From lynne at mac-access.net Sat Jul 2 00:10:06 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2011 00:10:06 +0100 Subject: DreamWeaver CS5 for Windows; Looking For Purchase URL Message-ID: <49A0629F-AB32-4518-A547-80648CD07A2A@mac-access.net> Hello everybody Does anybody happen to have an explicit purchase URL for Adobe DreamWeaver CS5 for Windows please? The Adobe websites are so darn confusing that even I with my vision am having difficulty finding my way around it. Any information would be appreciated. I would also be very keen to hear from anybody using either NVDA or Window-Eyes who has used this product. Please don't bother with that last question if you're a JFW12 user, unless your information is generic rather than specific to that accessibility solution. Thank you in advance. Lynne From grtdane at internode.on.net Sat Jul 2 00:27:55 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2011 09:27:55 +1000 Subject: DreamWeaver CS5 for Windows; Looking For Purchase URL In-Reply-To: <49A0629F-AB32-4518-A547-80648CD07A2A@mac-access.net> References: <49A0629F-AB32-4518-A547-80648CD07A2A@mac-access.net> Message-ID: I can't help you with the URL but I was under the impression that this software was no longer accessible? On 02/07/2011, at 9:10 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hello everybody > > Does anybody happen to have an explicit purchase URL for Adobe DreamWeaver CS5 for Windows please? The Adobe websites are so darn confusing that even I with my vision am having difficulty finding my way around it. > > Any information would be appreciated. I would also be very keen to hear from anybody using either NVDA or Window-Eyes who has used this product. Please don't bother with that last question if you're a JFW12 user, unless your information is generic rather than specific to that accessibility solution. > > Thank you in advance. > > Lynne > > > _______________________________________________ > > The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free > > To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: > http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html > From lynne at mac-access.net Sat Jul 2 00:31:08 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2011 00:31:08 +0100 Subject: DreamWeaver CS5 for Windows; Looking For Purchase URL In-Reply-To: References: <49A0629F-AB32-4518-A547-80648CD07A2A@mac-access.net> Message-ID: Hello Dane On 2 Jul 2011, at 00:27, Dane Trethowan wrote: ? I can't help you with the URL but I was under the impression that this software was no longer accessible? That isn't what I've been lead to believe. But we plan to try it first. Lynne From grtdane at internode.on.net Sat Jul 2 00:32:55 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2011 09:32:55 +1000 Subject: DreamWeaver CS5 for Windows; Looking For Purchase URL In-Reply-To: References: <49A0629F-AB32-4518-A547-80648CD07A2A@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <55D1AEFA-DEF2-48A3-8DE5-4E5C056FC22C@internode.on.net> Good idea! nothing like hands-on experience, wonder if a trial is available. On 02/07/2011, at 9:31 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hello Dane > > On 2 Jul 2011, at 00:27, Dane Trethowan wrote: > > ? I can't help you with the URL but I was under the impression that this software was no longer accessible? > > That isn't what I've been lead to believe. But we plan to try it first. > > Lynne > > _______________________________________________ > > The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free > > To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: > http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html > From lynne at mac-access.net Sat Jul 2 02:12:47 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2011 02:12:47 +0100 Subject: DreamWeaver CS5 for Windows; Looking For Purchase URL In-Reply-To: <55D1AEFA-DEF2-48A3-8DE5-4E5C056FC22C@internode.on.net> References: <49A0629F-AB32-4518-A547-80648CD07A2A@mac-access.net> <55D1AEFA-DEF2-48A3-8DE5-4E5C056FC22C@internode.on.net> Message-ID: <146FDEC1-D188-43BD-A3BE-FD5F3AD127FE@mac-access.net> Hello Dane Yes; there is a trial but you have to have a registered Adobe account. Lynne On 2 Jul 2011, at 00:32, Dane Trethowan wrote: Good idea! nothing like hands-on experience, wonder if a trial is available. On 02/07/2011, at 9:31 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hello Dane > > On 2 Jul 2011, at 00:27, Dane Trethowan wrote: > > ? I can't help you with the URL but I was under the impression that this software was no longer accessible? > > That isn't what I've been lead to believe. But we plan to try it first. > > Lynne > > _______________________________________________ > > The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free > > To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: > http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html > _______________________________________________ The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html From marrie12 at gmail.com Mon Jul 4 05:30:34 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2011 21:30:34 -0700 Subject: doing a repy to in gmail ont eh gmail website Message-ID: <580E88F0-162A-4A01-BC45-5F5CF1DDFCB7@gmail.com> Hello. I was trying to show someone the gmail interface but I could not find a way to do a reply to, that is having another address in that field and when the person hits reply it will go to a different address then sent from. I googled for this but could not find a way. Is this not possible? Take care. Sarah Alawami If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com