'd certainly be saving. On 28/01/2011, at 1:01 AM, Gordon Smith wrote: > I found it. Specs look excellent, but the price is over 400 Pounds. Not something I would consider at the moment. > > > On 27 Jan 2011, at 13:57, Dane Trethowan wrote: > >> Quite possible, that's the sort of thing Sony seems to do these days. >> >> >> On 28/01/2011, at 12:49 AM, Gordon Smith wrote: >> >>> We are both talking about the same model. I just misread the display and I thought you had said E50, not D50. >>> >>> I can't even find any references in the UK to the D50 so maybe it's a US and Canada only model. >>> Gordon >>> >>> On 27 Jan 2011, at 13:39, Dane Trethowan wrote: >>> >>>> I've not heard of that one so can't comment, can you give me some of the specs of the unit? I can tell you if its similar or not. >>>> >>>> The only problem with the PCMD50 was as I recall, you had to use Memory stick but having said that the unit had 4GB of memory built-in. >>>> >>>> The auto level control was far more advanced than any audio recorder I've sen and that includes my Zoom H4, the PCMD50 would sample the level ahead and adjust accordingly thus you wouldn't know the level had been adjusted upon playback of your recording. >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free >>> >>> To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: >>> http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free >> >> To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: >> http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html >> > > _______________________________________________ > > The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free > > To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: > http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html > From martin at x.it.okstate.edu Thu Jan 27 15:08:05 2011 From: martin at x.it.okstate.edu (Martin McCormick) Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 09:08:05 -0600 Subject: Zoom H1 Impressions Message-ID: <201101271508.p0RF85BV075465@x.it.okstate.edu> I listened to that podcast yesterday and thought Neil did a great job. If I had made that same recording of street noise on my street, it would have gone something like: I'm standing out in my front yard at 3 O'clock in the morning and those kids next door are just getting started really good. The built-in microphones pick up every note they are trying to sing plus the melodious tinkle of breaking bottles on the pavement. You can probably tell the difference between the beer bottles which are made of a poor grade of glass and the whisky jugs which being larger and heavier demonstrate a wider frequency range as they shatter. Notice the separation as a girl who is cursing some guy has wandered some distance in to the street away from the rest of them. The police have now shown up and everything is magically quiet. The 4 car stereos each playing something different have all shut off simultaneously. Note the complete lack of background noise except for the occasional radio communications coming from the police car and the sounds of crickets. The sound pickup in Neil's demo makes you feel like you are there. The little motorcycle you can hear going past makes me almost smell the sweet odor of the gasoline and oil mix that goes in a 2-cycle engine which that sounded like it may have been. It is hard to get good recording of those type sounds and it appears that the Zoom did a good job. Dane Trethowan writes: > Well Neil does a wonderful job with everything he reviews, all the > practical stuff one needs to know and very detailed audio wise . > > He reviewed the Sony PCMD50, in my view the best audio recorder there has > ever been but unfortunately we can't get it in Australia, Sony refuse to > import the beast. From marrie12 at gmail.com Thu Jan 27 20:38:10 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 12:38:10 -0800 Subject: Zoom H1 Impressions In-Reply-To: <29E4B0A8-C71B-43EB-97FA-9B1916EC8CE7@internode.on.net> References: <9CA50180-E3E9-4707-A032-A7AA0C42B7B4@mac-access.net> <24DA1594-E4EE-4A0E-8902-A4B1F6D0D6F1@internode.on.net> <4CDACB5A-6477-49EC-AE81-87CAD1E2650B@gmail.com> <29E4B0A8-C71B-43EB-97FA-9B1916EC8CE7@internode.on.net> Message-ID: <2B3164C8-EA79-44FA-8CE6-860BFE281DDF@gmail.com> That's true but the olympus just is smaller in my opinion and i use it a lot for stelth like stuff. I've picked up stuff from behind walls and more. I also use it to record my podcasts wherein I travel an I love the sound of it as a mic. The oom is in my opinion a bit too hissy in my opinion and it cannot record in wma. S On Jan 26, 2011, at 6:19 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote: > Yep, Olympus is a good voice