From lynne at mac-access.net Wed Jun 1 01:56:12 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 01:56:12 +0100 Subject: WE EEEPC etc In-Reply-To: <89CDDBBD-8997-4B59-80CC-C1F09BA227B8@internode.on.net> References: <4DE431E1.7010102@internode.on.net> <16CBE137-AAB7-4D03-83A4-5A8CB6543827@mac-access.net> <828BEB09-93CD-4915-BD06-5E123CB082D4@internode.on.net> <86BBB1C3-3714-47F5-97C7-8550DD245D50@mac-access.net> <22528752-3694-4B78-93CB-0C9FF8E47529@mac-access.net> <89CDDBBD-8997-4B59-80CC-C1F09BA227B8@internode.on.net> Message-ID: <2A2BF250-3E00-4BDC-99E8-C1D57C650276@mac-access.net> Hello Dane On 31 May 2011, at 13:54, Dane Trethowan wrote: ? I had a lot of that sort of trouble with WE as well on my EEPC, I'm not sure actually if its WE or something else causing the trouble there? I'll give WE the benefit of the doubt and I'll tell you why, the EEPC uses some sort of keyboard shortcut manager so I'm wondering if this is actually playing funny buggers with WE? Regardless of that WE is no longer installed on the EEEPC, I have NVDA working on that machine and NVDA and EEEPC are perfectly happy! With WE 7.2 we had no problems with the mouse keys; it's only since the upgrade to 7.5. Lynne From grtdane at internode.on.net Wed Jun 1 01:59:16 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2011 10:59:16 +1000 Subject: WE EEEPC etc In-Reply-To: <2A2BF250-3E00-4BDC-99E8-C1D57C650276@mac-access.net> References: <4DE431E1.7010102@internode.on.net> <16CBE137-AAB7-4D03-83A4-5A8CB6543827@mac-access.net> <828BEB09-93CD-4915-BD06-5E123CB082D4@internode.on.net> <86BBB1C3-3714-47F5-97C7-8550DD245D50@mac-access.net> <22528752-3694-4B78-93CB-0C9FF8E47529@mac-access.net> <89CDDBBD-8997-4B59-80CC-C1F09BA227B8@internode.on.net> <2A2BF250-3E00-4BDC-99E8-C1D57C650276@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <4DE58EE4.7050206@internode.on.net> Yep okay, forgot that and I had no trobule with we 7.2 either. On 1/06/2011 10:56 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hello Dane > > On 31 May 2011, at 13:54, Dane Trethowan wrote: > > ? I had a lot of that sort of trouble with WE as well on my EEPC, I'm not sure actually if its WE or something else causing the trouble there? I'll give WE the benefit of the doubt and I'll tell you why, the EEPC uses some sort of keyboard shortcut manager so I'm wondering if this is actually playing funny buggers with WE? Regardless of that WE is no longer installed on the EEEPC, I have NVDA working on that machine and NVDA and EEEPC are perfectly happy! > > With WE 7.2 we had no problems with the mouse keys; it's only since the upgrade to 7.5. > > Lynne > > _______________________________________________ > > The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free > > To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: > http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html > From marrie12 at gmail.com Wed Jun 1 21:24:45 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 13:24:45 -0700 Subject: an interesting article on passwords Message-ID: Well this was interesting.. it's a long read but worth bookmarking. Take care. http://bit.ly/lxeij8 Sarah Alawami If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com website: http://music.marrie.org Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 From grtdane at internode.on.net Thu Jun 2 12:36:34 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2011 21:36:34 +1000 Subject: Review of the CCrane II radio Message-ID: <4DE775C2.6000403@internode.on.net> This is now up at http://www.blindcooltech.com for those who may be interested. It follows on from the review of the CCrane SW Radio review which was put up earlier this year. From marrie12 at gmail.com Thu Jun 2 20:54:41 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2011 12:54:41 -0700 Subject: Skype Protocol Has Been Reverse Engineered Message-ID: <6DBC54E6-3F4B-49EE-9B02-BCE6681214E4@gmail.com> Not a good idea in my opinion. http://bit.ly/jcPVGb From lynne at mac-access.net Sun Jun 5 18:12:21 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2011 18:12:21 +0100 Subject: System Upgrades Message-ID: <11F8D63B-0DCA-4752-8E82-A03242ADE420@mac-access.net> Hello everybody Well; I have to say I would never have believed it. This afternoon Gordon and I sat down and had a good look at our NetBook. It didn't take us long to figure out between us what the manual doesn't tell us; how to access and change the memory module. By default, our machine comes with 1GB of DDR3 memory, 1067 MHZ buss speed. I only know that because, once Gordon figured out how to open the memory compartment, and I spotted the Zif socket levers and we removed the 1GB module which was installed, I found the specification of the module written in tiny writing on the surface of the PCB of the module. As luck would have it, Gordon bought some memory a year or two back for a MacBook which, owing to the fact that he misunderstood the stupid way Apple label the products, he never used. He bought 8GB of memory when, in fact, he only needed 4. But instead of sending the spare back for a refund, he opted to keep it in the hope that he would one day need it. That "one day" happened to be today. When we checked the memory, we found that the specification was precisely the same as that which we had just removed from our Asus NetBook, with the exception that the one we had was a 2GB SDIM, whereas the one we removed was, as I said, 1GB. So, we opted to give it a go. When we inserted the module, put the cover back on the compartment and re-inserted the battery, we held our breath and powered up the machine. The BIAS screen flashed up with a Hardware Change message and then the machine went into boot mode. The machine took longer to boot on the first instance than previously. But once booted into Windows 7 Ultimate, the difference became obvious right away. The entire machine was running at least 4 times faster than previous. So we changed the system settings to try and speed it up a bit more. Gordon set the machine to optimise for "best Performance", rather than the default "Let Windows decide what's best". And now, we have what looks and feels like a new machine. The thing goes very noticeably faster than it previously did and we might now, at last, be able to get things done in Windows 7 without being frustrated by lag, unresponsiveness and overall delays. But on this one we got lucky; had Gordon sent that memory back for a refund we'd have paid quite a bit more at today's prices than he did back when he bought the memory. All that said, it just shows how bloated Windows still is; the fact that it requires 2GB of memory just to make the operating system run at something like an acceptable speed. Our MacBook pro runs perfectly happily on 512MB of RAM, and that's with Windows running in a virtual machine using the rest of the memory. Lynne From marrie12 at gmail.com Sun Jun 5 23:27:14 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2011 15:27:14 -0700 Subject: System Upgrades In-Reply-To: <11F8D63B-0DCA-4752-8E82-A03242ADE420@mac-access.net> References: <11F8D63B-0DCA-4752-8E82-A03242ADE420@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <53D9C726-AB81-46D2-AFA7-4AEB87429D8F@gmail.com> Sweetness! I am not brave enough to do what you just did as I am a klutz by nature. But all in all glad it's working . 4 gigs seems to be the standard in most computers, or it was when a friend bought a desktop with windows vista, (or as I call it pissta ) on it. I might be wrong but that seems to be the standard. good job and good luck with your new netbook. Sarah Alawami If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com website: http://music.marrie.org Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 On Jun 5, 2011, at 10:12 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hello everybody > > Well; I have to say I would never have believed it. This afternoon Gordon and I sat down and had a good look at our NetBook. It didn't take us long to figure out between us what the manual doesn't tell us; how to access and change the memory module. > > By default, our machine comes with 1GB of DDR3 memory, 1067 MHZ buss speed. I only know that because, once Gordon figured out how to open the memory compartment, and I spotted the Zif socket levers and we removed the 1GB module which was installed, I found the specification of the module written in tiny writing on the surface of the PCB of the module. > > As luck would have it, Gordon bought some memory a year or two back for a MacBook which, owing to the fact that he misunderstood the stupid way Apple label the products, he never used. He bought 8GB of memory when, in fact, he only needed 4. But instead of sending the spare back for a refund, he opted to keep it in the hope that he would one day need it. > > That "one day" happened to be today. When we checked the memory, we found that the specification was precisely the same as that which we had just removed from our Asus NetBook, with the exception that the one we had was a 2GB SDIM, whereas the one we removed was, as I said, 1GB. So, we opted to give it a go. When we inserted the module, put the cover back on the compartment and re-inserted the battery, we held our breath and powered up the machine. > > The BIAS screen flashed up with a Hardware Change message and then the machine went into boot mode. The machine took longer to boot on the first instance than previously. But once booted into Windows 7 Ultimate, the difference became obvious right away. > > The entire machine was running at least 4 times faster than previous. So we changed the system settings to try and speed it up a bit more. Gordon set the machine to optimise for "best Performance", rather than the default "Let Windows decide what's best". And now, we have what looks and feels like a new machine. The thing goes very noticeably faster than it previously did and we might now, at last, be able to get things done in Windows 7 without being frustrated by lag, unresponsiveness and overall delays. > > But on this one we got lucky; had Gordon sent that memory back for a refund we'd have paid quite a bit more at today's prices than he did back when he bought the memory. > > All that said, it just shows how bloated Windows still is; the fact that it requires 2GB of memory just to make the operating system run at something like an acceptable speed. Our MacBook pro runs perfectly happily on 512MB of RAM, and that's with Windows running in a virtual machine using the rest of the memory. > > Lynne > > _______________________________________________ > > The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free > > To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: > http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html > From grtdane at internode.on.net Mon Jun 6 10:38:47 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2011 19:38:47 +1000 Subject: Reviews Of CCrane Products Message-ID: <31C6713D-C422-442D-BDD1-F685FB7BBC6B@internode.on.net> Hi! Just letting you all know that my review for the CCrane II radio is now up on Blind cool tech , this follows on from my review of the CCrane SW radio. I've just uploaded another review to Blind Cool Tech of the CCrane Tuneable AM Twin Coil antenna, its not been processed on the site yet but if you want a sneak preview then you can download it from , I'll leave it up till this time next week. From martin at x.it.okstate.edu Mon Jun 6 15:00:11 2011 From: martin at x.it.okstate.edu (Martin McCormick) Date: Mon, 06 Jun 2011 09:00:11 -0500 Subject: System Upgrades Message-ID: <201106061400.p56E0BqD066946@x.it.okstate.edu> It sounds like you had what artists call a happy accident. That's when a little extra paint gets dobbed on the canvas and the artist, instead of trying to remove it or covering it up suddenly says, "Ah! That looks like the top of somebody's hat," and proceeds to paint the person that would fit under the hat and creates a masterpiece. Depending on how much current the larger amount of memory draws, you may actually see longer battery life out of your computer because it will be accessing the drive due to swapping out less often. That's how you get the great increase in speed. If you can hear the little hard drive seeking, you should notice a lot less of it than before. "Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith" writes: > As luck would have it, Gordon bought some memory a year or two back for a > MacBook which, owing to the fact that he misunderstood the stupid way > Apple label the products, he never used. He bought 8GB of memory when, in > fact, he only needed 4. But instead of sending the spare back for a > refund, he opted to keep it in the hope that he would one day need it. From lynne at mac-access.net Mon Jun 6 15:25:12 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2011 15:25:12 +0100 Subject: System Upgrades In-Reply-To: <53D9C726-AB81-46D2-AFA7-4AEB87429D8F@gmail.com> References: <11F8D63B-0DCA-4752-8E82-A03242ADE420@mac-access.net> <53D9C726-AB81-46D2-AFA7-4AEB87429D8F@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hello Sarah On 5 Jun 2011, at 23:27, Sarah Alawami wrote: ? Sweetness! I am not brave enough to do what you just did as I am a klutz by nature. But all in all glad it's working . 4 gigs seems to be the standard in most computers, or it was when a friend bought a desktop with windows vista, (or as I call it pissta ) on it. I might be wrong but that seems to be the standard. That's probably true for desktop machines, but these NetBooks are designed to run using low powered components and apparently the more memory modules you have, the higher the power consumption. I know; I don't get that either but that's what we are told. This machine using the Intel? Atom N550 processor which, although not the top of the range in 64-bit mobile processors, seems pretty modern and they all boast low power consumption. Our battery in this Asus machines gives us around 9.5 hours of continuous use between charges. Anyway we are pretty pleased with the outcome of yesterday's adventure. Now perhaps the machine will be usable. Lynne From lynne at mac-access.net Mon Jun 6 15:31:37 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2011 15:31:37 +0100 Subject: System Upgrades In-Reply-To: <201106061400.p56E0BqD066946@x.it.okstate.edu> References: <201106061400.p56E0BqD066946@x.it.okstate.edu> Message-ID: <46745E8C-64D5-45B3-BC07-20DACF04089A@mac-access.net> Hello Martin On 6 Jun 2011, at 15:00, Martin McCormick wrote: ? It sounds like you had what artists call a happy accident. That's when a little extra paint gets dobbed on the canvas and the artist, instead of trying to remove it or covering it up suddenly says, "Ah! That looks like the top of somebody's hat," and proceeds to paint the person that would fit under the hat and creates a masterpiece. Yes, that's about right. We weren't 100% sure it ws going to work until we lifted out the cheap and nasty SDIM that Asus use, (unbranded and not particularly well assembled). Actually, the SDIM we replaced it with came from Apple, and it's branded as Hitachi. ? Depending on how much current the larger amount of memory draws, you may actually see longer battery life out of your computer because it will be accessing the drive due to swapping out less often. That's how you get the great increase in speed. If you can hear the little hard drive seeking, you should notice a lot less of it than before. I think you're correct there. We used to get about 9 hours but I have noticed that the hard drive is very definitely quieter than it used to be. In other words, it isn't being accessed as often. So far, so good. But we have some pretty demanding applications to install; so we will see how it stands up to those. Lynne From grtdane at internode.on.net Mon Jun 6 15:34:17 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2011 00:34:17 +1000 Subject: Power consumption on a EEEPC In-Reply-To: References: <11F8D63B-0DCA-4752-8E82-A03242ADE420@mac-access.net> <53D9C726-AB81-46D2-AFA7-4AEB87429D8F@gmail.com> Message-ID: Yep, 9.5 to about 12 hours is what you should get, that's what I get anyway with my EEEPC and that's not using any of the power management functions of which there are a few. One has to wonder just how long the battery lasts in the solid state versions of these machines, they were originally designed with solid state storage rather than hard drives. On 07/06/2011, at 12:25 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hello Sarah > > On 5 Jun 2011, at 23:27, Sarah Alawami wrote: > > ? Sweetness! I am not brave enough to do what you just did as I am a klutz by nature. But all in all glad it's working . 