website: http://music.marrie.org Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 From tsiegel at softcon.com Sun Jul 10 21:33:25 2011 From: tsiegel at softcon.com (Travis Siegel) Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 15:33:25 -0500 Subject: doing a repy to in gmail ont eh gmail website In-Reply-To: <580E88F0-162A-4A01-BC45-5F5CF1DDFCB7@gmail.com> References: <580E88F0-162A-4A01-BC45-5F5CF1DDFCB7@gmail.com> Message-ID: You need to perform a vo-m on the sender's address. Then, select reply to sender. That will reply to the person, not the list. hth. From marrie12 at gmail.com Mon Jul 11 05:23:50 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 21:23:50 -0700 Subject: doing a reply to gmail on the gmail website when composing a mew message In-Reply-To: References: <580E88F0-162A-4A01-BC45-5F5CF1DDFCB7@gmail.com> Message-ID: Actually I wanted to send a message and add an address to a reply to field on the gmail website. My family are windows users lol but googling said that it could not be done. On Jul 10, 2011, at 1:33 PM, Travis Siegel wrote: > You need to perform a vo-m on the sender's address. Then, select reply to sender. > That will reply to the person, not the list. > hth. > > _______________________________________________ > > The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free > > To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: > http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html > Sarah Alawami If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com website: http://music.marrie.org Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 From tsiegel at softcon.com Mon Jul 11 05:30:09 2011 From: tsiegel at softcon.com (Travis Siegel) Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 23:30:09 -0500 Subject: doing a reply to gmail on the gmail website when composing a mew message In-Reply-To: References: <580E88F0-162A-4A01-BC45-5F5CF1DDFCB7@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4217447D-8606-405C-98E4-EC97446657B1@softcon.com> I don't use gmail, but it seems rather silly not to be able to add headers to your emails, including cc and reply-to fields. I'd have to say it's possible, you just gotta figure out how. :) I can't imagine it would be as popular as it is if it couldn't do that sort of thing. On the other hand, other things are popular that can't do much either, so guess that's not really any indication of functionality. :) Anyhow, good luck, hope you figure it out, and sorry for the confusion. (does vo work well with gmail?) I've never used it, but if it's anything like the rest of the google sites, I can't imagine it's very easy to use. From marrie12 at gmail.com Mon Jul 11 05:31:19 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 21:31:19 -0700 Subject: doing a reply to gmail on the gmail website when composing a mew message In-Reply-To: <4217447D-8606-405C-98E4-EC97446657B1@softcon.com> References: <580E88F0-162A-4A01-BC45-5F5CF1DDFCB7@gmail.com> <4217447D-8606-405C-98E4-EC97446657B1@softcon.com> Message-ID: Well we looked and even I don't remember a reply to field or an add button on the website, but my browser is not loving me at the moment lol! Take care. On Jul 10, 2011, at 9:30 PM, Travis Siegel wrote: > I don't use gmail, but it seems rather silly not to be able to add headers to your emails, including cc and reply-to fields. I'd have to say it's possible, you just gotta figure out how. :) > I can't imagine it would be as popular as it is if it couldn't do that sort of thing. > On the other hand, other things are popular that can't do much either, so guess that's not really any indication of functionality. :) > Anyhow, good luck, hope you figure it out, and sorry for the confusion. > (does vo work well with gmail?) > I've never used it, but if it's anything like the rest of the google sites, I can't imagine it's very easy to use. > _______________________________________________ > > The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free > > To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: > http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html > Sarah Alawami If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com website: http://music.marrie.org Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 From lynne at mac-access.net Tue Jul 19 08:21:57 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2011 08:21:57 +0100 Subject: Installing Windows As the Base Level OS On a Mac Message-ID: <614B504F-6F58-4DD2-91F9-35D7FE601638@mac-access.net> Hello everybody Gordon and I last week upgraded one of our servers to a new system which gives us a spare Mac Mini to play with. We are contemplating putting Windows XP on to it, but not as a sub-operating system, rather, as the primary one with the Mac's internal HD formatted entirely as NTFS. Gordon says he can't see any reason why that shouldn't work; as we do have the driver set for the Apple hardware in as much as we can install the Boot Cap drivers into Windows in order to give us access to any additional things we might need. There's no iSight camera to worry about; no fancy hardware at all in fact, just the basic. This particular machine was never designed to be used as a server in actual fact and if true be told we pushed it a little bit too hard in any case. It only has 1GB of RAM and a 120GB HD so really speaking it is more geared towards client-side usage anyway. We now have a proper server machine to do the job which that machine was previously doing. Our hand was forced a little bit by the fact that Lion, when it's