recorder but that's as far as it goes, can't do higher sampling rates than 44.1KHZ as far as I know, the Olympus and the Zoom are 2 entirely different beasts. > > Yes I grant you, the Olympus talks but I come back to the question, why should anyone pay extra for a device which talks and actually isn't as good a quality as a device which doesn't talk - in this case the Zoom H1 -, as we've demonstrated quite clearly on list the Zoom H1 is perfectly usable for a lot less money than any of the Olympus recorders. > > > On 27/01/2011, at 8:26 AM, Sarah Alawami wrote: > >> I'll still stick with my olympus. it is small enough to fit in my pocket and most people think its a cell phone and it does well wiht my class lectures and does very well in my pocket if i'm not moving. Granted the zoom has better handling noise or less of it what ever you want too look at it as but the buttons on the olympus are way easier for me to feel. >> >> S >> On Jan 26, 2011, at 10:41 AM, Dane Trethowan wrote: >> >>> Forgive me but now you know why I still keep writing about the Zoom H1 and I still wonder why people go on about the Zoom H1 not being accessible whereas the more expensive Olympus recorders are and they talk? Well folks, quality is the issue here and the below sets the example. >>> >>> I've said it before and I'll gladly say it again, if you can operate a desktop cassette recorder then you can operate a Zoom H1, accessibility doesn't come into play here. Yes its a shame perhaps that a person without vision can't see the screen but there are many devices we access in our own homes now that have a screen we can't read - LCD televisions being one case in point - and we still manage. >>> >>> The Zoom H1 is far from perfect and I'ld like to see a few things added such as the ability to use the H1 as a sound device when connected to a computer, file splitting after a preset duration of time etc but at least the software can be updated so its quite possible that other features may be introduced as time goes on. >>> >>> >>> On 27/01/2011, at 4:15 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: >>> >>>> Hello everybody >>>> >>>> Today Gordon and I attended a major meeting relevant to his work. We decided to record the meeting using the Zoom H1 so that Gordon could use his laptop for referring to materials he needed as part of the discussion, without interfering with the recording as it would have done had he been using speech. >>>> >>>> Anyway, the issue here is the performance of the Zoom H1. Gordon and I listened to some of the recording when we got back home about half an hour ago. The results we obtained from the H1 are nothing short of spectacular! >>>> >>>> I transferred the recording on to our computer and listened to it through a set of external speakers. The stereo separation is excellent, you really get a feeling for who was sitting where in relation to the microphones. >>>> >>>> We were also very pleasantly surprised by the sensitivity of the microphones, and the signal to noise ratio. Using the preset manual recording levels, (not with AGC), we can hear every key press of everybody who was using laptops or other devices in the room. There were actually four people, including the secretary who was recording the notes so that she could type up the minutes of the meeting, and Gordon, plus 2 other employees all using laptops. >>>> >>>> The H1 picked up absolutely every sound and we are extremely impressed, and pleased with its performance. What an amazing little device that is for the price of it. Well worth the ?89.99 we paid for it. >>>> >>>> Lynne >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> >>>> The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free >>>> >>>> To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat >>>> >>>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: >>>> http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free >>> >>> To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: >>> http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free >> >> To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: >> http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html >> > > _______________________________________________ > > The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free > > To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: > http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html > From marrie12 at gmail.com Thu Jan 27 20:38:46 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 12:38:46 -0800 Subject: Zoom H1 Impressions In-Reply-To: <2ECD7014-94A2-47D7-ABCC-571C3DF2CE63@tft-bbs.co.uk> References: <201101262154.p0QLs5nF069106@x.it.okstate.edu> <80DAE7DF-FDBE-44C8-A81A-91AB72D1C9C8@mac-access.net> <6FF3333A-56BD-4CA1-BD7E-F78291E39432@gmail.com> <2ECD7014-94A2-47D7-ABCC-571C3DF2CE63@tft-bbs.co.uk> Message-ID: the time menues rap though and I believe the quality and the bitrate rap as well. S On Jan 27, 2011, at 3:37 AM, Gordon Smith wrote: > Hi Sarah > > I'm not sure what you mean by menus. The H1 is not menu-based. That said, we haven't yet played around with the settings of gain, sampling, etc. But as I understand it, it is just a matter of pressing a toggle button or switch. > > On 27 Jan 2011, at 01:06, Sarah Alawami wrote: > >> don't the menues rap as well. If htey include an indicater beap you could hear some how that would be nice at least so you know if you reach the top and bottom of the scale. > > _______________________________________________ > > The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free > > To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: > http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html > From marrie12 at gmail.com Thu Jan 27 20:40:02 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 12:40:02 -0800 Subject: Zoom H1 Impressions In-Reply-To: <201101271508.p0RF85BV075465@x.it.okstate.edu> References: <201101271508.p0RF85BV075465@x.it.okstate.edu> Message-ID: <30A11340-5439-4AEF-92D7-FB879EEAC115@gmail.com> Actually I could not tell the stereo sepration in the zoom except hwen he played music. Odd eh. On Jan 27, 2011, at 7:08 AM, Martin McCormick wrote: > I listened to that podcast yesterday and thought Neil > did a great job. > > If I had made that same recording of street noise on my > street, it would have gone something like: > > I'm standing out in my front yard at 3 O'clock in the > morning and those kids next door are just getting started really > good. The built-in microphones pick up every note they are > trying to sing plus the melodious tinkle of breaking bottles on > the pavement. You can probably tell the difference between the beer > bottles which are made of a poor grade of glass and the whisky > jugs which being larger and heavier demonstrate a wider > frequency range as they shatter. Notice the separation as a > girl who is cursing some guy has wandered some distance in to > the street away from the rest of them. > > The police have now shown up and everything is magically > quiet. The 4 car stereos each playing something different have > all shut off simultaneously. > Note the complete lack of background noise except for the > occasional radio communications coming from the police car and > the sounds of crickets. > > The sound pickup in Neil's demo makes you feel like you > are there. The little motorcycle you can hear going past makes > me almost smell the sweet odor of the gasoline and oil mix that > goes in a 2-cycle engine which that sounded like it may have > been. It is hard to get good recording of those type sounds and > it appears that the Zoom did a good job. > Dane Trethowan writes: >> Well Neil does a wonderful job with everything he reviews, all the >> practical stuff one needs to know and very detailed audio wise . >> >> He reviewed the Sony PCMD50, in my view the best audio recorder there has >> ever been but unfortunately we can't get it in Australia, Sony refuse to >> import the beast. > _______________________________________________ > > The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free > > To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: > http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html > From gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk Thu Jan 27 20:41:15 2011 From: gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk (Gordon Smith) Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 20:41:15 +0000 Subject: Zoom H1 Impressions In-Reply-To: References: <201101262154.p0QLs5nF069106@x.it.okstate.edu> <80DAE7DF-FDBE-44C8-A81A-91AB72D1C9C8@mac-access.net> <6FF3333A-56BD-4CA1-BD7E-F78291E39432@gmail.com> <2ECD7014-94A2-47D7-ABCC-571C3DF2CE63@tft-bbs.co.uk> Message-ID: Hi Sarah There are no menus. The clock scrolls. Gordon On 27 Jan 2011, at 20:38, Sarah Alawami wrote: > the time menues rap though and I believe the quality and the bitrate rap as well. From marrie12 at gmail.com Thu Jan 27 21:42:22 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 13:42:22 -0800 Subject: Zoom H1 Impressions In-Reply-To: References: <201101262154.p0QLs5nF069106@x.it.okstate.edu> <80DAE7DF-FDBE-44C8-A81A-91AB72D1C9C8@mac-access.net> <6FF3333A-56BD-4CA1-BD7E-F78291E39432@gmail.com> <2ECD7014-94A2-47D7-ABCC-571C3DF2CE63@tft-bbs.co.uk> Message-ID: <99998523-E238-432E-9331-89446D4D5CE4@gmail.com> Oh. Oops! Yeah the way neil discribed it it sounded like a menu of