4 gigs seems to be the standard in most computers, or it was when a friend bought a desktop with windows vista, (or as I call it pissta ) on it. I might be wrong but that seems to be the standard. > > That's probably true for desktop machines, but these NetBooks are designed to run using low powered components and apparently the more memory modules you have, the higher the power consumption. I know; I don't get that either but that's what we are told. > > This machine using the Intel? Atom N550 processor which, although not the top of the range in 64-bit mobile processors, seems pretty modern and they all boast low power consumption. > > Our battery in this Asus machines gives us around 9.5 hours of continuous use between charges. > > Anyway we are pretty pleased with the outcome of yesterday's adventure. Now perhaps the machine will be usable. > > Lynne > > _______________________________________________ > > The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free > > To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: > http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html > From lynne at mac-access.net Mon Jun 6 15:39:44 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2011 15:39:44 +0100 Subject: Power consumption on a EEEPC In-Reply-To: References: <11F8D63B-0DCA-4752-8E82-A03242ADE420@mac-access.net> <53D9C726-AB81-46D2-AFA7-4AEB87429D8F@gmail.com> Message-ID: <62079B8A-4728-4304-ABB7-338C713A94F5@mac-access.net> Hello Dane On 6 Jun 2011, at 15:34, Dane Trethowan wrote: ?Yep, 9.5 to about 12 hours is what you should get, that's what I get anyway with my EEEPC and that's not using any of the power management functions of which there are a few. And remember that yours isn't a 64-bit processor as far as I know. But yes, it will be interesting to see how it goes now. But the difference in terms of functional operation is very very noticeable. ? One has to wonder just how long the battery lasts in the solid state versions of these machines, they were originally designed with solid state storage rather than hard drives. We're going to get one of those actually. We have a use for the SDD version. Lynne From martin at x.it.okstate.edu Mon Jun 6 16:20:45 2011 From: martin at x.it.okstate.edu (Martin McCormick) Date: Mon, 06 Jun 2011 10:20:45 -0500 Subject: Power consumption on a EEEPC Message-ID: <201106061520.p56FKjI0067437@x.it.okstate.edu> My laptop is several years old and runs Linux, actually Vinux and does that fairly well, so we are talking apples or actually the proper name Apples and Dells. Not sure what tree they grow on so the comparison is not important, but what happens is that the conventional laptop hard drive only runs when it needs to access files there. It will stay on for a while, anticipating more accesses, but eventually, the platter motor which you can barely hear, stops completely. This creates a certain latency on its own because when you do something to access more files, the drive is not usable until the platters have come back up to speed and the head un parks which does take a fraction of a second or so. What one notices is a slight lag in response time the first time you run a command but then more normal response time if you run several disk accesses in a row. You could probably set some variable to make the drive stay on all the time which would give you fast access every time, but would run that battery down very quickly. I bet a solid-state version of that same drive would both save battery life and provide much more responsiveness. The electronics that support the solid-state RAM and the memory, itself, that makes up the solid-state drive all draw power, but probably not as much as the drive motor to spin the platter and the electromagnetic assembly that moves the head stack in and out between the platters. "Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith" writes: > And remember that yours isn't a 64-bit processor as far as I know. But > yes, it will be interesting to see how it goes now. But the difference in > terms of functional operation is very very noticeable. From grtdane at internode.on.net Mon Jun 6 16:23:46 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2011 01:23:46 +1000 Subject: Power consumption on a EEEPC In-Reply-To: <201106061520.p56FKjI0067437@x.it.okstate.edu> References: <201106061520.p56FKjI0067437@x.it.okstate.edu> Message-ID: To be honest, the technical side of things doesn't really interest me in this discussion, the point of power consumption was mentioned and yep! this does interest me because 9 to 12 hours is quite a long time for a computer and the only things I know of in existence which last probably a bit longer are Iphones and Ipads and my Nokia N85 gives them all a good run for their money too! So given that we're talking 12 hours say, that's one hell of a lot better than your average notebook which may not even get 4 hours. On 07/06/2011, at 1:20 AM, Martin McCormick wrote: > My laptop is several years old and runs Linux, actually > Vinux and does that fairly well, so we are talking apples or > actually the proper name Apples and Dells. Not sure what tree > they grow on so the comparison is not important, but what > happens is that the conventional laptop hard drive only runs > when it needs to access files there. It will stay on for a > while, anticipating more accesses, but eventually, the platter > motor which you can barely hear, stops completely. > > This creates a certain latency on its own because when > you do something to access more files, the drive is not usable > until the platters have come back up to speed and the head > un parks which does take a fraction of a second or so. What one > notices is a slight lag in response time the first time you run > a command but then more normal response time if you run several > disk accesses in a row. > > You could probably set some variable to make the drive > stay on all the time which would give you fast access every > time, but would run that battery down very quickly. > > I bet a solid-state version of that same drive would > both save battery life and provide much more responsiveness. > > The electronics that support the solid-state RAM and the > memory, itself, that makes up the solid-state drive all draw > power, but probably not as much as the drive motor to spin the > platter and the electromagnetic assembly that moves the head > stack in and out between the platters. > "Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith" writes: >> And remember that yours isn't a 64-bit processor as far as I know. But >> yes, it will be interesting to see how it goes now. But the difference in >> terms of functional operation is very very noticeable. > _______________________________________________ > > The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free > > To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: > http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html > From lynne at mac-access.net Mon Jun 6 18:07:20 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2011 18:07:20 +0100 Subject: Power consumption on a EEEPC In-Reply-To: <201106061520.p56FKjI0067437@x.it.okstate.edu> References: <201106061520.p56FKjI0067437@x.it.okstate.edu> Message-ID: <2E4B8BFF-45EA-41A5-A9A2-97EEEA1075BF@mac-access.net> Hello Martin On 6 Jun 2011, at 16:20, Martin McCormick wrote: ? My laptop is several years old and runs Linux, actually Vinux and does that fairly well, so we are talking apples or actually the proper name Apples and Dells. Not sure what tree they grow on so the comparison is not important, but what happens is that the conventional laptop hard drive only runs when it needs to access files there. It will stay on for a while, anticipating more accesses, but eventually, the platter motor which you can barely hear, stops completely. Both Dane's and ours are Asus EeePC models; although they have different processors and use different architectures. Dane's is a single core processor I believe, whereas ours is the Atom N550 whic is dual core. Dane's uses DDR2 memory whereas ours uses DDR3. But that's not in any way saying anything against Dane's model; it's just that it only runs 32-bit software. As for LINUX, we might had liked to try that but the problem is that ours is one of those irritating systems whereby the protected OS is on the internal hard drive should you need to recover, rather than on a DVD, which it should be. Dane has the advantage there because his backup software is on DVD. I bought us a programme a while back called Image for Windows, (on Dane's recommendation). But I haven't had chance to install it yet. The thing I don't like about our system, and Gordon absolutely hates, is the fact that the drive is split into three partitions. One is the main programme and work area. The second is a blank, (presumably, for Data) partition. The third is where the recovery system lives. The thing we don't like about it is that if the hard drive gets a problem at the lowest level you lose everything. So yes; we are going to have to find a way to do a total backup Then, if it's usable, we might just be brave and zap the entire system and try Vinux. Lynne From lynne at mac-access.net Mon Jun 6 18:18:35 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2011 18:18:35 +0100 Subject: Power consumption on a EEEPC In-Reply-To: References: <201106061520.p56FKjI0067437@x.it.okstate.edu> Message-ID: <3C529A24-3311-4F24-B05D-E419B0D456BD@mac-access.net> Hello Dane Just one tongue in cheek question to start with; if the technical side of things doesn't interest you, why are you claiming to be a tech support person? And why are you on a Technology list? ;-) No I'm just joking, don't take that seriously. But the technical aspect of the discussion, to me at least as a non-technically cluewed-up person is quite educational. Martin, Gordon and others could probably talk for hours on the technical aspects of personal computing. But Nokia phones don't interest me in the slightest. Talks, from what I saw of it, is over-rated and is nearing the end of its life span. So, I would think, is the other screen-reader for that platform; Mobile Talk or something like that I think it is called. I think most people nowadays would want far more from their phones than the old Nokia phones can offer. Personally I don't use a mobile for much other than text messaging. I was fortunate enough to be able to pick up an iPhone 3GS for a bargain basement price from a friend of ours who has migrated to iPhone 4, just a couple of weeks ago. So Gordon and i now have our iPhones sharing contact data and other sync stuff with both Mobile Me and our computers. But going back to the laptops; I need to see this thing in serious action which, hopefully, I will later this evening. We started to do something last night; but stopped because of health problems with my other half. But we did notice the amazing difference in speed, even with the way it rendered a photograph and the way it loaded my album. Right, enough for now. But I'll be in a better position to continue this discussion later. As I said thoug; we do now plan to get one of the SDD based NetBooks in the not too distant future. Lynne From martin at x.it.okstate.edu Mon Jun 6 21:16:44 2011 From: martin at x.it.okstate.edu (Martin McCormick) Date: Mon, 06 Jun 2011 15:16:44 -0500 Subject: Thoughts on Linux Message-ID: <201106062016.p56KGixp069210@x.it.okstate.edu> "Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith" writes: > As for LINUX, we might had liked to try that but the problem is that ours > is one of those irritating systems whereby the protected OS is on the > internal hard drive should you need to recover, rather than on a DVD, > which it should be. Dane has the advantage there because his backup > software is on DVD. > Can your system boot from a USB drive? > I bought us a programme a while back called Image for Windows, (on Dane's > recommendation). But I haven't had chance to install it yet. The thing I > don't like about our system, and Gordon absolutely hates, is the fact > that the drive is split into three partitions. One is the main programme > and work area. The second is a blank, (presumably, for Data) partition. > The third is where the recovery system lives. The thing we don't like > about it is that if the hard drive gets a problem at the lowest level you > lose everything. So yes; we are going to have to find a way to do a total > backup Then, if it's usable, we might just be brave and zap the entire > system and try Vinux. You may not need to do anything that risky. Several of the Linux distributions such as vinux and ubuntu among many others, have so-called "live CD's" and live USB instances in which you can boot your computer in to the live CD or USB image and play around with Linux without actually changing one byte on your hard drive. So, you may ask, what does this have to do with the problem at hand? Linux lets you mount several different drive formats such as FAT32 and NTFS in full read/write mode. You can use applications such as rsync or dump and restore to backup Windows partitions to other disks such as thumb drives or actual disks. Here, I will go in to teacher mode as that was one thing I considered as a profession years ago. The idea when learning something new is to start out simple and take on more complex tasks as you master the first things. Otherwise, you will just get angry and frustrated and want to give up. I will suggest that you get on your Mac's terminal as it is a perfectly good Unix command-line interface, and get comfortable inside that environment. There are a bunch of good tutorials on the Bourne Shell and the "Bourne Again Shell" which is called bash. What you have on your Mac is a bash instance which is what you will have in a Linux environment. If you ever used MS-DOS in earlier days, bash is like DOS in which the stuff really works instead of teasing you with what might be possible if only. Have fun with it and try things that are not urgent. Fire fighters don't wait until a bad fire to learn what an oxygen pack is like because that's too late. They practice on a normal day when nothing else is happening so they know what to do when it really counts and one day, you will find yourself in a situation where it really counts and be glad you took off some time to just explore the possibilities. Unix came about by people who wanted to more efficiently manage large corporate and university systems so the wonders within were made just for you