released, will require 2GB of RAM as a minimum to install. No machine that doesn't meet that specification will be able to run Lion. Any comments regarding the installation of Windows on such a machine as the primary OS welcome. Are we overlooking anything or do other members think as we do; that there's no reason why XP shouldn't work in that kind of environment. Lynne From grtdane at internode.on.net Tue Jul 19 08:27:56 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2011 17:27:56 +1000 Subject: New Olympus LS7 Recorder Review Message-ID: Olympus have released a new recorder and you can find a review - hands-on demo - the beast at , Neil does excellent reviews and demos of audio recorders, he's reviewed all the Zoom machines and you'll find those up on the Blind Cool Tech site too! Sent from my iPad From tsiegel at softcon.com Tue Jul 19 12:31:10 2011 From: tsiegel at softcon.com (Travis Siegel) Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2011 07:31:10 -0400 Subject: Installing Windows As the Base Level OS On a Mac In-Reply-To: <614B504F-6F58-4DD2-91F9-35D7FE601638@mac-access.net> References: <614B504F-6F58-4DD2-91F9-35D7FE601638@mac-access.net> Message-ID: No reason at all why it shouldn't work. You may have to install osx, do the bootcamp thing, then remove the osx partition afterwords, but this may not be necessary, haven't tried it directly myself, but I see no reason why pure xp shouldn't work just fine. You'll still need the guid partition table, but other than that, there's no technical reason for it not to work. Let us all know how it works out. From lynne at mac-access.net Tue Jul 19 13:16:34 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2011 13:16:34 +0100 Subject: Installing Windows As the Base Level OS On a Mac In-Reply-To: References: <614B504F-6F58-4DD2-91F9-35D7FE601638@mac-access.net> Message-ID: hello Travis Why would you need to install OSX? Why can't you simply use disk utility to partition the drive as a master boot record partition, formatted as FAT32. Then install Windows like any other PC? I don't get it why Mac OS even comes into it at all. If you make the entire drive as one partition it should work. Or am I missing something obvious? Lynne On 19 Jul 2011, at 12:31, Travis Siegel wrote: No reason at all why it shouldn't work. You may have to install osx, do the bootcamp thing, then remove the osx partition afterwords, but this may not be necessary, haven't tried it directly myself, but I see no reason why pure xp shouldn't work just fine. You'll still need the guid partition table, but other than that, there's no technical reason for it not to work. Let us all know how it works out. _______________________________________________ The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html From martin at x.it.okstate.edu Tue Jul 19 14:47:06 2011 From: martin at x.it.okstate.edu (Martin McCormick) Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2011 08:47:06 -0500 Subject: Installing Windows As the Base Level OS On a Mac Message-ID: <201107191347.p6JDl6cn021925@x.it.okstate.edu> "Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith" writes: > Why would you need to install OSX? Why can't you simply use disk utility > to partition the drive as a master boot record partition, formatted as > FAT32. Then install Windows like any other PC? I don't get it why Mac OS > even comes into it at all. If you make the entire drive as one partition > it should work. Do you also need a swap partition? That's the only issue I can think of. As Windows starts its installation process, it probably learns what drivers it needs to access the hardware. Martin From gordon at mac-access.net Tue Jul 19 15:04:18 2011 From: gordon at mac-access.net (Gordon Smith) Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2011 15:04:18 +0100 Subject: Installing Windows As the Base Level OS On a Mac In-Reply-To: <201107191347.p6JDl6cn021925@x.it.okstate.edu> References: <201107191347.p6JDl6cn021925@x.it.okstate.edu> Message-ID: <7AB2CD87-7D88-4A3F-B72A-47440E5D7CEC@mac-access.net> Hello Martin On 19 Jul 2011, at 14:47, Martin McCormick wrote: ? Do you also need a swap partition? That's the only issue I can think of. I don't think I'm making myself clear. I propose to boot from the Mac OSX DVD and then create a single partition on the drive in the machine which will be formatted as FAT32 to start with. Once done, I simply propose to remove the Mac DVD completely and then reboot the machine using the Windows CD. It sees the partition in theory and installs Windows. Windows doesn't use swap partitions so where does that come into it? I'm confused. But surely if it did, the swap partition wouldn't be the first partition on the drive, would it? The FAT32 partition would be the first one and that's really all that matters. Once Windows or whatever is installed, you can zap that as you like. Actually I'm wondering now whether Vinux would install this way. What do you have to do in order to get Vinux to boot up from the CD talking? Lynne From lynne at mac-access.net Tue Jul 19 15:05:01 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2011 15:05:01 +0100 Subject: Installing Windows As the Base Level OS On a Mac In-Reply-To: <7AB2CD87-7D88-4A3F-B72A-47440E5D7CEC@mac-access.net> References: <201107191347.p6JDl6cn021925@x.it.okstate.edu> <7AB2CD87-7D88-4A3F-B72A-47440E5D7CEC@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <48EAD21E-10E1-43F6-B09C-80E6B1E4DD9F@mac-access.net> hello Martin Sorry; forgot to change accounts again. Lynne On 19 Jul 2011, at 15:04, Gordon Smith wrote: Hello Martin On 19 Jul 