sourts. Thanks. On Jan 27, 2011, at 12:41 PM, Gordon Smith wrote: > Hi Sarah > > There are no menus. The clock scrolls. > > Gordon > > On 27 Jan 2011, at 20:38, Sarah Alawami wrote: > >> the time menues rap though and I believe the quality and the bitrate rap as well. > > _______________________________________________ > > The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free > > To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: > http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html > From grtdane at internode.on.net Mon Jan 31 11:12:02 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 22:12:02 +1100 Subject: NVDA Screen Reader Message-ID: <4D469902.9000408@internode.on.net> HI! We had a question on list quite some time ago regarding the syftware voice synthesisers NVDA supports, I'm looking at the web page now and I note that NVDA will support any SAPI 4 or 5 compatible voice synthesiser. I don't know much about it yet but I'm told that a new Beta of NVDA is being tested with lots of improvements for access. Cheers! From gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk Mon Jan 31 13:05:42 2011 From: gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk (Gordon Smith) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 13:05:42 +0000 Subject: NVDA Screen Reader In-Reply-To: <4D469902.9000408@internode.on.net> References: <4D469902.9000408@internode.on.net> Message-ID: <003E7493-45B8-4285-AE7E-2E13E33B3322@tft-bbs.co.uk> It's always good to see this kind of development. Although it seems that Microsoft is determined to block the Windows 7 key we bought from them and, as such, we cannot use Windows because we refuse to buy another key, but it's great that there are people out there challenging the big boys in the accessibility industry with free or reasonably priced options which the consumer can afford. The prices that people such as Freedom, Dolphin, GW Micro and even Serotech (I think that's the right spelling), are asking for their products is way beyond the reach of many consumers who are not fortunate enough to have been given funding by an agency or governmental organisation. Personally, and this is changing the topic a little bit, I believe that every visually impaired and otherwise disabled person should be entitled to assistance, either in part or in full depending upon their circumstances, to buy an accessible solution to enable them to function adequately in today's world of technology. In other words, what I'm advocating is that their respective governments should help them to become reasonably equipped to handle today's demanding life style. This doesn't necessarily have to be a computer-based solution. I'm talking about something appropriate to their disabilities. I'm not suggesting that the governments should give them the top of the range of everything, all the time. But I think that the lives of the visually impaired and otherwise disabled people could, and should be made easier by their governments. Now, I know that there are those on list who believe strongly that socialism is wrong, and I guess you could call this a kind of socialism. But currently, there are many agencies in the US who do exactly this, I believe. Anyway, getting back to the original topic. More power to the people developing NVDA. I hope they succeed in what they are aiming to achieve. Gordon On 31 Jan 2011, at 11:12, Dane Trethowan wrote: > We had a question on list quite some time ago regarding the syftware voice synthesisers NVDA supports, I'm looking at the web page now and I note that NVDA will support any SAPI 4 or 5 compatible voice synthesiser. > > I don't know much about it yet but I'm told that a new Beta of NVDA is being tested with lots of improvements for access. From moore.c at blueyonder.co.uk Mon Jan 31 14:02:01 2011 From: moore.c at blueyonder.co.uk (Chris Moore) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 14:02:01 +0000 Subject: NVDA Screen Reader In-Reply-To: <003E7493-45B8-4285-AE7E-2E13E33B3322@tft-bbs.co.uk> References: <4D469902.9000408@internode.on.net> <003E7493-45B8-4285-AE7E-2E13E33B3322@tft-bbs.co.uk> Message-ID: <97AB6F65-8BF1-4580-ACFB-2945FA44BDFF@blueyonder.co.uk> NVDA is a life saver for me when I use VM Fusion. The default voice is rather nasty, but I have heard worse. I don't have any nice voices for Windows and refuse to buy any. I also use JAWS 12 demo. Sadly I am having an issue with Adobe Acrobat and JAWS on Windows as I just can't seem to get PDF files to read to me. I can't view them natively on the Mac as they are forms. Oh and my JAWS is now announcing the time every minute, lol, not sure what I have hit for that to happen! On 31 Jan 2011, at 13:05, Gordon