or millions like you. Since you are concerned about backups, concentrate on tar, rsync and a very old and respected Unix utility called dump and its companion, restore. Personally, these days, I would work on rsync and tar and get used to how they behave so you can use them correctly. See if the Vinux live CD will work on one of your systems and learn your way around it before trying to do anything risky such as mounting file systems. I think you will find that all the common Windows-style file systems can be backed up and managed well. For file names with spaces, you will need to put the file name in quotes to preserve the spaces, but let's not get too complicated yet. Please don't take anything as condescension as this is the farthest from my intention. I've been using Linux for about ten years and other versions of Unix for about ten more years and it was intimidating at first but that command line world is incredibly useful. Some of the most powerful utilities or applications are totally free of charge and they actually work. I get payed 75% of the cost of every full download of every version of Vinux, Linux and FreeBSD plus every other open Unix you can download. Just a bit of a smile, there. I will go home later today and work out by lifting all the gold bars I get from all those kickbacks.:-) From tsiegel at softcon.com Tue Jun 7 14:01:57 2011 From: tsiegel at softcon.com (Travis Siegel) Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2011 08:01:57 -0500 Subject: Power consumption on a EEEPC In-Reply-To: <3C529A24-3311-4F24-B05D-E419B0D456BD@mac-access.net> References: <201106061520.p56FKjI0067437@x.it.okstate.edu> <3C529A24-3311-4F24-B05D-E419B0D456BD@mac-access.net> Message-ID: One thing that has always puzzled me, and one I've never seen addressed by microsoft, (or anyone else for that matter) is: Why in the world would you put a solid state drive into a windows pc. Even when there's plenty of ram, windows swaps out unused parts of code anyhow, just to allow additional ram should any executing programs need it. In fact, the windows swap problem is so bad, that I have a couple machines where you can sit in front of it, and just listen to the hd writing, writing, writing, even when you're not doing anyything at the computer, and this will continue for several minutes after you've stopped using the computer. I'm not talking about 5 minutes, but more like 20. And this is a machine that has something like 4 gb of ram. Windows is notorious for hogging memory, disk space, and all other resources in a machine, and flash ram can take only so many writes before it's unusable. Windows with it's swapping in and out all the time has to use up this flash memory some order of magnitude faster than an os (say dos which does no swapping, or linux which does considerably less) Still, even though this is a concern, I've never once seen this sort of thing addressed by the manufacturers of either the machines or the oses that run on them. Can someone point me to some articles, sites, or other info discussing this issue direct from any ofthese companies? From martin at x.it.okstate.edu Tue Jun 7 14:50:22 2011 From: martin at x.it.okstate.edu (Martin McCormick) Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2011 08:50:22 -0500 Subject: Storage Technology (was Power consumption on a EEEPC ) Message-ID: <201106071350.p57DoMHW073630@x.it.okstate.edu> I have honestly never heard of a flash drive wearing out, but I have definitely heard of the potential for this happening due to the finite number of write cycles that reportedly exist for flash RAM. Modern drives are sort of a magic trick, anyway, in that there is a lot that happens inside that drive that even the computer running it doesn't ever see. I recently read that many solid-state drives, both the USB thumb drives and other styles of flash cards are almost impossible to erase because they contain logic that deliberately writes to new cells of RAM each time a write cycle occurs so that the wear is spread around equally. This means that if you have a 32-gigabyte drive and you wrote a 20-meg file and then re-wrote it, the new version of that file will occupy another 20 megabytes somewhere else and the previous write is untouched but neither your computer nor the operating system knows this because the mapping of cells to actual data is accomplished in the drive's on-board logic which keeps track, hopefully, of where everything really is. The bottom line is that you are right but it is not quite as bad as it seems with solid-state drives because there is circuitry built in to both the actual drive module and such things as the write-through cache in your computer that more or less disguise what is actually happening. I predict that solid-state drives will eventually replace all but the largest mechanical drives and it is even quite possible that, one day, all drives will be solid state because the plusses far outweigh the minuses. I just heard a few days ago of something called race track memory. It is a magnetic sort of drive, but nothing inside that drive moves except electrons and magnetic fields. That method of storage is still experimental, but it reportedly has a higher storage density than any other type of medium so one day, our solid-state flash drives may be as antiquated as 300-baud modems and tape cassette technology. From tsiegel at softcon.com Tue Jun 7 15:01:30 2011 From: tsiegel at softcon.com (Travis Siegel) Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2011 09:01:30 -0500 Subject: Storage Technology (was Power consumption on a EEEPC ) In-Reply-To: <201106071350.p57DoMHW073630@x.it.okstate.edu> References: <201106071350.p57DoMHW073630@x.it.okstate.edu> Message-ID: <3D5E323D-8C76-413F-A5AE-A2B13FCBA437@softcon.com> Ahh, thanks for that explanation. With logic in the drive to redirect data to most recently unused areas on the drive, this will definitely significantly extend the life of the drive to be sure. Glad to hear that. That makes me at least a little more comfortable with such things. I've had flash cards ware out on me, so I'm not very trusting of things that have limited write cycles being used in an environment which does nothing but write most of the time. Thanks for that little tidbit. From grtdane at internode.on.net Wed Jun 8 04:29:33 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2011 13:29:33 +1000 Subject: Article: Piracy fears cloud Apple launch | The Australian Message-ID: <4DEEEC9D.6050102@internode.on.net> It may be that we in Australia may never get to fully appreciate Apple's Icloud. From grtdane at internode.on.net Wed Jun 8 05:27:35 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2011 14:27:35 +1000 Subject: Video Format conversion to Quicktime Movie files Message-ID: <4DEEFA37.8040607@internode.on.net> HI! I convert my video MPG format files to Quicktime Movie files, for some reason Itunes doesn't recognise my MPG files but recognises Quicktime Movie files, I'm sure this hasn't always been the case so don't know what's going on there but I'll leave this aside for the time being. I convert to Quicktime Movie Files so that I may enjoy the content on my Apple TV, these files are added to my shared Itunes Library on the PC which I can access through the Apple TV. They sound nice I grant you but these conversions look a little odd apparently, when viewed there are blank portions of the screen either side so it seems obvious to me that I need to make some modifications to the conversion options. I look at the file size, about 900MB for about an hours worth of video so it seems based on this that my converter is converting to settings which may be optimised to Iphone, Ipad or similar, anyone got any ideas on what I should change? From marrie12 at gmail.com Wed Jun 8 16:55:26 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2011 08:55:26 -0700 Subject: Ultimate Ears 700 Noise-Isolating Earphones (dark silver) Message-ID: <7722A09A-A218-43DF-85D4-0A97030B15B1@gmail.com> sounds like it costs a lot but enjoy for those that like ear buds. lol! Ultimate Ears 700 Noise-Isolating Earphones (dark silver) With a sleek design, a range of ear tips, and supreme sound reproduction, the Ultimate Ears 700 headphones are worthy of an audiophile's ear and earn our recommendation. -------------- next part -------------- http://cnet.co/knixuj http://cnet.co/knixuj From marrie12 at gmail.com Thu Jun 9 05:10:46 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2011 21:10:46 -0700 Subject: Video Format conversion to Quicktime Movie files In-Reply-To: <4DEEFA37.8040607@internode.on.net> References: <4DEEFA37.8040607@internode.on.net> Message-ID: I don't know anything about this but change the screen resolution to what ever a tv would be. Someone help with that please? thanks. Sarah Alawami If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com website: http://music.marrie.org Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 On Jun 7, 2011, at 9:27 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote: > HI! > > I convert my video MPG format files to Quicktime Movie files, for some reason Itunes doesn't recognise my MPG files but recognises Quicktime Movie files, I'm sure this hasn't always been the case so don't know what's going on there but I'll leave this aside for the time being. > > I convert to Quicktime Movie Files so that I may enjoy the content on my Apple TV, these files are added to my shared Itunes Library on the PC which I can access through the Apple TV. > > They sound nice I grant you but these conversions look a little odd apparently, when viewed there are blank portions of the screen either side so it seems obvious to me that I need to make some modifications to the conversion options. > > I look at the file size, about 900MB for about an hours worth of video so it seems based on this that my converter is converting to settings which may be optimised to Iphone, Ipad or similar, anyone got any ideas on what I should change? > > > _______________________________________________ > > The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free > > To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: > http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html > From grtdane at internode.on.net Thu Jun 9 13:05:54 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2011 22:05:54 +1000 Subject: Banking Security, verification tokens Message-ID: Hi! Just been in touch with my bank, if ever I made a transfer or paid a bill I would verify this by responding to a SMS when logged onto the banks web site, type in the verification code. My phone isn't working at the moment so I rang the bank to find out if there were any alternative methods of verification available and it was suggested that I use a "Security Token", apparently the tokens now talk and read out the verification number to you so that's got me wondering how the hell do these things work? From moore.c at blueyonder.co.uk Thu Jun 9 14:26:47 2011 From: moore.c at blueyonder.co.uk (Chris Moore) Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2011 14:26:47 +0100 Subject: Banking Security, verification tokens In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Yeah Dane our banks over here use them. I have been using one for a year or so now (well the talking one anyway) and had the visual only one for about 2 years before that. Basically, you place your bank card in the machine, and you will be asked to press identify, respond or sign. Identify is the first of the three buttons and can be found in the top left corner. You press identify to log into your bank. After pressing the button you will be asked for your PIN number, this is the same number you use when at a ATM. Enter your PIN followed by the enter key to confirm. The machine will say PIN correct if you have entered the correct PIN and will then read out a 8 digit code which you then enter a secure field on your banks website. The machine is fully accessible and even has a headphone socket for privacy too, but also has a built in speaker with volume control. My bank automatically asks you to enter a code if you wish to pay someone new or transfer money outside of the UK. The only downside to the machine is that you have to have it with you when wanting to do online banking away from your home. Chris On 9 Jun 2011, at 13:05, Dane Trethowan wrote: > Hi! > > Just been in touch with my bank, if ever I made a transfer or paid a bill I would verify this by responding to a SMS when logged onto the banks web site, type in the verification code. > > My phone isn't working at the moment so I rang the bank to find out if there were any alternative methods of verification available and it was suggested that I use a "Security Token", apparently the tokens now talk and read out the verification number to you so that's got me wondering how the hell do these things work? > > > _______________________________________________ > > The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free > > To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: > http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html > From lynne at mac-access.net Thu Jun 9 16:37:05 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2011 16:37:05 +0100 Subject: Banking Security, verification tokens In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9A6BC1F9-7D73-4FDA-84A9-5C9C9ABAD20B@mac-access.net> Hello Chris This sounds very very interesting to me. So can I ask you which bank you're with and whether all banks here use or need these? Are these machines expensive and where can find out more about them as I'm interested for Gordon. Lynne On 9 Jun 2011, at 14:26, Chris Moore wrote: Yeah Dane our banks over here use them. I have been using one for a year or so now (well the talking one anyway) and had the visual only one for about 2 years before that. Basically, you place your bank card in the machine, and you will be asked to press identify, respond or sign. Identify is the first of the three buttons and can be found in the top left corner. You press identify to log into your bank. After pressing the button you will be asked for your PIN number, this is the same number you use when at a ATM. Enter your PIN followed by the enter key to confirm. The machine will say PIN correct if you have entered the correct PIN and will then read out a 8 digit code which you then enter a secure field on your banks website. The machine is fully accessible and even has a headphone socket for privacy too, but also has a built in speaker with volume control. My bank automatically asks you to enter a code if you wish to pay someone new or transfer money outside of the UK. The only downside to the machine is that you have to have it with you when wanting to do online banking away from your home. Chris On 9 Jun 2011, at 13:05, Dane Trethowan wrote: > Hi! > > Just been in touch with my bank, if ever I made a transfer or paid a bill I would verify this by responding to a SMS when logged onto the banks web site, type in the verification code. > > My phone isn't working at the moment so I rang the bank to find out if there were any alternative methods of verification available and it was suggested that I use a "Security Token", apparently the tokens now talk and read out the verification number to you so that's got me wondering how the hell do these things work? > > > _______________________________________________ > > The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free > > To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: > http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html > _______________________________________________ The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html From moore.c at blueyonder.co.uk Thu Jun 9 17:04:31 2011 From: moore.c at blueyonder.co.uk (Chris Moore) Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2011 17:04:31 +0100 Subject: Banking Security, verification tokens In-Reply-To: <9A6BC1F9-7D73-4FDA-84A9-5C9C9ABAD20B@mac-access.net> References: <9A6BC1F9-7D73-4FDA-84A9-5C9C9ABAD20B@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <6089D763-E9EB-4B1D-851D-1B5F8DA3B879@blueyonder.co.uk> Lynne, I am with Barclays and Which? magazine voted Barclays the most secure online banking site. The machine is called PINsentry and it is totally free to all customers. You just need to specifically ask for the blind friendly version (which sighted people can use too). Chris On 9 Jun 2011, at 16:37, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hello Chris > > This sounds very very interesting to me. So can I ask you which bank you're with and whether all banks here use or need these? Are these machines expensive and where can find out more about them as I'm interested for Gordon. > > Lynne > > On 9 Jun 2011, at 14:26, Chris Moore wrote: > > Yeah Dane our banks over here use them. I have been using one for a year or so now (well the talking one anyway) and had the visual only one for about 2 years before that. > > Basically, you place your bank card in the machine, and you will be asked to press identify, respond or sign. Identify is the first of the three buttons and can be found in the top left corner. You press identify to log into your bank. After pressing the button you will be asked for your PIN number, this is the same number you use when at a ATM. Enter your PIN followed by the enter key to confirm. The machine will say PIN correct if you have entered the correct PIN and will then read out a 8 digit code which you then enter a secure field on your banks website. The machine is fully accessible and even has a headphone socket for privacy too, but also has a built in speaker with volume control. My bank automatically asks you to enter a code if you wish to pay someone new or transfer money outside of the UK. > > The only downside to the machine is that you have to have it with you when wanting to do online banking away from your home. > > Chris > On 9 Jun 2011, at 13:05, Dane Trethowan wrote: > >> Hi! >> >> Just been in touch with my bank, if ever I made a transfer or paid a bill I would verify this by responding to a SMS when logged onto the banks web site, type in the verification code. >> >> My phone isn't working at the moment so I rang the bank to find out if there were any alternative methods of verification available and it was suggested that I use a "Security Token", apparently the tokens now talk and read out the verification number to you so that's got me wondering how the hell do these things work? >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free >> >> To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: >> http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html >> > > _______________________________________________ > > The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free > > To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: > http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html > > > _______________________________________________ > > The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free > > To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: > http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html > From gordon at mac-access.net Thu Jun 9 19:41:46 2011 From: gordon at mac-access.net (Gordon Smith) Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2011 19:41:46 +0100 Subject: Banking Security, verification tokens In-Reply-To: <6089D763-E9EB-4B1D-851D-1B5F8DA3B879@blueyonder.co.uk> References: <9A6BC1F9-7D73-4FDA-84A9-5C9C9ABAD20B@mac-access.net> <6089D763-E9EB-4B1D-851D-1B5F8DA3B879@blueyonder.co.uk> Message-ID: Chris Dp all banks support these? What exactly is the advantage? I am with he Halifax. Gordon On 9 Jun 2011, at 17:04, Chris Moore wrote: Lynne, I am with Barclays and Which? magazine voted Barclays the most secure online banking site. The machine is called PINsentry and it is totally free to all customers. You just need to specifically ask for the blind friendly version (which sighted people can use too). Chris On 9 Jun 2011, at 16:37, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hello Chris > > This sounds very very interesting to me. So can I ask you which bank you're with and whether all banks here use or need these? Are these machines expensive and where can find out more about them as I'm interested for Gordon. > > Lynne > > On 9 Jun 2011, at 14:26, Chris Moore wrote: > > Yeah Dane our banks over here use them. I have been using one for a year or so now (well the talking one anyway) and had the visual only one for about 2 years before that. > > Basically, you place your bank card in the machine, and you will be asked to press identify, respond or sign. Identify is the first of the three buttons and can be found in the top left corner. You press identify to log into your bank. After pressing the button you will be asked for your PIN number, this is the same number you use when at a ATM. Enter your PIN followed by the enter key to confirm. The machine will say PIN correct if you have entered the correct PIN and will then read out a 8 digit code which you then enter a secure field on your banks website. The machine is fully accessible and even has a headphone socket for privacy too, but also has a built in speaker with volume control. My bank automatically asks you to enter a code if you wish to pay someone new or transfer money outside of the UK. > > The only downside to the machine is that you have to have it with you when wanting to do online banking away from your home. > > Chris > On 9 Jun 2011, at 13:05, Dane Trethowan wrote: > >> Hi! >> >> Just been in touch with my bank, if ever I made a transfer or paid a bill I would verify this by responding to a SMS when logged onto the banks web site, type in the verification code. >> >> My phone isn't working at the moment so I rang the bank to find out if there were any alternative methods of verification available and it was suggested that I use a "Security Token", apparently the tokens now talk and read out the verification number to you so that's got me wondering how the hell do these things work? >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free >> >> To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: >> http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html >> > > _______________________________________________ > > The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free > > To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: > http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html > > > _______________________________________________ > > The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free > > To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: > http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html > _______________________________________________ The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html From moore.c at blueyonder.co.uk Thu Jun 9 21:27:26 2011 From: moore.c at blueyonder.co.uk (Chris Moore) Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2011 21:27:26 +0100 Subject: Banking Security, verification tokens In-Reply-To: References: <9A6BC1F9-7D73-4FDA-84A9-5C9C9ABAD20B@mac-access.net> <6089D763-E9EB-4B1D-851D-1B5F8DA3B879@blueyonder.co.uk> Message-ID: <14E0B840-45C3-485D-8326-A0687E574961@blueyonder.co.uk> No not all banks have rolled this out yet, I don't think any of the HBOS ones have yet, you will have to contact your bank and ask. The advantage is, if anyone managed to find out your password etc for your bank account or you forgot to sign out on a wi fi hotspot after being logged into your bank, the hacker would not get very far without the PINsentry system. Chris On 9 Jun 2011, at 19:41, Gordon Smith wrote: > Chris > > Dp all banks support these? What exactly is the advantage? I am with he Halifax. > > Gordon > > On 9 Jun 2011, at 17:04, Chris Moore wrote: > > Lynne, > > I am with Barclays and Which? magazine voted Barclays the most secure online banking site. The machine is called PINsentry and it is totally free to all customers. You just need to specifically ask for the blind friendly version (which sighted people can use too). > > Chris > On 9 Jun 2011, at 16:37, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > >> Hello Chris >> >> This sounds very very interesting to me. So can I ask you which bank you're with and whether all banks here use or need these? Are these machines expensive and where can find out more about them as I'm interested for Gordon. >> >> Lynne >> >> On 9 Jun 2011, at 14:26, Chris Moore wrote: >> >> Yeah Dane our banks over here use them. I have been using one for a year or so now (well the talking one anyway) and had the visual only one for about 2 years before that. >> >> Basically, you place your bank card in the machine, and you will be asked to press identify, respond or sign. Identify is the first of the three buttons and can be found in the top left corner. You press identify to log into your bank. After pressing the button you will be asked for your PIN number, this is the same number you use when at a ATM. Enter your PIN followed by the enter key to confirm. The machine will say PIN correct if you have entered the correct PIN and will then read out a 8 digit code which you then enter a secure field on your banks website. The machine is fully accessible and even has a headphone socket for privacy too, but also has a built in speaker with volume control. My bank automatically asks you to enter a code if you wish to pay someone new or transfer money outside of the UK. >> >> The only downside to the machine is that you have to have it with you when wanting to do online banking away from your home. >> >> Chris >> On 9 Jun 2011, at 13:05, Dane Trethowan wrote: >> >>> Hi! >>> >>> Just been in touch with my bank, if ever I made a transfer or paid a bill I would verify this by responding to a SMS when logged onto the banks web site, type in the verification code. >>> >>> My phone isn't working at the moment so I rang the bank to find out if there were any alternative methods of verification available and it was suggested that I use a "Security Token", apparently the tokens now talk and read out the verification number to you so that's got me wondering how the hell do these things work? >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free >>> >>> To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: >>> http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free >> >> To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: >> http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free >> >> To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: >> http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html >> > > _______________________________________________ > > The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free > > To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: > http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html > > > _______________________________________________ > > The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free > > To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: > http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html > From marrie12 at gmail.com Fri Jun 10 01:10:54 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2011 17:10:54 -0700 Subject: Banking Security, verification tokens In-Reply-To: <14E0B840-45C3-485D-8326-A0687E574961@blueyonder.co.uk> References: <9A6BC1F9-7D73-4FDA-84A9-5C9C9ABAD20B@mac-access.net> <6089D763-E9EB-4B1D-851D-1B5F8DA3B879@blueyonder.co.uk> <14E0B840-45C3-485D-8326-A0687E574961@blueyonder.co.uk> Message-ID: <0469840C-D0DE-45B8-9DF7-A83E8EF5C523@gmail.com> I've never heard of this in the us. Hmm interesting consept. Take czre. Sarah Alawami If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com website: http://music.marrie.org Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 On Jun 9, 2011, at 1:27 PM, Chris Moore wrote: > No not all banks have rolled this out yet, I don't think any of the HBOS ones have yet, you will have to contact your bank and ask. The advantage is, if anyone managed to find out your password etc for your bank account or you forgot to sign out on a wi fi hotspot after being logged into your bank, the hacker would not get very far without the PINsentry system. > > Chris > On 9 Jun 2011, at 19:41, Gordon Smith wrote: > >> Chris >> >> Dp all banks support these? What exactly is the advantage? I am with he Halifax. >> >> Gordon >> >> On 9 Jun 2011, at 17:04, Chris Moore wrote: >> >> Lynne, >> >> I am with Barclays and Which? magazine voted Barclays the most secure online banking site. The machine is called PINsentry and it is totally free to all customers. You just need to specifically ask for the blind friendly version (which sighted people can use too). >> >> Chris >> On 9 Jun 2011, at 16:37, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: >> >>> Hello Chris >>> >>> This sounds very very interesting to me. So can I ask you which bank you're with and whether all banks here use or need these? Are these machines expensive and where can find out more about them as I'm interested for Gordon. >>> >>> Lynne >>> >>> On 9 Jun 2011, at 14:26, Chris Moore wrote: >>> >>> Yeah Dane our banks over here use them. I have been using one for a year or so now (well the talking one anyway) and had the visual only one for about 2 years before that. >>> >>> Basically, you place your bank card in the machine, and you will be asked to press identify, respond or sign. Identify is the first of the three buttons and can be found in the top left corner. You press identify to log into your bank. After pressing the button you will be asked for your PIN number, this is the same number you use when at a ATM. Enter your PIN followed by the enter key to confirm. The machine will say PIN correct if you have entered the correct PIN and will then read out a 8 digit code which you then enter a secure field on your banks website. The machine is fully accessible and even has a headphone socket for privacy too, but also has a built in speaker with volume control. My bank automatically asks you to enter a code if you wish to pay someone new or transfer money outside of the UK. >>> >>> The only downside to the machine is that you have to have it with you when wanting to do online banking away from your home. >>> >>> Chris >>> On 9 Jun 2011, at 13:05, Dane Trethowan wrote: >>> >>>> Hi! >>>> >>>> Just been in touch with my bank, if ever I made a transfer or paid a bill I would verify this by responding to a SMS when logged onto the banks web site, type in the verification code. >>>> >>>> My phone isn't working at the moment so I rang the bank to find out if there were any alternative methods of verification available and it was suggested that I use a "Security Token", apparently the tokens now talk and read out the verification number to you so that's got me wondering how the hell do these things work? >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> >>>> The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free >>>> >>>> To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat >>>> >>>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: >>>> http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free >>> >>> To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: >>> http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free >>> >>> To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: >>> http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free >> >> To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: >> http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free >> >> To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: >> http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html >> > > _______________________________________________ > > The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free > > To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: > http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html > From grtdane at internode.on.net Fri Jun 10 06:53:36 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2011 15:53:36 +1000 Subject: Vipre Anti Virus and Anti Virus Premium now with a lifetime upgrade licence Message-ID: Subject line says it all and I have been wondering from quite some time how long it would be before an anti virus product offered a lifetime of upgrades for just one fee. There are 2 versions available apparently, a version for 1 computer or a version for all the computers in your home, this is a special offer till the end of June. From grtdane at internode.on.net Fri Jun 10 15:47:53 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2011 00:47:53 +1000 Subject: Siemens SL375 cordless phone Message-ID: <850DFA06-7A63-4ECE-A309-EAB860159068@internode.on.net> Hi! Just posted a mini review of this cordless phone system to my blog at From lynne at mac-access.net Sat Jun 11 17:23:59 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2011 17:23:59 +0100 Subject: Banking Security, verification tokens In-Reply-To: <14E0B840-45C3-485D-8326-A0687E574961@blueyonder.co.uk> References: <9A6BC1F9-7D73-4FDA-84A9-5C9C9ABAD20B@mac-access.net> <6089D763-E9EB-4B1D-851D-1B5F8DA3B879@blueyonder.co.uk> <14E0B840-45C3-485D-8326-A0687E574961@blueyonder.co.uk> Message-ID: <691DF4E0-880D-46D3-98DB-F8D998C969D8@mac-access.net> Hello Chris To be honest I'm puzzled as to what the advantage is. The Halifax security has had a major upgrade recently and I doubt Barclays is an stronger from what I have seen. I obviously can't log in; but halifax no longer just relies on a name and password. I also fail to see the point in this machine. Lynne On 9 Jun 2011, at 21:27, Chris Moore wrote: No not all banks have rolled this out yet, I don't think any of the HBOS ones have yet, you will have to contact your bank and ask. The advantage is, if anyone managed to find out your password etc for your bank account or you forgot to sign out on a wi fi hotspot after being logged into your bank, the hacker would not get very far without the PINsentry system. Chris On 9 Jun 2011, at 19:41, Gordon Smith wrote: > Chris > > Dp all banks support these? What exactly is the advantage? I am with he Halifax. > > Gordon > > On 9 Jun 2011, at 17:04, Chris Moore wrote: > > Lynne, > > I am with Barclays and Which? magazine voted Barclays the most secure online banking site. The machine is called PINsentry and it is totally free to all customers. You just need to specifically ask for the blind friendly version (which sighted people can use too). > > Chris > On 9 Jun 2011, at 16:37, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > >> Hello Chris >> >> This sounds very very interesting to me. So can I ask you which bank you're with and whether all banks here use or need these? Are these machines expensive and where can find out more about them as I'm interested for Gordon. >> >> Lynne >> >> On 9 Jun 2011, at 14:26, Chris Moore wrote: >> >> Yeah Dane our banks over here use them. I have been using one for a year or so now (well the talking one anyway) and had the visual only one for about 2 years before that. >> >> Basically, you place your bank card in the machine, and you will be asked to press identify, respond or sign. Identify is the first of the three buttons and can be found in the top left corner. You press identify to log into your bank. After pressing the button you will be asked for your PIN number, this is the same number you use when at a ATM. Enter your PIN followed by the enter key to confirm. The machine will say PIN correct if you have entered the correct PIN and will then read out a 8 digit code which you then enter a secure field on your banks website. The machine is fully accessible and even has a headphone socket for privacy too, but also has a built in speaker with volume control. My bank automatically asks you to enter a code if you wish to pay someone new or transfer money outside of the UK. >> >> The only downside to the machine is that you have to have it with you when wanting to do online banking away from your home. >> >> Chris >> On 9 Jun 2011, at 13:05, Dane Trethowan wrote: >> >>> Hi! >>> >>> Just been in touch with my bank, if ever I made a transfer or paid a bill I would verify this by responding to a SMS when logged onto the banks web site, type in the verification code. >>> >>> My phone isn't working at the moment so I rang the bank to find out if there were any alternative methods of verification available and it was suggested that I use a "Security Token", apparently the tokens now talk and read out the verification number to you so that's got me wondering how the hell do these things work? >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free >>> >>> To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: >>> http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free >> >> To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: >> http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free >> >> To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: >> http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html >> > > _______________________________________________ > > The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free > > To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: > http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html > > > _______________________________________________ > > The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free > > To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: > http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html > _______________________________________________ The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html From moore.c at blueyonder.co.uk Sat Jun 11 17:36:43 2011 From: moore.c at blueyonder.co.uk (Chris Moore) Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2011 17:36:43 +0100 Subject: Banking Security, verification tokens In-Reply-To: <691DF4E0-880D-46D3-98DB-F8D998C969D8@mac-access.net> References: <9A6BC1F9-7D73-4FDA-84A9-5C9C9ABAD20B@mac-access.net> <6089D763-E9EB-4B1D-851D-1B5F8DA3B879@blueyonder.co.uk> <14E0B840-45C3-485D-8326-A0687E574961@blueyonder.co.uk> <691DF4E0-880D-46D3-98DB-F8D998C969D8@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <77BCEDA0-3762-42D3-B0A4-0A11557B4F82@blueyonder.co.uk> Lynne, If you have a trojan on your computer or spyware. Some of them can monitor what you type and gain access to your bank, or copy your keychain or they could take over a session if you have not logged out, similar things can happen if you are on a shared Wi Fi public network. The external machine makes things more secure as it is not connected to your computer in anyway. Each time you log into your bank you are required to enter a different 8 digit PIN every time. Even if someone had been able to use my account if I had not signed out they would not get very far. As if they wanted to transfer money out of my account to an external one, they would still have to enter another PIN. For this reason Which? magazine gave Barclays the award and it is why other banks are now starting to use this technology in the same way government departments require the use of RSA tokens which change their PIN every 60 seconds for when logging on to secure networks remotely. This is how I log in from home, and my hard drive is encrypted to match the key too. On 11 Jun 2011, at 17:23, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hello Chris > > To be honest I'm puzzled as to what the advantage is. The Halifax security has had a major upgrade recently and I doubt Barclays is an stronger from what I have seen. I obviously can't log in; but halifax no longer just relies on a name and password. > > I also fail to see the point in this machine. > > Lynne > > On 9 Jun 2011, at 21:27, Chris Moore wrote: > > No not all banks have rolled this out yet, I don't think any of the HBOS ones have yet, you will have to contact your bank and ask. The advantage is, if anyone managed to find out your password etc for your bank account or you forgot to sign out on a wi fi hotspot after being logged into your bank, the hacker would not get very far without the PINsentry system. > > Chris > On 9 Jun 2011, at 19:41, Gordon Smith wrote: > >> Chris >> >> Dp all banks support these? What exactly is the advantage? I am with he Halifax. >> >> Gordon >> >> On 9 Jun 2011, at 17:04, Chris Moore wrote: >> >> Lynne, >> >> I am with Barclays and Which? magazine voted Barclays the most secure online banking site. The machine is called PINsentry and it is totally free to all customers. You just need to specifically ask for the blind friendly version (which sighted people can use too). >> >> Chris >> On 9 Jun 2011, at 16:37, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: >> >>> Hello Chris >>> >>> This sounds very very interesting to me. So can I ask you which bank you're with and whether all banks here use or need these? Are these machines expensive and where can find out more about them as I'm interested for Gordon. >>> >>> Lynne >>> >>> On 9 Jun 2011, at 14:26, Chris Moore wrote: >>> >>> Yeah Dane our banks over here use them. I have been using one for a year or so now (well the talking one anyway) and had the visual only one for about 2 years before that. >>> >>> Basically, you place your bank card in the machine, and you will be asked to press identify, respond or sign. Identify is the first of the three buttons and can be found in the top left corner. You press identify to log into your bank. After pressing the button you will be asked for your PIN number, this is the same number you use when at a ATM. Enter your PIN followed by the enter key to confirm. The machine will say PIN correct if you have entered the correct PIN and will then read out a 8 digit code which you then enter a secure field on your banks website. The machine is fully accessible and even has a headphone socket for privacy too, but also has a built in speaker with volume control. My bank automatically asks you to enter a code if you wish to pay someone new or transfer money outside of the UK. >>> >>> The only downside to the machine is that you have to have it with you when wanting to do online banking away from your home. >>> >>> Chris >>> On 9 Jun 2011, at 13:05, Dane Trethowan wrote: >>> >>>> Hi! >>>> >>>> Just been in touch with my bank, if ever I made a transfer or paid a bill I would verify this by responding to a SMS when logged onto the banks web site, type in the verification code. >>>> >>>> My phone isn't working at the moment so I rang the bank to find out if there were any alternative methods of verification available and it was suggested that I use a "Security Token", apparently the tokens now talk and read out the verification number to you so that's got me wondering how the hell do these things work? >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> >>>> The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free >>>> >>>> To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat >>>> >>>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: >>>> http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free >>> >>> To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: >>> http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free >>> >>> To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: >>> http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free >> >> To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: >> http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free >> >> To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: >> http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html >> > > _______________________________________________ > > The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free > > To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: > http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html > > > _______________________________________________ > > The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free > > To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: > http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html > From martin at x.it.okstate.edu Sat Jun 11 19:00:02 2011 From: martin at x.it.okstate.edu (Martin McCormick) Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2011 13:00:02 -0500 Subject: Banking Security, verification tokens Message-ID: <201106111800.p5BI0249002060@x.it.okstate.edu> This is called two-factor security. It is better than the normal password security because of those pseudo-random numbers generated every minute, but even that has its weak spot. Recently, RSA which is one of the companies who makes token devices and the matching software that knows what the random numbers should be had a security breach and the formula was stolen. This compromises that whole system since anybody who has the formula now knows all the codes. Even if RSA modifies the formula and the seed values that go in to it, all those key fobs out there are now useless since they have no way to reload themselves. One would want to know if the banking token machines were based on the algorithm that got stolen. If so, you still have to enter your own password first, so make it good. It's your best line of protection. "Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith" writes: > To be honest I'm puzzled as to what the advantage is. The Halifax > security has had a major upgrade recently and I doubt Barclays is an > stronger from what I have seen. I obviously can't log in; but halifax no > longer just relies on a name and password. > > I also fail to see the point in this machine. > > Lynne > > On 9 Jun 2011, at 21:27, Chris Moore wrote: > > No not all banks have rolled this out yet, I don't think any of the HBOS > ones have yet, you will have to contact your bank and ask. The advantage > is, if anyone managed to find out your password etc for your bank account > or you forgot to sign out on a wi fi hotspot after being logged into your > bank, the hacker would not get very far without the PINsentry system. > > Chris > On 9 Jun 2011, at 19:41, Gordon Smith wrote: > > > Chris > > > > Dp all banks support these? What exactly is the advantage? I am with > he Halifax. > > > > Gordon > > > > On 9 Jun 2011, at 17:04, Chris Moore wrote: > > > > Lynne, > > > > I am with Barclays and Which? magazine voted Barclays the most secure > online banking site. The machine is called PINsentry and it is totally > free to all customers. You just need to specifically ask for the blind > friendly version (which sighted people can use too). > > > > Chris > > On 9 Jun 2011, at 16:37, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > > > >> Hello Chris > >> > >> This