2011, at 14:47, Martin McCormick wrote: ? Do you also need a swap partition? That's the only issue I can think of. I don't think I'm making myself clear. I propose to boot from the Mac OSX DVD and then create a single partition on the drive in the machine which will be formatted as FAT32 to start with. Once done, I simply propose to remove the Mac DVD completely and then reboot the machine using the Windows CD. It sees the partition in theory and installs Windows. Windows doesn't use swap partitions so where does that come into it? I'm confused. But surely if it did, the swap partition wouldn't be the first partition on the drive, would it? The FAT32 partition would be the first one and that's really all that matters. Once Windows or whatever is installed, you can zap that as you like. Actually I'm wondering now whether Vinux would install this way. What do you have to do in order to get Vinux to boot up from the CD talking? Lynne _______________________________________________ The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html From tsiegel at softcon.com Tue Jul 19 15:11:18 2011 From: tsiegel at softcon.com (Travis Siegel) Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2011 10:11:18 -0400 Subject: Installing Windows As the Base Level OS On a Mac In-Reply-To: References: <614B504F-6F58-4DD2-91F9-35D7FE601638@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <46AFAE0B-0E50-4BBF-BF96-DB5C39127BE1@softcon.com> The reason I said you might need osx, is because I don't know if you can do a clean install of windows w/o bootcamp, because of the way macs firmware works. It's not a traditional bios as windows expects, and I don't know if that will be an issue or not when installing. That's why I mentioned the possible need of osx just for the install, and the guid partition as well. But, that's what experimenting is for. :) By all means, let the list know how it goes. these are only possible sticking points, not definite show stoppers. From lynne at mac-access.net Tue Jul 19 15:18:09 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2011 15:18:09 +0100 Subject: Installing Windows As the Base Level OS On a Mac In-Reply-To: <46AFAE0B-0E50-4BBF-BF96-DB5C39127BE1@softcon.com> References: <614B504F-6F58-4DD2-91F9-35D7FE601638@mac-access.net> <46AFAE0B-0E50-4BBF-BF96-DB5C39127BE1@softcon.com> Message-ID: <151842F7-C059-4BA8-818E-5A2DD7EEF4F6@mac-access.net> Hello Travis On 19 Jul 2011, at 15:11, Travis Siegel wrote: ? The reason I said you might need osx, is because I don't know if you can do a clean install of windows w/o bootcamp, because of the way macs firmware works. It's not a traditional bios as windows expects, and I don't know if that will be an issue or not when installing. That's why I mentioned the possible need of osx just for the install, and the guid partition as well. But, that's what experimenting is for. :) By all means, let the list know how it goes. these are only possible sticking points, not definite show stoppers. Right! I see what you mean now; and I'm sorry I didn't pick up your meaning earlier. You're right, the Mac uses what I think they call an "EFI" system instead of a BIOS which the clunky old PC's use. OK, weill it will be interesting to see if it works. I am going to try this experiment later this afternoon. If it works it works; if not, I've lost nothing by the trying of it. Lynne From martin at x.it.okstate.edu Tue Jul 19 16:54:37 2011 From: martin at x.it.okstate.edu (Martin McCormick) Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2011 10:54:37 -0500 Subject: Installing Windows As the Base Level OS On a Mac Message-ID: <201107191554.p6JFsbw5023364@x.it.okstate.edu> "Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith, accidentally disguised as Gordon " writes: > Hello Martin > > I don't think I'm making myself clear. I propose to boot from the Mac OSX > DVD and then create a single partition on the drive in the machine which > will be formatted as FAT32 to start with. Once done, I simply propose to > remove the Mac DVD completely and then reboot the machine using the > Windows CD. It sees the partition in theory and installs Windows. Windows > doesn't use swap partitions so where does that come into it? I'm > confused. But surely if it did, the swap partition wouldn't be the first > partition on the drive, would it? The FAT32 partition would be the first > one and that's really all that matters. Once Windows or whatever is > installed, you can zap that as you like. Actually I'm wondering now > whether Vinux would install this way. What do you have to do in order to > get Vinux to boot up from the CD talking? Trying not to be even more confusing, Vinux and other Unix-based operating systems have a type of partition called swap which dose contain a special formatting but does not necessarily contain a file system like the one you write your normal working files to. In the past, you frequently allocated a space on the disk equal to 3 times your available RAM, but these days, that is a lot of wasted space so I usually allocate one gigabyte and call it good with the idea behind swap that maybe 3 programs you were running might dump their entire memory image to swap space at once. At least some versions of Unix can use any amount of space you designate as swap, formatted as swap or not, but that space then becomes off limits for anything else because you never know when the swap monster will wake up and write over that space. So, if you don't need a special swap partition for Windows, that's one less thing to worry about, but you do have to pay the piper somehow in Windows