Smith wrote: > It's always good to see this kind of development. Although it seems that Microsoft is determined to block the Windows 7 key we bought from them and, as such, we cannot use Windows because we refuse to buy another key, but it's great that there are people out there challenging the big boys in the accessibility industry with free or reasonably priced options which the consumer can afford. > > The prices that people such as Freedom, Dolphin, GW Micro and even Serotech (I think that's the right spelling), are asking for their products is way beyond the reach of many consumers who are not fortunate enough to have been given funding by an agency or governmental organisation. > > Personally, and this is changing the topic a little bit, I believe that every visually impaired and otherwise disabled person should be entitled to assistance, either in part or in full depending upon their circumstances, to buy an accessible solution to enable them to function adequately in today's world of technology. In other words, what I'm advocating is that their respective governments should help them to become reasonably equipped to handle today's demanding life style. This doesn't necessarily have to be a computer-based solution. I'm talking about something appropriate to their disabilities. > > I'm not suggesting that the governments should give them the top of the range of everything, all the time. But I think that the lives of the visually impaired and otherwise disabled people could, and should be made easier by their governments. Now, I know that there are those on list who believe strongly that socialism is wrong, and I guess you could call this a kind of socialism. But currently, there are many agencies in the US who do exactly this, I believe. > > Anyway, getting back to the original topic. More power to the people developing NVDA. I hope they succeed in what they are aiming to achieve. > > Gordon > > On 31 Jan 2011, at 11:12, Dane Trethowan wrote: > >> We had a question on list quite some time ago regarding the syftware voice synthesisers NVDA supports, I'm looking at the web page now and I note that NVDA will support any SAPI 4 or 5 compatible voice synthesiser. >> >> I don't know much about it yet but I'm told that a new Beta of NVDA is being tested with lots of improvements for access. > > _______________________________________________ > > The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free > > To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: > http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html > From support at tft-bbs.com Mon Jan 31 15:26:04 2011 From: support at tft-bbs.com (Gordon & Lynne Smith) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 15:26:04 +0000 Subject: New Member Welcome Message-ID: <7C2EED69-6A87-4DEB-BB34-844A0E7645A1@tft-bbs.com> Hello everybody It is traditional when new members join the Techno-Chat group that Gordon and I try to welcome the new member(s) personally. In keeping with that tradition, we are delighted to welcome Rose Morales to our number. Anything related to technology is open for discussion in this group. Members frequently post links to interesting articles in this group. Whilst the primary function of Techno-chat is discussion, we recognise that these articles are often of value. That is why we encourage members to post links, rather than the full articles themselves, to the group. This way, members have the option of whether to follow up the articles, or to discard them. We hope that you will find Techno-Chat a pleasant, friendly and worthwhile place to be. if you have any list-related queries, please don't hesitate to contact either Gordon and myself, support at tft-bbs.co.uk or our very able and capable assistant list controller Mary Stores, mstores at indiana.edu and we'll be pleased to help you. Lynne From grtdane at internode.on.net Mon Jan 31 16:16:23 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2011 03:16:23 +1100 Subject: NVDA Screen Reader In-Reply-To: <003E7493-45B8-4285-AE7E-2E13E33B3322@tft-bbs.co.uk> References: <4D469902.9000408@internode.on.net> <003E7493-45B8-4285-AE7E-2E13E33B3322@tft-bbs.co.uk> Message-ID: Plenty of nodding of the head from the post below. Yes, NVDA is a Screen Reading solution available free of charge though I do donate to the project every now and then to at least put something towards the development costs, a lot of this sort of stuff is popping up now for Windows and Mac and its not limited to Screen Reading software either, take the excellent Syrinx Twitter Client, the excellent CCcleaner Windows maintenance tool for Windows etc, I think a lot of developers are realising that they're living in a