sounds very very interesting to me. So can I ask you which bank > you're with and whether all banks here use or need these? Are these > machines expensive and where can find out more about them as I'm > interested for Gordon. > >> > >> Lynne > >> > >> On 9 Jun 2011, at 14:26, Chris Moore wrote: > >> > >> Yeah Dane our banks over here use them. I have been using one for a > year or so now (well the talking one anyway) and had the visual only one > for about 2 years before that. > >> > >> Basically, you place your bank card in the machine, and you will be > asked to press identify, respond or sign. Identify is the first of the > three buttons and can be found in the top left corner. You press > identify to log into your bank. After pressing the button you will be > asked for your PIN number, this is the same number you use when at a ATM. > Enter your PIN followed by the enter key to confirm. The machine will > say PIN correct if you have entered the correct PIN and will then read > out a 8 digit code which you then enter a secure field on your banks > website. The machine is fully accessible and even has a headphone socket > for privacy too, but also has a built in speaker with volume control. My > bank automatically asks you to enter a code if you wish to pay someone > new or transfer money outside of the UK. > >> > >> The only downside to the machine is that you have to have it with you > when wanting to do online banking away from your home. > >> > >> Chris > >> On 9 Jun 2011, at 13:05, Dane Trethowan wrote: > >> > >>> Hi! > >>> > >>> Just been in touch with my bank, if ever I made a transfer or paid a > bill I would verify this by responding to a SMS when logged onto the > banks web site, type in the verification code. > >>> > >>> My phone isn't working at the moment so I rang the bank to find out > if there were any alternative methods of verification available and it > was suggested that I use a "Security Token", apparently the tokens now > talk and read out the verification number to you so that's got me > wondering how the hell do these things work? > >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> > >>> The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, > virus and worm-free > >>> > >>> To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's > dedicated web pages located at > http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat > >>> > >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat > group since the 12th of April 2010, at: > >>> http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html > >>> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> > >> The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, > virus and worm-free > >> > >> To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's > dedicated web pages located at > http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat > >> > >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat > group since the 12th of April 2010, at: > >> http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> > >> The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, > virus and worm-free > >> > >> To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's > dedicated web pages located at > http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat > >> > >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat > group since the 12th of April 2010, at: > >> http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, > virus and worm-free > > > > To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated > web pages located at > http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat > > > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group > since the 12th of April 2010, at: > > http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, > virus and worm-free > > > > To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated > web pages located at > http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat > > > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group > since the 12th of April 2010, at: > > http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html > > > > _______________________________________________ > > The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, > virus and worm-free > > To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated > web pages located at > http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group > since the 12th of April 2010, at: > http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html > > > _______________________________________________ > > The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, > virus and worm-free > > To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated > web pages located at > http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group > since the 12th of April 2010, at: > http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html > > From lynne at mac-access.net Sat Jun 11 22:28:29 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2011 22:28:29 +0100 Subject: Thoughts on Linux; [Partial Response] In-Reply-To: <201106062016.p56KGixp069210@x.it.okstate.edu> References: <201106062016.p56KGixp069210@x.it.okstate.edu> Message-ID: <304FDA63-70AF-47BE-A830-52994B6E22D7@mac-access.net> Hello Martin On 6 Jun 2011, at 21:16, Martin McCormick wrote: ? Can your system boot from a USB drive? Yes, but it requires modification to the BIOS to enable that functionality I think. ? You may not need to do anything that risky. Several of the Linux distributions such as vinux and ubuntu among many others, have so-called "live CD's" and live USB instances in which you can boot your computer in to the live CD or USB image and play around with Linux without actually changing one byte on your hard drive. Problem Martin; this is a NetBook, hence, no CD. I'll save this message and reply to it when things calm down a bit here. Lynne From lynne at mac-access.net Sun Jun 12 00:51:30 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2011 00:51:30 +0100 Subject: Banking Security, verification tokens In-Reply-To: <77BCEDA0-3762-42D3-B0A4-0A11557B4F82@blueyonder.co.uk> References: <9A6BC1F9-7D73-4FDA-84A9-5C9C9ABAD20B@mac-access.net> <6089D763-E9EB-4B1D-851D-1B5F8DA3B879@blueyonder.co.uk> <14E0B840-45C3-485D-8326-A0687E574961@blueyonder.co.uk> <691DF4E0-880D-46D3-98DB-F8D998C969D8@mac-access.net> <77BCEDA0-3762-42D3-B0A4-0A11557B4F82@blueyonder.co.uk> Message-ID: Hello Chris Right; I see the point now, sorry about that. I must've been incredibly dim earlier. Lynne On 11 Jun 2011, at 17:36, Chris Moore wrote: Lynne, If you have a trojan on your computer or spyware. Some of them can monitor what you type and gain access to your bank, or copy your keychain or they could take over a session if you have not logged out, similar things can happen if you are on a shared Wi Fi public network. The external machine makes things more secure as it is not connected to your computer in anyway. Each time you log into your bank you are required to enter a different 8 digit PIN every time. Even if someone had been able to use my account if I had not signed out they would not get very far. As if they wanted to transfer money out of my account to an external one, they would still have to enter another PIN. For this reason Which? magazine gave Barclays the award and it is why other banks are now starting to use this technology in the same way government departments require the use of RSA tokens which change their PIN every 60 seconds for when logging on to secure networks remotely. This is how I log in from home, and my hard drive is encrypted to match the key too. On 11 Jun 2011, at 17:23, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hello Chris > > To be honest I'm puzzled as to what the advantage is. The Halifax security has had a major upgrade recently and I doubt Barclays is an stronger from what I have seen. I obviously can't log in; but halifax no longer just relies on a name and password. > > I also fail to see the point in this machine. > > Lynne > > On 9 Jun 2011, at 21:27, Chris Moore wrote: > > No not all banks have rolled this out yet, I don't think any of the HBOS ones have yet, you will have to contact your bank and ask. The advantage is, if anyone managed to find out your password etc for your bank account or you forgot to sign out on a wi fi hotspot after being logged into your bank, the hacker would not get very far without the PINsentry system. > > Chris > On 9 Jun 2011, at 19:41, Gordon Smith wrote: > >> Chris >> >> Dp all banks support these? What exactly is the advantage? I am with he Halifax. >> >> Gordon >> >> On 9 Jun 2011, at 17:04, Chris Moore wrote: >> >> Lynne, >> >> I am with Barclays and Which? magazine voted Barclays the most secure online banking site. The machine is called PINsentry and it is totally free to all customers. You just need to specifically ask for the blind friendly version (which sighted people can use too). >> >> Chris >> On 9 Jun 2011, at 16:37, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: >> >>> Hello Chris >>> >>> This sounds very very interesting to me. So can I ask you which bank you're with and whether all banks here use or need these? Are these machines expensive and where can find out more about them as I'm interested for Gordon. >>> >>> Lynne >>> >>> On 9 Jun 2011, at 14:26, Chris Moore wrote: >>> >>> Yeah Dane our banks over here use them. I have been using one for a year or so now (well the talking one anyway) and had the visual only one for about 2 years before that. >>> >>> Basically, you place your bank card in the machine, and you will be asked to press identify, respond or sign. Identify is the first of the three buttons and can be found in the top left corner. You press identify to log into your bank. After pressing the button you will be asked for your PIN number, this is the same number you use when at a ATM. Enter your PIN followed by the enter key to confirm. The machine will say PIN correct if you have entered the correct PIN and will then read out a 8 digit code which you then enter a secure field on your banks website. The machine is fully accessible and even has a headphone socket for privacy too, but also has a built in speaker with volume control. My bank automatically asks you to enter a code if you wish to pay someone new or transfer money outside of the UK. >>> >>> The only downside to the machine is that you have to have it with you when wanting to do online banking away from your home. >>> >>> Chris >>> On 9 Jun 2011, at 13:05, Dane Trethowan wrote: >>> >>>> Hi! >>>> >>>> Just been in touch with my bank, if ever I made a transfer or paid a bill I would verify this by responding to a SMS when logged onto the banks web site, type in the verification code. >>>> >>>> My phone isn't working at the moment so I rang the bank to find out if there were any alternative methods of verification available and it was suggested that I use a "Security Token", apparently the tokens now talk and read out the verification number to you so that's got me wondering how the hell do these things work? >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> >>>> The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free >>>> >>>> To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat >>>> >>>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: >>>> http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free >>> >>> To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: >>> http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free >>> >>> To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: >>> http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free >> >> To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: >> http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free >> >> To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: >> http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html >> > > _______________________________________________ > > The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free > > To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: > http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html > > > _______________________________________________ > > The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free > > To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: > http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html > _______________________________________________ The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html From martin at x.it.okstate.edu Mon Jun 13 12:30:41 2011 From: martin at x.it.okstate.edu (Martin McCormick) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2011 06:30:41 -0500 Subject: Thoughts on Linux; [Partial Response] Message-ID: <201106131130.p5DBUf9N010154@x.it.okstate.edu> "Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith" writes and quotes a question from me: > ? Can your system boot from a USB drive? > > Yes, but it requires modification to the BIOS to enable that > functionality I think. Okay. That's one small modification you would need to make to boot Linux. The distributions such as Vinux and ubuntu have a special image for a thumb drive plus instructions on how to load the thumb drive with the image. The Vinux distribution is probably the best one for you to try as it comes up talking. If it does not do this, something is wrong. I happen to own a 2005-vintage Pentium 4 system that is a beautiful desktop system, but it will absolutely not take any of the present crop of distributions I have tried. It comes up with all the right images on the screen according to Beverly and the messages that should be spoken are being printed on the screen, but there is no sound at all. A sighted user, not interested in speech would also have no sound as the problem is with the current Linux sound system. Yours may work fine, but some are having trouble. When you restart your system without the thumb drive, it should just reboot Windows as before as long as you didn't mount and write to any of the file systems while you were experimenting. Good luck and be cautious. I hope things allow you to begin learning Linux as it is yet another powerful tool you can use. From moore.c at blueyonder.co.uk Tue Jun 14 18:13:07 2011 From: moore.c at blueyonder.co.uk (Chris Moore) Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2011 18:13:07 +0100 Subject: Virgin Media Message-ID: Hello all, I am looking to hear from anyone who is blind and is a Virgin TV customer. I am in contact with a lawyer at the RNIB. The RNIB are keen to work along side Virgin Media to improve accessibility. So if anyone is interested they can contact me off list and provide me with some contact details to pass on or I can give you the name and email address of the lawyer if you would prefer to contact them direct. No time wasters please. Thanks Chris From lynne at mac-access.net Fri Jun 17 04:26:40 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2011 04:26:40 +0100 Subject: Thoughts on Linux; [Partial Response] In-Reply-To: <201106131130.p5DBUf9N010154@x.it.okstate.edu> References: <201106131130.p5DBUf9N010154@x.it.okstate.edu> Message-ID: Hello Martin; I am finally getting around to responding to this. On 13 Jun 2011, at 12:30, Martin McCormick wrote: ? Okay. That's one small modification you would need to make to boot Linux. The problem is that, from what I read in the manual, it would need to be changed back each time you boot from internal media. But Gordon thinks that's unlikely; so I'd better go and check that over again. ? The