when you run out of available memory and it does swap to somewhere, maybe unallocated space, but the alternative is a crash. The swapping out, as it is called, is all that disk activity you hear and slowness you experience on computers that do not have enough resources. As for Vinux and Linux in general, the installer will require you to configure a swap partition and suggest a good size for it or let you set your own but you do have to have some swap space. Linux, of which Vinux is a specialized version, will format swap space for you and also format up to the rest of the entire disk as an EXT2 or EXT3 file system which is a better fit for Unix than is a FAT32 file system for DOS/Windows. Modern-day Linux uses what is called a journaling file system which has a greater chance of being able to repair itself should the power go off or the battery run down during an unplanned shutdown. From martin at x.it.okstate.edu Tue Jul 19 19:06:00 2011 From: martin at x.it.okstate.edu (Martin McCormick) Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2011 13:06:00 -0500 Subject: Fixing a Faucet Message-ID: <201107191806.p6JI60Xv024066@x.it.okstate.edu> I recently needed to fix a kitchen faucet at our house and ran across something interesting. The faucet is not anything that unusual. It is a single-handle type faucet in which you tilt the handle back to turn on the water and move it left and right to make the water hotter or colder. After a few years, various parts wear out and the manufacturer sells you a small kit of replacement parts which makes it almost like new again. The valve parts of the faucet consist of a ball tightly held in place by a socket and seals. The top of the socket is where the handle comes out and the socket has a triangular cut-out in it to guide the handle. The kit had replacements for every working part of the ball and socket except for the ball, itself plus one more part. If one so desired, you could remove the triangular top half of the socket and replace it with a top half that had a vertical slot instead of the triangle. This would allow one to move the handle forward to turn the water on and back to turn it off plus slightly to the left or to the right, but mainly, it trapped the handle right in the middle so you would get warm water or nothing plus a little adjustment to the left and right. I am guessing that was for maybe child care facilities or some other place in which one might be afraid that someone could burn themselves with hot water so this made it impossible to select either extreme temperature. Since we do not have small children or anybody here who could get hurt this way, there was no reason to do anything but reassemble the faucet the way it normally is done. O yes, it now does not leak at the base of the spigot as it was doing before which was the real reason why I fixed it in the first place. Martin From gordon at mac-access.net Fri Jul 22 05:45:17 2011 From: gordon at mac-access.net (Gordon Smith) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2011 05:45:17 +0100 Subject: Looks like the American administration has finally come to its senses Message-ID: <0652F7F2-FA19-4083-9357-71E4DFF95821@mac-access.net> Hi all This is only hearsay at the moment as far as I'm concerned, but I really hope it's true. I gather that space, the final frontier, is going to be left as the final frontier for a while, so that the Americans can, like everybody else is having too, care for the human creatures infesting the third planet in the Terran solar system. Seriously, money is tight, and as I understand it they've finally realised that fat. Much as I find the space programme of interest, it's hardly a priority. Over here in Europe we're having a bit of a hard time of things. Countries are going bust and we who always have to pay out are being called on again to subsidise the weakest link. Anyway, to the point. Is it true about NASA having the plug pulled on its bottomless pit of money? From lynne at mac-access.net Fri Jul 22 05:49:18 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2011 05:49:18 +0100 Subject: Gordon Is In Trouble! Message-ID: He meant to send that message about NASA to Just-Chat, Where it belts as there was no technological basis at all. So please, if you're going to reply and, of course, if you're a member of that group, send your replies to Just Chat if you would 't mind. Lynne From grtdane at internode.on.net Fri Jul 22 05:52:22 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2011 14:52:22 +1000 Subject: Looks like the American administration has finally come to its senses In-Reply-To: <0652F7F2-FA19-4083-9357-71E4DFF95821@mac-access.net> References: <0652F7F2-FA19-4083-9357-71E4DFF95821@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <24BA786D-180B-435F-94B7-8B87C41976BD@internode.on.net> Yep that's true but space exploration and so forth will continue, it won't be handled by the Americans though, the Americans are going to pay the Russians to continue the programmes, its fifty million for every astronaut the americans want the Russians to put into space. As I understand it company's in America will be working on the new generation of space craft but that's not expected to be available to NASA for 7 years or so. I feel sorry for American citizen's, I mean if America runs out of money then they're left in the leech, the President himself when interviewed last week couldn't guarantee the social security payments would be delivered? How bad's that in fact I'd call it criminal and as punishment? All Congress should be have their pay cut, there homes