big, bad and sometimes mean world so the only way to get their products noticed is to develop them and ask that if the public like what's been developped then they put their hand in their pocket a bit, yes there are a few that just want everything on the take but most people I've found to be perfectly willing to help out for a good project or course, after all I think we realise that a developer of a piece of software has to live, drink and sleep as we do but I'm rambling. Saratech had the most reasonably priced Screen reading package around and and flexible ways in which people could buy the system. For example the price of the software was $440.00, yes still a lot of money but a good deal less than competitors. Then you could rent the Screen Reading software for as long as you wished to use it for $35.00 a month, again perhaps a great choice for those who wish to trial the software for a month or two knowing that they'd get full tech support backup should they need it. Then you could buy the product over a year etc so at least an effort was made one could say but I think the point which really sold me on the System Access concept was that I'd only pay to buy the system and I'd get a lifetime of free upgrades to the Screen reader, that's the sort of support I want, either that or upgrades at a reasonable price and when reasonable I'm not talking about a few hundred which Freedom Science Fiction seem to demand, that's an outrage and I'd refuse to pay point blank no matter how good the software was. I agree with Gordon's points regarding Government or agency assistance for people with a visual impairment or other disability acquire equipment. We have a funny system here and I don't quite understand it, a blind child attending a sighted school will be given a range of equipment specific to his or her needs to help with their disability however this equipment is taken from them when they leave school and that to me presents some problems for the or young adult if you like may then be left with absolutely nothing and have to try and start all over again and if you have no money behind you? Well that's not easy, surely the child should have the chance to purchase the equipment, perhaps at a lower rate and over time. On 01/02/2011, at 12:05 AM, Gordon Smith wrote: > It's always good to see this kind of development. Although it seems that Microsoft is determined to block the Windows 7 key we bought from them and, as such, we cannot use Windows because we refuse to buy another key, but it's great that there are people out there challenging the big boys in the accessibility industry with free or reasonably priced options which the consumer can afford. > > The prices that people such as Freedom, Dolphin, GW Micro and even Serotech (I think that's the right spelling), are asking for their products is way beyond the reach of many consumers who are not fortunate enough to have been given funding by an agency or governmental organisation. > > Personally, and this is changing the topic a little bit, I believe that every visually impaired and otherwise disabled person should be entitled to assistance, either in part or in full depending upon their circumstances, to buy an accessible solution to enable them to function adequately in today's world of technology. In other words, what I'm advocating is that their respective governments should help them to become reasonably equipped to handle today's demanding life style. This doesn't necessarily have to be a computer-based solution. I'm talking about something appropriate to their disabilities. > > I'm not suggesting that the governments should give them the top of the range of everything, all the time. But I think that the lives of the visually impaired and otherwise disabled people could, and should be made easier by their governments. Now, I know that there are those on list who believe strongly that socialism is wrong, and I guess you could call this a kind of socialism. But currently, there are many agencies in the US who do exactly this, I believe. > > Anyway, getting back to the original topic. More power to the people developing NVDA. I hope they succeed in what they are aiming to achieve. > > Gordon > > On 31 Jan 2011, at 11:12, Dane Trethowan wrote: > >> We had a question on list quite some time ago regarding the syftware voice synthesisers NVDA supports, I'm looking at the web page now and I note that NVDA will support any SAPI 4 or 5 compatible voice synthesiser. >> >> I don't know much about it yet but I'm told that a new Beta of NVDA is being tested with lots of improvements for access. > > _______________________________________________ > > The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free > > To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: > http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html > From grtdane at internode.on.net Mon Jan 31 16:21:34 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2011 03:21:34 +1100 Subject: NVDA Screen Reader In-Reply-To: <97AB6F65-8BF1-4580-ACFB-2945FA44BDFF@blueyonder.co.uk> References: <4D469902.9000408@internode.on.net> <003E7493-45B8-4285-AE7E-2E13E33B3322@tft-bbs.co.uk> <97AB6F65-8BF1-4580-ACFB-2945FA44BDFF@blueyonder.co.uk> Message-ID: <3B2CB77D-7EDC-4A3E-B47F-F2CD4C034435@internode.on.net> Yep, I have a lot of trouble with the default voice, I use the Neospeech voices with NVDA, cost me a fair amount of money but they're worth every penny, only voices I've heard better are the Infovox voices. The default NVDA voice is an open source thing, its on the VINUX LINUX distribution I use as well as probably a million other things. On 01/02/2011, at 1:02 AM, Chris Moore wrote: > NVDA is a life saver for me when I use VM Fusion. The default voice is rather nasty, but I have heard worse. I don't have any nice voices for Windows and refuse to buy any. I also use JAWS 12 demo. Sadly I am having an issue with Adobe Acrobat and JAWS on Windows as I just can't seem to get PDF files to read to me. I can't view them natively on the Mac as they are forms. > > Oh and my JAWS is now announcing the time every minute, lol, not sure what I have hit for that to happen! > > On 31 Jan 2011, at 13:05, Gordon Smith wrote: > >> It's always good to see this kind of development. Although it seems that Microsoft is determined to block the Windows 7 key we bought from them and, as such, we cannot use Windows because we refuse to buy another key, but it's great that there are people out there challenging the big boys in the accessibility industry with free or reasonably priced options which the consumer can afford. >> >> The prices that people such as Freedom, Dolphin, GW Micro and even Serotech (I think that's the right spelling), are asking for their products is way beyond the reach of many consumers who are not fortunate enough to have been given funding by an agency or governmental organisation. >> >> Personally, and this is changing the topic a little bit, I believe that every visually impaired and otherwise disabled person should be entitled to assistance, either in part or in full depending upon their circumstances, to buy an accessible solution to enable them to function adequately in today's world of technology. In other words, what I'm advocating is that their respective governments should help them to become reasonably equipped to handle today's demanding life style. This doesn't necessarily have to be a computer-based solution. I'm talking about something appropriate to their disabilities. >> >> I'm not suggesting that the governments should give them the top of the range of everything, all the time. But I think that the lives of the visually impaired and otherwise disabled people could, and should be made easier by their governments. Now, I know that there are those on list who believe strongly that socialism is wrong, and I guess you could call this a kind of socialism. But currently, there are many agencies in the US who do exactly this, I believe. >> >> Anyway, getting back to the original topic. More power to the people developing NVDA. I hope they succeed in what they are aiming to achieve. >> >> Gordon >> >> On 31 Jan 2011, at 11:12, Dane Trethowan wrote: >> >>> We had a question on list quite some time ago regarding the syftware voice synthesisers NVDA supports, I'm looking at the web page now and I note that NVDA will support any SAPI 4 or 5 compatible voice synthesiser. >>> >>> I don't know much about it yet but I'm told that a new Beta of NVDA is being tested with lots of improvements for access. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free >> >> To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: >> http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html >> > > > _______________________________________________ > > The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free > > To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: > http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html > From martin at x.it.okstate.edu Mon Jan 31 16:54:56 2011 From: martin at x.it.okstate.edu (Martin McCormick) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 10:54:56 -0600 Subject: NVDA Screen Reader Message-ID: <201101311654.p0VGsujr044209@x.it.okstate.edu> I am going to take this over to just-chat since what I have to say is not really directly related to technology. 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