distributions such as Vinux and ubuntu have a special image for a thumb drive plus instructions on how to load the thumb drive with the image. I think we have one somewhere. But surely; wouldn't the operating system be more or less crippled without full read/write access? What about virtual memory? I am no expert and this may not be needed. But I don't know. We just upgraded the hardware specs of the machine as I outlined in another post the other day. It's made an amazing difference under yucky Windows 7; but whether it will help LINUX is another matter. You know, I still have a relatively old but hardly used Asus laptop which trashed Windows and its own recovery partition. I wish I could find a way to boot that on a CD and zap its hd as it has Vista on it anyway which I hate. ? The Vinux distribution is probably the best one for you to try as it comes up talking. If it does not do this, something is wrong. I happen to own a 2005-vintage Pentium 4 system that is a beautiful desktop system, but it will absolutely not take any of the present crop of distributions I have tried. It comes up with all the right images on the screen according to Beverly and the messages that should be spoken are being printed on the screen, but there is no sound at all. A sighted user, not interested in speech would also have no sound as the problem is with the current Linux sound system. Why can't you add an additional sound card or even something like an iMic? ? Yours may work fine, but some are having trouble. Nothing to lose ? When you restart your system without the thumb drive, it should just reboot Windows as before as long as you didn't mount and write to any of the file systems while you were experimenting. I just checked; we don't have any USB flash media at the moment. ? Good luck and be cautious. I hope things allow you to begin learning Linux as it is yet another powerful tool you can use. Gordon is keen; but we hope the voices are better than the crud that we discovered yesterday when installing NVDA. I have another post to write on that topic. Lynne From lynne at mac-access.net Fri Jun 17 04:31:42 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2011 04:31:42 +0100 Subject: Finally got around to installing NVDA under Windows 7; but? Message-ID: <117A6EF2-E02C-48B2-A4BA-235497D43480@mac-access.net> Hello everybody Yesterday afternoon Gordon and I finally got around to installing NVDA on our NetBook under Windows 7. We have a query. We have a lot of SAPI 4 and 5 voices on our system but the only one that NVDA will see is the Microsoft SAPI 5 and the dreadful disgusting nauseating pile of junk that installs by default with NVDA. To be utterly honest with you, Gordon says he'd rather not use NVDA than use either of those two disgusting excuses for voices. Is there any way we can make NVDA see the RealSpeak voices which are installed on our system? If not, that's the end of that plan. Lynne From grtdane at internode.on.net Fri Jun 17 09:49:59 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2011 18:49:59 +1000 Subject: Finally got around to installing NVDA under Windows 7; but? In-Reply-To: <117A6EF2-E02C-48B2-A4BA-235497D43480@mac-access.net> References: <117A6EF2-E02C-48B2-A4BA-235497D43480@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <4DFB1537.70502@internode.on.net> Course there is. Firstly however, NVDA would love! to give you better voices in the distribution however they're unable to due to current licencing conditions, the developer is currently in discussions with Nuance - think that's the name of the company - and things move very slowly. Okay, hold down the insert key and press n, that takes you into the NVDA menu, go from there into the preferences menu and things should be pretty straight forward from there. On 17/06/2011 1:31 PM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hello everybody > > Yesterday afternoon Gordon and I finally got around to installing NVDA on our NetBook under Windows 7. We have a query. We have a lot of SAPI 4 and 5 voices on our system but the only one that NVDA will see is the Microsoft SAPI 5 and the dreadful disgusting nauseating pile of junk that installs by default with NVDA. To be utterly honest with you, Gordon says he'd rather not use NVDA than use either of those two disgusting excuses for voices. Is there any way we can make NVDA see the RealSpeak voices which are installed on our system? If not, that's the end of that plan. > > Lynne > > _______________________________________________ > > The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free > > To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: > http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html > From lynne at mac-access.net Fri Jun 17 10:31:36 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2011 10:31:36 +0100 Subject: Finally got around to installing NVDA under Windows 7; but? In-Reply-To: <4DFB1537.70502@internode.on.net> References: <117A6EF2-E02C-48B2-A4BA-235497D43480@mac-access.net> <4DFB1537.70502@internode.on.net> Message-ID: <430CBFEF-1D55-4543-8446-DDF99DF8BE29@mac-access.net> Hello Dane You didn't answer the question, as we're not totally useless you know. :) Even we can work out that you have to go to the synthesisers menu in order to change the synthesiser! But the only two which are visible are the Microsoft SAPI 5 engine and the joke that they call a synthesiser which comes with NVDA. Oh, and yes; we have a pretty good idea of how licensing issues work, as my other half has been involved in the beta testing of accessibility software for a very long time. :) Actually; just out of convenience, we opted to use the caps lock key rather than the Insert key as the default modifier. Far more convenient on a portable keyboard I think. Lynne On 17 Jun 2011, at 09:49, Dane Trethowan wrote: Course there is. From grtdane at internode.on.net Fri Jun 17 11:06:02 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2011 20:06:02 +1000 Subject: Finally got around to installing NVDA under Windows 7; but? In-Reply-To: <430CBFEF-1D55-4543-8446-DDF99DF8BE29@mac-access.net> References: <117A6EF2-E02C-48B2-A4BA-235497D43480@mac-access.net> <4DFB1537.70502@internode.on.net> <430CBFEF-1D55-4543-8446-DDF99DF8BE29@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <6C10AF48-2FBC-49C3-8DDD-2C0D67273B1D@internode.on.net> Well if you look in the SAPI engine dialog there you'll see additional voices you can choose from if you have them installed. On 17/06/2011, at 7:31 PM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hello Dane > > You didn't answer the question, as we're not totally useless you know. :) Even we can work out that you have to go to the synthesisers menu in order to change the synthesiser! But the only two which are visible are the Microsoft SAPI 5 engine and the joke that they call a synthesiser which comes with NVDA. Oh, and yes; we have a pretty good idea of how licensing issues work, as my other half has been involved in the beta testing of accessibility software for a very long time. :) > > Actually; just out of convenience, we opted to use the caps lock key rather than the Insert key as the default modifier. Far more convenient on a portable keyboard I think. > > Lynne > > On 17 Jun 2011, at 09:49, Dane Trethowan wrote: > > Course there is. > > _______________________________________________ > > The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free > > To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: > http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html > From grtdane at internode.on.net Fri Jun 17 11:06:53 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2011 20:06:53 +1000 Subject: Finally got around to installing NVDA under Windows 7; but? In-Reply-To: <430CBFEF-1D55-4543-8446-DDF99DF8BE29@mac-access.net> References: <117A6EF2-E02C-48B2-A4BA-235497D43480@mac-access.net> <4DFB1537.70502@internode.on.net> <430CBFEF-1D55-4543-8446-DDF99DF8BE29@mac-access.net> Message-ID: As for the modifier key? Well my EEEPC has an insert and delete key at the far right of the keyboard on the top row so I didn't bother changing anything but each to their own. On 17/06/2011, at 7:31 PM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hello Dane > > You didn't answer the question, as we're not totally useless you know. :) Even we can work out that you have to go to the synthesisers menu in order to change the synthesiser! But the only two which are visible are the Microsoft SAPI 5 engine and the joke that they call a synthesiser which comes with NVDA. Oh, and yes; we have a pretty good idea of how licensing issues work, as my other half has been involved in the beta testing of accessibility software for a very long time. :) > > Actually; just out of convenience, we opted to use the caps lock key rather than the Insert key as the default modifier. Far more convenient on a portable keyboard I think. > > Lynne > > On 17 Jun 2011, at 09:49, Dane Trethowan wrote: > > Course there is. > > _______________________________________________ > > The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free > > To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: > http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html > From lynne at mac-access.net Fri Jun 17 13:11:20 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2011 13:11:20 +0100 Subject: Finally got around to installing NVDA under Windows 7; but? In-Reply-To: <6C10AF48-2FBC-49C3-8DDD-2C0D67273B1D@internode.on.net> References: <117A6EF2-E02C-48B2-A4BA-235497D43480@mac-access.net> <4DFB1537.70502@internode.on.net> <430CBFEF-1D55-4543-8446-DDF99DF8BE29@mac-access.net> <6C10AF48-2FBC-49C3-8DDD-2C0D67273B1D@internode.on.net> Message-ID: <65F1630A-8B97-41DB-8A51-3440B0246652@mac-access.net> Hello Dane On 17 Jun 2011, at 11:06, Dane Trethowan wrote: Well if you look in the SAPI engine dialog there you'll see additional voices you can choose from if you have them installed. That's just it, they are installed as they work under WE. They are not WE specific synths but NVDA isn't showing them at all. If we can't get them visible then we're going to remove NVDA and maybe try again because to be honest with that awful default voice it's not usable for Gordon as he can't tolerate that voice. Lynne From lynne at mac-access.net Fri Jun 17 13:13:01 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2011 13:13:01 +0100 Subject: Finally got around to installing NVDA under Windows 7; but? In-Reply-To: References: <117A6EF2-E02C-48B2-A4BA-235497D43480@mac-access.net> <4DFB1537.70502@internode.on.net> <430CBFEF-1D55-4543-8446-DDF99DF8BE29@mac-access.net> Message-ID: Hello Dane On 17 Jun 2011, at 11:06, Dane Trethowan wrote: ? As for the modifier key? Well my EEEPC has an insert and delete key at the far right of the keyboard on the top row so I didn't bother changing anything but each to their own. So does ours but you use your right index finger for the letter N so it's easier. Lynne From grtdane at internode.on.net Fri Jun 17 16:32:28 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2011 01:32:28 +1000 Subject: Finally got around to installing NVDA under Windows 7; but? In-Reply-To: <65F1630A-8B97-41DB-8A51-3440B0246652@mac-access.net> References: <117A6EF2-E02C-48B2-A4BA-235497D43480@mac-access.net> <4DFB1537.70502@internode.on.net> <430CBFEF-1D55-4543-8446-DDF99DF8BE29@mac-access.net> <6C10AF48-2FBC-49C3-8DDD-2C0D67273B1D@internode.on.net> <65F1630A-8B97-41DB-8A51-3440B0246652@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <1A133353-B5AB-40DF-A162-C10BB8B8CC92@internode.on.net> Okay, go into NVDA'S preferences and take a look under "Voice Settings" and not "Synthesiser Settings", what do you see? On 17/06/2011, at 10:11 PM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hello Dane > > On 17 Jun 2011, at 11:06, Dane Trethowan wrote: > > Well if you look in the SAPI engine dialog there you'll see additional voices you can choose from if you have them installed. > > That's just it, they are installed as they work under WE. They are not WE specific synths but NVDA isn't showing them at all. If we can't get them visible then we're going to remove NVDA and maybe try again because to be honest with that awful default voice it's not usable for Gordon as he can't tolerate that voice. > > Lynne > > _______________________________________________ > > The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free > > To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: > http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html > From grtdane at internode.on.net Fri Jun 17 16:34:07 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2011 01:34:07 +1000 Subject: Finally got around to installing NVDA under Windows 7; but? In-Reply-To: References: <117A6EF2-E02C-48B2-A4BA-235497D43480@mac-access.net> <4DFB1537.70502@internode.on.net> <430CBFEF-1D55-4543-8446-DDF99DF8BE29@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <6ED521B6-8935-44B1-87A2-355D85D9C08A@internode.on.net> As I said, whatever's convenient and at least you can change that. I may think about using the caps lock key myself, whilst I'm used to using the insert key it is a bit small and in a hurry? Well can be hard to find. I'm also going to look at a bluetooth keyboard for my machine. On 17/06/2011, at 10:13 PM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hello Dane > > On 17 Jun 2011, at 11:06, Dane Trethowan wrote: > > ? As for the modifier key? Well my EEEPC has an insert and delete key at the far right of the keyboard on the top row so I didn't bother changing anything but each to their own. > > So does ours but you use your right index finger for the letter N so it's easier. > > Lynne > > _______________________________________________ > > The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free > > To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: > http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html > From lynne at mac-access.net Fri Jun 17 19:35:40 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2011 19:35:40 +0100 Subject: Finally got around to installing NVDA under Windows 7; but? In-Reply-To: <1A133353-B5AB-40DF-A162-C10BB8B8CC92@internode.on.net> References: <117A6EF2-E02C-48B2-A4BA-235497D43480@mac-access.net> <4DFB1537.70502@internode.on.net> <430CBFEF-1D55-4543-8446-DDF99DF8BE29@mac-access.net> <6C10AF48-2FBC-49C3-8DDD-2C0D67273B1D@internode.on.net> <65F1630A-8B97-41DB-8A51-3440B0246652@mac-access.net> <1A133353-B5AB-40DF-A162-C10BB8B8CC92@internode.on.net> Message-ID: Hello Dane On 17 Jun 2011, at 16:32, Dane Trethowan wrote: ? Okay, go into NVDA'S preferences and take a look under "Voice Settings" and not "Synthesiser Settings", what do you see? I'll do this tomorrow and let you know. But I thought I would respond in case anybody thought me ignorant. :) Lynne From marrie12 at gmail.com Fri Jun 17 20:22:44 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2011 12:22:44 -0700 Subject: powersquids Message-ID: <15F8E418-40EA-4943-9C64-2B5C50016177@gmail.com> Hello to all. where can I get power squids that won't break my pocket book? I use a lot of wall worts and I don't want to get a power strip as that will limit me. so I'm thinking power squids for my equipment. Thanks and be blessed. Sarah Alawami If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com website: http://music.marrie.org Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 From martin at x.it.okstate.edu Sat Jun 18 14:31:44 2011 From: martin at x.it.okstate.edu (Martin McCormick) Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2011 08:31:44 -0500 Subject: Thoughts on Linux; [Partial Response] Message-ID: <201106181331.p5IDVi4w078577@x.it.okstate.edu> I'll interleave my responses. "Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith" writes: > Hello Martin; I am finally getting around to responding to this. > > On 13 Jun 2011, at 12:30, Martin McCormick wrote: > > ? Okay. That's one small modification you would need to make to > boot Linux. > > The problem is that, from what I read in the manual, it would need to be > changed back each time you boot from internal media. But Gordon thinks > that's unlikely; so I'd better go and check that over again. On most other systems the boot sequence tries each boot source until it finds something alive. If you have a conventional P.C or a Mac, the boot ROM may try the CDROM first and, finding nothing, might try a floppy drive if not a Mac, and then may try a USB port and then the hard drive. The other devices quickly show whether or not they have bootable media in them so this sequence doesn't take more than a few seconds. If you don't have something bootable, you won't be in any trouble. > ? The distributions such as Vinux and ubuntu have a > special image for a thumb drive plus instructions on how to load > the thumb drive with the image. > > I think we have one somewhere. But surely; wouldn't the operating system > be more or less crippled without full read/write access? What about > virtual memory? I am no expert and this may not be needed. But I don't > know. We just upgraded the hardware specs of the machine as I outlined in > another post the other day. It's made an amazing difference under yucky > Windows 7; but whether it will help LINUX is another matter. It will help Linux, but you don't get something for nothing. Those live distributions live off of the RAM on your system so they appear to write files and let you deal with data, etc, but you don't have much memory for all these things. The high-level languages such as C, C++, etc, have routines that gulp down memory in a virtual way so that it doesn't matter where it comes from such as whether it comes from your RAM or swap space on a disk. When you boot one of those live CD's or CDROM's, it comes from your RAM supply and that's it. When that is exhausted, the show is over. So you get to see what life would be like running Linux and you could even mount external media such as other thumb drives and read and write to them, but as long as you don't mount any of the media on the actual computer, and write to it, it all goes away as soon as you exit the live instance of Linux. > You know, I still have a relatively old but hardly used Asus laptop which > trashed Windows and its own recovery partition. I wish I could find a way > to boot that on a CD and zap its hd as it has Vista on it anyway which I > hate. It sounds like it already made the decision for you:.-) That would be a great candidate for a Live CD test as you have nothing to loose but time and it might just work. Again, you do have reduced resources depending on how much core memory or RAM you have available so expect commands to run slowly and to hear a ton of CDROM activity each time you run a command. Basically, if it works but is slow, that is to be expected from a live CD setup. If it halts or you don't get sound or something's wrong with the video, it probably wouldn't work any better if you installed the OS and ran it from the true hard drive. The live distributions accomplish two things. You get to test-drive Linux without destroying what it presently on your computer keeping in mind it will be slow and limited by RAM. The other thing they do is let you know as soon as you boot them up whether there is any chance at all that they might work. > Why can't you add an additional sound card or even something like an iMic? An excellent question and I promise to be as brief as I can. There is no technical reason at all why you can't but all the device drivers under Windows are either written by Microsoft and are proprietary or they are written by other companies using proprietary information licensed from Microsoft. Since Linux and other open source Unixen can't use the proprietary software, every piece of code has to either be independently developed based on reverse engineering or essentially donated to the cause by companies who release enough information to allow programmers to build open-source drivers. Generally, the open-source drivers are excellent but you do run in to unsupported devices such as USB sound cards and similar gadgets that are either too new to have Linux drivers or the manufacturers will not release Linux support. Basically, Linux device drivers tend to be a little later to the game, but solid after an initial period of dodgy performance. The USB support in Linux around the early half of this decade was frustrating, for example. The mass storage driver which one uses for thumb drives, cameras and anything else that looks like an external drive worked but it would crash every so often and trash the file system on the device. It is now solid as a rock and supports many more devices than it used to. > I just checked; we don't have any USB flash media at the moment. > > ? Good luck and be cautious. I hope things allow you to > begin learning Linux as it is yet another powerful tool you can > use. > > Gordon is keen; but we hope the voices are better than the crud that we > discovered yesterday when installing NVDA. I have another post to write > on that topic. The voices are better than they used to be but don't expect Alex, just yet. The present Vinux distribution has several voices and modes of operation and the real power of it in the command-line interface which is what I would suggest you concentrate on the most. You already have access to the GUI on the Mac and on Windows. Under Orca, you can reportedly use firefox which is a real plus and is accessible, but the voice is Espeak and I personally did not like it. I truly like the Linux command-line terminal using the speakup synth. The voice is not perfect, but I can tolerate it and this sort of command-line terminal is unlike anything else you have, even on the Mac as it can take bursty output without making you want to break steel bars with your bare hands out of frustration. I am sorry for the length this post has grown to, but I hope I have given you useful information as only you best know what you want and all I can do is make suggestions. This isn't a case of my toy is best, but more like, I think you'd like this toy, also. From lynne at mac-access.net Sun Jun 19 10:23:30 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2011 10:23:30 +0100 Subject: Keyspan Serial to USB adapter Message-ID: <260A159C-2EE2-44B5-8416-18701D6BF800@mac-access.net> hello everybody I have a Keyspan serial to USB adapter but I'm starting to think its faulty because it won't talk to our Index Braille embosser. Is there any way I can actually test this adapter? We've had it a couple of years and not once has it ever worked. I'm happy to test under Windows or mac. Actually I wish we could Braille on the mac; it would make life so much easier. Lynne From martin at x.it.okstate.edu Sun Jun 19 13:56:34 2011 From: martin at x.it.okstate.edu (Martin McCormick) Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2011 07:56:34 -0500 Subject: Keyspan Serial to USB adapter Message-ID: <201106191256.p5JCuYeq083860@x.it.okstate.edu> "Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith" writes: > I have a Keyspan serial to USB adapter but I'm starting to think its > faulty because it won't talk to our Index Braille embosser. Is there any > way I can actually test this adapter? We've had it a couple of years and > not once has it ever worked. I'm happy to test under Windows or mac. > Actually I wish we could Braille on the mac; it would make life so much > easier. Lynn, Do you happen to have an old dial-up modem lying around gathering dust and cobwebs? If you do, power it up and connect your USB converter to it under whichever OS you want to test with and see if it answers commands such as AT which should give a reply of OK or garbage if you have the baud rate wrong and it can't autoconfigure. You can also hook two conputers together with a null-modem serial cable and bring up the terminal program and type back and forth to see if your key strokes show up on the other machine. If you do that, you won't see your own key strokes echoed unless you tell it to do so because echo is usually from the remote system. Finally, if you have a loopback RS-232 plug, you could try that. That is just a RS-232 plug that has nothing attached to it but has the transmit and receive lines tied together and DTS/RTS tied together so that you can send data dnd see your sent data come back to you in the terminal as if local echo was on. Those are the easiest ways to test serial ports. From lynne at mac-access.net Mon Jun 20 08:30:59 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 08:30:59 +0100 Subject: Keyspan Serial to USB adapter In-Reply-To: <201106191256.p5JCuYeq083860@x.it.okstate.edu> References: <201106191256.p5JCuYeq083860@x.it.okstate.edu> Message-ID: Hello Martin I should first say that we're not at home just now. Using our systems via our VPN. On 19 Jun 2011, at 13:56, Martin McCormick wrote: ? Do you happen to have an old dial-up modem lying around gathering dust and cobwebs? No, definitely not. We also cannot do the two computers together as we have no PC with a serial port. Lynne From grtdane at internode.on.net Mon Jun 20 18:57:31 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2011 03:57:31 +1000 Subject: Airfoil For Windows 3 Beta Message-ID: <4DFF8A0B.2040901@internode.on.net> Hi! If you're a registered Airfoil For Windows user then you're able to test the new Beta version. I'm testing it now and it sems to work very nicely though it could be made more accessible and I encourage others to test the beta and get back to the developers with feedback. The Mac version has a very useful menu on the menu bar called the "Transmit" menu, from here you can select the target to stream to and you can also use shortcuts, I'd like to see something similar added to the Windows version of Airfoil but so far the developers seem rather relectant to do this for whatever reason, they haven't been forthcoming with one hello everybody Is there anybody on list who would be wiling to do Gordon a favour? he's trying to contact a friend of his and we don't want to join Facebook ourselves. So we wondered if somebody could possible try and fine her and pass on his email address please, as she doesn't have his new one and we don't have hers. Thanks. Lynne, relaxing in luxury in a five-star hotel in London SW. From mstores at indiana.edu Tue Jun 21 22:10:44 2011 From: mstores at indiana.edu (Mary Stores) Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2011 17:10:44 -0400 Subject: Anybody on Facebook willing to do Gordon a favour? In-Reply-To: <2931CDF0-3F80-4E3B-B4EA-7233CC8FDAF0@mac-access.net> References: <2931CDF0-3F80-4E3B-B4EA-7233CC8FDAF0@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <20110621171044.7e8j3sju4gw8cg0s@webmail.iu.edu> Hi Lynne, I'd be willing to help. I'm on FB every day. Mary Quoting "Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith" : > hello everybody > > Is there anybody on list who would be wiling to do Gordon a favour? > he's trying to contact a friend of his and we don't want to join > Facebook ourselves. So we wondered if somebody could possible try and > fine her and pass on his email address please, as she doesn't have > his new one and we don't have hers. > > Thanks. > > Lynne, relaxing in luxury in a five-star hotel in London SW. > > > _______________________________________________ > > The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, > virus and worm-free > > To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's > dedicated web pages located at > http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat > group since the 12th of April 2010, at: > http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html > > From lynne at mac-access.net Sat Jun 25 23:58:31 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2011 23:58:31 +0100 Subject: Zoom H1 Message-ID: Hello everybody Can somebody remind me which formats the H1 will play? Lynne From grtdane at internode.on.net Sun Jun 26 00:58:27 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2011 09:58:27 +1000 Subject: Zoom H1 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0DA33151-6533-48E7-AC51-FA27C0075D51@internode.on.net> To my knowledge over Wave and MP3 but as I recall they have to be named a certain way or the Zoom will skip right over them. On 26/06/2011, at 8:58 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hello everybody > > Can somebody remind me which formats the H1 will play? > > Lynne > > > _______________________________________________ > > The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free > > To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: > http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html > From grtdane at internode.on.net Sun Jun 26 06:37:27 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2011 15:37:27 +1000 Subject: Firefox v5 for Windows Message-ID: <4E06C597.80304@internode.on.net> Hi! Has anyone tried this yet? Apparently its a complete rewrite. You thought Google Chrome was fast? Well take a look at this! The most accessible browser on the planet just got even more accessible, faster and better. Firefox 5 is certainly more stable than 4, I had 4 crash here quite a number of times on various Windows machines. From lynne at mac-access.net Sun Jun 26 10:35:41 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2011 10:35:41 +0100 Subject: Zoom H1 In-Reply-To: <0DA33151-6533-48E7-AC51-FA27C0075D51@internode.on.net> References: <0DA33151-6533-48E7-AC51-FA27C0075D51@internode.on.net> Message-ID: <6D390998-988B-40ED-989F-662AD4119CCA@mac-access.net> Hello Dane & all On 26 Jun 2011, at 00:58, Dane Trethowan wrote: ? To my knowledge over Wave and MP3 but as I recall they have to be named a certain way or the Zoom will skip right over them. OK, thanks. I'll forget that idea then. I thought perhaps Gordon might be able to use it while in hospital to play some audio books. But it's not worth the hassle. Thanks. Lynne From marrie12 at gmail.com Sun Jun 26 19:41:59 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2011 11:41:59 -0700 Subject: Firefox v5 for Windows In-Reply-To: <4E06C597.80304@internode.on.net> References: <4E06C597.80304@internode.on.net> Message-ID: Hmm I'll run my ninite installer and see if it updates. I'll give it a try and report bak. On Jun 25, 2011, at 10:37 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote: > Hi! > > Has anyone tried this yet? Apparently its a complete rewrite. > > You thought Google Chrome was fast? Well take a look at this! The most accessible browser on the planet just got even more accessible, faster and better. > > Firefox 5 is certainly more stable than 4, I had 4 crash here quite a number of times on various Windows machines. > > > _______________________________________________ > > The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free > > To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group since the 12th of April 2010, at: > http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html > Sarah Alawami If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com website: http://music.marrie.org Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125