taken from them and forced to sleep rough for a week, perhaps that may wake them all up to the seriousness of the situation. On 22/07/2011, at 2:45 PM, Gordon Smith wrote: > Hi all > > This is only hearsay at the moment as far as I'm concerned, but I really hope it's true. I gather that space, the final frontier, is going to be left as the final frontier for a while, so that the Americans can, like everybody else is having too, care for the human creatures infesting the third planet in the Terran solar system. > > Seriously, money is tight, and as I understand it they've finally realised that fat. Much as I find the space programme of interest, it's hardly a priority. > > Over here in Europe we're having a bit of a hard time of things. Countries are going bust and we who always have to pay out are being called on again to subsidise the weakest link. > > Anyway, to the point. Is it true about NASA having the plug pulled on its bottomless pit of money? > > _______________________________________________ > > The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free > > To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: > http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html > From grtdane at internode.on.net Fri Jul 22 05:53:09 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2011 14:53:09 +1000 Subject: Gordon Is In Trouble! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <601D5398-E572-4A6F-870E-8B1CD1E84B82@internode.on.net> Bit late now, I'm in trouble too! On 22/07/2011, at 2:49 PM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > He meant to send that message about NASA to Just-Chat, Where it belts as there was no technological basis at all. So please, if you're going to reply and, of course, if you're a member of that group, send your replies to Just Chat if you would 't mind. > Lynne > > _______________________________________________ > > The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free > > To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: > http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html > From gordon at mac-access.net Fri Jul 22 07:29:22 2011 From: gordon at mac-access.net (Gordon Smith) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2011 07:29:22 +0100 Subject: Looks like the American administration has finally come to its senses In-Reply-To: <24BA786D-180B-435F-94B7-8B87C41976BD@internode.on.net> References: <0652F7F2-FA19-4083-9357-71E4DFF95821@mac-access.net> <24BA786D-180B-435F-94B7-8B87C41976BD@internode.on.net> Message-ID: The Americans aught to just drop this and leave it to Russia if they want to continue. What's the point of closing their programme if they're going to pay even more to have somebody else do the dirty work. That money could, and should b going towards medical and social projects. Cancer and other killer diseases are the sort of things we should be paying for. Yes, I know we're a talking about the Americans here; but they call themselves the most powerful and influential country i=in the world. So they should be taking a lead. Anyway I'll leave it there because this aspect of the discussion has nothing at all to do with technology, and I'll be getting into bovver for breaking list rules :) On 22 Jul 2011, at 05:52, Dane Trethowan wrote: Yep that's true but space exploration and so forth will continue, it won't be handled by the Americans though, the Americans are going to pay the Russians to continue the programmes, its fifty million for every astronaut the americans want the Russians to put into space. As I understand it company's in America will be working on the new generation of space craft but that's not expected to be available to NASA for 7 years or so. I feel sorry for American citizen's, I mean if America runs out of money then they're left in the leech, the President himself when interviewed last week couldn't guarantee the social security payments would be delivered? How bad's that in fact I'd call it criminal and as punishment? All Congress should be have their pay cut, there homes taken from them and forced to sleep rough for a week, perhaps that may wake them all up to the seriousness of the situation. On 22/07/2011, at 2:45 PM, Gordon Smith wrote: > Hi all > > This is only hearsay at the moment as far as I'm concerned, but I really hope it's true. I gather that space, the final frontier, is going to be left as the final frontier for a while, so that the Americans can, like everybody else is having too, care for the human creatures infesting the third planet in the Terran solar system. > > Seriously, money is tight, and as I understand it they've finally realised that fat. Much as I find the space programme of interest, it's hardly a priority. > > Over here in Europe we're having a bit of a hard time of things. Countries are going bust and we who always have to pay out are being called on again to subsidise the weakest link. > > Anyway, to the point. Is it true about NASA having the plug pulled on its bottomless pit of money? > > _______________________________________________ > > The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free > > To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: > http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html > _______________________________________________ The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html From grtdane at internode.on.net Fri Jul 22 11:04:57 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2011 20:04:57 +1000 Subject: User Token from bank Message-ID: Hi! I mentioned that my bank was now issuing these by default for those people who use Online Banking, in the banks view that ought to be the majority of their customers . Well I finally got around to setting it up today and thanks for those other list members who posted information about the token. The process of setting up was simple enough, the user enters a serial number on the back of the token into an edit box on the banks online web site, the token is then registered so for every subsequent login to the site you're asked to enter a token. You press a button on the bottom right of the token for a random number or token to be generated which you then enter into the banks web site where prompted and here's where things have been a little tricky for me. Unfortunately the speech of the token is fairly difficult to understand and I've reached my limit of 3 tries at entering tokens a couple of times and have had to contact the bank for them to manually unlock my token so I can try again so if your bank offers you one of these tokens as a security device and your lack of vision prevents you from seeing the screen then be aware of the terrible voice . I'll continue to use the token for the time being but I have to admit that the SMS security measures I used when I used to have a Mobile Phone were easier to deal with and perhaps if I can find a cheap mobile plan I may just get it and go back to using the SMS method of security. Sent from my iPad From mstores at indiana.edu Fri Jul 22 14:29:28 2011 From: mstores at indiana.edu (Mary Stores) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2011 09:29:28 -0400 Subject: Looks like the American administration has finally come to its senses In-Reply-To: <0652F7F2-FA19-4083-9357-71E4DFF95821@mac-access.net> References: <0652F7F2-FA19-4083-9357-71E4DFF95821@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <20110722092928.to1abk5bd44s4koo@webmail.iu.edu> Hi Gordon, Well, SPS135 was the last space shuttle to go up. Looks like the astronauts will havee to rely on the Russians for a while (nothing ironic about that, is there?) While I understand money is tight, remember that article I sent a while back that talked about how the space program has helped us people on Earth? I think we always take everything to extremes. Still, I think we need something new besides those old shuttles. Mary Quoting Gordon Smith : > Hi all > > This is only hearsay at the moment as far as I'm concerned, but I > really hope it's true. I gather that space, the final frontier, is > going to be left as the final frontier for a while, so that the > Americans can, like everybody else is having too, care for the human > creatures infesting the third planet in the Terran solar system. > > Seriously, money is tight, and as I understand it they've finally > realised that fat. Much as I find the space programme of interest, > it's hardly a priority. > > Over here in Europe we're having a bit of a hard time of things. > Countries are going bust and we who always have to pay out are being > called on again to subsidise the weakest link. > > Anyway, to the point. Is it true about NASA having the plug pulled on > its bottomless pit of money? > > From grtdane at internode.on.net Tue Jul 26 09:08:22 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2011 18:08:22 +1000 Subject: NVDA - Blog: NVDA 2011.2rc1 Released Message-ID: <1727C0B9-1963-4188-B1F2-C5E3F9EE4CF9@internode.on.net> This is a new beta released today with several important fixes over the older beta. From grtdane at internode.on.net Tue Jul 26 09:55:11 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2011 18:55:11 +1000 Subject: My new television Message-ID: <61F6FEFF-9340-4EB6-9965-60584F9F586A@internode.on.net> Hi! Meant to write about my new television a couple of weeks ago. I wanted a new television for my lunge and with LCD TV's becoming so cheap these days I decided that the time was right to take the plunge. Now I'm not going to go into the technical details about my TV suffice to say that those with vision who come to my house on our Movie nights are sufficiently impressed to stay in order that they watch the whole movie so it must be pretty good visually . Its nothing to flash, just a 19 inch - 47CM - in size but built-in audio given the sets size is quite remarkable. I have a toslink digital cable linking the set to my surround-sound and a HDMI cable linking the Apple TV to the set, there are other connections at the back but the manual is extremely graphical so its going to take me a while to find out what all do but I do know that the USB socket allows the connection of a memory stick or hard drive for the recording and playback of video and I've got as far as trying this facility with the television. So why did I choose Samsung? Main reason being that Samsung television consistently get good reviews in the technology columns over here. I also bought the Samsung because as the set was far more accessible than others around and I'm not exaggerating this point either. Take a similar set from G, whilst it may boast more features than the Samsung it was next to useless for me. Firstly it had a touch control panel on the front of the set and worst of all, the remote control was a touch screen so a total waste of time. The Samsung does indeed have touch buttons on the front control panel however they have ridges around them and require some pressure before they are activated. The remote controller for the Samsung is your typical rubber membrane type remote controller however it does have some nice touches which make the buttons clearly identifiable. For example the on/off button is marked by a unique series of raised dots not unlike Braille dots, the volume up and down marked with a completely different set of dots and channel up an down is marked in a similar way. Then the buttons themselves are nice and large so they're easily distinguishable from each other, you only have to touch a button on the controller to know where you are in relation to all the other buttons. Yep, controller is large but this is due mainly to the size of the buttons, they're big and well spaced and - in my opinion - very well laid out, for example the most important controls such as the numeric keypad, up/down controls, power and source control are right at the top whereas the les important of the controls such as play, stop, pause and so on are at the bottom with their unique shape thus their unique identification. Only one thing annoyed me about this purchase, the space in my TV cabinet can fit a far bigger set and given the price of a bigger set? Well perhaps I should have saved a little longer but not to worry, I'll eventually buy a bigger one and put the existing Samsung into my den where it will fit perfectly and yep! I'll buy the bigger Samsung given my thoughts above. From martin at x.it.okstate.edu Tue Jul 26 12:23:18 2011 From: martin at x.it.okstate.edu (Martin McCormick) Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2011 06:23:18 -0500 Subject: My new television Message-ID: <201107261123.p6QBNInh073338@x.it.okstate.edu> Congratulations. It sounds like you got a good set. Those USB ports can also be used to give the set a brain transplant right there in place. At least some of them let you update the firmware if the manufacturer comes out with new features or discovers bugs that need correcting. You just go to their web site, download the new image to the memory stick and then do whatever procedures the manufacturer requires to make the set read the image. Dane Trethowan writes: > Meant to write about my new television a couple of weeks ago. > > I wanted a new television for my lunge and with LCD TV's becoming so > cheap these days I decided that the time was right to take the plunge. From grtdane at internode.on.net Tue Jul 26 17:42:08 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2011 02:42:08 +1000 Subject: My new television In-Reply-To: <201107261123.p6QBNInh073338@x.it.okstate.edu> References: <201107261123.p6QBNInh073338@x.it.okstate.edu> Message-ID: <4E2EEE60.7070702@internode.on.net> Yep, you can update the software using a memory stick and the USB port of the TV. Apparently there's also some way of connecting the set to the Internet but I haven't quite worked out just what the manual is talking about here, whether connecting to the Internet means via something like the Apple TV or directly to the set somehow, if so then there's no LAN connection that I can see but I do know one thing thanks to the Ipad, the television does have bluetooth capabilities, whether intentionally or accidentally is the 40 million dollar question . On 26/07/2011 9:23 PM, Martin McCormick wrote: > Congratulations. It sounds like you got a good set. > Those USB ports can also be used to give the set a brain > transplant right there in place. At least some of them let you > update the firmware if the manufacturer comes out with new > features or discovers bugs that need correcting. You just go to > their web site, download the new image to the memory stick and > then do whatever procedures the manufacturer requires to make > the set read the image. > > Dane Trethowan writes: >> Meant to write about my new television a couple of weeks ago. >> >> I wanted a new television for my lunge and with LCD TV's becoming so >> cheap these days I decided that the time was right to take the plunge. > _______________________________________________ > > The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free > > To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: > http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html > -- Dane Trethowan From Melton Victoria Australia skype callto:grtdane12 MSN: grtdane at dane-trethowan.net From grtdane at internode.on.net Tue Jul 26 17:42:57 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2011 02:42:57 +1000 Subject: My new television In-Reply-To: <201107261123.p6QBNInh073338@x.it.okstate.edu> References: <201107261123.p6QBNInh073338@x.it.okstate.edu> Message-ID: <4E2EEE91.1040409@internode.on.net> I also understand from people I've spoken to who handle Samsung TV'S that all use the LINUX operating system. On 26/07/2011 9:23 PM, Martin McCormick wrote: > Congratulations. It sounds like you got a good set. > Those USB ports can also be used to give the set a brain > transplant right there in place. At least some of them let you > update the firmware if the manufacturer comes out with new > features or discovers bugs that need correcting. You just go to > their web site, download the new image to the memory stick and > then do whatever procedures the manufacturer requires to make > the set read the image. > > Dane Trethowan writes: >> Meant to write about my new television a couple of weeks ago. >> >> I wanted a new television for my lunge and with LCD TV's becoming so >> cheap these days I decided that the time was right to take the plunge. > _______________________________________________ > > The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free > > To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: > http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html > -- Dane Trethowan From Melton Victoria Australia skype callto:grtdane12 MSN: grtdane at dane-trethowan.net